# Lighter Darker Ep 006: Ultraman Rising with Shannon Tindle and Hayden Jones

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Director Shannon Tindle (Kubo and the Two Strings, Lost Ollie) and VFX supervisor Hayden Jones join us to discuss the role of empathy in animation. We talk about Tindle’s latest film, Ultraman: Rising as well as the importance of collaboration and infusing personal experiences into characters and storytelling.

Chapter Markers \[00:00:00\] Intro \[00:03:20\] Rejection Letters \[00:11:25\] Deleted Dreams \[00:17:46\] Empathy in Animation \[00:45:52\] The Martini \[00:50:33\] Outro

The Martini Shannon - Hollow Kingdom #1 - Kira Jane Buxton

Hayden - Thames & Hudson USA - Book - Anime Architecture: Imagined Worlds and Endless Megacities

Jenny - Luigi's Mansion 2 - HD

Rob - Welcome to Wrexham (TV Series 2022– ) - IMDb

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- What it is: Full episode
- Series: [Lighter Darker](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/library/rights-holders/series/186073a4d615)
- Previous episode: [Lighter Darker | The ILM Podcast Ep 005: Ghostbusters II with Bill George](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/watch/rights-holders/hz08xBmjip4)
- Next episode: [Lighter Darker | Ep 007: Glicked: Worldbuilding in Wicked and Gladiator II](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/watch/rights-holders/1ppkdAu41Ls)
- Length: 52 min
- Rights holder: [Lucasfilm Ltd](https://www.ilm.com/) (its site links the channel: https://www.ilm.com/)
- Channel: [Industrial Light & Magic](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjnYk44Aj9E634TPucpIXnQ)
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