Podcasts · The Inspire Podcast

S5 E11 - How to Work With (Almost) Anyone with Michael Bungay Stanier

24 Jul 2023 · 44 min

All our working relationships tend to focus on WHAT we want to do together -- what deals to close, what processes to improve, what products to build -- yet we invest comparatively little time in HOW to do that work together. In his new book the incomparable Michael Bungay Stanier argues we're doing it all wrong, and should instead focus on the foundations of working relationships. In a far ranging discussion with Bart, Michael explains that every relationship may not be perfect, but they are always worth pushing for the best possible version that you can have. Using a "keystone conversation" concept Michael explains how to begin the discussion so you can have safe, vital and repairable relationships.

Pre-order Michael's latest book, How to Work with (Almost) Anyone here: https://www.mbs.works/how-to-work-with-almost-anyone/

00:21 Show Introduction 00:58 Introducing Michael 01:12 1.2Million in sales of The Coaching Habit 01:29 What is it like to sell a million+ copies of a book? 02:33 Introducing the new book 02:57 What led you to write this new book? 03:04 Work gets done through people 03:50 Social contracting 04:56 Asking the question: What will help us work well together? 05:18 Why don't people have these conversations? 05:40 The urgency of work 06:22 Not many role models to look to 07:25 Bart talks about why he thinks people don't do these conversations 08:46 Who do you have these conversations with? 09:32 Start with key relationships 12:25 Don't be stupid and open up too much at the wrong times 12:36 Good giving and bad giving 13:05 Calibrate the conversations based on the context 13:55 The bad relationships 15:07 Idealism v pragmatism 15:38 Working through how to do it - example of new job 16:29 The Keystone conversation 16:50 5 Questions that help 17:06 The amplify question 17:25 What are your practices and preferences 19:34 The bad date and good date questions 21:41 How do we repair this when it goes wrong? 22:59 How do you think this podcast is going? 25:12 What needs to be said, that hasn't already been said? 28:13 Parting ways gracefully 29:04 How to adapt these conversations to larger organizations 30:22 Is it worth having this conversation? 30:44 Passive resistance is the hardest thing to manage 32:10 What needs to be true for this to be real? 38:00 How to use these techniques upwards with your manager 40:09 GenZ retention issues 40:53 Thank yous 41:11 How to find out more about this

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