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Is ChatGPT Conscious? A Pioneer of AI Explains | Dr. Terry Sejnowski

28 May 2026 · 57 min · Episode 349

A fly with 100,000 neurons can fly, find food, and reproduce. A $100 million supercomputer cannot. Dr. Terry Sejnowski used that observation to silence a room full of MIT AI researchers in the 1980s, and it remains just as sharp today. Sejnowski is one of the foundational figures in the history of deep learning, co-inventor of the Boltzmann machine, and a professor at the Salk Institute who has spent his career studying both the brain and the machines we build to imitate it. In this conversation with Craig Smith, he turns that dual perspective on ChatGPT, and what he finds is something genuinely clarifying: not a human mind, not a threat to humanity, but an alien intelligence that has absorbed more knowledge than any brain ever could while remaining fundamentally empty when nobody is talking to it.

The conversation covers the full landscape of what current AI is missing - from goals and reinforcement learning to the constant self-generated flow of thought that defines consciousness - and why the word "understanding" is so ambiguous that even the world's top cognitive scientists can't agree on whether ChatGPT has it. Sejnowski also makes the case that hallucinations aren't a flaw to be engineered away but the flip side of creativity itself, that we are in a pre-Copernican era when it comes to understanding intelligence, and that the real future of AI lies not in scaling language models further but in looking at what nature has already solved, from field mice to fruit flies. His new book is written for the general public and available now.

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