# Harden & Cavs QUIT vs, Knicks, The OKC "Blue Devils" & Jackson Dart’s Trump Problem | 05.26

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 26 May 2026, 53 min.

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Bomani Jones reacts to a jam-packed weekend of NBA playoff action. First, he discusses James Harden and the Cleveland Cavaliers' loser behavior & why the Knicks suddenly look like the most locked-in team in basketball. Later, he breaks down why OKC’s style has earned them the “Blue Devils” label, and why Jackson Dart’s Trump rally appearance was such a brutal self-own. Finally, Bomani digs into the CBC vs. SCORE Act fight and explains why using college athletes as political bargaining chips misses the point entirely. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Wave.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave
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[0:16] Speaker 1: Jones.
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[0:22] Speaker 2: give us five stars. You only give us four stars.
[0:25] Speaker 2: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. In a minute,
[0:29] Speaker 2: we're going to talk about why the Thunder is really
[0:32] Speaker 2: just some devils. You know what I'm saying? We're going
[0:35] Speaker 2: to talk about Jackson Dart. There's a lot of blue
[0:38] Speaker 2: in the show that's coming up here. Even the Congressional
[0:42] Speaker 2: Black Caucus, they're a different kind of blue than Jackson Dart.
[0:45] Speaker 2: Very opposite. But anyway, how about those New York Knicks?
[0:52] Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. And we talked about this
[0:55] Speaker 2: a couple of days ago on the show where I've
[0:56] Speaker 2: raised the question. How long would it take before people
[1:01] Speaker 2: jumped off the Knicks?
[1:03] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:03] Speaker 2: And I mean, and when I say people, I really
[1:06] Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm a Knicks fan. I'll be honest.
[1:08] Speaker 2: I know what the hell I mean. I mean, I
[1:09] Speaker 2: know what I mean.
[1:09] Speaker 4: I didn't.
[1:11] Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I'm saying, all right? Hear me out,
[1:12] Speaker 2: hear me out. And I think you'll get where I
[1:14] Speaker 2: was coming from, which is they had just been so
[1:16] Speaker 2: dominant in just running through people that if they lost
[1:19] Speaker 2: a game by, call it seven points, would people be like, oh, okay, well,
[1:22] Speaker 2: now that was fun. That was over. The example I've
[1:25] Speaker 2: made all the time, I watched the San Antonio Spurs
[1:28] Speaker 2: in 2012 win 20 games in a row and then
[1:30] Speaker 2: they lost four in a row and it was over, right?
[1:32] Speaker 2: So my question simply was, at what point, when would
[1:36] Speaker 2: it be that people would just be like, oh, okay,
[1:39] Speaker 2: that was cool. Well, clearly that shit's not going to
[1:42] Speaker 2: happen because they in the finals now. The NBA finals,
[1:47] Speaker 2: the ones at the end of the year. Yeah, they
[1:51] Speaker 2: in that. And they didn't just like tiptoe into it.
[1:56] Speaker 2: They haven't lost a game in a month. And the
[2:01] Speaker 2: only close game they had was kind of close, except
[2:05] Speaker 2: they walked Cleveland down so bad that. Okay, try to think.
[2:15] Speaker 2: When J.R. Smith went the wrong way with the ball,
[2:19] Speaker 2: Because remember, the Cavs were about to be up and
[2:21] Speaker 2: had a great chance to be up 1-0 on the Warriors.
[2:24] Speaker 2: Then J.R. got the rebound and went the wrong way
[2:27] Speaker 2: for what remains maybe the funniest thing I've ever seen
[2:32] Speaker 2: in my life. I feel so bad for LeBron, but
[2:35] Speaker 2: not bad enough not to be laughing at him. Ryan,
[2:38] Speaker 2: you remember that? When he was going like that? When
[2:40] Speaker 2: he had the hands out?
[2:41] Speaker 3: He was so mad.
[2:42] Speaker 2: It broke his brain he just 100 could not believe
[2:46] Speaker 2: that shit happened right neither could we but i've never
[2:49] Speaker 2: seen a situation take a guy on the floor like
[2:53] Speaker 2: that right and just completely because braun be trying as
[2:56] Speaker 2: hard as to make the other kids feel better about
[2:58] Speaker 2: themselves right like he's always trying to elevate them other
[3:02] Speaker 2: dudes he lost oh my god that was so fun
[3:06] Speaker 2: he's so mad He was so mad, justifiably mad. And
[3:10] Speaker 2: I don't think they won. Did they win another game
[3:12] Speaker 2: in that series?
[3:13] Speaker 4: No. Okay.
[3:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, LeBron reportedly, like, sprained his hand afterwards
[3:18] Speaker 3: because he was punching the wall or whatever.
[3:19] Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.
[3:20] Speaker 3: He showed up to game four and they were sprained.
[3:23] Speaker 2: That's right. Like, they packed it up after that. And
[3:26] Speaker 2: it just, I mean, but they were up against something different.
[3:29] Speaker 4: Right. Okay.
[3:31] Speaker 2: Cleveland packed this shit up after they lost that first game.
[3:36] Speaker 2: right after they lost it they packed it up and
[3:40] Speaker 2: look they got blown out a couple of times Philly
[3:43] Speaker 2: got blown out like that but I didn't feel like
[3:44] Speaker 2: Philly packed it up so I don't even know if
[3:47] Speaker 2: it's fair to say that they had quit in games
[3:49] Speaker 2: two and three I don't I don't know I think
[3:51] Speaker 2: they had just lost they quit in game like that
[3:55] Speaker 2: that halftime show on inside the NBA where they were
[3:58] Speaker 2: just like why would we talk about this game.
[4:01] Speaker 3: They brought up The Webster's definition of quitting.
[4:05] Speaker 2: Right, except it wasn't Webster. It was just some shit
[4:07] Speaker 2: they wrote down. Like, I looked at that. There was
[4:10] Speaker 2: nothing to talk about. They went from Charles calling them
[4:13] Speaker 2: quitters to Kenny Smith and Shaq in top hats singing
[4:19] Speaker 2: New York, New York and doing kicks like the Rockettes.
[4:24] Speaker 2: It was so bad. It was immediate. Like, oh, no, remember,
[4:28] Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell played pretty good. Hit some shots early, right?
[4:31] Speaker 2: They look like they did that thing that teams do
[4:34] Speaker 2: when they're down 3-0, right? They got a little something going.
[4:38] Speaker 2: And then at some point, they all ask themselves, do
[4:40] Speaker 2: I really want to get on a plane again? Did
[4:42] Speaker 2: I even bother to bring a suitcase?
[4:45] Speaker 3: Nope. A suitcase to Cancun, but not a suitcase back
[4:48] Speaker 3: to New York.
[4:49] Speaker 2: This was a one, two, three Cancun classic. The Cancun
[4:53] Speaker 2: all three invitational. They just, they got destroyed. And then
[4:57] Speaker 2: for two games in a row, Cleveland came out there
[5:00] Speaker 2: and press conferences and some important figure on the team
[5:04] Speaker 2: decided to tell the world, we are a bunch of losers.
[5:09] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
[5:10] Speaker 2: Kenny Atkinson came out there and look, I listened to
[5:12] Speaker 2: the whole Kenny Atkinson quote. And the point that he
[5:14] Speaker 2: was trying to make is that there was an advanced
[5:18] Speaker 2: metric called expected score. And that in three of the
[5:21] Speaker 2: games up until that point, the Cavs were ahead in
[5:26] Speaker 2: expected score. And he explained that in the press conference.
[5:31] Speaker 2: The only line that came out of that was, analytically,
[5:35] Speaker 2: we've won two out of three. fucking loser nobody wants
[5:39] Speaker 2: to hear that right now like this is not that's
[5:42] Speaker 2: loser talk that's.
[5:44] Speaker 3: On the spot Too stupid to coach my tackle basketball team.
[5:51] Speaker 2: You are not allowed to coach game four after this.
[5:55] Speaker 2: You can't do this. You sure can't. You can't do
[5:58] Speaker 2: that around those angry people. No, I don't know if
[6:01] Speaker 2: you've ever met anybody from Cleveland.
[6:03] Speaker 3: All right.
[6:03] Speaker 2: What they don't have as much of a sense of humor.
[6:06] Speaker 3: No, that's just sports teams.
[6:08] Speaker 2: No, not what do they have a sense of humor about?
[6:12] Speaker 2: It was probably 45 degrees. No, in Cleveland, no. Oh,
[6:17] Speaker 2: my God, you can't say that. And then James Harden,
[6:21] Speaker 2: who has no leeway, I will say again, no leeway
[6:25] Speaker 2: whatsoever when it comes to looking like a loser, he
[6:29] Speaker 2: got out there and said, I still think we're the
[6:31] Speaker 2: better team. No, you're not. We just lost three games
[6:38] Speaker 2: in a row by, no exaggeration, 1,500 points. Go add
[6:42] Speaker 2: it up.
[6:45] Speaker 4: Right?
[6:46] Speaker 2: You and me are going to look at the newspaper
[6:48] Speaker 2: and say, hey, this doesn't add up to 1,500 points.
[6:51] Speaker 2: They're wrong. I watched the shit. It was 1,500 points.
[6:54] Speaker 2: Anybody who saw it knows outright they lost by 500
[6:59] Speaker 2: points three times in a row. We all synced it.
[7:03] Speaker 2: Everybody did. And you, you got out there and said,
[7:08] Speaker 2: I still think we're the better team. Here's why you
[7:11] Speaker 2: can't say that if you James Harden, you can't say,
[7:14] Speaker 2: I still think we're the better team because that then
[7:17] Speaker 2: leads to the question. Well, if you are the better team,
[7:20] Speaker 2: then why did you lose four games in a row?
[7:23] Speaker 2: And the only answer for being the better team, but
[7:27] Speaker 2: losing four games in a row is somebody. And here's
[7:31] Speaker 2: a loser. Like such an overpowering loser that being the
[7:37] Speaker 2: better team doesn't matter because that loser is there. And
[7:40] Speaker 2: when people start asking themselves, well, damn, who's the loser?
[7:43] Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to look, James?
[7:46] Speaker 1: Huh?
[7:47] Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to go? That's right, Jimbo.
[7:49] Speaker 2: They're going to look right at you. Some combination between
[7:54] Speaker 2: a choker and a bad luck charm. That's what they,
[7:59] Speaker 2: that's what they saying. That's what, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,
[8:06] Speaker 2: that's all I'm trying to tell you.
[8:08] Speaker 3: Who could have seen this coming?
[8:11] Speaker 2: I just can't imagine sitting around during the season and
[8:15] Speaker 2: you're like, yo, we got to do something. We try
[8:18] Speaker 2: to win a championship. I think we can get Jimbo.
[8:25] Speaker 2: And by the way, apparently agreed to allow Jimbo to
[8:29] Speaker 2: come back on extension. Because otherwise, Jimbo would be acting
[8:33] Speaker 2: much different.
[8:35] Speaker 3: Right.
[8:36] Speaker 2: If that was the case. We know how Jimbo acts
[8:38] Speaker 2: when he has not been taken care of in the
[8:40] Speaker 2: way that he would prefer. We know this. I would
[8:43] Speaker 2: just also like for them to note that Clippers look
[8:48] Speaker 2: having a better run. They had a chance to make
[8:50] Speaker 2: a run and do some things. And they were like, nah,
[8:53] Speaker 2: we're not bringing Jimbo back.
[8:55] Speaker 3: We'll see. We'll see you later.
[8:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[8:57] Speaker 2: They're like, hey, let's get out ahead of this right
[8:58] Speaker 2: now because we know we ain't going to do that.
[9:00] Speaker 2: Let's get out. That's what they did. All right. They,
[9:03] Speaker 2: they decided, and y'all were like, huh?
[9:06] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[9:07] Speaker 2: The Clippers mired in scandal. We're like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
[9:12] Speaker 2: Y'all can have them.
[9:14] Speaker 4: What?
[9:15] Speaker 3: What?
[9:15] Speaker 2: Are you serious? Are you serious?
[9:17] Speaker 3: Like, no, no, no.
[9:17] Speaker 2: Like that was, that was, they look like losers. Okay.
[9:22] Speaker 2: I don't. If somebody called me a loser, I would
[9:27] Speaker 2: be ready to fight. That's the only thing stopping me
[9:29] Speaker 2: from like, I feel like I'm not being honest with
[9:34] Speaker 2: people right now. And I don't like how that feels.
[9:37] Speaker 2: But the game got rules. Okay? But to be fair
[9:41] Speaker 2: to the Cavs, to be fair to them, I want
[9:49] Speaker 2: to know if the Knicks got some tape for that meeting.
[9:54] Speaker 2: Remember they had a meeting after game three? And then
[9:58] Speaker 2: they turned into something unthinkable. anything that I have ever seen.
[10:03] Speaker 2: Like they are, I feel like really good to great
[10:08] Speaker 2: NBA teams now feel more like really good to great
[10:12] Speaker 2: college teams now. in the sense that it's not simply
[10:15] Speaker 2: about who you got on the top line. Like it's
[10:17] Speaker 2: about a certain level of depth, a certain level of cohesion.
[10:20] Speaker 2: Like you think about like great college basketball teams that
[10:22] Speaker 2: didn't create a bunch of great NBA players.
[10:25] Speaker 3: Right.
[10:26] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like that's what it feels
[10:28] Speaker 2: like it takes now.
[10:29] Speaker 1: Right.
[10:30] Speaker 3: Like the days of only having six guys who can
[10:32] Speaker 3: play in finals games are over. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[10:34] Speaker 2: Those aren't the teams that are great. And so if
[10:36] Speaker 2: you look at it that way, where what I used
[10:39] Speaker 2: to say is you just got a handful of low
[10:41] Speaker 2: spades on your team. The trick is, apparently now, is
[10:44] Speaker 2: just having a bunch of spades. Like, a handful of
[10:46] Speaker 2: spades that you can dictate the game. The Knicks are like...
[10:51] Speaker 2: They got a bunch of, like, high-ish spades, right? There's
[10:55] Speaker 2: no big joker on the team. Carl Anthony Towns is
[10:58] Speaker 2: like a deuce when the deuce is wild. It feels
[11:00] Speaker 2: like a joker, and then a real joker shows up.
[11:02] Speaker 4: Right.
[11:02] Speaker 2: Shit, I counted that book. However, he's doing pretty good, guys.
[11:07] Speaker 4: Right.
[11:08] Speaker 2: Right? And it's... They... To me, and what I find
[11:13] Speaker 2: interesting about it is, it is the way in which
[11:15] Speaker 2: they are beating these teams. And that is, they look
[11:17] Speaker 2: locked in in a way that teams typically don't look
[11:19] Speaker 2: locked in that have never won anything. So the 0-1 Lakers,
[11:23] Speaker 2: we talked to J.A. Adande. We talked with him about
[11:25] Speaker 2: that last week. That was a team that had won
[11:28] Speaker 2: a championship and then kind of played with his food
[11:31] Speaker 2: a bit during the regular season and then locked in
[11:34] Speaker 2: and destroyed the whole league. The Knicks of all teams
[11:39] Speaker 2: are playing with that kind of focus, right? Like when
[11:43] Speaker 2: you're watching them, it's just like, yo, this isn't, it
[11:46] Speaker 2: isn't fluky. This isn't luck. This is just, we're coming
[11:51] Speaker 2: to win today, guys. They showed up in the black
[11:54] Speaker 2: for the funeral and did it. And did it. Landry Shaman,
[12:00] Speaker 2: who is not a good enough player to deserve to
[12:02] Speaker 2: wear number 44. I just want to throw that out there.
[12:05] Speaker 2: There's a list of numbers, okay? Number one, you either
[12:10] Speaker 2: got to be really good or really small. That seem fair? Right. Okay.
[12:16] Speaker 2: I feel like 32 and 33.
[12:20] Speaker 3: Not good enough.
[12:21] Speaker 2: You got to, you got to, 23. Well, yeah, yeah,
[12:24] Speaker 2: for sure. You have to, you have to, Draymond Green, barely, right?
[12:28] Speaker 2: But you have to earn your way into those. And also,
[12:31] Speaker 2: I feel like 44. I feel like in all sports,
[12:36] Speaker 2: 44 carries a certain weight.
[12:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[12:39] Speaker 2: You know, you got to earn your way into 44.
[12:41] Speaker 2: Landry Shammons is like, I bet.
[12:44] Speaker 3: You think Landry Shammons is more of like a prime number,
[12:46] Speaker 3: like a 19?
[12:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, Landry Shammons is a bit more. Like, 44 is
[12:51] Speaker 2: a number you choose.
[12:53] Speaker 4: Right.
[12:53] Speaker 2: Landry Shammons is supposed to be taking what they got.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Landry Shammons should be like wearing the numbers that Celtics
[12:59] Speaker 2: and Yankees be wearing, where they ain't got that many
[13:02] Speaker 2: numbers left.
[13:02] Speaker 1: Right, right.
[13:03] Speaker 2: I went to Yankees game the other night, man. Anybody
[13:05] Speaker 2: might be an offensive lineman in that motherfucker. Wearing number 67.
[13:09] Speaker 3: What? I think every single digit's gone, right?
[13:13] Speaker 2: Every single digit. Not only is every single digit for
[13:16] Speaker 2: the Yankees gone, number eight is accounted for twice. One
[13:23] Speaker 2: is Billy Martin, two is Derek Jeter, three Ruth, four Garrick,
[13:26] Speaker 2: five DiMaggio, six Torrey, seven Mantle, eight is Barrett and
[13:29] Speaker 2: Bill Dickey, and nine is Roger Marris. There are no
[13:33] Speaker 2: single digits left for the Yankees.
[13:36] Speaker 3: I mean, the Yankees' best player wears number 99. This
[13:39] Speaker 3: is correct.
[13:40] Speaker 2: This is correct. And the Yankees kind of retire. There
[13:43] Speaker 2: are jerseys the Yankees retire that other teams would not.
[13:45] Speaker 2: Like the Red Sox, they are only retiring like star stars.
[13:49] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:49] Speaker 2: Those are the only ones. Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, I
[13:53] Speaker 2: think Tito Martinez, even though I'm not, if he's not, probably, right?
[13:57] Speaker 2: Andy Pettit.
[13:58] Speaker 4: Right.
[13:59] Speaker 2: Those guys get Paul O'Neal. They retire Paul O'Neal's jersey.
[14:03] Speaker 2: They got a lot of feel goods. Yeah.
[14:07] Speaker 3: If you were along for the ride during a dynasty,
[14:08] Speaker 3: you're probably getting.
[14:10] Speaker 2: Or also, but dogmatically, because they just really liked him.
[14:13] Speaker 2: Ron Guidry, because he was the guy at the time.
[14:16] Speaker 2: It's a whole run of people. Anyway, all I'm saying is,
[14:19] Speaker 2: number 44, Reggie Jackson. Landry Shammott gets to wear that,
[14:24] Speaker 2: and that's not... Everybody needs a Street 44 like Syracuse
[14:27] Speaker 2: Street 44.
[14:29] Speaker 4: Right?
[14:29] Speaker 2: You got to earn this, baby. You got to earn it.
[14:31] Speaker 2: But anyway... They've been this is one of the best
[14:36] Speaker 2: months that any team has had in NBA history. This
[14:38] Speaker 2: is definitely the best month of basketball the New York
[14:40] Speaker 2: Knicks have ever played. They're so happy.
[14:43] Speaker 1: Right.
[14:43] Speaker 3: They are.
[14:44] Speaker 2: They are. They are so thrilled. I tell you this, though.
[14:48] Speaker 2: You ever seen Malcolm X?
[14:50] Speaker 3: It's been a long time, but yes.
[14:52] Speaker 2: You remember that part when Malcolm told all the black
[14:54] Speaker 2: people we did like this and they went like this
[14:56] Speaker 2: and got them all to walk away when they had
[14:57] Speaker 2: that march?
[14:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[14:59] Speaker 2: That was the level of police presence that was outside
[15:01] Speaker 2: of Radio City Music Hall yesterday because that's where the
[15:04] Speaker 2: watch party was. The cops was ready for them to
[15:07] Speaker 2: burn it down.
[15:07] Speaker 3: We'll do one of the Dark Knight movies.
[15:09] Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Because the problem is this. Where Radio City
[15:13] Speaker 2: Music Hall is, like I feel like if all those
[15:15] Speaker 2: people were somewhere, even if they had been over there
[15:17] Speaker 2: on 33rd Street by the garden, that'd be one thing.
[15:21] Speaker 2: Radio City Music Hall is just a little bit too
[15:23] Speaker 2: close to the tourists.
[15:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, you know. It's also right next
[15:27] Speaker 3: to the Fox News building, so they don't really like
[15:29] Speaker 3: groups of people standing out there anyway.
[15:30] Speaker 2: You got a great point. You got a great point.
[15:32] Speaker 2: And I feel like a mere avenue or two away
[15:35] Speaker 2: from Trump Tower.
[15:36] Speaker 4: Yes.
[15:38] Speaker 2: Not far.
[15:38] Speaker 3: Not far at all.
[15:39] Speaker 2: Not far.
[15:40] Speaker 3: Oh, man.
[15:41] Speaker 2: They did that, man. The Knicks really did that.
[15:45] Speaker 3: And the fact that all of their fans, the celebrity fans,
[15:48] Speaker 3: went and took over Cleveland. Like, you think you were
[15:50] Speaker 3: going to see Fat Joe show up in San Antonio?
[15:52] Speaker 4: No.
[15:53] Speaker 2: Yo, well, one way or another.
[15:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[15:55] Speaker 2: One way or another, right? This is the thing. I
[15:58] Speaker 2: also have to say this to you, Cleveland. And I
[16:01] Speaker 2: get where they were coming from, okay? And they were
[16:05] Speaker 2: trying their hardest basically to stop courtside from being New
[16:10] Speaker 2: York Knicks fan celebrity row. And I saw my man
[16:13] Speaker 2: Brian Glasspeaker made the point that it's kind of unfair
[16:16] Speaker 2: that the Knicks can do this because Knicks fans have
[16:18] Speaker 2: more money. And it's not, it's a little, to me,
[16:21] Speaker 2: it's a little bit more complicated than that, right? It's
[16:22] Speaker 2: not simply about having more money. I once went to
[16:27] Speaker 2: a concert in Europe because it was cheaper to go
[16:31] Speaker 2: in Europe than it was to go in the United
[16:33] Speaker 2: States because of everything that goes on with tickets here
[16:36] Speaker 2: and everything else. Like add a plane ticket and everything
[16:38] Speaker 2: else and it was cheaper to go in Paris than
[16:40] Speaker 2: it was to go in the States. That's what this
[16:43] Speaker 2: is for Knicks fans. Your tickets look like a steal,
[16:47] Speaker 2: even including the plane ticket, because it's so expensive to
[16:51] Speaker 2: go to Madison Square Garden.
[16:52] Speaker 3: Have you seen how much people are paying for finals tickets?
[16:55] Speaker 2: I saw somebody put a quarter mil down on court
[16:57] Speaker 2: side seats. I called my brother, and I was like, hey, man,
[17:01] Speaker 2: what's the most that you'll be willing to pay to
[17:03] Speaker 2: go to an NBA finals game? And he said $ 500,
[17:06] Speaker 2: and there's no reason for us to talk about that
[17:08] Speaker 2: shit again.
[17:09] Speaker 3: You might not be able to get... To 35th Street.
[17:12] Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was about to say.
[17:14] Speaker 2: I don't even think they'll let you off the subway.
[17:18] Speaker 3: You're not getting in a high-rise to watch Madison Square Garden.
[17:21] Speaker 2: Since you can't even take New Jersey Transit to the
[17:23] Speaker 2: World Cup for $ 500. Right. I was like, okay, that's
[17:27] Speaker 2: not going to happen. And then I called Nick. And
[17:29] Speaker 2: Nick was like, I'm the wrong person to ask because
[17:31] Speaker 2: he'll spend on tickets. And then he started like, we
[17:33] Speaker 2: really started talking it through and it was like, oh,
[17:36] Speaker 2: this will probably cost $ 2, 000 or $ 3, 000 to get a
[17:38] Speaker 2: seat worth having right maybe yeah like this this like
[17:46] Speaker 2: this could be that sort of thing people are that
[17:50] Speaker 2: ecstatic they are that excited they are that everything because
[17:54] Speaker 2: they have been the best team in the NBA postseason
[17:57] Speaker 2: by far by far it doesn't matter what you say
[18:02] Speaker 2: about who they played against and by the way We
[18:04] Speaker 2: ain't even really talking that much about what adjustments they've
[18:07] Speaker 2: made or anything else. We know they did the thing
[18:08] Speaker 2: where they were like, we're going to run the offense
[18:10] Speaker 2: through Carl Anthony Towns and everything else. It don't matter
[18:12] Speaker 2: what the fuck they did, man. They've just been doing it.
[18:15] Speaker 2: And they're the Knicks. The Knicks. This has happened. But anyway,
[18:20] Speaker 2: the thing I was saying about the tickets. Cleveland, Dan
[18:26] Speaker 2: Gilbert put it out there that if you sold your
[18:28] Speaker 2: courtside seats to a Knicks fan, you will be permanently
[18:30] Speaker 2: banned from the arena. I get it. You know what
[18:35] Speaker 2: I mean? And shout out to Dan Gilbert. What he
[18:36] Speaker 2: really could have done was just made them prices sky
[18:38] Speaker 2: high and just took all them New York people money, right?
[18:40] Speaker 2: So he seemed to stand on principle in some way
[18:43] Speaker 2: or another. So I understand why that happened. I get it.
[18:47] Speaker 2: I'm not mad at him. Except there were clearly 10
[18:53] Speaker 2: courtside seats that they might as well have made available
[18:57] Speaker 2: to Knicks fans. It was the ones that the Cavs
[19:01] Speaker 2: were sitting in. Why were they even there? They should
[19:08] Speaker 2: have just had five dudes on the floor and made
[19:10] Speaker 2: the Cavs sit on the ground. And then you make
[19:12] Speaker 2: that money off Fat Joe and them. Because, I mean, look,
[19:14] Speaker 2: them dudes, they should not have been allowed to sit down.
[19:17] Speaker 2: They should have come out the game and had to
[19:18] Speaker 2: go stand up, lean against the wall if you need
[19:21] Speaker 2: some air or whatever it is. But they didn't need
[19:23] Speaker 2: those seats. They didn't come to the game. That was
[19:26] Speaker 2: right there. All the money that you could have had
[19:29] Speaker 2: when them motherfuckers did not show up. But the Knicks did,
[19:33] Speaker 2: and the Knicks have for a month. And good gracious,
[19:37] Speaker 2: they are going to the NBA fight. I believe Oklahoma
[19:45] Speaker 2: City is in trouble. If they are down Jalen Williams
[19:49] Speaker 2: and they are down... A.J. Mitchell, who is amazingly important
[19:53] Speaker 2: for a guy that I'd never heard of as of
[19:56] Speaker 2: six weeks ago. The adjustments seem to be pretty clear, though,
[20:02] Speaker 2: that they've decided to halfway guard, have like the one
[20:06] Speaker 2: and a half double, like the half double on Shea,
[20:09] Speaker 2: and what these other cats going to do.
[20:12] Speaker 3: Also, you know, that eight foot guy at the rim.
[20:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of like these hard traps that
[20:17] Speaker 2: then the ball goes around and Alex Caruso's wide open
[20:19] Speaker 2: or something like that, right? Like that is the thing
[20:21] Speaker 2: about the eight foot guy is interesting to watch is
[20:23] Speaker 2: that they don't have to switch. Right. Like you can
[20:26] Speaker 2: run that screen or whatever and then Victor's there just
[20:29] Speaker 2: holding it down until you can get back over there
[20:31] Speaker 2: and then now you don't wind up with these crazy
[20:33] Speaker 2: mismatches or anything else. They put a hurt on them
[20:37] Speaker 2: in game four on Sunday and Chet has been rendered useless.
[20:44] Speaker 3: Right?
[20:44] Speaker 2: Like, Victor, that has become a rivalry like Serena and Sharapova.
[20:52] Speaker 2: That at some point early in the game, Sharapova won
[20:55] Speaker 2: them two, and then she got her ass kicked for
[20:58] Speaker 2: 20 years in a row. That's kind of, I mean,
[21:00] Speaker 2: it ain't been 20 yet, but this is no longer
[21:03] Speaker 2: a rivalry. Like, it's at the point where I'm surprised
[21:06] Speaker 2: that nobody has called Victor and said, hey, man, it's over.
[21:11] Speaker 2: You ain't got to, like, you won, bro. You won.
[21:15] Speaker 2: Because Chet, you see it on his face. I'm a
[21:18] Speaker 2: Chet guy. No, no, no, no, no.
[21:21] Speaker 3: Doesn't want to be anywhere else.
[21:23] Speaker 2: He's just like, that was supposed to be me. Like,
[21:27] Speaker 2: Victor's in the NBA looking like Chet did in high school.
[21:30] Speaker 2: And if you go look at the clips of Chet
[21:31] Speaker 2: in high school, they are unreal.
[21:33] Speaker 3: How much, how often do you think Chet has to
[21:35] Speaker 3: do like this?
[21:37] Speaker 1: Right. Right.
[21:38] Speaker 2: That's where he is. It is just got his Victor
[21:42] Speaker 2: City's two hand dunk back. Once again, when everybody talks
[21:44] Speaker 2: about how Victor is like how he's not strong. No, no, no, no, no.
[21:47] Speaker 2: That's not true. He has base issues. Right. Center of
[21:51] Speaker 2: gravity issues. But Oklahoma City got got to get this
[21:56] Speaker 2: thing together. Right. And I mean, I think we're going
[21:59] Speaker 2: to know what they're going to do to try to
[22:01] Speaker 2: get it together, which is turn up the foul and
[22:03] Speaker 2: turn up the flopping. That's what they do. I've seen
[22:07] Speaker 2: the people on the internet try to make the argument
[22:10] Speaker 2: that it's really just some sort of narrative with Oklahoma City,
[22:13] Speaker 2: and you can go and you can count it up
[22:14] Speaker 2: and everything else. We watching the games, man. We seeing
[22:18] Speaker 2: what they doing. But it dawned on me in game
[22:21] Speaker 2: three that it was important to note, they got a
[22:23] Speaker 2: good one on San Antonio in game three. It's important
[22:26] Speaker 2: to note, they be doing all that fouling, they be
[22:29] Speaker 2: doing all that flopping, but it does not change the
[22:31] Speaker 2: fact that they are really good. And that's why we
[22:37] Speaker 2: got to start calling them what they are, the Oklahoma
[22:40] Speaker 2: City Blue Devils. That's what they are, man. They some devils.
[22:46] Speaker 2: They be out there playing devilish basketball, all on the
[22:49] Speaker 2: premise that you can't call everything. But then when you
[22:51] Speaker 2: get down to it deep down, you have to be like, yeah, man,
[22:54] Speaker 2: but them cats are cold. Like they are. They are good.
[22:59] Speaker 2: And they are. They may be in trouble now. And
[23:02] Speaker 2: by the way, their best player, who falls down all
[23:05] Speaker 2: the time. And you could say that part of that
[23:07] Speaker 2: is him trying to stay healthy. Part of that is
[23:09] Speaker 2: him being janky. Have you seen his on-off numbers?
[23:13] Speaker 3: I have not.
[23:14] Speaker 2: They are much better with him off the floor and
[23:18] Speaker 2: have been for a couple of series now.
[23:21] Speaker 3: That's wild.
[23:22] Speaker 2: Like I want to say it's like in the 40s.
[23:25] Speaker 2: But you know what I think that is? He's playing
[23:28] Speaker 2: most of his minutes when Victor's out there.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Right.
[23:30] Speaker 2: Like early in the series, it became clear to me,
[23:34] Speaker 2: The Thunder weren't just going to have to win the
[23:36] Speaker 2: non-victor minutes. They're going to have to dominate the non-victor
[23:41] Speaker 2: minutes because the Spurs are able to dominate in his minutes.
[23:46] Speaker 2: Like this game five, shout out to my man Shannon,
[23:49] Speaker 2: the pivotal game five. Now we're in it. Game five
[23:55] Speaker 2: is pivotal. Game six, a team will stave off elimination,
[23:59] Speaker 2: hoping to push it to a do or die game seven.
[24:04] Speaker 2: But this one, this is important. But it's also important
[24:10] Speaker 2: that somehow we got to make it known that this
[24:13] Speaker 2: Duke shit does not prosper. It's important for San Antonio
[24:16] Speaker 2: to get this done. It's not just about whether or
[24:19] Speaker 2: not they win or not. It's about sending a message
[24:20] Speaker 2: to everybody that... You're not supposed to prosper in this way.
[24:26] Speaker 2: This isn't it. But they are so grabby. This is not...
[24:30] Speaker 2: There's nothing to like about this team. And it's sad
[24:33] Speaker 2: because it should be everything to like about this team.
[24:37] Speaker 2: And I'm going to be honest with you. And this
[24:38] Speaker 2: is the thing for me about the Thunder as it goes.
[24:41] Speaker 2: It's not even really fun because I feel like... I
[24:45] Speaker 2: feel like it's on one hand, it's people like us
[24:48] Speaker 2: who think they play a little janky, right?
[24:51] Speaker 4: And then.
[24:52] Speaker 2: On the other hand, it's people who are like, eh,
[24:55] Speaker 2: what's the big deal?
[24:56] Speaker 1: Okay?
[24:57] Speaker 2: And that's not what it needs to be if you're
[24:59] Speaker 2: going to play basketball like that. Like, if you're going
[25:02] Speaker 2: to play basketball like that, you need to be polarizing.
[25:08] Speaker 2: And there's only one solution to that and the only
[25:10] Speaker 2: way that they can become polarizing rather than just be
[25:14] Speaker 2: a little bit janky. Y'all got to go get some
[25:17] Speaker 2: more white boys. In particular, Some, like, at least one
[25:23] Speaker 2: or two really obnoxious white boys. And yes, I am
[25:28] Speaker 2: saying and advocating for exactly what you think I'm saying.
[25:34] Speaker 2: That's right. If y'all are going to do this, if
[25:38] Speaker 2: y'all are going to play like this, you got to
[25:41] Speaker 2: lean all the way in on it and go make
[25:44] Speaker 2: a trade for Grayson Allen. If you're going to be
[25:49] Speaker 2: out here living this way, emulating this, because the worst
[25:52] Speaker 2: thing about it is y'all a little bit passive aggressive
[25:54] Speaker 2: about it, to be honest, right? Like it's just annoying
[25:57] Speaker 2: in such a way. Go the whole way and go
[26:00] Speaker 2: get him in there to be tripping people. Right? If
[26:04] Speaker 2: you're going to be devils, turn it all the way up.
[26:09] Speaker 2: Go out there, get you Grayson Allen. Where Greg Paul
[26:13] Speaker 2: is at? Could he be an assistant coach? get out
[26:16] Speaker 2: there and teach them cats all the tricks of the
[26:18] Speaker 2: trade or whatever it is. Like if you're going to
[26:20] Speaker 2: do it, do it.
[26:22] Speaker 3: Is there another Hurley somewhere?
[26:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. Maybe make that like. Have
[26:29] Speaker 2: what's his name? Do they got like a bell or
[26:31] Speaker 2: something that they ring before the game? Like since they
[26:34] Speaker 2: had a thunder, can they get like a gong or
[26:36] Speaker 2: something or something that they can clap or whatever and
[26:38] Speaker 2: get Christian Laitner to do it? If you're going to
[26:40] Speaker 2: be it, be it. That's all I'm saying. If this
[26:43] Speaker 2: is what you want to be, if this is what
[26:44] Speaker 2: you want to stand for, then go ahead and do it.
[26:46] Speaker 2: Because right now, you're just impossible to like. That's all
[26:50] Speaker 2: it is.
[26:50] Speaker 1: No.
[26:51] Speaker 2: Be hateable, and then by being hateable, especially if you
[26:55] Speaker 2: get the right blend of Caucasians, because you got to
[26:57] Speaker 2: understand this, man. We've talked about this before. White people,
[27:01] Speaker 2: when it comes to basketball, they got low self-esteem. It's
[27:04] Speaker 2: a real crab in a barrel kind of situation. It's
[27:06] Speaker 2: been a long time since they've been able to really
[27:08] Speaker 2: galvanize behind some white players in that way. But I
[27:11] Speaker 2: feel like you guys could try. If y'all turn into
[27:13] Speaker 2: some actual, factual champions, they won't be able to help themselves.
[27:17] Speaker 2: Especially when you juxtapose against the Spurs and all them
[27:21] Speaker 2: dreadhead brothers in the lobby that they got, you could
[27:23] Speaker 2: turn this all the way up, especially just with the
[27:26] Speaker 2: way that y'all be playing. Y'all got to do this because, look,
[27:29] Speaker 2: you need to understand this. I think we all got
[27:33] Speaker 2: a handle on the greatness that Victor is headed toward,
[27:36] Speaker 2: but I now fully understand how great he about to be.
[27:41] Speaker 2: And you know how I know this. Y'all already getting
[27:44] Speaker 2: them right here at them corners. Right there at the corners.
[27:48] Speaker 2: That hairline is already starting to run away, like all
[27:50] Speaker 2: the greats.
[27:52] Speaker 4: Right?
[27:53] Speaker 2: Now, back in the day, like Russell and Chamberlain, for
[27:55] Speaker 2: whatever reason, they wasn't like that. But in modern times,
[27:58] Speaker 2: it's become very clear. If you truly going to be
[28:00] Speaker 2: a great, you got to have some of these, you know, Jordan, LeBron,
[28:05] Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. I mean, if you pay attention to Steph Curry,
[28:07] Speaker 2: And corners been running away from him for a while, too. Kobe,
[28:10] Speaker 2: he had the same issue. Kobe was out there. Kobe,
[28:12] Speaker 2: after a point, Kobe had the lowest number of hair
[28:15] Speaker 2: clippers ever. So he could still say that he was
[28:17] Speaker 2: getting haircuts.
[28:18] Speaker 3: Right.
[28:20] Speaker 2: It's heading that way. Victor going that way. Y'all need
[28:23] Speaker 2: to be careful. Boy, let me tell you something, man.
[28:25] Speaker 2: And I know some of y'all are going to think
[28:27] Speaker 2: I'm hating, but a lot of y'all are going to
[28:28] Speaker 2: know exactly what I got to say about this. It's
[28:32] Speaker 2: a little different to tell this to white people because
[28:34] Speaker 2: the nature of y'all's hair allows y'all to account for this,
[28:36] Speaker 2: to cover for this in much different ways. But I
[28:39] Speaker 2: feel like I don't really want to say this dude's name,
[28:41] Speaker 2: but I saw this dude on television the other day.
[28:43] Speaker 2: He had a hairline down to his eyebrows. And with
[28:45] Speaker 2: the exception of my man, Michael Smith, everybody that got
[28:48] Speaker 2: a hairline like that, don't not one of them motherfuckers deserve.
[28:53] Speaker 2: Everybody who got like a super persistent hairline, he ain't shit,
[28:56] Speaker 2: and you know he ain't. They don't never deserve it.
[28:58] Speaker 2: The real ones, the true great ones, this is something
[29:01] Speaker 2: that we got to overcome. Every day for us is
[29:03] Speaker 2: a challenge. Iron sharpens iron, and we thereby become better people.
[29:06] Speaker 2: We become better at everything we do. That's who we are.
[29:09] Speaker 2: But when you see them cats with them hairlines down here,
[29:11] Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about the cheaters. I'm talking about
[29:13] Speaker 2: the actual ones. And I was saying, I was talking
[29:16] Speaker 2: about P.K. Subodh. He really bothered me last year when
[29:18] Speaker 2: he got out there I told people he wasn't talking
[29:20] Speaker 2: like a white man. He was talking like a hockey player. Hey,
[29:22] Speaker 2: I stopped watching the NBA when Kobe retired.
[29:25] Speaker 1: What?
[29:27] Speaker 2: Why do you even get out of here and say that?
[29:29] Speaker 2: And look at his hairline. All the way down to
[29:31] Speaker 2: his eyebrows is always somebody that don't deserve it. Also,
[29:37] Speaker 2: except for my man, Joel. Joel has a... rather persistent hairline. But,
[29:43] Speaker 2: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but he do
[29:47] Speaker 2: be hating on people a lot. That's what I just
[29:51] Speaker 2: say about Subban. I was the NBA since Kobe. Right?
[29:56] Speaker 1: Right?
[29:56] Speaker 2: It's always them. Not Victor. Hell nah. Victor about to
[30:01] Speaker 2: be out this bad boy. We got to start calling
[30:03] Speaker 2: him LeCount. You know what I'm saying? He going to
[30:08] Speaker 2: be coming down right here. He going to be throwing
[30:11] Speaker 2: up the woo real soon over there. That's how you
[30:15] Speaker 2: know it's around the corner. That's how you know what's coming.
[30:18] Speaker 2: But anyway, they the OKC Blue Devils. I know some
[30:21] Speaker 2: of y'all don't like that because y'all root for OKC.
[30:24] Speaker 2: I know some of y'all know it because y'all root
[30:26] Speaker 2: for Duke too. But all I'm telling you is If
[30:30] Speaker 2: they don't want to be seen in that light, stop
[30:33] Speaker 2: acting like devils. They are the OKC blue shirt devils.
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[31:52] Speaker 3: We got you. Now, if you haven't heard All right, Bo,
[31:57] Speaker 3: if you haven't heard, some drama in New York. Jackson
[32:00] Speaker 3: Dart got in some trouble for introducing Donald Trump at
[32:03] Speaker 3: a rally. His teammate, Abil Carter, tweeted, thought this S-T
[32:09] Speaker 3: was AI, what we doing, man? I don't know why.
[32:21] Speaker 2: That was so funny to me because I can hear
[32:24] Speaker 2: it I thought this was AI what are we doing
[32:28] Speaker 2: here okay me and my man Rod were talking about
[32:34] Speaker 2: these yesterday I did not see this because I was
[32:36] Speaker 2: in transit but apparently he was talking about it on
[32:38] Speaker 2: Get Up and I don't know who was hosting but
[32:40] Speaker 2: he was like whoever was hosting was like we don't
[32:43] Speaker 2: want to talk about the politics here nobody cares about
[32:46] Speaker 2: the politics yes we do That's the whole reason anybody cared.
[32:50] Speaker 2: This idea that we don't care about the politics of athletes, yes,
[32:54] Speaker 2: we do. Now, whether you care enough about the politics
[32:58] Speaker 2: that it affects whether or not you root for them
[33:01] Speaker 2: on your team, that becomes a different situation and that
[33:05] Speaker 2: becomes just a little bit tricky, right? Like, if you
[33:09] Speaker 2: are a Giants fan, will you stop rooting for the
[33:13] Speaker 2: Giants because Jackson Dart is a Trumper? Probably not, right?
[33:21] Speaker 2: But don't tell me you don't care. The World Cup's
[33:23] Speaker 2: about to come up, okay? If Belgium is playing the Congo,
[33:27] Speaker 2: who you think I'm rooting for and why? Okay, we
[33:31] Speaker 2: do care about the politics. Don't act like you don't,
[33:35] Speaker 2: all right? What struck me about this, and I also
[33:39] Speaker 2: want to be clear about this, the whole, you know,
[33:41] Speaker 2: this is going to fracture the locker room. NFL locker
[33:44] Speaker 2: rooms are wild, segregated, and full of white players who
[33:48] Speaker 2: support Trump and black players who support Trump. That is
[33:54] Speaker 2: not no revolutionary rule. That's not how the NFL works.
[34:02] Speaker 2: This is why the Jackson Dart thing is interesting to me.
[34:08] Speaker 2: Me and my man Rob would talk about this too.
[34:10] Speaker 2: He said that this is what Abdul Carter is saying
[34:12] Speaker 2: to Jackson Dart, and this is what I'm saying to
[34:15] Speaker 2: Jackson Dart. Take that monkey shit off. You embarrassing us.
[34:21] Speaker 2: And what I'm talking about is this. You in here,
[34:25] Speaker 2: think about all the love that he got for them chains,
[34:28] Speaker 2: when he out here doing dances and all of this stuff.
[34:31] Speaker 2: I guarantee you it's a few cats in there. That
[34:33] Speaker 2: was like, oh, he cool. Not only does he pull
[34:37] Speaker 2: up like introducing Trump. Can we be honest about this?
[34:41] Speaker 2: He sounded stupid. And I'm not saying simply because he
[34:46] Speaker 2: was there with Trump. How did he say that I
[34:49] Speaker 2: am pleasured to be here? And then he says something about,
[34:54] Speaker 2: I don't think there are a lot of blue haired,
[34:57] Speaker 2: blue heads or something like that.
[34:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:00] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[35:00] Speaker 2: That blue hairs. I think you said not a lot
[35:02] Speaker 2: of blue. What are you talking about?
[35:04] Speaker 3: Old people?
[35:06] Speaker 2: Is that, was that like, I.
[35:07] Speaker 3: Think that is like a, a online descriptor of people
[35:11] Speaker 3: of the far left.
[35:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm like, but people with blue hair, when
[35:15] Speaker 2: I was growing up, that's what we said about old people.
[35:18] Speaker 3: Got it.
[35:19] Speaker 2: But you think there are Democrats that root for the Giants? Like,
[35:23] Speaker 2: I think it's stupid that people are like, oh, that's
[35:25] Speaker 2: a really dumb thing for him to do, playing in
[35:27] Speaker 2: New York. You know how liberal New York is. New
[35:29] Speaker 2: York is not nearly as liberal as you think. Let
[35:31] Speaker 2: me tell you where it's really not as liberal as
[35:33] Speaker 2: you think. MetLife, right? Like, go meet some Giants fans. Okay? Like,
[35:41] Speaker 2: Rudy Giuliani, he lives in New York, too, and he
[35:43] Speaker 2: won a couple of elections up here. That's all I'm saying. Like,
[35:46] Speaker 2: this is not the liberal bastion that you think it is.
[35:49] Speaker 2: It's not that. But it would be helpful, Jackson Dart,
[35:54] Speaker 2: if you did some winning, right? Like, if this is
[35:56] Speaker 2: the game you decide to play, look, you can go
[35:59] Speaker 2: ahead and do that if you want, right? That is
[36:01] Speaker 2: his option. I do think it's important to note that...
[36:10] Speaker 2: What is the best way to put this? I do
[36:15] Speaker 2: think that it is important to note that Trump is
[36:19] Speaker 2: not the same as any other politician. Like, standing with
[36:23] Speaker 2: Trump is not just people, and people have a problem
[36:25] Speaker 2: with it, it's not simply, I disagree with your politics. Okay?
[36:30] Speaker 2: Somebody went up there and stood with Curtis Shliwa during
[36:33] Speaker 2: the mayoral election. It's not going to be a thing. Right?
[36:37] Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been an issue. This is very particularly
[36:40] Speaker 2: about this very particular man. But if you want to
[36:45] Speaker 2: try to tell me that nobody cares about the politics
[36:49] Speaker 2: of the quarterback, then I need you to explain to
[36:51] Speaker 2: me why Donald Trump thought it was worth having the
[36:54] Speaker 2: quarterback at his rally.
[36:57] Speaker 3: I have a quick observation.
[36:59] Speaker 2: Feel free.
[37:01] Speaker 3: After Jackson Dart's first year in the league, what do
[37:03] Speaker 3: you think was the biggest thing he needed to work on?
[37:06] Speaker 2: His decision-making?
[37:08] Speaker 3: Risk aversion.
[37:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, knowing a bad idea
[37:12] Speaker 2: when he saw one.
[37:12] Speaker 3: Not charging headlong into a dangerous situation that would harm
[37:18] Speaker 3: himself or his teammates.
[37:19] Speaker 2: No, no.
[37:21] Speaker 3: I would argue, regardless of your politics, you'd have to agree,
[37:26] Speaker 3: still needs to work on his risk aversion.
[37:29] Speaker 2: By the way, shout out to Steve Tisch. Remember him?
[37:31] Speaker 2: Remember that guy?
[37:34] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
[37:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[37:35] Speaker 3: So I'm talking about something we haven't mentioned in a while.
[37:38] Speaker 3: Oh God.
[37:38] Speaker 2: Hey man, he had to go. And for those of
[37:40] Speaker 2: you who don't remember, Steve Tisch was in the Epstein
[37:43] Speaker 2: files and it's still so funny. Them girls was just
[37:47] Speaker 2: trying to get modeling jobs. Them girls was just trying
[37:50] Speaker 2: to like not go back to one of them lobbyists, right?
[37:55] Speaker 2: They just didn't want to go back to the old country.
[37:57] Speaker 2: Steve Tish looking for love. The girls was complaining to
[38:00] Speaker 2: Epstein like, yo, I just thought I was going to
[38:03] Speaker 2: have to go on a couple dates, maybe on some...
[38:07] Speaker 2: This dude, like, he's looking for a relationship. I thought
[38:12] Speaker 2: he was just a trick.
[38:13] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[38:15] Speaker 3: All right, moving on. The SCORE Act, a piece of
[38:17] Speaker 3: legislation aimed to curb the big business of college sports,
[38:20] Speaker 3: has been torpedoed by the congressional-backed Black Caucus. This move
[38:25] Speaker 3: came last week. They said in a statement, quote, for generations,
[38:31] Speaker 3: Black athletes have held build college athletics into one of
[38:33] Speaker 3: the most powerful and profitable industries in American life. Yet
[38:37] Speaker 3: at this very moment, those same communities face coordinated attacks
[38:40] Speaker 3: on their Democratic representation. Too many leaders across college athletics
[38:44] Speaker 3: have chosen silence. Bo, you had a reaction to this
[38:47] Speaker 3: piece of news.
[38:48] Speaker 2: Okay, so Joel and I talked about this last week,
[38:51] Speaker 2: but unfortunate for us, the news of the NAACP and
[38:57] Speaker 2: the CBC getting together for this boycott, it came literally
[39:00] Speaker 2: while we were sitting down. So like Joel and I
[39:02] Speaker 2: were kind of going through it and talking through it.
[39:04] Speaker 2: And he and I, it's been great to talk. It
[39:06] Speaker 2: was great to talk to him that day. And he
[39:08] Speaker 2: and I have kind of stayed in communication about this.
[39:10] Speaker 2: And it's been great to kind of help me Think
[39:11] Speaker 2: about what is going on. I know he's writing something
[39:13] Speaker 2: about this for the ringer that I look forward to
[39:18] Speaker 2: checking out. But that detail right there really struck me
[39:21] Speaker 2: because one place where I don't think I express myself
[39:25] Speaker 2: in ways I don't i don't think i express myself
[39:27] Speaker 2: correctly is that i do not think that college athletes
[39:32] Speaker 2: are too young to participate in a struggle or a
[39:35] Speaker 2: resistance against the political order of the day again my
[39:39] Speaker 2: mother was out there 14 15 years old getting shit
[39:42] Speaker 2: done so obviously um I see an appreciation and a
[39:46] Speaker 2: value in young people participating. But I do think something
[39:49] Speaker 2: worth noting and what I remember about the story with
[39:51] Speaker 2: my mom that is important is that it was a
[39:54] Speaker 2: group of these students in Oklahoma City and they were
[39:58] Speaker 2: taken to New York City to see a Broadway play.
[40:02] Speaker 2: And that was the first time in their lives that
[40:05] Speaker 2: they had been somewhere that was not under the thumb
[40:08] Speaker 2: of segregation. And so they got a taste of what
[40:11] Speaker 2: a certain life was. And then that comes back and
[40:13] Speaker 2: informs them and informs their struggle and their resistance to
[40:17] Speaker 2: what was going on. But they had a taste and
[40:18] Speaker 2: an understanding of what's going on here. My issue with
[40:22] Speaker 2: this was the idea that I felt like people of
[40:28] Speaker 2: a certain level of status and prestige were outsourcing the
[40:31] Speaker 2: fight to young people, not unlike politicians who send young
[40:36] Speaker 2: people off to fight a war.
[40:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[40:38] Speaker 2: Like I felt like in order to achieve the goals
[40:41] Speaker 2: that they thought that were important, that what they were
[40:44] Speaker 2: advocating is for somebody else to go fight the fight,
[40:47] Speaker 2: and I don't really understand what it is that you
[40:49] Speaker 2: over here doing, right? And so what I do not
[40:52] Speaker 2: approve of is asking these young people to make a
[40:55] Speaker 2: sacrifice in the name of what you want when I'm
[40:58] Speaker 2: not sure that you're going to be out here making
[41:01] Speaker 2: a similar sacrifice yourself, okay? That's where my issue came down.
[41:08] Speaker 2: This thing about the SCORE Act is very important in
[41:12] Speaker 2: understanding my point, and it actually left me even more
[41:16] Speaker 2: infuriated with the CBC on this. The SCORE Act, for
[41:21] Speaker 2: those of you who don't know, The NCAA has poured
[41:25] Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars into
[41:31] Speaker 2: lobbying in Congress. We did something about this on Game Theory,
[41:34] Speaker 2: I want to say, in 2023. My guy Andrew Cooper
[41:37] Speaker 2: talks a lot about this also. They have spent a
[41:40] Speaker 2: lot of time, a lot of effort, and a lot
[41:42] Speaker 2: of money in lobbying Congress to beg Congress to save
[41:46] Speaker 2: them from the mess they have created by not coming
[41:49] Speaker 2: up with a way to treat players properly and figure
[41:51] Speaker 2: out how to equitably deal with all the money that's
[41:54] Speaker 2: come in. Somebody's had to sue them at every step
[41:57] Speaker 2: to get them to do something that is close to
[41:59] Speaker 2: being right. And now it's led to this measure of
[42:01] Speaker 2: chaos where the money's all over the place. The money,
[42:04] Speaker 2: they say it's NIL, but it's really salary, but all
[42:06] Speaker 2: these things, right? So the score act is what the
[42:09] Speaker 2: NCAA has wanted to get pushed through. And Donald Trump
[42:13] Speaker 2: had tried to push through. OK. It did not get
[42:19] Speaker 2: to the floor for a vote. Now, I think it's
[42:24] Speaker 2: important to note that this is a bit of a
[42:27] Speaker 2: bipartisan issue.
[42:29] Speaker 4: Right.
[42:29] Speaker 2: And when I say a bipartisan issue, I mean the
[42:31] Speaker 2: idea of approving of name, image and likeness payments and
[42:35] Speaker 2: compensation for players, which used to be a bipartisan issue
[42:39] Speaker 2: in opposition and then kind of became a partisan issue
[42:42] Speaker 2: where those toward the left were more in support than
[42:44] Speaker 2: those on the right. And there have been studies that
[42:47] Speaker 2: show that, uh, how you felt about civil rights was
[42:50] Speaker 2: a correlating factor into how you felt about paying players. Now,
[42:53] Speaker 2: when you look across the board, like Bob Orr, former
[42:56] Speaker 2: Chief Justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court, that is
[42:59] Speaker 2: a Republican man who for the last 15 years has
[43:01] Speaker 2: been strongly on the player side of these matters. That
[43:05] Speaker 2: is an example. Tom Mars, the attorney, who I don't
[43:08] Speaker 2: believe is a very left-wing figure that I've talked to,
[43:10] Speaker 2: he's on this side. Like, you go look at it.
[43:13] Speaker 2: It's become a bipartisan thing to be on the side
[43:16] Speaker 2: of the players on this one. with the SCORE Act.
[43:22] Speaker 2: Byron Donalds in Florida is on the player side of this.
[43:26] Speaker 2: Other Republicans are on the player end, on the end
[43:29] Speaker 2: of this, opposing the SCORE Act. One of the biggest
[43:32] Speaker 2: oppositions or reasons to oppose the SCORE Act is the
[43:35] Speaker 2: SCORE Act puts a disproportionate amount of power to the
[43:38] Speaker 2: NCAA on what to do. It overrides a lot of
[43:42] Speaker 2: these state laws that protect NIL payments. It prevents players
[43:47] Speaker 2: from unionizing and collectively bargaining and also from being recognized
[43:54] Speaker 2: as employees. That is what the SCORE Act does. The
[43:59] Speaker 2: AFL-CIO has a very strong thing that you can find
[44:03] Speaker 2: online in opposition to the SCORE Act. Right. Just about
[44:08] Speaker 2: anybody I know, including Andrew Cooper and other people who
[44:11] Speaker 2: work in organizing on the player side, are opposed to
[44:15] Speaker 2: the score rack. The Byron Donalds do. His opposition on
[44:18] Speaker 2: it is is a restriction of trade, basically. That is
[44:21] Speaker 2: why many Republicans oppose it, because it restricts the economic
[44:25] Speaker 2: power and flexibility of the players. It is an anti
[44:30] Speaker 2: player proposition. OK. And the Congressional Black Caucus. has made
[44:38] Speaker 2: it seem as though they would have been willing to
[44:43] Speaker 2: vote for the SCORE Act if they got the redistricting
[44:47] Speaker 2: that they wanted or wanted to prevent the redistricting that
[44:50] Speaker 2: we have seen happen in some places, okay? If they
[44:54] Speaker 2: were willing to vote for this provision that works in
[44:59] Speaker 2: opposition of the players in order to get what they want,
[45:05] Speaker 2: That explicitly means that they are willing to sacrifice the
[45:12] Speaker 2: interests of these young men and women for their own goals.
[45:18] Speaker 2: It means that they are literally sending these young men
[45:22] Speaker 2: and women to the front line of a fight while
[45:27] Speaker 2: they sit back. This is why I am opposed to
[45:36] Speaker 2: what this is that they talking about. This is also
[45:39] Speaker 2: why I don't be wanting to go to they little
[45:41] Speaker 2: weekend in D.C. Because what are you doing? What are
[45:45] Speaker 2: you doing? How dare you guys get out here and
[45:47] Speaker 2: actually say that? Now, maybe what you're just trying to
[45:50] Speaker 2: do is to claim some credit and make it seem
[45:52] Speaker 2: like you was making some noise. Right. Maybe that's why
[45:54] Speaker 2: you want to do it. Maybe that's why you're going
[45:56] Speaker 2: about this. But if you want to get this done,
[45:59] Speaker 2: think about this. The players that you're talking about and
[46:04] Speaker 2: you want not to go to these southern schools, you're
[46:07] Speaker 2: by and large talking about high school players, okay? Guess
[46:11] Speaker 2: what high school players can't do?
[46:14] Speaker 3: Vote.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Like, as it stands for them, this is an issue
[46:20] Speaker 2: that isn't really relevant to them. That's why I brought
[46:22] Speaker 2: up the thing about my mom and them going to
[46:24] Speaker 2: New York. Once they go to New York, they understand
[46:26] Speaker 2: what the situation is that they're in. They get a
[46:30] Speaker 2: different perspective. And now they got a taste in it.
[46:32] Speaker 2: Now they got skin in the game. Now they got
[46:34] Speaker 2: an investment and want something to change. You are asking
[46:37] Speaker 2: people who literally cannot vote to make decisions based on voting.
[46:43] Speaker 2: Now you could say, oh, okay, well, the theory in
[46:46] Speaker 2: all of this is obvious. Maybe it is. But the
[46:48] Speaker 2: move is you need to get on the ground and
[46:51] Speaker 2: start working not just on them, but on everybody early.
[46:54] Speaker 2: Because the truth is we slept at the wheel just
[46:58] Speaker 2: a little bit when all these things happened. They never did.
[47:01] Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act passed in 1965. And since 1965, they've
[47:06] Speaker 2: been trying to get that shit rolled back. Now we
[47:09] Speaker 2: jumping up talking about, hey, man, let's have a boycott. No,
[47:13] Speaker 2: let's get on the ground. Let's organize and let's start
[47:17] Speaker 2: thinking about this like a 20 year project. But as
[47:21] Speaker 2: of right now, it feels like all these people are
[47:24] Speaker 2: trying to do is run a transactional game. And the
[47:29] Speaker 2: currency that you're using for the transaction is these young
[47:33] Speaker 2: people and they are too young to be bargaining chips.
[47:44] Speaker 3: All right, Bo, a couple of voicemails. A lot of
[47:46] Speaker 3: good ones. Here is our first.
[47:49] Speaker 1: Hey, Bo, this is Will from Oklahoma City. So I
[47:54] Speaker 1: had this idea. I noticed all the NBA playoffs talk
[48:00] Speaker 1: has been about refs and fouls. And number one, that's
[48:05] Speaker 1: very dorky. But my idea to fix this is, and
[48:08] Speaker 1: it goes across any sports, all refs should be ex-players.
[48:12] Speaker 1: Let me know what you think about that. All right, bye.
[48:14] Speaker 2: All right, so he said all refs should be ex-players.
[48:20] Speaker 3: Ex-players.
[48:22] Speaker 2: I kind of like that. What do you think about that?
[48:26] Speaker 3: I kind of, especially like players who used to be enforcers.
[48:31] Speaker 3: Can you imagine, or players who used to yell at refs.
[48:33] Speaker 3: Can you imagine like KG as a ref?
[48:36] Speaker 2: Oh my God.
[48:37] Speaker 3: Or like Rajon Rondo as a ref.
[48:41] Speaker 2: I feel like that would wind up being an extension
[48:44] Speaker 2: of these guys now being in the media.
[48:47] Speaker 3: It would turn into wrestling very quickly.
[48:50] Speaker 2: Yes.
[48:51] Speaker 3: Yes.
[48:51] Speaker 2: But like these guys, like everything is different. Like on
[48:54] Speaker 2: the wire is season five when Jimmy McNulty became the boss.
[48:57] Speaker 3: Right.
[48:57] Speaker 2: He's like, Hey man, this is not what I thought
[49:00] Speaker 2: it was. I don't, I think the refs, if they weren't,
[49:03] Speaker 2: you know, losing their jobs as a result of this,
[49:05] Speaker 2: I think the refs would love this as much, if
[49:09] Speaker 2: not more than anybody else. Even if it was just like,
[49:11] Speaker 2: we going to do it for like a week.
[49:13] Speaker 3: Just to punish him. Like, like instead of Luca being suspended,
[49:16] Speaker 3: he has to be a ref for a game.
[49:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's just go see it. well the other
[49:19] Speaker 2: thing that happened that's gonna happen too is now we
[49:22] Speaker 2: gonna see refs fighting Right? Like, now we go see
[49:27] Speaker 2: refs and players scrapping it out.
[49:29] Speaker 3: Again, wrestling.
[49:31] Speaker 2: Yes, yes. You know what? Great idea, Will, from Oklahoma City.
[49:36] Speaker 2: And the best part is, if the refs were all
[49:39] Speaker 2: former players, although that would be a really bad economic move, like,
[49:44] Speaker 2: let some other people get some money, right? Yeah, for sure.
[49:46] Speaker 2: But if the refs were former players, then your beloved
[49:50] Speaker 2: Blue Devils would not be able to get away with
[49:52] Speaker 2: so much of this jankiness.
[49:54] Speaker 3: All right, here's our next one.
[49:55] Speaker 5: Hi, good morning. This is Carter from Brooklyn, New York.
[50:00] Speaker 5: I just wanted to say the episode with you and
[50:05] Speaker 5: Spencer Hall, y'all really need to write that book on
[50:09] Speaker 5: where the money is from because I knew the money
[50:12] Speaker 5: came from somewhere. I just didn't know it got that
[50:14] Speaker 5: deep in certain schools and certain conferences. I love to learn,
[50:18] Speaker 5: and when you know what you're watching, you see it differently.
[50:23] Speaker 5: All right, man? Keep doing your thing.
[50:26] Speaker 1: Have a great day.
[50:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you saying that. And I really think
[50:32] Speaker 2: that me and Spencer might need to like look into this.
[50:35] Speaker 3: It's at least an extended podcast series.
[50:37] Speaker 1: Yes.
[50:38] Speaker 2: I tell you this though. I would need to get
[50:40] Speaker 2: my weight up. It would not be hard to tell
[50:43] Speaker 2: what Spencer wrote and what I wrote. And I don't
[50:47] Speaker 2: need that in a fashion that is complimentary to myself.
[50:51] Speaker 3: All right. Here's our last one.
[50:54] Speaker 4: Hey, what's up, y'all? This is Eric calling in from
[50:57] Speaker 4: Los Angeles, California. I just started doing deliveries for a dispensary,
[51:04] Speaker 4: and I really, really hate my job. Not exactly how
[51:07] Speaker 4: I want to be making a living, but I just
[51:11] Speaker 4: got laid off from my job, and I didn't feel
[51:13] Speaker 4: like depleting my savings, so I decided to pick up
[51:17] Speaker 4: some hourly work to just keep myself financially steady. So,
[51:21] Speaker 4: As I've alluded to earlier, not really a fan of
[51:24] Speaker 4: my job. So I do little things to help pass
[51:27] Speaker 4: the time in my eight-hour shift. So one of the
[51:31] Speaker 4: funniest things or one of the things that I do
[51:33] Speaker 4: is when a name pops up for a cannabis delivery,
[51:38] Speaker 4: I decide– well, not decide. I basically try to guess
[51:43] Speaker 4: if this person is black or white. And so I
[51:46] Speaker 4: would get John Smith. Michael Johnson, just like Saturdays here
[51:50] Speaker 4: and there, and I just guessed that they're black or white.
[51:53] Speaker 4: There was one instance where there was a woman named
[51:56] Speaker 4: Harmony Jenkins, and I was just like, oh, dead ass,
[52:01] Speaker 4: this is black. I was dead wrong. So this deliver
[52:05] Speaker 4: was in Hollywood, drove up to it, and Miss Harmony
[52:09] Speaker 4: was a very bubbly white woman, very pleasant to talk to.
[52:13] Speaker 4: We shot the breeze for about five minutes. and we
[52:16] Speaker 4: exchanged pleasantries and went about my day. I walked away
[52:20] Speaker 4: thinking that that was the biggest shock of my very
[52:24] Speaker 4: short cannabis delivery career, but one of the funniest experiences
[52:28] Speaker 4: I've had so far in my recent employments or trying
[52:35] Speaker 4: to figure stuff out. But, anywho, thank you, Bomani. Thank
[52:38] Speaker 4: you for all that you do. You and the crew,
[52:42] Speaker 4: God bless. I'll talk to you later.
[52:44] Speaker 1: Bye-bye.
[52:47] Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything I can add to that, Ryan. Wow. Hey,
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