# Joel Anderson Breaks Down the Diddy Trial, Kirk Cousins Complaints, James Harden vs. Jimmy Butler

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 9 Jul 2025, 1 h 05 min.

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On today's episode of The Right Time, Joel Anderson of The Ringer joins Bomani Jones to discuss the Diddy Trial, Kirk Cousins and James Harden. The show starts off with Bo joking about Joel being a hater as always (0:58) before diving into the Diddy trial including how he can still be put in prison for 20+ years (9:36) and why he may not have as much money currently as people think (24:43). Moving on to sports, Bo and Joel react to Kirk Cousins' comments about the Atlanta Falcons deceiving him (42:49) and why Michael Penix Jr. sitting for most of the season was a good thing for him (46:03). The show rounds out with a debate centered around James Harden and if the Houston Rockets would have beaten the 2020 Miami Heat led by Jimmy Butler. (1:00:14) . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Visit BetterHelp.com/BOMANI today to get 10% off your first month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
[0:11] Speaker 1: get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like,
[0:16] Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
[0:18] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:20] Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
[0:22] Speaker 1: have a hater. I mean, a guest join us, coming
[0:25] Speaker 1: to us live from the ringer from D.C., one time
[0:28] Speaker 1: America's fastest 10-year-old, Joel Anderson. What's going on?
[0:32] Speaker 2: Why I got to be a hater, man? Last time
[0:33] Speaker 2: I saw you, I was in New York.
[0:34] Speaker 1: Why do you got to be a hater, Joe? Why
[0:36] Speaker 1: do you got to be a hater, Joe?
[0:36] Speaker 3: Last time I saw you, I was in New York.
[0:38] Speaker 3: I thought we had a great time. You know, we fellowshiped.
[0:42] Speaker 3: Have some good people in the room. Not all great people,
[0:45] Speaker 3: but not all, but some good, mostly good people. And
[0:49] Speaker 3: then here you go being like that, man.
[0:51] Speaker 1: I put a picture of myself on the Internet this weekend,
[0:53] Speaker 1: which I never do because I was wearing my fly
[0:55] Speaker 1: suit I got from Vietnam. And hey, somebody's laughing because
[0:58] Speaker 1: he knows he immediately just showed up to hate. That's all.
[1:02] Speaker 1: That's all he showed up to do. I think the
[1:04] Speaker 1: thing is.
[1:05] Speaker 3: Is that the side of the building looked like a church.
[1:08] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? So that means that, okay.
[1:14] Speaker 3: It looked very much like new pastor. It was like, hey,
[1:18] Speaker 3: I'm Reverend Jones. I'm going to be your new pastor.
[1:20] Speaker 3: I hope to see you at the service on Sunday.
[1:23] Speaker 3: I don't know the last time you went to a
[1:24] Speaker 3: goddamn church. You don't know what a pastor looks like,
[1:26] Speaker 3: number one. Number two, I was in a little bit
[1:28] Speaker 3: of a trick bag because it's a wedding that they.
[1:30] Speaker 1: Didn't want to put on the internet. You know what
[1:32] Speaker 1: I'm saying? And you know me. I fully respect not
[1:35] Speaker 1: putting your shit on the Internet. Right. So, you know,
[1:37] Speaker 1: got a picture of my brother. Nobody say all that.
[1:39] Speaker 1: So then once Joe come in, hate and talk about
[1:41] Speaker 1: past and now everybody else is everybody waiting for a
[1:44] Speaker 1: chance to get at me. They just be scared. You
[1:46] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And they're like, well, if if
[1:49] Speaker 1: a dude like Joe has room to hate, we all
[1:52] Speaker 1: have room to hate.
[1:53] Speaker 3: People respect that. I'm not scared. You know, and I
[1:55] Speaker 3: think that that opens up the fight.
[1:57] Speaker 1: It was a nice suit.
[1:58] Speaker 2: I mean, pastors wear nice suits. You going to tell
[2:00] Speaker 2: Raphael Warnock he ain't got a nice suit?
[2:02] Speaker 1: See, it's funny. You said you wasn't scared. I think
[2:05] Speaker 1: that you operate on the scared to speak, speak because
[2:06] Speaker 1: you're scared kind of program. You know what I'm saying?
[2:10] Speaker 1: But it's cool. It's cool. It's cool.
[2:11] Speaker 3: Look, man, look, it was a very nice suit. I
[2:13] Speaker 3: agreed with you, everybody. But again, I mean, don't people
[2:17] Speaker 3: want their pastor to look nice? That's what the pastor said.
[2:20] Speaker 3: Don't you want your pastor to have nice things?
[2:22] Speaker 1: And you know, they be throwing it at the pastor.
[2:24] Speaker 1: But I did realize, and it was actually a dilemma
[2:26] Speaker 1: for me where I was like, I don't know. I'm
[2:28] Speaker 1: afraid that I don't think about colors like that. But
[2:31] Speaker 1: I know like the whole like red tie, power tie stuff.
[2:34] Speaker 1: My brain don't think that deep. But the other tie
[2:36] Speaker 1: I had didn't work like I thought it would. And
[2:39] Speaker 1: so I was like, cool, I'll go with this. And
[2:41] Speaker 1: I figured my brother would say something to me if
[2:43] Speaker 1: it was a matter of thing. But he was like, no,
[2:45] Speaker 1: we don't go to church. So we don't think about
[2:47] Speaker 1: these sorts of things. You know what I'm saying? But
[2:49] Speaker 1: all you hypocritical heathens that have been every now and then,
[2:52] Speaker 1: how you know it was you?
[2:54] Speaker 2: I went to Catholic school, so I know a little
[2:57] Speaker 2: something about a suit, you know?
[2:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hear you. You don't know nothing about
[3:02] Speaker 1: the pastor wearing a suit. They got a uniform.
[3:05] Speaker 2: Oh, that's true. That's fair.
[3:07] Speaker 3: I mean, I went to church, you know, semi-regularly in
[3:10] Speaker 3: my youth. When was the last time you went to church?
[3:14] Speaker 3: I have multiple uncles who are pastors.
[3:15] Speaker 1: When was the last time you went to church?
[3:17] Speaker 3: I mean, so are we talking about just to go
[3:19] Speaker 3: to church, not for a funeral or something like that?
[3:21] Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Not to a church.
[3:24] Speaker 2: Okay. Church. So I'll tell you a funny story. My grandmother,
[3:28] Speaker 2: God rest her soul.
[3:29] Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that you can't just answer
[3:31] Speaker 1: the question.
[3:31] Speaker 4: I asked you when you went to church and you
[3:33] Speaker 4: were like, I got a funny story.
[3:35] Speaker 3: She was 95 years old at the time. She asked
[3:37] Speaker 3: me and my wife, she was like, so what church
[3:40] Speaker 3: do y'all go to out there in Palo Alto? And
[3:43] Speaker 3: I could not think of one. And my wife, my
[3:45] Speaker 3: beloved wife, Janae says, Palo Alto Baptist. And my grandmother, Paula,
[3:51] Speaker 3: she says, oh yeah, the Baptist do nice church. And
[3:54] Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, so you know. I don't, yeah,
[3:57] Speaker 3: it probably has been a few years. You know, because,
[4:00] Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely one of those youthful.
[4:01] Speaker 1: It clearly probably hasn't been a few years. You would
[4:03] Speaker 1: remember the last time you went. I know the last
[4:05] Speaker 1: time I went definitely had to be the year 2007
[4:09] Speaker 1: because the only time I can think that I was
[4:10] Speaker 1: going to church is when I was dating that woman. Wow.
[4:13] Speaker 2: Okay, well, you know what? I went People will be
[4:16] Speaker 2: shocked by this, maybe. I don't know. Maybe they won't be.
[4:19] Speaker 2: I went to Joel.
[4:19] Speaker 3: Osteen's church regularly for a little bit in 2005 when
[4:22] Speaker 3: I was looking for anything.
[4:24] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I was looking for something.
[4:26] Speaker 1: When you say you were looking for anything, which anything?
[4:29] Speaker 3: I was looking for hope. I was in what I
[4:32] Speaker 3: considered to be hope.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Hope. Yeah, hope. Not a woman named Hope.
[4:38] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Look, I thought you was
[4:40] Speaker 1: going to church looking for hope. Yeah. no you know
[4:44] Speaker 1: lesser p no quieter p no no no.
[4:48] Speaker 3: Um i was going back and forth between people in
[4:50] Speaker 3: houston when the fountain of praise and lakewood church and
[4:54] Speaker 3: uh for a little bit i was having you know
[4:56] Speaker 3: everybody you get to be 27 years old why.
[4:59] Speaker 1: Why why didn't you go to the temple when you
[5:00] Speaker 1: try to pledge muslim in the.
[5:02] Speaker 2: 90s well i mean it's funny you say that uh
[5:05] Speaker 2: but um You know what? I did.
[5:07] Speaker 3: I tried that a little bit, but I kind of
[5:09] Speaker 3: outgrew that. I outgrew that phase of my life, which
[5:12] Speaker 3: isn't to say that I don't have a lot of respect.
[5:14] Speaker 1: You wanted bacon again, didn't you? You wanted to go
[5:17] Speaker 1: back to bacon, didn't you?
[5:18] Speaker 2: You know what?
[5:18] Speaker 1: Or did you never get that far down the road?
[5:20] Speaker 2: You know what? I will say this.
[5:23] Speaker 3: I have basically given up pork over the last 30
[5:26] Speaker 3: some odd years. Every now and again, people will sneak
[5:28] Speaker 3: pork into my food.
[5:29] Speaker 1: My mom.
[5:30] Speaker 3: And I'll eat it, but I won't trip about it,
[5:33] Speaker 3: but I've given up pork.
[5:35] Speaker 2: Okay, so you didn't want to give up hope? Come on, man.
[5:39] Speaker 1: You didn't want to give up hope?
[5:40] Speaker 2: What you doing, man?
[5:41] Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a reasonable point if you
[5:42] Speaker 1: didn't want to give up hope.
[5:44] Speaker 2: What you doing, bro? What you doing?
[5:47] Speaker 1: If you didn't want to give up hope? That's a
[5:50] Speaker 1: big holdup. You saw Malcolm X was short. He was like, yo,
[5:53] Speaker 1: he did not want to give up the great white
[5:55] Speaker 1: hope in the pig's feet. Look, man.
[5:58] Speaker 2: I just said hope.
[6:00] Speaker 1: I didn't even put you in the bag.
[6:01] Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. By that time, you know what?
[6:05] Speaker 3: I think I moved on. I'm a married man now.
[6:08] Speaker 3: It don't even matter.
[6:10] Speaker 5: I know.
[6:10] Speaker 4: I know.
[6:10] Speaker 1: And if you had given up hope, you wouldn't be
[6:13] Speaker 1: married because she wasn't going to marry nobody in the nation. Hey,
[6:15] Speaker 1: I'm going to switch gears and save you. You know
[6:17] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Because that clearly is what it is.
[6:19] Speaker 1: You want to be, you need a little saving right now.
[6:22] Speaker 1: I got you. What you want to do?
[6:23] Speaker 3: I want to say something real quick. Cause I could just,
[6:25] Speaker 3: just a real quick shout out to my people in Kerrville, Texas.
[6:27] Speaker 3: Cause people know I'm, I'm my father's family.
[6:30] Speaker 1: I'm pinning that, pinning that. I'm going to get to it.
[6:32] Speaker 1: I'm going to get to it. Okay. This is why
[6:33] Speaker 1: you let me host my own show. You know what
[6:35] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[6:36] Speaker 2: My bad. Well, you, I mean, you let, you let
[6:38] Speaker 2: old boy come on here and ask you questions all
[6:39] Speaker 2: the time. You know what I'm saying? So I can't
[6:41] Speaker 2: do that.
[6:41] Speaker 1: That's because I let him produce the, we talked about
[6:44] Speaker 1: that in advance.
[6:45] Speaker 2: Okay.
[6:46] Speaker 1: All right. Thank you very much. See, there come the
[6:48] Speaker 1: Joel hate. You let somebody else do it. Right. It
[6:50] Speaker 1: all pop up right there. So for people who don't know,
[6:53] Speaker 1: Joel Anderson hosted an award winning season of Slow Burn
[6:57] Speaker 1: when he worked at Slate. And they're the podcast series
[6:59] Speaker 1: about Tupac and Biggie situation. And therefore, he is a
[7:04] Speaker 1: foremost authority on diddle. and um diddle was acquitted of
[7:10] Speaker 1: many charges well there's five charges he got busted on
[7:12] Speaker 1: two but the three big ones diddle got acquitted on
[7:15] Speaker 1: like dave chapelle like he is in enormous trouble he
[7:17] Speaker 1: is on the rico by himself which apparently a line
[7:21] Speaker 1: that rang true with the jury because he managed to
[7:23] Speaker 1: be that one um i didn't pay that much attention
[7:26] Speaker 1: to the actual trial right but i did notice All
[7:30] Speaker 1: the salacious details were coming out, but I didn't feel
[7:33] Speaker 1: like they were making what seemed to be their biggest point.
[7:36] Speaker 1: And you tell me if I'm wrong here, but the
[7:38] Speaker 1: biggest point seemed to be that they were trying to
[7:39] Speaker 1: allege that Bad Boy Records or whatever his company is
[7:43] Speaker 1: actually was simply a front for Freak Off LLC. Right.
[7:47] Speaker 1: That's the whole idea of racketeering is that your business
[7:49] Speaker 1: presents is one thing. The JNCO olive oil company from
[7:52] Speaker 1: the godfather. Right. You present your business is one thing
[7:54] Speaker 1: when you're actually doing something else. And now that I
[7:57] Speaker 1: look back on it, I think we got a little
[7:59] Speaker 1: caught up at the time. But I'm like, yeah, you know,
[8:01] Speaker 1: that was a pretty ambitious legal attempt that they made there.
[8:05] Speaker 3: I mean, who else did they I mean, the thing is,
[8:07] Speaker 3: they didn't bring anybody else up to sustain that. OK,
[8:10] Speaker 3: what I was running this other business, we were doing
[8:12] Speaker 3: this instead of. you know, we were, you know, we
[8:16] Speaker 3: had our hands in all these other businesses doing all
[8:18] Speaker 3: these other things. Like that's not something that ever was
[8:21] Speaker 3: sustained in court. And I heard one of the jurors
[8:25] Speaker 3: came out and talked about that and they were always,
[8:27] Speaker 3: they walked in skeptical.
[8:29] Speaker 2: Of that as a claim.
[8:30] Speaker 3: Like one of the alternate jurors has been talking in
[8:34] Speaker 3: the last few days and he said they walked in
[8:36] Speaker 3: skeptical of that charge in and of itself. And the
[8:39] Speaker 3: prosecution never really prove that. And so that's the, that's
[8:43] Speaker 3: one piece of it. But also I think the thing is,
[8:46] Speaker 3: is that, and this actually kind of surprised me, that
[8:49] Speaker 3: same juror said that they actually got to watch some.
[8:51] Speaker 2: Of the footage of these freak offs.
[8:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:56] Speaker 2: He said it was very tame.
[8:57] Speaker 3: A lot of people rubbing each other and baby oil.
[9:01] Speaker 3: It's not like you, it wasn't like a hardcore action
[9:03] Speaker 3: or anything like that, allegedly. And so that was another thing.
[9:06] Speaker 3: They're like, well, this is a very tame thing. bit
[9:09] Speaker 3: of theater here. And so when you bring all of
[9:11] Speaker 3: that all together, it's like, you didn't really have Diddy
[9:14] Speaker 3: with his fingers doing all this other stuff, sort of
[9:15] Speaker 3: trying to wash his money or doing anything else.
[9:18] Speaker 2: And you don't, you have the.
[9:19] Speaker 3: Actual footage of the stuff that is allegedly so bad
[9:23] Speaker 3: and it seems fairly tame. And maybe that's because, you know,
[9:25] Speaker 3: we live in a world where you can see hardcore
[9:27] Speaker 3: action pretty much at any time. It didn't seem like they,
[9:31] Speaker 3: the prosecution was able really, they overreached a little bit.
[9:34] Speaker 3: And I think everybody has said that. I mean, they
[9:36] Speaker 3: still got him. I mean, he still could face up
[9:38] Speaker 3: to 20 years in prison.
[9:39] Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know he, I didn't know he'd get
[9:41] Speaker 1: that much time.
[9:41] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He could still get 20.
[9:42] Speaker 3: He could still face 20 years, but it's just in
[9:45] Speaker 3: terms of like the big overarching charges, the racketeering and
[9:49] Speaker 3: all that other stuff, like that kind of fell by
[9:51] Speaker 3: the wayside.
[9:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[9:51] Speaker 2: The trafficking. That didn't, that didn't, that didn't, that didn't
[9:54] Speaker 2: hold water. Yeah.
[9:55] Speaker 1: I think it's a trick back on these things where
[9:57] Speaker 1: and I understand people who they took the verdict as
[10:01] Speaker 1: people don't believe the victims. And I didn't get that
[10:05] Speaker 1: feeling from what I was checking out. Right. It seemed
[10:08] Speaker 1: to me to be a little bit more of a
[10:09] Speaker 1: question of. But is this what you say it is
[10:13] Speaker 1: in terms of the law? And if I'm wrong, somebody
[10:17] Speaker 1: can feel free to correct me because I don't want
[10:18] Speaker 1: to invalidate anybody's experience or anything like that. But I
[10:21] Speaker 1: did not take that as people don't believe that Diddy
[10:25] Speaker 1: did the things that they said he did. I think
[10:28] Speaker 1: they wound up with stuff where you got text messages
[10:30] Speaker 1: and stuff where an alleged victim seems to be organizing
[10:35] Speaker 1: the event. Then it's hard to convince 12 people that
[10:39] Speaker 1: this is a Stockholm Syndrome sort of thing, which seemed
[10:42] Speaker 1: to me to be what they were trying to go for. Right.
[10:44] Speaker 2: And I mean, I think that's the thing.
[10:46] Speaker 3: It's like some people can take things, especially when it
[10:48] Speaker 3: comes to like the law, you can take things too literally.
[10:51] Speaker 2: Or you can just not be disabused of your priors.
[10:53] Speaker 3: And so, yeah, it's like difficult to explain to people
[10:55] Speaker 3: in court that sometimes victims might.
[11:00] Speaker 2: Fall in love with the people that abuse them.
[11:01] Speaker 3: Right. And they may want to do things to make
[11:03] Speaker 3: them happy and to keep them, you know, to keep
[11:05] Speaker 3: them docile so they free themselves of abuse or whatever.
[11:08] Speaker 1: Right.
[11:09] Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that they weren't abused.
[11:11] Speaker 3: But in terms of the law, you can understand how
[11:13] Speaker 3: that could be very complicated in convincing a jury of
[11:17] Speaker 3: 12 people, eight of the men. You could understand how
[11:20] Speaker 3: they might look at that and be like, well, I mean,
[11:22] Speaker 3: he is clearly a bad person, a bad partner, an
[11:25] Speaker 3: abusive partner, but that's not what he's on trial.
[11:27] Speaker 1: For, really. Yeah, and that was interesting that his lawyers
[11:30] Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I mean, he's a domestic abuser.
[11:33] Speaker 2: He's a violent man.
[11:34] Speaker 1: Yo, you are in deep doo-doo when you start by
[11:39] Speaker 1: specifying that. We're like, look, there's no point in lying
[11:42] Speaker 1: about that. You saw it. He be swang it.
[11:45] Speaker 2: You're right, right. He's definitely, oh yeah, I mean, that's
[11:48] Speaker 2: the thing.
[11:48] Speaker 3: And actually, this is because I think a lot of people,
[11:51] Speaker 3: like as we get to the end of this, like
[11:54] Speaker 3: whatever his sentencing is going to be is going to
[11:56] Speaker 3: be but sort of like the re-imagining of the Diddy image.
[12:00] Speaker 3: Like if you look back 30 years ago, like nobody
[12:04] Speaker 3: was really talking about Puffy as a violent or bad person, right?
[12:09] Speaker 3: Like they were saying he was maybe a shady businessman
[12:12] Speaker 3: or whatever. He had not done right by his artists,
[12:14] Speaker 3: but the idea that he was sort of a guy that.
[12:17] Speaker 2: You know, was cruel and mean to people and everything else.
[12:20] Speaker 3: Like even the first time that he popped up and,
[12:23] Speaker 3: in the news with the city college party that ended
[12:26] Speaker 3: up with nine people getting killed there.
[12:28] Speaker 2: Like it was like, Oh, it was an accident.
[12:31] Speaker 3: Like I, we, how could I have known, you know,
[12:33] Speaker 3: we had that party and, you know, unfortunately we didn't
[12:35] Speaker 3: go by the, whatever the standards were and people got
[12:37] Speaker 3: hurt and killed.
[12:38] Speaker 2: But like, it was a mistake.
[12:40] Speaker 3: The shooting that involves Sean and JLo, it was like, Oh,
[12:43] Speaker 3: you know, that's not, you know, I wasn't really involved
[12:46] Speaker 3: with that.
[12:46] Speaker 2: I didn't fire the gun, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[12:48] Speaker 3: But nobody thought of him as a violent person.
[12:50] Speaker 2: But like when you think about.
[12:51] Speaker 3: The toll, when you add up all these incidents over
[12:54] Speaker 3: the years, it's like, oh, like this dude is actually
[12:56] Speaker 3: a bad person, though. Right.
[12:57] Speaker 2: I mean, I feel comfortable saying that, like he's not
[13:00] Speaker 2: a good dude.
[13:01] Speaker 1: And so, you know, I'm sorry. In line with that.
[13:05] Speaker 1: There is a the best example of this is Hammer, right? Hmm.
[13:10] Speaker 1: There is a joy, and I'm not saying, let me
[13:12] Speaker 1: get to what I am saying. I don't want anybody
[13:14] Speaker 1: to aggregate this, so we'll be very clear about what
[13:16] Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There is a certain joy that we
[13:19] Speaker 1: get in talking about cats that you might not have
[13:21] Speaker 1: known is a little big gangster with theirs. And MC
[13:25] Speaker 1: Hammer is at the top of the list, right? Redman
[13:28] Speaker 1: talked about that. MC Search talked about how they had
[13:31] Speaker 1: to sit him next to Michael Jackson at the American
[13:32] Speaker 1: Music Awards because Hammer was trying to have him touched.
[13:36] Speaker 1: And the only place that he could be safe was
[13:37] Speaker 1: in the seat by Michael Jackson. And we were like, yo,
[13:40] Speaker 1: Hammer a gangster. People didn't know it now, but cats
[13:42] Speaker 1: in the game knew he was a gangster. And they
[13:44] Speaker 1: kind of talk about it like with a chuckle, like,
[13:46] Speaker 1: oh yeah, y'all ain't know. Y'all don't want to wear Hammer.
[13:49] Speaker 1: Nobody talks about Puff like that or even talked really
[13:52] Speaker 1: about him like that then, but they all knew. Like
[13:55] Speaker 1: it wasn't like the cats in the game saw him as, hey,
[13:58] Speaker 1: you need to leave him alone because you might have
[13:59] Speaker 1: to fight. It seemed like, like, Cam and Mace, when
[14:02] Speaker 1: they talked about it on their show when it first
[14:04] Speaker 1: came out, and Cam talks about how Mace did not
[14:07] Speaker 1: walk him up to Bad Boy, and Mace is saying,
[14:09] Speaker 1: you know, basically, I can't remember which one of them
[14:11] Speaker 1: said it, but the two of them are saying... He
[14:13] Speaker 1: wanted to take him by somebody who would do right
[14:15] Speaker 1: by him, right? Like that tenor was there. But even then,
[14:18] Speaker 1: nobody was like, man, I told y'all Puff ain't nobody
[14:21] Speaker 1: to mess with or nothing like that. Nobody's saying it.
[14:24] Speaker 1: That's not the tenor that it comes up when people
[14:27] Speaker 1: talk about him.
[14:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because Suge kind of like hinted at
[14:30] Speaker 3: the fact like, I know that there's this perception of
[14:32] Speaker 3: me as a big bad guy. and that I'm the
[14:34] Speaker 3: gangster or whatever, but like Puff does bad stuff too.
[14:37] Speaker 1: Right.
[14:37] Speaker 3: But like, nobody kind of thought of it in that way.
[14:39] Speaker 3: And also the thing is, it's like the dudes that
[14:42] Speaker 3: really give off gangster and hip hop never really talked
[14:45] Speaker 3: about like Shug and 50 kind of like clown him, man.
[14:48] Speaker 3: Like this whole time, like they were not really afraid
[14:50] Speaker 3: of him, but for people that did not have an
[14:52] Speaker 3: equivalent amount of power influence in the game, Puffy was
[14:55] Speaker 3: somebody that they had like, man, like Mark Curry, man,
[14:58] Speaker 3: like Mark Curry, who was on his label.
[15:00] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:00] Speaker 3: Like, talking about the things that he did and the
[15:03] Speaker 3: way that he treated people. Eugene Deal, who would talk
[15:05] Speaker 3: to anybody, man, you know, his former bodyguard, has talked
[15:09] Speaker 3: about the ways that Puffy did and treated people. But
[15:12] Speaker 3: it was like he was really good at taking advantage
[15:14] Speaker 3: and hurting people who could not hurt him back.
[15:17] Speaker 2: And so that's the thing, I think.
[15:18] Speaker 1: What was the Mark Curry book? Was it called Dance
[15:20] Speaker 1: with the Devil?
[15:20] Speaker 2: Dance with the Devil, yeah.
[15:22] Speaker 1: It is worth a read. Like I read it. It
[15:25] Speaker 1: goes off the rails at the very end of the book.
[15:28] Speaker 1: But especially now, because I read it before all this
[15:31] Speaker 1: kind of had gotten out there. It's a really interesting
[15:34] Speaker 1: read because the point that he makes that other people
[15:36] Speaker 1: make is everybody that was on Bad Boy either ended
[15:40] Speaker 1: up dead in jail or in church.
[15:42] Speaker 3: I mean, just I mean, Craig, Matt, Biggie. Black Rob
[15:48] Speaker 3: who died strung out. I mean, just think about all these.
[15:52] Speaker 2: Folks, man.
[15:53] Speaker 1: G-Dep went and walked to the police station and told
[15:56] Speaker 1: them about a 10 or 15-year-old murder just because the
[15:59] Speaker 1: guilt was eating them.
[16:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
[16:02] Speaker 3: I mean, people see Mace up there alongside Cameron and
[16:06] Speaker 3: they may not, you know, they weren't there in 97
[16:08] Speaker 3: or 98. I mean, that dude was a huge star
[16:12] Speaker 3: and he walked away from it all. I mean, that's
[16:15] Speaker 3: how much of a toll uh, being in Diddy's, uh,
[16:18] Speaker 3: being under Diddy's employ did to him, man. I mean, day, uh,
[16:22] Speaker 3: day 26, Danny became like all these other folks, man.
[16:25] Speaker 3: Like they, they, they were really scarred by having an
[16:28] Speaker 3: affiliation with this dude.
[16:29] Speaker 1: So this is, you know, there's not so much legal
[16:33] Speaker 1: analysis to get in, right? Like it goes like, it's
[16:35] Speaker 1: more about where it goes forward. Now he need to
[16:37] Speaker 1: watch out because the judge can do whatever it is
[16:39] Speaker 1: they want to him. at this point, right? Like, you know,
[16:42] Speaker 1: is he probably going to get to 20? Maybe not,
[16:44] Speaker 1: but there's nothing stopping him from giving them, let's call
[16:46] Speaker 1: it five, and five years in federal pen at that
[16:50] Speaker 1: man's age, he might need to get up on his dean.
[16:52] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, they give him a
[16:55] Speaker 1: little bit too long, he gonna, you know, salam alaikum, brother. Like,
[16:59] Speaker 1: you gonna need to, you know, he gonna come out
[17:01] Speaker 1: that motherfucker looking like Frederick Douglass with all that gray hair,
[17:04] Speaker 1: you know, and all that, you know, however it goes.
[17:07] Speaker 1: But I have heard people Let's say he doesn't go
[17:12] Speaker 1: to jail, right? Let's just throw it out there as
[17:14] Speaker 1: a hypothetical. Let's say they give him time served and
[17:18] Speaker 1: he walks out. I have seen people make the argument that,
[17:22] Speaker 1: and I think that there's a certain resignation and cynicism.
[17:25] Speaker 1: It is the idea that he could do that. And
[17:27] Speaker 1: then now there'll still be people that are staying next
[17:29] Speaker 1: to him. I don't know about that. Like, I don't,
[17:33] Speaker 1: I think that the idea of cancellation, people think of
[17:36] Speaker 1: that as such absolute terms and there will be some
[17:39] Speaker 1: places that he can go. But he ain't coming back
[17:42] Speaker 1: to where he used to be, right? He's not just
[17:44] Speaker 1: going to be like, remember, O.J. got acquitted. And O.J.
[17:47] Speaker 1: thought he was just about to pull up on the
[17:49] Speaker 1: white folks in Brentwood like nothing ever happened. And they
[17:51] Speaker 1: were like, hey.
[17:53] Speaker 2: Not our bad, brother. Yeah.
[17:56] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[17:56] Speaker 3: It's funny you said O.J. because that's exactly who sort
[17:59] Speaker 3: of comes to mind. And I mean, at this point,
[18:01] Speaker 3: I mean, what are you going to stand next to
[18:02] Speaker 3: Diddy to do?
[18:04] Speaker 2: Right.
[18:04] Speaker 3: Like, I mean, like, I mean, so in terms of
[18:07] Speaker 3: like his influence in music, I mean, we're talking about
[18:11] Speaker 3: The last time he was, you remember people when you
[18:14] Speaker 3: were a kid, people talk about Barry Gordy, right? And
[18:17] Speaker 3: it was like, man, Barry Gordy was a big deal
[18:18] Speaker 3: in 1968. I mean, that's puffy to a lot of
[18:22] Speaker 3: these kids today. So even if he gets welcomed back
[18:26] Speaker 3: into polite society.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Well, hold on though. If Barry Gordy pull up to
[18:33] Speaker 1: the Source Awards- They was going to let Barry Gordy
[18:36] Speaker 1: into the source room.
[18:36] Speaker 2: That's a fair point. That's a fair point, yeah.
[18:38] Speaker 1: And let us be very clear. He, Puffy, is not
[18:42] Speaker 1: in OT, Barry Gordy. Let's get to the bottom of this, right?
[18:48] Speaker 1: But I'm not even thinking about the kids. I'm thinking
[18:50] Speaker 1: about his contemporaries. So let's take it to a different event, right? Okay.
[18:54] Speaker 1: You think he's going to get to come back to
[18:55] Speaker 1: the Roc Nation brunch? I don't think he can. Of
[18:57] Speaker 1: course not.
[18:58] Speaker 3: No way. I mean, Jay-Z is like pretty... I mean,
[19:03] Speaker 3: people that have not done anything remotely close to what
[19:06] Speaker 3: Puffy has been alleged to have done. So yeah, no
[19:08] Speaker 3: way he's getting invited to that.
[19:10] Speaker 1: You also got to remember this part, right? Like when
[19:12] Speaker 1: it comes down to the application of his re-entry into
[19:16] Speaker 1: whatever form of society that you wish to discuss, there
[19:21] Speaker 1: is all the terribleness that he engaged in, right? Certainly.
[19:26] Speaker 1: There's also the story that He would be watching the
[19:32] Speaker 1: freak offs in another room. Right. And so the freak
[19:37] Speaker 1: offs would come to their conclusion. And he would have
[19:42] Speaker 1: Cassie take some of the fluids and bring them to him.
[19:50] Speaker 1: so that he could rub them on his nipples in
[19:54] Speaker 1: the other room. And I'm telling you right now, they
[19:58] Speaker 1: ain't letting that back in the crew. Like. I think
[20:03] Speaker 1: it is a fair point to make that men are
[20:05] Speaker 1: far too tolerant of violence against women, right? They don't
[20:07] Speaker 1: stand up on these things. And I can see why
[20:09] Speaker 1: people would think, oh, they're going to let the cat
[20:11] Speaker 1: back in. But that man was exposed as a deviant
[20:14] Speaker 1: in ways that I think will make it very, very
[20:17] Speaker 1: difficult for him to come anywhere else.
[20:20] Speaker 2: What did you say? Come to where?
[20:22] Speaker 1: You didn't have to do that. Okay.
[20:24] Speaker 3: Anyway, so I agree that that kind of, but the
[20:31] Speaker 3: thing is, man, a lot of these cats kind of
[20:34] Speaker 3: seem to know, right?
[20:36] Speaker 2: Like maybe they didn't know to the extent of that.
[20:38] Speaker 1: I don't think they knew that one.
[20:39] Speaker 4: Right?
[20:40] Speaker 3: Because I mean, so you've seen that video of, because
[20:44] Speaker 3: 50 Cent points this out all the time. There's this video,
[20:47] Speaker 3: it's Puffy at the table, it's like Noriega and some
[20:49] Speaker 3: other dudes and Fabulous is there. And Fabulous is talking
[20:54] Speaker 3: to Diddy, he's like, hey man, so when we gonna party?
[20:56] Speaker 3: When we gonna hang out? And if you could just
[20:58] Speaker 3: see Fabless like tense up, get real, you know, like,
[21:00] Speaker 3: yeah man, I hung out with you for one of
[21:02] Speaker 3: my birthdays. He's like, no man, I'm talking about when
[21:04] Speaker 3: you gonna party with me. When you gonna party with me?
[21:06] Speaker 3: And like, Fab is like all tensed up. And I
[21:09] Speaker 3: was like, I kind of feel like these, the rumors
[21:13] Speaker 3: of this stuff has always been out there.
[21:15] Speaker 2: And, You know what I mean?
[21:18] Speaker 1: Well, hold on. Well, that raises another question. Yeah. How
[21:21] Speaker 1: many cats who were not under his employ was out
[21:24] Speaker 1: there running with him in the first place?
[21:27] Speaker 2: That's a great point.
[21:28] Speaker 1: Right? Like, who's after Big died? Who was Jay-Z to
[21:34] Speaker 1: his Dane Dash or whatever? I mean, I guess maybe
[21:36] Speaker 1: after Shine, like hanging out with Puffy, you might go
[21:38] Speaker 1: to jail, right? But like he, there wasn't no freaking
[21:41] Speaker 1: frack out here, just out here. Like cats, I guess,
[21:44] Speaker 1: would just go into the parties.
[21:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the thing.
[21:47] Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people went to those parties
[21:49] Speaker 3: and I mean, it's funny because the only people that
[21:51] Speaker 3: I've ever, that I've seen say, hey I want to
[21:53] Speaker 3: go to a freak off again a chopper you remember
[21:56] Speaker 3: chopper from the band.
[21:57] Speaker 1: Oh yeah I do remember chopper.
[21:58] Speaker 3: Yeah chopper was like I would love to go to
[22:00] Speaker 3: a freak off again you know now maybe he wasn't
[22:02] Speaker 3: there for all of the you know maybe he missed
[22:05] Speaker 3: that part he wasn't in that room where that exchange
[22:08] Speaker 3: was going on with Cassie or whatever but a lot
[22:11] Speaker 3: of these cats that are in the business I kind
[22:13] Speaker 3: of feel like they some of them were in those
[22:15] Speaker 3: rooms already and they just didn't want to talk about
[22:17] Speaker 3: it so but but to your point he ain't never
[22:21] Speaker 3: gonna get welcome to the Grammys again He ain't never,
[22:24] Speaker 3: you know, whatever this new 106 and Park gonna be
[22:26] Speaker 3: or whatever, he ain't gonna get invited on that. But
[22:30] Speaker 3: the thing is, you can kind of carve out a
[22:31] Speaker 3: lane for yourself if you're shameless enough on the internet.
[22:34] Speaker 3: Like anybody can just kind of start up their own thing.
[22:36] Speaker 3: And people will want to hear. I do think people
[22:39] Speaker 3: will want to hear from him. And there are enough
[22:40] Speaker 3: people that hate women and resent this dude, this powerful
[22:44] Speaker 3: black man being held to account. I think that depending
[22:48] Speaker 3: on how Puff wants to play it, there may be
[22:50] Speaker 3: an audience for him. It won't be what it was,
[22:53] Speaker 3: but it could be something.
[22:54] Speaker 1: But I think he has one problem. He's not very interesting.
[22:57] Speaker 1: Remember that time he said something interesting?
[22:59] Speaker 2: Man, that's a good question.
[23:02] Speaker 1: You know, so like, for example... and I'm not, obviously
[23:05] Speaker 1: I'm not saying they are similar in the context, which
[23:07] Speaker 1: we're discussing, but like that 50 cent is an interesting
[23:10] Speaker 1: guy who says interesting things.
[23:12] Speaker 2: He could tell you a smart guy too.
[23:14] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Uh, should night even used to say somewhat
[23:18] Speaker 1: interesting things, but I ain't listening to his podcast from
[23:21] Speaker 1: the jail phone. You know what I'm saying? Like, I
[23:23] Speaker 1: got like, I'm not, I'm not doing that. Like, so
[23:25] Speaker 1: I guess you're right, but I don't know. I think Diddy. Okay.
[23:31] Speaker 1: So let's think about it this way. Right. After what
[23:33] Speaker 1: happened with Rihanna, Chris Brown immediately tried to roll into the,
[23:38] Speaker 1: I'm still a fresh-faced kid, right? He's showing up, doing interviews,
[23:41] Speaker 1: looking like Orville Reddenbacher, all that to try to sell.
[23:44] Speaker 1: And then we're like, partner, not working. And so he
[23:47] Speaker 1: turned into the Chris Brown that he is now.
[23:50] Speaker 2: He got on his black mamba, yeah.
[23:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when a rich brother wants you and your
[23:53] Speaker 1: man can't do nothing for you, right? He became that guy.
[23:58] Speaker 1: I don't think that Diddy... can slash will make that
[24:02] Speaker 1: turn which is kind of what you have to do
[24:03] Speaker 1: to lean into the idea that you're talking about what
[24:06] Speaker 1: diddy aspires to be is completely different like i think
[24:09] Speaker 1: chris brown deep down in his heart always wanted to
[24:11] Speaker 1: be like a gangsta type dude in la diddy when
[24:16] Speaker 1: everybody like when he was putting his people in uh
[24:20] Speaker 1: in tim's and all that stuff he was putting himself
[24:22] Speaker 1: in suits right Right. Like he and Jay-Z aspire to
[24:28] Speaker 1: be something else and wanted to go to that place.
[24:30] Speaker 1: So like when people like, let's just say he gets
[24:32] Speaker 1: top serve and he gets back up. They like nothing
[24:34] Speaker 1: happened to him. No, don't you worry. he's feeling some pain, right?
[24:38] Speaker 1: It ain't the pain that in our carceral society that
[24:41] Speaker 1: we think you're supposed to have, but he ain't got
[24:44] Speaker 1: no money as I recall.
[24:45] Speaker 2: Right.
[24:46] Speaker 3: I mean, that's the other thing. Like a lot of
[24:48] Speaker 3: those like brand sponsorships and things like that. Like it
[24:50] Speaker 3: ain't like he owned that tequila company. Like he's just,
[24:54] Speaker 3: he was just the face of it.
[24:55] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[24:55] Speaker 2: Right.
[24:57] Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I don't, I'll be curious to know
[24:59] Speaker 3: how he's able to make money like going forward.
[25:01] Speaker 2: Like that. I don't think he's going to be broke,
[25:03] Speaker 2: but like, You know how Dame Dash is kind of like, well...
[25:06] Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.
[25:06] Speaker 1: But he is broke.
[25:09] Speaker 2: Who?
[25:10] Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he... He stacked
[25:14] Speaker 1: up all that money. What was it? For bail or whatever?
[25:17] Speaker 1: But remember, his money was not great when this came up.
[25:22] Speaker 2: It's not what people think it is. So, yes. What
[25:26] Speaker 2: will Diddy do?
[25:27] Speaker 3: That's the thing, though, bro. Like, He really cares about
[25:31] Speaker 3: money though. I mean, so you did talk about the
[25:33] Speaker 3: point that he wanted to be seen as a businessman,
[25:35] Speaker 3: but all of it was an end to getting paid
[25:37] Speaker 3: and like money was really important to him. And I
[25:40] Speaker 3: feel like if that's an ethos, and this is something
[25:42] Speaker 3: the judge even said, like, yo, like he comes up
[25:45] Speaker 3: here and he's still not, like he was reaching out
[25:48] Speaker 3: to witnesses while he was detained. Like he was breaking
[25:51] Speaker 3: the law while he was under investigation doing stuff. So like,
[25:54] Speaker 3: Like he's got some sort of an edge. He still
[25:56] Speaker 3: likes that sort of life. And so I'm just wondering
[25:59] Speaker 3: somebody that is that addicted to the lifestyle, somebody that
[26:02] Speaker 3: is only known comfort for like the last 30 years
[26:05] Speaker 3: of his life.
[26:05] Speaker 2: I feel like that kind of cat will.
[26:07] Speaker 3: Be willing to maneuver to do whatever it takes to
[26:09] Speaker 3: still like have some sort of income coming in.
[26:12] Speaker 2: I just don't know what that is.
[26:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
[26:15] Speaker 2: It ain't like white people want to see Diddy. You
[26:17] Speaker 2: know what I mean?
[26:18] Speaker 1: Right. We'll see.
[26:19] Speaker 2: He don't mean nothing to them.
[26:21] Speaker 1: Right. So that's just the thing. And to be clear,
[26:22] Speaker 1: I think this is something that gets lost and it
[26:24] Speaker 1: is somewhat fascinating to me. White people don't stick with
[26:28] Speaker 1: a black favorites past. Like it's just some shit they
[26:31] Speaker 1: do when they're teenagers. Like there's some exceptions, certainly. But
[26:36] Speaker 1: the people who could sell 10 million copies. So MC
[26:39] Speaker 1: Hammer as a great example. MC Hammer was selling records
[26:43] Speaker 1: like NSYNC was selling records, like Justin Timberlake was selling records.
[26:47] Speaker 1: And no matter how much clowning people did, people love
[26:50] Speaker 1: those records, right? MC Hammer came doing those arena tour
[26:53] Speaker 1: around America. And look, he got three albums, three albums
[26:58] Speaker 1: and more worth of hits. He could put together, it
[27:01] Speaker 1: wasn't my jam, but I saw y'all wearing them pants.
[27:05] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[27:05] Speaker 2: I went to the MC Hammer concert in 1990, man.
[27:08] Speaker 2: You know, it was dope.
[27:10] Speaker 1: But MC Hammer played halftime at basketball games. You know
[27:13] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like they don't they don't come with
[27:16] Speaker 1: us on this. There are a couple of exceptions, maybe.
[27:19] Speaker 1: But like it doesn't it isn't a lasting thing for
[27:22] Speaker 1: white people with a black axe. And so somebody like Puppy.
[27:24] Speaker 1: So when it's time to do the bad boy reunion
[27:27] Speaker 1: tour like they did or whatever. And bad boy was
[27:29] Speaker 1: a big, giant deal in all those people. So lots
[27:33] Speaker 1: of records. That is a BET Awards affair.
[27:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real, man, because I'm trying to think.
[27:39] Speaker 1: I mean.
[27:39] Speaker 2: Man, you know what?
[27:40] Speaker 3: The right level of fame, I've thought about this because
[27:43] Speaker 3: my wife is a huge fan of his and I've
[27:44] Speaker 3: had to go to his concerts.
[27:45] Speaker 2: It's like Maxwell. You know what I mean?
[27:47] Speaker 3: Like Maxwell can always go. He always got his fans.
[27:50] Speaker 3: He can go someplace and play.
[27:52] Speaker 1: He can play a civic center.
[27:53] Speaker 2: He can play a civic center.
[27:54] Speaker 1: He can play a concert hall. And by the way,
[27:56] Speaker 1: I just saw he parlayed his fame into a dream.
[27:59] Speaker 1: Did you see that?
[28:00] Speaker 2: Uh-uh.
[28:01] Speaker 1: What? He pulled up somewhere with Janet Jackson.
[28:03] Speaker 2: Did he really?
[28:04] Speaker 1: Did he? Yes, he did.
[28:06] Speaker 2: Did he?
[28:07] Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
[28:08] Speaker 2: Okay. All right, Diddy. Man, I like that.
[28:11] Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't... Sometimes it takes 30 years to
[28:13] Speaker 1: make you happy. You know what I'm saying?
[28:15] Speaker 2: That's an interesting combination, but good for him, man, living
[28:18] Speaker 2: out that dream.
[28:20] Speaker 1: And you know what happened. You know what happened. It
[28:23] Speaker 1: took a long time, but he saw it with Jermaine Dupri,
[28:26] Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Like,
[28:30] Speaker 1: Chris Rock had that routine to see a Janet Jackson
[28:32] Speaker 1: with Jermaine Dupri was like, find it out a sale
[28:34] Speaker 1: the day after. Yeah.
[28:37] Speaker 3: No, what I always go back to is the wood.
[28:40] Speaker 3: Oh boy, it was like, you look that Nick Terry bone,
[28:43] Speaker 3: and I know I.
[28:43] Speaker 2: Look better than him.
[28:47] Speaker 1: That is such a horrible way to look at things,
[28:50] Speaker 1: but men and women both do that.
[28:53] Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. It's like, man, I had a chance this
[28:56] Speaker 2: whole time.
[28:57] Speaker 1: Brother, brother, Jermaine Dupri had Janet Jackson walk around with
[29:01] Speaker 1: a belly button ring that said JD's girl. Yeah, man.
[29:04] Speaker 1: That's something out of JD's revenge. Are you serious? He's
[29:09] Speaker 1: five foot three.
[29:10] Speaker 2: Nobody saw it, man.
[29:11] Speaker 3: I mean, it's, It's the black version of Julia Roberts
[29:14] Speaker 3: and Lyle Lovett, man.
[29:18] Speaker 1: But Lyle Lovett could sing. Yeah, right. I've told you
[29:25] Speaker 1: what my thought was. Jermaine Dupri understood it, though, was
[29:26] Speaker 1: he understood being a child star. He understood growing up
[29:30] Speaker 1: in the industry, right? And so that was always my
[29:33] Speaker 1: take on what his Janet Jackson angle was. But at
[29:36] Speaker 1: the same time, everybody's got it. chance or like who
[29:42] Speaker 1: she might like it might be anybody it won't be
[29:45] Speaker 1: everybody but it might be anybody there's only one way
[29:51] Speaker 1: to find out and normally security is going to stop
[29:55] Speaker 1: it from happening like The Alisa Diggs story about when
[29:59] Speaker 1: he pulled up our little kid and said, Biggie Dad,
[30:01] Speaker 1: what we doing?
[30:02] Speaker 2: What i've not.
[30:03] Speaker 4: Heard that you haven't seen that one no at least
[30:06] Speaker 4: the dink said he was super drunk one night at
[30:09] Speaker 4: a club and he saw little kim and he had
[30:11] Speaker 4: the biggest crush on little kim and look if you
[30:14] Speaker 4: describe how you feel about little kim as a crush
[30:17] Speaker 4: you are a very particular type of person right not
[30:20] Speaker 4: to say that if you are attracted to little kim
[30:22] Speaker 4: that there's anything wrong with you right with you whatever
[30:25] Speaker 4: but if you were like i had.
[30:26] Speaker 1: The biggest crush on little kim you are a certain
[30:29] Speaker 1: kind of dude right so he said he maneuvered around
[30:31] Speaker 1: security somehow pulled up paul and was like biggie dead
[30:35] Speaker 1: what we do.
[30:40] Speaker 2: Wow did it work.
[30:43] Speaker 3: Okay my bad well i don't know man she i
[30:45] Speaker 3: mean she got a different you know what i'm saying
[30:47] Speaker 3: it's a different kind.
[30:48] Speaker 1: Of different i have to say this though.
[30:53] Speaker 3: It's an icebreaker Some, I mean, look, man, get some
[30:56] Speaker 3: women will look, you just never know. I, one person
[31:00] Speaker 3: I think about is Halle Berry, for instance, because camp,
[31:03] Speaker 3: first of all, Cameron talked about trying to spit at
[31:05] Speaker 3: her one time when he was coming up as a rapper.
[31:07] Speaker 3: And it was just like, it felt like she talked
[31:09] Speaker 3: to him, but like, she, you know, she had Lorenz
[31:10] Speaker 3: Tate in the car, but did, so you ever heard
[31:13] Speaker 3: that line, the not from the Nas song, you know,
[31:15] Speaker 3: Halle Berry blew a kiss at the Barbra Streisand concert.
[31:18] Speaker 3: And I'm just like, Halle Berry ain't blow no kiss
[31:21] Speaker 3: at Nas.
[31:21] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Halle Berry is a Hollywood actress.
[31:24] Speaker 2: She's a celebrity.
[31:24] Speaker 3: I'm not thinking, I'm like, Nas is famous to me,
[31:27] Speaker 3: but is he famous to her? But they asked her
[31:30] Speaker 3: and she was.
[31:30] Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, I did blow a kiss at Nas
[31:32] Speaker 2: at the Barbra Streisand concert. I was like, damn, man.
[31:35] Speaker 1: Brother, Megan Good hit on me on a television show
[31:38] Speaker 1: one time. Like, you never know, dog.
[31:41] Speaker 2: You never know. Beyonce was giving me the eyes at church.
[31:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming.
[31:47] Speaker 1: Beyonce was giving me the eyes at church. I'm just
[31:49] Speaker 1: glad I got some video evidence, but I was going
[31:51] Speaker 1: to say about Megan Good, I felt like she gave
[31:54] Speaker 1: me a little rhythm on TV, but now that I
[31:58] Speaker 1: see what she's doing, I don't even really care that much.
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[35:51] Speaker 1: All right, we back with Joel Anderson. Dag, actually, I'm
[35:56] Speaker 1: not going to say, but I was just thinking about saying.
[35:58] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say.
[35:58] Speaker 6: Go ahead.
[35:59] Speaker 1: No.
[35:59] Speaker 2: Okay.
[36:00] Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to say it. All I'm going
[36:02] Speaker 1: to say is it was connected to our previous topic,
[36:04] Speaker 1: and it made me start thinking about what was my
[36:06] Speaker 1: favorite song by KRS-One.
[36:09] Speaker 2: Oh, man.
[36:09] Speaker 1: Come on, dawg.
[36:11] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Come on, bro.
[36:14] Speaker 1: Love's going to get you. It's a jail, boy.
[36:16] Speaker 2: I mean, man.
[36:17] Speaker 1: It's exactly like they don't know.
[36:19] Speaker 2: You got a nose for good music, you know what
[36:21] Speaker 2: I'm saying?
[36:21] Speaker 1: Hey, man. Yo, right fast. I'm going to tell a
[36:23] Speaker 1: great KRS-One story and then get into sports. So you
[36:26] Speaker 1: are familiar with the time that KRS-One ran up on
[36:29] Speaker 1: PM Dawn at, I forget what club it was. I
[36:31] Speaker 1: think it was the Tunnel in New York.
[36:32] Speaker 2: I've heard about this. Yes.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Okay. So this is a legendary story for you youngsters.
[36:36] Speaker 1: Hip hop was a different thing, right? And so KRS-One
[36:40] Speaker 1: was doing a show. I mean, PM Dawn, which was
[36:43] Speaker 1: kind of like Proto Drake in some ways, right? Like
[36:46] Speaker 1: a little singy, rappy.
[36:47] Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what they would be. Yeah, like.
[36:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like alternative rap is kind.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Of where they were.
[36:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It was kind of in between, right? So anyway,
[36:57] Speaker 1: Prince B, the Eternal, did an interview or something. I
[37:00] Speaker 1: can't remember where he said this. But he said if
[37:02] Speaker 1: KRS-One is a teacher, he is a teacher of what?
[37:06] Speaker 1: Which is something that KRS-One took personally. Understandably. PM Dawn
[37:13] Speaker 1: was playing a show at whatever, I think it was
[37:15] Speaker 1: the Tunnel in New York City. Boogie Down Productions storms
[37:20] Speaker 1: the club. I don't know if they bum-brushed the door
[37:23] Speaker 1: or they got in because they're boogie down productions. But anyway,
[37:27] Speaker 1: bum-brushed the spot, ran up on stage, threw PM Dawn off, right?
[37:33] Speaker 1: And so, of course, as this is going on, there
[37:36] Speaker 1: is chaos and people are running out of the club.
[37:38] Speaker 1: There are two details that are fast. That's hilarious to
[37:41] Speaker 1: me because Kid Capri tells the story, right? Detail one.
[37:46] Speaker 1: It was not a PM Dawn show. PM Dawn was
[37:48] Speaker 1: opening for Super Cat. And so Super Cat had to
[37:52] Speaker 1: do the show for an empty club because KRS-One cleared
[37:56] Speaker 1: it out. Number two, which is by far the best
[37:59] Speaker 1: part of this story. After running PM Dawn offstage, BDP
[38:05] Speaker 1: also took over the DJ booth. And KRS-One stood on
[38:09] Speaker 1: stage as one of his partners put South Bronx on
[38:13] Speaker 1: the turnstile. And just, I cannot imagine how good it
[38:21] Speaker 1: felt to toss somebody off stage while your theme song
[38:27] Speaker 1: plays after you have vanquished your foe.
[38:30] Speaker 3: They have taken, I mean, they took over the tunnel, man.
[38:32] Speaker 3: That's beautiful, man. I bet he think about that all
[38:35] Speaker 3: the time, too. He was like, man, you remember when
[38:36] Speaker 3: we ran up on them dudes at the tunnel, dog?
[38:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[38:38] Speaker 2: They probably don't even remember their name. He's like, who
[38:40] Speaker 2: is that again?
[38:41] Speaker 1: Have you, I don't know if you remember the book,
[38:43] Speaker 1: The Ego Trip Book of Rap Lists. rest in peace
[38:47] Speaker 1: to Sasha Jenkins by the way but if you have
[38:48] Speaker 1: never seen it check it out this book came out
[38:50] Speaker 1: about 25-30 years ago but it's just a collection of
[38:52] Speaker 1: fascinating lists and one of them is the 10 most
[38:54] Speaker 1: arrogant things that KRS-One has ever said and the best
[39:01] Speaker 1: one he said that like hip hop was like his
[39:05] Speaker 1: pet it was like a little dog that just followed
[39:06] Speaker 1: him around right but the best one is he said
[39:11] Speaker 1: about rap that you know In the sky and the
[39:15] Speaker 1: solar system, there are many stars. I am the sun.
[39:20] Speaker 2: I love that.
[39:26] Speaker 3: That's like the old Walt Harris line. People don't remember
[39:28] Speaker 3: Walt Harris who played cornerback. at Mississippi State. And it
[39:31] Speaker 3: was just like, water covers like three-fourths of the Earth's surface.
[39:36] Speaker 2: I cover the rest of it. I cover the rest.
[39:38] Speaker 1: That's the first time I heard you say that. Well,
[39:40] Speaker 1: the first time I heard it said about was Deion Sanders.
[39:42] Speaker 1: He just decided to appropriate it for himself. But no,
[39:46] Speaker 1: I am the sun. And KRS-One... I still say he's
[39:50] Speaker 1: the greatest rapper of all time. And my argument is
[39:53] Speaker 1: very simple. Get rid of the beats. Get rid of
[39:56] Speaker 1: everything else. No microphone even. Stand two dudes up in
[40:00] Speaker 1: front of each other and say rap.
[40:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[40:03] Speaker 1: He's winning every single time.
[40:07] Speaker 2: You think he would do that against Black Thought?
[40:09] Speaker 1: He's winning every time. single time he has the most
[40:14] Speaker 1: commanding presence that anybody i'm saying there's nothing else there
[40:19] Speaker 1: right you don't even have a microphone you just got
[40:22] Speaker 1: that booming ass voice.
[40:24] Speaker 3: Man that's it yeah i mean it goes you just
[40:27] Speaker 3: also just the energy he gives the radiates off of
[40:29] Speaker 3: him it's like it's infectious yeah like people it's hard
[40:32] Speaker 3: to because mcs just aren't quite like that anymore And
[40:36] Speaker 3: like you could just see him walk into a room
[40:38] Speaker 3: and the energy shift.
[40:39] Speaker 1: So you can dress him up in so much other stuff. Right.
[40:43] Speaker 1: But no, Chris, Chris, Chris, that guy, the music is
[40:47] Speaker 1: hard to play and make somebody younger understand what the
[40:51] Speaker 1: big deal is.
[40:52] Speaker 4: Right.
[40:52] Speaker 1: Like I think that's the case with a lot of
[40:54] Speaker 1: 80s stuff, even though that stuff really knocks. But it's
[40:55] Speaker 1: like it's it's the paradigm is so different. I think
[40:58] Speaker 1: it's different. It's difficult to explain to people. what exactly
[41:02] Speaker 1: it is that they got in front of them but
[41:05] Speaker 1: yeah you stay you you go see that dude all
[41:07] Speaker 1: by himself and i guarantee you you will uh you
[41:10] Speaker 1: will get it.
[41:11] Speaker 3: I would i would i would go watch him lecture
[41:13] Speaker 3: i bet i know he does lectures too because he
[41:15] Speaker 3: likes us that stuff so like i bet he's an
[41:17] Speaker 3: interesting it's a guy that i really i want to
[41:19] Speaker 3: man i wish i ran like a tv network or
[41:21] Speaker 3: something so i could just interview all my old favorite
[41:24] Speaker 3: black celebrities man so i could just get them talking
[41:26] Speaker 3: about stuff.
[41:27] Speaker 1: Anyway Hey, man, get you a podcast. They got to
[41:29] Speaker 1: get you a different kind of podcast. You know what
[41:31] Speaker 1: you need to be? You need to be an athlete.
[41:33] Speaker 1: They get them all.
[41:34] Speaker 2: Oh, they can have anybody on, man.
[41:36] Speaker 1: It's not just they can get them all. It's they
[41:37] Speaker 1: can get them on and then get people to listen
[41:39] Speaker 1: because I can get them on at a point, but
[41:42] Speaker 1: I'm not, I can't get as much of my base
[41:44] Speaker 1: to come over there, right? Like, they can do it
[41:46] Speaker 1: in a different way.
[41:47] Speaker 3: I always find that to be really interesting because sometimes
[41:49] Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't, I'm trying to think of like,
[41:53] Speaker 3: I'm making a podcast for me when I say that,
[41:56] Speaker 3: but like, Who do you want to hear that you
[41:58] Speaker 3: want to talk to so bad that you would stop
[42:01] Speaker 3: what you're doing and go listen to it?
[42:02] Speaker 1: Well, part of it also... Oh, wow. That's a good question.
[42:06] Speaker 1: I think part of it in terms of my production
[42:08] Speaker 1: on it is that you have to be... I don't
[42:11] Speaker 1: even know if it worked truly for a Marc Maron
[42:13] Speaker 1: or something like that, where your audience doesn't care who
[42:16] Speaker 1: you're interviewing. They'll just go because you're there. That's not
[42:21] Speaker 1: really how it works. I've told people when we started
[42:22] Speaker 1: to change the way we did interviews, it was like, oh,
[42:25] Speaker 1: Joel does better numbers than Big Krip. Like, you know
[42:28] Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, I told Joel that, too,
[42:30] Speaker 1: because I knew he would love that.
[42:32] Speaker 2: You know, I don't take it because I'm a big
[42:34] Speaker 2: fan of Big Krip, man.
[42:36] Speaker 1: That's the homie. That's the homie. But, you know, I
[42:38] Speaker 1: know you well enough to know what worked for you.
[42:41] Speaker 1: Speaking of working, have you seen this story? It has
[42:44] Speaker 1: nothing to do with working. That was a horrible segue.
[42:48] Speaker 1: The boy, Kirk Cousins, apparently on the quarterback show, talks
[42:51] Speaker 1: about how he felt misled by the Falcon. because the
[42:54] Speaker 1: Falcons went and drafted Michael Penix after they signed him,
[42:58] Speaker 1: and that he felt like if he knew that they
[42:59] Speaker 1: was going to draft Michael Penix, he would have stayed
[43:01] Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Now, Joel, I feel like some of the
[43:04] Speaker 1: poor logic of that is if he had stayed in Minnesota,
[43:06] Speaker 1: they would have drafted... J.J. McCarthy. I don't think this
[43:11] Speaker 1: movie goes any differently for him necessarily, but this was
[43:14] Speaker 1: my thought, and this is what I want to know
[43:16] Speaker 1: if you had the same thought as me. Because I
[43:18] Speaker 1: get on one hand why he would feel that way,
[43:21] Speaker 1: but he had what I call the Drew Brees option.
[43:26] Speaker 1: How about you win your job? How about you play
[43:29] Speaker 1: so well that they can't put the other guy in
[43:32] Speaker 1: the game?
[43:33] Speaker 3: I hear you on that, but you know how hard
[43:35] Speaker 3: that is in the NFL, man. I mean, you know,
[43:39] Speaker 3: if it's kind of like your argument that like if
[43:41] Speaker 3: they want to fire you, they can find a reason
[43:44] Speaker 3: to fire you. They can find a reason to play
[43:46] Speaker 3: that rookie quarterback, especially if you Kirk Cousins.
[43:50] Speaker 4: Right.
[43:50] Speaker 1: But I would but I would contend on the other end.
[43:52] Speaker 1: They did not put their rookie quarterback in there until
[43:55] Speaker 1: they really had no other choice. Right. Right. Like they
[43:58] Speaker 1: gave it time. If he, you know, granted, he was
[44:00] Speaker 1: coming off the Achilles, but. If he played well enough
[44:04] Speaker 1: to keep his job, he would have kept his job
[44:07] Speaker 1: at the very least in that year. And number two,
[44:09] Speaker 1: you're keeping your bread. Yeah.
[44:11] Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the money is for.
[44:13] Speaker 1: Right. That is what the money is for. I said
[44:15] Speaker 1: this from the very beginning when they drafted him. I
[44:19] Speaker 1: don't know how good Michael Penix is going to be. Okay.
[44:24] Speaker 1: But let's say you thought that he was Patrick Mahomes.
[44:28] Speaker 1: You know, Patrick Mahomes went with the number 10 pick
[44:29] Speaker 1: in the draft, right? Like we're in that zone, right?
[44:31] Speaker 1: Let's just say you thought he was him. I'm not
[44:33] Speaker 1: saying he's him, but let's say you were super wild
[44:36] Speaker 1: about him or in some fashion as the GM of
[44:39] Speaker 1: the Falcons. You do not pass on. I see our
[44:42] Speaker 1: quarterback of the future because we got some Kirk in
[44:44] Speaker 1: the refrigerator at home.
[44:46] Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing.
[44:48] Speaker 3: Like if he's as good, if you're going to take
[44:51] Speaker 3: a quarterback that early in the first round, like you
[44:54] Speaker 3: have got to think he's going to be good. And,
[44:56] Speaker 3: Nothing should get in the way of him eventually getting
[44:59] Speaker 3: on the field. Again, unless you've got, you know.
[45:03] Speaker 1: Go out there and ball! Like, you have the option
[45:09] Speaker 1: of going out there and playing well.
[45:12] Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins has been in enough quarterback competitions and played
[45:15] Speaker 3: enough ball to know that that ain't, you know.
[45:17] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. I think maybe this is
[45:20] Speaker 1: one of those that it's informed by his own experience.
[45:23] Speaker 1: But at the same time, he got the job over
[45:25] Speaker 1: Robert Griffin, right? And by the way, that second time
[45:28] Speaker 1: he got it was not the first time he really
[45:30] Speaker 1: got the chance. He was given chances and it didn't
[45:32] Speaker 1: work or whatever. I'm just saying. You can win the
[45:35] Speaker 1: job by playing well, and he did not play well.
[45:40] Speaker 3: And it's interesting that you say it this way, because
[45:43] Speaker 3: in spite of the things that I've said, I remember
[45:45] Speaker 3: when Michael Penix got drafted, and I was mad. I
[45:47] Speaker 3: was mad for Michael Penix. I'm like, boy, already 34
[45:51] Speaker 3: years old. Why should he have to wait? I just
[45:53] Speaker 3: didn't want him to have to sit any more time.
[45:56] Speaker 3: I thought that's when you're like, okay, that's why I
[45:58] Speaker 3: hate the draft, because That's not fair to a young
[46:01] Speaker 3: guy's career.
[46:02] Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no. I disagreed. I thought that was
[46:05] Speaker 1: perfect for him. He clearly needed the time because he
[46:07] Speaker 1: wasn't really ready to play when they got him out there.
[46:10] Speaker 1: He may be 100 years old, but he was not
[46:13] Speaker 1: ready to play.
[46:15] Speaker 2: I just was like, look, man, my father was ready
[46:18] Speaker 2: for it. He's pension age.
[46:20] Speaker 1: Look here. I think better for him is to make
[46:23] Speaker 1: money without getting hit.
[46:26] Speaker 3: The way that I think about it, and maybe this
[46:27] Speaker 3: is just like, you only get so many falls in
[46:29] Speaker 3: your life. as a football player like you like you
[46:31] Speaker 3: if you watch a fall go by that's a football
[46:34] Speaker 3: year in your life you will never get back like
[46:36] Speaker 3: and sitting on the bench is sort of like a
[46:38] Speaker 3: form of death for an athlete man you know i mean.
[46:40] Speaker 2: If you're not gonna play you know like you only.
[46:42] Speaker 3: Get so many years and so i was like well
[46:43] Speaker 3: man he's gonna have to sit out this year of
[46:45] Speaker 3: kirk cousins probably and then you know maybe the next
[46:48] Speaker 3: year of kirk cousins really good because i gotta pay
[46:49] Speaker 3: him all this money but the thing that i did
[46:51] Speaker 3: not think about it through all this i'm like oh
[46:53] Speaker 3: but that's kirk cousins.
[46:54] Speaker 2: Though You know what I'm saying? That's Kirk Cousins. I
[46:57] Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay. He's going to play eventually. My bad.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't– I've not seen any argument that says
[47:04] Speaker 1: that playing early is better for your long-term health of
[47:07] Speaker 1: your career. To be fair, I don't see– I don't
[47:09] Speaker 1: know how many arguments there are that not playing early
[47:11] Speaker 1: is good for your long-term career either. Like, I think
[47:13] Speaker 1: it's a trick bag, but I think that so much
[47:16] Speaker 1: goes into being an NFL quarterback that having one year
[47:20] Speaker 1: where all you have to do is study– and watch
[47:25] Speaker 1: what's going on and learn what all the rhythms and
[47:27] Speaker 1: machinations are of being a quarterback, I think that's probably good. Like,
[47:32] Speaker 1: I think he was better off not playing than he
[47:35] Speaker 1: was playing.
[47:36] Speaker 3: I mean, for everybody but Kirk Cousins, it seemed it
[47:39] Speaker 3: worked out. Like, that was an ideal situation.
[47:43] Speaker 1: I got a question for you.
[47:44] Speaker 4: Hmm.
[47:44] Speaker 1: You think Kirk Cousins is going to be a good
[47:46] Speaker 1: enough star for anybody this year? That, like, if he
[47:48] Speaker 1: had gone somewhere else playing like he played, because after
[47:50] Speaker 1: the middle of the year, he didn't have it. It
[47:52] Speaker 1: started off early, and my brothers and sisters in Atlanta
[47:56] Speaker 1: were embarrassing themselves. Remember that Kirk O'Chains and all of
[47:59] Speaker 1: that stuff? Like, y'all were making fun of him. fools
[48:03] Speaker 1: of yourselves making fools of yourselves and the rest of
[48:06] Speaker 1: us it was terrible right but.
[48:08] Speaker 6: Um my culture is not a costume you know and
[48:12] Speaker 6: it was they was putting it all for him I
[48:14] Speaker 6: was just like you gotta be kidding me but anyway
[48:17] Speaker 6: that man is what 36 years old or something like
[48:19] Speaker 6: that coming off an Achilles tear come on man it's
[48:22] Speaker 6: a wrap for that well I just kind of like
[48:24] Speaker 6: I mean again who am I to tell somebody to
[48:26] Speaker 6: retire right like I mean again as I've said you
[48:29] Speaker 6: only get so many falls you only get so many
[48:31] Speaker 6: Sundays but Like, what else? You know, if you just
[48:35] Speaker 6: like being in the locker room, bro, which I totally understand,
[48:38] Speaker 6: he can do that. But if he's, like, if his
[48:39] Speaker 6: hope is to play, like, he may not even want
[48:42] Speaker 6: that because I would feel like he would get hurt.
[48:45] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[48:45] Speaker 3: Like, I feel like he no longer can get away
[48:48] Speaker 3: from the rush. He's not good. I mean, like, the
[48:52] Speaker 3: only thing left for him is to get carried off
[48:54] Speaker 3: the field.
[48:56] Speaker 1: Right. Look, Alex Smith kept playing.
[48:58] Speaker 2: Man, I just.
[48:59] Speaker 1: Hashtag never forget.
[49:01] Speaker 3: I mean, man, look, man, I mean, the thing is,
[49:04] Speaker 3: you know, you learn pretty quickly when you move up
[49:06] Speaker 3: levels in football. It's like, man, some people would die
[49:08] Speaker 3: for this shit, man.
[49:09] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[49:09] Speaker 3: Some people really, they really need this or they really
[49:12] Speaker 3: want this in a way that is beyond sort of
[49:14] Speaker 3: like my, you know, my ability to think about it.
[49:17] Speaker 3: And so, like, some when you get to that level
[49:19] Speaker 3: and i mean kirk cousins man i mean you know
[49:21] Speaker 3: he's had his success so i totally get like why
[49:23] Speaker 3: he would want to keep doing it but i also
[49:25] Speaker 3: would just be like hey man you made a lot
[49:26] Speaker 3: of money bro why don't you just like you know
[49:28] Speaker 3: be an assistant coach or something.
[49:30] Speaker 1: Yeah man before we get out of here because i
[49:32] Speaker 1: don't want you to feel like i was silencing you
[49:34] Speaker 1: uh you and i were talking a bit yesterday and
[49:36] Speaker 1: you mentioned the fact that uh your people are from
[49:39] Speaker 1: down there around Kerrville, Texas, where the flooding has taken place.
[49:42] Speaker 1: So what's it been for you?
[49:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so actually, yeah, my family, like literally, like
[49:48] Speaker 3: we were right in Kerrville. I would go there, you know,
[49:51] Speaker 3: several times a year growing up until I was, you know,
[49:55] Speaker 3: 12 when my great-grandmother passed.
[49:56] Speaker 2: She was sort of the matriarch.
[49:58] Speaker 3: And so, man, yeah, it's... So I have vague memories
[50:02] Speaker 3: of the Guadalupe flood in Kerrville in 87.
[50:04] Speaker 2: Like I have like just.
[50:08] Speaker 3: You know, few shots in my head of like us
[50:11] Speaker 3: sitting around the TV and watching weather reports at that time.
[50:15] Speaker 3: But yeah, man, first of all, like obviously my heart
[50:18] Speaker 3: goes out to all those folks. It's devastating to see that.
[50:22] Speaker 3: And it's just like, cause man, it's just such an,
[50:26] Speaker 3: it's just like from a land that Tom forgot.
[50:28] Speaker 2: Like it's just the hill country.
[50:30] Speaker 3: If you've not been to that part of Texas, it's
[50:32] Speaker 3: kind of hard to believe that it's in Texas, but
[50:35] Speaker 3: it is also very of Texas and, And like, I mean,
[50:38] Speaker 3: it's very like, I mean, it's a politically confusing area. Like,
[50:41] Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like, I mean, like right now,
[50:43] Speaker 3: you know, Texas is sort of the grip of like
[50:45] Speaker 3: Republican mania. But for many times, it was a very
[50:47] Speaker 3: sort of liberal and progressive place. My father, who was
[50:52] Speaker 3: born and went to school in Hot Springs, Arkansas, when
[50:55] Speaker 3: he would go visit his grandmother in Kerrville, Texas, the
[50:58] Speaker 3: coaches at Kerrville Tyvee High School, they were integrated. Kerrville
[51:01] Speaker 3: Tyvee was integrated at that time. And they asked him, hey, man,
[51:03] Speaker 3: you want to come on down here and transfer and
[51:04] Speaker 3: play for the Tyvee? And he was like, I'm going
[51:06] Speaker 3: to go back. You know, he knew his people back
[51:08] Speaker 3: up in Arkansas. So it's just a very unique, very
[51:11] Speaker 3: different place. My great grandmother was friends with the iconic jeweler,
[51:16] Speaker 3: James Avery. Like my grandmother was just a black woman
[51:19] Speaker 3: who owned a bar on the black.
[51:21] Speaker 2: Side of town. You know what I mean?
[51:23] Speaker 3: But like it's just like in that way that like
[51:26] Speaker 3: it was a very small, very close knit. My beloved cousin, man,
[51:30] Speaker 3: I'm going to get emotional here. my cousin, Michelle, man,
[51:32] Speaker 3: who helped me run through those streets in Doyle, uh,
[51:35] Speaker 3: the Doyle side of town in Kerrville and helped me
[51:38] Speaker 3: get Kool-Aid cool cups and all that good stuff, man.
[51:40] Speaker 3: Like she, um, I think what people would probably say
[51:44] Speaker 3: today is that like she had down syndrome, but like
[51:47] Speaker 3: back then it was just like, Oh, Michelle is slow. Anyway,
[51:51] Speaker 3: she passed a couple of years ago and she just
[51:53] Speaker 3: kind of like lived off the generosity of the people
[51:56] Speaker 3: at her church, man. Like she never, they took care
[51:58] Speaker 3: of her before she passed. And, um, you know, it's just, yeah, man,
[52:03] Speaker 3: I just like, so I, that part of small town
[52:05] Speaker 3: America sort of, it makes me emotional to see that
[52:08] Speaker 3: that area got washed away. And I really hope that
[52:09] Speaker 3: it gets built back up because it's just not a
[52:11] Speaker 3: lot of places like that anymore. And I wish, I
[52:14] Speaker 3: wish it was something that I could give my kids
[52:15] Speaker 3: that I could give them the experience I had in Kerrville.
[52:18] Speaker 2: And, you know, with any luck, maybe someday I can.
[52:21] Speaker 1: And two things that like strike me with this story
[52:23] Speaker 1: is one, just kind of the, and maybe it's because
[52:26] Speaker 1: it's so easily or readily associated with like biblical stuff,
[52:30] Speaker 1: but like, The idea of flooding. Yeah, man. Right. Like
[52:34] Speaker 1: just watching like my brother and sister lived in Iowa.
[52:37] Speaker 1: You remember about 30 years ago when the Mississippi River flooded?
[52:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[52:40] Speaker 1: Like I remember my sister's car got covered, like checked
[52:44] Speaker 1: out underwater. Right. And it like it was almost like
[52:47] Speaker 1: a gradual kind of process. They just rained and rained
[52:50] Speaker 1: and rained. And then one day you look out there
[52:52] Speaker 1: and your car is underwater. But there's just something like great.
[52:54] Speaker 1: Like the power of water is one thing. Water that
[52:56] Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be there. Is another right. The thing
[53:01] Speaker 1: that hit me when you said hopefully they build it
[53:03] Speaker 1: back up and that hopefully is important because there is
[53:07] Speaker 1: no promise of guarantee when something goes away that people
[53:10] Speaker 1: find it economically viable to bring it back. Like especially
[53:14] Speaker 1: in an area that small where you don't have like
[53:16] Speaker 1: the advantages of urbanization to guarantee that it proves to
[53:20] Speaker 1: be profitable for people.
[53:21] Speaker 3: Well, look, bro, I mean, already in Texas, insurance companies
[53:24] Speaker 3: are sort of pulling back on these homes. They're saying,
[53:26] Speaker 3: that's a flood risk, this is a storm risk, and
[53:28] Speaker 3: they're not either meeting their obligations or they stopped issuing
[53:33] Speaker 3: policies for these homes in the first place. I mean,
[53:36] Speaker 3: are we sure that people are going to issue policies
[53:38] Speaker 3: for them homes in Kerrville again?
[53:39] Speaker 2: You know, the way that these, you know, climate... these
[53:42] Speaker 2: climate events keep happening.
[53:43] Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't, I don't think it's a given
[53:46] Speaker 3: at all that this ain't new Orleans.
[53:48] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[53:49] Speaker 1: Like that wasn't a given either. Right.
[53:51] Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[53:52] Speaker 3: And so there's no reason that we have to have
[53:54] Speaker 3: people living in Kerrville, but I hope that we can.
[53:58] Speaker 3: But it, yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just shocking.
[54:01] Speaker 3: I mean, I saw the videos of the water rising
[54:03] Speaker 3: like that, man. And I was just like, and it's
[54:05] Speaker 3: just like, bro, bro, like over a hundred people have died.
[54:08] Speaker 3: Like that is a shocking number of people. to die
[54:11] Speaker 3: in one event, man.
[54:13] Speaker 1: It took that, that, that camp is the one that,
[54:16] Speaker 1: you know, that, that drives you like really home. And
[54:19] Speaker 1: then the idea that like people floating on the river,
[54:21] Speaker 1: it was supposed to be like a system basically that
[54:23] Speaker 1: you kind of like shout it out down river that
[54:26] Speaker 1: the water's coming, which seems to me, it may have
[54:28] Speaker 1: worked a whole way, but that sure sounds primitive.
[54:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[54:32] Speaker 1: It's insufficient. Yeah. From where I am. And so it
[54:35] Speaker 1: was just like, man, this is a, it, It feels
[54:38] Speaker 1: and I can't tell if it's just because we have
[54:40] Speaker 1: so much more access to more news, but it just
[54:41] Speaker 1: feels like a natural disaster is around the corner at
[54:45] Speaker 1: every turn. And now, look, man. Texas has decided to
[54:51] Speaker 1: hitch its wagon to this notion of individualism and you're
[54:55] Speaker 1: on your own. That state government ain't going to help you.
[54:58] Speaker 1: And this federal government probably ain't going to help you either.
[55:01] Speaker 1: And that's the next level of tragedy. I don't care.
[55:04] Speaker 1: I don't really care who you vote for. That is
[55:06] Speaker 1: a clear ethos that is reflected by the laws in
[55:09] Speaker 1: that place in particular. And the laws that come up,
[55:11] Speaker 1: you know, and the people who make decisions above them,
[55:13] Speaker 1: that's just the bottom line. They are probably on their own. Right.
[55:18] Speaker 3: Well, so, you know, I had to make this decision
[55:20] Speaker 3: a few months ago about like if I was going
[55:22] Speaker 3: to move to Texas, if I was going to move
[55:23] Speaker 3: to Maryland. Texas is great if you don't need nothing.
[55:26] Speaker 3: If you don't need no services, if you don't care
[55:28] Speaker 3: about public services, if you don't need schools, if you
[55:30] Speaker 3: don't need public transit and all that stuff, Texas will
[55:34] Speaker 3: probably be fine for you. But God forbid you need something, man.
[55:37] Speaker 3: Like if you lose your job and you want your
[55:40] Speaker 3: child to have health insurance.
[55:42] Speaker 1: That stupid ass power grid. That's what keep me away.
[55:45] Speaker 3: Bro, man, look, man, my mama and my grandmother who
[55:48] Speaker 3: was alive at the time was sitting in their house freezing.
[55:51] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I'm like, Why would I
[55:53] Speaker 3: want to move my family? Why would I want to
[55:54] Speaker 3: put my new family through that? You know what I mean?
[55:57] Speaker 1: Shout out to El Paso, who was like, nah.
[56:00] Speaker 2: We good over here.
[56:02] Speaker 1: We'll just holler at these people right next door. They
[56:05] Speaker 1: were like, we would rather have some of this Mexican insurance,
[56:08] Speaker 1: Mexican electricity. La Luz, El Poner, La Entresidad.
[56:14] Speaker 2: Oh, boy, I see your lessons coming along. Okay.
[56:17] Speaker 1: Hey, look, man.
[56:19] Speaker 4: La.
[56:22] Speaker 1: El poder en Mexico es más seguro que la electricidad
[56:28] Speaker 1: en Texas en particular. For those of you who don't know,
[56:33] Speaker 1: America has three power grids. The east part of the country,
[56:40] Speaker 1: the west part of the country, and Texas. Texas is
[56:45] Speaker 1: the people that have their own generator. Except when you
[56:48] Speaker 1: got your own generator... It's different because there's also electricity
[56:52] Speaker 1: on top of it. Texas just got that generator.
[56:58] Speaker 3: I mean, just think about when you move in someplace.
[57:01] Speaker 3: Do you want to have to have a generator?
[57:02] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[57:04] Speaker 3: I was like, do I want to have to buy
[57:05] Speaker 3: a generator? Is this something that I actually want to
[57:07] Speaker 3: have a part of my life?
[57:09] Speaker 2: No, not really, bro.
[57:11] Speaker 1: I associate having your own generator. That's up there with
[57:14] Speaker 1: the deep freeze in the back to keep your deer alive.
[57:16] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? That is a country move.
[57:19] Speaker 1: I say that with no judgment. But I got my
[57:22] Speaker 1: own generator. You also have a satellite dish because the
[57:26] Speaker 1: cable bad don't come out to where.
[57:31] Speaker 2: You stay.
[57:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
[57:31] Speaker 3: I mean, that's some living that everybody's not really cut
[57:34] Speaker 3: out for. And I know some people that have moved
[57:36] Speaker 3: down there and moved down there from California. And again,
[57:38] Speaker 3: I don't want to hate on Texas. I love Texas.
[57:40] Speaker 2: I'm a, you know, I mean... I want it to
[57:43] Speaker 2: be better.
[57:45] Speaker 3: But people that go down there, man, and they just like, bro,
[57:48] Speaker 3: would it, you know, it's God forbid you lose your
[57:51] Speaker 3: job or something like that. It ain't quite the same thing. So, yeah, man,
[57:55] Speaker 3: I hope that they build it back. And I know
[57:59] Speaker 3: that they've, you know, the state officials and everybody else
[58:01] Speaker 3: have promised to do what they can. But like, let's
[58:02] Speaker 3: just check back on that in a year.
[58:04] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[58:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, another point we'll get you back, talk a
[58:07] Speaker 1: bit about the Houston Rockets. They got Kevin Durant. You know,
[58:12] Speaker 1: you ready. You already there.
[58:14] Speaker 3: Man, my Rockets, man, you know, I've been really fortunate
[58:18] Speaker 3: in my life, man. When I grew up, Moses Malone
[58:21] Speaker 3: was on the team. You know, the Rockets always just
[58:24] Speaker 3: keep a good player. You know what I mean? They've
[58:26] Speaker 3: never been really bad in my life. I appreciate them
[58:30] Speaker 3: not being bad.
[58:31] Speaker 1: They was just bad a little while ago.
[58:33] Speaker 2: Just for a little bit. But it was in service
[58:36] Speaker 2: of something. And now look at us.
[58:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, but now the biggest James Harden apologist in the
[58:41] Speaker 1: world sits before us.
[58:43] Speaker 3: I mean, are you going to take this back when
[58:47] Speaker 3: he goes to the Hall of Fame? Are you going
[58:49] Speaker 3: to like, you know what I mean?
[58:50] Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer. He's going to the Hall
[58:51] Speaker 1: of Fame.
[58:52] Speaker 2: All right.
[58:53] Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't understand.
[58:54] Speaker 2: Like people in the.
[58:56] Speaker 1: Is Jimmy Butler going to the Hall of Fame?
[58:59] Speaker 2: I think it's plausible. It's plausible.
[59:02] Speaker 4: Joel, why are you saying, the answer is an unequivocal yes.
[59:09] Speaker 2: The thing is, is it's crazy.
[59:10] Speaker 1: Because, again, like– Because you're such a hater that you
[59:12] Speaker 1: can't conceive of the truth.
[59:13] Speaker 3: The postseason matters so much, but these are not equivalent players, though.
[59:17] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[59:18] Speaker 1: I didn't say– well, first of all, I didn't say
[59:19] Speaker 1: if they were the same player. I said if he
[59:21] Speaker 1: was going to the Hall of Fame. I know this one.
[59:24] Speaker 1: Tell me which one of them can get you to
[59:25] Speaker 1: the finals. I tell you which one can't.
[59:28] Speaker 3: I mean, look, if that team, the Rockets from 2018
[59:32] Speaker 3: had played in the.
[59:34] Speaker 2: East, they would have been in the finals too.
[59:36] Speaker 1: No, because Jimmy Butler, I mean, Jimmy, not Jimmy Butler,
[59:38] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. James Harden would have found some way to
[59:40] Speaker 1: choke out the last game of the season as he
[59:42] Speaker 1: has done year after year after year after year after year,
[59:47] Speaker 1: including the year you described.
[59:48] Speaker 3: Any of the Rockets teams that Jimmy Butler took to
[59:50] Speaker 3: the finals, any of them Harden teams.
[59:52] Speaker 1: Hold on, so you're telling me that the James Harden
[59:54] Speaker 1: teams would have gone to the East and took out LeBron? No, well,
[59:57] Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's because that's what you're saying.
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: You're saying that in 2018, if we put them in
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: the East, they win the East. So you're saying that
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: James Harden would have taken out LeBron.
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: I do think the 2018 Rockets would have beat the
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: Cavs in the finals.
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: If they had made it, I think they would have
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: beat them.
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: So I guess I am saying that. But I'm definitely.
[1:00:15] Speaker 3: Saying that if those 2018 Rockets had played in the
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: 2020 bubble finals, I definitely think they would have rocked
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler in the heat then, too.
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: So which game would James Harden have had the 10 turnovers?
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: It wouldn't have mattered because we had CP3, you know
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Dishing it out bad.
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: No, because James Harden got him out of there.
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: I mean, I mean. Remember that?
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: Remember that? Yeah, man.
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: I mean, he liked to play the way he wanted
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: to play. I mean, I'm not saying he's a perfect guy.
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: But what's, I mean, people should have some appreciation of
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: like the flawed great player. And I have an appreciation
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: for it. And again, that dude played hard for my team, man.
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: Like, I respect that. He played hard for the Rockets.
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: He played a lot of games and took on. until
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: he didn't he took he took on the burden of
[1:00:58] Speaker 3: being a superstar every night and i think people should and.
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: Then wilted under it with 10 turnovers against the war
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: just gives the story 27 27 missed three pointers in
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: 2018 you remember they missed 27 three pointers.
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: In a row i i'm familiar i'm familiar with this.
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if you was watching that game it
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: don't sound like you watched that game.
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: I i saw it i saw it but uh you
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: look again i don't look again I appreciate what he
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: did for my franchise.
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: I appreciate him coming hard.
[1:01:25] Speaker 3: And I, and in that way, I'm kind of like,
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: I'm excited for KD to get to, to sort of
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: like rebuild his name or whatever, because for whatever reason,
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: Golden State friends didn't appreciate him properly. And he doesn't
[1:01:36] Speaker 3: get credit for being a two-time finals MVP. Well, come
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: on down here to Houston and we're going to do
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: something now. You know what I'm saying? Like we can,
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: we can rebuild that resume. And also just on the
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: low about the KD thing, people don't give him enough
[1:01:47] Speaker 3: respect for the 2021 Olympics thing.
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: Like, That shit do more for his resume than it
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: actually has.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: Well, I definitely feel confident that you will give him
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: the respect because if you'll give that much respect to
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: Jim Horton, you will definitely... I ride with the hometown.
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: I ride with the hometown. I understand why you can't because.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: You didn't live in the hometown. You don't even play
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: for the hometown no more and you still be out
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: here trying to defend him.
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: I mean, look, Warren Moon, Lorenzo White. I mean, if
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: you play for him, Vernon Maxwell, I think of Vernon Maxwell.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: Did you just compare James Horton to Warren Moon?
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: I mean, bro, I.
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: I mean, the thing about War Moon that people would
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: say is that, like, people would make the argument in
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: the playoffs for War Moon that they probably would.
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: Make for James Harden. Did you just compare real live
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: black history to Jim Harden?
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: I see it thinking you're just being disrespectful to that
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: term of the Rockets. I mean, Jim is going to
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: be a top two Rocket? Top two, top three?
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: He is number three.
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: So you got him behind, obviously, Dream and.
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: Two-time MVP, Moses Malone. Moses Malone, okay. Who went to
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: the NBA Finals.
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I mean, it's just kind of weird
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: because I'm thinking Moses, Bullets, Sixers, whatever, you know, whatever.
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: Two-time MVP with the Rockets.
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: Okay, I give you that. Okay, number three is fine.
[1:03:05] Speaker 3: I mean, well, that doesn't get you on the Mount Rushmore, though,
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: in all fairness.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: So you're right. But I mean, I think to me,
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: if you're a Houstonian... Joe, how many people are.
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: On Mount Rushmore?
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: Four?
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: Four, right?
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: Yes.
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: When you asked it to me, I was just like,
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: hold on.
[1:03:22] Speaker 4: Once you came out there, I'm like, damn, what about Rushmore?
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: They show Joe.
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, no, right.
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad.
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because you got, it's Dream, it's Warm Moon,
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: is it Nolan Ryan?
[1:03:34] Speaker 1: I don't think Nolan Ryan should make it on there. Damn.
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: I mean, he played for the Astros for like those
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: nine years. He's He's a local legend, but not to me.
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: I don't think of him as a local professional. Yeah,
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: I don't think of him as a local professional sports legend.
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: Okay. Man, who makes those? Is it like Jeff Bagwell?
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: It's probably going to be Altuve.
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: I think Biggio and Bagwell have a better case than
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan.
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:04:04] Speaker 7: Altuve probably is going to supplant both of them. Now,
[1:04:07] Speaker 7: I mean, he's got World Series. Yeah, because Houston don't
[1:04:10] Speaker 7: care about that one thing. Altuve is like Houston's Barry Bonds.
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: Like, so?
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: I mean.
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: So?
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: And I'm like that, too. You know what I'm saying?
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: They ain't giving a trophy back.
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: And? Yeah, right.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, that is Joel Anderson. Check him out
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: at Durango. Check him out on the Press Box podcast.
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: And if you listen close enough, don't you worry. He
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: hating on somebody somewhere.
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: That's how I go. But appreciate you having me back on, bro.
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: I'm ready.
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: I'm ready for the next time.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Yes, brother. Yes, brother. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: much for joining us here on The Right Time. We
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: do this here three times a week. Ryan Brumley handing
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: things behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Remember, follow The
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[1:04:59] Speaker 1: five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: to believe you are a hater. We'll talk to you
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.

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