# Adam Silver's NBA tanking problem. USA wins gold vs. Canada, Floyd Mayweather back? | 02.23

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 23 Feb 2026, 55 min.

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Bomani Jones breaks down the NBA’s tanking problem and explains why the real issue might be that the regular season just doesn’t feel like it matters anymore. He also dives into USA Hockey’s gold medal moment, why America’s relationship with hockey is actually healthy, and what makes certain sports hit differently culturally. Plus, Floyd Mayweather’s return, Sam Altman’s wild AI comments abd TSA PreCheck chaos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:10] Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:19] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:22] Speaker 1: a hater. We're going to talk about the hockey in
[0:26] Speaker 1: a little while.
[0:29] Speaker 2: Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?
[0:31] Speaker 1: It's a real hacksaw Jim Duggan sort of situation right
[0:34] Speaker 1: now with that. But anyway, we're going to talk about that.
[0:36] Speaker 1: But first, Brian, I can't remember. I think we talked
[0:40] Speaker 1: about this in the last show. I can't remember if
[0:42] Speaker 1: I explicitly made the point, but you know. The NBA's
[0:44] Speaker 1: got this problem, which is we be trying to, and
[0:47] Speaker 1: I know we talked about this, we be trying to
[0:48] Speaker 1: shake off that football Jones.
[0:50] Speaker 3: Yes.
[0:50] Speaker 4: Right.
[0:51] Speaker 1: And then all we typically get was the dog shit
[0:54] Speaker 1: of the NBA all-star game.
[0:57] Speaker 5: Right.
[0:57] Speaker 1: And that just doesn't do enough. And that leads to everybody. Like,
[1:00] Speaker 1: it's just the time to, the NBA is not what
[1:03] Speaker 1: people want at that moment. And so it becomes an
[1:06] Speaker 1: opportunity for people to project all their unhappiness on onto
[1:09] Speaker 1: the NBA for reasons that don't really have that much
[1:12] Speaker 1: to do about the NBA, except the NBA be making
[1:16] Speaker 1: it easy.
[1:16] Speaker 6: Right?
[1:17] Speaker 1: So if there's anything we know about the NBA, you
[1:20] Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here. I think I've talked
[1:22] Speaker 1: about this before. Also, um, The commissioner of the NBA
[1:26] Speaker 1: is real online. So like y'all get online and start
[1:30] Speaker 1: talking about what kind of things y'all think or something
[1:32] Speaker 1: needs to be changed.
[1:33] Speaker 2: Don't you worry. Adam Silver will hear you.
[1:36] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:36] Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that there will be changes, but
[1:39] Speaker 1: you get to talk it in your podcast.
[1:41] Speaker 2: Or on threads even perhaps.
[1:43] Speaker 1: And the NBA is going to have some sort of
[1:45] Speaker 1: response or at the very least, they're going to say
[1:48] Speaker 1: something to you. Right.
[1:49] Speaker 3: So you have to imagine that the NBA almost gets
[1:51] Speaker 3: like these briefs of the people's tags. Yes. Whose job
[1:56] Speaker 3: is it? Right.
[1:56] Speaker 2: Who works, who works in the podcast research department?
[2:01] Speaker 3: There's certainly somebody.
[2:02] Speaker 2: Well, you know, Bill Simmons on his show the other day,
[2:05] Speaker 2: he said, dot, dot, dot.
[2:07] Speaker 3: Right.
[2:07] Speaker 1: But anyway, Adam Silver has heard us loud and clear
[2:11] Speaker 1: about the tanking thing. And according to Shams Rania, there
[2:18] Speaker 1: are seven potential anti-tanking rule changes that are on the table.
[2:23] Speaker 1: I am going to read them all off to you
[2:25] Speaker 1: because I want you to see if you get the
[2:26] Speaker 1: same conclusion that I have received after reading the seven.
[2:30] Speaker 1: First one is that first round picks can be protected
[2:34] Speaker 1: only top four or top 14 plus. So for those
[2:39] Speaker 1: of you who don't understand what this is about, and
[2:41] Speaker 1: by those of you I'm referring to my mother, um,
[2:45] Speaker 1: You can trade first round picks in the NBA with caveats.
[2:50] Speaker 1: It's a 2027 first round pick. If that pick is
[2:56] Speaker 1: in the top eight, the team trading the pick away.
[3:01] Speaker 2: Gets to keep it.
[3:02] Speaker 1: But if it's outside the top eight, then the pick
[3:05] Speaker 1: has to be traded. And if it's not like the
[3:09] Speaker 1: top eight, then there's a second round pick next year
[3:13] Speaker 1: that conveys in order to make the trade work. It's
[3:16] Speaker 1: a way to kind of like minimize the risk of
[3:19] Speaker 1: trading away a first round pick and give picks kind
[3:21] Speaker 1: of a sliding value because of the way the NBA
[3:24] Speaker 1: salary cap works. Picks are very important currency in order
[3:29] Speaker 1: to make trades work. The nature of what it means
[3:32] Speaker 1: when you trade away a star player, you're in effect
[3:34] Speaker 1: starting over. So you want like, more opportunities to help
[3:38] Speaker 1: you with the rebuild, right? More supplies. It's like a
[3:41] Speaker 1: gift card to Home Depot. You understand what I'm saying?
[3:44] Speaker 1: But it can't just be a blank check to Home Depot.
[3:48] Speaker 3: Okay.
[3:49] Speaker 1: Number two, lottery odds freeze at the trade deadline or
[3:53] Speaker 1: a later date. Ryan, I understand why people think that
[3:56] Speaker 1: this is a good idea. This is a horrendous idea.
[3:58] Speaker 3: It's a horrendous idea.
[4:00] Speaker 7: Right, right.
[4:00] Speaker 1: You're just changing what it is that people are going
[4:02] Speaker 1: to be throwing games.
[4:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, like I... We don't, like, the idea that people
[4:07] Speaker 3: tanking during football season when no one's watching. Yes. The
[4:11] Speaker 3: idea that that's better makes no sense.
[4:12] Speaker 1: If you put this provision in, Laurie Marketing would not
[4:15] Speaker 1: have played a game until, like, now.
[4:18] Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
[4:19] Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, no, no. This is a horrendous idea.
[4:21] Speaker 1: Number three, no longer allowing a team to pick top
[4:23] Speaker 1: four in consecutive years and or consecutive bottom three finishes.
[4:29] Speaker 2: I am okay with this idea, right?
[4:32] Speaker 1: Right. First of all, we have to stop pretending as
[4:34] Speaker 1: though the purpose of the draft is to redistribute talent.
[4:37] Speaker 1: The purpose of the draft is to keep salaries low
[4:39] Speaker 1: and to maintain control over players with a secondary benefit
[4:44] Speaker 1: being the redistribution of talent. It is not a fundamental
[4:49] Speaker 1: purpose of the draft. It is a secondary notion that
[4:52] Speaker 1: has been added to justify the indefensible practice of having
[4:56] Speaker 1: a draft in the first place.
[4:58] Speaker 2: That's how it works. So anyway, I say all that
[5:00] Speaker 2: to say there is no.
[5:02] Speaker 1: Birthright that says that just because you sorry, you deserve
[5:05] Speaker 1: to get an early pick. A pick that, by the way,
[5:08] Speaker 1: you'd probably fuck up anyway. We might be saving some
[5:12] Speaker 1: kids by doing this actually, right? They getting sent to
[5:15] Speaker 1: the wrong foster homes and they still turn out to be,
[5:18] Speaker 1: you know, you.
[5:19] Speaker 3: Understand what I'm saying.
[5:20] Speaker 1: Anyway, number four, teams can't pick top four the year
[5:24] Speaker 1: after making the conference finals, which feels like a provision
[5:27] Speaker 1: that is specifically geared toward this year's Indiana Pacers. Correct.
[5:33] Speaker 7: Right?
[5:33] Speaker 1: So you had a good player get hurt and it
[5:36] Speaker 1: messes up your whole season.
[5:38] Speaker 2: You're not just going to take this whole thing away.
[5:40] Speaker 1: This would also have applied to the 2020 Golden State Warriors.
[5:45] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. Talk about someone who didn't
[5:49] Speaker 3: do anything with those picks either.
[5:50] Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say.
[5:52] Speaker 3: They don't seem to know how to do this either. Yeah.
[5:54] Speaker 1: Number five, lottery odds allocated based on two-year records.
[6:00] Speaker 2: I kind of see what you're saying. I don't think
[6:02] Speaker 2: this will help you.
[6:02] Speaker 3: Sounds complicated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[6:04] Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to help.
[6:05] Speaker 1: Number six, the lottery extended to include all play-in teams.
[6:11] Speaker 8: Okay.
[6:11] Speaker 1: I mean, that's basically saying you're disincentivizing the idea of
[6:15] Speaker 1: trying to tank out of the play-in.
[6:17] Speaker 3: Right.
[6:18] Speaker 2: Okay.
[6:19] Speaker 3: Get that.
[6:19] Speaker 1: And number seven, flatten odds for all lottery teams. This
[6:23] Speaker 1: is what the lottery used to be, right? One envelope,
[6:27] Speaker 1: For every team, pull one out and then you go
[6:30] Speaker 1: from there. And it would always be the Clippers who
[6:32] Speaker 1: were so sorry, but would never get the number one pick,
[6:35] Speaker 1: except the one time they got the number one pick,
[6:37] Speaker 1: they got a dude that was really cold, but couldn't
[6:39] Speaker 1: stay healthy, who they eventually traded for Dominique Wilkins.
[6:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[6:46] Speaker 2: Anyway, the idea behind flattening the.
[6:48] Speaker 1: Odds on the lottery is it disincentivizes tanking because there's
[6:52] Speaker 1: no reason for you to be abject.
[6:54] Speaker 2: If you're in the lottery, you are then just in
[6:57] Speaker 2: the lottery. I mean, I can.
[7:00] Speaker 3: Live with that.
[7:01] Speaker 1: Like I say, it was a world that was like that.
[7:04] Speaker 1: The NBA, though, is notoriously reactive. Like, I don't know
[7:07] Speaker 1: if you remember this one, Ryan. So in 92, the
[7:10] Speaker 1: Magic won the lottery.
[7:11] Speaker 2: They draft the Shaq.
[7:13] Speaker 1: The next year, they were the number nine seed in
[7:17] Speaker 1: the East. The way the lottery worked at that time
[7:22] Speaker 1: was a pyramid. The worst team, I think, got 15
[7:25] Speaker 1: ping pong balls, next 14, 13, 12, 11.
[7:29] Speaker 2: All the way down.
[7:30] Speaker 1: As I recall, there were 66 ping pong balls in there.
[7:33] Speaker 1: The Magic had one out of the 66 ping pong balls.
[7:36] Speaker 1: The Magic won the lottery. Meaning that Shaquille O'Neal got
[7:41] Speaker 1: to be paired with Penny Hart the way it turned out.
[7:44] Speaker 3: Yeah. They immediately changed the lottery.
[7:47] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[7:47] Speaker 8: Right?
[7:48] Speaker 1: Like, this is what they're good for. An outlier result happens.
[7:51] Speaker 1: And all these sports are like this.
[7:52] Speaker 2: An outlier result happens, and now suddenly the BCS.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Was notorious for operating like this, right? Something weird happens,
[8:00] Speaker 1: and you never give the system a chance.
[8:01] Speaker 3: Then the formula changes, or one pole's thrown out all
[8:04] Speaker 3: the time, right? Yes, yes.
[8:06] Speaker 2: I ran all seven of those things off just to
[8:09] Speaker 2: make this point. They don't know what to do. They're
[8:14] Speaker 2: just like, who's got ideas? Just throw stuff out here.
[8:20] Speaker 1: We'll see if we can come up with something because
[8:22] Speaker 1: we have this problem with tanking. And tanking is a
[8:27] Speaker 1: reflection of what I believe is a larger problem. And
[8:32] Speaker 1: maybe I'm overestimating or under... I'm estimating in the wrong way.
[8:38] Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure how to express it, but this
[8:40] Speaker 1: is what I'm saying here. I think there's a larger problem,
[8:45] Speaker 1: but even if the larger problem is corrected to a degree,
[8:49] Speaker 1: perhaps tanking still exists. Now, what I am going to
[8:53] Speaker 1: say is the larger problem. And I think is like
[8:57] Speaker 1: tanking is a great.
[8:58] Speaker 2: Talk show topic.
[9:00] Speaker 1: I also think that tanking matters on the level that
[9:02] Speaker 1: we don't talk enough about, which is you still charge
[9:05] Speaker 1: people money to come.
[9:06] Speaker 2: Watch these games.
[9:09] Speaker 1: You have an obligation to offer something to your paying customers.
[9:15] Speaker 1: And like Mark Cuban had a thing where he talked
[9:17] Speaker 1: about your fans will understand that you're trying to lose. No,
[9:21] Speaker 1: I think that that's a very particular strain of online,
[9:25] Speaker 1: I want to be the GM fans that really appreciate it.
[9:29] Speaker 1: I think that people ultimately understand it. But if you
[9:33] Speaker 1: want me to pay money to come to your arena,
[9:36] Speaker 1: And I would like I think people would like to
[9:38] Speaker 1: pay money to come to your arena.
[9:40] Speaker 2: You can't just be out here like we give up.
[9:42] Speaker 2: We don't care.
[9:42] Speaker 5: Right.
[9:43] Speaker 2: But I think the league has a larger problem.
[9:47] Speaker 1: And that is the perception that the regular season doesn't matter.
[9:51] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
[9:53] Speaker 1: It's a perception that it doesn't matter.
[9:55] Speaker 2: If you're good.
[9:56] Speaker 3: It's a perception.
[9:57] Speaker 1: That it doesn't matter if you're bad. That it simply
[10:01] Speaker 1: does not matter. That's the part the league has to fix.
[10:09] Speaker 1: And how the league got here to me is really,
[10:13] Speaker 1: really interesting. Because 10 years ago, the regular season Really,
[10:19] Speaker 1: really mattered. And 15 years ago, old buddy, did the
[10:24] Speaker 1: regular season ever matter? Look, I know we're at a
[10:28] Speaker 1: point where I ain't got that many people who won't
[10:31] Speaker 1: be able to say that they remember this, but the
[10:35] Speaker 1: LeBron Miami Heat, four years, every game they played mattered.
[10:45] Speaker 1: We were doing A1s on television shows basically every time
[10:50] Speaker 1: the Heat played, unless it was a football game that
[10:54] Speaker 1: same day.
[10:55] Speaker 3: Every game was a referendum of that team, the team
[10:59] Speaker 3: decision they all made. Yes. LeBron's legacy. What LeBron's going
[11:04] Speaker 3: to do next. Yeah.
[11:05] Speaker 1: For four years, every single game mattered. And then when
[11:13] Speaker 1: that was over, we wound up with this weird thing
[11:16] Speaker 1: after that was over. LeBron leaves and goes to Cleveland,
[11:20] Speaker 1: and we think that's going to be the story because
[11:22] Speaker 1: we've got LeBron, we got Kyrie, they got Kevin Love, right?
[11:27] Speaker 1: That was going to be the story. And then the
[11:29] Speaker 1: Warriors happened. And then the Warriors had that year. They
[11:32] Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. I mean, keep it in mind,
[11:34] Speaker 1: they fired a coach who brought them back to relevance.
[11:37] Speaker 1: That seemed like Joe Lacob, you know, I don't think
[11:41] Speaker 1: I've said it out loud, but, you know, I wondered.
[11:45] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[11:46] Speaker 3: You considered?
[11:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[11:49] Speaker 1: It was a hypothesis worth testing. And then they won
[11:54] Speaker 1: 67 games. And it was like, oh, my bad. I
[11:59] Speaker 1: didn't understand what it was. But the next year they
[12:02] Speaker 1: won 73. The regular season really mattered. Them winning 73
[12:07] Speaker 1: games mattered enough that Kobe's last game was on ESPN2.
[12:13] Speaker 1: And the Warriors trying to break the Bulls record was
[12:15] Speaker 1: on ESPN. And then the combination of them losing in
[12:20] Speaker 1: the finals to the Cavs, plus them signing Kevin Durant
[12:23] Speaker 1: immediately after, and the regular season has not mattered since.
[12:27] Speaker 3: Right?
[12:28] Speaker 1: Like, what would the Warriors record had to have been
[12:31] Speaker 1: in 2017? for people to really think they weren't going
[12:35] Speaker 1: to win a championship. I mean, I was on some, hey, man,
[12:37] Speaker 1: you never know, right? Nah, man, nobody else was going
[12:41] Speaker 1: for that. No one else gave that the credulity, I
[12:45] Speaker 1: believe that is the word, that I gave that.
[12:47] Speaker 3: It's not even that they were just good. They were good,
[12:50] Speaker 3: and they were historically good off the jump, and they
[12:54] Speaker 3: were still good at defense, too.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, you just couldn't talk yourself out of it.
[12:59] Speaker 1: It was just really difficult to talk yourself into thinking
[13:01] Speaker 1: anything that happened mattered in terms of determining who the
[13:05] Speaker 1: champion was going to be. And it happened in a
[13:09] Speaker 1: manner that people found to be somewhat distasteful. Like nobody
[13:13] Speaker 1: did anything wrong there. What was Kevin Durant supposed to say?
[13:16] Speaker 2: No, man, ain't too good. Why would I do that?
[13:18] Speaker 2: What were the Warriors supposed to say?
[13:19] Speaker 3: I'm going to sit here and hang out with a
[13:22] Speaker 3: triple-double-cone cane bear. Yes, yes.
[13:24] Speaker 5: Right.
[13:25] Speaker 2: What were the Warriors supposed to say?
[13:26] Speaker 3: Hold on, man. That won't be fair to the other kids.
[13:29] Speaker 5: Right?
[13:29] Speaker 2: Like, no, no. It was the move, but.
[13:34] Speaker 1: It didn't feel like the regular season mattered that much
[13:37] Speaker 1: when LeBron and Anthony Davis got together. It was somewhat interesting,
[13:42] Speaker 1: like when Chris Paul went to Phoenix and they popped up.
[13:46] Speaker 3: The Brooklyn Nets experience. Yeah. That 2020 year when they
[13:49] Speaker 3: brought Harden in.
[13:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm asking this. What would it take in 2026?
[13:57] Speaker 1: What would have to happen to make NBA regular season like, hey,
[14:03] Speaker 1: this game is happening tonight, and this is the thing?
[14:09] Speaker 2: I don't know. What winning streak would have to happen?
[14:11] Speaker 1: If a team had a 19-game winning streak, Are people
[14:15] Speaker 1: waking up every morning to find out if they won
[14:18] Speaker 1: the game they played the night before?
[14:19] Speaker 2: I don't think they are.
[14:21] Speaker 9: Right.
[14:21] Speaker 1: Like I thought I think about this in the context
[14:24] Speaker 1: of baseball, because this isn't just an NBA problem. This
[14:26] Speaker 1: isn't everybody but the NFL problem.
[14:28] Speaker 3: Right.
[14:29] Speaker 1: And it's been a long time since we've had a
[14:31] Speaker 1: super long hitting streak. How many games of a hitting
[14:35] Speaker 1: streak would somebody have to get to for us to care?
[14:38] Speaker 1: So there are hitting streaks that I can remember in
[14:40] Speaker 1: my lifetime. I don't remember the Pete Rose 44 game
[14:44] Speaker 1: hitting streak, right? But my dad and my brother were
[14:46] Speaker 1: actually at the game. in Atlanta when it ended, right?
[14:49] Speaker 1: But the fact that I can tell you the number
[14:51] Speaker 1: of games and I remember it, that tells you what
[14:54] Speaker 1: the magnitude of that was. I believe in 1987, Benito Santiago.
[14:59] Speaker 2: Had a 34-game hitting streak as a rookie.
[15:03] Speaker 1: And Paul Molitor, it was either 38 or 39.
[15:06] Speaker 2: But I can remember these numbers, right?
[15:12] Speaker 1: Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak was a thing. If somebody
[15:17] Speaker 1: had a 45-game hitting.
[15:18] Speaker 2: Streak, would we care? You know what I mean? Like,
[15:22] Speaker 2: does that break through? If somebody was.
[15:25] Speaker 1: Hitting 390 going into September, does that break through?
[15:32] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[15:34] Speaker 1: Like, I don't know at all what would have to
[15:35] Speaker 1: happen in the NBA. Like, average triple-double-four season, we've seen that.
[15:41] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[15:43] Speaker 1: Would somebody have to be like, yo, what if somebody
[15:45] Speaker 1: was averaging 40 points a game?
[15:47] Speaker 2: Does that break through?
[15:49] Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that breaks through, but
[15:52] Speaker 1: that to me is really the larger NBA issue because
[15:55] Speaker 1: as a result, the only NBA thing that.
[15:59] Speaker 2: Matters is tanking.
[16:03] Speaker 5: Right?
[16:04] Speaker 2: Like, look.
[16:05] Speaker 1: We have two really big building rivalries that are going
[16:09] Speaker 1: to matter in the postseason, I believe. In the West,
[16:11] Speaker 1: it's San Antonio and Oklahoma City. And in the East,
[16:14] Speaker 1: it is Detroit and New York, right? Teams that actively
[16:18] Speaker 1: dislike each other and are also, all four, I would argue,
[16:23] Speaker 1: independently compelling.
[16:25] Speaker 3: And strong fan bases who care. Yes, yes.
[16:31] Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the idea of tanking more
[16:34] Speaker 1: than that just because of the declining significance of the
[16:38] Speaker 1: regular season. And I don't have an answer for the
[16:41] Speaker 1: NBA about how exactly you go about getting to the
[16:44] Speaker 1: place of making people care.
[16:46] Speaker 2: You know what?
[16:47] Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to throw it out
[16:49] Speaker 1: there like it's a full-on idea per se, but I'm
[16:51] Speaker 1: going to throw it out there.
[16:52] Speaker 2: Now, Ryan, how much do you care about, what do
[16:57] Speaker 2: you call it, NASCAR?
[16:59] Speaker 3: Two out of ten. Okay.
[17:03] Speaker 1: Do you know what they have a tendency to do
[17:09] Speaker 1: periodically when NASCAR interest is low? You know what they
[17:16] Speaker 1: always suggest that people do?
[17:19] Speaker 3: I'm not sure where you're going with this, but let's
[17:21] Speaker 3: find out together.
[17:23] Speaker 2: Bring back fighting. A little bit more paint swapping.
[17:30] Speaker 1: Cats on Victory Lane, Victory Road, whatever they call it,
[17:35] Speaker 1: engaged in this.
[17:36] Speaker 3: NASCAR, underrated fighting sport. Yes, it is.
[17:38] Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
[17:38] Speaker 1: And fighting in a very interesting sense. It's like, you know,
[17:43] Speaker 1: they're coming in, they're like Floyd Mayweather. You know what
[17:45] Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like they're the 147s, right? That's what they
[17:49] Speaker 1: out there doing.
[17:50] Speaker 3: And it is an interesting fight. It's like, you almost
[17:52] Speaker 3: killed me with your car. What's getting in? White fisticuffs. Yes.
[17:57] Speaker 1: Like, did you see that clip we're having a clip
[18:02] Speaker 1: but that Miami Memphis game where Miami's beating the dog
[18:06] Speaker 1: shit out of Memphis and some dude from Miami ran
[18:10] Speaker 1: into Scottie Pippen Jr.
[18:11] Speaker 2: From behind and took him out Scottie Pippen Jr.
[18:14] Speaker 3: It was so.
[18:15] Speaker 1: Funny because he got up and he just kind of
[18:18] Speaker 1: it looked like he just shook it off right like
[18:21] Speaker 1: he got.
[18:21] Speaker 2: Up and was just like and then he went he.
[18:26] Speaker 3: Was ready for the ruckus ready to go.
[18:28] Speaker 1: It felt great It felt great. It was good to
[18:34] Speaker 1: know that somebody was about that action.
[18:37] Speaker 3: Right.
[18:39] Speaker 1: Show me that you care. Isaiah Stewart, I know that
[18:44] Speaker 1: he cares. Fighting in the regular season is how you
[18:48] Speaker 1: show me that you care. That's all we need is
[18:53] Speaker 1: some reason to believe that these games matter, right? rings
[18:59] Speaker 1: culture is a big problem in this also right everybody's
[19:03] Speaker 1: playing everybody's playing for a championship.
[19:07] Speaker 2: And you know i understand right.
[19:11] Speaker 1: Everybody's playing for a championship everybody thinks they could be
[19:14] Speaker 1: a champion most of y'all just need to be out
[19:16] Speaker 1: here for a good time.
[19:18] Speaker 2: That's what we're really here for.
[19:19] Speaker 1: Especially when the checks are so large yeah i'm talking
[19:23] Speaker 1: about like his fans yeah Yeah, we're just here for a.
[19:25] Speaker 2: Good time, man. Make the games matter.
[19:29] Speaker 1: Make this something to stay consistently in our lives. Don't
[19:33] Speaker 1: make the only way that you can enjoy this is
[19:38] Speaker 1: if you start thinking like corporate. Well, if you look
[19:42] Speaker 1: at our projections for what we're going to do in
[19:44] Speaker 1: year 2027, I think we're.
[19:46] Speaker 2: Really on the... No, no, no.
[19:47] Speaker 1: The here and now has to matter. The here and
[19:50] Speaker 1: now has to feel like something here and now has
[19:51] Speaker 1: got to be important and i just wish i had
[19:54] Speaker 1: an answer for you on how to solve that i
[19:57] Speaker 1: don't know what it is i don't know but you
[19:59] Speaker 1: got to have that because otherwise we just gonna be
[20:01] Speaker 1: talking about tanking every year because they always gonna find
[20:03] Speaker 1: a way to tank You know, Ryan, I was in
[20:13] Speaker 1: Canada last weekend during the during the wider Olympics.
[20:18] Speaker 2: And it's very interesting.
[20:20] Speaker 1: Being in a place during the wider Olympics where they
[20:24] Speaker 1: don't call them the wider Olympics up there. They just
[20:26] Speaker 1: call them the Olympics.
[20:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, the Olympics. Yeah.
[20:29] Speaker 2: In Canada, those.
[20:30] Speaker 1: Are the real Olympics, right? That is their time to shine.
[20:36] Speaker 3: What's this track bullshit?
[20:37] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[20:38] Speaker 2: They're like, man, you got us out here rooting for
[20:39] Speaker 2: these Jamaicans. You know what I'm saying? They're like, no,
[20:42] Speaker 2: this is our shit.
[20:43] Speaker 1: They got the, the, the, they, they, they do the hockey.
[20:46] Speaker 1: They got the curling. You know what I'm saying?
[20:48] Speaker 4: They do.
[20:49] Speaker 3: They got the running up skis uphill.
[20:50] Speaker 1: They've got all their things, man. It is their jam.
[20:54] Speaker 1: Like in the elevator, it was a sign. I was like, yo,
[20:57] Speaker 1: this is all the stuff from the Olympics that they're
[21:00] Speaker 1: going to be showing at the bars at different times.
[21:03] Speaker 2: Like, like it was a, it was a thing, man.
[21:06] Speaker 1: Um, And so I am fascinated kind of sort of
[21:10] Speaker 1: by the idea of Team Canada and hockey. I don't
[21:12] Speaker 1: know if fascinated is the right way to put it.
[21:14] Speaker 1: But I think for those of us who are just
[21:16] Speaker 1: kind of aware of hockey, I.
[21:18] Speaker 2: Don't think we I don't think a lot of.
[21:20] Speaker 1: People properly or fully appreciate. Like hockey really is theirs.
[21:29] Speaker 1: The NHL, we can't tell because they just all white
[21:32] Speaker 1: folks to us. So unless you got all the consonants
[21:35] Speaker 1: in your name, we don't really understand that those is
[21:38] Speaker 1: Canadians out there.
[21:42] Speaker 2: That's a league full of Canadians.
[21:46] Speaker 1: As a result, Team Canada in hockey is very similar
[21:50] Speaker 1: to Team USA in basketball.
[21:53] Speaker 2: The difference is in Canada, they actually like the hockey team.
[21:59] Speaker 3: Right.
[22:00] Speaker 1: Like when they win, they celebrate with the same fervor
[22:04] Speaker 1: with which.
[22:05] Speaker 2: They ruminate in the event of a loss.
[22:08] Speaker 3: Right.
[22:08] Speaker 2: It's a it's it's a thing for them.
[22:11] Speaker 1: And so I saw it was played against the United States.
[22:15] Speaker 1: And I'll never forget this because, you know, I used
[22:16] Speaker 1: to do work for a company called The Score. That
[22:19] Speaker 1: was based out of Toronto. It was in 2010. And
[22:21] Speaker 1: that was the year that Vancouver hosted. The open ceremony,
[22:28] Speaker 1: the the the the the wider Olympics. And I remember
[22:31] Speaker 1: watching the closing ceremony and I did not realize like
[22:35] Speaker 1: how much Canada thought about us until I watched those
[22:39] Speaker 1: closing ceremonies. I mean, they really all the jokes were
[22:42] Speaker 1: just kind of about what Americans think of Canada.
[22:45] Speaker 5: Right.
[22:45] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[22:46] Speaker 2: All of that was the case right like there's.
[22:49] Speaker 3: A little bit of alabama auburn to usa canada for
[22:51] Speaker 3: sure yeah yeah or michigan michigan state like something like
[22:55] Speaker 3: that yeah yeah yeah.
[22:55] Speaker 1: They they they give us a lot of thought and
[22:58] Speaker 1: it's nothing personal but we don't you're correct it don't
[23:03] Speaker 1: it don't it don't really come up you know and
[23:05] Speaker 1: part of it is most of them live close to
[23:07] Speaker 1: a border with us and yeah Relatively speaking, we don't. Anyway,
[23:12] Speaker 1: it's a thing for them. But they hockey team, they really, really,
[23:15] Speaker 1: really care about that. And I saw that Sidney Crosby
[23:17] Speaker 1: was not going to be playing, but they had a
[23:19] Speaker 1: whole other team full of Canadians, right?
[23:21] Speaker 2: So they probably should have been okay.
[23:23] Speaker 1: And another factor that's very important is that it's just
[23:26] Speaker 1: the fact that they think about us.
[23:28] Speaker 2: They're not really fucking with us right now.
[23:30] Speaker 3: No.
[23:31] Speaker 2: They're not.
[23:32] Speaker 3: No, they do not.
[23:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[23:33] Speaker 1: The whole Trump thing and tariff thing and all kinds
[23:37] Speaker 1: of other stuff. Like, I didn't feel no glares or
[23:40] Speaker 1: nothing like that when I was up there in Canada.
[23:42] Speaker 2: But let's be honest. They know it ain't my fault. Like,
[23:44] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[23:47] Speaker 3: They all some enemy of my enemy type situation with me.
[23:50] Speaker 2: At least that's the presumption that they making. I don't know.
[23:53] Speaker 1: I don't know how they was treating the other, the
[23:55] Speaker 1: American whites.
[23:56] Speaker 2: For me, they probably looking at me like, sup, brother bad.
[23:59] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, they see what time
[24:02] Speaker 2: it is.
[24:03] Speaker 1: But anyway, I guarantee you they were unhappy that the
[24:06] Speaker 1: USA brought home that gold.
[24:10] Speaker 3: In that hockey match.
[24:11] Speaker 2: I ain't even looked.
[24:12] Speaker 1: I can just promise you there are none to please
[24:15] Speaker 1: up there in Canada about that. But it wasn't off
[24:19] Speaker 1: of an odd man rush.
[24:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so the overtime specifically is three on three.
[24:25] Speaker 3: So it's just like.
[24:26] Speaker 2: Which is incredible, by the way.
[24:28] Speaker 3: Yes, it's incredible. It's fast paced. It's really opened up.
[24:31] Speaker 3: And it was a classic, you know, like a hockey
[24:33] Speaker 3: soccer match where the real nerd stats really favored Canada,
[24:37] Speaker 3: like expected goals and all that stuff.
[24:39] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[24:40] Speaker 3: But, you know, us gritty Americans just found a way
[24:42] Speaker 3: to pull off a victory on a counterattack and ended
[24:45] Speaker 3: up winning the gold 2-1 first gold in 46 years.
[24:49] Speaker 2: And didn't they have a five-on-three penalty kill?
[24:52] Speaker 5: Yes.
[24:53] Speaker 2: Against team Canada.
[24:54] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[24:55] Speaker 3: Again, they supposed.
[24:57] Speaker 2: To win every year.
[25:00] Speaker 3: Right.
[25:00] Speaker 2: That's how this goes. America's first goal since 1946. Is
[25:06] Speaker 2: that mean they stopped- It was in 1980, 46 years ago.
[25:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, 46 years ago.
[25:09] Speaker 2: Sorry.
[25:10] Speaker 1: It was 1980. And my question is, does that mean
[25:12] Speaker 1: that we can stop talking about that?
[25:15] Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't- Not to be dark, but-
[25:21] Speaker 3: Probably until someone very prominent in our industry.
[25:24] Speaker 2: Fair, fair, fair, fair.
[25:26] Speaker 1: The thing about the thing about the miracle on ice
[25:28] Speaker 1: is it's very difficult without the cold war, like being
[25:32] Speaker 1: present to explain like the U S Soviet union.
[25:36] Speaker 2: I mean, that really was Auburn, Alabama every day.
[25:40] Speaker 7: Yes.
[25:40] Speaker 1: For decades between two countries for 45 years.
[25:44] Speaker 2: We have with really big.
[25:45] Speaker 3: Bombs, right?
[25:46] Speaker 2: It was every day.
[25:47] Speaker 1: And they had like a team full of grownups, you know,
[25:50] Speaker 1: like they went, Here's something America doesn't really get the opportunity.
[25:55] Speaker 2: To be very often.
[25:56] Speaker 3: The underdogs. Underdogs.
[26:00] Speaker 5: Right?
[26:00] Speaker 1: We are giving points in just about every situation. Hockey
[26:07] Speaker 1: is a rare place, athletically, where America really is the
[26:11] Speaker 1: underdog in such a way where as long as they
[26:14] Speaker 1: don't tear up the hotel, Even our professionals, all they
[26:18] Speaker 1: got to do is really go out there and give it.
[26:20] Speaker 2: The old college try, and we'll be happy with it.
[26:23] Speaker 3: And when they win, it's always.
[26:26] Speaker 2: Emotional, right?
[26:27] Speaker 8: Right.
[26:28] Speaker 1: And any time we win, it winds up being an
[26:31] Speaker 1: emotional situation because, once again, this ain't really what we do.
[26:37] Speaker 3: No.
[26:38] Speaker 2: It ain't it, right?
[26:39] Speaker 1: And then we had the, what was my man's name?
[26:42] Speaker 1: Was it Johnny Gaudreau? yes right so if you hadn't
[26:45] Speaker 1: seen this a couple years ago hockey player he would
[26:47] Speaker 1: have been on this olympic team was cycling with his
[26:51] Speaker 1: brother got killed by a drunk driver and so his
[26:54] Speaker 1: kids are there for the game and they got his
[26:56] Speaker 1: jersey and they take the picture with it and everything
[26:58] Speaker 1: like that like if america's gonna win the gold in
[27:01] Speaker 1: hockey we gonna have.
[27:02] Speaker 4: A great story yeah great story around it right The
[27:08] Speaker 4: American soccer team is interesting because they done got to
[27:12] Speaker 4: the point.
[27:12] Speaker 2: You know what?
[27:13] Speaker 1: Here's how I say American hockey is right in the
[27:15] Speaker 1: sweet spot. They're good enough where you got a chance,
[27:20] Speaker 1: but not quite good enough that they're really going to
[27:23] Speaker 1: disappoint you.
[27:24] Speaker 3: Correct. It would have been a bummer, but it would
[27:27] Speaker 3: not have been a disappointing result like you as a basketball.
[27:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they rarely just go flat out
[27:35] Speaker 2: like shit to bed.
[27:36] Speaker 3: They're at the loser country that most people hadn't heard of. Yes, yes.
[27:39] Speaker 2: But if they don't win, it's okay. It kind of goes.
[27:43] Speaker 1: USA Soccer, they still ain't, like, they ain't got good
[27:48] Speaker 1: enough to where you could just, like, they are at the,
[27:52] Speaker 1: come on, guys.
[27:53] Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, what's the excuse here? They're at the point
[27:57] Speaker 3: now where they get, like, crap for not being like
[28:01] Speaker 3: American gritty hustle people enough.
[28:03] Speaker 2: Yes, and people want it really bad.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Like with the hockey team, you really only think about
[28:07] Speaker 1: it when the Olympics come up or whatever world championship
[28:10] Speaker 1: they might have. People think about that American soccer team
[28:13] Speaker 1: all year long. And they're tired of waiting.
[28:18] Speaker 4: Yes.
[28:19] Speaker 1: We will be waiting for a very, very, very long time.
[28:23] Speaker 1: Now look, man, we got to recognize both of these sports, man.
[28:25] Speaker 1: We both know that America ain't serious about neither one
[28:28] Speaker 1: of them. Because if they were, you know what America
[28:31] Speaker 1: does when it's serious about winning at something. It'd take
[28:34] Speaker 1: them a long time to get there.
[28:36] Speaker 2: But when America's serious about winning, they go get black people.
[28:40] Speaker 2: That's what they do.
[28:42] Speaker 1: If they were serious about any of these sports in
[28:44] Speaker 1: the White Olympics, it would be a lot more black
[28:46] Speaker 1: people out there. It'd be a whole lot more programs
[28:49] Speaker 1: saving kids from gangs and shit by having them out there.
[28:51] Speaker 1: Like Chicago, Chicago would just be, they had the one brother,
[28:54] Speaker 1: Shani Davis, a few years ago. but it would just
[28:57] Speaker 1: be a whole bunch of brothers out here speed skating.
[29:00] Speaker 1: White people already think we fastening them, but somehow would
[29:03] Speaker 1: you think that changes because it skates?
[29:05] Speaker 2: No, no, no. Y'all just ain't serious. Y'all ain't really
[29:07] Speaker 2: trying to win.
[29:08] Speaker 1: I'm not saying that winning means having a bunch of
[29:10] Speaker 1: black people, but I do know when y'all serious about winning,
[29:14] Speaker 1: y'all going to give us a chance.
[29:16] Speaker 2: That's what y'all going to do.
[29:17] Speaker 1: Same way with the soccer team. Y'all ain't really serious
[29:20] Speaker 1: about winning. You would simply like to win and that's fine, right?
[29:26] Speaker 2: We get it.
[29:28] Speaker 1: For the soccer team, they need to be a little
[29:30] Speaker 1: more serious. For the hockey team, perfect level of seriousness, right?
[29:35] Speaker 1: Just a nice baseline level of seriousness that allows us
[29:39] Speaker 1: to appreciate the good and take the bad in stride.
[29:42] Speaker 1: America's relationship with USA Hockey, the healthiest relationship in sports.
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[32:33] Speaker 8: Now, if you haven't heard.
[32:36] Speaker 3: All right, Bo, if you haven't heard, Floyd Mayweather coming
[32:39] Speaker 3: back into the league. He is going to be fighting
[32:41] Speaker 3: Tyson and an exhibition fight on Netflix. And then he is,
[32:45] Speaker 3: according to the break news, on retiring to get back
[32:49] Speaker 3: into the boxing game. What did you make of this news?
[32:51] Speaker 1: First of all, there's no way you're getting me to
[32:53] Speaker 1: watch Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather in an exhibition.
[32:56] Speaker 2: Like, that just doesn't even make any sense.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Right? Like, Jake Paul, I was really hoping Mike, like,
[33:06] Speaker 1: Not in an illegal way, but, you know, if Jake
[33:12] Speaker 1: Paul would have died, I'm sure someone would have been sad.
[33:20] Speaker 2: Anyway, I know Mike can't do that to Floyd Mayweather, right?
[33:25] Speaker 3: Of course.
[33:26] Speaker 2: Like, I'm fully aware that he can't do that to
[33:28] Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather.
[33:29] Speaker 1: I don't want to watch Floyd Mayweather dotting Mike's... I
[33:33] Speaker 1: don't know what I'm watching this for.
[33:35] Speaker 3: It feels like elder abuse for both parties.
[33:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I just don't, I don't.
[33:40] Speaker 1: What that feels like, and it's, we understand this about Mike,
[33:45] Speaker 1: but it's insane about Floyd, especially combined with the idea
[33:49] Speaker 1: that he will be unretiring. It just feels like two
[33:53] Speaker 1: dudes who need the money. And there's no way Floyd
[34:01] Speaker 1: Mayweather needs the money, right?
[34:05] Speaker 4: Right.
[34:06] Speaker 3: We're going to find out how much he needs the money.
[34:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
[34:09] Speaker 3: We're going to find out. If we get Mayweather packing out, too.
[34:15] Speaker 2: Because we know that Manny needs the money.
[34:18] Speaker 3: Correct. Or someone else might need the money. If we
[34:20] Speaker 3: get Mayweather McGregor, too.
[34:22] Speaker 8: Oh, God.
[34:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, look, man.
[34:25] Speaker 1: One thing that is never going to change. Boxers are
[34:28] Speaker 1: always going to need the money, man.
[34:31] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[34:31] Speaker 6: They are.
[34:33] Speaker 2: None of them say.
[34:34] Speaker 1: Or it's not even like none of them say is
[34:36] Speaker 1: that there's no infrastructure in place to make sure they
[34:40] Speaker 1: do good things with their money. Like all the people
[34:43] Speaker 1: who are around you as a boxer to get a
[34:45] Speaker 1: hand on your money, none of them wish you well.
[34:49] Speaker 2: Not a single one of them wishes you well.
[34:51] Speaker 3: It's also a bizarre sport where your best case for
[34:56] Speaker 3: keeping your money is not fighting.
[34:58] Speaker 5: Yes.
[34:59] Speaker 3: But also you only get paid if you fight well.
[35:02] Speaker 3: So like you're in sit, like you're always in sit
[35:05] Speaker 3: and then you have to spend all this money training.
[35:07] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[35:07] Speaker 1: I mean, the roots of the business are just steeped
[35:11] Speaker 1: in criminality.
[35:12] Speaker 8: Yes.
[35:13] Speaker 3: Yes.
[35:14] Speaker 2: Like that is art.
[35:15] Speaker 1: Like I just got through reading this book about like
[35:18] Speaker 1: the Silicon Valley people that try to go into selling weed,
[35:20] Speaker 1: you know, like legal weed, but it winds up being
[35:23] Speaker 1: this awkward thing for them because you have to deal
[35:25] Speaker 1: with some actual drug dealers along the way when you
[35:29] Speaker 1: kick it like that. Um, But there are no Silicon
[35:34] Speaker 1: Valley people it feels like that go into boxing.
[35:36] Speaker 2: No, it's just all of them.
[35:38] Speaker 3: The most respectable person who's going into boxing now is
[35:40] Speaker 3: Dana White. That is the most... Yeah, like the current
[35:45] Speaker 3: people involved in boxing now. Dana White, Oscar De La Hoya.
[35:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and Al Heyman.
[35:52] Speaker 1: Al Heyman is probably the one, right?
[35:55] Speaker 2: Al Heyman was a reputable man in the world that
[35:58] Speaker 2: he was in before.
[35:59] Speaker 3: But this is just.
[36:00] Speaker 2: If Floyd needs the money, this is, whoo, boy, what
[36:05] Speaker 2: an economy.
[36:07] Speaker 3: All right. Speaking of Silicon Valley dudes doing things that
[36:10] Speaker 3: are unlikable, Sam Altman found a new low. Let's take
[36:13] Speaker 3: a listen.
[36:14] Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. Right fast. Remind people
[36:16] Speaker 2: who he is.
[36:17] Speaker 3: Sam Altman, the, well, how would you describe him? The
[36:21] Speaker 3: leader of OpenAI?
[36:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the CEO of OpenAI.
[36:23] Speaker 3: He's the CEO of OpenAI. Found a new low in his, his, uh,
[36:30] Speaker 3: View of humanity, let's take a listen.
[36:32] Speaker 10: One of the things that is always unfair in this
[36:35] Speaker 10: comparison is people talk about how much energy it takes
[36:38] Speaker 10: to train an AI model relative to how much it
[36:42] Speaker 10: costs a human to do one inference query. But it
[36:45] Speaker 10: also takes a lot of energy to train a human.
[36:46] Speaker 10: It takes like 20 years of life and all of
[36:49] Speaker 10: the food you eat during that time before you get smart.
[36:52] Speaker 10: And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution
[36:55] Speaker 10: of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and
[36:57] Speaker 10: learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how
[37:00] Speaker 10: to figure out science and whatever to produce you, and
[37:02] Speaker 10: then you took whatever you took. So the fair comparison
[37:06] Speaker 10: is if you ask ChatGPT a question, how much energy
[37:09] Speaker 10: does it take once its model is trained to answer
[37:11] Speaker 10: that question versus a human? And probably AI has already
[37:16] Speaker 10: caught up on an energy efficiency basis measured that way.
[37:21] Speaker 2: These guys hate people.
[37:26] Speaker 1: Fundamentally, like I did a residency at the University of
[37:30] Speaker 1: Dayton a few months ago. And, you know, I was
[37:33] Speaker 1: talking about the kids using AI to do their homework
[37:37] Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm like, why are you out here
[37:39] Speaker 1: making it easier for them to replace you, right? You
[37:42] Speaker 1: are contributing to your own replacement when you do this.
[37:45] Speaker 1: We have completely devalued human beings, right? Kim's saying that
[37:50] Speaker 1: out loud in that way and in that room where
[37:52] Speaker 1: no one seemed to be aghast.
[37:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, people laughed awkwardly, but no one was like, what
[37:57] Speaker 3: the fuck are you talking about?
[37:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[37:58] Speaker 1: Like the rest of us were like, I'm telling you, man. Ryan,
[38:01] Speaker 1: what's the name of that book we read?
[38:02] Speaker 3: They build it, everybody dies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[38:06] Speaker 2: If someone builds it.
[38:07] Speaker 3: Everyone dies. Everyone dies.
[38:08] Speaker 1: And it's just about superhuman AI and how it's pretty
[38:12] Speaker 1: much guaranteed that if it comes around, it's going to
[38:15] Speaker 1: kill us all. It has been made very clear that
[38:18] Speaker 1: it will destroy us in order to preserve itself.
[38:21] Speaker 3: Because that's the type of logic it has. Yes. And
[38:24] Speaker 3: because that is the type of logic. And that is
[38:27] Speaker 3: a person awkwardly, clumsily trying to make a point of
[38:30] Speaker 3: that logic. Not A to B of that logic. Yes. Yes.
[38:34] Speaker 1: And by the way, the people who wrote the book,
[38:35] Speaker 1: If Someone Builds It, Everyone Dies, are people that are like, hey,
[38:39] Speaker 1: we're trying to be cool about this.
[38:41] Speaker 3: That's the thing. Everyone who quits, we're trying to be cool.
[38:44] Speaker 3: It's okay.
[38:45] Speaker 8: It's okay.
[38:46] Speaker 3: But this is very, very dangerous, and I can't be
[38:47] Speaker 3: a part of it anymore.
[38:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
[38:49] Speaker 1: And the point that was made that I thought was
[38:50] Speaker 1: most important was we don't know when it'll go too far.
[38:57] Speaker 1: We know it will happen. It could happen in 100 years.
[39:01] Speaker 1: It could also happen in five. We just don't know.
[39:06] Speaker 3: All right. Crazy news in the travel world over the weekend.
[39:11] Speaker 3: It was reported by the New York Times that TSA
[39:13] Speaker 3: was canceling its pre-check program. As of 6 a.m. Sunday morning,
[39:19] Speaker 3: TSA got on Twitter and responded, this time TSA PreCheck
[39:21] Speaker 3: remains operational with no change from traveling public. As staffing
[39:25] Speaker 3: constraints arise, TSA will evaluate by a case-by-case basis and adjust.
[39:30] Speaker 3: operations accordingly. Currency escorts, such as those for members of Congress,
[39:35] Speaker 3: have been suspended to allow officers to focus on the
[39:37] Speaker 3: mission of securing America's skies. Bo, what was your reaction
[39:41] Speaker 3: to this news?
[39:42] Speaker 5: Hey, man.
[39:43] Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, it's a crazy
[39:46] Speaker 1: blizzard in New York City. Like the idea of getting
[39:50] Speaker 1: in and out of here had to be ridiculous.
[39:52] Speaker 2: And can you imagine?
[39:53] Speaker 1: Because they said they shut down pre-check at 6 a.m.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you had that 8 a.m. flight
[40:01] Speaker 1: and you're just kicking it like you usually kick it
[40:03] Speaker 1: and then you get there and that line isn't there?
[40:05] Speaker 2: Like what?
[40:09] Speaker 3: I can't imagine like a place where people are already
[40:14] Speaker 3: mad enough about having to travel. Like people have their
[40:17] Speaker 3: angry face on. People don't want to interact with everybody.
[40:19] Speaker 3: And like, well, you mean there's free check lines closed. Yeah, yeah.
[40:23] Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no.
[40:24] Speaker 1: This was, that had to be, the only day at
[40:26] Speaker 1: the airport that had to be worse than that one
[40:29] Speaker 1: was the first day that they told people they couldn't
[40:31] Speaker 1: bring their lotion. It had to be in the small canisters.
[40:33] Speaker 1: That was like, I always say, the ashiest day in
[40:36] Speaker 1: the history of the friendly skies. You know, people just
[40:38] Speaker 1: weren't prepared for having to be all crackly and shit
[40:41] Speaker 1: like that. That just ain't what they saw coming. But
[40:44] Speaker 1: when I started seeing the reports of people being like, nah,
[40:46] Speaker 1: but the pre-check was open at this airport, at this airport,
[40:49] Speaker 1: it felt like the airport was treating it like when
[40:53] Speaker 1: corporate says okay you can only give people one pack
[40:56] Speaker 1: of ketchup with their fries.
[40:58] Speaker 2: And they're like whatever there's no handful in there.
[41:00] Speaker 3: It's my ketchup yeah yeah yeah it.
[41:03] Speaker 1: Is like hey man like what what what exactly do
[41:05] Speaker 1: we have to lose from this one right here no
[41:08] Speaker 1: no no no y'all go ahead and go through like
[41:10] Speaker 1: they was like y'all ain't gonna make our jobs no
[41:12] Speaker 1: harder than they have to.
[41:14] Speaker 3: We already have to explain to people but about the
[41:16] Speaker 3: lotion rules that have been in place since 2003. Yes.
[41:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, nah, man, not today, Nazi. Y'all come on.
[41:23] Speaker 2: You know what? Pre-check for everybody. How about that?
[41:26] Speaker 1: Because that's the thing for me about pre-check is pre-check
[41:29] Speaker 1: is supposed to be some level of additional security. Have
[41:31] Speaker 1: you heard about anybody getting turned down for pre-check who
[41:34] Speaker 1: wasn't a convicted felon? Like, I'm assuming if you're a
[41:38] Speaker 1: convicted felon that they got, like, some stuff for you.
[41:41] Speaker 2: But otherwise, they ain't letting anybody get on pre-check. Actually,
[41:44] Speaker 2: it ain't exclusive at all.
[41:46] Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think it costs $ 80 for five years. Yes, yes.
[41:50] Speaker 3: And I think 20 million people have it. Yeah, I'll
[41:53] Speaker 3: tell you this, though.
[41:53] Speaker 1: That global entry took long enough to make me believe
[41:56] Speaker 1: that they're doing some double-checking on that one.
[42:04] Speaker 3: All right, Bill. A lot of good voicemails. Here's our first.
[42:07] Speaker 5: Hey, Bomani. This is Mike from Detroit. First time, long time.
[42:11] Speaker 5: I just want to let you know that I'm loving
[42:13] Speaker 5: the deep dive into rap in 1996. It takes me
[42:16] Speaker 5: back to some great musical memories. Listening to the episode
[42:19] Speaker 5: when you and Wally Sparks were talking about Akinyele's Put
[42:22] Speaker 5: It In Your Mouth took me back to another set
[42:24] Speaker 5: of musical memories that are very near and dear to
[42:26] Speaker 5: my heart, and I'm quite sure quite a few of
[42:29] Speaker 5: some of your listeners, and that is when I first
[42:32] Speaker 5: stumbled upon BET's Uncut One Late Night. My eyes couldn't
[42:36] Speaker 5: believe what they were seeing, and my ears couldn't believe
[42:38] Speaker 5: what they were hearing. It totally blew my mind, so
[42:40] Speaker 5: I have two questions for you. One is, What were
[42:43] Speaker 5: your initial thoughts when you first saw Uncut? And two,
[42:47] Speaker 5: what is the most memorable video you can remember, and
[42:49] Speaker 5: why is it Nelly's Tip Drill? Honorable mention to what
[42:52] Speaker 5: that thing smelled like. Appreciate you. Keep doing what you're doing. Peace.
[42:56] Speaker 1: All right, so the answer to your Tip Drill question,
[42:59] Speaker 1: because I was just like.
[43:01] Speaker 3: I love when people produce the show for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[43:04] Speaker 1: I was just like, this all has to just be
[43:05] Speaker 1: going to Tip Drill. Because I don't remember the first
[43:08] Speaker 1: time I saw BET Uncut, but I do remember.
[43:14] Speaker 1: So me and one of my homies, this is, I
[43:18] Speaker 1: guess it's got to be 2004. I am in graduate school,
[43:22] Speaker 1: not doing well, not very happy. My homeboy is in
[43:27] Speaker 1: graduate school in a program in education. He had no
[43:32] Speaker 1: real intention of being a teacher, but he became a
[43:36] Speaker 1: teacher because if you did the graduate program, it came
[43:39] Speaker 1: with a job.
[43:40] Speaker 9: And he was like, hey, why not? And he's a
[43:43] Speaker 9: very large man. So they put him in seventh grade
[43:48] Speaker 9: with the kids with behavioral disorders. Again, someone who had
[43:55] Speaker 9: no intention of ever being a teacher. Just throwing it
[43:59] Speaker 9: out there. Anyway, the details and the particulars don't really matter.
[44:04] Speaker 9: But sometime during the second semester, those kids got a
[44:08] Speaker 9: new teacher. And my man had a lot of free time.
[44:14] Speaker 9: And so he would just be up. And he told
[44:17] Speaker 9: me that he had seen the video for Tip Drill
[44:21] Speaker 9: and that it was so wild that he thought about
[44:25] Speaker 9: calling me. Keep in mind BET Uncut came on at
[44:28] Speaker 9: 2 o'clock in the morning.
[44:29] Speaker 2: Okay.
[44:30] Speaker 1: And I told him if in his heart he believed
[44:34] Speaker 1: that this was something that I truly needed to see,
[44:37] Speaker 1: then he should go ahead and call me the next
[44:39] Speaker 1: time it came on.
[44:43] Speaker 2: And sure as shit.
[44:46] Speaker 1: He called me. I picked up the phone. I stumbled
[44:50] Speaker 1: out of bed. I went to the living room. I
[44:53] Speaker 1: turned on BET.
[44:56] Speaker 9: And I thought it was a dream. I couldn't believe
[44:59] Speaker 9: this was real life.
[45:01] Speaker 3: And it was I was so.
[45:03] Speaker 1: Hazy and fuzzy that I did not have the opportunity
[45:06] Speaker 1: to recognize the girls I went to college with who
[45:10] Speaker 1: were in the video. Because I want to say they
[45:12] Speaker 1: shot it at Ray Buchanan's house in Atlanta. And that
[45:17] Speaker 1: video's like seven minutes long.
[45:19] Speaker 3: That's the other thing. And look, here's the thing.
[45:22] Speaker 1: Generally speaking, You go back and watch the stuff that
[45:25] Speaker 1: felt so risque back in the day, and it don't
[45:28] Speaker 1: land the same way. Like, you go back and watch
[45:30] Speaker 1: them old Luke videos, it don't hit the same way.
[45:32] Speaker 1: You go back and watch the Rump Shaker video, and
[45:34] Speaker 1: the Rump Shaker video was, like, too hot for TV
[45:37] Speaker 1: when it came out.
[45:38] Speaker 2: It's still pretty dope, but it don't hit the same way.
[45:40] Speaker 1: The Tip Trill video is just as ridiculous today as
[45:45] Speaker 1: it was in 2004.
[45:45] Speaker 3: Like, what are we.
[45:48] Speaker 2: What are we doing?
[45:50] Speaker 1: Also, I think Shakin' Like a Doll, Cain and Abel
[45:53] Speaker 1: is the one that my man did that.
[45:55] Speaker 2: Shakin' Like a Doll, that was a... And it was
[45:57] Speaker 2: the dude from Alaska. What was his name? Joker the Bailbondsman.
[46:01] Speaker 2: That was also him. Ryan, you're learning a lot right now,
[46:04] Speaker 2: aren't you?
[46:05] Speaker 3: Oh, I know about Cain and Abel.
[46:07] Speaker 1: That one I bet, but Joker the Bailbondsman, I feel
[46:10] Speaker 1: like was not something.
[46:11] Speaker 3: That you were prepared for.
[46:12] Speaker 1: He's a rapper from Alaska named Joker the Bailbondsman.
[46:16] Speaker 3: You earn something new every day.
[46:17] Speaker 5: Yes.
[46:18] Speaker 2: By the way, did I also tell you about my
[46:19] Speaker 2: man Layton? Was he fired?
[46:21] Speaker 1: Dude, my RA from college, performing at the closing ceremony
[46:25] Speaker 1: of the Winter Olympics.
[46:26] Speaker 2: That happened today.
[46:27] Speaker 3: What? Yeah, yeah. He's one of the major laser cats. Incredible.
[46:31] Speaker 1: I went to dinner with him in Barcelona a couple
[46:33] Speaker 1: years ago, and I was like, oh, this is my richest,
[46:36] Speaker 1: most famous friend. I hadn't seen Layton in 20 years.
[46:38] Speaker 1: He was telling me about his life. I was like,
[46:40] Speaker 1: God damn, this is crazy.
[46:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, musician money is different. All right, here's our next one.
[46:46] Speaker 6: Okay, Bo, I like the Simpsons just as much as you, right?
[46:50] Speaker 6: I'm going to ask you, in the Simpsons universe, who
[46:54] Speaker 6: do you think would have been on the Epstein files?
[46:57] Speaker 6: And who do you think would have.
[46:58] Speaker 8: Just shocked you?
[46:59] Speaker 6: I'm going to say the obvious. I think Mayor Quimby,
[47:01] Speaker 6: no doubt, would have been on the Epstein files. Krusty
[47:04] Speaker 6: the Clown, I'm going to throw, I don't think Mr.
[47:07] Speaker 8: Burns would have been in there, but I think.
[47:10] Speaker 6: Waylon Smithers would have been on the Epstein files. But
[47:14] Speaker 6: I'm going to say the most shocking one, I believe, hey,
[47:19] Speaker 6: what's his name?
[47:21] Speaker 8: Groundskeeper Willie.
[47:22] Speaker 6: I think Groundskeeper Willie would have been the biggest shock.
[47:26] Speaker 6: But if you want to add to it, man, I'd
[47:28] Speaker 6: appreciate it.
[47:29] Speaker 8: Love the show.
[47:31] Speaker 2: All right.
[47:31] Speaker 1: Krusty the Clown definitely would have been in the Epstein files.
[47:35] Speaker 1: I don't think, Mayor Quimby played like Democrat, right? Like,
[47:39] Speaker 1: I don't know if he's hanging out.
[47:42] Speaker 3: Well, that's not, unfortunately not. That's fair.
[47:46] Speaker 2: That's fair.
[47:47] Speaker 3: That's fair.
[47:47] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[47:48] Speaker 3: I feel like.
[47:50] Speaker 2: Mayor Quimby's on the board. I would definitely say this.
[47:53] Speaker 1: They would never invite groundskeeper Willie to any of the groundskeeper.
[47:58] Speaker 1: Willie would be on the, in the Epstein files and like,
[48:02] Speaker 1: where's the groundskeeper.
[48:04] Speaker 2: Like, that's where I would see him. Smithers? Nah. Nah.
[48:09] Speaker 2: I don't see that one. The problem with.
[48:11] Speaker 1: The Simpsons is, in the Simpsons universe, they just ain't
[48:14] Speaker 1: enough people with enough paper to get themselves.
[48:17] Speaker 3: I feel like Mr. Burns is like, almost, it just
[48:20] Speaker 3: has to be. It's like.
[48:22] Speaker 2: Nah, because I don't, I don't think Epstein would let Mr.
[48:26] Speaker 2: Burns come around.
[48:28] Speaker 3: Got it.
[48:28] Speaker 2: You know, because, hey, here's the thing about Mr. Burns.
[48:31] Speaker 1: The thing Mr. Burns does not seem to have much
[48:33] Speaker 1: interest in is companies. You know, like Mayor Quimby, I
[48:38] Speaker 1: see the vision on that one.
[48:40] Speaker 3: Mr.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Burns, I don't think he got the energy, the vim
[48:44] Speaker 1: and vigor that would be necessary. But Krusty the Clown, oh,
[48:49] Speaker 1: that's absolutely his kind of party.
[48:53] Speaker 3: All right, here's our next one.
[48:55] Speaker 4: Hey, Bomani.
[48:56] Speaker 7: So this is keeping in line with the name game
[48:58] Speaker 7: you got going on. It's about the name Dutch. My
[49:02] Speaker 7: grandfather was named Dutch. And I just feel like it's
[49:05] Speaker 7: one of those names that doesn't matter what race you are,
[49:08] Speaker 7: the name Dutch is going to mean something. My granddad,
[49:11] Speaker 7: he was a man named Dutch from Compton. And everybody knew,
[49:14] Speaker 7: don't mess with Dutch. My uncle, my aunt, whenever they'd
[49:19] Speaker 7: act up or go crazy, it was, well, you know
[49:22] Speaker 7: they got that Dutch blood in them, so it ain't
[49:23] Speaker 7: got no sense. But what other name works like that,
[49:27] Speaker 7: where you just know, it don't matter where you're from,
[49:30] Speaker 7: what color you are, race or creed, if your name
[49:33] Speaker 7: is Dutch, you're going to be a fool. Whereas if
[49:35] Speaker 7: your name is something like Kevin, it can go either way.
[49:40] Speaker 7: Just asking the question. Oh, also shout out to your man,
[49:43] Speaker 7: Deontay Lee. He is now the head coach of my
[49:46] Speaker 7: high school alma mater, Bonita Vista. We were champions, year
[49:50] Speaker 7: 2000 Metro League champions. I still got the t-shirt to
[49:52] Speaker 7: prove it.
[49:53] Speaker 3: All right, you have a good one.
[49:55] Speaker 1: Hey, but what I need to know though is why
[49:58] Speaker 1: they call him Dutch. Like what is the point? What
[50:03] Speaker 1: do you have to do to get called Dutch? I've
[50:05] Speaker 1: never seen the answer to that, especially if you're not Dutch.
[50:11] Speaker 3: You got a guess? I'm really not sure.
[50:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the part that I do.
[50:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, when you have a street-like nickname all the way
[50:21] Speaker 1: through life, you have earned this.
[50:24] Speaker 3: Yes. Right? And you introduce yourself by aforementioned name.
[50:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it is an honorific, right? And like
[50:32] Speaker 2: sometimes it's like not really a nickname. For example, do
[50:35] Speaker 2: you remember when.
[50:36] Speaker 1: That dude shot David Ortiz in the Dominican Republic?
[50:39] Speaker 3: I do remember that.
[50:40] Speaker 1: And it was all them stories about what the reason
[50:42] Speaker 1: was that I don't know what's like legal or safe
[50:45] Speaker 1: to talk about. But the dude that at one time
[50:48] Speaker 1: people were saying was behind it, they called him in
[50:52] Speaker 1: Las Calles.
[50:55] Speaker 2: De la República Dominica, el abusador, the abuser. And that's
[51:04] Speaker 2: not a nickname. There's nothing clever about that.
[51:07] Speaker 3: That's not a nickname.
[51:08] Speaker 1: That's a job description. That's what he does. That is
[51:12] Speaker 1: not an honorific. That is a warning.
[51:16] Speaker 3: Dutch.
[51:17] Speaker 2: If you are Dutch all the way through, that is
[51:19] Speaker 2: an honorific.
[51:20] Speaker 1: You have earned a measure of respect that gets there
[51:24] Speaker 1: before we get to the fear.
[51:25] Speaker 2: El abusador. Just fear. I don't know what David Ortiz
[51:29] Speaker 2: was thinking. We forget fear. That got real dicey.
[51:33] Speaker 8: Yes.
[51:35] Speaker 2: Real dicey.
[51:36] Speaker 3: Real dicey, real fast. All right, here's our last one.
[51:38] Speaker 8: Hey, Bo, this is Zach out of Long Beach, California.
[51:41] Speaker 8: Big fan of the show. Thought I'd call in and
[51:44] Speaker 8: just add to the names. Sorry, add to the list
[51:48] Speaker 8: of names that you typically don't see for white folks.
[51:52] Speaker 8: So I want you all to go ahead and look
[51:53] Speaker 8: up a Tavon Kitchen. Tavon is a middle and long
[51:58] Speaker 8: distance runner out of BYU. yeah I'm curious y'all's thoughts
[52:05] Speaker 8: on Tavon when you look him up but yeah thanks
[52:09] Speaker 8: so much y'all.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Hey Ryan I don't know if you've noticed this but
[52:15] Speaker 1: the Mormons they throw some monkey wrenches.
[52:21] Speaker 3: Well I mean not to paint with a broad brush
[52:24] Speaker 3: but sometimes they're I'm just going to say they're picking
[52:28] Speaker 3: their 5th and 6th and 7th and 8th favorite names
[52:32] Speaker 3: I'm not saying necessarily how they got to there I'm
[52:36] Speaker 3: saying they're.
[52:37] Speaker 1: I will say this though because they kind of just
[52:39] Speaker 1: put some stuff together like.
[52:41] Speaker 2: You know.
[52:44] Speaker 1: I don't always understand how the combinations have been put
[52:47] Speaker 1: together What I think would be hilarious is, because I
[52:50] Speaker 1: don't know anything about this young man, I don't know
[52:52] Speaker 1: where he's from, but it is entirely possible that he
[52:54] Speaker 1: is from a place where he has no idea. Like,
[52:58] Speaker 1: he gets out into the world and they're like, why
[52:59] Speaker 1: do people think I'm black?
[53:00] Speaker 2: They don't understand. Like, he got no idea.
[53:02] Speaker 3: It's never come up.
[53:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, there are these black Tavons out there, right?
[53:06] Speaker 3: Especially, Tavon's a runner. Yeah, right, right.
[53:10] Speaker 2: But in middle distance, right?
[53:11] Speaker 3: But he shows up to these meets.
[53:13] Speaker 1: Right, like maybe not once in his life has Tavon
[53:16] Speaker 1: been ran off the roll and he said here and
[53:18] Speaker 1: the teacher was surprised, right?
[53:20] Speaker 2: Correct.
[53:21] Speaker 1: He doesn't understand what the joke is, right? He's like
[53:25] Speaker 1: when Mike Tirico was like, I don't understand what's going on, guys.
[53:28] Speaker 1: I'm Italian. What are you talking about? Why do you
[53:31] Speaker 1: keep saying that? You know, that's where the homie Tavon
[53:36] Speaker 1: is probably coming down. But if we found out that Tavon, like,
[53:38] Speaker 1: ran the 100, like, for example, you know, I don't
[53:41] Speaker 1: know if you know about this, but Chris Collinsworth was
[53:44] Speaker 1: a legend in Florida because he was the 100-meter champion
[53:47] Speaker 1: in the state of Florida. And this word had gotten
[53:50] Speaker 1: around that there was this, like, it was like a
[53:52] Speaker 1: mythical thing that.
[53:53] Speaker 2: There's this white guy. Because I tell you, none of
[53:56] Speaker 2: these young boys in the league have any idea that
[53:58] Speaker 2: Chris Collinsworth is fast.
[54:00] Speaker 3: No, they think Chris Collinsworth, receiver, they think Julian Edelman.
[54:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Or they thought he was a quarterback.
[54:07] Speaker 4: Yes.
[54:07] Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't really come up if they even
[54:09] Speaker 1: know that, right? But anyway, it was just like this
[54:12] Speaker 1: legendary thing. This white boy was just showing up and
[54:14] Speaker 1: dusting people. But I also imagine it had to be,
[54:16] Speaker 1: keeping in mind that Chris Collinsworth, Chris is C-R-I-S, which
[54:20] Speaker 1: is an editorial liberty that the whites normally don't.
[54:24] Speaker 3: Take with their names.
[54:25] Speaker 2: There were also some people that I was like, what
[54:27] Speaker 2: you mean that's Chris Collinsworth? Only to get dusty.
[54:31] Speaker 4: Right.
[54:32] Speaker 5: Only.
[54:32] Speaker 2: And I think he went to Abraham Lincoln High School too.
[54:38] Speaker 3: Only to get dusty.
[54:41] Speaker 2: What an episode, Ryan. What an episode.
[54:45] Speaker 3: You made it.
[54:46] Speaker 2: We did.
[54:46] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here
[54:49] Speaker 1: on The Right Time.
[54:50] Speaker 2: We do this four days a week.
[54:52] Speaker 1: Ryan Brumley had everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir.
[54:55] Speaker 1: Hit the voicemail line 323-596-7767. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe, like,
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[55:10] Speaker 3: Take it easy.

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