ICYMI: The 3 Stages Of Relationships, And How To Move From Enmeshment To Differentiation To Interdependence, with Baya Voce

26 Oct 2026 · 13 min · S6 E401

Episode ICYMI: The 3 Stages Of Relationships, And How To Move From Enmeshment To Differentiation To Interdependence, with Baya Voce

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Are you deep in the infatuation stage? Or is your relationship stuck in the power struggle of trying to change each other, trying to protect your independence, or falling into an avoidant-pursuer dynamic? It turns out, we all have to go through that phase. Welcome to today’s ICYMI, where we kick off the week with a quick game-changing tip from an episode that you might have missed.

We're throwing it back to invaluable advice from renowned relationship repair expert Baya Voce, MSW, on how to move through the three stages of relationships to land in the healthy spaciousness of interdependence. We talk about the journey from infatuation, to power struggle, to disillusionment, to interdependence, with proven tools and insights for transforming conflict into deeper connection.

If you’re in love, want love, or care about love, this is the guide we all need for working towards interdependence, and creating love that lasts.

With an MSW from Columbia University, Baya specializes in couples counselling and MDMA-assisted couples therapy research, and is supervised by Esther Perel. Her work has been featured in a TED Talk, on Vice, Forbes, MTV, and ABC, and her videos on everything from boundaries, to using AI for therapy, to navigating jealousy, have been viewed by millions.

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