# Corey Erdman on Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao rematch, USA-Canada's complicated relationship | 02.27

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 27 Feb 2026, 1 h 05 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by Corey Erdman, Together they delve into the world of boxing, discussing the upcoming fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, the implications of age on performance, and the financial motivations behind fighters' comebacks. They explore the current state of boxing, the cultural impact of celebrity fights, and the evolution of drug culture in sports. The discussion also touches on hockey's national identity and the intersection of sports and politics, after the USA hockey team took down Canada in the Winter Olympics. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater, and it is Morning Jones Friday with my
[0:25] Speaker 1: good friend Corey Urban. Corey, you do the boxing stuff
[0:28] Speaker 1: with so many people, I don't even necessarily know where
[0:30] Speaker 1: to directly send them to find you at this point.
[0:33] Speaker 2: Sure. So, I mean, I call fights for DAZN. I'm
[0:35] Speaker 2: on Netflix a lot. I do stuff for Top Rank
[0:37] Speaker 2: and I write for Ring Magazine. Basically, anywhere you... watch
[0:40] Speaker 2: or read about boxing. I tend to pop up.
[0:43] Speaker 1: Yo, man, that says so much about like what the
[0:45] Speaker 1: world of boxing is, because like, I'd be getting to
[0:48] Speaker 1: check for one of those people. They try to hide
[0:49] Speaker 1: the fact that I get to check from the other people.
[0:51] Speaker 1: You're like, nah, man, we all, this is what we
[0:53] Speaker 1: do to eat over here in this world. Exactly.
[0:56] Speaker 2: And I always try to be, you know, like I
[0:58] Speaker 2: try to be the neutral party where I can, I
[1:00] Speaker 2: can pop up and I can be a voice, uh,
[1:03] Speaker 2: or the man with the written word wherever I am
[1:05] Speaker 2: and be impartial. So I, I try to, to play
[1:08] Speaker 2: nice with everyone. And also then you can cash everyone's checks.
[1:12] Speaker 3: All right.
[1:12] Speaker 1: So people who don't know, Corey and I worked together
[1:15] Speaker 1: on a little show called The Morning Jones that we
[1:17] Speaker 1: did on the SCORE satellite radio for the good folks
[1:20] Speaker 1: in Canada. Shout out to the Kang, Sasha Cargill. Shout
[1:23] Speaker 1: out Mike Hitman. Hey, man, we talked about this earlier.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Shout out to the man, John Levy. I follow you
[1:28] Speaker 1: on Instagram. You're fighting a good fight. I see what
[1:30] Speaker 1: you're talking about. You know what I mean? Since then,
[1:33] Speaker 1: Corey has gone on to do boxing for a whole
[1:35] Speaker 1: lot of people. We got a lot of things for
[1:38] Speaker 1: us to get to. These cats outside my window doing
[1:40] Speaker 1: some sort of serious renovation, like right now. But he decided,
[1:44] Speaker 1: I just saw it, he got a hammer in his hand.
[1:46] Speaker 1: He is literally banging on something directly outside the window.
[1:51] Speaker 1: What a lot of people do not know about Corey
[1:53] Speaker 1: is Corey is a R & B savant, like 1980s
[1:58] Speaker 1: specifically R & B savant. Corey knows it all. Corey's
[2:02] Speaker 1: all the way in there. And if, Corey, you had
[2:05] Speaker 1: ever wondered what it would be like if Bobby Brown
[2:09] Speaker 1: announced that the Don't Be Cruel Part 2 tour was
[2:13] Speaker 1: going to be happening in September of 2026. Now you
[2:17] Speaker 1: know how that feels because Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao
[2:21] Speaker 1: are going to fight each other in September. Now, to
[2:24] Speaker 1: be honest, this might be like Don't Be Cruel Part
[2:26] Speaker 1: 3 because the first fight was a little bit more
[2:28] Speaker 1: like Don't Be Cruel Part 2 in the sense that
[2:32] Speaker 1: We had been asking for that a lot sooner. And
[2:34] Speaker 1: by the time it came around, it wasn't the same
[2:38] Speaker 1: as the fight that we asked for. But correct me
[2:40] Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, it was still the highest grossing fight
[2:42] Speaker 1: that there has ever been, right?
[2:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, by almost, it was the most watched, I mean,
[2:47] Speaker 2: in terms of pay-per-view buys and the highest grossing fight
[2:50] Speaker 2: of all time. It's the business-wise most successful fight that's
[2:52] Speaker 2: ever happened.
[2:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, like no matter what it had to be done, right?
[2:55] Speaker 1: Like no matter how long it went or whatever. And
[2:57] Speaker 1: I've always been intrigued by this idea that that fight
[3:00] Speaker 1: was so interesting to people just because I personally never
[3:03] Speaker 1: got the feeling that Manny Pacquiao was like a giant star.
[3:07] Speaker 1: And in some ways Floyd Mayweather too, outside of the
[3:09] Speaker 1: context of each other, right? Like I felt like we
[3:12] Speaker 1: talked that fight up so much.
[3:13] Speaker 4: You know what it felt like? It felt like Chinese democracies.
[3:17] Speaker 1: Uh the the guns and roses record that'd be a
[3:19] Speaker 1: wait for 20 years i didn't know you were going
[3:20] Speaker 1: with that all right yeah by the way wasn't that
[3:23] Speaker 1: bad right it was it was all right but you
[3:25] Speaker 1: know it wasn't quite what it might have.
[3:27] Speaker 4: Been if it came out and call it 93 yeah.
[3:30] Speaker 2: Which is which is kind of exactly how the fight
[3:32] Speaker 2: turned out in the ring it was probably a slower
[3:35] Speaker 2: paced version of the way that it would have looked
[3:38] Speaker 2: at almost any other point in history i know there
[3:40] Speaker 2: are some people that argue that there was a period
[3:43] Speaker 2: of time, like 2009, 2010, Manny, that probably would have
[3:48] Speaker 2: had the absolute best chance of beating Floyd. But I
[3:51] Speaker 2: think there were a lot of people who felt that
[3:53] Speaker 2: no matter when you did that fight, the styles matched
[3:56] Speaker 2: up such that Floyd was going to win. Now, he
[3:58] Speaker 2: might have had more trouble in winning at different periods
[4:02] Speaker 2: of time than he ultimately did. But I think there
[4:05] Speaker 2: were the betting odds suggested. And I think the prevailing
[4:09] Speaker 2: opinion within the boxing community is was that Floyd was
[4:12] Speaker 2: going to win no matter what. At this point, there's
[4:16] Speaker 2: just new variables. Like, what does a 50-year-old Floyd wind
[4:20] Speaker 2: up looking like in an actual fight, not in an
[4:22] Speaker 2: exhibition against a non-boxer? We kind of know what this
[4:26] Speaker 2: version of Manny looks like because he damn near won
[4:29] Speaker 2: a world title last year. He almost beat Mario Barrios.
[4:33] Speaker 2: If he had, he would hold a world title right now,
[4:36] Speaker 2: or maybe he would have fought Ryan Garcia. I don't know.
[4:38] Speaker 2: But this... This is probably the first time where I,
[4:43] Speaker 2: you know, and I don't like to make predictions all
[4:46] Speaker 2: that much because I might wind up calling that fight
[4:49] Speaker 2: and then that gets really weird. But if you had
[4:52] Speaker 2: to ask me, this is the first time that I'm
[4:55] Speaker 2: not certain I can't conclusively with confidence pick Floyd because
[5:01] Speaker 2: age is such an unusual factor here that we have
[5:04] Speaker 2: to consider.
[5:05] Speaker 1: So you threw out something that was really fascinating and
[5:09] Speaker 1: I had seen it on the internet and I didn't
[5:13] Speaker 1: know how true this was, but you just reaffirmed it,
[5:18] Speaker 1: which is Manny Pacquiao has fought recently. And in that
[5:24] Speaker 1: fight that he fought recently, it was at a world
[5:28] Speaker 1: championship level. That's kind of crazy because when he fought
[5:32] Speaker 1: against Floyd and I know that, you know, he says
[5:34] Speaker 1: he had the injury during that fight. He was not
[5:36] Speaker 1: fighting at a world championship level at that point. It
[5:39] Speaker 1: never dawned on me. that 47-year-old Manny Pacquiao, especially fighting
[5:44] Speaker 1: in the weight classes that he's talking about, right? Because, like,
[5:46] Speaker 1: at least when George Foreman came back as an old
[5:48] Speaker 1: man and was fighting there, like, he was an old man, yes,
[5:51] Speaker 1: but at least he was still, like, getting hard as hell, right? Like,
[5:55] Speaker 1: you could see a world where big, flabby George Foreman
[5:58] Speaker 1: could win a fight just because, as Michael Moore, right?
[6:02] Speaker 1: All he had to do was catch you with that
[6:04] Speaker 1: one and then it would go. But with the little guys,
[6:07] Speaker 1: one would think that the variables that are most affected
[6:09] Speaker 1: by age, which is really quickness, right?
[6:12] Speaker 4: Quickness, right?
[6:13] Speaker 1: You would think that that would go away like that. No, man,
[6:16] Speaker 1: you say this dude, the last time we saw him,
[6:18] Speaker 1: he wasn't bad.
[6:19] Speaker 2: No, he was, listen, he, with another set of judges,
[6:23] Speaker 2: could have reasonably won that fight. I thought that, you know,
[6:26] Speaker 2: the draw was fine, but he could have reasonably won
[6:29] Speaker 2: that fight. And Manny Pacquiao at 47, would be a
[6:33] Speaker 2: current world champion. Now, does that say something about the
[6:37] Speaker 2: caliber of fighter that he was in there with that
[6:39] Speaker 2: night or the general caliber of the welterweight division presently? Probably,
[6:44] Speaker 2: but it also speaks to how good these guys were
[6:49] Speaker 2: and still are. That even with the erosion of time,
[6:53] Speaker 2: that Manny Pacquiao could be as good as some of
[6:56] Speaker 2: the best welterweights in the world right now, right? Like,
[6:59] Speaker 2: To put it into context, the win that Ryan Garcia
[7:02] Speaker 2: is being praised for, the best that he's ever looked
[7:04] Speaker 2: at as a professional, maybe against Mario Barrios just last weekend,
[7:08] Speaker 2: that was damn near the same win that Manny Pacquiao
[7:12] Speaker 2: would have had.
[7:12] Speaker 4: Right.
[7:12] Speaker 2: So that like does add a little bit of intrigue
[7:16] Speaker 2: to this fight is that, yes, this is a very
[7:20] Speaker 2: old version of these two that are going to get
[7:22] Speaker 2: in the ring. But are they they might still be
[7:26] Speaker 2: as good as the guys that are out there. So
[7:29] Speaker 2: it might not actually be that bad of a fight, though.
[7:32] Speaker 4: Yo, that's the thing. I assumed that this was going
[7:34] Speaker 4: to be a clown show, right?
[7:36] Speaker 1: Like if you're doing this because we've seen so many
[7:39] Speaker 1: clown shows. And to be fair, Floyd himself has chosen
[7:43] Speaker 1: to engage in clown shows, which. We can maybe talk
[7:48] Speaker 1: later about what we'll term the necessity of fighting, perhaps.
[7:52] Speaker 1: But I had always taken Floyd, though, say what we
[7:55] Speaker 1: want about him, he does take boxing very, very seriously.
[7:59] Speaker 1: And the idea that he would come out there, like
[8:01] Speaker 1: playing around with Conor McGregor was one thing, but like
[8:03] Speaker 1: John Gotti III and things like that. I understand that
[8:08] Speaker 1: most people will say no such thing on this, but
[8:11] Speaker 1: I did think that those things.
[8:11] Speaker 4: Were a bit beneath him.
[8:14] Speaker 1: This one, I never thought about it until like really
[8:18] Speaker 1: in the last 18 hours.
[8:20] Speaker 4: Wait, this is going to be an actual fight? Yeah, exactly.
[8:23] Speaker 2: Well, and at first, you know, because the announcements kind
[8:27] Speaker 2: of came in waves. First, we get the announcement that
[8:29] Speaker 2: Floyd's coming out of retirement and he's going to fight
[8:32] Speaker 2: Mike Tyson in the Democratic Republic.
[8:34] Speaker 4: Cloud show. Right.
[8:35] Speaker 2: So that's that's another exhibition.
[8:37] Speaker 4: Right. And that is in that, by the way. Yes.
[8:39] Speaker 2: Let's get back to that. But that is precisely like
[8:42] Speaker 2: the types of fights that you just mentioned against Logan
[8:43] Speaker 2: Paul and. against John Gotti III, these kind of like
[8:47] Speaker 2: what seems to be easy checks for Floyd scooping up.
[8:51] Speaker 2: But I think, and I'm sure we'll get into some
[8:54] Speaker 2: of the other reasons why Floyd may be coming back,
[8:57] Speaker 2: and there are perhaps some financial implications. We'll get into
[9:01] Speaker 2: that in a second. But I think one thing is
[9:03] Speaker 2: that Floyd probably watched Pacquiao versus Barrios and said, wait
[9:08] Speaker 2: a minute, this is a real fight. And Manny almost won. Like,
[9:12] Speaker 2: this could be a real thing. Maybe I could be
[9:14] Speaker 2: world champion again. Because you're right. Floyd takes boxing more
[9:19] Speaker 2: seriously than anything else. And even in his retirement, or pseudo-retirement,
[9:25] Speaker 2: he's still taking care of himself in a way that
[9:27] Speaker 2: a lot of athletes want. Floyd has never drank. He
[9:29] Speaker 2: doesn't smoke. You know, his biggest vice is that he
[9:32] Speaker 2: drinks cola. you know, like Floyd will still look like
[9:36] Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather in the ring because he's, he's composed himself
[9:39] Speaker 2: or he's reported himself that way, uh, through the years. Uh,
[9:43] Speaker 2: but I think this is a real element that I
[9:45] Speaker 2: think that that changed things when Floyd realized that the
[9:49] Speaker 2: biggest fight I could still have is still against Manny
[9:53] Speaker 2: and we could turn it into a real fight. And
[9:55] Speaker 2: that turns it from, Hey, okay. It's just Floyd and
[9:57] Speaker 2: Manny dancing around to, I guess we gotta tune into this.
[10:01] Speaker 4: I also don't.
[10:04] Speaker 1: I'm not certain that Manny Pacquiao is capable of just
[10:09] Speaker 1: dancing around right like And I'm not sure that Floyd
[10:14] Speaker 1: Mayweather is capable of just dancing around if it's Manny
[10:17] Speaker 1: Pacquiao on.
[10:19] Speaker 4: The other side. Right.
[10:20] Speaker 1: Like he did not do Logan Paul like Anthony Joshua
[10:24] Speaker 1: did Jake Paul, which I found to be hilarious. He
[10:27] Speaker 1: was just like, hey, hey, wait.
[10:28] Speaker 4: A minute, man.
[10:30] Speaker 1: I need people to understand that I'm I'm knocking this
[10:36] Speaker 1: dude out. He put that man's jaw, it was like
[10:40] Speaker 1: a cartoon that shit spun around his neck. It's almost
[10:43] Speaker 1: like Jake choked to death because his jaw wrapped around
[10:46] Speaker 1: and choked his whole shit out. Floyd did not do
[10:50] Speaker 1: that to Logan Paul. That was on the board for
[10:52] Speaker 1: whatever reason. He chose not to do that to Logan Paul.
[10:55] Speaker 1: He has to fight Manny Pacquiao for real.
[10:58] Speaker 4: There's no... Imagine if Floyd.
[11:01] Speaker 1: Comes out there against Manny Pacquiao, and Manny Pacquiao chooses
[11:05] Speaker 1: to treat it actually like Ivan Drago, right? It was
[11:08] Speaker 1: supposed to be an exhibition.
[11:09] Speaker 4: Nah, baby.
[11:10] Speaker 1: Manny Pacquiao, you know, Corey, you and I, we talk
[11:13] Speaker 1: about this a lot. It is a part of it
[11:15] Speaker 1: in this fight. Manny Pacquiao doing this for his people, Sujente.
[11:20] Speaker 3: Sujente.
[11:21] Speaker 1: On top of everything else, man, you can't get Floyd
[11:24] Speaker 1: beat your black ass again, dog. Like this is, this is,
[11:26] Speaker 1: this is something else. Like me and my people, we
[11:28] Speaker 1: ain't really got no beef with the Filipinos in that way.
[11:30] Speaker 4: But on the other side, Hey, Hey, Hey, nah, nah, nah, man. No, sir.
[11:35] Speaker 3: No, sir.
[11:35] Speaker 4: It's gotta be a fight.
[11:36] Speaker 2: It's gotta be for, for all the reasons that you
[11:38] Speaker 2: just pointed out that I don't think that they can
[11:40] Speaker 2: fake it against one another. But again, the prospect that
[11:44] Speaker 2: either of these two guys could, and it's not completely
[11:49] Speaker 2: out of the question. win this fight and then go
[11:52] Speaker 2: on to win a world title in Floyd's case at
[11:54] Speaker 2: 50 years old, it necessitates him trying in this fight.
[11:59] Speaker 2: Like number one, it is going to be a real
[12:01] Speaker 2: sanctioned professional fight. This one is not an exhibition, right?
[12:04] Speaker 2: So it's a fight fight. But even in fight fights,
[12:07] Speaker 2: of course, there are some people, there are some circumstances
[12:10] Speaker 2: where you might expect them to loaf it and kind of,
[12:12] Speaker 2: you know, play the hits a little bit. maybe try
[12:14] Speaker 2: in the final round, kind of like the oldies tennis tour, right?
[12:18] Speaker 2: When you watch Pete Sampras versus whoever, they'll try in
[12:21] Speaker 2: the final set, not otherwise. Listen, do you think that
[12:26] Speaker 2: Floyd or Manny could beat, I'll just throw a name
[12:28] Speaker 2: out here, do you think they could beat Roley Romero
[12:31] Speaker 2: right now for a world title?
[12:34] Speaker 4: Possibly, right?
[12:35] Speaker 2: That is a real possibility for either of these guys.
[12:38] Speaker 2: So they have to take it seriously and they have
[12:40] Speaker 2: to fight for real.
[12:40] Speaker 1: These cats just can't walk away, huh?
[12:44] Speaker 4: For a lot of reasons.
[12:45] Speaker 2: For a lot of reasons.
[12:48] Speaker 1: Let's chalk up, because we're going to see another interesting
[12:51] Speaker 1: test of this is going to be Terrence Crawford, who
[12:53] Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford is offended that you think that he'll come back.
[12:59] Speaker 1: He believes that he has made a decision to walk away,
[13:01] Speaker 1: and it would be a compromise of his integrity if
[13:05] Speaker 1: he were to ever come back to boxing. If you
[13:06] Speaker 1: saw that clip with him and Shannon Crowder on the pivot,
[13:09] Speaker 1: where Shannon Crowder... Terrence Crawford really said that it would
[13:13] Speaker 1: be like a violation of his soul if he were
[13:16] Speaker 1: to box again. And Shannon Crowder said, for $ 100 million,
[13:20] Speaker 1: I ain't got no soul.
[13:21] Speaker 4: And Terrence Crawford said to this man's face, that's just
[13:25] Speaker 4: what kind of guy you are.
[13:29] Speaker 1: And I don't know if Shannon Crowder took that as
[13:31] Speaker 1: the insult that I received it as, right? He was
[13:35] Speaker 1: just calling him empty. He just called him empty, right?
[13:37] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:37] Speaker 1: But, you know, everybody, Lennox Lewis is the one guy
[13:41] Speaker 1: that I can think of off the top of my
[13:42] Speaker 1: head that did not come back. I guess Rocky Marciano, though,
[13:45] Speaker 1: didn't he die young? So I don't even know if that, like.
[13:47] Speaker 4: He died, yeah.
[13:48] Speaker 2: And other than that, like, really weird kind of like
[13:50] Speaker 2: VHS where him and Muhammad Ali kind of simulate a fight. Yeah,
[13:55] Speaker 2: he didn't come back.
[13:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he was just like, you know, but
[13:58] Speaker 1: just about everybody comes back. Now, to be fair to Floyd,
[14:04] Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that Floyd does to
[14:08] Speaker 1: pass the time if he is not a boxer. The
[14:11] Speaker 1: only thing I know about what there is for him
[14:14] Speaker 1: to do to pass the time is the same problem
[14:17] Speaker 1: that everybody else has when it comes to the idea
[14:19] Speaker 1: of leaving your job. And as someone who has done
[14:22] Speaker 1: various fits of unemployment, you recognize very quickly that The
[14:26] Speaker 1: only thing in your life that does not cost money
[14:29] Speaker 1: is going to work. And that's just if you have
[14:33] Speaker 1: regular people habits and are into regular people things. Floyd
[14:40] Speaker 1: Mayweather would... What is he doing with himself? Is he
[14:44] Speaker 1: sitting around reading, right? Do you think he's working on
[14:46] Speaker 1: his memoirs? What is, you think he's hiking, right?
[14:50] Speaker 4: Like you think he's out here meditating?
[14:51] Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing, but it seemed like
[14:54] Speaker 1: he would be the guy that wouldn't come back if
[14:56] Speaker 1: for no other reason than that.
[14:57] Speaker 4: 50 and 0 thing really means something.
[15:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think there's a couple things going on
[15:04] Speaker 2: with Floyd. I think all of that, all of that
[15:07] Speaker 2: is true. Floyd has an incredibly expensive lifestyle. And when
[15:10] Speaker 2: you ask, what is he doing? when he's not fighting, well, it's,
[15:13] Speaker 2: it's these exhibitions and then just generally business, right? Like
[15:17] Speaker 2: he's right. He's talks about making investments. He talks about
[15:20] Speaker 2: making money, the things that flow. And, and I, I
[15:23] Speaker 2: don't think I'm doing any like extraordinary like analysis of
[15:27] Speaker 2: Floyd's brain in saying that the things that he cares
[15:30] Speaker 2: about most are being the greatest boxer of all time
[15:33] Speaker 2: and having a lot of money. But he also knows
[15:35] Speaker 2: that the, the best way for him to make a
[15:37] Speaker 2: lot of money is to box and And the other
[15:41] Speaker 2: thing that he cares about is being a record holder.
[15:46] Speaker 2: And so there's two things that I think are, that
[15:49] Speaker 2: probably motivated Floyd. And this is just my speculation. Number one,
[15:53] Speaker 2: for forever and ever, at least for the last like
[15:56] Speaker 2: 15 years, he's held all the records in terms of
[16:00] Speaker 2: gate proceeds, pay-per-view numbers, viewership, all that. In recent times,
[16:04] Speaker 2: with Netflix coming into the boxing equation, we've seen Jake
[16:08] Speaker 2: Paul and Mike Tyson do whatever it was, 109 million viewers, right?
[16:13] Speaker 2: So now there's a record out there that Floyd doesn't have,
[16:16] Speaker 2: but he can come back and maybe beat that record.
[16:20] Speaker 2: That's one thing. There's also the record of being one
[16:23] Speaker 2: of the oldest world champions. He could theoretically come back
[16:26] Speaker 2: and maybe do that. But the other thing going on, Bo,
[16:29] Speaker 2: and there's always the speculation when people when boxers come
[16:34] Speaker 2: back later in their career and they come back later
[16:36] Speaker 2: in life, the instant assumption is, are they broke? Because
[16:40] Speaker 2: we've seen that any number of times with athletes and
[16:44] Speaker 2: oftentimes with boxers.
[16:46] Speaker 4: Just about every single one of them.
[16:48] Speaker 2: Just about every single one.
[16:50] Speaker 4: We got Linux Lewis and we got the rest of y'all.
[16:53] Speaker 2: Everybody else, right? Everybody, seemingly all of your faves, they've
[16:57] Speaker 2: had a sad comeback that in a lot of cases
[17:00] Speaker 2: was tied to money. In Floyd's case, and I'm going
[17:03] Speaker 2: to be very specific here, I don't think that Floyd
[17:08] Speaker 2: Mayweather is broke, right? Like if the three of us
[17:12] Speaker 2: went out for dinner, Floyd's still picking up the tab.
[17:15] Speaker 2: Could Floyd buy you a car or a house and
[17:18] Speaker 2: not appreciably change his life? Yes. But what is going on,
[17:22] Speaker 2: I don't know if you've read, but he did file
[17:24] Speaker 2: a lawsuit that Al Heyman is not a party in
[17:27] Speaker 2: the lawsuit, but Showtime is, where he alleges that 340,
[17:31] Speaker 2: is it 340 or 342 million?
[17:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[17:32] Speaker 2: Of his career proceeds are unaccounted for. And so even
[17:34] Speaker 2: if Floyd isn't broke, if, 340 million of the 1.2
[17:46] Speaker 2: billion that you think you made in your career is
[17:49] Speaker 2: suddenly missing. That's 40% of the money that you thought
[17:53] Speaker 2: you had or were entitled to that you don't have.
[17:56] Speaker 2: And even if you're not broke, a good way to
[17:59] Speaker 2: get back up to the level that you thought you
[18:01] Speaker 2: were at is to come back and make an immense
[18:03] Speaker 2: amount of money.
[18:04] Speaker 1: Well, there is also a real question is whether he's liquid.
[18:11] Speaker 1: Because he seems to have, like I read that article
[18:13] Speaker 1: that came out, that he seems to have a lot
[18:14] Speaker 1: of money tied up in real estate. And that the
[18:18] Speaker 1: way to save himself from himself was to get money
[18:21] Speaker 1: and to buy something with it. Right? Like it's a
[18:24] Speaker 1: very Jay-Z on album school of financial management. Right.
[18:30] Speaker 4: Go put the money in something.
[18:32] Speaker 3: Right.
[18:32] Speaker 4: Go, go, go throw the money in something there.
[18:34] Speaker 1: I will also say and I imagine this also applies.
[18:38] Speaker 4: To people at the level of Floyd Mayweather.
[18:41] Speaker 2: Right.
[18:42] Speaker 4: And, you know, you and I knew each other way
[18:44] Speaker 4: back when. Right.
[18:47] Speaker 1: At every point, you're going to get to that place
[18:50] Speaker 1: where you said to yourself, you know, I think what
[18:54] Speaker 1: I thought would be enough. And that number just keeps changing.
[18:58] Speaker 1: That number always, no matter who it is, every time
[19:02] Speaker 1: somebody thought they had enough, that number keeps going up
[19:06] Speaker 1: just a little bit, just a little bit, just a
[19:09] Speaker 1: little bit.
[19:10] Speaker 4: And what Floyd's been at the place he's in now, right?
[19:12] Speaker 4: He retired, what, like 10 years ago?
[19:14] Speaker 2: I mean, officially, yeah, I guess.
[19:16] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[19:17] Speaker 2: Andre Berger's last fight.
[19:18] Speaker 1: He stretched this out a lot longer if he did
[19:22] Speaker 1: go broke, which again would be insane. But if he did,
[19:25] Speaker 1: don't lie, he stretched it out longer than most people
[19:28] Speaker 1: thought that he would stretch it out before he came
[19:30] Speaker 1: back to do this. And I agree, it feels impossible
[19:34] Speaker 1: that he would have to. It doesn't feel like he
[19:36] Speaker 1: really has to. Now that Pacquiao, oh, that's different.
[19:41] Speaker 4: That's different.
[19:42] Speaker 1: Because the one mistake all of these cats make is
[19:44] Speaker 1: they always get tied up with somebody that think you
[19:46] Speaker 1: can run a game on the tax man.
[19:48] Speaker 4: And you can't. Yeah.
[19:50] Speaker 2: You know, and there have been very tragic examples of
[19:52] Speaker 2: that throughout history. Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Lewis, Joe Lewis
[19:57] Speaker 2: is the most tragic example of that. Yeah. And I
[20:01] Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, those talks about Pacquiao's finances have
[20:04] Speaker 2: seemed to kind of cool off. as the years have
[20:07] Speaker 2: gone on. Does that mean that it's entirely cleared up?
[20:10] Speaker 2: I don't know. I do know that he has a
[20:12] Speaker 2: brand new promotional outfit. Manny Pacquiao Promotions has an event
[20:17] Speaker 2: this weekend in Verona, New York. Manny Pacquiao Jr. is
[20:20] Speaker 2: going to be fighting on it. So hopefully things have
[20:23] Speaker 2: stabilized financially for Manny. But yeah, I would think that
[20:28] Speaker 2: You know, over the years, Manny made a little less
[20:30] Speaker 2: money than Floyd and he had some problems that were
[20:33] Speaker 2: very public. So this may be I think that Manny
[20:36] Speaker 2: was going to be very happy to cash this check,
[20:38] Speaker 2: whatever size it is.
[20:40] Speaker 1: Hey, man, I'm a little nervous about what that Manny out,
[20:43] Speaker 1: Manny out, what that Manny Pacquiao promotion is going to
[20:47] Speaker 1: be after that Triple G fight that you invited me to.
[20:51] Speaker 1: Tell people about this all the time. There was a
[20:53] Speaker 1: Triple G fight at Madison Square Garden. Corey was on
[20:56] Speaker 1: the call. He got me tickets.
[20:57] Speaker 4: It was real cool. I think this is what I
[20:58] Speaker 4: watched with your pops. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[21:00] Speaker 2: Triple G versus Steve Rolls, the Canadian.
[21:02] Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Now, keep in mind that one of the fighters on
[21:05] Speaker 1: the card had a bullet in his back, and he
[21:09] Speaker 1: couldn't do the perfunctory MRI to be clear for the
[21:12] Speaker 1: fight because there was a possibility that the bullet would
[21:15] Speaker 1: roll over onto his spine and leave him paralyzed. And
[21:17] Speaker 1: he said, fuck it, I guess you just go fight.
[21:20] Speaker 1: But what I'll always remember about that is two things. One,
[21:23] Speaker 1: shout out to the brothers that went on Amazon and
[21:26] Speaker 1: got boxes of Kazakhstan flags and was outside moving them things, boy.
[21:31] Speaker 4: Actually, it's three things.
[21:32] Speaker 1: Two things, I don't know how many of those Kazakhstanis
[21:35] Speaker 1: were in New York City, but Kazakhstan was deep.
[21:38] Speaker 4: Madison Square Garden.
[21:39] Speaker 1: I learned a lot about Kazakhstan, including they have three
[21:43] Speaker 1: different looks. It's like the full on Asian look, the
[21:46] Speaker 1: full on Russian look, and like the in between Central
[21:49] Speaker 1: Asian Genghis Khan-ish sort of thing that was going on.
[21:53] Speaker 4: But number three.
[21:54] Speaker 1: It was very clear that the subtitle of that promotion
[21:57] Speaker 1: was Kazakhstan defeats overwhelmed Afro-Americans. The last two fights were
[22:04] Speaker 1: two dudes from Kazakhstan against two black dudes that had
[22:07] Speaker 1: no business being out there with them.
[22:09] Speaker 4: And they beat the shit out of them. Triple G,
[22:12] Speaker 4: I did not realize how hard them.
[22:13] Speaker 1: Dudes was really hitting until I saw Triple G take
[22:15] Speaker 1: that dude out with that uppercut. But I was like, oh,
[22:18] Speaker 1: so your whole plan was just come beat up on
[22:19] Speaker 1: some black.
[22:20] Speaker 4: Dudes, huh? And they were like, yep. And the crowd
[22:22] Speaker 4: loved it.
[22:23] Speaker 2: And it did not matter that Steve Rolls is like
[22:25] Speaker 2: from Chatham, Ontario, either.
[22:27] Speaker 4: It makes no difference. No, no, no, no, no. He
[22:30] Speaker 4: fits the bill, baby. He he fit the bill.
[22:34] Speaker 1: But I got to say, you make me feel a
[22:36] Speaker 1: little bit better about what is possible with this fight.
[22:39] Speaker 1: Now that I think about it, because I really had
[22:41] Speaker 1: no idea that Pacquiao had this fight the other day
[22:43] Speaker 1: that he came out and look like a real fighter.
[22:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Like, listen, of course, this is going to
[22:49] Speaker 2: be an ancient version of these two. But this is
[22:53] Speaker 2: a situation where these guys were so far ahead of
[22:57] Speaker 2: the pack that even as time has eroded them, they
[23:01] Speaker 2: can still be competitive with some guys out there, right? Like,
[23:04] Speaker 2: everyone's goal in boxing doesn't always have to be to
[23:07] Speaker 2: be number one pound for pound.
[23:09] Speaker 4: As you get a.
[23:10] Speaker 2: Little bit older, you can pick and choose and kind
[23:12] Speaker 2: of aim– you know, for different titles and different goals.
[23:17] Speaker 2: And there are ones out there that could be very
[23:19] Speaker 2: impressive that are very attainable for both of them.
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[23:23] Speaker 1: about kind of, you know, you and I both hate
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[26:18] Speaker 1: I mean, I admit, watching Jake Paul have the records
[26:22] Speaker 1: for the fights, like, it hurts, bro. Like it's not,
[26:26] Speaker 1: it doesn't make me feel good about anything. And it's
[26:29] Speaker 1: just like, I think for people who are really into boxing,
[26:33] Speaker 1: I feel like it has to be somewhat disheartening. Like
[26:35] Speaker 1: the idea that Jake Paul fighting guys could draw so
[26:41] Speaker 1: much attention. But on the other hand, I do think
[26:45] Speaker 1: it points out something that's important for people to remember
[26:48] Speaker 1: about boxing is that in the end, there is a
[26:52] Speaker 1: big boxing scene and a boxing world and there's weight
[26:55] Speaker 1: classes and there's rankings and there's up and down and
[26:58] Speaker 1: everything else. And there's a lot of fights that even
[27:01] Speaker 1: if people don't talk so much about them in the
[27:03] Speaker 1: general audience that are very much so watched. People are
[27:06] Speaker 1: still making money off of boxing, right? Like I don't,
[27:09] Speaker 1: I don't, I guess there's some people still making money
[27:11] Speaker 1: off of horse racing, but this is not that, right?
[27:13] Speaker 1: Like this is not, boxing is not dying in the
[27:16] Speaker 1: ways that people often want to say.
[27:18] Speaker 4: But, I do feel.
[27:20] Speaker 1: Like the phenomenon of Jake Paul boxing has kind of
[27:25] Speaker 1: pointed out to people, if you didn't remember it, it's
[27:28] Speaker 1: an events game, right? Like it is a big event
[27:31] Speaker 1: sort of thing. And a big event can pop up
[27:34] Speaker 1: out of anywhere. A big event can be big because
[27:37] Speaker 1: of the way that it is promoted. And so Mayweather
[27:40] Speaker 1: Pacquiao still has a great opportunity to be a big thing.
[27:44] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
[27:44] Speaker 2: And particularly the other thing is that it's going to
[27:46] Speaker 2: be in the Sphere in Las Vegas, right, which has
[27:48] Speaker 2: hosted UFC in the past. But this is going to
[27:50] Speaker 2: be the first time that we're going to see boxing
[27:53] Speaker 2: presented in there also. And that's going to be another aspect. Like,
[27:57] Speaker 2: I thought that Canelo Crawford on Netflix as a television
[28:02] Speaker 2: presentation was the best that boxing has ever looked on TV.
[28:07] Speaker 2: So that's going to be another drawing factor as well.
[28:09] Speaker 2: But you're right. Like, boxing is essentially– Yes, it's a
[28:13] Speaker 2: television property, but it is a series of one-off events.
[28:19] Speaker 2: And it's also a ticket-selling venture, right? Like, Clarissa Shields,
[28:24] Speaker 2: I just called her fight on Sunday in Detroit. 18,000
[28:28] Speaker 2: people in Little Caesars Arena. Raucous event, right? It is
[28:31] Speaker 2: a one-night event that the biggest boxing events are on
[28:35] Speaker 2: par with or surpass all of the biggest concerts that
[28:40] Speaker 2: are out there.
[28:40] Speaker 4: Like, Tank Davis.
[28:42] Speaker 2: when he was fighting at Barclays Center, his single night
[28:45] Speaker 2: ticket sales, his gate receipts and whatnot, they're on par
[28:48] Speaker 2: with the biggest pop acts in the world. So that
[28:51] Speaker 2: is what it is. And when someone who is ultra
[28:54] Speaker 2: famous comes in and takes part in boxing, things outside
[28:59] Speaker 2: of boxing on a day-to-day basis are more popular than boxing.
[29:02] Speaker 2: That shouldn't be surprising to people, right? If you could
[29:08] Speaker 2: take any number of celebrities and if they came in
[29:11] Speaker 2: the novelty of them fighting and the, the popularity that
[29:15] Speaker 2: they have brought from outside of boxing. Like, yeah, it
[29:17] Speaker 2: is going to be, it's going to be big, but.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Especially when people want to see them get their asses kicked.
[29:23] Speaker 1: Like when I did the thing on game theory with
[29:25] Speaker 1: Jake Paul, it was amazing. Like the parents of the
[29:28] Speaker 1: kids who grew up on Jake Paul hate him.
[29:30] Speaker 4: My God.
[29:31] Speaker 1: Right.
[29:32] Speaker 2: And you don't think he knows that, right? Like he,
[29:34] Speaker 2: he made the correct calculus and has made an immense
[29:37] Speaker 2: amount of money off of it. But boxing as a machine,
[29:40] Speaker 2: rolls along week after week, ticket sales, they're in arenas everywhere,
[29:44] Speaker 2: all across the world. Like I listen, if boxing is dying,
[29:47] Speaker 2: I don't know where my mortgage payments are coming from.
[29:52] Speaker 1: It's not an easy talker. It's kind of, in a
[29:55] Speaker 1: lot of ways to me, similar to baseball. I always
[29:59] Speaker 1: say this. Go look at the attendance numbers on baseball.
[30:01] Speaker 1: They're still good. Go look on the viewership numbers of baseball.
[30:04] Speaker 1: They're still good. But the only place really to talk
[30:08] Speaker 1: about baseball is on a baseball podcast. It is on
[30:11] Speaker 1: a baseball show. It's no longer a general audience talker.
[30:15] Speaker 4: I would also.
[30:16] Speaker 1: Make the same argument about UFC. It's just that since
[30:18] Speaker 1: UFC is not a sport, it is a federation. They
[30:21] Speaker 1: can make the, I mean, obviously with the WME situation
[30:24] Speaker 1: they got, right? But they could have a relationship with
[30:26] Speaker 1: ESPN or have a relationship in these places that put
[30:29] Speaker 1: the names out there. But for me personally- There's no
[30:32] Speaker 1: MMA fight you can tell me is going to happen
[30:34] Speaker 1: and you get me to watch. You tell me it's
[30:35] Speaker 1: a big boxing match. I don't really ask that many
[30:38] Speaker 1: questions about who's in it. You tell me it's a
[30:40] Speaker 1: big boxing match. It sounds to me like something I
[30:41] Speaker 1: need to know about.
[30:42] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[30:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think a big boxing match, even if
[30:45] Speaker 2: you don't know who the participants are, like I think
[30:47] Speaker 2: that the energy, the presentation of a live boxing match,
[30:51] Speaker 2: I think it could still on a one night basis
[30:54] Speaker 2: supersede anything. And I think what we're talking about generally
[30:57] Speaker 2: is just like it's the erosion of monoculture in the
[31:00] Speaker 2: world where we can all find what the algorithm is
[31:04] Speaker 2: going to spit at us, these little silos that we
[31:06] Speaker 2: can exist within. But to your point, there aren't too
[31:09] Speaker 2: many things that can, even for one night, break out
[31:13] Speaker 2: and be monoculture. Like as weird as some of these
[31:17] Speaker 2: kind of novelty events have been, you know, like Jake
[31:20] Speaker 2: and Mike, for example, there was something really cool about
[31:24] Speaker 2: that night where every single one of the people in
[31:27] Speaker 2: my life were talking to me about boxing. And like,
[31:30] Speaker 2: I don't talk to everyone in my life about what
[31:32] Speaker 2: I do for a living. I have a lot of
[31:33] Speaker 2: people in my life. Most people don't watch any boxing,
[31:36] Speaker 2: but that everyone and my parents were talking about Mike
[31:39] Speaker 2: coming back. And like, there aren't other sports, even the Olympics,
[31:43] Speaker 2: not everyone in my life watched the figure skating, you know,
[31:46] Speaker 2: even as, as much of a stranglehold as like Alyssa
[31:49] Speaker 2: Liu had on our lives. Even that wasn't able to
[31:52] Speaker 2: seemingly break through in the way that a big, big,
[31:55] Speaker 2: big boxing event can. So, you know, to whatever degree
[31:58] Speaker 2: you think boxing has taken its step back, it still
[32:02] Speaker 2: has that ability to snatch the spotlight in a way
[32:05] Speaker 2: that other things can't.
[32:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, it reminds me of put a pin in
[32:10] Speaker 1: it that I want to take the pin out that
[32:11] Speaker 1: we hadn't got to earlier, which was. Floyd and Mike
[32:15] Speaker 1: Tyson are going to do this exhibition. Now, we know
[32:18] Speaker 1: Mike needs the money. Mike is in a perpetual state
[32:21] Speaker 1: of needing the money. We understand this. There's a part
[32:24] Speaker 1: of me that it makes it tough when I see
[32:27] Speaker 1: him out there in this just because of the understanding
[32:29] Speaker 1: of that part. However, as we talked about earlier, Corey
[32:34] Speaker 1: does a lot of work for a lot of people,
[32:35] Speaker 1: so I ain't putting him in no bind. I'm going
[32:37] Speaker 1: to avoid it if at all possible. But the idea
[32:41] Speaker 1: that they're going to take this back to Kinshasa And
[32:43] Speaker 1: for those of you who don't quite understand the idea
[32:47] Speaker 1: of a fight in Kinshasa, what was once Zaire, which
[32:50] Speaker 1: is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, is that
[32:52] Speaker 1: is where Ali Foreman, Rumble in the Jungle, was. And
[32:56] Speaker 1: it was a big deal, the idea that that fight
[32:58] Speaker 1: was in Africa and everything else. And I just don't...
[33:02] Speaker 1: Why we got to do it with this one, man?
[33:03] Speaker 4: Like, why we... This is not Rumble in the Jungle
[33:07] Speaker 4: part two. You understand what I'm saying? Like, this is.
[33:10] Speaker 2: It shouldn't be this. I, listen, I don't want to
[33:14] Speaker 2: cast too much doubt here, but this is also an
[33:17] Speaker 2: event without a date and without a location.
[33:20] Speaker 4: It's just that it's a notion.
[33:24] Speaker 2: You can come to your own conclusions.
[33:26] Speaker 4: I got you. Okay. That's a very important detail.
[33:30] Speaker 1: Now, something else I wanted to ask about, and I
[33:33] Speaker 1: asked this speaking generally, because this was the thought that
[33:36] Speaker 1: I had watching Anthony Joshua's String out the fight against
[33:40] Speaker 1: Jake Paul or even to a degree watching Floyd Mayweather,
[33:44] Speaker 1: who at any point could have put Conor McGregor to sleep,
[33:46] Speaker 1: letting that go a while. And it was easy to understand.
[33:48] Speaker 1: Floyd was trying to get people to show they paid
[33:50] Speaker 1: for whatever. But I have I have worried about the
[33:53] Speaker 1: incentive structure of fights on streaming. where the variable that
[33:58] Speaker 1: Netflix cares a lot about in its general business is
[34:02] Speaker 1: time spent viewing, which then raises questions about the incentive
[34:07] Speaker 1: structure for the fighters who are there, whether there is
[34:10] Speaker 1: value in letting this fight go a little bit longer.
[34:14] Speaker 1: That being said, I do realize and feel like that
[34:17] Speaker 1: when it's an actual fight, and not an exhibition ain't
[34:20] Speaker 1: nobody got time to be playing around trying to get
[34:23] Speaker 1: a little try to try to try to go till
[34:25] Speaker 1: you get to the time and a half part on
[34:27] Speaker 1: the clock right but it is an interesting thing that
[34:30] Speaker 1: comes with with with streamers in boxing is there is
[34:34] Speaker 1: room for interesting things to happen because of that.
[34:38] Speaker 2: Yeah and i think that some of this may be
[34:39] Speaker 2: kind of like some of the wackiness that we've seen
[34:43] Speaker 2: with sports gambling of late you know we're starting to
[34:45] Speaker 2: become a little bit skeptical of like are people trying
[34:48] Speaker 2: to find ways to game these metrics, to get rich
[34:51] Speaker 2: off these little schemes and whatnot. I would say that
[34:55] Speaker 2: even in a situation where a fighter thought that they
[34:58] Speaker 2: could kind of string out a fight to boost viewership
[35:02] Speaker 2: numbers or length of viewership, the way to do that
[35:06] Speaker 2: is to add stuff in between fights. The production has
[35:09] Speaker 2: got you on that. If we could have a 25-minute
[35:13] Speaker 2: chat at the desk and that will string those numbers
[35:15] Speaker 2: out way longer than Anthony Joshua- jabbing and moving around
[35:20] Speaker 2: a little bit.
[35:20] Speaker 4: So great point if if someone wanted.
[35:23] Speaker 2: To doctor the numbers there are far easier ways to
[35:26] Speaker 2: do that than by moving a little bit more you
[35:28] Speaker 2: know what i mean.
[35:29] Speaker 1: No but this is and i would just say this
[35:31] Speaker 1: is this is me making a statement on the world
[35:34] Speaker 1: an interesting variable or and i don't know if that's
[35:36] Speaker 1: variables the right word but something that happens when you
[35:39] Speaker 1: make when we went from sales to streaming is that
[35:44] Speaker 1: take it for music for example I give you a CD.
[35:48] Speaker 1: You give me $ 13. That CD is yours. There are
[35:52] Speaker 1: a million reasons why you might have bought that CD.
[35:56] Speaker 1: You might have bought that CD because you love the cover.
[35:59] Speaker 1: You might have bought that CD because you have a
[36:01] Speaker 1: set of everything else that other artists ever did. You
[36:04] Speaker 1: may have bought that CD because you love one song.
[36:06] Speaker 1: You might have bought that CD because you love every
[36:08] Speaker 1: song on it. But in the end, it doesn't really matter.
[36:12] Speaker 1: Once you bought it, it's yours forever. to do whatever
[36:15] Speaker 1: you want to do with it, right? With streaming, the
[36:19] Speaker 1: only purpose of an album is to listen to it, right?
[36:25] Speaker 1: And I understand that for a lot of people, they're like, duh,
[36:28] Speaker 1: it's music. That's why I bought it.
[36:29] Speaker 4: Yes and no.
[36:30] Speaker 1: I can take you over to this collection of vinyl
[36:33] Speaker 1: I got, and I can show you the things that
[36:35] Speaker 1: I bought because I like the covers. I can show
[36:38] Speaker 1: you the things for whatever reason. That is the reason
[36:42] Speaker 1: why I have the thing.
[36:43] Speaker 4: Streaming and.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Pay-per-view was interesting because that's a sale. You have bought
[36:50] Speaker 1: this fight. Maybe you bought it to watch it by yourself.
[36:52] Speaker 1: Maybe you bought it to invite everybody over and to
[36:54] Speaker 1: have a party or whatever it is. But in the end,
[36:57] Speaker 1: you just bought it. Netflix is like, we are selling
[36:59] Speaker 1: you whole Netflix.
[37:02] Speaker 4: Right? Do you got Netflix?
[37:04] Speaker 1: Okay, we're just trying to keep you rolling over Netflix,
[37:08] Speaker 1: and we just want.
[37:09] Speaker 4: You to watch this for as long as you possibly can.
[37:12] Speaker 1: And so now they do have more of an incentive
[37:15] Speaker 1: to make the production better.
[37:17] Speaker 4: They do have more of.
[37:18] Speaker 1: An incentive to make it like an event, a reason
[37:20] Speaker 1: for you to keep your Netflix.
[37:22] Speaker 2: No, that's exactly it.
[37:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's- I'm sorry, Ray Fast, I'll say this. Spotify,
[37:28] Speaker 1: the record label's on Spotify, yeah, but there's always a
[37:30] Speaker 1: million different joints over there, right? Netflix is selling you
[37:33] Speaker 1: this fight. The platform is giving you this fight. They
[37:37] Speaker 1: need this fight to be good.
[37:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and the one thing that streaming can do
[37:42] Speaker 2: that we didn't get from pay-per-view before is there's an
[37:45] Speaker 2: immediacy of reporting of how popular the fight was. which
[37:49] Speaker 2: is part of their branding and their sales, right? Like
[37:53] Speaker 2: we all want to be a part of something big
[37:55] Speaker 2: and it could feel a little bit yucky sometimes, you know,
[37:59] Speaker 2: when a company is selling you, you know, WWE does
[38:03] Speaker 2: this a lot, right? You'll tune in, you'll watch WWE
[38:05] Speaker 2: and it'll say like, this is how many people were watches,
[38:08] Speaker 2: how much money we made. And it's supposed to make
[38:10] Speaker 2: you feel good because you were a part of something big.
[38:14] Speaker 2: Streaming now, because they could just tell you, this is
[38:16] Speaker 2: how many people watched last night. Before, we kind of
[38:19] Speaker 2: had to– there were like a handful of reporters that
[38:23] Speaker 2: knew the people that could give you a sometimes accurate number.
[38:26] Speaker 2: Sometimes accurate number. You didn't know who to trust. But
[38:30] Speaker 2: you could say the same thing now too, right? It's
[38:32] Speaker 2: just a single entity that's reporting how many people are watching.
[38:36] Speaker 2: Can someone check that?
[38:37] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[38:38] Speaker 2: Like that's added a new element to– I guess boxing reporting,
[38:43] Speaker 2: sports reporting also, is that that used to be kind
[38:47] Speaker 2: of like that was the thing, the crown jewel of
[38:50] Speaker 2: reporting is like, did you get the pay-per-view numbers first?
[38:53] Speaker 2: And that's kind of just been taken away from us.
[38:56] Speaker 1: This is me talking now, not Corey. Boy, sure is interesting.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Now Netflix wants you to have the metrics.
[39:03] Speaker 3: Hmm.
[39:05] Speaker 1: Those of us who work in this business, it's a
[39:06] Speaker 1: notorious thing, the black box of Netflix.
[39:08] Speaker 4: They're like, oh, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.
[39:10] Speaker 4: Let me tell you how many people got out here
[39:11] Speaker 4: in this fight.
[39:12] Speaker 1: Right.
[39:12] Speaker 4: Do whatever they want. And that's me talking, not Corey talking.
[39:16] Speaker 2: That's correct.
[39:16] Speaker 1: Now, seamlessly switch topics because I have my Canadian buddy here.
[39:21] Speaker 4: How's your country doing?
[39:22] Speaker 2: Despite the Mexican hat, yeah.
[39:24] Speaker 4: Oh, yes, you do have the Mexican hat. You just
[39:25] Speaker 4: hold it down for all of North America, baby. That's right.
[39:28] Speaker 1: But y'all doing okay up there, man? Like, I know
[39:31] Speaker 1: this team, this team Canada hockey thing. I was up
[39:35] Speaker 1: there at Banff and It was very clear. It was
[39:38] Speaker 1: a very important weekend up there. Like I said, it
[39:40] Speaker 1: was fun being in a place where the white Olympics
[39:42] Speaker 1: are the Olympics. These ain't the other Olympics to them.
[39:48] Speaker 4: These are the Olympics. But it seemed like y'all was
[39:50] Speaker 4: a little bit salty up there about the outcome of
[39:52] Speaker 4: the match.
[39:52] Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, they real happy down here, brother.
[39:55] Speaker 4: Real happy. That's right.
[39:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:57] Speaker 2: You know how Canada is coping with it. We're saying like, Well,
[40:00] Speaker 2: we would have won that game 95 times out of 100.
[40:03] Speaker 2: It was clear who the better team on the ice was.
[40:06] Speaker 2: That's how the country is coping with it. Also, they
[40:10] Speaker 2: have found their enemy, particularly here in Toronto, because of
[40:13] Speaker 2: course the captain of the Maple Leafs, Austin Matthews.
[40:16] Speaker 4: Oh, he's American.
[40:17] Speaker 2: He went on the visit to the White House and
[40:20] Speaker 2: he was the captain of the team.
[40:21] Speaker 4: Oh, even the Mexican dude?
[40:24] Speaker 1: For those who don't know, hockey has come so far
[40:27] Speaker 1: that One of the best players in the league is
[40:29] Speaker 1: a Mexican dude from Phoenix named Austin.
[40:31] Speaker 2: That's right.
[40:33] Speaker 4: It's a lot going on with that.
[40:34] Speaker 1: So what is so interesting about that is, you know,
[40:37] Speaker 1: you guys, that Trump thing, man, you guys still seem
[40:40] Speaker 1: a little salty with that, and understandably so, right? Like
[40:43] Speaker 1: the whole tariff situation and everything else. And Canada kind
[40:46] Speaker 1: of like, yo, we've been good to y'all. We've been
[40:48] Speaker 1: a great neighbor. I don't understand, like, why you treating
[40:52] Speaker 1: us like this.
[40:53] Speaker 4: It's all there. It all makes sense. Now, of course.
[40:57] Speaker 1: I get the feeling the Canadian hockey team is also
[41:00] Speaker 1: full of a bunch of Trumpers also. But you don't
[41:03] Speaker 1: have to think about your own team, right? You just
[41:05] Speaker 1: got to look at, they're hanging, like, your arch nemesis
[41:11] Speaker 1: is hanging out with your enemy at the State of
[41:13] Speaker 1: the Union. And y'all are all just whooping it up, boy. Canada,
[41:18] Speaker 1: tough week for Canada, man.
[41:20] Speaker 2: It's a good point you just made, by the way, about, like,
[41:22] Speaker 2: the goalie of the Canadian team, Jordan Bennington.
[41:25] Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.
[41:26] Speaker 2: He might not be upset if Canada became.
[41:28] Speaker 4: The 51st state.
[41:30] Speaker 2: I'm just going to say. So there are some people
[41:34] Speaker 2: on that team that probably are like feeling that like
[41:37] Speaker 2: geopolitical tug. But I think there are others that are
[41:39] Speaker 2: just really upset that they lost a hockey game. But
[41:42] Speaker 2: the rest of the country does not feel that way.
[41:44] Speaker 4: Corey, it's so many people down here. I mentioned this.
[41:47] Speaker 1: We sent a clip out on the internet that I'm
[41:49] Speaker 1: sure the internet didn't like because they were thinking about
[41:51] Speaker 1: it in ways that I was not because I don't
[41:52] Speaker 1: really be paying too much attention to a lot of
[41:54] Speaker 1: this stuff, at least not in the ways that I
[41:55] Speaker 1: used to. But I said America's relationship with Team USA
[41:58] Speaker 1: hockey is the healthiest relationship it has in sports.
[42:00] Speaker 4: If they win, everybody's happy.
[42:02] Speaker 1: As long as they don't tear up the hotel when
[42:03] Speaker 1: they lose, nobody's really tripping, right? By then, Cash Patel
[42:08] Speaker 1: had already been in the locker room.
[42:12] Speaker 4: That guy. Um, anyway, but you know, but we already
[42:15] Speaker 4: had that.
[42:15] Speaker 1: We had, we had the Trump thing go up, but
[42:17] Speaker 1: team USA became a divisive group.
[42:21] Speaker 3: Right.
[42:22] Speaker 1: And they, they, they go to the state of the
[42:23] Speaker 1: union and I'm going to be honest with you. I
[42:27] Speaker 1: just don't feel like anything I would ever want to
[42:29] Speaker 1: go to anyway.
[42:31] Speaker 4: Right.
[42:31] Speaker 1: Like, it's not like, like there's a lot of things
[42:33] Speaker 1: that Trump might invite me to where it's like, damn,
[42:35] Speaker 1: I guess I got to go the state of the union.
[42:37] Speaker 4: Why would I want to go do that?
[42:38] Speaker 2: It was like three and a half hours long. Wasn't it?
[42:41] Speaker 4: You got to stand there the whole time. No, it's
[42:44] Speaker 4: just like this.
[42:45] Speaker 1: I've never once watched the State of the Union and
[42:47] Speaker 1: been like, damn, wouldn't it be cool.
[42:48] Speaker 4: To be there?
[42:50] Speaker 2: Also, when the catering, the catering's McDonald's. It's not even
[42:54] Speaker 2: like you get to hang out in the green room
[42:56] Speaker 2: and be like, well, it was a long time, but
[42:57] Speaker 2: like to check out the spread.
[43:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me tell you what else is in
[43:01] Speaker 1: that room for Team USA Hockey, and I could be wrong.
[43:04] Speaker 1: That is a room full of people they've never heard of. Like,
[43:08] Speaker 1: I don't feel like there's anybody in that room other
[43:11] Speaker 1: than Trump that they're like, yo, I can't wait to
[43:13] Speaker 1: meet him. Like, somebody's introducing him to J.D. Vance, and
[43:16] Speaker 1: they're like, cool, so what do you do? Where do
[43:20] Speaker 1: you work?
[43:21] Speaker 4: Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. I knew that. I voted
[43:26] Speaker 4: for you.
[43:31] Speaker 2: Listen, it's– you got to remember too like our prime minister,
[43:35] Speaker 2: like Mark Carney, played hockey at Harvard, like still plays hockey.
[43:40] Speaker 2: Like that's how much Canada cares about hockey, right? To
[43:44] Speaker 2: your point, like this is our Olympics. We also have
[43:47] Speaker 2: the fastest man in the world. That gets– that gets
[43:51] Speaker 2: shoved aside.
[43:52] Speaker 4: Like, did we win gold in curling?
[43:54] Speaker 2: Did we win hockey?
[43:56] Speaker 4: That's all that matters.
[43:57] Speaker 1: So I actually am curious about this and I feel
[43:59] Speaker 1: like I sound so ignorant, but I never asked this
[44:01] Speaker 1: when we worked together, which is like, everybody loves curling
[44:04] Speaker 1: during the Olympics. I'm assuming that like, I don't like,
[44:06] Speaker 1: y'all ain't watching curling in off years.
[44:09] Speaker 4: I don't imagine, but like.
[44:11] Speaker 2: I'm not, but some people are. Curling is still on
[44:13] Speaker 2: national TV a lot. So like, are the best curlers
[44:18] Speaker 2: like famous? Some of them are kind of famous, like
[44:21] Speaker 2: a little bit. They have sponsorship deals. Curling has, much
[44:30] Speaker 2: like boxing, it has its fan base that is definitely
[44:33] Speaker 2: not going to go away. And it's also one of
[44:36] Speaker 2: those sports where once you pass a certain age, when
[44:39] Speaker 2: you get into adulthood and you just want to kind
[44:42] Speaker 2: of find community, but you don't want to tear an ACL,
[44:45] Speaker 2: you can curl. And so people get into curling a
[44:48] Speaker 2: little bit later in life in the way that they
[44:50] Speaker 2: would with golf.
[44:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. So I want to throw something out to you.
[44:54] Speaker 1: Ryan just ran this by me and I hadn't really
[44:55] Speaker 1: thought about it, but this is an interesting discussion, right?
[44:59] Speaker 1: How many MVPs is that boy Connor McDavid one in
[45:02] Speaker 1: the NHL?
[45:03] Speaker 4: Is it like three of them at this point?
[45:04] Speaker 2: I think so.
[45:05] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. He's the best player in the NHL. We, we,
[45:08] Speaker 1: I feel like we agree on that one or two.
[45:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
[45:10] Speaker 1: Right. Hockey is very similar to basketball in the sense that,
[45:16] Speaker 1: Even though it's all these waves of players, it is
[45:18] Speaker 1: very much so a best player wins sort of sport.
[45:21] Speaker 1: They're not too many great hockey players who have not
[45:24] Speaker 1: won a Stanley Cup.
[45:26] Speaker 4: I think that's fair to say. I think if you
[45:27] Speaker 4: were to ask somebody, who's the best?
[45:30] Speaker 1: We have the Charles Barkley, Karl Malone type of discussion there.
[45:33] Speaker 1: In hockey, I don't even know who you pull up
[45:36] Speaker 1: as being that person, except the answer is obvious now.
[45:39] Speaker 1: It's Conor McDavid. Brian raises the question, is he Josh
[45:43] Speaker 1: Allen for the NHL? I don't know if that means
[45:48] Speaker 1: that everybody's just rooting for him and makes excuses when
[45:50] Speaker 1: he doesn't.
[45:51] Speaker 2: No, listen, I think that is an excellent comparison.
[45:55] Speaker 4: It also.
[45:56] Speaker 2: Josh Allen is also Canada's quarterback for the most part too, right?
[45:59] Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.
[46:00] Speaker 2: So Canada has Josh Allen and Connor McDavid. Yeah, people
[46:04] Speaker 2: feel terrible for him, right? And I think that it
[46:07] Speaker 2: hasn't turned into– the discourse that I've seen around McDavid
[46:12] Speaker 2: hasn't quite turn the corner around like, oh, he's a
[46:14] Speaker 2: choke artist or something like that is more people feel
[46:18] Speaker 2: bad for him. It's sympathy because he keeps getting to
[46:21] Speaker 2: Stanley Cup Olympic final and then not winning. But he's
[46:25] Speaker 2: also been the best player on the planet for a
[46:27] Speaker 2: long time. And probably he's the best hockey player that
[46:30] Speaker 2: we've ever seen with our two eyes, like the skill
[46:32] Speaker 2: level of hockey, much like it is in basketball now.
[46:35] Speaker 2: is off the charts. He is the best, him and
[46:38] Speaker 2: Nathan McKinnon are the best hockey players we've ever seen
[46:41] Speaker 2: in our lives. And he hasn't won the championship yet.
[46:43] Speaker 2: And it does, with every passing year, that window starts
[46:47] Speaker 2: to close.
[46:48] Speaker 1: So how much different would this be if he did
[46:50] Speaker 1: not play for Edmonton, but instead he played for the
[46:54] Speaker 1: Maple Leafs? And for those who don't follow hockey that closely,
[46:57] Speaker 1: the Maple Leafs are the Knicks.
[47:00] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, they are the Knicks.
[47:01] Speaker 1: They are in the city that is seen as like
[47:04] Speaker 1: the epicenter of, of the game. It's the biggest hockey town.
[47:09] Speaker 1: It's the biggest hockey town in the world. There's no
[47:12] Speaker 1: way around this. Basketball, New York is the biggest basketball city.
[47:15] Speaker 4: And 1968? 60... Yeah, wait.
[47:19] Speaker 2: What was the last?
[47:21] Speaker 4: I think it's 68. Did you get that right? I
[47:23] Speaker 4: think it's like 68.
[47:24] Speaker 1: It might be 64, but I think it's 60 round number.
[47:27] Speaker 4: 67. No, yeah, we're right there. We're right there.
[47:30] Speaker 1: 67. That's how long it's been since they've won one,
[47:32] Speaker 1: and they find incredible ways to lose it.
[47:35] Speaker 4: Yes, they do.
[47:36] Speaker 2: So your question is, would it be different if he
[47:38] Speaker 2: played on the Leafs? Yes, because Austin Matthews is feeling
[47:43] Speaker 2: that right now. He has been, you know, a top three,
[47:45] Speaker 2: somewhere between top three to top five NHL player for
[47:48] Speaker 2: a while. Hasn't made it to the Stanley Cup, obviously
[47:51] Speaker 2: hasn't won a Stanley Cup. And yeah, you get the
[47:54] Speaker 2: heat that you do for being the excellent player that
[47:57] Speaker 2: could score 60 goals in the regular season and then
[47:59] Speaker 2: not win in the finals. McDavid would be feeling that
[48:02] Speaker 2: heat if he played in Toronto because he plays... in
[48:05] Speaker 2: Edmonton where they are also very hockey rabid. You were
[48:08] Speaker 2: just in Alberta. You felt it there, but they're also
[48:11] Speaker 2: a heck of a lot more forgiving.
[48:13] Speaker 4: Well, they've also won like five of them. That's the
[48:17] Speaker 4: other thing. Since the last time. Exactly, exactly.
[48:20] Speaker 2: They had their dynasties. They're like, you know, we're cool still.
[48:23] Speaker 1: You know, a dynasty powered by cocaine.
[48:28] Speaker 4: Allegedly, allegedly. Is it even a legend?
[48:32] Speaker 2: And then they blamed it on the goalie.
[48:34] Speaker 4: That's not my thing. Blame it on who?
[48:37] Speaker 2: But remember, they blamed it on Grant Fuhrer.
[48:39] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
[48:39] Speaker 4: What kind of goalie? What kind of goalie did they
[48:41] Speaker 4: blame it on?
[48:42] Speaker 2: They blamed it on the black goalie.
[48:44] Speaker 4: Allegedly. The one black dude in the league.
[48:46] Speaker 2: Allegedly.
[48:47] Speaker 4: Allegedly blamed it on the one black dude in the league.
[48:51] Speaker 1: Like, I'm trying to think of what, if there was a,
[48:53] Speaker 1: because there was the Pittsburgh cocaine thing in baseball, but
[48:56] Speaker 1: you didn't have a situation where it's like, hey, the
[48:58] Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls won six championships in eight years.
[49:01] Speaker 4: Oh, in cocaine.
[49:02] Speaker 1: No.
[49:05] Speaker 2: Although like in that time period, like, are we naive
[49:08] Speaker 2: enough to think that this wasn't a thing?
[49:12] Speaker 1: It was, it was the eighties and oil was booming
[49:16] Speaker 1: and it's in Edmonton whose team is called the Oilers.
[49:20] Speaker 1: just so you understand what edmonton is talking about wow
[49:23] Speaker 1: oilers and they got the town with the big old rodeo.
[49:26] Speaker 2: That's right and to bring it all the way back
[49:28] Speaker 2: around all of your favorite boxers from the 80s who
[49:31] Speaker 2: did all those great.
[49:31] Speaker 4: Things yes Yes. All of them had the problem.
[49:36] Speaker 2: Some of whom I'm friends with and would openly tell
[49:39] Speaker 2: you that there was a lot of cocaine in that era.
[49:42] Speaker 1: Yo, man, we're in this new wild time now where
[49:44] Speaker 1: it's become okay for people to talk about using cocaine.
[49:47] Speaker 4: And I'm like, when did that happen? That's bananas.
[49:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think two things are happening. Number one, it's
[49:56] Speaker 2: just okay to talk about using cocaine. Number two, I
[50:00] Speaker 2: think you're just expected to go on podcasts and say
[50:02] Speaker 2: crazy stuff because then it'll just make you more money.
[50:05] Speaker 2: And one of the craziest things you can talk about
[50:07] Speaker 2: is how much cocaine you did in the 1980s.
[50:09] Speaker 3: It is.
[50:10] Speaker 4: And now, like I say, the new thing.
[50:12] Speaker 1: Did you watch that? It wasn't Guess Who's Coming to Dinner,
[50:14] Speaker 1: but the Eddie Murphy. It was Eddie Murphy, Jonah Hill,
[50:19] Speaker 1: Laura London, Julia Louis-Dreyfus. They did the whole interracial dating thing.
[50:24] Speaker 1: And that movie at the end got Eddie Murphy going
[50:26] Speaker 1: with the white boys on the bachelor party. And they
[50:28] Speaker 1: started using cocaine in front of him. And somehow Eddie
[50:31] Speaker 1: Murphy was wrong. Thinking that was crazy. They were like, yeah, they.
[50:36] Speaker 4: Were just having a good time. I'm like, yo! When
[50:39] Speaker 4: did this happen?
[50:43] Speaker 2: It's never been my drug of choice.
[50:45] Speaker 4: No, no, no. Not the way to go.
[50:46] Speaker 1: But it's also, look, NHL is always so funny.
[50:48] Speaker 4: Now everybody's kind of like this. But, you know, there's always.
[50:50] Speaker 1: Been the obvious discussion about the inverse relationship between punishment
[50:54] Speaker 1: for drugs and the level of whiteness of your sport, right?
[50:58] Speaker 4: The more whiteness, the less drug enforcement.
[51:00] Speaker 1: But my favorite was where the NHL's drug policy was,
[51:03] Speaker 1: if you tested positive, they just called.
[51:05] Speaker 4: You to see if you was okay. Yeah, are you
[51:08] Speaker 4: doing all right?
[51:09] Speaker 2: Well, apparently now, so like the big thing, like in hockey,
[51:12] Speaker 2: hockey used to have a big drinking culture, right? Like
[51:15] Speaker 2: same with baseball. It would be like you get into
[51:18] Speaker 2: the locker room and people would just be like hockey
[51:20] Speaker 2: and beer were synonymous, still are. But there was a
[51:23] Speaker 2: story that came out last year that apparently that's all changed.
[51:27] Speaker 2: And now most of the NHL players, their thing is
[51:29] Speaker 2: they get off the ice and they are right into
[51:32] Speaker 2: the edibles.
[51:33] Speaker 4: Interesting.
[51:34] Speaker 2: So that's apparently the new hockey thing.
[51:36] Speaker 1: Hey, man, speaking of new and hockey things, have you
[51:38] Speaker 1: watched this heated rivalry show?
[51:40] Speaker 2: I have not watched it yet, but I'm fully in
[51:42] Speaker 2: support of heated rivalry. Go watch heated rivalry.
[51:44] Speaker 4: I haven't watched it. I've only heard of it.
[51:45] Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't know, it's about
[51:48] Speaker 1: hockey players that be having sex with each other.
[51:50] Speaker 2: That's right.
[51:51] Speaker 1: And as the friends of mine who watched it explained
[51:54] Speaker 1: to me, It is very clearly a show that's like
[51:57] Speaker 1: geared toward women. Like they went into these very detailed
[52:00] Speaker 1: explanations of the physical characteristics of the guys play it.
[52:03] Speaker 4: And they're like, no, no, no.
[52:04] Speaker 1: This is like this is for women to watch. But
[52:08] Speaker 1: I have wondered, like in hockey world, how this like
[52:11] Speaker 1: goes over, because on one hand, I'm sure it's the
[52:13] Speaker 1: guys that's like, oh, come on, this isn't how we are.
[52:16] Speaker 4: And then the others, that's like, I mean, it's not
[52:18] Speaker 4: not how we are.
[52:20] Speaker 2: I think that that's pretty much exactly what the reaction is.
[52:23] Speaker 2: It's either people were like, this is great. Or some
[52:26] Speaker 2: people would be like, I'm never going to watch that.
[52:27] Speaker 2: And obviously they're just going to be, you know, hateful people.
[52:30] Speaker 4: Whatever.
[52:31] Speaker 2: The funniest thing is that, like, that is a series
[52:33] Speaker 2: of books. So that author that wrote that, Rachel Reed, and,
[52:37] Speaker 2: you know, shout out to Rachel Reed. She's going through
[52:38] Speaker 2: some health troubles right now. But she just writes gay
[52:43] Speaker 2: hockey erotica, one after another. And it was clear that
[52:46] Speaker 2: this heated rivalry, it's obvious that the two, the protagonists
[52:50] Speaker 2: are supposed to be Crosby and Ovechkin. It's just fanfic.
[52:53] Speaker 4: About Crosby and Ovechkin. Oh, one of those Russian?
[52:54] Speaker 3: Yes.
[52:55] Speaker 4: Yes. Oh, no.
[52:58] Speaker 2: But listen, shout out to Canadian television, which you and
[53:01] Speaker 2: I used to make some money off of. I was
[53:04] Speaker 2: about to say a lot of money. That would be untrue. But,
[53:08] Speaker 2: you know, for four million bucks or whatever the budget
[53:10] Speaker 2: of that show was, it wasn't a whole lot. They
[53:12] Speaker 2: made a worldwide hit. So shout out to Canadian television
[53:17] Speaker 2: and to the author, Rachel.
[53:18] Speaker 1: Let me tell you, shows like that are a very
[53:21] Speaker 1: interesting test of one's progressiveness right like i i admit
[53:27] Speaker 1: that um i have theoretical beliefs that are challenged when
[53:32] Speaker 1: you ask me to watch it right like we're not
[53:35] Speaker 1: talking and i'm not talking about this watching some cats
[53:38] Speaker 1: hold hands or like see them be in love or
[53:40] Speaker 1: even kiss like did you ever.
[53:41] Speaker 2: Watch p valley I didn't watch P-Valley, no.
[53:44] Speaker 1: Okay, so P-Valley is a show about a strip club
[53:47] Speaker 1: in like somewhere between Memphis, northern Mississippi, Memphis, you know,
[53:50] Speaker 1: that area. And a significant storyline is it is, I
[53:56] Speaker 1: don't even know how to describe the person that runs
[53:59] Speaker 1: the club, right? But someone who when was born was
[54:03] Speaker 1: definitely said was a man, but who definitely does not
[54:07] Speaker 1: dress or comport themselves as one. I don't remember the
[54:12] Speaker 1: specific classification. But he winds up in a love affair
[54:16] Speaker 1: with a closeted gangster rapper. And that show has sex
[54:21] Speaker 1: scenes with men. And I simply cannot tell if those
[54:26] Speaker 1: are the longest sex scenes in the history of sex
[54:29] Speaker 1: scenes or.
[54:30] Speaker 4: It just feels that way. I can't tell. But it's like, yo,
[54:36] Speaker 4: I feel like we've been here for 15 minutes.
[54:39] Speaker 2: I understand.
[54:40] Speaker 4: It's a test. It's a test. And look, if you're not.
[54:44] Speaker 1: I don't think that there's necessarily a shame in not
[54:48] Speaker 1: feeling comfortable with something, honestly, you've never seen before, right?
[54:52] Speaker 4: Like, it's a whole new thing. I get it.
[54:54] Speaker 1: But I also fully recognize that I have a rhetoric
[54:59] Speaker 1: that I offer that is immediately challenged by me being like,
[55:03] Speaker 1: that dude is on his knees with a condom in
[55:05] Speaker 1: his mouth. And I don't understand why we need to
[55:08] Speaker 1: see that.
[55:09] Speaker 2: We understand what's going on here.
[55:11] Speaker 4: I don't, like, I get the hit. I get the hit. Like,
[55:13] Speaker 4: it's like, oh, whoa, is that me? Is that me?
[55:15] Speaker 2: But you see, Bo, this is all a part of
[55:17] Speaker 2: the streaming conspiracy to keep the length of your viewing up.
[55:23] Speaker 1: I mean, I got to say, that strategy, it could
[55:26] Speaker 1: be intended to keep it going or that could have
[55:28] Speaker 1: unfortunate consequences for their bottom line. That's right.
[55:32] Speaker 4: Depending on who the person is. That's right. Where it's like, okay,
[55:34] Speaker 4: the one thing streaming lets you do is streaming lets
[55:36] Speaker 4: you hit.
[55:36] Speaker 1: Fast forward and see exactly how far this thing has gone.
[55:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. What was the TiVo sound you used to
[55:42] Speaker 2: make when you fast forward?
[55:43] Speaker 4: Boop, boop. That's right.
[55:46] Speaker 1: I did not realize that they were making it like
[55:48] Speaker 1: Crosby Ovechkin. Has anybody asked Ovechkin about it?
[55:52] Speaker 2: Most certainly not.
[55:53] Speaker 4: I don't think so.
[55:55] Speaker 1: My favorite quote of all time in this broad realm
[55:59] Speaker 1: was when Dennis Rodman was with the Spurs. You may
[56:02] Speaker 1: remember there was a Sports Illustrated cover story of him.
[56:06] Speaker 1: I think Mike Silver wrote it. And it was a
[56:08] Speaker 1: really big deal. And one of the things that he
[56:10] Speaker 1: talked about in this article that came out during the
[56:12] Speaker 1: playoffs is his belief that all men had fantasies, sexual
[56:18] Speaker 1: fantasies about other men. And they asked Akeem Olajuwon about this. Now,
[56:24] Speaker 1: this was Olajuwon after Akeem with an H, right? This
[56:28] Speaker 1: is after he chilled out a little bit in life,
[56:31] Speaker 1: I suppose, but who's to say? It could have been
[56:32] Speaker 1: anything else. Anyway, they came and asked Akeem about it.
[56:36] Speaker 1: And Akeem was like, you know, sometimes you think something
[56:44] Speaker 1: And you think because you think that. Then everybody thinks
[56:50] Speaker 1: the same thing.
[56:52] Speaker 4: He is wrong.
[57:04] Speaker 2: And so this was pre-H Olajuwon, right?
[57:08] Speaker 4: No, this is post-H.
[57:08] Speaker 2: This is post-H, okay.
[57:10] Speaker 4: I am terrified to consider what pre-H.
[57:14] Speaker 2: Was pre-H the one that fought Mad Max in the
[57:17] Speaker 2: locker room, or was that that was H?
[57:18] Speaker 4: I think that was pre, but it's possible.
[57:21] Speaker 1: Pre-H is the one that was just punching people in
[57:23] Speaker 1: the face.
[57:24] Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, yeah, yeah. In games.
[57:26] Speaker 1: My brother has a friend who played high-level college basketball.
[57:32] Speaker 4: Like, he was a starter on a SEC team.
[57:35] Speaker 1: And he said he used to go to a lot
[57:37] Speaker 1: of games, Rockets games, whatever he was able to get tickets.
[57:39] Speaker 1: He'd be sitting down close, and Olajuwon, referee make a call,
[57:44] Speaker 1: Olajuwon didn't like, this is Aki with an A, right?
[57:47] Speaker 1: Olajuwon stopped, pointed at the ref and go, suck my dick!
[57:58] Speaker 4: And they like, what?
[57:59] Speaker 1: So, to give you the proper contrast, Olajuwon with an H,
[58:03] Speaker 1: I talked to somebody who worked for the Rockets during
[58:05] Speaker 1: that time, and when the refs would make a call
[58:08] Speaker 1: that Olajuwon did not like, this is what would get
[58:10] Speaker 1: them to tech.
[58:12] Speaker 4: God will judge you for that. God's like, what did
[58:16] Speaker 4: you just say to me? God will judge you. What?
[58:24] Speaker 2: What's the worst punishment? Eternal damnation or non-consensual sex? I
[58:28] Speaker 2: don't know.
[58:28] Speaker 4: Put it on.
[58:33] Speaker 1: The scale.
[58:34] Speaker 4: Last question for Corey Hartman.
[58:36] Speaker 1: I haven't asked anybody this in a while, but I
[58:38] Speaker 1: feel like we're on such a roll that you could
[58:39] Speaker 1: give a good answer for this.
[58:41] Speaker 4: And if you don't have one off the top of
[58:42] Speaker 4: your head, it's fine.
[58:44] Speaker 1: What would be the funniest name that could turn up
[58:48] Speaker 1: in the Epstein files?
[58:50] Speaker 4: Oh, man.
[58:52] Speaker 2: Funniest name that could turn up in the Epstein files?
[58:54] Speaker 2: That's a good question.
[58:57] Speaker 1: I have a new answer for this that I think
[58:59] Speaker 1: you might agree with. What if Don King turned up
[59:03] Speaker 1: in the Epstein files? These are people of Don King's
[59:08] Speaker 1: political persuasion.
[59:11] Speaker 2: Would this be the time that Don King lost a
[59:13] Speaker 2: court case, if that were the case?
[59:17] Speaker 4: It hasn't happened yet.
[59:19] Speaker 1: I can imagine, though, Don King's reaction being like, whoa.
[59:22] Speaker 4: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[59:24] Speaker 2: Don King's like 100 years old. He's got Adrian Broner
[59:27] Speaker 2: under a contract right now.
[59:28] Speaker 1: He's still opening the briefcase and locking guys in.
[59:33] Speaker 4: It's still doing it.
[59:34] Speaker 1: Don King walks into one of them parties and when
[59:37] Speaker 1: it's alleged to have gone down, it's going down.
[59:38] Speaker 4: Don King is walking right the fuck out.
[59:41] Speaker 2: See you later. Yeah.
[59:43] Speaker 1: Like, oh, here's another one that could have been funny, though.
[59:45] Speaker 1: I guess the time period doesn't match. Imagine if James
[59:49] Speaker 1: Brown walked into.
[59:49] Speaker 4: One of these parties. Hey, wait a minute. What y'all
[59:53] Speaker 4: over there doing? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, Mr. Trump.
[59:59] Speaker 3: No, sir.
[59:59] Speaker 4: Can't do that. Everybody gonna go to jail for this.
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: Ain't send, ain't send Jay Brown up.
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: Man, Don, I love that Don just can't quit. He
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: will never, he will never give this up.
[1:00:15] Speaker 4: Dot, Dot, remember when we did that interview with Dot?
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:00:18] Speaker 4: That was so much fun.
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: Yes. You weren't going to tell me about your Manny
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: Pacquiao interview.
[1:00:23] Speaker 4: Okay. So last thing. Here we go. Here we go.
[1:00:25] Speaker 4: So we got Manny Pacquiao on HQ.
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: Um, And I had done my pre-show ritual before we
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: got on, perhaps a little more fervently than maybe I
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: should have.
[1:00:38] Speaker 4: But anyway, so we there and he's a tough interview, man. Right.
[1:00:43] Speaker 4: His English isn't very great. He's a very soft spoken man.
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: And somewhere at some point in the interview, it comes
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: up that he got a new single coming out. And
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: this is having this struggling interview. So Dan gets the
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: bright idea, even though this is dangerous because of the
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: way it works with publishing and stuff like that. If
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: somebody sings a song, you got to pay for it.
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: And so Dan encourages Pacquiao to sing his new single.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys have ever seen
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: Manny Pacquiao on Jimmy Kimmel singing.
[1:01:18] Speaker 4: It's a whole bit.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: But I've never known if Manny knows that it's a
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: bit because he is very serious. When he does the singing.
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: So Dan has asked Manny Pacquiao to sing this song.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him like.
[1:01:34] Speaker 4: No, don't do that.
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: Don't do that.
[1:01:36] Speaker 3: Don't do that.
[1:01:36] Speaker 4: Please don't do that. Please don't do that. Manny Pacquiao
[1:01:41] Speaker 4: starts singing that song.
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: And I reacted the same way that I did whenever
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: he was singing the song on a Jimmy Kimmel show.
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: And uproarious laughter begins to build right here below my sternum.
[1:01:56] Speaker 4: But I'm like, oh man, can't do that. Can't do that.
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: And so I start like closing my head, closing my head,
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: closing my eyes.
[1:02:05] Speaker 4: Right. And it keeps, laughter keeps, keeps brimming up. Right.
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: It was very similar to the time that I was
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: in a wedding and somebody started singing very badly, but
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: I was the best man.
[1:02:16] Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, what am I supposed to do? Right.
[1:02:18] Speaker 4: So it keeps going. And now I'm like, okay.
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: I got like my jaw, like the smile is coming.
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: I'm stretching out as far as I can. I'm closing
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: my eyes. I'm throwing my hands up.
[1:02:28] Speaker 4: I'm trying to bob my head. And I start, I
[1:02:31] Speaker 4: start like stumbling and laughing. And Dan, old Mr. Chaos, right?
[1:02:36] Speaker 4: Dan loving when some shit go off the rails. Not now.
[1:02:39] Speaker 4: Dan reaching across and punching me. And I'm like, all right,
[1:02:42] Speaker 4: I'm cool. Like I snap back.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: I got back to where I needed to be and
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: we got through it and I apologized to him, but
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: I should not have apologized to Dan.
[1:02:51] Speaker 4: This is your goddamn fault. You're the one that put
[1:02:54] Speaker 4: me in this horrible, uncomfortable position. But I'm like, why
[1:02:58] Speaker 4: are you mad? Of all the times, now it's my fault.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: Well, also like, how are you supposed to react? Like,
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: even if someone were a great singer, how are you
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: supposed to react in a satellite interview with, when someone
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: is just singing acapella. What am I, like, am I
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: supposed to, like, how am.
[1:03:16] Speaker 4: I supposed to react? Yeah, get the lighter out. Yeah, like,
[1:03:19] Speaker 4: what am I supposed to do? What do you want
[1:03:20] Speaker 4: me to do? I was dying, dying.
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't want to laugh in this
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: man's face, but obviously because he got, you know, manos
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: de Pietras, no one has.
[1:03:33] Speaker 4: Been able to, like, be real with him. Yeah.
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: No one's ever been real with him about his basketball.
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: Nobody's able to be real with him about his singing.
[1:03:44] Speaker 4: He was a senator at some point.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: Clearly, no one's been able to tell Manny Pacquiao no
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: in like 35 years.
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: And they still can't tell him that he can't box anymore.
[1:03:54] Speaker 4: Hey, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao. Coming in September.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: We'll have you back to talk about it then.
[1:04:02] Speaker 4: That is Corey Yardman.
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: Check him out on Netflix, The Zone. Basically, if it's boxing,
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: Corey is there. My brother, I appreciate you.
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: Love you, bro. We'll see you soon.
[1:04:10] Speaker 4: Love you too, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: for joining us here on The Right Time.
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: We do this four times a week. Ryan Brumley handles
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