# Spencer Hall on the Absurdity of the proposed 24-team College football Playoff | 05.21

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 21 May 2026, 53 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by Spencer Hall to break down why a 24-team College Football Playoff sounds inevitable — and terrible. They discuss how the Big Ten won college football’s money game, why the SEC may have picked the wrong horse, and whether expanding the playoff will ruin what made the sport weird and regional in the first place. Then Bomani and Spencer get into the new world of college sports: transfer portal free agency, Will Wade’s LSU roster strategy, Texas A&M oil money, Miami’s questionable money, and why LSU might be entering a full-blown black hat era with Lane Kiffin, Will Wade, and Kim Mulkey. Plus: Kim Mulkey’s shocking middle name, boosterism as tricking, Brittany Griner, and jokes that probably should have been left in the writers’ room. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Wave.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, a Wave
[0:11] Speaker 2: original presented by FanDuel Predicts. My name is Beaumontie Jones.
[0:15] Speaker 2: Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for
[0:17] Speaker 2: watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us,
[0:21] Speaker 2: give us five stars, only give us four stars. I'm
[0:23] Speaker 2: inclined to believe you are a hater. It is Spencer
[0:26] Speaker 2: Hall on a Thursday. What's going on, man?
[0:28] Speaker 1: I honored to be here. I'm awake and comb my beard.
[0:32] Speaker 1: That's about what I can do for you.
[0:33] Speaker 3: Greatly appreciate it.
[0:34] Speaker 2: I've been over here being a fucking engineer thing. They
[0:37] Speaker 2: don't tell you about the whole do your studio from
[0:39] Speaker 2: home thing is I'm a I'm an on air talent.
[0:42] Speaker 2: And that also has to be a studio engineer like
[0:45] Speaker 2: little things that seems when the IFB stops working. Now
[0:48] Speaker 2: you got to break out the other cords, everything. And
[0:50] Speaker 2: I am not a troubleshooter. I don't know the checklist.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Well, listen, you can figure out those problems, which is
[0:55] Speaker 1: why you got that little gold statue back there and
[0:56] Speaker 1: I got a cat wrapped in ham.
[0:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think you're a little better
[1:00] Speaker 3: at the fixing part than I am.
[1:02] Speaker 2: I do think that when it comes down to all
[1:06] Speaker 2: of this, no matter what the work from home is,
[1:08] Speaker 2: you become the IT man. You become all these jobs
[1:11] Speaker 2: that the importance of, you might not have necessarily appreciated
[1:15] Speaker 2: prior to this.
[1:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's going to help you. You are your own.
[1:19] Speaker 1: I've written this before, but you are your own park ranger, okay?
[1:21] Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, you're like, hey, who's the bear? It's you.
[1:25] Speaker 1: You're also the park ranger. Congratulations. You have to do
[1:27] Speaker 1: both jobs.
[1:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has hit me, man.
[1:29] Speaker 2: But we got a lot we're going to get to,
[1:31] Speaker 2: including some fun LSU-ness that actually doesn't quite involve Lane Kiffin.
[1:36] Speaker 2: But I want to start with what seems to be
[1:38] Speaker 2: the hottest topic on the streets of college football. And
[1:40] Speaker 2: it seems to be very interesting to me because the
[1:43] Speaker 2: topic is the idea of expanding this college football playoff
[1:47] Speaker 2: to 24 teams.
[1:48] Speaker 3: Now, correct me if I'm wrong. It's only 12 right.
[1:49] Speaker 1: Now, right? Yeah. The last I checked, yeah.
[1:52] Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, like we're just going to blow past 16, apparently,
[1:55] Speaker 2: and get to 24. And there are not very many
[1:58] Speaker 2: things that people across the board in college football have
[2:01] Speaker 2: in common. What seems to be the unifying force at
[2:04] Speaker 2: this moment, a hatred for the idea of a 2014 playoff.
[2:08] Speaker 2: Everybody understands that this is a horrendous idea, except the
[2:14] Speaker 2: people who make decisions.
[2:16] Speaker 1: That's right. Let's get inevitability going. You know when you're
[2:19] Speaker 1: about to get hustled? It's when somebody says, hey.
[2:22] Speaker 3: It's coming. Hey, AI, it's a rocket ship. You better
[2:25] Speaker 3: get on board.
[2:26] Speaker 1: You're about to get suckered is what you're about to get.
[2:30] Speaker 1: And in the case of a 2014 playoff, there is
[2:33] Speaker 1: this move to make this inevitable, right?
[2:35] Speaker 3: Oh, it's coming.
[2:36] Speaker 1: It's coming. Now, I don't doubt that because none of
[2:39] Speaker 1: us are in control. If the Big Ten and the
[2:41] Speaker 1: SEC want this, then it's going to happen. Frankly, I
[2:44] Speaker 1: think if the Big Ten wants this, it's going to
[2:47] Speaker 1: happen one way or another. All right. They've got the
[2:49] Speaker 1: most hand right now and they have the broadcast partner
[2:52] Speaker 1: with the least shame.
[2:54] Speaker 2: I actually think that an underrated change that has happened
[2:57] Speaker 2: in college football that I think that there's a discussion
[3:01] Speaker 2: of within college football circles that really hasn't broadened out
[3:05] Speaker 2: is the fact that the Big Ten, despite not possessing
[3:09] Speaker 2: what used to be the most important thing to have
[3:12] Speaker 2: in college football, which was real estate.
[3:15] Speaker 3: Real estate with players, right?
[3:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[3:17] Speaker 2: This is this post-integration, pre-now, that is what doomed the
[3:22] Speaker 2: Big Ten, is that they had to go get their
[3:25] Speaker 2: players from the other.
[3:26] Speaker 3: Parts of the country.
[3:27] Speaker 2: And then when the SEC decided, you know, This racism
[3:31] Speaker 2: is interfering with our ability to win some games. And
[3:33] Speaker 2: they decided to lean in on that. Or even just
[3:36] Speaker 2: the existence of USC, the existence of the Pac-10, all
[3:38] Speaker 2: of this. The Big Ten went from, I want to
[3:41] Speaker 2: call it 1968 to 1997 without getting a share of
[3:46] Speaker 2: a national championship because they didn't have the real estate.
[3:49] Speaker 3: However, they have money.
[3:51] Speaker 2: The money and when i say the money it is
[3:53] Speaker 2: the money at the absolute top end and now where
[3:56] Speaker 2: the it just means more crew and the power the
[3:58] Speaker 2: sec had over everything else no indiana's a national champion
[4:03] Speaker 2: now like the big 10 low-key runs the game and
[4:07] Speaker 2: it's feels a little counterintuitive if i may be honest
[4:11] Speaker 2: it does and you have to understand where this started
[4:13] Speaker 2: it started with the big 10 network and it started
[4:15] Speaker 2: with the expansion to california and new jersey because The
[4:19] Speaker 2: Big Ten decided to try to win on the spreadsheet
[4:21] Speaker 2: and it's working.
[4:22] Speaker 1: That's what they did. They looked at it and they said,
[4:25] Speaker 1: what we need is our biggest, like they looked at
[4:28] Speaker 1: it like a business. Where's your biggest profits? Where is
[4:31] Speaker 1: the bulk of your money coming from? It's coming from
[4:33] Speaker 1: TV rights and TV comes down to markets and they
[4:37] Speaker 1: added Rutgers and they added UCLA and USC. Therefore, the
[4:41] Speaker 1: most viable television property will be the Big Ten because
[4:45] Speaker 1: you and I see football. And everyone else who's dealing
[4:49] Speaker 1: with this as a commodity sees numbers. And they tried
[4:52] Speaker 1: to win on a spreadsheet, and right now they're doing it.
[4:55] Speaker 1: I think it'll work for a while. Mind you, everything
[4:59] Speaker 1: only works for a while. This particular model, there will
[5:02] Speaker 1: be something to counter it. I believe one thing that
[5:06] Speaker 1: is going to happen when it comes to NIL is
[5:10] Speaker 1: I believe you will see that right now money is
[5:13] Speaker 1: extremely important, but cohesion is more important, right? So financially,
[5:18] Speaker 1: the Big Ten will continue to win. Once everyone figures
[5:22] Speaker 1: out what Cignetti's already figured out in terms of the
[5:25] Speaker 1: on-the-field performance, which is that we need.
[5:27] Speaker 3: Dudes who know what they're doing. That's the model. That's it.
[5:31] Speaker 3: People go, well, what did Indiana do?
[5:33] Speaker 1: Your practice hours are limited. Player mobility is at an
[5:37] Speaker 1: all-time high. And unit cohesion is at an all-time low.
[5:41] Speaker 1: All Indiana did, and I'm saying all jokingly, what they
[5:45] Speaker 1: did was astonishing. Get everybody together, create a product where
[5:49] Speaker 1: everybody knew what they were doing, and do about three
[5:51] Speaker 1: or four things really, really, really well. That's something that
[5:55] Speaker 1: Alabama could not do. That's where we're at.
[5:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, number one, shout out to you,
[6:01] Speaker 3: Jim Delaney.
[6:04] Speaker 1: Make fun of the dude, as stodgy and boring a
[6:08] Speaker 1: lawyer as has ever lorded over an administrative position. Dude
[6:14] Speaker 1: was right. Like, dude was 100% right about what was
[6:17] Speaker 1: going to win out financially, right? Yeah. Is it good
[6:19] Speaker 1: for the sport?
[6:20] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[6:22] Speaker 1: That's, by the way, I'm the only person who's going
[6:25] Speaker 1: to say that. And they're like, this is good for
[6:27] Speaker 1: the bad or bad for the sport.
[6:28] Speaker 3: I don't know. This is not a patient.
[6:31] Speaker 1: I can't give you a talk screen or blood work
[6:35] Speaker 1: and be like, yep, college football doing great. Ratings are up.
[6:39] Speaker 1: Ratings are great. There's still demand for it, which is
[6:42] Speaker 1: better than 98% to 99% of the stuff that's offered
[6:46] Speaker 1: by broadcast television. Are there problems with it? Immense problems.
[6:50] Speaker 1: Instabilities that could be exploited and that could lead to
[6:53] Speaker 1: the destruction of the sport itself. By the way, biggest
[6:55] Speaker 1: problem is the sport itself, right? However, was Jim Delaney right? Yeah,
[7:02] Speaker 1: he was 100% right in the SEC by being lazy,
[7:04] Speaker 1: by the way. Here's where I get to do something fun.
[7:07] Speaker 1: The SEC, by being lazy... bucolic little hill jacks with
[7:14] Speaker 1: absolutely no real ambition to build their own thing right
[7:19] Speaker 1: and keep everything just the same we're gonna keep our
[7:21] Speaker 1: office in birmingham we're gonna let espn do all the
[7:24] Speaker 1: work they picked the wrong horse and now they're gonna
[7:27] Speaker 1: have to.
[7:27] Speaker 2: Change yeah like i think the one thing i did
[7:31] Speaker 2: think that was underrated when the big 10 made the
[7:33] Speaker 2: move before we even get to California, right?
[7:36] Speaker 3: When they made the.
[7:36] Speaker 2: Move into DC and they made the move into New Jersey,
[7:40] Speaker 2: they also made the move into two states that quietly
[7:44] Speaker 2: produce a lot of players with in-state schools that can
[7:49] Speaker 2: never keep them.
[7:50] Speaker 3: Yep. Right?
[7:51] Speaker 2: And so it was like, you know, Penn State has
[7:54] Speaker 2: really run Maryland already as it was, right? Ohio State
[7:58] Speaker 2: and Michigan already were getting their guys that they wanted
[8:01] Speaker 2: out of New Jersey. But let's go ahead and just like,
[8:03] Speaker 2: fully lock that in, right? Like, same way I felt
[8:07] Speaker 2: about Texas A & M.
[8:08] Speaker 3: Congratulations, boys.
[8:09] Speaker 2: You joined the SEC so that the SEC could come
[8:12] Speaker 2: get all the players.
[8:13] Speaker 1: That's right. And then the deal for the schools is
[8:15] Speaker 1: very simple. We'll give you more money than you've ever
[8:17] Speaker 1: had before.
[8:18] Speaker 2: Yes.
[8:19] Speaker 1: And you will spend it. In fact, you've already spent it,
[8:22] Speaker 1: which is even more incentive to join. The schools that
[8:25] Speaker 1: they added in those areas, financially addled, cash damaged, all right? Broke.
[8:33] Speaker 1: Rutgers has no money. Rutgers is never going to have
[8:36] Speaker 1: any money. That's not the point.
[8:38] Speaker 3: I mean, Maryland too.
[8:40] Speaker 1: Maryland, deeply troubled in terms of athletic finances. And not
[8:46] Speaker 1: really anything the Big Ten cared about because they weren't
[8:49] Speaker 1: looking at your finances. To be honest, they weren't.
[8:52] Speaker 3: Looking at your academics.
[8:54] Speaker 1: Not that they're bad, but they weren't looking at those
[8:58] Speaker 1: despite whatever protest the Big Ten had. may offer right
[9:01] Speaker 1: i i love by the way the big 10 being
[9:03] Speaker 1: the big 10 saying like well i don't know the
[9:05] Speaker 1: sec makes some academic compromises yeah i mean yes and
[9:10] Speaker 1: this is not a yes but all right right yes
[9:13] Speaker 1: and you're adding rutgers and maryland both fine schools not
[9:19] Speaker 1: exactly public.
[9:20] Speaker 2: Ips no no although i don't know what any of
[9:23] Speaker 2: them are anymore because i your alma mater is claiming
[9:26] Speaker 2: itself as a public IB now.
[9:28] Speaker 1: And that just completely blows my mind.
[9:30] Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, you're the best one they got, brother.
[9:33] Speaker 2: Like I, like I was out there and they were
[9:35] Speaker 2: telling me they were the top tier.
[9:36] Speaker 3: And I was like, a what? Yeah. Not for long.
[9:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. And I looked at the rest of the list
[9:40] Speaker 2: and I was like, you're telling.
[9:41] Speaker 3: Me that Florida is a better school than Wisconsin.
[9:43] Speaker 1: No.
[9:43] Speaker 3: Like, is that, is that, is that the story?
[9:45] Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
[9:46] Speaker 3: Well, we're, we're all right.
[9:47] Speaker 1: Whatever you guys say. I, you know, how's this? You
[9:50] Speaker 1: can get the education you want at Florida. Or you
[9:53] Speaker 1: can avoid the education you don't want at Florida. Those
[9:56] Speaker 1: are both options for you. That is a great point.
[9:59] Speaker 2: But this 2014 playoff idea, I guess they had a
[10:02] Speaker 2: good year with this 12. This 12 was better than
[10:04] Speaker 2: it had been in previous years.
[10:06] Speaker 3: They appear to be a little more parody because.
[10:08] Speaker 2: There used to be such a, like that first round
[10:10] Speaker 2: was just a complete and total waste of time. Though
[10:12] Speaker 2: I guess a lot of this year's first round was
[10:14] Speaker 2: a waste of time aside from Was it Alabama-Oklahoma where
[10:18] Speaker 2: they ran that back?
[10:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:19] Speaker 2: Where we thought, with Caleb DeBoer, there's a moment where
[10:22] Speaker 2: you saw the look wash over his face.
[10:24] Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not going to get fired.
[10:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank God.
[10:28] Speaker 3: What a revelation. And by the way, everyone in Alabama,
[10:31] Speaker 3: still in on that.
[10:32] Speaker 1: Like, they're going to ride this for a minute.
[10:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[10:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:35] Speaker 3: Like, this is, you know, this is what we've got.
[10:37] Speaker 3: I just... nobody's in this for this playoff.
[10:41] Speaker 2: Like I think everybody spent all that time talking about,
[10:43] Speaker 2: we need a playoff, a playoff that.
[10:45] Speaker 3: We never needed by the way.
[10:47] Speaker 1: Right.
[10:47] Speaker 2: And I think my thing about the playoff is the
[10:50] Speaker 2: worst thing that you could do in college sports is
[10:53] Speaker 2: to standardize what success is or to standardize what the
[10:57] Speaker 2: goal is. Like one thing that made this work a
[10:59] Speaker 2: zillion different people with a zillion different goals and everybody
[11:02] Speaker 2: can find their own piece of happiness within this. as
[11:05] Speaker 2: you turn this into kind of the NCAA tournament type
[11:07] Speaker 2: situation and unlike college basketball, where you have a bit
[11:12] Speaker 2: more parody among conferences and it spreads around, although that
[11:16] Speaker 2: clearly is dissipating also with college football, we're now only
[11:21] Speaker 2: really talking about 60 schools or so. And a 2014
[11:24] Speaker 2: playoff in a world with 60 schools means just 36
[11:28] Speaker 2: miserable teams.
[11:30] Speaker 1: It does. And, When you talk about whether we need
[11:34] Speaker 1: a playoff or not, we don't need any of this. Like,
[11:37] Speaker 1: none of this is a need. The college football thrived
[11:41] Speaker 1: without a postseason for a very long time. I will
[11:46] Speaker 1: remind you, bowl games were a kegger. Bowl games were
[11:50] Speaker 1: a party. Go look at old photos of Bob Devaney
[11:52] Speaker 1: and Bear Bryant at bowl, like, banquets.
[11:57] Speaker 3: They're hammered.
[11:58] Speaker 1: They are hammered and trying on each other's hats. The
[12:03] Speaker 1: guys are at tables and they are clearly drinking beer
[12:07] Speaker 1: even though they are 19 years old. We did fine
[12:10] Speaker 1: without any of this. This is a TV product. But
[12:13] Speaker 1: if you're going to give me a TV product, okay,
[12:16] Speaker 1: then you need to understand we need to start cutting
[12:19] Speaker 1: things up a little differently so it feels like everyone's involved.
[12:22] Speaker 1: Where can you look for inspiration for this? The EPL.
[12:25] Speaker 1: Look at look at soccer. Soccer has all of these
[12:28] Speaker 1: thousands of rivalries and cups and regional cups and competitions.
[12:34] Speaker 1: Now they can do that because they have a longer
[12:35] Speaker 1: season and also because they don't play a sport that's
[12:38] Speaker 1: basically an organized car crash. But you can probably mix
[12:42] Speaker 1: a little bit of that in. Why isn't there a
[12:45] Speaker 1: more of a thing about an opening jamboree? Why don't
[12:48] Speaker 1: we have more of an opening September thing that's organized
[12:51] Speaker 1: and that actually means something? The NBA has tried to
[12:54] Speaker 1: do this. And I think, by the way, with greater
[12:56] Speaker 1: success than people are willing to admit, right? Like the cup,
[13:00] Speaker 1: you know, creating some sort of making the season more memorable.
[13:03] Speaker 1: This is something that people struggle with, not just in
[13:06] Speaker 1: college football. It's not unique. Don't pretend you're special. Everyone
[13:09] Speaker 1: struggles with this. This is, by the way, every time
[13:11] Speaker 1: we talk about the first round of the playoffs, I
[13:12] Speaker 1: don't know what people are necessarily all Aggie about because
[13:17] Speaker 1: they say, oh man, the first round, we got to
[13:19] Speaker 1: do something about the first round. What's the greatest tournament
[13:21] Speaker 1: in American sports? Oh, the big dance. You know what
[13:24] Speaker 1: happens in the big dance in the first round?
[13:27] Speaker 3: Trouncing. Lots of trouncing. Lots of whooping. Lots of beat
[13:33] Speaker 3: them downs.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Okay.
[13:34] Speaker 3: Tons of them.
[13:35] Speaker 1: We get excited because once every 80 games.
[13:39] Speaker 3: Or so, something interesting happens and there's an upset.
[13:44] Speaker 1: Right. But almost never between the top and the bottom.
[13:47] Speaker 1: It's usually somewhere in that like, you know, what, 412
[13:50] Speaker 1: range somewhere in there. That's what you get excited about.
[13:53] Speaker 1: We get excited about upsets and college football anyway, because
[13:56] Speaker 1: they're so rare.
[13:58] Speaker 3: They are so rare.
[13:59] Speaker 1: This is a sport of giants and dwarves, right? That's
[14:04] Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. And nothing about putting them
[14:08] Speaker 1: in a different arrangement or stack changes that. Yeah. Like
[14:12] Speaker 1: this is, I.
[14:15] Speaker 2: Guess my thing is I always appreciated that one month break. Also,
[14:22] Speaker 2: getting rid of conference championship games, wild to me. The
[14:25] Speaker 2: SEC championship game, to me, is the surest bet of
[14:27] Speaker 2: a good time that this game has provided us in
[14:30] Speaker 2: quite a long time.
[14:31] Speaker 3: The idea, why do we need that? They are antiquities.
[14:34] Speaker 2: They are going away, but the unit of enjoyment. And
[14:37] Speaker 2: this has always been the conference, right? Like it's, it's
[14:40] Speaker 2: more like it's, it goes from rivalry rivals to conference.
[14:45] Speaker 3: And then we work everything else out.
[14:46] Speaker 2: Like winning the sec championship is a thing has been
[14:50] Speaker 2: a thing always will be a thing, except it's not
[14:53] Speaker 2: because they're going to make this go away because they're like,
[14:55] Speaker 2: we can make more money if we sell this as
[14:58] Speaker 2: a first round playoff game. Yep.
[15:00] Speaker 3: And you're just not good. You're not going to convince
[15:02] Speaker 3: me that that's going to be more fun.
[15:04] Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be more fun. I
[15:05] Speaker 1: think that there are a number of forces that are
[15:09] Speaker 1: at play here that we're not all going to make
[15:13] Speaker 1: it like they're not all going to make it in
[15:15] Speaker 1: terms of getting from this stage of football to the
[15:18] Speaker 1: next stage of football. One thing that I think everybody
[15:21] Speaker 1: can agree with is that we want more diversity in scheduling.
[15:25] Speaker 1: One thing that is going to cripple that is the
[15:27] Speaker 1: fact that we need less diversity in scheduling. And by that,
[15:30] Speaker 1: I mean, we need fewer Cupcake games. You cannot have
[15:34] Speaker 1: this product and you cannot make every part of it
[15:37] Speaker 1: count and thus maximize your potential at every point. If
[15:41] Speaker 1: we're conceding to the locals that this television slot, which
[15:45] Speaker 1: is your primary source of revenue, needs to be replaced.
[15:49] Speaker 1: Instead of a quality game, we put Charleston Southern in there.
[15:52] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Charleston Southern. I always pick you because that's
[15:54] Speaker 1: just like, that is the most, like when you're playing
[15:56] Speaker 1: the video game, that is the most FCS blank team
[15:59] Speaker 1: to me. So I always put Charleston Southern in there.
[16:01] Speaker 1: But cash games where you're buying an easy win can't
[16:05] Speaker 1: happen if we are going to say the primary value
[16:09] Speaker 1: of this sport is as a television product. That cannot happen, right? Yeah.
[16:14] Speaker 3: That cannot happen.
[16:15] Speaker 1: However, it's very lucrative for schools to do that. Also,
[16:20] Speaker 1: schools do that because they want an easy win, right?
[16:23] Speaker 2: Well, also, easy win at a point that Barry Switzer
[16:27] Speaker 2: makes in his autobiography that I think is important.
[16:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[16:29] Speaker 3: A game that's not so destructive to your players.
[16:32] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[16:33] Speaker 2: Now, granted, very destructive to Charleston Southern's players.
[16:37] Speaker 1: There's the same amount of damage, Bo. We're just apportioning
[16:40] Speaker 1: it this way.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, like Dion said that when he was at Jackson State.
[16:44] Speaker 2: It's like, hell no, we ain't about to go out
[16:45] Speaker 2: there and get beat up by these boys and come
[16:47] Speaker 2: back over here.
[16:48] Speaker 3: What are you, high? No, it's not worth the check.
[16:51] Speaker 1: It's not.
[16:52] Speaker 3: Go play somebody else.
[16:54] Speaker 1: Um, which is by the way, I think that's where it, again,
[16:57] Speaker 1: I go to like, we've, these are problems people have
[16:59] Speaker 1: dealt with before. Um, Greg Sankey knows this by the way,
[17:02] Speaker 1: cause Greg Sankey famously caught reading a book about the
[17:05] Speaker 1: construction of the English premier league. We're going to end
[17:07] Speaker 1: up with a highly tiered system where there is a
[17:10] Speaker 1: little bit of movement in between those tiers. I do
[17:14] Speaker 1: think we'll get, I think we already have something like relegation.
[17:17] Speaker 1: We really do. Right. Uh, we don't send teams down anymore,
[17:20] Speaker 1: but we send teams up. Teams get promoted at teams.
[17:23] Speaker 1: Enter FBS. They enter new conferences. They change conferences all
[17:27] Speaker 1: of the time. I think that'll become more regimented over time. Eventually,
[17:30] Speaker 1: I do think, I mean, we have had a team
[17:32] Speaker 1: relegated before.
[17:33] Speaker 3: Temple, right?
[17:35] Speaker 1: Temple got booted out of the Big East for freeloading
[17:39] Speaker 1: so hard on the Big East that they had to
[17:42] Speaker 1: do something that just never happens. They booted them from
[17:45] Speaker 1: the conference.
[17:45] Speaker 3: And keep in mind, the Big Ten never kicked Northwestern out. Yeah, never.
[17:52] Speaker 1: If it were going to happen, that would be the team.
[17:54] Speaker 3: Vanderbilt never got tossed.
[17:56] Speaker 1: Nope, nope. Poor Mississippi State had some bad years. But
[18:01] Speaker 1: we were never, ever, ever going to tell them not
[18:03] Speaker 1: to come to Thanksgiving. That's happened. And I think that's
[18:08] Speaker 1: probably where we're headed. Are these good or bad things?
[18:12] Speaker 1: I'm just telling you where they're going. I think there's
[18:15] Speaker 1: going to be positives to all of them. I'm not
[18:17] Speaker 1: an optimist. But I do think there's going to be
[18:20] Speaker 1: some good things about that. Like, I love the fact,
[18:23] Speaker 1: I love the idea of a stacked schedule where we
[18:26] Speaker 1: don't have a let-up. Where they all count, right? And
[18:29] Speaker 1: where we actually make every single game count. And where
[18:33] Speaker 1: it literally would mean more, ISEC, every single week. I
[18:38] Speaker 1: would love that. I don't think it's going to happen yet.
[18:41] Speaker 3: I got to say, though, I like, like, 11-1 teams.
[18:48] Speaker 1: Right. I like I like I like 12.
[18:51] Speaker 3: Like that's part of.
[18:52] Speaker 2: The fun is the potential to build to being the
[18:54] Speaker 2: 11 and 0 team or whatever it is. Like you
[18:56] Speaker 2: get that loss and it's different at different schools. Like
[18:59] Speaker 2: the year South Carolina was doing that and then they
[19:01] Speaker 2: lost to Navy.
[19:02] Speaker 3: I believe it was like along the way. Like I, I, I,
[19:05] Speaker 3: I appreciate it like that. A bunch of nine and
[19:08] Speaker 3: two teams, like a bunch of 10 and two teams.
[19:11] Speaker 3: not really that interesting, right?
[19:14] Speaker 2: Like if Indiana had done this by being 10 and
[19:16] Speaker 2: two and then walking through the playoff, it's not nearly
[19:19] Speaker 2: as cool.
[19:20] Speaker 1: It's not nearly as cool. We like that number. We
[19:23] Speaker 1: like big number. We like big, scary team. I love
[19:25] Speaker 1: a big, scary team. We're not going to get that
[19:28] Speaker 1: as much.
[19:29] Speaker 3: No, it's over.
[19:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[19:30] Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really. And by the way, that'll
[19:32] Speaker 1: make what Indiana did. I think that's only going to wax.
[19:35] Speaker 1: I think that's only going to grow in stature as
[19:37] Speaker 1: we get further and further away from it. And I think,
[19:40] Speaker 1: by the way, they are a great team, like an
[19:43] Speaker 1: all-time great team. I do believe that because you don't
[19:46] Speaker 1: win that many games in that fashion against that many
[19:48] Speaker 1: different teams. with that many different approaches without being legitimately great.
[19:53] Speaker 1: But they caught this moment just perfectly. And I think
[19:57] Speaker 1: people will catch on to this model. They're not going
[19:59] Speaker 1: to be as good at doing it because they're not
[20:01] Speaker 1: Frank Signetti or Kurt Signetti. They're not... they're not going
[20:06] Speaker 1: to have the exact same lack of competition in this field.
[20:09] Speaker 1: I think everybody knows what they did. They're just trying
[20:12] Speaker 1: to figure out how to do it on their scale. Yeah. Yeah.
[20:16] Speaker 3: We're just messing up something. Everybody liked, I mean, uh,
[20:20] Speaker 3: Are we?
[20:21] Speaker 1: Like, that's the thing.
[20:22] Speaker 2: It's a fair question as to whether or not, I
[20:26] Speaker 2: guess it evolves and it turns into something else.
[20:29] Speaker 3: Or are we just old?
[20:30] Speaker 1: There's that.
[20:31] Speaker 3: Well, there's that, but this is an old people's world.
[20:34] Speaker 3: This is an old people's game, right?
[20:35] Speaker 2: Like, the things that are charming about this are things
[20:38] Speaker 2: that are charming to old people or have been. I just,
[20:40] Speaker 2: I think the thing to me is that I think
[20:43] Speaker 2: reducing it all to a television show misses the point.
[20:46] Speaker 2: And I think that, like, so, for example, I find
[20:50] Speaker 2: it weird when fans of rap cite the sales of
[20:56] Speaker 2: their favorite rapper as an argument as to why that's.
[20:59] Speaker 1: Their favorite rapper.
[21:01] Speaker 2: I don't care how much money these people make off
[21:04] Speaker 2: of this thing.
[21:05] Speaker 3: This isn't a thing.
[21:06] Speaker 2: Now with college sports, it becomes interesting that some of
[21:08] Speaker 2: the money stuff does matter, especially now that you have.
[21:10] Speaker 3: To pay the players.
[21:11] Speaker 2: There's an understanding that the revenue affects a lot of
[21:16] Speaker 2: the things that you say that you enjoy. But The
[21:22] Speaker 2: fact that they can make more television money off of this,
[21:24] Speaker 2: or more accurately, the fact that a bunch of people
[21:27] Speaker 2: will watch a game on television is not to me
[21:30] Speaker 2: the indication as to whether or not this is good. Like,
[21:33] Speaker 2: making these games more attractive to people who don't care.
[21:36] Speaker 3: As much is a, yeah, I guess, right? I think
[21:39] Speaker 3: that's the thing.
[21:41] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. I could buy that. I also see this, though,
[21:44] Speaker 1: that I understand this thing's going to move past me. Yeah. Like,
[21:49] Speaker 1: it's going to be here after I'm gone. And whether
[21:53] Speaker 1: it's going to be as popular or not, I can't
[21:57] Speaker 1: predict that. But I can say this, the thing that
[21:59] Speaker 1: has always made it different is that it's localized. And
[22:03] Speaker 1: the further we move away from that kind of like
[22:07] Speaker 1: regional or community thing, the weaker I think it gets.
[22:11] Speaker 1: And that is, by the way, something that I don't
[22:14] Speaker 1: think moves that easily. I think people say that like, oh, okay, well,
[22:17] Speaker 1: now you're just going to turn it into another corporate sport. Buddy,
[22:20] Speaker 1: you can't move LSU. It's not like the Colts. Right.
[22:27] Speaker 1: It's not like the Rams. It's not the Chargers, dude.
[22:31] Speaker 1: You know? You can't pick up the University of Alabama.
[22:34] Speaker 1: It's still going to be there. Right. And as transient
[22:39] Speaker 1: as the American population can get, some people just stay put, dude.
[22:43] Speaker 1: And for some of them, it's the only rubric they
[22:46] Speaker 1: have to say that they're from that place. What, like...
[22:49] Speaker 1: If you're from Texas. Yes. Right. Like, I think you
[22:52] Speaker 1: claim Texas. I, at this point, claim Atlanta. I don't
[22:56] Speaker 1: claim Georgia. You know, but but I you know, I'm
[23:01] Speaker 1: I'm a Gator fan. And that is a part of
[23:03] Speaker 1: my life stake to that spot. If you're a Texas
[23:06] Speaker 1: fan of any sort. Right. Then then it was because
[23:10] Speaker 1: you were there. And that's going to have a weight
[23:13] Speaker 1: that I think and a brand identity to speak to
[23:16] Speaker 1: those people who like to hear it in those words. Yeah. Yeah.
[23:19] Speaker 3: It doesn't budge.
[23:20] Speaker 1: It really doesn't budge.
[23:21] Speaker 2: Can you think of how crazy it would be if
[23:23] Speaker 2: you woke up one morning and it was moving trucks
[23:26] Speaker 2: pulling out of Baton Rouge and they're like, yeah, we're
[23:29] Speaker 2: moving to Vegas. They cut us a nice deal to
[23:34] Speaker 2: move into the dome. We're moving to Vegas.
[23:39] Speaker 1: If I could see any school doing that, by the way,
[23:42] Speaker 1: like I always thought Auburn was, you know, Auburn could
[23:45] Speaker 1: pick up and move. Yeah. You know, they would maintain that.
[23:48] Speaker 1: They would maintain that as like a park, the campus,
[23:50] Speaker 1: but they could move. Texas A & M, Texas A & M.
[23:53] Speaker 1: That was my next thought. It could just take off
[23:55] Speaker 1: like a spaceship, go somewhere in the Middle East, right?
[23:57] Speaker 1: Like it's because they're basically oil money anyway. Yeah.
[24:00] Speaker 3: Well, they'll get up.
[24:01] Speaker 2: Texas A & M would get up and move to
[24:04] Speaker 2: get away from Texas. And they realize, like they did,
[24:07] Speaker 2: we really kind of miss these guys. Although, actually, they
[24:10] Speaker 2: didn't realize it. Like, when Texas was like, we're coming
[24:13] Speaker 2: to the SEC, Texas A & M was like, wait
[24:15] Speaker 2: a minute.
[24:16] Speaker 3: That's our personality.
[24:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, no way. I really do enjoy, by the way,
[24:22] Speaker 1: that at one point in this conversation between Texas and
[24:24] Speaker 1: Texas A & M, A & M gets called nerds.
[24:27] Speaker 3: Yes. That's, that's amazing.
[24:29] Speaker 1: That's incredible. If you're like, so between these two Texans,
[24:33] Speaker 1: if you're outside from Texas, you would just be like, ah,
[24:35] Speaker 1: you all look the same to me. But in state
[24:37] Speaker 1: it'd be like, yeah, I don't know. You nerds think
[24:39] Speaker 1: about math.
[24:40] Speaker 2: They're the most ironic nerds on earth because they have
[24:44] Speaker 2: all the nerd hallmarks.
[24:47] Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
[24:47] Speaker 3: They're just from rural Texas. Yeah.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Just from rural Texas. And they're, they're the ones who quietly,
[24:54] Speaker 1: if you, See people in industries like little bespoke industries,
[24:57] Speaker 1: like the guy who figures out for the United States
[25:01] Speaker 1: as a whole, whether you are selling counterfeit honey. Right.
[25:04] Speaker 1: This is like a very specific thing. He's at A & M. Yes.
[25:07] Speaker 3: Right.
[25:08] Speaker 1: Like if you want like the Matlock of agricultural fraud,
[25:13] Speaker 1: the guy who figures it out. Right. They're at A & M.
[25:16] Speaker 1: They're specialized. They're extremely technical. This is one of the
[25:20] Speaker 1: things that I have learned covering college football is that
[25:22] Speaker 1: there are little specialties in schools that are much smarter
[25:25] Speaker 1: than you ever imagined. Some of the most brilliant people
[25:27] Speaker 1: I've ever met went to Clemson. People who are legit,
[25:32] Speaker 1: drop them anywhere, they will figure it out. People went
[25:35] Speaker 1: to Clemson or Texas Tech or A & M.
[25:40] Speaker 3: This little kerfuffle has got to be good for A & M, right?
[25:43] Speaker 1: Nothing but good. Absolutely great for them.
[25:46] Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know, it's all
[25:48] Speaker 2: about price accrued down there at A & M, right?
[25:51] Speaker 3: Like the money at UT is lawyer money. Steady, constant, right?
[25:57] Speaker 3: That A & M money, it come out the ground.
[25:59] Speaker 1: This is it. Texas writes the contracts for the land
[26:04] Speaker 1: and sometimes owns it. A & M, they'll figure out
[26:07] Speaker 1: what you could grow on it or get from under it. Yes.
[26:10] Speaker 1: That's what they figure out. And by the way, A &
[26:13] Speaker 1: M right now, in terms of that recruiting class, we're
[26:17] Speaker 1: making some calls, right?
[26:18] Speaker 3: We're like, son.
[26:21] Speaker 1: I know that things are scary right now geopolitically, but
[26:24] Speaker 1: have you considered how much, hey, some of us are
[26:26] Speaker 1: about to make from it. Have you considered how much
[26:28] Speaker 1: the price of crude is? I know it hurts at
[26:30] Speaker 1: the pump right now, but wouldn't it be nice if
[26:32] Speaker 1: it helped you in your bank account? If it felt
[26:34] Speaker 1: good for you, we can help you.
[26:36] Speaker 2: And also their, their money may be up and down,
[26:39] Speaker 2: but that's better than the money that Miami is offering you,
[26:42] Speaker 2: which may not be money.
[26:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[26:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:46] Speaker 3: You look like money, but it might not be money.
[26:50] Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about funny money or old school,
[26:54] Speaker 2: funny money.
[26:55] Speaker 3: It just might not be actual money.
[26:58] Speaker 1: It, it, this is the thing we can offer a
[27:02] Speaker 1: lot of different services now in terms of your benefits package.
[27:06] Speaker 1: in a way that even before we could not, right?
[27:08] Speaker 1: We could offer some funny money. What about an investment opportunity? Oh,
[27:12] Speaker 1: what about the classic? What if you want a job?
[27:15] Speaker 1: What if you want multiple jobs, right? What if we
[27:17] Speaker 1: want your uncle to get a job and your dad
[27:20] Speaker 1: and your mom, we can put them all on the payroll.
[27:22] Speaker 1: These are things that can all happen right now. What
[27:26] Speaker 1: a tie bed. Oh, I, I love the intersection of
[27:29] Speaker 1: geopolitics and college football for a lot of reasons. I
[27:32] Speaker 1: do have a master's in international affairs.
[27:34] Speaker 3: Believe it or not.
[27:35] Speaker 1: Um, but I love it specifically for Texas A &
[27:38] Speaker 1: M and LSU because right now people go, oh man,
[27:42] Speaker 1: is this sustainable?
[27:44] Speaker 3: Dude, this is America. None of it's sustainable.
[27:47] Speaker 1: Why are you asking that question?
[27:49] Speaker 3: Are you Danish?
[27:51] Speaker 1: It's all about right now, baby.
[27:54] Speaker 3: Are you planning ahead for the betterment of the community?
[27:57] Speaker 1: Oh, that's cute.
[27:59] Speaker 3: That's very cute.
[28:01] Speaker 1: Next Wednesday, crude's going to be at like 500 a barrel.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Come to LSU. Come to A & M. You want
[28:08] Speaker 1: to counter the menace of the Big Ten? Don't ever
[28:12] Speaker 1: let them figure that out. Don't ever let that mess.
[28:15] Speaker 3: That kerfuffle, keep it going. It's great.
[28:17] Speaker 1: We'll get so many defensive tackles.
[28:19] Speaker 3: That's right. LSU is refinery money.
[28:22] Speaker 1: Because A & M, oil money. LSU, we take the oil.
[28:27] Speaker 1: We get it from point A to point B, right?
[28:30] Speaker 1: I love, this is, if you want to know how
[28:33] Speaker 1: bizarre your conversations around college football can get, an argument
[28:36] Speaker 1: with an LSU fan can end with, you need to
[28:38] Speaker 1: thank me for being.
[28:39] Speaker 3: Warm in the winter. What? Yes.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not entirely wrong, right? LSU is like
[28:46] Speaker 1: refinery money, pipeline money, the know-how, right? To get the
[28:51] Speaker 1: transport and logistics.
[28:53] Speaker 2: You and I need to write the book about like
[28:56] Speaker 2: some across the country, where the money comes from.
[28:59] Speaker 3: I don't have the title. I don't know whatever it is.
[29:01] Speaker 2: Like I was talking about buddy Dimitri and he was
[29:03] Speaker 2: telling a story once about telling me a story about, uh,
[29:06] Speaker 2: the beef that they have, um, at Alabama, like the
[29:10] Speaker 2: split in the money is the, the, the iron money
[29:13] Speaker 2: up North and the timber money down South. Yeah. Once
[29:18] Speaker 2: you know where the money, a lot is explained at
[29:20] Speaker 2: every program.
[29:21] Speaker 3: Once you know where the money comes from Miami money,
[29:25] Speaker 3: don't ask. Don't, It's pretty much any Miami question, right?
[29:30] Speaker 1: Yes.
[29:30] Speaker 3: Like, where does it come from?
[29:33] Speaker 1: Stuff. Stuff. Meta. It's like Miami will come and go
[29:38] Speaker 1: because their money is comes from a meta economy it's
[29:41] Speaker 1: an economy on top of an asset on top of
[29:43] Speaker 1: an asset sometimes it's cooking sometimes brother it ain't uh
[29:47] Speaker 1: a and m in texas that's gonna vary like it
[29:50] Speaker 1: to a and m particularly is gonna vary with crude
[29:52] Speaker 1: if you look at kentucky or as this look at
[29:54] Speaker 1: alabama people go man how does alabama have money well
[29:58] Speaker 1: Let me introduce you to the glory that is offshore
[30:02] Speaker 1: coal mines. And by offshore, I mean overseas. That's coal money,
[30:07] Speaker 1: coal money and shipping money, right? The port of Mobile
[30:10] Speaker 1: and coal taken out of the ground in Columbia helps
[30:13] Speaker 1: fuel Alabama football. Like that is those are two of
[30:17] Speaker 1: the things that do it. They're not alone in that.
[30:19] Speaker 1: And those aren't the only things that do it. But
[30:21] Speaker 1: where the money comes from is absolutely crazy.
[30:24] Speaker 3: Do you know?
[30:25] Speaker 1: Do you know where Texas tax money comes from? It's
[30:26] Speaker 1: from one guy.
[30:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a gazillion dollars. Yeah, and where did
[30:31] Speaker 3: that come from?
[30:32] Speaker 1: That's oil. That's 100% oil. That is a petrochemical empire
[30:38] Speaker 1: that is doing that right there. Where does Michigan's money
[30:41] Speaker 1: come from? Where are they spending money from? They're spending
[30:44] Speaker 1: money from Ross and from a bunch of other dudes
[30:46] Speaker 1: because Michigan has a lot of rich guys.
[30:49] Speaker 3: You left out the one who matters now.
[30:51] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.
[30:53] Speaker 2: Who isn't even a Michigan grad.
[30:55] Speaker 3: He's just tricking on one.
[30:58] Speaker 1: Ellison, who happens to be dropping money for them.
[31:01] Speaker 3: And by the way.
[31:02] Speaker 2: I was like, for people who don't know, it's not
[31:04] Speaker 2: Ellison that's the Michigan fan here.
[31:07] Speaker 1: No, that would be Ellison's girlfriend.
[31:09] Speaker 3: Not his wife!
[31:11] Speaker 1: Nope. Girlfriend.
[31:12] Speaker 2: Girlfriend.
[31:13] Speaker 1: Who occasionally points and says, that's a good quarterback, you
[31:16] Speaker 1: should go get him. And Ellison, from his Japanese-style dojo, right,
[31:23] Speaker 1: in Malibu, where he keeps buying property to get further
[31:26] Speaker 1: and further away from people, just.
[31:28] Speaker 3: Peels off a couple mil. Here you go.
[31:30] Speaker 1: Right.
[31:30] Speaker 3: Like, I mean, because the bottom line is boosterism is tricking.
[31:34] Speaker 1: Right. It is.
[31:36] Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of secondary tricking. Like second
[31:41] Speaker 2: order tricking is what we've got here. He's tricking on
[31:43] Speaker 2: her by tricking on Michigan.
[31:45] Speaker 3: That is different. Yeah.
[31:47] Speaker 1: And it is different, but it is pretty much like
[31:51] Speaker 1: when you go, why are you doing this thing that
[31:53] Speaker 1: you'll never see a dime from? Right. It's because you're
[31:55] Speaker 1: getting something out of it. Yes. What is the incentive, right?
[31:59] Speaker 3: Am I stunting?
[32:00] Speaker 1: I'm stunting for someone else in this case, which is
[32:03] Speaker 1: very interesting to me. That's different, right? If you look
[32:07] Speaker 1: at why other boosters do it, why does Phil Knight
[32:10] Speaker 1: do it? Well, Phil Knight, I think, saw the University
[32:12] Speaker 1: of Oregon as both a home, but he also saw
[32:15] Speaker 1: it as a way to market Nike. Yes.
[32:17] Speaker 3: Right?
[32:19] Speaker 1: He essentially purchased the House of Speed. He essentially made
[32:23] Speaker 1: the cult of Steve P. Fontaine and then was like, hey,
[32:26] Speaker 1: You know what would go well with that? How about
[32:29] Speaker 1: a football team? How about a football team, by the way,
[32:32] Speaker 1: that's never been consistently good? Never prior to Phil Knight
[32:37] Speaker 1: starting to throw down.
[32:39] Speaker 2: If I have not mistaken, Rich Brooks' record at Oregon
[32:41] Speaker 2: is under 500 and there's a street named after him.
[32:44] Speaker 1: That is correct. That is correct. And then after that,
[32:48] Speaker 1: you just get a program that became his show pony.
[32:52] Speaker 1: And Phil Knight's on the headset. Like there are photos
[32:54] Speaker 1: of Phil Knight on the headset. there if you are
[32:57] Speaker 1: a booster with money you can get as involved as
[33:00] Speaker 1: you want to for whatever reasons you want to think
[33:03] Speaker 1: of that freedom there's no board governing you no one's
[33:07] Speaker 1: gonna get on your ass about uh you know like
[33:10] Speaker 1: the ethics of being too involved it's your pet you
[33:14] Speaker 1: can do whatever you want it's past cash the reward
[33:18] Speaker 1: that you get the control that you get right i
[33:22] Speaker 1: i get why people do it right they i don't
[33:25] Speaker 1: if At a certain point, the money doesn't matter anymore.
[33:28] Speaker 2: Although I'll say, Ellison, before we go into break, Ellison
[33:31] Speaker 2: got a lot of money.
[33:32] Speaker 1: You know what else?
[33:33] Speaker 3: He owes a lot of money.
[33:34] Speaker 2: And that's going to be good. That guy, his tricking
[33:39] Speaker 2: is not a permanent condition. But coming up next, we
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[34:50] Speaker 1: We are back with Spencer Hall.
[34:52] Speaker 2: Have you seen this thing with that dude, Will Wade,
[34:54] Speaker 2: the basketball coach at LSU, who is like, we ain't
[34:59] Speaker 2: had just a flagrantly shameless guy like Will Wade in
[35:03] Speaker 2: quite a while. My thing about that sort of guy
[35:06] Speaker 2: is he got to be a little more charming with it, right?
[35:08] Speaker 2: Like if you're going to be, we'll call it renegade, right?
[35:12] Speaker 2: That's the cute way to put it. You got to, like,
[35:14] Speaker 2: if you're going to be Barry Switzer, you got to
[35:15] Speaker 2: have a little something to you about it. If you're
[35:17] Speaker 2: going to be Jerry Tarkanian, You got to have a
[35:19] Speaker 2: little something to you. If you're going to be John Calipari,
[35:21] Speaker 2: you got to have something to you. This dude just
[35:24] Speaker 2: does the stuff. And now his new thing is who
[35:27] Speaker 2: has been drafted in the, in the league before, but
[35:30] Speaker 2: still has some eligibility and maybe 25 years old.
[35:32] Speaker 3: How'd you like to come play for LSU?
[35:35] Speaker 1: Again, in an era of increased player mobility and the
[35:38] Speaker 1: free market, we seek experience.
[35:40] Speaker 3: That's it.
[35:41] Speaker 1: These everybody's learning the question. Everybody's learning the lesson that
[35:44] Speaker 1: BYU learned in the eighties. Hey, it's a lot easier
[35:47] Speaker 1: to win games if these guys are 22, 23, 24
[35:50] Speaker 1: years old. Yes.
[35:51] Speaker 3: You're going on a mission trip?
[35:53] Speaker 1: That's great. Let me send you some protein powder. Let
[35:56] Speaker 1: me send you a list of workouts you can do
[35:58] Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. Kansas State. Kansas State. Kansas State
[36:03] Speaker 1: learned that lesson. Indiana obviously learned that lesson. Well, Wade
[36:07] Speaker 1: understands that you want.
[36:09] Speaker 3: Experience, age, size, and cohesion. That's it. Well, it's because.
[36:16] Speaker 2: a metaphor for America, which is we ain't trying to
[36:20] Speaker 2: build shit.
[36:21] Speaker 3: We ain't trying to grow shit. We just trying to
[36:24] Speaker 3: buy low, right? Like you, you go do all the
[36:27] Speaker 3: hard work.
[36:28] Speaker 1: Right?
[36:29] Speaker 3: We'll just come in and scoop the dude up once
[36:32] Speaker 3: the chance comes.
[36:32] Speaker 2: That's why the NCAA tournament and the NFL draft, now
[36:35] Speaker 2: look where they do.
[36:36] Speaker 3: In the draft, we saw this.
[36:39] Speaker 2: The heartwarming stories, the guys coming from small schools, those
[36:42] Speaker 2: small schools may be weigh stations. They may stop there
[36:45] Speaker 2: for a little while, but that's not going to be
[36:47] Speaker 2: the name that's on the screen at the end. Those
[36:50] Speaker 2: dudes are all getting harvested. Like, this is everything else.
[36:54] Speaker 2: The rich people let you take all the risk. And
[36:57] Speaker 2: they just come in right fast.
[36:58] Speaker 3: At the end.
[37:00] Speaker 1: And it's the smart thing to do if you're them.
[37:02] Speaker 1: We don't have to develop talent anymore.
[37:05] Speaker 3: We don't.
[37:06] Speaker 1: There are some places that still try to do that. Georgia.
[37:09] Speaker 1: Georgia does not take a whole lot of transfers, by
[37:12] Speaker 1: the way. Clemson, in college football at least, has decided
[37:17] Speaker 1: they're just not going to do that. And thus far,
[37:20] Speaker 1: it hasn't cost Georgia. It's really cost Clemson in terms
[37:23] Speaker 1: of their overall performance it cannot be denied at this
[37:26] Speaker 1: point that that it really has damaged them and they're
[37:30] Speaker 1: standing nationally i think it's going to catch up with
[37:34] Speaker 1: georgia but point being you don't have to do that
[37:36] Speaker 1: anymore you can just this is again we're going to
[37:38] Speaker 1: go back to soccer right hey little team crazy little
[37:43] Speaker 1: team in argentina that's crazy you got this amazing guy
[37:46] Speaker 1: i think we'll take him we'll take him in naples
[37:50] Speaker 1: that's that's oh i'm sorry we'll take him in barcelona Right.
[37:53] Speaker 3: Big boys came in to get Maradona.
[37:55] Speaker 1: Right. You don't hang on to them. You're just developing them.
[38:00] Speaker 1: And there is a niche for that. There are teams
[38:03] Speaker 1: that are going to make their living off of that.
[38:05] Speaker 1: I think there should be transfer fees across the board
[38:09] Speaker 1: in college sports, because I think that's one way of
[38:12] Speaker 1: recognizing the value of the work that these smaller places do.
[38:16] Speaker 2: I told you when I was working on that story
[38:17] Speaker 2: about Trinidad Chambliss, I talked to Tony Anise. He's the
[38:19] Speaker 2: coach at Ferris State. He was like, dude, we lost
[38:21] Speaker 2: seven guys. yeah to d1 programs like fbs.
[38:25] Speaker 1: Programs fair state should get a check for each one
[38:27] Speaker 1: of the laws i think those guys should get checks
[38:30] Speaker 1: too yes yes 100 like i think they should be
[38:33] Speaker 1: paid but at the same time if you are more
[38:37] Speaker 1: than a way station if you have made these players
[38:39] Speaker 1: better identified them scouted them and then have the rights
[38:42] Speaker 1: to make them better get some compensation in return.
[38:47] Speaker 2: Right right now I want to put a pin in
[38:49] Speaker 2: what we were talking about LSU right fast, but I
[38:51] Speaker 2: want to point something out that's interesting. I think, as
[38:53] Speaker 2: you mentioned, Clemson, as I've noticed. So we put out
[38:56] Speaker 2: a pod on Wednesday. It was me and Joel Anderson.
[38:59] Speaker 2: And we talked about we wound up talking about this NCAA, NCAA, NAACP,
[39:05] Speaker 2: the talk they have about boycotting. They're saying Southern schools,
[39:09] Speaker 2: but they're being there. They're saying SEC.
[39:12] Speaker 1: Right.
[39:13] Speaker 2: Because one problem with this is the mouthpieces appear to
[39:16] Speaker 2: have had any fucking clue what they're talking about. Or
[39:18] Speaker 2: at the very least, they don't know anything about the
[39:20] Speaker 2: world that they're talking about. Like, in my opinion, I
[39:23] Speaker 2: think they have a cartoonish idea, these white people. And
[39:26] Speaker 2: they're like, we're gonna hit them what really matters they're
[39:28] Speaker 2: they're they're football is how we wind up calling Tim
[39:30] Speaker 2: Waltz coach right they're like hey I know what those
[39:33] Speaker 2: people think is important and that's how we're going to
[39:35] Speaker 2: get them right but I saw Hakeem Jeffrey stand up
[39:38] Speaker 2: and say who is not he's a congressman he's not
[39:41] Speaker 2: an NAACP uh representative but anyway He got up there
[39:44] Speaker 2: and said, and he specifically said, these SEC schools, these
[39:48] Speaker 2: SEC schools, these SEC schools.
[39:50] Speaker 3: And I'm like, Clemson over there, like, yeah.
[39:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:53] Speaker 3: SEC schools. That's right. That's where the problem is. Florida State.
[40:00] Speaker 1: Yeah. The SEC.
[40:02] Speaker 3: And that's where I'm like, oh, guys, we haven't thought
[40:04] Speaker 3: about this at all. This is just a press conference
[40:06] Speaker 3: right now. I get you. I see what you're going for.
[40:08] Speaker 3: But I saw a.
[40:11] Speaker 2: Thing on the Internet where it was like, make the
[40:13] Speaker 2: SEC rosters as white as their legislatures.
[40:16] Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, we're really just talking about the SEC. Oh,
[40:20] Speaker 3: got you. Got you. Guys. Guys, what are we doing?
[40:23] Speaker 1: What are we doing? Yeah. I mean, I think black
[40:26] Speaker 1: athletes should be able to be in a place where
[40:29] Speaker 1: they could simultaneously vote and attend a school within 200
[40:33] Speaker 1: miles of their parents' house.
[40:36] Speaker 3: It's tricky. It's tricky, right? It's just, I just, again,
[40:39] Speaker 3: my concern.
[40:40] Speaker 2: When I talked to Joel about this was, my concern
[40:42] Speaker 2: is it feels like it's a lot of here's what
[40:43] Speaker 2: y'all can do and not a lot of here's what
[40:45] Speaker 2: we gonna do. And I know it's a lot of
[40:47] Speaker 2: here's what y'all can do when they don't even recognize
[40:50] Speaker 2: that there's more than one conference that exists.
[40:53] Speaker 3: In a lot of these states.
[40:54] Speaker 2: Just had that thought. One thought out there. Now I
[40:56] Speaker 2: want to get back to this LSU thing that you're
[40:59] Speaker 2: going to love.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Okay?
[41:00] Speaker 2: And yes, this is breakneck pace in this back half
[41:02] Speaker 2: of the show, but you're going to love this.
[41:04] Speaker 1: Okay.
[41:05] Speaker 3: Rod and I talked about this.
[41:06] Speaker 2: Now, Rod's an LSU grad, so it's different with him,
[41:08] Speaker 2: but I don't like Kim Mulkey, but I love her.
[41:12] Speaker 3: I love the mere fact that she exists.
[41:15] Speaker 2: I love her ridiculous get-ups. I kind of love the
[41:19] Speaker 2: fact that she's like a high school valedictorian with a
[41:21] Speaker 2: 4.0 who seems to have like this warm relationship with
[41:24] Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and has politics that I absolutely abhor, okay?
[41:29] Speaker 3: Like all of these things are the case.
[41:32] Speaker 2: I also kind of love that with all of those
[41:35] Speaker 2: things being the case, like she reminds me so much
[41:37] Speaker 2: of Texas in the sense that she's the white woman
[41:39] Speaker 2: that's riding for everything I hate, but go look at
[41:41] Speaker 2: those teams she trotting out there, right?
[41:44] Speaker 3: She's like, this is who she chooses to hang out with. Okay, right?
[41:48] Speaker 3: It's all over the place.
[41:50] Speaker 2: I want you to guess what Kim Mulkey's middle name is,
[41:53] Speaker 2: and the hint that I'm giving you is that it
[41:54] Speaker 2: starts with a D.
[41:58] Speaker 3: Deanna. Take one more.
[42:04] Speaker 1: This is going to be a miss. It's a brick. Daphne.
[42:08] Speaker 1: Last hint.
[42:08] Speaker 3: It ends in an E. I'm going to go Diane.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Dwayne.
[42:20] Speaker 3: You're fucking kidding me.
[42:26] Speaker 1: D-U-A-N-E. Dwayne. Dwayne?
[42:30] Speaker 3: Dwayne.
[42:30] Speaker 1: Dwayne.
[42:32] Speaker 3: Like, is it Dwayne?
[42:34] Speaker 2: Is it.
[42:35] Speaker 3: Dwayne.
[42:36] Speaker 1: D-U-A-N-E.
[42:37] Speaker 3: You tried telling me her middle name's Dwayne?
[42:41] Speaker 1: Dwayne.
[42:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, like Dwayne.
[42:44] Speaker 1: Like the guy with 30-06 shells in his cup holder.
[42:48] Speaker 3: That is correct.
[42:49] Speaker 1: Like Dwayne.
[42:51] Speaker 3: That is correct.
[42:52] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like Dwayne, he's doing real well. He's got his
[42:55] Speaker 1: own truck now. He's running the whole business. The second
[42:59] Speaker 1: marriage is going good.
[43:00] Speaker 3: Kids love him. Yes. Plays the slide guitar.
[43:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Old boy used to run around in the day,
[43:05] Speaker 1: but he's a little old for that now, and he's good. Yes. Yes.
[43:10] Speaker 2: I love that, by the way, Dwayne and Dwight are
[43:13] Speaker 2: two names that could either be hashtag white Dwayne or
[43:16] Speaker 2: black Dwayne or hashtag black Dwight or white Dwight. Either way,
[43:20] Speaker 2: they fit both and don't fit both at the same time.
[43:23] Speaker 2: But yes, this woman's middle name is Dwayne. She is
[43:26] Speaker 2: Kimberly Dwayne Mulkey. That's the country's name of all time.
[43:33] Speaker 1: She puts me in so many, like, binds. She does.
[43:37] Speaker 1: Cause I don't like her, but you know, you got
[43:39] Speaker 1: to say, okay, listen, I got to give her credit
[43:41] Speaker 1: on something. That's a legendary college basketball player.
[43:44] Speaker 3: Yes.
[43:44] Speaker 1: Like she's, she was incredible as a player. She obviously
[43:49] Speaker 1: has results as a coach. I would rather set myself
[43:54] Speaker 1: on fire than root for her, but I have to
[43:56] Speaker 1: at least give her the.
[43:57] Speaker 3: Resume, you know?
[43:58] Speaker 1: Yes. And at the same time too, I understand this
[44:03] Speaker 1: kind of person because first of all, This only her
[44:07] Speaker 1: middle name being Dwayne only adds to my I came
[44:10] Speaker 1: from nothing. I deserve everything. Give me nothing and I
[44:15] Speaker 1: will get something. And I don't owe the world shit.
[44:18] Speaker 1: That's her thing.
[44:19] Speaker 3: I get that.
[44:20] Speaker 1: There's there are a million people out there like her.
[44:23] Speaker 3: Right.
[44:24] Speaker 1: In terms of that attitude, in terms of results, pretty minimal.
[44:27] Speaker 1: Like not many people can stack up what she's stacked up. Right.
[44:31] Speaker 1: She's part of this cast at LSU right now. That
[44:33] Speaker 1: entire institution has just decided to go black hat.
[44:36] Speaker 2: Yo, Lane, Kiffin, Will, Wade, and Kim Mulkey. That is,
[44:40] Speaker 2: you want to talk about it.
[44:41] Speaker 3: What's the word? A triumvirate?
[44:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[44:44] Speaker 3: That's something.
[44:46] Speaker 1: Just full black hat. And Mulkey is probably, people will say, well,
[44:50] Speaker 1: Lane's outrageous.
[44:51] Speaker 3: Lane's not outrageous. Lane has no boundaries.
[44:54] Speaker 1: Yes. That's the thing. You're mistaken sloppy and brilliant for
[44:58] Speaker 1: somebody who's outrageous.
[45:00] Speaker 3: That's not him.
[45:01] Speaker 1: Lane just doesn't, Lane takes all the food on his
[45:03] Speaker 1: plate and mashes it up all at once. He's just
[45:05] Speaker 1: a hyperactive dude who can't organize and has a knack
[45:08] Speaker 1: for brilliant play calling. He really is. He's a brilliant
[45:10] Speaker 1: play caller. And for some, I don't understand how he recruits,
[45:14] Speaker 1: by the way. If you've been in the room with him,
[45:16] Speaker 1: I don't get it, but he's good at it. I
[45:19] Speaker 1: don't know how that works, but it happens. Mulkey's the
[45:22] Speaker 1: one who you're like, man, you had a player who
[45:25] Speaker 1: was imprisoned in Russia. Someone who earned you money.
[45:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[45:30] Speaker 3: Earned you money. Got you money.
[45:32] Speaker 1: As a coach. Best player you ever coach. Best player
[45:35] Speaker 1: you ever coach. Legendary player. And all you had to
[45:39] Speaker 1: say was, I'd like to see her out of a
[45:42] Speaker 1: Russian prison. That's all you had to say. She didn't.
[45:49] Speaker 1: She didn't. Like, hey, do you have anything to say
[45:52] Speaker 1: about your player who's in a Russian prison for, like,
[45:56] Speaker 1: some kind of dodgy reasons?
[45:59] Speaker 3: Nope.
[46:01] Speaker 1: I have forgotten she did that. No, no comment. Bo,
[46:05] Speaker 1: I hate a lot of people. I don't know how
[46:08] Speaker 1: many of them deserve a Russian prison.
[46:11] Speaker 3: Probably three Russian, a Russian prison, a Russian prison.
[46:15] Speaker 1: You're stuck in a Russian prison and you can't at
[46:18] Speaker 1: least say, Hey, my heart goes out to her. I,
[46:21] Speaker 1: you can't say, well, that sucks.
[46:23] Speaker 3: You know what?
[46:23] Speaker 1: If she had just said, Hey man, that sucks. That's
[46:26] Speaker 1: more empathy than you demonstrated. or wanted to talk about, right?
[46:31] Speaker 1: And this is before we get into anything else about
[46:33] Speaker 1: Kim Mulkey.
[46:34] Speaker 2: One of my ultimate, I wish I'd have that one back,
[46:37] Speaker 2: is when Brittany first got locked up. We were doing
[46:39] Speaker 2: the first season of Game Theory, and we had some
[46:41] Speaker 2: jokes about how you ain't want to have to guard
[46:43] Speaker 2: Brittany after she got out the joint, when she showed
[46:45] Speaker 2: up with the Russian.
[46:46] Speaker 1: Tattoos and all of that stuff.
[46:47] Speaker 2: But that's when we thought she was only going to
[46:50] Speaker 2: be in for maybe a week or two.
[46:53] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. We didn't expect her to do
[46:55] Speaker 1: all that time. And I... I would have liked to
[46:58] Speaker 1: have had that one back.
[46:59] Speaker 3: I would have liked to have taken that one back.
[47:02] Speaker 3: Hindsight is 20-20. And you know what?
[47:06] Speaker 1: In the circles you move in, Bo, you might get
[47:08] Speaker 1: to have that conversation with her. I could.
[47:11] Speaker 2: And hopefully she did not see it because she was
[47:14] Speaker 2: in a Russian prison and a little too busy to
[47:16] Speaker 2: be concerned with television shows on HBO.
[47:18] Speaker 1: If you do get to have that conversation with her,
[47:20] Speaker 1: I can fake a heart attack at the same time.
[47:23] Speaker 1: If you need that, I'll volunteer.
[47:25] Speaker 2: I had somebody on the staff the second season who
[47:27] Speaker 2: was woke than a motherfucker and was not happy about
[47:30] Speaker 2: the fact that we had done that the previous season.
[47:32] Speaker 3: I'm like, look, you should have took the job. We
[47:34] Speaker 3: can't do nothing about this now.
[47:35] Speaker 1: We just can't.
[47:37] Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if I ever told you the story.
[47:39] Speaker 2: My dad tells the story about how, you know, this
[47:42] Speaker 2: is back when we used to talk about people being ugly.
[47:44] Speaker 3: Like we don't really do that anymore.
[47:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:45] Speaker 2: And he was having a conversation with another couple, and
[47:48] Speaker 2: he was talking about how somebody was ugly. Now, I'm
[47:51] Speaker 2: going to use an example of someone who is not
[47:53] Speaker 2: ugly so that I cannot be accused of saying somebody
[47:56] Speaker 2: is ugly in public, right?
[47:57] Speaker 3: So we'll just throw it out there. Let's just say
[48:00] Speaker 3: the ugly.
[48:00] Speaker 2: Person's name was Sanaa Lathan, who obviously is not ugly.
[48:05] Speaker 1: Just a placeholder.
[48:07] Speaker 2: And he's going out, boy, some people so ugly, they
[48:09] Speaker 2: just can't help it. Like that's not Latham. And he's
[48:11] Speaker 2: just talking and talking and he's noticing it's getting a
[48:13] Speaker 2: little weird in there and he don't understand why it's
[48:15] Speaker 2: getting so weird.
[48:16] Speaker 3: He's like, what's the problem?
[48:17] Speaker 2: And his homeboy says, and he's sitting there next to
[48:20] Speaker 2: his woman and he goes, people always tell my wife
[48:22] Speaker 2: how much she look like Sinai Latham.
[48:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[48:26] Speaker 1: And I told you, I've asked my daddy 10 times
[48:28] Speaker 1: in this story. I'm like, well, what did you do next?
[48:29] Speaker 3: And he said the same thing every time. I just
[48:31] Speaker 3: started talking about something else.
[48:35] Speaker 2: There was no purpose in staying in this moment. And
[48:39] Speaker 2: so he just went on to something else. And that's
[48:41] Speaker 2: how I felt about Brittany Groton when she was stuck
[48:43] Speaker 2: in jail.
[48:43] Speaker 3: We just go act like we ain't do that shit.
[48:45] Speaker 1: Post through it.
[48:46] Speaker 3: Just post through it.
[48:47] Speaker 1: Yep.
[48:47] Speaker 3: That's about all you, that's about all you can do.
[48:50] Speaker 3: Shout out to Moe Jizzle. You know what I'm saying?
[48:53] Speaker 3: You remember Moe Jizzle?
[48:54] Speaker 2: I do. Like that is such an, I way too
[48:58] Speaker 2: online reference, but for those of us who would air,
[49:00] Speaker 2: if you knew the story of Moe Jizzle boy, Moe
[49:03] Speaker 2: Jizzle was just like, I have nothing to gain by
[49:06] Speaker 2: acknowledging what these people are saying about me.
[49:09] Speaker 1: Just, just post, just post through it, man. That's about
[49:11] Speaker 1: all you can do. Keep going. Yeah.
[49:14] Speaker 3: Um, Yeah. Also, we didn't know she was going to
[49:16] Speaker 3: be there that long.
[49:16] Speaker 1: We didn't know she was going to be there that long.
[49:18] Speaker 1: It's an unreasonable impression.
[49:20] Speaker 3: Like, it was always a little edgy, right?
[49:22] Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to pretend like I didn't know
[49:23] Speaker 2: that we was always just kind of on the edge.
[49:26] Speaker 3: But at the same time, the joke was really funny.
[49:29] Speaker 1: I mean, on the full cast the other day, I
[49:31] Speaker 1: made a Paul Walker joke that I probably should have
[49:33] Speaker 1: pulled back. But you know what? It's out there right now.
[49:36] Speaker 1: Nothing I can do about it. Okay.
[49:38] Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you The best game theory joke
[49:41] Speaker 2: that we decided not to pull. It killed in the
[49:43] Speaker 2: room and it did not kill in front of the
[49:46] Speaker 2: studio audience, but I think it would have killed in television.
[49:50] Speaker 1: We were doing something. I think it was a sports
[49:52] Speaker 1: washing issue.
[49:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. And we were talking about the idea that the
[49:58] Speaker 2: Germans were using the 1936 Olympics for their sports washing.
[50:02] Speaker 2: But we ignored the fact that the United States uses
[50:04] Speaker 2: sports washing all the time in all the ways, including
[50:07] Speaker 2: the 1936 Olympics, right?
[50:08] Speaker 3: Like that was like Jesse Owens. Like somehow we were
[50:10] Speaker 3: the good guys.
[50:11] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because Jesse was going to go home to
[50:13] Speaker 1: a nation that welcomed him and had allowed him to
[50:16] Speaker 1: participate fully in society at every state.
[50:19] Speaker 2: And instead, he returned home to a country where he
[50:23] Speaker 2: was not invited to the White House by the president
[50:27] Speaker 2: of the United States, who was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And
[50:31] Speaker 2: I ad-libbed in the table read about Roosevelt not honoring
[50:36] Speaker 2: Jesse Owens for winning all those medals for running.
[50:39] Speaker 1: And I said, what a hater. And there was that
[50:48] Speaker 1: brief moment where people were like, what? Oh, whoa.
[50:51] Speaker 3: Whoa. Hey.
[50:56] Speaker 2: Now, I think there were multiple levels of interpretation that
[51:01] Speaker 2: one could have had in that moment.
[51:03] Speaker 3: I think that we should have.
[51:04] Speaker 2: Pasted in a super laugh track and it would have worked.
[51:07] Speaker 2: But everybody was just a little bit afraid.
[51:09] Speaker 3: But I'm sorry. That shit was funny.
[51:12] Speaker 2: I don't feel like I got to be that concerned
[51:14] Speaker 2: about how racists feel, especially dead ones.
[51:17] Speaker 1: Listen, you can cut this, but my favorite joke of
[51:19] Speaker 1: all time, my favorite political joke at least, you know
[51:23] Speaker 1: Mort Sahl was?
[51:24] Speaker 3: I'm unfamiliar.
[51:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, 50s, 60s humorist.
[51:28] Speaker 3: He had a gag.
[51:29] Speaker 1: Wernher von Braun wrote an autobiography. Wernher von Braun was
[51:32] Speaker 1: the scientist who got us to the moon. The guy
[51:36] Speaker 1: who was one of the cornerstones of NASA, rocket propulsion genius.
[51:39] Speaker 1: And he also happened to use slave labor to build
[51:42] Speaker 1: V2s for the Nazis.
[51:43] Speaker 3: Oh, okay. You know, we all got a past.
[51:48] Speaker 1: And he also, you know, bombed London as part of his,
[51:51] Speaker 1: you know, helped bomb London, helped kill civilians as part
[51:54] Speaker 1: of a German military machine. Anyway, the name of Wernher
[52:00] Speaker 1: von Braun's autobiography was I Aim for the Stars. It's
[52:04] Speaker 1: a killer title, right? Like editor fist pumping, right? Like, yeah,
[52:07] Speaker 1: that's good shit. Mort Sahl was like, it should have
[52:10] Speaker 1: been called I Aim for the Stars, but sometimes I
[52:13] Speaker 1: hit London. And I have relayed that anecdote like 400
[52:25] Speaker 1: times and I crack up every time.
[52:34] Speaker 3: I'll never have a line that good.
[52:36] Speaker 1: Never.
[52:38] Speaker 2: Shout out to Ryan Brubly, who currently is doing a
[52:41] Speaker 2: great deal of a great job of producing as he
[52:43] Speaker 2: just sent me a text that said, and I quote,
[52:45] Speaker 2: feels like a great time to end. That is Spencer Hall.
[52:49] Speaker 2: Check him out on Channel 6 and Incredible Newsletter that
[52:51] Speaker 2: I highly recommend you guys check out and the Shutdown Fullcast.
[52:54] Speaker 3: My brother, I appreciate you.
[52:56] Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
[52:57] Speaker 3: Thanks.
[52:58] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here
[52:59] Speaker 2: on The Right Time. We do this four days a week.
[53:03] Speaker 2: Ryan Brumley handles everything behind the scenes.
[53:05] Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.
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