# Burrow's fatal flaw. Tom Brady's bizarre behavior, Michael Vick to Virginia Tech? | 0917

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 17 Sep 2025, 1 h 02 min.

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Charles McDonald of Yahoo Sports joins Bomani Jones. First, they discuss Joe Burrow's injury and whether his aggressive play style is potentially to blame. Later, they react to Tom Brady's weird post-career decision to be both an NFL broadcaster and part-owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. They also discuss the potential ban on the Tush-push and the possibility of Michael Vick becoming the next coach at Virginia Tech. 00:00 - Introduction 01:20 - Falcons take down Vikings 06:00 - Remember when Dak Prescott got his ass whipped? 09:00 - Is Joe Burrow to blame for his continued injuries? 32:20 - Tom Brady has too many jobs 49:25 - Michael Vick to Virginia Tech? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:10] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:20] Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
[0:22] Speaker 1: have a guest joining us. Check him out at Yahoo Sports.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Charles McDonald, what's going on?
[0:29] Speaker 2: Nothing much. Good to be here, especially coming off a big,
[0:33] Speaker 2: national TV Falcons win this weekend, you know, beating down
[0:36] Speaker 2: on that Minnesota Vikings. So I think this is the
[0:38] Speaker 2: first time that I've had something positive to say about
[0:40] Speaker 2: the Falcons around you. So that was a nice way
[0:43] Speaker 2: to cap the weekend off.
[0:44] Speaker 1: We're going to get to that. The first point I'm
[0:45] Speaker 1: going to make is I'm going to do everything I can.
[0:47] Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't have to come up too much anymore.
[0:49] Speaker 1: I'm going to call you Charles McDonald and not Charles
[0:50] Speaker 1: Robinson because I'm totally the guy at this point in
[0:53] Speaker 1: my life where I'm playing the neighborhood play on all
[0:55] Speaker 1: these names. Poor Justin Jefferson. I call him his brother's
[0:58] Speaker 1: name like I'm his mama. You know what I'm saying?
[1:01] Speaker 1: Those of you who don't understand me calling Justin Jefferson
[1:05] Speaker 1: Jordan Jefferson, clearly if you are a man, you don't
[1:08] Speaker 1: have a brother because this is just how it works
[1:10] Speaker 1: from time to time. If it's two of y'all, Y'all
[1:13] Speaker 1: going to get called by the other night. I will
[1:16] Speaker 1: say right fast about the Falcons. I was watching the
[1:19] Speaker 1: game against the Vikings, and I had to text you,
[1:22] Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, Falcons is out here looking
[1:25] Speaker 1: like Bama, dog. They was out here jumping routes. They
[1:28] Speaker 1: was getting heat.
[1:31] Speaker 2: And I'm looking like, Vikings, y'all okay? Because, look, I
[1:35] Speaker 2: know they spent a lot on this defense, right? Three
[1:38] Speaker 2: first-round picks on two rookie edge rushers because they traded
[1:41] Speaker 2: up for James Pierce. Then they added Xavier Watson and
[1:45] Speaker 2: Billy Bowman on day two of the draft to play
[1:48] Speaker 2: safety and then nickel for them. So you took one
[1:51] Speaker 2: of the worst defenses in football last year, and you
[1:53] Speaker 2: added four rookies and Devine Diablo, who's like a dirty
[1:56] Speaker 2: man linebacker kind of guy from the Raiders. Shouldn't be
[1:59] Speaker 2: whipping you all that bad. I'm a little excited about
[2:04] Speaker 2: where they are after that game, but if I was
[2:06] Speaker 2: a Vikings fan, I'd be freaking out because– Their backup
[2:10] Speaker 2: offensive linemen in there who are for Derrissaw and Ryan Kelly,
[2:13] Speaker 2: the center, they can't get it done. J.J. McCarthy clearly
[2:16] Speaker 2: is not ready to get it done when the circumstances
[2:20] Speaker 2: are not perfect around him. So that's a red alert
[2:23] Speaker 2: for the Vikings to me more than it really is
[2:24] Speaker 2: like a big cheering on for the Falcons.
[2:27] Speaker 1: Yo, I think it could get really weird for them.
[2:29] Speaker 1: McCarthy is now hurt. Maybe you know off the top
[2:33] Speaker 1: of your head who that means is going to be
[2:35] Speaker 1: the quarterback.
[2:36] Speaker 2: Carson Wentz.
[2:37] Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. I did see Prince Harry on the sideline.
[2:42] Speaker 1: That's right.
[2:43] Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
[2:44] Speaker 1: He started. I don't think I fully realized how much
[2:46] Speaker 1: Carson Wentz looked like Prince Harry until I saw him
[2:49] Speaker 1: on the sideline of that game. And I was like,
[2:50] Speaker 1: what's Prince Harry doing there? And I was like, damn,
[2:52] Speaker 1: wait a minute. Is that Carson Wentz?
[2:55] Speaker 2: I saw something. He's about to break a record for
[2:58] Speaker 2: most consecutive seasons starting a game for a different team.
[3:02] Speaker 2: I think he's about to hit six teams in six seasons.
[3:05] Speaker 2: since that Eagles template. Honestly, you could have told me
[3:07] Speaker 2: that he hasn't played since Jalen Hurts took his job,
[3:10] Speaker 2: and I would also believe that too.
[3:11] Speaker 1: Okay, so he has played for the Eagles. He has
[3:16] Speaker 1: played for the Chiefs. He has played for the Colts.
[3:22] Speaker 1: He is now playing for the Vikings. Who are the
[3:26] Speaker 1: other two?
[3:28] Speaker 2: The Commanders is one.
[3:30] Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
[3:30] Speaker 2: That did happen. Was he in the Rams like the
[3:34] Speaker 2: zombie year when they had Baker and stuff like that? Yes,
[3:37] Speaker 2: he was.
[3:37] Speaker 1: He was. Yes, he was. Yo, so what's wild about
[3:40] Speaker 1: this is I never thought he was terrible. Like, he
[3:46] Speaker 1: is a clear example of what happens when people don't
[3:48] Speaker 1: like you that much. Because you can figure this out
[3:51] Speaker 1: in some other way. Like, I mean... He lost his
[3:54] Speaker 1: job to Jalen Hurts. By the way, he should have
[3:57] Speaker 1: lost his job to Jalen Hurts. But Jalen Hurts is
[4:01] Speaker 1: get the job and keep it guy. Not I ran
[4:04] Speaker 1: you off your corner guy. Right. He ran him off.
[4:08] Speaker 1: In fact, wasn't that part of what we were thinking?
[4:10] Speaker 1: Is that part of what got Doug Peterson fired? Was
[4:13] Speaker 1: that he was like, no, no, no. We're going with
[4:15] Speaker 1: this dude. And they was like, what are you, crazy?
[4:17] Speaker 1: And then look what happened.
[4:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it really is fascinating, though, because, dude,
[4:23] Speaker 2: I remember– Well, shoot, I mean, I was about to say,
[4:25] Speaker 2: it feels like the other day, but this is what,
[4:27] Speaker 2: eight years ago now when people are doing the Wentz
[4:29] Speaker 2: versus Dak wars. And, uh, uh, like Carson got a
[4:33] Speaker 2: big contract extension. Like that was market rate at the time.
[4:37] Speaker 2: Like you said, he wasn't bad, but the thing is
[4:39] Speaker 2: like his body just died on him. Cause he was
[4:41] Speaker 2: such a, he was a powerhouse, like athlete, uh, big
[4:44] Speaker 2: arm fast, but you know, not the most like, uh,
[4:48] Speaker 2: I guess detailed guy sometimes between the numbers because he
[4:51] Speaker 2: Like that last season he had, that was huge. They
[4:53] Speaker 2: were really only good on third down, but shoot, that's
[4:56] Speaker 2: enough to lead an offense that can get you somewhere
[4:58] Speaker 2: close to the Super Bowl. And then all the injuries happen.
[5:00] Speaker 2: And then people was like, eh, only tolerated you because
[5:03] Speaker 2: you had the big arm and you're running four or five.
[5:05] Speaker 2: Now that you're not doing that no more, you might
[5:07] Speaker 2: got to get out of here.
[5:09] Speaker 1: All-time weird quarterback draft 2016. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz are
[5:14] Speaker 1: the top two picks. A gentleman that some of you
[5:17] Speaker 1: may remember, but probably don't. Paxton Lynch, the first round
[5:21] Speaker 1: pick to Stephen Jones, had to save Jerry from taking,
[5:24] Speaker 1: who was out of the league in like 30, 45 minutes.
[5:28] Speaker 1: I can't even remember exactly.
[5:29] Speaker 2: I don't even think he had 150 passing attempts in
[5:32] Speaker 2: the NFL.
[5:33] Speaker 1: Yo, hold on. I forgot who else was in this draft.
[5:35] Speaker 1: Christian Hackenberg.
[5:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Connor Cook. I forgot. But the guy, the
[5:40] Speaker 1: guy who turned out to be the guy. Dak Prescott
[5:45] Speaker 1: fourth round pick hold on Jacoby Brissett was a third
[5:48] Speaker 1: round pick in that draft Cody Kessler was a third
[5:50] Speaker 1: round pick in that draft then we get to Connor
[5:52] Speaker 1: Cook and yeah Dak Prescott who I I have tried
[5:58] Speaker 1: to figure out for a long time how it is
[6:00] Speaker 1: that he slipped that far in the draft like two-time
[6:02] Speaker 1: first team all SEC quarterback had the size has the
[6:06] Speaker 1: physical tools and I think it just really came down
[6:09] Speaker 1: to one thing. And some of you are going to
[6:11] Speaker 1: say he caught a DUI and that's part of it.
[6:14] Speaker 1: But you know what it was.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Which is funny because he's got the temperament that they like,
[6:18] Speaker 2: you know.
[6:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:20] Speaker 2: But that that that. Hold on.
[6:22] Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on. For those of you who don't
[6:24] Speaker 1: know the thing that I'm talking about. These white boys
[6:27] Speaker 1: whooped his ass at Panama City Beach during spring break
[6:30] Speaker 1: one time, but it was caught on video. I mean,
[6:32] Speaker 1: they whooped his ass. And I feel like it was
[6:36] Speaker 1: the fair one, though. I don't want to say they
[6:37] Speaker 1: whooped his ass like he got jumped. He squared up
[6:40] Speaker 1: and just got his ass kicked, and you just had
[6:41] Speaker 1: to decide whether that was a man that you could
[6:43] Speaker 1: follow into battle.
[6:46] Speaker 2: Which is fair, because I swear, someone brings up that
[6:49] Speaker 2: video to me at least twice a year, and that
[6:51] Speaker 2: happened 10 years ago, dog. It was a legendary ass whooping,
[6:55] Speaker 2: but The Dak Prescott pick is fascinating to me because
[6:59] Speaker 2: it was kind of like they just said, eh, okay,
[7:01] Speaker 2: I guess we'll do it. Because for those who don't
[7:03] Speaker 2: remember with the draft that year, that was the last
[7:05] Speaker 2: year that teams weren't allowed to trade their compensatory picks.
[7:10] Speaker 2: If you have a free agent who signs somewhere to
[7:13] Speaker 2: another team, the following year you get a pick. So
[7:16] Speaker 2: the Cowboys, they had this fourth round compensatory pick that
[7:18] Speaker 2: they couldn't trade. So they tried to get Paxton Lynch,
[7:21] Speaker 2: couldn't do it. They tried to trade for Connor Cook.
[7:23] Speaker 2: Couldn't do it. So they're sitting here with this fourth
[7:25] Speaker 2: round pick that they can't trade. They need a backup
[7:27] Speaker 2: for Tony Romo. They're like, all right, let's just take
[7:30] Speaker 2: Dak Prescott. He's the last one.
[7:33] Speaker 1: And he took his job. Also, they had, everybody says
[7:35] Speaker 1: the greatest thing to have is a young quarterback that's
[7:38] Speaker 1: good on a cost control contract. And they had that.
[7:41] Speaker 1: And Dak Prescott was like, enough of that. I'm the
[7:47] Speaker 1: new Kirk Cousins. I'm getting every dime of surplus. And
[7:51] Speaker 1: shout out to Ryan. for letting us know it was
[7:55] Speaker 1: at a Waka Flocka Flame concert that Dak Prescott got
[8:00] Speaker 1: tuned up by those Caucasians.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Not at the Waka concert. You can fight at the
[8:05] Speaker 2: Waka concert, but you can't get beat up by white
[8:07] Speaker 2: people at.
[8:07] Speaker 1: The Waka concert. I guess that means that Dak ain't
[8:10] Speaker 1: got no hands.
[8:13] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
[8:18] Speaker 1: You get it?
[8:18] Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.
[8:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:20] Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard that song before. Yeah. I'm 31. That's
[8:25] Speaker 2: very much my era. You know?
[8:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[8:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:28] Speaker 2: Fair.
[8:29] Speaker 1: It's wild to think how old that song is now. But,
[8:31] Speaker 1: you know, I just had to throw it out there.
[8:33] Speaker 1: No hands. But we got to there because we talked
[8:37] Speaker 1: about J.J. McCarthy being hurt. And it's already week three.
[8:40] Speaker 1: And we got a lot to talk about with quarterbacks
[8:43] Speaker 1: being hurt. It looks like Jaden Daniels might not play
[8:47] Speaker 1: in week three. Joe Burrow looks like he won't play
[8:53] Speaker 1: in 2025. We got Brock Purdy. He looks like he's
[8:58] Speaker 1: going to be out for a minute. I've seen a
[9:01] Speaker 1: few people try to hypothesize exactly why it is that
[9:04] Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks are getting hurt. I don't have the
[9:07] Speaker 1: answer for that right there. I do think the Joe
[9:10] Speaker 1: Burrow one is interesting because Joe Burrow, and I'm curious
[9:14] Speaker 1: what you think about this. You are somebody that knows
[9:16] Speaker 1: more actual football than I do. What I remember the
[9:20] Speaker 1: first time I saw like the 2019 LSU Joe Burrow,
[9:25] Speaker 1: I watched him play one series early in the season
[9:28] Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay. If they beat Alabama,
[9:33] Speaker 1: they're going to win the national championship and he's going
[9:36] Speaker 1: to be um the number one pick in the draft
[9:39] Speaker 1: he's going to win the Heisman and what I saw
[9:41] Speaker 1: was a dude that moved really well in the pocket
[9:45] Speaker 1: like not running fast but he dropped back he move
[9:49] Speaker 1: up he go to the side he keep his eyes
[9:51] Speaker 1: down the field he do all of those things and
[9:54] Speaker 1: he get it done but that is also a more
[9:58] Speaker 1: positive end of one of the more damning characteristics of
[10:02] Speaker 1: quarterback and have which is takes too long to throw
[10:06] Speaker 1: right He holds the ball for a long time. He
[10:09] Speaker 1: gets great results in holding the ball for a long time, right?
[10:12] Speaker 1: He can overcome it. And normally you need to be
[10:14] Speaker 1: like a Cam Newton, huge physical specimen to be the
[10:18] Speaker 1: guy that overcomes holding the ball for that long. No,
[10:20] Speaker 1: Joe Burrow does it by getting it done just in
[10:23] Speaker 1: time and being willing to get the dog shit knocked
[10:25] Speaker 1: out of him in the process. And this is going
[10:27] Speaker 1: to shock you. but he misses a lot of games. Now,
[10:30] Speaker 1: I've seen people who blame the Bengals for not investing
[10:33] Speaker 1: in the offensive line, which is a fair point somewhat, right?
[10:37] Speaker 1: It does take us back to one of the great dilemmas.
[10:40] Speaker 1: The Lions and the Bengals in the same season in
[10:42] Speaker 1: the first round took probable Hall of Famers in Jamar
[10:45] Speaker 1: Chase and Panay Sewell. And no matter how good Jamar
[10:48] Speaker 1: Chase is, It's always been fair to ask if they
[10:50] Speaker 1: took the wrong guy, just because Joe Burrow keeps getting
[10:52] Speaker 1: knocked around. But the point I want to make, and
[10:55] Speaker 1: it's a point that if you listen to this show,
[10:56] Speaker 1: you know I make all the time, sacks are a
[10:58] Speaker 1: quarterback's stat. He takes a lot of sacks, and he'll
[11:02] Speaker 1: do that if he is playing behind an eight-man offensive line,
[11:04] Speaker 1: because he's always going to be back there waiting. But
[11:08] Speaker 1: I also don't know how much they put around him. Like,
[11:11] Speaker 1: is this just going to be what it is, you think,
[11:13] Speaker 1: with him?
[11:14] Speaker 2: I think this is probably just what it is with
[11:16] Speaker 2: him for the future.
[11:17] Speaker 1: I mean.
[11:19] Speaker 2: The thing with Joe is, like, he's tried the I'm
[11:23] Speaker 2: not going to drop back there and get beat up
[11:27] Speaker 2: when it was early last season and then I think
[11:29] Speaker 2: part of the season before when he was coming off
[11:30] Speaker 2: the wrist injury. It doesn't work for him. You know,
[11:34] Speaker 2: he turns into, like, this ultra conservative throwing for three
[11:37] Speaker 2: yards a pass. It just doesn't fit with his play style,
[11:40] Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting because it's not like he has, like,
[11:43] Speaker 2: the big arm. He's just got, like, good arm talent,
[11:47] Speaker 2: I guess, where you can just kind of put it
[11:48] Speaker 2: in spots where he needs to, but, uh, like that
[11:51] Speaker 2: lack of like high end physical talent. Like there's a
[11:54] Speaker 2: reason why like Lamar and Josh Allen can play like that.
[11:56] Speaker 2: They don't, they don't really miss games, you know, because
[11:59] Speaker 2: they've got the talent to get away from those hits
[12:01] Speaker 2: and not take the big hits. But Joe, when it
[12:03] Speaker 2: gets to sit in duck mode and he's waiting that
[12:05] Speaker 2: one last second for Jamar chase to hit, like the,
[12:08] Speaker 2: to pass that second defender window. So we can go
[12:10] Speaker 2: off for a seven yard touchdown. That's when he's getting crushed.
[12:12] Speaker 2: And especially when they got the backup offensive lineman in, uh, who's, uh,
[12:17] Speaker 2: They got torched by Jacksonville in the first half. I
[12:20] Speaker 2: just think this is probably always what it's going to be,
[12:22] Speaker 2: but it's not like you can get rid of that.
[12:25] Speaker 2: As long as you can just mitigate some of the
[12:26] Speaker 2: damage up front and just keep spamming picks to the
[12:29] Speaker 2: offensive line and hope those guys stay healthy, it's about
[12:32] Speaker 2: all you can do because I don't really know where
[12:33] Speaker 2: else you would go from here.
[12:35] Speaker 1: This is, to me, the interesting Joe Burrow question, and
[12:39] Speaker 1: I say this as a guy who enjoys Joe Burrow.
[12:43] Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is all good with me. I like his get-downs.
[12:46] Speaker 1: I like the way he plays. I just want to
[12:49] Speaker 1: point out that I have never seen Joe Burrow be
[12:55] Speaker 1: successful without excellent talent to get the ball to, right?
[13:05] Speaker 1: It's not his fault that he has excellent talent, and
[13:08] Speaker 1: I'm not sure that everybody could do as well as
[13:12] Speaker 1: he can with the excellent talent that we're discussing, but Look, man,
[13:16] Speaker 1: it is entirely possible that we'll look back at 2019
[13:19] Speaker 1: LSU as having three Hall of Famers on offense, a quarterback,
[13:24] Speaker 1: and two wide receivers. It almost looks like a foregone conclusion.
[13:28] Speaker 1: Imagine if somebody in the NFL was throwing to Jamar
[13:31] Speaker 1: Chase and Justin Jefferson, who, if I'm not mistaken, might
[13:34] Speaker 1: have even been the number three receiver on that team, right?
[13:37] Speaker 2: He was definitely number two, yeah. Yeah, right.
[13:40] Speaker 1: But that's what he had, and what we saw was
[13:42] Speaker 1: maybe the greatest college offense that there has ever been.
[13:46] Speaker 1: That first year with the Bengals, before he got hurt,
[13:49] Speaker 1: it was cool, but it sure looked a lot different
[13:51] Speaker 1: once Jamar Chase showed up again, right? And then it's
[13:55] Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and it's Tee Higgins and Joe Mixon was
[13:58] Speaker 1: still giving you something in the backfield.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd was the wide receiver three for a little bit.
[14:02] Speaker 2: He still had something in the tank, you know? Right.
[14:04] Speaker 1: So the question to be asked is, I think it's
[14:07] Speaker 1: fair to say, or to question whether or not the
[14:09] Speaker 1: Bengals have over-invested in receivers, you know, in a salary
[14:14] Speaker 1: cap sport, right? We were like, you got to give
[14:16] Speaker 1: the money to Trey Hendrickson, but we're like, hey, they
[14:18] Speaker 1: decided to give the money to T. Higgins, so how
[14:20] Speaker 1: do we figure this out? But, and I want to
[14:23] Speaker 1: be very clear about this.
[14:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[14:26] Speaker 1: I'm not out here saying that the Bengals know what
[14:29] Speaker 1: they're doing. I don't want.
[14:30] Speaker 2: You to think that I'm automatically giving them the benefit
[14:34] Speaker 2: of the doubt.
[14:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of those blink two times
[14:39] Speaker 1: if you're okay, Beaumont. Y'all been listening to this show.
[14:41] Speaker 1: You know how I feel about this. But what if
[14:43] Speaker 1: the Bengals decided that actually Joe Burrow is in the
[14:47] Speaker 1: category of the Kirk Cousins in that you need to
[14:52] Speaker 1: get it cracking around them. to really make it happen.
[14:57] Speaker 2: Which, which is ultimately fine. Cause like you have proof
[15:00] Speaker 2: that this can, like you have proof that, you know,
[15:02] Speaker 2: if I got Joe Burrow and a dude or two
[15:04] Speaker 2: on the outside, we can have the best passing game.
[15:07] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:07] Speaker 2: Like pretty comfortably. I mean, you do even, what's kind of,
[15:10] Speaker 2: messed up and fun about the bangles as someone who's
[15:13] Speaker 2: not a bangles fan is their defense being so bad
[15:16] Speaker 2: has just produced like some incredible like fever hero ball
[15:20] Speaker 2: from burrow chase and higgins where they're just like bro
[15:22] Speaker 2: we gotta have it on this drive every drive uh
[15:25] Speaker 2: like the charge the chargers game last year uh where
[15:29] Speaker 2: justin herbert had a big game against their defense and
[15:30] Speaker 2: then eventually jamar chase and t higgins said no no
[15:33] Speaker 2: no no we're the we're the superstars here we gotta
[15:35] Speaker 2: drag it across the finish line but that's not really
[15:38] Speaker 2: a sustainable way to like win games. It's fun to watch,
[15:40] Speaker 2: but when you get down to it, their defense just
[15:43] Speaker 2: isn't good enough. Before the Jaguars Jaguared out and couldn't
[15:46] Speaker 2: do that, couldn't finish the game as they wanted to,
[15:49] Speaker 2: they were moving the ball pretty well. And then Joe
[15:51] Speaker 2: Flacco and the Browns were moving the ball pretty well too.
[15:53] Speaker 2: So it's kind of hard to parse where you go
[15:56] Speaker 2: with your resources here because obviously he needs offensive line
[16:00] Speaker 2: help if he's going to be the guy that's going
[16:02] Speaker 2: to play like he is. And that's the best way
[16:03] Speaker 2: for him to utilize his talent. So you got to
[16:06] Speaker 2: honestly continue to enforce that by getting off into the linemen,
[16:09] Speaker 2: but man, this defense, like, dude, you're not serving Lamar
[16:12] Speaker 2: Jackson or Derrick Henry, so I guess you gotta keep
[16:14] Speaker 2: trying to score 40 points a game. It's a tough
[16:17] Speaker 2: life to live.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta, at the very least, you gotta
[16:21] Speaker 1: go get that, get a tackle, left or right, right?
[16:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:25] Speaker 1: I talked about this on the show, I could be wrong, man,
[16:27] Speaker 1: but I feel like the hit rate on them tackles
[16:31] Speaker 1: is high, man.
[16:33] Speaker 2: They drafted one last year, but he was hurt this week.
[16:36] Speaker 2: Amarius Mills from Georgia. Yeah. I mean, that was the
[16:39] Speaker 2: thing at Georgia. He was hurt a lot. When he's
[16:41] Speaker 2: on the field, he's incredible. But you got to be
[16:43] Speaker 2: on the field, bro.
[16:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, so one thing that's always interesting about the Bengals,
[16:47] Speaker 1: and you know, historically, they were known for drafting Big
[16:50] Speaker 1: Ten players because they did not invest in scouts. So
[16:53] Speaker 1: they just got a lot of guys that were very close.
[16:58] Speaker 4: But you would think that for a school that was
[17:00] Speaker 4: as decidedly cheap or not a school, but a team
[17:04] Speaker 4: that's as decidedly cheap as they are, you would think
[17:07] Speaker 4: their college game would.
[17:09] Speaker 1: Be so on point, right? Because they got to get
[17:11] Speaker 1: the most out of these cats when they don't cost
[17:13] Speaker 1: no money. No, it doesn't really seem to go that way,
[17:17] Speaker 1: but it feels like everybody else sees a left tackle,
[17:19] Speaker 1: gets a left tackle. Problem solved, right? The whatchamacallem, the Chargers,
[17:24] Speaker 1: they drafted two left tackles in four years.
[17:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it did. And look, I should... rephrase some
[17:32] Speaker 2: of what I said about the Bengals because it's not
[17:35] Speaker 2: like they haven't tried to put defenders into, tried to
[17:39] Speaker 2: put resources into this defense where, you know, you've seen
[17:42] Speaker 2: the talent walk out over the years. Guys like Jesse
[17:44] Speaker 2: Bates in Atlanta, DJ Reader, Jermaine Pratt, who has some
[17:48] Speaker 2: good years for them. So they've tried, you know, they've
[17:51] Speaker 2: got two first round picks on the defensive line in
[17:53] Speaker 2: Jamar Stewart and Miles Murphy since then. They've got another
[17:57] Speaker 2: second round pick in Chris Jenkins Jr. They've got a
[17:59] Speaker 2: second round pick at linebacker Demetrius Knight They've got a
[18:02] Speaker 2: multitude of first, second, and third-round picks in the defensive backfield.
[18:05] Speaker 2: This is all in the past three or four years.
[18:07] Speaker 2: So they have really, really tried to put talent. They
[18:10] Speaker 2: just missed every single pick that they've tried on defense
[18:16] Speaker 2: they've missed so far in the past three or four years.
[18:19] Speaker 2: So they've got to keep playing Big 12 ball. That's
[18:22] Speaker 2: all they've got.
[18:22] Speaker 1: So I'm going to throw a couple things out here
[18:24] Speaker 1: for people. If you did not know this about Amarius Mims,
[18:27] Speaker 1: here are his dimensions from the combine. six foot seven
[18:32] Speaker 1: and three quarters, 340 pounds. and had the nerve to
[18:38] Speaker 1: run a 5.07 in the 40s. That is terrifying. Did
[18:44] Speaker 1: you see, what was his name, Josh Simmons, when he
[18:46] Speaker 1: went and got that dude on the interception in the
[18:49] Speaker 1: Chiefs-Eagles game? And Josh Simmons is the Chiefs' rookie left tackle.
[18:53] Speaker 1: He went to Ohio State. And one of my favorite
[18:55] Speaker 1: things in the NFL is anything that allows one of
[18:58] Speaker 1: these linemen to have to stretch it out or run
[19:01] Speaker 1: for like, get the... where the height matters, right? And
[19:04] Speaker 1: so they're stretching those legs out and they have time
[19:06] Speaker 1: to get up some speed. Hey, man, I can't imagine
[19:09] Speaker 1: how much it hurt that dude to catch that shoulder
[19:10] Speaker 1: and them thighs from that big old dude.
[19:13] Speaker 2: Bro, he tore his patella tendon less than a year ago.
[19:18] Speaker 2: That is the crazy thing to me. Out of Ohio
[19:21] Speaker 2: State last year, he tore his patella tendon in October
[19:23] Speaker 2: or November in the middle of their season. And You know,
[19:27] Speaker 2: because Nate Tice, who I do the show with, Football 301,
[19:30] Speaker 2: we were kind of looking at him this summer like, man,
[19:33] Speaker 2: he's a freak athlete. Like, what if he's one of
[19:35] Speaker 2: those guys like an Adrian Peterson type where, oh, you know,
[19:37] Speaker 2: I'm Wolverine. I'm back in a second. And then he
[19:40] Speaker 2: was back, full participant for the first day of full
[19:43] Speaker 2: pads of Chiefs training camp. I was like, what? I
[19:47] Speaker 2: used to know that Patel intended to tear his career under.
[19:49] Speaker 2: And you're back in like 10 months? Full speed, full pads? Like, no,
[19:54] Speaker 2: that boy's built different. But that's one guy. Get pad about,
[19:57] Speaker 2: you know, a few more of those. And maybe we
[19:59] Speaker 2: can start talking about the Chiefs getting back to where
[20:01] Speaker 2: they used to be. Because I hate watching that now.
[20:03] Speaker 2: I hate it.
[20:03] Speaker 1: It's so boring. Yeah, we talked about this. It feels
[20:05] Speaker 1: like work. Like I say, it's like watching your favorite
[20:08] Speaker 1: artist perform. a little bit past their prime. But I
[20:10] Speaker 1: want to ask this right fast about the Bengals, though.
[20:12] Speaker 1: Perhaps the solution is, I feel like they don't have
[20:15] Speaker 1: nearly as many arrestable players as they used to. Is
[20:18] Speaker 1: that what it feels like? I don't feel like we
[20:21] Speaker 1: talk about them like maybe they need to started getting
[20:24] Speaker 1: some cats living on the edge a little bit more, right?
[20:27] Speaker 1: Like Vontaze Perfect, who, by the way, is coaching people now.
[20:29] Speaker 1: He did not count as arrestable, but he played football
[20:33] Speaker 1: as though he was arrestable. If I am not mistaken,
[20:36] Speaker 1: I saw that Vontaze Perfect was coaching somewhere now. Let
[20:39] Speaker 1: me look this up to make sure that I have
[20:41] Speaker 1: not completely lost my mind. But I saw him doing
[20:44] Speaker 1: something that I was like, there's no way that Vontaze
[20:48] Speaker 1: Perfect is doing this.
[20:50] Speaker 2: At UNLV?
[20:52] Speaker 1: Yes, he is. He's a defensive analyst. That's right. My bad.
[20:55] Speaker 1: I did not get this wrong. Of course, maybe the
[20:58] Speaker 1: argument is the only place that you could get Vontaze
[21:01] Speaker 1: Perfect as a coach is in Las Vegas. But Paul Gunther,
[21:06] Speaker 1: former defensive coordinator at the Bengals, brought Perfect. That tells
[21:12] Speaker 1: you that Vontaze Perfect is one of these guys that
[21:14] Speaker 1: if you know him, you just love him.
[21:15] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Once he's your guy, he's your guy.
[21:19] Speaker 2: And there's nothing that anyone can say. Look, I know
[21:22] Speaker 2: what you saw is bad, but trust me. Once you
[21:23] Speaker 2: get around him a little bit, it'll be okay. It'll
[21:26] Speaker 2: be okay. And Burfik was fascinating because I remember watching–
[21:30] Speaker 2: he was one of the first YouTube athletes that we
[21:33] Speaker 2: kind of got captured with as far as people in
[21:36] Speaker 2: my generation just trying to figure out what's out there.
[21:40] Speaker 2: And I thought that– I remember so specifically there was
[21:43] Speaker 2: this video the highlight video was like Fonte's birthday. Cause he,
[21:46] Speaker 2: could he be the next Ray Lewis? And you watch
[21:48] Speaker 2: those clips. You're like, shoot, I don't know. Maybe, maybe
[21:51] Speaker 2: he could. And then he came out at the combine
[21:54] Speaker 2: around five second 40 dog.
[21:57] Speaker 1: He is the best player. He's the best college player
[22:01] Speaker 1: I've ever seen that the entire league said, no thanks
[22:05] Speaker 1: to him. As I recall, he made it all the
[22:10] Speaker 1: way down. the end.
[22:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was undrafted.
[22:15] Speaker 1: He was undrafted. He was a first team All-American as
[22:20] Speaker 1: a junior. He got invited to the combine.
[22:26] Speaker 2: He was amazing. He was a really good college player.
[22:29] Speaker 1: Yes. No, I cannot imagine what, first of all, I
[22:31] Speaker 1: can't imagine what it was like to try to coach him.
[22:33] Speaker 1: And he had this pension, but he's illegal hits that
[22:35] Speaker 1: of course, the most memorable thing that he did in
[22:38] Speaker 1: his time in Cincinnati was on that. It was that
[22:42] Speaker 1: last drive against the Steelers that may or may not
[22:45] Speaker 1: have changed Antonio Brown's life forever. It was the end
[22:49] Speaker 1: of that game. They had AJ McCarron at quarterback. I remember,
[22:52] Speaker 1: and they were set up to win it. And I'm
[22:54] Speaker 1: talking about how the bangles used to have arrestable players
[22:57] Speaker 1: and they I mean, they really used to have arrestable players,
[23:00] Speaker 1: but their thing was they like shopping for bargains and
[23:03] Speaker 1: they get a lot of open box specials and they
[23:05] Speaker 1: get dudes that was on the edge in ways that,
[23:08] Speaker 1: depending on who you were talking about, were okay. And
[23:11] Speaker 1: some of them were absolutely indefensible. But anyway, the end
[23:14] Speaker 1: of that game was Jeremy Hill making a fumble. Pac-Man
[23:18] Speaker 1: Jones losing it completely at the end, and Vontaze Burfeet
[23:24] Speaker 1: catching that 15-yard penalty. The three most bangle bangles on
[23:29] Speaker 1: the whole team. The most bangle bangles that they had,
[23:33] Speaker 1: and they all fell apart at the worst time.
[23:37] Speaker 2: That reminds me, a couple weeks ago, I've been reading
[23:41] Speaker 2: about Chris Henry Jr., you know, late Chris Henry. His
[23:44] Speaker 2: son is a monster football player. But I was reading
[23:49] Speaker 2: something that Pac-Man Jones had been raising.
[23:52] Speaker 1: That's right. He's like his play date. Yeah.
[23:54] Speaker 2: And I was like, huh, that's interesting, isn't it? And
[23:58] Speaker 2: then I also read over the past few years, T.J.
[24:00] Speaker 2: Houshman has been getting a little bit more involved. and
[24:03] Speaker 2: helping him train and get ready for football stuff. So
[24:06] Speaker 2: I was like, I would love to know what some
[24:09] Speaker 2: of the conversations were there between TJ and Pac-Man about
[24:12] Speaker 2: steering this young man.
[24:13] Speaker 1: Well, look, man, that's because Chris Henry appears to be another.
[24:17] Speaker 1: You just got to be around him. And if you are,
[24:20] Speaker 1: you'll come to love this guy, right? That's how it goes.
[24:23] Speaker 1: By the way, check this text I just sent you.
[24:25] Speaker 1: I think it may be an explanation for the change
[24:27] Speaker 1: in direction for Vontaze Burfeet.
[24:30] Speaker 2: Ha, ha, ha.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Just like, just, hold on, I'm going to send you
[24:36] Speaker 1: another one. I believe that sometimes when you get changes
[24:40] Speaker 1: like these, it leave us with... With one explanation.
[24:46] Speaker 2: We all got a couple homies like that, man.
[24:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't
[24:51] Speaker 1: say this out loud, right? It's not fair to say
[24:55] Speaker 1: out loud, but that is exactly it. We all got
[24:57] Speaker 1: a couple homies that, I'll give you another example of
[25:01] Speaker 1: this on text. People was like, yo, man, y'all was wrong.
[25:05] Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, something changed. And I think I
[25:09] Speaker 1: know what it was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
[25:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you guys, some of those friends of you
[25:15] Speaker 2: guys say, hey, why don't you put down some of
[25:16] Speaker 2: this drinking and some of this other stuff so we
[25:18] Speaker 2: get this stuff right, you know?
[25:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, hey man, let me run something by
[25:23] Speaker 1: you here, you know what I'm saying? But no, that's,
[25:27] Speaker 1: I think the Bengals need to... get back to their roots.
[25:30] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[25:32] Speaker 2: Little edge. They lost their edge.
[25:34] Speaker 1: That is... They lost their essence. They forgot what they
[25:40] Speaker 1: was in it for. That thing about Mike Brown. Mike Brown,
[25:45] Speaker 1: he got like a Father Flanagan sort of vibe. You
[25:49] Speaker 1: know what I mean? He wants to save the day,
[25:53] Speaker 1: though in real life, everything about him indicates that He
[25:58] Speaker 1: doesn't care about saving these people at all.
[26:00] Speaker 2: At all. They had like a scouting department with like
[26:03] Speaker 2: four people.
[26:04] Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. But also, yeah, but also, Mike
[26:09] Speaker 1: Brown's politics do not imply that he is here in
[26:12] Speaker 1: the name of the betterment of these hardscrabble youths.
[26:16] Speaker 2: I will say, I will say, if you want to
[26:18] Speaker 2: get a good laugh, the website Open Secrets, if you
[26:21] Speaker 2: ever look up Mike Brown and his donations, Boy, he's stingy,
[26:26] Speaker 2: even the people he likes. It's hilarious. Even the people
[26:29] Speaker 2: he likes, it's a drop in the bucket, dog. I
[26:33] Speaker 2: got a good laugh. Go look up Mike Brown's Open Secrets,
[26:35] Speaker 2: Political Nation. It's very funny. He's a penny pitcher, man.
[26:39] Speaker 1: He doesn't give it to anybody.
[26:42] Speaker 2: Anyway, this is a billionaire, dog. A billionaire.
[26:45] Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, though, he's a billionaire, but
[26:47] Speaker 1: the money is all in the bank.
[26:49] Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
[26:51] Speaker 1: That's the one thing I do say is he is
[26:53] Speaker 1: only a billionaire- because he owns the Bengals, right? Like
[26:59] Speaker 1: that's the, that's it. Oh, oh, hold on. He gave, okay,
[27:05] Speaker 1: he gave $ 1, 700 to Lindsey Graham. Hold on, hold on,
[27:08] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He gave him, and I don't
[27:10] Speaker 1: know how this works, He gave him $ 5, 000 and that
[27:14] Speaker 1: same day took back $ 1, 700 of it.
[27:18] Speaker 3: Right?
[27:18] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He's just like this. He's just
[27:22] Speaker 2: like this. It's not just about you. Yeah, Bengals fans,
[27:27] Speaker 2: don't even take it personally. He's out here, people, he
[27:30] Speaker 2: wants to win elections. He's pulling back donations, you know?
[27:35] Speaker 1: Now, hold on, there's a Mike Brown in Cincinnati who
[27:37] Speaker 1: is listed as not employed, who gave $ 250 to Kamala Harris.
[27:41] Speaker 1: I don't think that that is the same Mike Brown. Nope,
[27:44] Speaker 1: this other one is listed as Cincinnati Bengals. This, by
[27:49] Speaker 1: the way, is why, first of all, I got a
[27:50] Speaker 1: number of reasons I don't give nobody money, but I
[27:52] Speaker 1: know why this has to be public, but I feel
[27:55] Speaker 1: like it shouldn't. Yeah, yeah.
[27:57] Speaker 2: It probably shouldn't be, but it's funny.
[27:59] Speaker 1: No, no, the problem is, like, the people, the type
[28:01] Speaker 1: of people.
[28:02] Speaker 2: It should be, it should be public.
[28:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. My thing is this. The type of people I
[28:05] Speaker 1: would give money to, man, I'd never get a job again.
[28:09] Speaker 1: For somebody to have politics to make me actually give
[28:12] Speaker 1: them money? Man.
[28:16] Speaker 2: That'd be a canceled.
[28:19] Speaker 1: Dick time right now. I ain't giving no money anyway
[28:22] Speaker 1: just because whatever money I give them, it ain't going
[28:24] Speaker 1: to change nothing. I'm not going to give you enough
[28:27] Speaker 1: to get me no sway and therefore I'm not going
[28:30] Speaker 1: to give you enough to change anything that you do.
[28:33] Speaker 1: So you go ahead and you make that happen. I
[28:36] Speaker 1: feel like when you go to the Met now, they
[28:37] Speaker 1: don't charge you. They just let you make a donation.
[28:40] Speaker 1: And the first time I was there, I gave them
[28:42] Speaker 1: the full donation because I feel like I got, you know,
[28:44] Speaker 1: I got it. I'm doing this. Then I stopped and
[28:46] Speaker 1: thought about how much they stole. That's what I'm saying.
[28:49] Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing?
[28:51] Speaker 2: What am I doing?
[28:53] Speaker 1: This is the last thing I'll say about the Met
[28:55] Speaker 1: before we go to break. I always say about the
[28:56] Speaker 1: Met because if you've never been in the Met, the
[28:59] Speaker 1: Metropolitan Museum, 81st and Fifth Avenue, New York City. The
[29:04] Speaker 1: Met has an incredible Egyptian exhibit. Like it is mind
[29:10] Speaker 1: blowing how dope the Egyptian exhibit is. And it leaves
[29:13] Speaker 1: me at a bit of a dilemma where I'm always like,
[29:15] Speaker 1: it is so terrible that they took this stuff from
[29:19] Speaker 1: the people it belonged to. They could easily give it back,
[29:21] Speaker 1: all this stuff. It is ridiculous. It is just terribly
[29:24] Speaker 1: unfair that it is in this museum. But what is
[29:28] Speaker 1: not terrible is that that museum is a 15 minute
[29:31] Speaker 1: bus ride away from my house. That part is actually
[29:34] Speaker 1: pretty nifty. So I can i can go in there
[29:37] Speaker 1: and give them a piece of my mind and not
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[32:18] Speaker 1: we are back with Charles McDonald of Yahoo Sports. Monday
[32:22] Speaker 1: Night Football, showing Tom Brady in the box with the
[32:26] Speaker 1: headset on, with the coaches for the Raiders. And for
[32:30] Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Tom Brady owns, I believe, 5%
[32:33] Speaker 1: of the Las Vegas Raiders. And that's actually a little
[32:37] Speaker 1: tricky with his $ 30- something million a year day job, which
[32:41] Speaker 1: is working for Fox, doing football for Fox.
[32:44] Speaker 2: And the reason is.
[32:46] Speaker 1: An advancement of sports broadcasting that John Madden brought in
[32:50] Speaker 1: is that prior to John Madden, the broadcasters would just
[32:52] Speaker 1: show up the day of the game and then go
[32:54] Speaker 1: call them. And then John Madden said, there's no way
[32:56] Speaker 1: that I could properly discuss a team on television without
[33:00] Speaker 1: having seen them practice and without having met with the coaches.
[33:03] Speaker 1: And so the broadcast teams now get time to meet
[33:06] Speaker 1: with the coaches and they like talk about stuff.
[33:09] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
[33:10] Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it's like when the broadcasters are like,
[33:12] Speaker 1: look out for this guy. He was practicing this week.
[33:14] Speaker 1: The coaches like they get information that other people don't
[33:17] Speaker 1: get because it's with the understanding that you're not going
[33:19] Speaker 1: to say anything about it until you get on television. Right.
[33:22] Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a safe space is the way
[33:24] Speaker 1: that we'll put it.
[33:25] Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of stuff, too, you know.
[33:27] Speaker 1: Right. And so Tom Brady last year couldn't go to
[33:29] Speaker 1: those meetings. They couldn't do that stuff because he's the
[33:32] Speaker 1: he is a part owner. And so they changed those
[33:36] Speaker 1: rules a little bit. I don't know exactly how it goes,
[33:39] Speaker 1: but it raised questions when you see Tom Brady with
[33:42] Speaker 1: the headset on that he, through this time and through
[33:47] Speaker 1: doing these games, he will be talking to people who
[33:51] Speaker 1: work for teams that are then going to play for
[33:53] Speaker 1: the Raiders. right? He's going to have access to a
[33:56] Speaker 1: certain intel that it's fair to ask whether or not
[33:59] Speaker 1: he should have it. And so you got a lot
[34:00] Speaker 1: of questions from people who saw him in the box
[34:03] Speaker 1: with the headset during the game about that fact. Charles,
[34:06] Speaker 1: I don't know about you. My question about it was,
[34:09] Speaker 1: how annoyed are you if you were Chip Kelly? Because
[34:12] Speaker 1: that just feels meddlesome.
[34:14] Speaker 2: It does feel meddlesome. But I just don't understand what's
[34:21] Speaker 2: going on here with Tom in general. Like, It just
[34:25] Speaker 2: seems like he's got his hand in so much stuff
[34:27] Speaker 2: right now. And it's funny because you said it seems
[34:31] Speaker 2: complicated when he's got these conflicts of interest, but he
[34:37] Speaker 2: seems to be able to make it very uncomplicated by
[34:40] Speaker 2: just walking into a room and going, I'm Tom Brady.
[34:45] Speaker 2: And that works. And that's about it. Because last year,
[34:49] Speaker 2: he's talking to Ben Johnson when the Raiders are about
[34:52] Speaker 2: to have a head coaching vacancy, and he's broadcasting the game.
[34:57] Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't do that. That's not fair. And
[35:02] Speaker 2: if you read the reporting on The Athletic about their
[35:06] Speaker 2: acquisition of Geno Smith, the Raiders acquisition of Geno Smith,
[35:10] Speaker 2: Todd was very, very involved in that, in helping them
[35:13] Speaker 2: decide that Geno was the quarterback that they should go
[35:15] Speaker 2: after to maximize whatever this Pete Carroll window is going
[35:18] Speaker 2: to be. So You know, this is someone who is
[35:21] Speaker 2: already reported to be very, like, involved in, like, the
[35:23] Speaker 2: big decision-making processes now with the Raiders. And now he's, like,
[35:26] Speaker 2: wearing a headset during a game, and he's going to
[35:28] Speaker 2: go call another game this weekend. But, you know, he
[35:32] Speaker 2: smiles and he shows us seven Super Bowl rings, and
[35:34] Speaker 2: it seems like that seems to win a lot of
[35:35] Speaker 2: decision-makers over as far as allowing him to break the rules.
[35:38] Speaker 2: Because I don't know, like, if Greg Olsen decides to
[35:40] Speaker 2: start doing this, I don't know if it will go
[35:42] Speaker 2: all that well for him. But, you know, for Tom Brady,
[35:45] Speaker 2: it's a charmed life, I'll tell you what.
[35:46] Speaker 1: Oh, cool. First of all, Greg Olson ain't got no
[35:49] Speaker 1: give me get a piece of team money. Let's just
[35:50] Speaker 1: go ahead and throw that out there. If Greg Olson
[35:53] Speaker 1: get that money, it's because he hit the goddamn Powerball,
[35:56] Speaker 1: in which case he ain't going to be announcing no games, right?
[35:58] Speaker 1: Let's start there, okay? Number two, I am amazed at
[36:06] Speaker 1: the way that everybody is bending over backwards to create
[36:10] Speaker 1: a circumstance where Tom Brady can be a mediocre color commentator.
[36:16] Speaker 1: Because at least as of now, he's not especially good
[36:19] Speaker 1: at it. I do think he's good when he goes
[36:22] Speaker 1: on with Colin, right? And he kind of gives his
[36:24] Speaker 1: read on the state of the league or whatever because
[36:26] Speaker 1: he's so passionate about it. I think my criticism of
[36:29] Speaker 1: him as a color commentator is, it's just too important
[36:33] Speaker 1: to him, right? Like it's a game to us. He's
[36:37] Speaker 1: not having any fun at all when he's up there
[36:40] Speaker 1: watching that game and talking about it. Like when Baker
[36:42] Speaker 1: Mayfield made that point, which I thought was a fair one,
[36:45] Speaker 1: that it was a little looser after Tom left Tampa.
[36:47] Speaker 1: Tom was like, I thought the point was to win championships.
[36:51] Speaker 1: I mean, damn. Yeah. I hear you, brother. I do.
[36:54] Speaker 1: But at the same time, you have to like, you
[36:57] Speaker 1: got to understand this. So, so he, he's there for Fox.
[37:01] Speaker 1: They're paying him a zillion dollars. It's not particularly enjoyable
[37:05] Speaker 1: for anybody, especially not Greg Olson. Um, and so they've
[37:11] Speaker 1: been like all these, it's just the idea, I guess,
[37:14] Speaker 1: of being able to say that Tom Brady is on
[37:16] Speaker 1: the broadcast, but, I.
[37:18] Speaker 2: Don't care about that, man.
[37:20] Speaker 1: I don't care about that. No, I don't care about that.
[37:22] Speaker 1: And I want to say this to be fair to
[37:24] Speaker 1: Brady about not being that good at the job that
[37:27] Speaker 1: he has right now. And it's something that I thought
[37:30] Speaker 1: about when I was doing Game Theory for HBO, which
[37:34] Speaker 1: is we did two seasons of Game Theory. We did
[37:38] Speaker 1: 16 episodes. And that meant that I got to do
[37:43] Speaker 1: a television show like that a grand total of 17 times.
[37:46] Speaker 1: Like the only chance that you actually have to practice
[37:50] Speaker 1: is with the whole world watching. And so back in
[37:53] Speaker 1: the day, like take a guy like Phil Sims, for example,
[37:56] Speaker 1: Phil Sims had gotten himself up to the point of
[37:58] Speaker 1: being in the number one broadcast team, but that is
[37:59] Speaker 1: not where he started. He started doing like the one
[38:03] Speaker 1: o'clock kickoffs, just like everybody else. And then gradually, you know,
[38:06] Speaker 1: moved himself up. That's where these cats used to go.
[38:09] Speaker 1: That's not it anymore. Like the dudes that they want,
[38:11] Speaker 1: they walk in and boom, Tony Romo, you starting off
[38:14] Speaker 1: on the number one team. You remember when Jason Witten
[38:17] Speaker 1: was out there? He was so bad, he went and
[38:19] Speaker 1: played football again.
[38:20] Speaker 2: I forgot about that. I totally forgot about that.
[38:26] Speaker 1: And they said he tested really well, but you have
[38:28] Speaker 1: no other opportunity to practice doing that job except in
[38:32] Speaker 1: front of the whole world. And Tom Brady ain't got
[38:34] Speaker 1: no time to be practicing. He's too busy owning a team.
[38:38] Speaker 1: And I would like to say one last thing. I
[38:40] Speaker 1: can only take this to mean he really needs the money.
[38:43] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because why else are you doing all this, man?
[38:49] Speaker 2: Why not just be the owner and just hang out?
[38:52] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[38:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I don't know what decisions he's made with
[38:54] Speaker 1: his money. You know, his old queen, she had all
[38:57] Speaker 1: the dough or whatever. But like, this is, they gave
[39:00] Speaker 1: you 5% of the NFL team, but you can't cash
[39:03] Speaker 1: that check.
[39:04] Speaker 2: But it's a different 5% because Mark Davis is so
[39:08] Speaker 2: tired of making mistakes on his own that Tom gets
[39:10] Speaker 2: to make real decisions. He's playing Madden. He gets to
[39:14] Speaker 2: have a stake in the team without the real financial
[39:17] Speaker 2: risk that someone like Mark Davis would be taking. It's crazy.
[39:23] Speaker 2: But now I feel like I'm getting slapped over the
[39:26] Speaker 2: head with this stuff because why do I need to
[39:27] Speaker 2: know that he's playing flag football saudi arabia like.
[39:30] Speaker 1: What yo what's going on there again this is making
[39:34] Speaker 1: me raise questions all.
[39:36] Speaker 2: Right either he's really that's a good one that's a
[39:38] Speaker 2: good one.
[39:39] Speaker 1: Either he's really greedy or he's got bills, right? And
[39:45] Speaker 1: if you have not seen this, there's going to be
[39:46] Speaker 1: some all-time great flag football league. And by the way,
[39:49] Speaker 1: now that nothing matters in the world anymore and we
[39:51] Speaker 1: don't care about these things, these guys can go over there.
[39:54] Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Justin Jefferson, a lot of big-time current players.
[39:59] Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, who is not a current player, obviously. But
[40:02] Speaker 1: they're going to go over there and play flag football
[40:03] Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. And it wasn't that long ago that
[40:06] Speaker 1: we would be up in the grill about doing such
[40:08] Speaker 1: a thing. And we had all these questions about live golf.
[40:11] Speaker 1: Nothing matters anymore. They're going to go play flag football
[40:16] Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. And I bet everybody's getting eight figures
[40:19] Speaker 1: for it at least.
[40:21] Speaker 2: And people are going to watch, too. Not me. I'm
[40:24] Speaker 2: staying away from that.
[40:26] Speaker 1: Well, help me with this. If it's flag football, why
[40:29] Speaker 1: we need Miles Garrett? Because he's going over there to play.
[40:34] Speaker 2: You got to ask them. Is Miles Garrett just taking
[40:36] Speaker 2: a check? I don't know.
[40:40] Speaker 1: I don't understand that.
[40:42] Speaker 2: That just doesn't... Now, that's something I might be interested
[40:45] Speaker 2: in watching. Watching Miles Garrett catch a pass against someone,
[40:48] Speaker 2: but only like two plays. You can't be locked in
[40:51] Speaker 2: on that. If it gets on Twitter, I'll watch that then.
[40:55] Speaker 1: That is, I think, as far as I will go
[40:57] Speaker 1: on it. But I was just thinking... there's no way
[41:01] Speaker 1: that Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly want this. Like they're
[41:05] Speaker 1: doing their best job of selling like, yeah, okay, whatever.
[41:08] Speaker 1: But why do you need to be on the headset?
[41:11] Speaker 1: That is the same way I feel about Carly Irsay, Gordon,
[41:16] Speaker 1: who is the new owner of the Colts. He's Jim
[41:21] Speaker 1: Irsay's daughter. Irsay left the team to his three daughters.
[41:23] Speaker 1: She's the one that like calls shots. And, I thought
[41:27] Speaker 1: it was interesting that she said that she wanted to
[41:30] Speaker 1: be on the headset early because she needed to know
[41:33] Speaker 1: what kind of coaches she had, right?
[41:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. That was actually a really interesting interview that she
[41:37] Speaker 2: had about it.
[41:38] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[41:39] Speaker 1: I thought it made sense for a week, though.
[41:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[41:42] Speaker 1: It can't be like this all the time.
[41:44] Speaker 2: Right.
[41:46] Speaker 1: That feels meddlesome. If Jerry Jones was on the headset,
[41:51] Speaker 1: on the sideline, talking about, I need to hear what
[41:53] Speaker 1: kind of man my coach is, We would not act
[41:57] Speaker 1: like that was nifty. We would not act like that
[41:59] Speaker 1: was cool.
[42:00] Speaker 2: Because even if you're not saying anything, it's your presence
[42:03] Speaker 2: that is a little bit too much. What's her name again? Carly?
[42:09] Speaker 1: Carly. Yes.
[42:10] Speaker 2: She actually said some cool stuff about how she was
[42:12] Speaker 2: learning a lot about play calls and how they go
[42:16] Speaker 2: in and some of the adjustments that are made on
[42:18] Speaker 2: the fly as play calls come in. But you could
[42:21] Speaker 2: go to a meet and and learn some of that stuff.
[42:23] Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to, you don't have to
[42:25] Speaker 2: sit here on Sunday on the sideline with the headset on,
[42:28] Speaker 2: just kind of walk up to the sidelines, listening to
[42:31] Speaker 2: all the coaches talk. And I'm sure that it's been
[42:33] Speaker 2: enlightening for her and maybe it will help them make,
[42:35] Speaker 2: you know, help her make more decisions in a more
[42:38] Speaker 2: productive manner for, for the organization as things go along here.
[42:42] Speaker 2: But you, you, you could save that for another day.
[42:44] Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just, I don't, I don't know what,
[42:47] Speaker 2: like if you're, if you're Pete Carroll, right. And you
[42:49] Speaker 2: have coached, So many different winning organizations across your time
[42:55] Speaker 2: as a coach. Different teams taking different forms. Why do
[42:58] Speaker 2: I need to listen to Tom Brady? Chip Kelly, he's
[43:02] Speaker 2: gotten to the NFL head coaching ranks, got to UCLA,
[43:06] Speaker 2: had the cachet to say, nope, I'm done with this
[43:08] Speaker 2: head coaching stuff. I'm about to go be the OC
[43:09] Speaker 2: at Ohio State. Why do I need Tom Brady on
[43:12] Speaker 2: the head? What value is he really adding that couldn't
[43:14] Speaker 2: be added on Monday? or two cents.
[43:17] Speaker 1: That's the, that's, I think the point, not that Tom
[43:20] Speaker 1: Brady doesn't have anything to contribute.
[43:23] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[43:23] Speaker 1: But we up here, we up here doing our jobs
[43:26] Speaker 1: right now, bro. Like I take that to mean that
[43:31] Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I feel like he bored. Right. I'll never forget.
[43:38] Speaker 1: When I was in college, I participated on the Honda
[43:41] Speaker 1: campus all-star challenge quiz bowl team. Right. You know, I
[43:46] Speaker 1: was a beast. Anyway, we had won a national championship
[43:50] Speaker 1: of some sorts. And so they honored us at halftime
[43:52] Speaker 1: of a football game, which I will be honest, made
[43:55] Speaker 1: me feel a little bit embarrassed. Right. But people were
[43:58] Speaker 1: very proud of us, apparently like, OK, cool. So I'm
[44:01] Speaker 1: sitting there with a dude that was on the team
[44:02] Speaker 1: with me and he was a dude that was in
[44:05] Speaker 1: the band. But for that semester, for some reason, he
[44:07] Speaker 1: was not participating with the band. And I'll just this
[44:10] Speaker 1: stuck with me forever. Like I actually found this to
[44:12] Speaker 1: be very profound is that I'm next to him. And
[44:15] Speaker 1: he looks at me and he says, this is the
[44:20] Speaker 1: first time that I have ever been at a football
[44:24] Speaker 1: game without an instrument. He had no idea. what to
[44:30] Speaker 1: do with himself if he was at a football game
[44:32] Speaker 1: and he was not playing the xylophone or, you know,
[44:35] Speaker 1: the instrument that he played. Like he had no idea
[44:36] Speaker 1: what to do. And I feel like that must be
[44:38] Speaker 1: Tom Brady, right? Like he's at these games and at
[44:41] Speaker 1: least the microphone gives him something to do. Like I
[44:44] Speaker 1: now imagine that when he's calling these games, like his insides,
[44:48] Speaker 1: it's like the fighting temptations in there. He has no
[44:50] Speaker 1: clue what in the world he's supposed to do at
[44:53] Speaker 1: a football game if he's not actually part of the action.
[44:56] Speaker 1: So now here he is getting in on the headset.
[44:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of like what I don't, I guess
[45:03] Speaker 2: not what I kind of don't like, what I don't
[45:04] Speaker 2: like about Tom as a broadcaster and even like some
[45:08] Speaker 2: other broadcasters where it feels like every play needs to
[45:11] Speaker 2: be like a breakdown of something. Like, hey man, just
[45:14] Speaker 2: keep it moving. Like, I don't mean, you know, you
[45:18] Speaker 2: don't need to draw it up like when it's a
[45:19] Speaker 2: three-yard gain or explain like every little detail of what
[45:21] Speaker 2: happened because sometimes it starts bleeding to the next play
[45:24] Speaker 2: and it just kind of, it's boring to watch. Like,
[45:26] Speaker 2: I remember when When I stopped playing college football and
[45:30] Speaker 2: I started doing media work, I have some of my
[45:32] Speaker 2: friends be like, yo, you watch film for fun? That
[45:35] Speaker 2: used to be the most boring part of all of this.
[45:38] Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I know, I know. It's really not
[45:41] Speaker 2: that interesting, and it's not good on a broadcast either.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Gary Danielson is my favorite broadcaster, has been forever, because
[45:49] Speaker 2: he does such a good job blending. Here's a quick
[45:53] Speaker 2: two-second X and O thing every four plays, but most
[45:55] Speaker 2: of the time I'm here to make a burn chunk.
[45:57] Speaker 2: And that was a great broadcast for me, but some
[45:59] Speaker 2: of it feels too serious now.
[46:01] Speaker 1: Well, so this is what I think. I'm curious what
[46:04] Speaker 1: you think about the distinction I'm going to try to make.
[46:07] Speaker 1: There is a difference between teaching and explaining, right?
[46:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[46:13] Speaker 1: And so what you're talking about, and I do think
[46:16] Speaker 1: I see this from a lot of guys, they use
[46:18] Speaker 1: a little bit too much jargon, right? Oh, man, we
[46:20] Speaker 1: got a three-man shell here. It's a two-eye save.
[46:22] Speaker 2: Look, I— I like Dan and Lou, Lou Riddick and Olasky.
[46:27] Speaker 2: I like their work, but last night.
[46:28] Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, boy, you're bringing out the jargon. Yeah, yeah,
[46:32] Speaker 1: they were doing a little too much, but I mean...
[46:35] Speaker 1: The God MC is John Madden, right? Yes. And for
[46:38] Speaker 1: the people who were too young to get anything close
[46:40] Speaker 1: to prime John Madden, even non-prime John Madden was it,
[46:43] Speaker 1: but that is the God MC of doing this. And
[46:46] Speaker 1: the thing that made Madden so good, you have to remember,
[46:48] Speaker 1: is that Madden derives from a time where the archetype
[46:51] Speaker 1: of a coach was not so much a CEO, but
[46:54] Speaker 1: was an actual factual teacher, right? And so John Madden
[46:58] Speaker 1: felt like a teacher at your school. And when he
[47:00] Speaker 1: did get in to explain, he had the clicker and
[47:02] Speaker 1: everything else, He wasn't saying what happened. He was showing you, hey,
[47:08] Speaker 1: cool thing about football. This is a zone dog. This
[47:11] Speaker 1: is what you do on a zone dog. Now watch
[47:15] Speaker 1: the zone dog. And be like, oh, okay. I get
[47:19] Speaker 1: where you're coming from, right? Like, I think that's the
[47:22] Speaker 1: key is you need to be, you need to know
[47:25] Speaker 1: how to teach your audience. And in a way, people
[47:30] Speaker 1: only care if you know more than them, if you're
[47:32] Speaker 1: willing to share.
[47:34] Speaker 3: Right?
[47:34] Speaker 2: Yes.
[47:35] Speaker 1: If you're not sharing, they resent you. But if you're
[47:38] Speaker 1: making it something we can all participate in, it's like, yo,
[47:42] Speaker 1: I got more food than I know what to do with.
[47:43] Speaker 1: Everybody likes that guy. You know what I'm saying? But
[47:46] Speaker 1: they just over there watching you eat? Nobody likes that guy.
[47:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[47:50] Speaker 2: Well, see, that's why, like, I used... A lot of
[47:52] Speaker 2: people used to tell me I was crazy back in
[47:54] Speaker 2: the day when I said, like, Gary Danielson, I will
[47:58] Speaker 2: watch any game that he broadcasts. And people are like, oh,
[48:00] Speaker 2: you know, but he's kind of slow. Like, no, if
[48:03] Speaker 2: you listen... you will learn so much about like playing
[48:07] Speaker 2: quarterback when Gary's on there, because it's not, it's not
[48:10] Speaker 2: an overflow of information, but he'll like over the course
[48:13] Speaker 2: of a game, he'd be like, Oh, you know, so
[48:14] Speaker 2: they were running this coverage earlier and bang, now they
[48:16] Speaker 2: can run a switch up, switch up route here. And
[48:18] Speaker 2: they got loose for a touchdown. And then he, but
[48:20] Speaker 2: he keeps it lighthearted too. And he keeps it moving along.
[48:22] Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what we need to get back to.
[48:24] Speaker 2: Cause I do feel like football coverage in general has
[48:26] Speaker 2: gotten very serious sometimes. Like, and I like the data
[48:30] Speaker 2: and the numbers and stuff like that. Like I use
[48:32] Speaker 2: a lot in my work, but, You know, it's still
[48:36] Speaker 2: a game. You know, you should be able to have
[48:37] Speaker 2: a little bit of fun and laugh at what's going
[48:40] Speaker 2: on without every play or every drive or every game.
[48:43] Speaker 2: It's some referendum on the end of the world. Like
[48:45] Speaker 2: some of the stuff I'm seeing two weeks into the season. Like, bro,
[48:49] Speaker 2: y'all need to take a damn breath. Like, yeah, we
[48:51] Speaker 2: got 15 weeks to go.
[48:53] Speaker 1: Yeah. Sports broadcast in general, but football broadcast in particular.
[48:57] Speaker 1: I really just want to watch this game. I don't
[48:58] Speaker 1: need that much data. Like I think in a number
[49:02] Speaker 1: of ways, we are really overrun with data. It's data
[49:06] Speaker 1: all over the screen. You got a ticker at the bottom,
[49:09] Speaker 1: depending upon what network you're watching. I don't need, and
[49:12] Speaker 1: I get why they do it, but the game does
[49:16] Speaker 1: then often feel secondary, and then as the game, is
[49:20] Speaker 1: going on, I don't, I don't watch football or enjoy
[49:25] Speaker 1: it as a puzzle to be solved. Though I am
[49:28] Speaker 1: often intrigued by how the puzzle works. I don't like,
[49:32] Speaker 1: that's not why I'm watching it. I'm watching it for
[49:34] Speaker 1: a good time. I want to throw something at you
[49:36] Speaker 1: right fast as you are an Atlanta Falcons fan. Like
[49:39] Speaker 1: you still do that. It's wild. And you know, I
[49:43] Speaker 1: want to give you proof that some places they'll love
[49:46] Speaker 1: you forever. Um, on three sports is reporting that Virginia tech, um.
[49:54] Speaker 2: Oh, no.
[49:55] Speaker 1: They just fired their head coach after losing to Georgia Tech.
[50:00] Speaker 1: But it says here, sources have told all three sports
[50:02] Speaker 1: that some Virginia Tech boosters push Vic to get coaching experience.
[50:05] Speaker 1: It would not surprise anybody in the industry if Vic
[50:07] Speaker 1: is a serious name at Virginia Tech and future coaching searches.
[50:10] Speaker 1: First of all, future coaching searches says a lot about
[50:13] Speaker 1: what you think. It says a lot about what you
[50:16] Speaker 1: think about the future of this program.
[50:18] Speaker 2: What future?
[50:20] Speaker 1: I guess for Vic, going back to Virginia Tech, that's
[50:23] Speaker 1: kind of like Barry Bonds in San Francisco, right? It
[50:25] Speaker 1: don't matter what you do, baby. It don't matter what
[50:27] Speaker 1: they say about you.
[50:29] Speaker 2: I actually did get into this last week. And the
[50:32] Speaker 2: first thing I thought was, Mike, you don't want to
[50:35] Speaker 2: be the coach that takes this job right now. Take
[50:38] Speaker 2: it after the next guy gets fired. You know, because
[50:41] Speaker 2: this dude, I'm an East Coaster through and through all
[50:46] Speaker 2: my life. Like this East Coast football shit, that's what
[50:49] Speaker 2: I know. Virginia Tech, like, I tell, like, my little
[50:52] Speaker 2: brother and his friends, like, yo, like, this used to
[50:54] Speaker 2: be a real deal college football program. Like, churning out
[50:58] Speaker 2: dudes to the NFL on a year-by-year basis. Like, you
[51:02] Speaker 2: go look up some of those guys, play Virginia Tech from, like, 2000,
[51:05] Speaker 2: or not even 2000. Like, let's call it, like, 1995 to, like, 2012. Like,
[51:10] Speaker 2: that stretch, they put a lot of dudes in the NFL.
[51:13] Speaker 2: And now it's nothing. Like, they stink. They lost to
[51:17] Speaker 2: South Carolina. They're trying to get this transfer stuff going.
[51:20] Speaker 2: So you fire your coach now. This next year ain't
[51:22] Speaker 2: going to be much better. So, yeah, go see if
[51:24] Speaker 2: you can build Norfolk State a little bit. Get some
[51:26] Speaker 2: wins and then maybe go to there.
[51:28] Speaker 1: I would get my practice up and then maybe look
[51:30] Speaker 1: at that job. But I think the expectation is that. OK,
[51:35] Speaker 1: so I think that this is a college football thing
[51:37] Speaker 1: that I would love to see studied a little more.
[51:39] Speaker 1: If somebody could figure out a way to do something
[51:41] Speaker 1: with the data and they do some data on this.
[51:44] Speaker 1: But there are very few fertile recruiting areas that are
[51:48] Speaker 1: truly no man's land. And the Tidewater is one of them.
[51:51] Speaker 1: It's not close to any big school. Like for the longest,
[51:55] Speaker 1: it's no longer the case because like Old Dominion, these
[51:57] Speaker 1: schools have jumped up. But for the longest, the closest
[52:00] Speaker 1: FBS school to the Tidewater was East Carolina. Neither of
[52:04] Speaker 1: the like neither of the Virginia schools are actually geographically
[52:07] Speaker 1: close to the Tidewater. And so when Virginia Tech was
[52:12] Speaker 1: running things is because they were the ones that got
[52:14] Speaker 1: the players out of the Tidewater. When Mack Brown was
[52:17] Speaker 1: winning at North Carolina, he was getting dudes out of Tidewater.
[52:21] Speaker 1: Like whoever gets that all of a sudden has this
[52:23] Speaker 1: spike in their fortune. So my guess is that Virginia
[52:26] Speaker 1: Tech looks at it. Mike will walk out every player
[52:29] Speaker 1: that he wants out of there. We get our money up, right?
[52:32] Speaker 1: Mike can go down there and then Mike can get
[52:34] Speaker 1: the players and then we'll be okay. And I hear you.
[52:40] Speaker 1: I'm just going to warn Mike about this because I
[52:42] Speaker 1: see what might happen here. OK, because, you know, Eddie
[52:45] Speaker 1: George is working at Tennessee State. Now he went and
[52:47] Speaker 1: took a job at Bowling Green.
[52:48] Speaker 2: Hey, Eddie might got this, man. He's pretty good.
[52:51] Speaker 1: He's good. He seems to be good. And the difference
[52:53] Speaker 1: between Tennessee State and the other black college jobs is
[52:57] Speaker 1: they're playing FCS. But I guess now other schools have
[52:59] Speaker 1: made this move, but they're playing FCS. um, at a
[53:02] Speaker 1: higher level, they were not playing in the swagger me act.
[53:04] Speaker 1: Like they were going against schools with a lot of
[53:06] Speaker 1: financial advantages over them and everything else. And he parlayed
[53:09] Speaker 1: that in the bowling green job. Um, I talked to
[53:11] Speaker 1: Eddie at the super bowl and he was like, look, man,
[53:14] Speaker 1: working here is a different kind of job, man. Like
[53:16] Speaker 1: this ain't Ohio state. He understood it, but he seemed to,
[53:19] Speaker 1: he seemed to understand what it was. He's also not
[53:22] Speaker 1: there anymore. Right. I don't know why he's not there anymore,
[53:25] Speaker 1: but he's not there anymore. I'm saying all that to say,
[53:28] Speaker 1: They're going to drive Mike a little bit crazy over
[53:30] Speaker 1: there at Norfolk State. I understand that. Like, if Deion
[53:32] Speaker 1: had left Jackson State and not been a jerk about it,
[53:35] Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said nothing. I know that they was
[53:37] Speaker 1: on some bullshit.
[53:39] Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what the bullshit was, but I
[53:41] Speaker 4: know it was some.
[53:42] Speaker 1: I understand you. And I'm just saying, Mike, don't let
[53:46] Speaker 1: the bullshit run you out before you get all the
[53:48] Speaker 1: game you need. You know what I'm saying?
[53:52] Speaker 2: Hey, it's a marathon. It's a marathon.
[53:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm telling you. Like, I know.
[53:56] Speaker 2: Let's just stack some wins.
[53:57] Speaker 1: I know they're going to be doing stuff down there.
[53:59] Speaker 1: You're not going to believe it. I understand that.
[54:01] Speaker 4: You might have to wash the clothes yourself.
[54:03] Speaker 1: I get that, too. But don't go too soon. Get
[54:07] Speaker 1: your game up. Then make the move.
[54:10] Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, I did not think that I was going
[54:12] Speaker 2: to hear a Tidewater reference on this podcast today. Someone...
[54:16] Speaker 2: Spent most of my life flipping between Maryland and North Carolina.
[54:19] Speaker 2: Got to tickle me a little bit. But, bro, it's
[54:21] Speaker 2: hard getting around out there. It's hard getting around out there.
[54:25] Speaker 2: There ain't shit. Like, I remember we were going to,
[54:29] Speaker 2: for my mom's birthday a couple years ago, we went
[54:31] Speaker 2: out to the Outer Banks for a couple days with
[54:34] Speaker 2: some family and friends. And my girlfriend, she was like, oh,
[54:36] Speaker 2: you know, I want to come down. I was thinking
[54:38] Speaker 2: about flying from New York. I'm like, just don't. Don't bother.
[54:42] Speaker 2: Because what I'm not about to do is go drive
[54:44] Speaker 2: an hour and a half one way to Virginia to
[54:47] Speaker 2: go pick your ass up and then drive an hour
[54:49] Speaker 2: and a half back just for two days. I'll tell you,
[54:51] Speaker 2: I couldn't make it. But it's really like that out there.
[54:53] Speaker 2: So if you can get them to come to you
[54:55] Speaker 2: instead of having to go to them. That'd be ideal.
[54:58] Speaker 1: The last thing we'll do here, I think you did
[55:01] Speaker 1: this on your podcast, so we can offer this up
[55:03] Speaker 1: on our podcast. And I don't know why this tickled
[55:05] Speaker 1: me so much, but tell the people what you thought
[55:07] Speaker 1: was going to happen after Michael Vick got arrested.
[55:11] Speaker 2: Oh, man. I thought that they were going to draft
[55:16] Speaker 2: Darren McFadden and hold down the fort until Mike Vick
[55:18] Speaker 2: got out of jail. But to be fair, I was
[55:22] Speaker 2: like 13 years. It was 2007, man. I was dumb
[55:25] Speaker 2: as hell. When that Matt Ryan pick came through, my
[55:30] Speaker 2: jaw dropped. I was like, what the hell? You guys
[55:34] Speaker 2: replaced Michael Vick that fast? And then Matt Ryan threw
[55:37] Speaker 2: a 64-yard touchdown pass on his first play, so things
[55:39] Speaker 2: were okay. You thought they were going to run it back.
[55:42] Speaker 2: I thought they were going to hold it down the
[55:44] Speaker 2: floor for him and keep the spot warm until he
[55:46] Speaker 2: got back. I had no idea how anything worked back then.
[55:51] Speaker 1: I don't know why that was so funny to me.
[55:53] Speaker 1: The way you said it the first time, he's like, Mike,
[55:55] Speaker 1: get out of jail.
[55:56] Speaker 2: We're just going to run it back. We got Darren McFadden.
[56:00] Speaker 2: He's going to be the next Adrian Peterson. Offensive line's
[56:03] Speaker 2: still pretty good. We're going to run for 4,000 yards
[56:05] Speaker 2: a year and maybe get to the Super Bowl.
[56:08] Speaker 1: You just treated it like Mike got hurt.
[56:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's kind of what it was.
[56:14] Speaker 1: You thought it was like back in the day Mike
[56:15] Speaker 1: went to fight in Korea and was just going to
[56:18] Speaker 1: come back after putting in his time and just get
[56:21] Speaker 1: back out there on the field.
[56:22] Speaker 2: Two years in federal prison might be a little bit
[56:24] Speaker 2: harder than Korea.
[56:27] Speaker 1: It's fair. It's fair. Man, they had that boy wearing
[56:32] Speaker 1: actual fascial stripes.
[56:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. He was in.
[56:38] Speaker 1: He was in jail for real. I will say this
[56:40] Speaker 1: about Darren McFadden right fast. You know, I have to
[56:43] Speaker 1: remember now that the years are passing. We're not at
[56:46] Speaker 1: the point where Darren McFadden is a guy that it
[56:48] Speaker 1: feels like there aren't that many of them left anymore
[56:50] Speaker 1: because the forecasting game has gotten so different. But hey, man.
[56:55] Speaker 1: There's some of y'all who of a certain age that
[56:57] Speaker 1: you do not understand that that was a stone cold monster.
[57:04] Speaker 1: My goodness.
[57:05] Speaker 2: That backfield. They had Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis too.
[57:08] Speaker 2: That was crazy, man. Crazy. The hype was crazy.
[57:16] Speaker 1: Tim Tebow should have been a zero-time Heisman Trophy winner
[57:19] Speaker 1: because after Arkansas won that game against the eventual national
[57:24] Speaker 1: champions who Darren McFadden ran for 200-something yards on a
[57:26] Speaker 1: rivalry weekend, there's your Heisman Trophy winner right there. Sorry, guys.
[57:32] Speaker 1: He was the runner-up the year before. He should have
[57:35] Speaker 1: got that Heisman that year. Absolutely should have.
[57:41] Speaker 2: One of the things that I remember from that year
[57:43] Speaker 2: was that was– I think that was the same season
[57:47] Speaker 2: when Ronnie Brown with the Dolphins, like the Wildcat formation.
[57:51] Speaker 1: It was the year before Ronnie got on it. McFadden
[57:53] Speaker 1: was on it first. Right, right.
[57:55] Speaker 2: Because I couldn't remember if they happened at the same time.
[57:57] Speaker 2: But that is just such a simple but genius idea.
[58:02] Speaker 2: Why am I handing it up? Why am I handing
[58:03] Speaker 2: it to the quarterback? Just give it to Darren right
[58:04] Speaker 2: off the bat and let him go run.
[58:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing with him was, the thing is,
[58:08] Speaker 1: he was a high school quarterback. So there was a
[58:11] Speaker 1: minimal threat. that he might be able to do something.
[58:15] Speaker 1: That boy was cold. Boy, I also remember he's the
[58:18] Speaker 1: last guy that I remember where negative on his draft
[58:21] Speaker 1: stock was all these damn kids. That was the concern.
[58:26] Speaker 1: And I also remember my buddy Chris Carter. Chris Carter
[58:29] Speaker 1: was doing ESPN one day. He's like, no, you got
[58:31] Speaker 1: to understand. If you take Darren, he come to your team,
[58:34] Speaker 1: Little Rock.
[58:35] Speaker 2: Is coming with him. Oh, shit. The entire town. Entire city.
[58:46] Speaker 1: The entire town is coming with him. And they all kid. But, oh, man,
[58:50] Speaker 1: he was a beast. Like, maybe I need to figure
[58:52] Speaker 1: out a way we can come up with that series.
[58:54] Speaker 1: Just college beasts. Like, there's something special about a college beast.
[58:59] Speaker 1: That was just like, no, no, no, boys. Sometimes the
[59:02] Speaker 1: college beast wasn't even like an All-America beast. Like, we
[59:04] Speaker 1: talked about Greg Jones the other day at Florida State.
[59:06] Speaker 1: College beast.
[59:07] Speaker 2: Yep.
[59:08] Speaker 1: Flat-out college beast.
[59:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. DJ Shockley, he's still good with Georgia fans to
[59:13] Speaker 2: this day, man. Not the best quarterback they've had since then, but, man,
[59:18] Speaker 2: just held down.
[59:20] Speaker 1: Somehow, the last black starting quarterback at the University of Georgia. Yeah.
[59:29] Speaker 1: Dan Newton. Deshaun Watson? No, no, no. We don't really
[59:32] Speaker 1: have a place for you guys to play quarterback. They
[59:35] Speaker 1: had a place for him just behind Jake Fromm.
[59:38] Speaker 2: They had this kid after Fields left. Right before Fields
[59:42] Speaker 2: and right after Fields. He was a backup. His name
[59:44] Speaker 2: was DeJuan Mathis and Yes. That's one of those guys
[59:46] Speaker 2: you can't even lie to yourself about. You try to
[59:52] Speaker 2: clean up some of the language around black quarterbacks, and
[59:54] Speaker 2: you watch someone like, man, man.
[59:57] Speaker 1: He was on tilt. He was on tilt. He was
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: out there like, I don't quite know what to do.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: He was a worse version of this, but when Jalen
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: Milrow was so mad because Bill O'Brien said he was
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: a running back and not a quarterback, and I was like, yeah,
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: that was... messed up. Not that I've ever said that
[1:00:20] Speaker 1: exact same thing. But it's because you're so good at running. Yeah.
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: That's what happened.
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: What the hell were we talking about today? I don't
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: even remember how we got here.
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: We got here because you thought that Michael Vick was
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: going to come back out of jail to play with
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: Darren McFadden. And then Darren McFadden got us to... Actually,
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: now I don't even know. But I do know that
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: your name is Charles McDonald. And you can check him out. Also,
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: with our other friend of the program, Nate Tice, on
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: Football 301, podcast for Yahoo Sports. My brother, I appreciate
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: you joining us here.
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. I actually got one more little Raiders thing
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: from that era.
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: The most famous football player from my high school is
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: Darius Hayward-Bey. And he used to come back during some
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: of the summer workouts, and I got to say, he
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: was not the nicest guy to us. He was very passionate,
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: very passionate about our high school football team, but he
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: was not the nicest guy. So when we started dropping passes,
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: we did keep track of them one season. Yeah, because...
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: kept track. It was very funny.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: I need to ask Dominique. No, Dominique did not play
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: with Darius Hayward-Bey. Oh, that's unfortunate. I would have been
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: curious to know what Dominique had to say about him.
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: Damn.
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: But my brother, I appreciate you. And ladies and gentlemen,
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