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422: ‘A Monkey on a Rock’, With Stephen Hackett
· 2 h 15 min
Episode 422: ‘A Monkey on a Rock’, With Stephen Hackett
Stephen Hackett, proprietor of 512 Pixels and co-founder of Relay (purveyor of many fine podcasts), joins the show. Topics include: IO (or if you will, io), the new joint venture of OpenAI and Jony Ive’s LoveFrom; the sheer fantasy of “Made in America” iPhones; and Fortnite’s return to the US App Store.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
• Apple in China, Patrick’s spectacular new book. • Patrick on The Daily Show With Jon Stewart. • Excerpt from the book in the Sunday Times of London. • Millions, Billions, Zillions, Brian Kernighan’s fun little book on practical day-to-day math.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Links in the notes 8
- https://www.relay.fm/
- https://workos.com/
- https://betterhelp.com/talkshow
- https://squarespace.com/talkshow
- https://bookshop.org/a/56320/9781668053379
- https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/05/22/mcgee-daily-show
- https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/technology/article/how-apple-helped-china-become-americas-biggest-tech-rival-8f83tttv5
- https://www.amazon.com/Millions-Billions-Zillions-Defending-Yourself/dp/0691182779/?tag=df-amzn-20
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