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Anthropic’s Bet on Coding Is Working (OpenAI Shopping Pivot, A16Z’s Top 50 List, $1B Tennis Channel)

13 Mar 2026 · 59 min

It’s an AI-heavy episode with real stakes: Jessica digs into OpenAI’s evolving approach to shopping and why “closing the loop” on commerce could be the proving ground for consumer monetization. The group sparrs over charts: OpenAI vs. Anthropic annualized revenue, what “slope” investors actually care about, and whether Anthropic’s developer-first strategy (code, tokens, and high ARPU) is the smarter path than consumer mindshare.Sam argues that “intelligence” is heading toward a global, frictionless commodity market (bad for margins, great for usage) and introduces the idea of “dark pools” (proprietary access/data/relationships) as the only durable moat. Dave counters with the more optimistic take: AI is collapsing the line between “consumer” and “developer,” turning everyone into a builder, and launching a new creative medium (with examples spanning from software to film). Brit adds fuel with “nano-targeted” commerce and a tour through A16Z’s Top 50 GenAI web products list, highlighting both mainstream shifts and the internet’s… more ‘unexpected’ categories.Finally: a truly out-of-left-field deal pitch from Jess: should someone buy the Tennis Channel for ~$1B? Plus a rapid-fire pop culture close (Kelce’s return, Oscars bets, and what everyone’s watching) before Sam heads back to the sauna.

Chapters:

0:00 — Intro & Sam's Sauna Hat

1:33 — First-Ever MOL Podcast Ad

3:54 — ChatGPT's Shopping Pivot

7:19 — The Chart: OpenAI vs Anthropic Revenue

11:52 — The Slope: Linear or Super Linear?

16:10 — Commerce Is Bad. Attention Is Good.

19:04 — AI Is Turning Everyone Into a Builder

20:15 — "$1B Raised, $900M spent on Inference"

23:17 — AI Is Worse Than the Cable Business

35:58 — Dark Pools: Death of the Open Marketplace

40:45 — The P50 Problem: What Happens to Average People?

42:38 — "Software Is Totally Commoditized"

45:43 — Brit's Bot Corner: Anime Husband Chatbots

50:44 — Should You Buy the Tennis Channel for $1B?

54:22 — Pop Culture Corner

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