# Coldplay Concert Mishap, Shane Gillis at ESPYs, Ranking Aaron Rodgers & Lamar Jackson

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 21 Jul 2025, 52 min.

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On today's episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones discusses a funny viral moment thanks to a Coldplay concert, Shane Gillis hosting the ESPYs and unveils a few more athletes for his 'top 25 athletes of the last 25 years' list. Bo begins the show by laughing over two co-workers being put on the jumbotron at a Coldplay concert holding each other and then ducking since they were having an affair (1:30). Bo moves onto the ESPYS where he thought comedian Shane Gillis who hosted hit some of his jokes "to the moon" (10:38). Then it was time for Bo to name athletes #20 through #16 to join his list of the top 25 athletes of the last 25 years, which included two quarterbacks, an Olympic swimmer, a baseball player and a wild card addition! (16:57) . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Buy 'The Right Time' merch: http://therighttimebomani.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater. We are going to resume our top 25
[0:24] Speaker 1: athletes of the last 25 years. This episode, stick around
[0:28] Speaker 1: with us. But guys, got to let you know something
[0:31] Speaker 1: just so you understand. We are taping a little bit
[0:34] Speaker 1: farther in advance than we typically do, especially for a Monday, right?
[0:38] Speaker 2: Which makes it impossible.
[0:39] Speaker 1: We can't exactly see into the future to tell you
[0:43] Speaker 1: what there is to talk about on Monday. And so
[0:46] Speaker 1: we was going to talk a little bit about something
[0:48] Speaker 1: involving Arch Manning because that's becoming a thing. But I
[0:51] Speaker 1: have to be honest with you. We are having a
[0:54] Speaker 1: morning that has involved some things that If I got
[1:01] Speaker 1: to record something right now, you're going to have to
[1:03] Speaker 1: hear me talk about them for a little bit.
[1:05] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:06] Speaker 1: Like very rarely am I in a situation where I'm
[1:08] Speaker 1: just going to put what I feel like talking about
[1:11] Speaker 1: ahead of the interest of the audience.
[1:12] Speaker 2: I don't really do that.
[1:14] Speaker 1: I also understand that you people have the shortest attention
[1:16] Speaker 1: spans in the world. So it's possible that maybe just
[1:19] Speaker 1: maybe you're not going to remember what this is that
[1:21] Speaker 1: we talk about right now. But I feel very confident
[1:24] Speaker 1: that you are in fact going to remember what it
[1:27] Speaker 1: is that we're talking about okay so minding my own
[1:31] Speaker 1: business i get up in the morning just got back
[1:34] Speaker 1: from vegas for work you know what i'm saying um
[1:38] Speaker 1: came across some you know i guess this is the
[1:41] Speaker 1: week that everybody found out about clay thompson and megan
[1:44] Speaker 1: the stallion i ain't gonna talk about that here right
[1:46] Speaker 1: now not not not yet you know what i'm saying
[1:49] Speaker 1: not not This is shout out to you, Clay Thompson,
[1:53] Speaker 1: by the way.
[1:53] Speaker 2: I will say this. This is the one thing I'm
[1:55] Speaker 2: going to say for Clay Thompson. And I think that
[1:57] Speaker 2: this is very, very important to note. Right.
[2:00] Speaker 1: While there was some measure of surprise that this is
[2:03] Speaker 1: where he wound up. Nobody's treating it like they did
[2:07] Speaker 1: when Russell Wilson turned up with Sierra. And trust there
[2:09] Speaker 1: were people surprised on the very same levels. But this
[2:13] Speaker 1: tells you that we think Clay is just a little
[2:15] Speaker 1: bit cooler. Just had that thought. But anyway, somebody has
[2:19] Speaker 1: sent me something about that. And then the next thing
[2:22] Speaker 1: I know, I look on, I think it must have
[2:24] Speaker 1: been the Twitter timeline. I don't think anybody sent it
[2:27] Speaker 1: to me. And they showed his clip of this couple, man.
[2:30] Speaker 2: And they look like they look so in love. You know,
[2:34] Speaker 2: they there. Right.
[2:35] Speaker 1: And they all wrapped up with each other. And apparently
[2:38] Speaker 1: they was at a Coldplay concert and the camera was
[2:41] Speaker 1: on them because they was on the Jumbotron. And they
[2:44] Speaker 1: was like the lady was in front, but it was
[2:46] Speaker 1: behind her with the arms wrapped all the way around.
[2:49] Speaker 1: You know, that's when you feeling it where it's like
[2:50] Speaker 1: it's like you hugging yourself.
[2:52] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? You go so hard with it.
[2:54] Speaker 1: Man, she looked up and saw that they was on
[2:56] Speaker 1: the jumbo tribe. Man, she put her hand over her
[2:59] Speaker 1: head and turned around. And then that white man that
[3:01] Speaker 1: was standing behind him. But I am going to say
[3:03] Speaker 1: that white man because he ducked like somebody started shooting.
[3:05] Speaker 1: And when I say that white man ducked like somebody
[3:08] Speaker 1: started shooting in your mind, you are probably thinking about
[3:11] Speaker 1: somebody hitting the ground immediately. No, that's why I said
[3:14] Speaker 1: like a white man when somebody started shooting, he ducked.
[3:18] Speaker 2: Took his time and got there.
[3:19] Speaker 1: I understand from the gray in his hair that he
[3:22] Speaker 1: probably is a little bit older and you can't hit
[3:23] Speaker 1: the ground quite in that same way. But they fully
[3:26] Speaker 1: understood that they were on the proverbial Summer Jam screen.
[3:33] Speaker 1: And Ryan, this video has captivated America. as we talk
[3:39] Speaker 1: about this, and I, well, let me go to you first. Like,
[3:43] Speaker 1: what was your thought upon seeing this?
[3:45] Speaker 3: I had several thoughts. My favorite part, and I think
[3:48] Speaker 3: you pointed this out on Twitter, is how much Chris
[3:50] Speaker 3: Martin clocked it immediately.
[3:52] Speaker 1: Yo, he was like, oh, yeah, either they're having an
[3:54] Speaker 1: affair or they're really shy.
[3:56] Speaker 2: They're having an affair, motherfucker.
[3:58] Speaker 1: You knew exactly what they was doing.
[4:00] Speaker 3: And you could almost hear, like, either the ba-dum-tsh or
[4:03] Speaker 3: the crickets. Yes. like afterwards but like he just clocks
[4:07] Speaker 3: it immediately secondly um just being that brazen to having
[4:13] Speaker 3: an affair at a very popular concert.
[4:16] Speaker 1: Yo so so this is the thing about that right
[4:20] Speaker 1: and that's that was what got me so this guy
[4:22] Speaker 1: because you know the internet they found out that he
[4:24] Speaker 1: was the ceo of something and she's the uh an
[4:28] Speaker 1: hr director yep Oh, that's that's what are y'all at
[4:33] Speaker 1: least what are y'all can't work here no more. Right.
[4:36] Speaker 1: Like like like this. This has happened. But that demographic. OK,
[4:40] Speaker 1: I was telling you about this many years ago. I
[4:42] Speaker 1: interviewed for a job with Jim Rohn and this was
[4:46] Speaker 1: back in the ringtone era. And he and I remember
[4:49] Speaker 1: the people that would just be around. <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>.
[4:53] Speaker 2: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>.
[4:55] Speaker 1: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> That's what it's called. That was
[4:57] Speaker 1: what everybody's ringtone was at the time. I am saying
[5:01] Speaker 1: that to simply say that those people at that concert,
[5:06] Speaker 1: the demographic is they friends.
[5:10] Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying?
[5:11] Speaker 1: The demographic is their colleagues. That's who's gonna be there.
[5:16] Speaker 1: Even if they ain't get you on the Jumbotron, somebody
[5:19] Speaker 1: there gonna see you. And what people need to understand
[5:22] Speaker 1: in this day and age, it's very simple. The technology
[5:25] Speaker 1: makes it easier to cheat than ever. It also makes
[5:27] Speaker 1: it easier to get caught. And so I seen somebody
[5:30] Speaker 1: on the internet or Twitter that was like, why would
[5:32] Speaker 1: you cheat somewhere with a Jumbotron Hey, buddy, you late.
[5:35] Speaker 1: Everywhere got a jumbotron. It's a goddamn camera everywhere you turn.
[5:39] Speaker 1: Anything could potentially happen directly in front of you. And
[5:42] Speaker 1: this and this could be your chance. The whole world
[5:47] Speaker 1: has a jumbotron and a jumbotron is in your pocket.
[5:50] Speaker 1: they ain't getting caught up right now because they got
[5:53] Speaker 1: caught on the jumbotron they get caught up right now
[5:55] Speaker 1: because they got caught on the internet they could have
[5:57] Speaker 1: been in the crowd and a fistfight broke out in
[5:59] Speaker 1: front of them and then somebody gonna see their face
[6:02] Speaker 1: and then boom they are on the jumbotron they are
[6:06] Speaker 1: hooked and i i am trying to think what do
[6:13] Speaker 1: you do under those circumstances right Because you can't, people
[6:20] Speaker 1: are like, he should have just leaned into it.
[6:21] Speaker 2: No, sir. No, sir.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Because you're already embarrassing your spouses by being caught doing this,
[6:29] Speaker 1: which is the grand transgression, right? You got to at
[6:34] Speaker 1: least look like you care that you just messed up.
[6:37] Speaker 1: Like somebody still got to go home.
[6:41] Speaker 3: You at least have to limit the footage. Right.
[6:44] Speaker 1: Right.
[6:45] Speaker 3: Like you just can't, you can't let it go on
[6:47] Speaker 3: a nanosecond longer than it has.
[6:49] Speaker 1: I mean, look, they just put up some really bad film, right?
[6:51] Speaker 1: And the film they put up was excellent film because
[6:54] Speaker 1: the reason they got caught on screen is because.
[6:56] Speaker 2: They look so in love.
[6:58] Speaker 3: So happy.
[6:58] Speaker 2: They look so happy.
[6:59] Speaker 1: The cameraman is like, oh shit, let's go ahead and
[7:02] Speaker 1: put them on the camera.
[7:04] Speaker 3: Of all the couples in the Coldplay concert, they decided
[7:07] Speaker 3: to show how much involved they were.
[7:09] Speaker 2: Only to misunderstand, right?
[7:11] Speaker 1: So they have already demonstrated to their spouses that they
[7:14] Speaker 1: got the real thing over there, right? You got to
[7:18] Speaker 1: at least look like, oh, man, I feel bad about
[7:22] Speaker 1: what has happened. That film had to be put up.
[7:28] Speaker 1: They did go ahead and put up that film. I
[7:31] Speaker 1: saw this reminded people of who them people on Good
[7:34] Speaker 1: Morning America? Buddy from Arkansas, TJ Holmes, and whoever that
[7:39] Speaker 1: woman was that he was with. I don't remember her name.
[7:42] Speaker 3: That one from a few years ago?
[7:43] Speaker 1: Yes.
[7:44] Speaker 3: I don't remember the names, but yes, that couple.
[7:46] Speaker 2: I will tell you this.
[7:48] Speaker 1: After this all happened, I saw them out one day
[7:55] Speaker 1: at lunch. They could not have looked happier. They couldn't
[8:04] Speaker 1: have possibly looked.
[8:06] Speaker 2: Look, they were beating. They was holding hands. They was
[8:10] Speaker 2: touching each other for.
[8:10] Speaker 3: No goddamn reason.
[8:12] Speaker 2: They were glowing. They looked ecstatic. Like, that's the same
[8:15] Speaker 2: thing here.
[8:16] Speaker 1: It's also the woman right next to them in the
[8:18] Speaker 1: shot who has realized what has happened. Yeah.
[8:22] Speaker 2: And it's just like.
[8:24] Speaker 3: The Larry David of the situation.
[8:25] Speaker 2: I can't believe this is.
[8:28] Speaker 1: Then there's the other guy who he realizes the camera's
[8:31] Speaker 1: now on him and he's on camera. So he just
[8:33] Speaker 1: looks at the camera and starts pumping his fist because
[8:36] Speaker 1: he's like, oh, clearly they don't want to be on screen.
[8:39] Speaker 1: I want like two different people in this moment of
[8:43] Speaker 1: great shame for these folks jumped in front of the camera.
[8:46] Speaker 3: The Jumbotron has that effect on people.
[8:48] Speaker 2: Oh my, which for me, it would be like the opposite, man.
[8:51] Speaker 2: I'm just.
[8:52] Speaker 1: I'm just going to throw it out there that I
[8:54] Speaker 1: feel like they need to stop doing this.
[8:58] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, like you gotta, I'm
[9:05] Speaker 2: going to throw this out here just as a thought.
[9:09] Speaker 1: There are certain couples who will be at an event
[9:12] Speaker 1: like this that you may not put on camera because
[9:17] Speaker 1: you recognize that those people may not want to be
[9:21] Speaker 1: seen on.
[9:22] Speaker 2: Camera, right?
[9:25] Speaker 1: For example, I went to a concert not that long
[9:29] Speaker 1: ago and I saw one of those couples and they
[9:32] Speaker 1: were with each other and those two were trying to
[9:34] Speaker 1: pretend like they were not a couple.
[9:37] Speaker 2: They were very clearly a couple. It was no doubt.
[9:41] Speaker 1: And what made it no doubt that they was a
[9:42] Speaker 1: couple was how hard they was working to try to
[9:45] Speaker 1: act like they wasn't a couple. They just wouldn't talking
[9:47] Speaker 1: to each other. They wouldn't give each other pound, nothing.
[9:49] Speaker 1: They just, just straight ahead. They was dressed nice and
[9:53] Speaker 1: not looking at each other, not talking to each other.
[9:55] Speaker 1: And I was like, y'all are a couple. We know this,
[9:58] Speaker 1: but they would never put them on. the screen because
[10:00] Speaker 1: they would understand and be protective of their privacy. And
[10:03] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, maybe you should try to do that
[10:05] Speaker 1: with everybody, right?
[10:07] Speaker 2: That's just putting it out there.
[10:08] Speaker 1: The idea that just because we came on a date
[10:12] Speaker 1: means that our date belongs to everybody is a foolish assumption, right?
[10:17] Speaker 1: So yes, there are people that want to be on
[10:18] Speaker 1: the Jumbotron. You can find them pretty easily. Many of
[10:22] Speaker 1: them came by themselves, right? That's all I'm saying. It's
[10:27] Speaker 1: all a thought out there for that situation. Cause I
[10:30] Speaker 1: personally can not stop laughing. This, this, this, between that
[10:37] Speaker 1: and Shane Gillis at the Espy's brother, I have gotten
[10:40] Speaker 1: great entertainment.
[10:40] Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say this right now.
[10:42] Speaker 1: Shane Gillis did not hit all of them out of
[10:45] Speaker 1: the park, but he had a couple of them to
[10:47] Speaker 1: the moon. I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
[10:50] Speaker 2: There are officially no more rules at that place.
[10:53] Speaker 3: The idea of Shane Gillis hosting the ESPYs even three
[10:59] Speaker 3: years ago, certainly, you know, seven or eight years ago
[11:02] Speaker 3: at ESPN, they've come a long way. Let's put it
[11:06] Speaker 3: that way.
[11:06] Speaker 1: Shane Gillis hosting the ESPYs and Eclipse talking about pumping bass.
[11:11] Speaker 2: I don't even think. I'm not even sure Saturday Night.
[11:18] Speaker 1: Live is putting together that collection of hosts and musical guests,
[11:23] Speaker 1: but I'm just watching these dudes talk about pumping cocaine
[11:26] Speaker 1: for the ESPYs crowd, like playing a damn near 25-year-old
[11:30] Speaker 1: cocaine carol with their new cocaine carol that they have
[11:34] Speaker 1: up there, and I'm just looking at all of it,
[11:36] Speaker 1: and Shane Gillis is telling Epstein jokes, right? He went
[11:41] Speaker 1: there with the Caitlin Clark thing.
[11:44] Speaker 2: People said he was making fun of black women on
[11:45] Speaker 2: that one. I thought.
[11:47] Speaker 1: I didn't think that was what he said. Caitlin Clark
[11:49] Speaker 1: fistfights black women. He didn't say to black women fistfights
[11:51] Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark. Like maybe there's some other level that I missed.
[11:54] Speaker 3: The extended bit about the fake WNBA wife.
[11:57] Speaker 2: That that was funny.
[11:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was that was I think that
[12:02] Speaker 1: was one of those to me where you're interpreting. There
[12:06] Speaker 1: are two reasonable interpretations, right? Interpretation one is that the
[12:10] Speaker 1: joke is, ha ha, people don't know WNBA players. I
[12:13] Speaker 1: didn't think that was the joke. The joke was on
[12:15] Speaker 1: the people who do pretend to know WNBA players.
[12:18] Speaker 3: Because they want to show up. And were pandered to.
[12:20] Speaker 2: Yes. Those people exist.
[12:22] Speaker 1: Yes. Right? Like, just because the worst people in the
[12:24] Speaker 1: world are the ones most vocal about them, we cannot
[12:26] Speaker 1: pretend that those people do not exist and that they
[12:28] Speaker 1: are not occasionally funny. But I, there were, the joint
[12:33] Speaker 1: about the last time Donald Trump staged a UFC fight
[12:36] Speaker 1: at the White House.
[12:38] Speaker 2: Mike Pence almost died.
[12:40] Speaker 3: Funny. Funny.
[12:42] Speaker 2: I am bold. Those were some... He took some chances.
[12:47] Speaker 2: He missed two.
[12:48] Speaker 1: Like when he tried to redo the Norm Macdonald joke.
[12:50] Speaker 1: If you explain that you redid the Norm Macdonald joke,
[12:52] Speaker 1: which I guess you kind of sort of have to do. Yeah.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Missed the mark.
[12:57] Speaker 1: The whole thing about Donald Trump thinking that Juan Soto
[13:00] Speaker 1: was alien.
[13:01] Speaker 2: Another good one. Another good one.
[13:03] Speaker 3: It went there, but funny.
[13:05] Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm just... I my shock at that.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Right. You know, look, I worked with four in various
[13:13] Speaker 1: capacities for about 20 years.
[13:15] Speaker 2: Right.
[13:16] Speaker 1: I've known what you can and can't get away with.
[13:17] Speaker 1: I've been there for the ebbs and flows of the
[13:20] Speaker 1: things that you could do, whether it be digital or
[13:22] Speaker 1: whatever it is. Right.
[13:22] Speaker 2: Like I've seen all the changes. This is wild.
[13:26] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:26] Speaker 1: Like this is now there are officially no rules as
[13:30] Speaker 1: long as you're talking about stuff that doesn't really matter.
[13:33] Speaker 1: You know, because like talking about stuff that matters, that
[13:36] Speaker 1: there's less of that.
[13:37] Speaker 2: And look, they've concluded that people don't want that. OK.
[13:42] Speaker 1: And then they can't control anything else that anybody does
[13:45] Speaker 1: because you can't.
[13:45] Speaker 2: Control what McAfee does.
[13:46] Speaker 1: Right. And so I saw clips of that show and
[13:49] Speaker 1: was just like, this is insane. I don't I don't
[13:52] Speaker 1: know anything. that's going on over there.
[13:56] Speaker 3: You brought up a good point that kind of ties
[13:58] Speaker 3: back to the Coldplay of it all is that, you know,
[14:02] Speaker 3: one of my main takeaways from Shane Gillis is, you know,
[14:04] Speaker 3: it was a tough room, but again, going back to Coldplay,
[14:08] Speaker 3: you said that's a room of people who can't get
[14:11] Speaker 3: caught laughing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[14:13] Speaker 1: So them jokes right there, like nobody wants to be
[14:16] Speaker 1: the one to get caught laughing.
[14:17] Speaker 2: At the FC.
[14:17] Speaker 3: They understood that everywhere is a jumbotron.
[14:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. That is a great point.
[14:21] Speaker 1: That is a room full of people perfectly aware that
[14:25] Speaker 1: somebody is watching them at all times.
[14:27] Speaker 3: They're always on camera and they're always mic'd.
[14:30] Speaker 1: Nobody in there is acting like it's Comic.
[14:33] Speaker 2: View and falling out of their seats and slapping their
[14:36] Speaker 2: knee hard in their mouth like ain't nobody doing none
[14:37] Speaker 2: of that stuff. No, sir.
[14:39] Speaker 1: That was not on the board for any of those
[14:42] Speaker 1: people there. I will bring up one last thing that
[14:45] Speaker 1: came up that I also thought was very interesting, which is,
[14:48] Speaker 1: did you read, Ryan, I don't know if you had
[14:49] Speaker 1: the chance, but did you see that sad-ass story about
[14:51] Speaker 1: Joel Embiid?
[14:53] Speaker 3: I saw the breakouts. I have not read the article. Yeah.
[14:56] Speaker 2: Look, man, I couldn't read, you know, me, I don't
[14:58] Speaker 2: do recreational sass.
[14:59] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I ain't about that wallow.
[15:02] Speaker 1: I could not read the whole thing. I saw parts
[15:05] Speaker 1: of it jump out, but I am just going to
[15:07] Speaker 1: throw something out there that I think is a very
[15:09] Speaker 1: big deal and bad sign for a lot of people.
[15:11] Speaker 1: If you have an interest in the Philadelphia 76ers and
[15:13] Speaker 1: that article talked a whole lot about how sad he
[15:16] Speaker 1: is and all the stuff and everything that's happening, dah, dah, dah.
[15:19] Speaker 1: But yeah, Nobody I've talked to really came away from
[15:21] Speaker 1: that story with a clear idea of whether he is
[15:25] Speaker 1: physically ready to play basketball.
[15:26] Speaker 3: No, yeah, there was nothing in there that said Joel
[15:28] Speaker 3: Embiid's rehab is going great and he is slated to
[15:31] Speaker 3: be ready for training camp or, you know, seasons among this.
[15:34] Speaker 2: We will not see him play anytime soon.
[15:37] Speaker 1: If that's the case, if you come out of that
[15:40] Speaker 1: 50,000 words or whatever that was about his feelings and
[15:44] Speaker 1: nothing about how his knee feels.
[15:49] Speaker 2: Ruh-roh.
[15:54] Speaker 1: All right, Ryan, we are back to our top 25
[15:58] Speaker 1: athletes of the last 25 years. You can go back
[16:01] Speaker 1: and check our previous episode with athletes 25 through 21.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Also one with Spencer Hall.
[16:07] Speaker 1: So what we're going to do is we'll give you
[16:08] Speaker 1: some from the list and then we'll talk about some
[16:10] Speaker 1: context about the different athletes in the last 25 years.
[16:13] Speaker 1: Not a specific rundown of the list itself, but kind
[16:16] Speaker 1: of broader things, because I have to be able to
[16:18] Speaker 1: do this in a way where I can also live
[16:20] Speaker 1: with myself. Right. Correct.
[16:21] Speaker 3: This is not BuzzFeed.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
[16:23] Speaker 2: This is what we got to do.
[16:24] Speaker 1: So look, we got, you know, we have some of
[16:26] Speaker 1: our specifications. We are doing this for North American athletes
[16:30] Speaker 1: who were 25 or younger on January 1st in the
[16:34] Speaker 1: year of our Lord 2000. That's how we do this.
[16:37] Speaker 1: We have so far gotten through 25 through 21 and
[16:39] Speaker 1: 25 through 21 athletes. were, let me get to this right,
[16:43] Speaker 1: there we go, 25 was Randy Moss, 24 Cam Newton,
[16:46] Speaker 1: 23 Albert Pujols, 22 Ray Lewis, 21 is Tim Duncan,
[16:51] Speaker 1: and now number 20 is.
[16:57] Speaker 2: A wild card selection.
[17:00] Speaker 1: Now, you guys may be wondering, what do I mean
[17:03] Speaker 1: about a wild card selection? Well, you know, first of all,
[17:06] Speaker 1: I already explained to you, I ain't going to be
[17:08] Speaker 1: arguing with you about this. You argue with yourself. I'm
[17:10] Speaker 1: coming up with content that you guys will enjoy. I
[17:12] Speaker 1: am not out here looking for fights. Not going to
[17:15] Speaker 1: argue with you. People like, how is Allen Iverson not
[17:17] Speaker 1: on the list? You don't even know what's on the
[17:19] Speaker 1: goddamn list. And you're already talking about- Yeah, we're 20% in. Yeah,
[17:23] Speaker 1: you don't even know what nothing is. How can he
[17:25] Speaker 1: not make the list? Why don't you wait and get
[17:26] Speaker 1: to the end and find out why he's not on
[17:29] Speaker 1: the list? You know what you need to understand? And
[17:30] Speaker 1: I said I wasn't going to argue with you. I'm
[17:32] Speaker 1: not arguing with you. I'm talking to you like I'm
[17:34] Speaker 1: your daddy. You know what the thing is that you
[17:36] Speaker 1: need to understand about a top 25 list? it can
[17:39] Speaker 1: only have 25 people on it. That's what you need
[17:42] Speaker 1: to understand. That's what it comes down to, no matter
[17:45] Speaker 1: what it is. So only 25 is who we talking about.
[17:49] Speaker 1: It's a lot of excellence out here.
[17:51] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[17:52] Speaker 1: We got to start giving props to the excellence. And unfortunately,
[17:55] Speaker 1: Allen Iverson might have been number 26. You know who
[17:59] Speaker 1: else also, unfortunately, was not able to make this list?
[18:05] Speaker 1: Throw it out here, another Others Receiving Votes candidate.
[18:10] Speaker 2: What's his name? Alice Rodriguez. That's who. He can't make
[18:19] Speaker 2: the list. Alice Rodriguez got 696 home runs. He can't
[18:23] Speaker 2: make the list.
[18:24] Speaker 3: Why?
[18:24] Speaker 1: The list only got 25 people on it. So here's
[18:28] Speaker 1: what this wild card selection is, okay? Whoever it is
[18:33] Speaker 1: that you got on your mind that you think should
[18:35] Speaker 1: have made this list and did not, you got two choices.
[18:40] Speaker 1: You can put that person into the wildcard selection and
[18:45] Speaker 1: say that they made the list so that you like.
[18:48] Speaker 2: It more or, or, or.
[18:52] Speaker 1: You could take that very name and shove it up
[18:56] Speaker 1: your keister. I'm giving you two choices, right? Maybe your
[19:01] Speaker 1: keister can't handle that. I would understand if it couldn't, right?
[19:05] Speaker 1: You don't have to do it to your keister. You
[19:07] Speaker 1: can put it in the wild card spot. But if
[19:10] Speaker 1: you don't want to put it in your wild card spot,
[19:13] Speaker 1: the keister is where it goes. Brian, you seem like you.
[19:18] Speaker 2: Had something to say.
[19:20] Speaker 3: No, I was just laughing. Yes, just saying.
[19:22] Speaker 2: Like, that's just, people get mad.
[19:23] Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah.
[19:28] Speaker 2: Especially, dude, I remember Ryan. Ryan worked at the school
[19:32] Speaker 2: when I worked up there.
[19:33] Speaker 1: And he said something about why I had no hockey
[19:34] Speaker 1: players on there. Because I don't know nothing about no hockey, right?
[19:38] Speaker 1: I am an entire committee. If it was a broader committee,
[19:41] Speaker 1: then everybody would have room to do all that stuff.
[19:43] Speaker 2: But that ain't what we got. This ain't science. I'm
[19:47] Speaker 2: just giving you this shit.
[19:48] Speaker 3: Correct.
[19:49] Speaker 1: That's it.
[19:50] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? So wild card for you.
[19:52] Speaker 1: Put whatever hockey player you want to put in there
[19:55] Speaker 1: if you want to. It's probably some soccer player out
[19:59] Speaker 1: here that I didn't think about. You can knock the
[20:01] Speaker 1: dust off of Freddie Adu and throw him in there
[20:04] Speaker 1: if you want to.
[20:05] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[20:06] Speaker 1: You got all kinds of options for what it is
[20:09] Speaker 1: that you can do and throw them people in there.
[20:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:12] Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh.
[20:13] Speaker 2: Another one. If you'd like.
[20:17] Speaker 1: You can put in Caitlin Clark. Christine, Brendan, listen to
[20:22] Speaker 1: the show.
[20:23] Speaker 2: Because if so, we left that spot for you.
[20:26] Speaker 3: As the producer, I'm putting in Caitlin Clark for my list.
[20:30] Speaker 2: Yes, yes. You know what?
[20:31] Speaker 3: The one who asked to decide how this show is
[20:34] Speaker 3: found via Google search, he's putting in Caitlin Clark.
[20:38] Speaker 1: I'm so glad I just said that. Go ahead and
[20:40] Speaker 1: put that in the title, brother man. I had not
[20:43] Speaker 1: really thought about the serendipity that we could have and
[20:46] Speaker 1: to put this all together until that very moment.
[20:48] Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Go ahead. and put her in there.
[20:51] Speaker 1: And see, I have figured this out, how to at
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[21:16] Speaker 1: and serves everybody's aim.
[21:18] Speaker 2: Tell me how you feel I don't have to listen.
[21:23] Speaker 2: But you still feel heard. That's what I'm talking about.
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[23:43] Speaker 1: the right time. Top 25 athletes of the last 25 years.
[23:47] Speaker 1: We have already told you who has been on the list.
[23:49] Speaker 1: We have told you that number 20 was the Burger
[23:51] Speaker 1: King option.
[23:52] Speaker 2: You can have it your way. And now, number 19.
[23:54] Speaker 2: Katie Ledecky is on here.
[24:01] Speaker 1: Now, you're probably saying to yourself, gee, Bomani, you don't
[24:07] Speaker 1: strike me as a person that knows too much about swimming.
[24:11] Speaker 2: I know how to do it. you're racist, okay?
[24:16] Speaker 1: I know how to do it. That's the first thing
[24:18] Speaker 1: that we could understand. I also know a lot about
[24:22] Speaker 1: like sports and races, R-A-C-E-S. I know that when Kate
[24:30] Speaker 1: and Ledecky get out there and swim for a mile,
[24:34] Speaker 1: she gets to the end of the race and she
[24:38] Speaker 1: could be dressed By the time the other people get there.
[24:42] Speaker 1: And I have been watching her do that now, I believe,
[24:45] Speaker 1: for four Olympics.
[24:47] Speaker 2: Ryan, do I have that right? Correct.
[24:50] Speaker 3: I mean, she's won the half mile at 2012, 2016,
[24:51] Speaker 3: 2020 and 2024. She's a four time Olympian. She's not
[24:52] Speaker 3: even 30 years old.
[25:01] Speaker 2: Yo, this is insane.
[25:04] Speaker 1: I find something extra special about, and we'll talk more
[25:08] Speaker 1: about other people who I think on this list fit
[25:10] Speaker 1: this description, but there is something to me extra amazing
[25:15] Speaker 1: about when I am watching somebody do something that I
[25:17] Speaker 1: don't really know that much about, And I can tell
[25:21] Speaker 1: very clearly that you are dominating this, that nobody is
[25:26] Speaker 1: in the same zone. Like if you want me to
[25:28] Speaker 1: try to figure out, I mean, also let's be fair.
[25:30] Speaker 1: It helps in these games that are just strictly about
[25:33] Speaker 1: the clock, right? Right. Okay.
[25:35] Speaker 2: Where are you finished relative to everybody else?
[25:37] Speaker 1: But there's still even something else about it where it's
[25:39] Speaker 1: like when they show those clips of her at the
[25:42] Speaker 1: end and it looked like everybody's.
[25:44] Speaker 2: Still going the other way. She looked like she laughing people.
[25:47] Speaker 3: They have to redo the television broadcast because they can
[25:49] Speaker 3: only go out so wide to show her in all
[25:51] Speaker 3: of her competitors.
[25:52] Speaker 1: Never seen anything like, okay, so actually, Ryan, you just
[25:56] Speaker 1: pointed out something that I don't think I quite grasped.
[25:59] Speaker 2: Which is, is it really the 800 that she's doing
[26:03] Speaker 2: people like that?
[26:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the 800.
[26:06] Speaker 1: Okay, so it ain't even as much time as I'm
[26:08] Speaker 1: thinking about to really stretch out a lead.
[26:11] Speaker 2: Correct.
[26:12] Speaker 1: Correct.
[26:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it is. I mean, she she she
[26:16] Speaker 3: started as a dominant 800 meter. The 1500 has been
[26:19] Speaker 3: in the last two Olympics. But like so when you
[26:21] Speaker 3: see that gap, that is in half the distance she
[26:25] Speaker 3: has to do that.
[26:26] Speaker 1: I had never considered that because like, let's be honest here.
[26:29] Speaker 1: it'd be a little bit difficult to watch them super
[26:31] Speaker 1: long swimming matches. They show all that swimming on the
[26:35] Speaker 1: Olympics because America good at it.
[26:39] Speaker 2: America's good at it.
[26:41] Speaker 1: It happens right then and you can put so often
[26:45] Speaker 1: it is the same person doing so many different events.
[26:48] Speaker 3: You can build a story up very well.
[26:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, you build a story, you can build a star really,
[26:52] Speaker 1: really fast, right?
[26:53] Speaker 2: And so we always get in there and watch it.
[26:56] Speaker 1: And swimming is interesting by like the metric that Spencer
[27:02] Speaker 1: was talking about, but you saying both, like this is
[27:03] Speaker 1: the thing that everybody has done. Swimming is something to
[27:06] Speaker 1: which everyone has a sort of theoretical access to doing,
[27:10] Speaker 1: but at least in this competitive spirit or anything else,
[27:12] Speaker 1: this is not something that everybody does. This is not
[27:15] Speaker 1: a worldwide sport. You see the competitors are primarily coming
[27:20] Speaker 1: from the United States, Europe, and Asia. You don't see
[27:25] Speaker 1: Africans out here at all. You don't see a lot
[27:27] Speaker 1: of South Americans for whatever reasons. You don't see them
[27:30] Speaker 1: so much participating in this. But I don't feel like,
[27:34] Speaker 1: you know, people talk about like, you know, there's a
[27:36] Speaker 1: cat better than Jordan who didn't get that break.
[27:37] Speaker 2: No, there's not. Right.
[27:40] Speaker 1: I don't I don't think maybe there's somebody in Africa
[27:42] Speaker 1: that's just out here swimming and ain't nobody got no
[27:44] Speaker 1: clock to understand what's cracking.
[27:45] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[27:46] Speaker 1: Like I said that intentionally, ignorantly, just so everybody is clear, because, no,
[27:50] Speaker 1: that's not happening.
[27:50] Speaker 2: Like nobody's doing this. Right. And everybody knows.
[27:56] Speaker 1: People, I guess they have different like things they could
[27:58] Speaker 1: do for training and everything else. But like the actual
[28:01] Speaker 1: act of swimming, we just all out here doing the
[28:03] Speaker 1: same stroke in the same water. And none of you
[28:06] Speaker 1: can get to where I am.
[28:09] Speaker 2: None. She gets to be number 19.
[28:11] Speaker 1: All right, Ryan, number 18.
[28:21] Speaker 2: Mike Trout.
[28:24] Speaker 3: You can talk about the anonymity of Anaheim one more time.
[28:31] Speaker 2: Part of it's the anonymity of Anaheim.
[28:34] Speaker 1: Though most of the guys we've talked about before became
[28:37] Speaker 1: anonymous in Anaheim of their own doing.
[28:40] Speaker 2: They began to play like regular people.
[28:43] Speaker 1: Albert Puholz made himself anonymous the old-fashioned way by becoming
[28:48] Speaker 1: mediocre in his 30s. That's what he managed to do.
[28:52] Speaker 1: Trout The comparison for Trout is, to me, the closest
[29:00] Speaker 1: you can get at least, is what would we have
[29:04] Speaker 1: done with Ricky Henderson in this.
[29:06] Speaker 2: Day and age?
[29:07] Speaker 1: Which is to say, what would we have done with
[29:09] Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson in a time where his power would have
[29:12] Speaker 1: been treated with a greater priority while also having the speed, right? Now,
[29:19] Speaker 1: Mike Trout is not Ricky Henderson. Howard Bryant makes the
[29:22] Speaker 1: great point about Ricky Henderson, which is, Baseball records are
[29:27] Speaker 1: like marathon records. They are long run records. They are
[29:32] Speaker 1: records that take forever to break. They're records that people
[29:35] Speaker 1: break in their 40s, right? Like how long it took
[29:39] Speaker 1: Hank Aaron, for example. to break Babe Ruth's record. How
[29:42] Speaker 1: long it took Barry Bonds to break Hank Aaron's record.
[29:45] Speaker 1: And he may have even done.
[29:46] Speaker 2: That with a little bit of help, right? Ricky Henderson
[29:52] Speaker 2: broke the stolen base record at 32.
[29:54] Speaker 1: At 32.
[29:55] Speaker 2: At 32.
[29:59] Speaker 1: Nobody's breaking an all-time baseball record in 12 years. Nobody
[30:06] Speaker 1: is doing that, right? Mike Trout is not that guy.
[30:12] Speaker 1: But the only reason that we said, I would say
[30:15] Speaker 1: in this case, that he's not that guy is because
[30:18] Speaker 1: he's not stealing that many bases. Ricky is not hitting
[30:21] Speaker 1: with the level of power that Mike Trout is, right?
[30:26] Speaker 1: That's not happening. And by the way, Trout did this
[30:30] Speaker 1: and got out there immediately in doing this.
[30:34] Speaker 3: Immediately.
[30:35] Speaker 1: Also, one of my, the more fascinating Mike Trout things
[30:39] Speaker 1: to me is Mike Trout had a season where he
[30:42] Speaker 1: had won the MVP, but struck out 184 times, which is,
[30:46] Speaker 1: you know, kind of sort of new baseball, but still
[30:48] Speaker 1: he struck out 184 times and then like dialed that
[30:53] Speaker 1: back relatively in a way that.
[30:55] Speaker 2: I think is worth noting, except no. I look at that.
[30:58] Speaker 1: And when he does that, the games played just aren't
[31:00] Speaker 1: that high. He not all, but he's new baseball, right?
[31:04] Speaker 1: Like he's going to get on base. He's going to
[31:06] Speaker 1: draw a decent number of walks. He's going to swing really,
[31:09] Speaker 1: really hard. He has led the majors in stolen bases
[31:12] Speaker 1: in a year where he stole 49 and only got
[31:14] Speaker 1: thrown out five times. Right. That's as a rookie second
[31:19] Speaker 1: MVP MVP voting. I saw a stat about Magic Johnson
[31:23] Speaker 1: that I didn't realize, which was he was in the
[31:25] Speaker 1: top three of the MVP voting, I think, for a
[31:28] Speaker 1: stretch of like nine years in a row or something
[31:31] Speaker 1: like that.
[31:32] Speaker 2: OK, this is Mike Trout, your MVP voting.
[31:34] Speaker 1: 2-2-1-2-1-4-2-1-5. And that's it. And that's when the injuries come.
[31:44] Speaker 1: But I feel like for purposes of our list, three
[31:47] Speaker 1: MVPs and the sort of numbers that he's put up, like, look, man,
[31:50] Speaker 1: he's 33 years old and he's probably going to get
[31:54] Speaker 1: to 400 home runs this year at 33 years old.
[31:59] Speaker 2: When I was a kid, and I know that this
[32:01] Speaker 2: has changed, but when I was.
[32:03] Speaker 1: A kid, 400 home runs, as long as you weren't
[32:06] Speaker 1: Dave Kingman, meant that you were going to the Hall
[32:08] Speaker 1: of Fame. Right. The argument for the greatness of Barry
[32:12] Speaker 1: Bonds is even if you take away everything after the
[32:15] Speaker 1: points at which we generally agree that he started, you know, saying,
[32:20] Speaker 1: you know, you know, getting getting getting hitting that spike. Right.
[32:26] Speaker 1: He had 400 home runs before then. That is a
[32:29] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career. If Mike Trout had stopped playing
[32:33] Speaker 1: baseball at the age of 30, very similar to Albert Pujols.
[32:39] Speaker 2: He'd be a hall of famer, right?
[32:41] Speaker 1: Like that's why Andrew Jones is not going to, or
[32:44] Speaker 1: has not gotten into the hall of fame because there's haters,
[32:47] Speaker 1: but also because after the age of 30, it kind
[32:50] Speaker 1: of went downhill. Now to me, the argument for Jones
[32:52] Speaker 1: is he is the capital T H E capital G
[32:57] Speaker 1: Raiders defensive center fielder, whoever lived. That is enough to
[33:00] Speaker 1: me to make the hall of fame. If you're also
[33:02] Speaker 1: going to hit for like 400 home runs, I don't
[33:04] Speaker 1: care what happened with you in your 30s. Albert, I mean,
[33:07] Speaker 1: Andrew Jones is not as good as Mike Trout. He
[33:10] Speaker 1: does not have the resume that I just read off
[33:12] Speaker 1: for you with Trout. But that guy, if he stops
[33:17] Speaker 1: at 30, is a Hall of Famer.
[33:19] Speaker 3: Right.
[33:19] Speaker 1: Like to me, it's a Ralph Kiner type of situation.
[33:22] Speaker 1: It is a Kirby Puckett type of situation where, OK,
[33:25] Speaker 1: this guy is just that good. Of course, the thing
[33:28] Speaker 1: with Trout, as you just brought it up, is he
[33:30] Speaker 1: just had no interest in being famous whatsoever. And it
[33:33] Speaker 1: is so wild to me, the idea that the best
[33:36] Speaker 1: baseball player of a generation, right, who is Bryce Harper
[33:41] Speaker 1: has actually kind of turned out to be the guy
[33:43] Speaker 1: that we thought Bryce Harper was going to be when
[33:45] Speaker 1: he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
[33:47] Speaker 2: And still not Mike Trout. I think so. I am
[33:54] Speaker 2: not sure, to be honest. But the idea, though, that.
[34:00] Speaker 1: He could turn out, he being Bryce Harper, could turn
[34:02] Speaker 1: out to be what we thought Bryce Harper would turn
[34:05] Speaker 1: out to be. And what it turned out to be?
[34:10] Speaker 1: Not Mike Trout. And that's literally no shame to him.
[34:16] Speaker 1: Like there's no, that's just where Trout turned out to be.
[34:21] Speaker 1: Is it the same draft you're able to check?
[34:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. Mike was 25th overall in 2009. Bryce
[34:27] Speaker 3: Harper was 2010. But still, again, same generation.
[34:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still right there.
[34:31] Speaker 1: Like, I remember Mike Trout broke in the same year
[34:34] Speaker 1: that Yasiel Puig got going.
[34:37] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I remember what a phenomenon.
[34:38] Speaker 1: That was when we learned the difference between the Dodgers
[34:41] Speaker 1: and the Angels, right?
[34:42] Speaker 2: Because Puig.
[34:43] Speaker 1: You know, Puig also was like crazy fun to watch, right?
[34:46] Speaker 1: But Puig was such a phenomenon. And I remember me
[34:49] Speaker 1: and Dan, you know, because.
[34:50] Speaker 2: Puig was Cuban.
[34:51] Speaker 1: So me and Lubbock would be on television and we'd
[34:53] Speaker 1: ride for Puig. And then I looked up and was like, hey,
[34:56] Speaker 1: how about we just admit that we ain't been paying
[34:58] Speaker 1: that close attention?
[35:02] Speaker 2: What'd you think about that? That's what seems to be
[35:05] Speaker 2: the case.
[35:06] Speaker 1: As far as I can tell. That we actually are
[35:09] Speaker 1: not doing our proper diligence on our jobs. Because this
[35:14] Speaker 1: is not it. By the way, somebody just sent me
[35:18] Speaker 1: a text about that Coldplay thing.
[35:21] Speaker 2: Said, damn, lost half in 30 seconds.
[35:27] Speaker 3: He did.
[35:28] Speaker 2: He did. That's half. That ride home. Well, first of all,
[35:36] Speaker 2: do you go home?
[35:37] Speaker 3: Do you go home? Do either of them go home?
[35:40] Speaker 2: Where do they think you are right now? You know
[35:45] Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Are your significant.
[35:47] Speaker 1: Others somewhere themselves? Or are they out of town? Did
[35:52] Speaker 1: you say you went on a trip? Where do they
[35:56] Speaker 1: think you are right now? Because you got to get
[36:00] Speaker 1: out ahead of this. I don't think that you can
[36:03] Speaker 1: wait for more people to call.
[36:07] Speaker 2: Sorry, my bad. You just crossed my mind. Just as
[36:11] Speaker 2: that came across. Damn.
[36:13] Speaker 1: Damn. Anyway, we are now at number 18, 17.
[36:23] Speaker 2: 17. Lamar Jackson.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Now, this is where the list starts getting interesting and
[36:30] Speaker 1: starts getting tight. Because the truth is, on one level
[36:35] Speaker 1: to me, this feels a little bit high, right? For example,
[36:40] Speaker 1: I could have put Drew Brees in here.
[36:45] Speaker 2: Drew Brees would.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Have made the age specification. Drew Brees has won a
[36:49] Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Drew Brees was never MVP or first team All-Pro.
[36:55] Speaker 1: Am I certain that Lamar Jackson is better than Drew Brees?
[36:58] Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a tricky question. And we will
[37:00] Speaker 2: have to get to the question that I.
[37:01] Speaker 1: Think we will be asking at a lot of points
[37:03] Speaker 1: on this list and that we asked even on day one,
[37:05] Speaker 1: which is, are you sure he's better than Tim Duncan?
[37:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the rest of the list is, you know,
[37:11] Speaker 3: a continuation of, is this person better than Tim Duncan?
[37:14] Speaker 1: At every point, it's just going to be like, sometimes
[37:16] Speaker 1: the question will be more compelling than others. Like, we may, like,
[37:19] Speaker 1: every time we do this list, we may have to
[37:21] Speaker 1: redo it and be like, you know what? Actually, Tim
[37:24] Speaker 1: Duncan goes here. Like, there's an argument for this. But
[37:28] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is the.
[37:30] Speaker 2: Two-time NFL MVP who....
[37:36] Speaker 1: Is the only person I can think of in the NFL. Well, no,
[37:41] Speaker 1: maybe this happens other times.
[37:43] Speaker 2: Let me be fair.
[37:44] Speaker 1: But the only reason he's not a three-time MVP is
[37:47] Speaker 1: because the writers wanted to be nice to Josh Allen.
[37:49] Speaker 1: That is the only reasonable explanation for how it is
[37:52] Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson could be first-team All-Pro and Josh Allen
[37:56] Speaker 1: win the MVP and they play the same position. We
[38:00] Speaker 1: all saw this as it happened. It was the participation
[38:04] Speaker 1: trophy moment type thing ever, right? Like everybody deserves to
[38:08] Speaker 1: win every now and then. Like you can't give employee
[38:11] Speaker 1: of the month to the same person every month, even
[38:13] Speaker 1: though every month is the same person doing the job.
[38:15] Speaker 2: You can't do that. That's what wound up happening.
[38:17] Speaker 1: So in my mind, I stopped and I asked myself,
[38:20] Speaker 1: if we took a guy who has now been in
[38:23] Speaker 1: the NFL for seven seasons, he's going into his eighth
[38:27] Speaker 1: season and he's won three MVPs. regardless of the fact
[38:34] Speaker 1: that he has not made it to a Super Bowl,
[38:37] Speaker 1: at that plus a Heisman Trophy and being like a
[38:40] Speaker 1: truly redefining player about what it is to be a
[38:45] Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, he's here. Like there's a level
[38:49] Speaker 1: that this feels to me a little bit hasty, but no,
[38:54] Speaker 1: I don't think that you're going to go through and
[38:57] Speaker 1: look at the people who are below him and certainly
[39:00] Speaker 1: say that any of them should be above him.
[39:01] Speaker 3: Especially, you know, one thing we made very clear, and
[39:04] Speaker 3: if you didn't catch the earlier version of the list,
[39:05] Speaker 3: we are putting a lot of emphasis on peak.
[39:09] Speaker 2: Peak.
[39:09] Speaker 3: Peak versus, you know, longevity. And nearly winning back-to-back MVPs
[39:15] Speaker 3: in the NFL is about as high as peak gets.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Right.
[39:18] Speaker 2: Like you can't. There is something to be.
[39:23] Speaker 1: Said for your ability to do this for a very
[39:26] Speaker 1: long time. But when you get to talking about somebody,
[39:30] Speaker 1: like way down the line, grandkids or whatever, you're not
[39:33] Speaker 1: gonna be like.
[39:34] Speaker 2: Oh, we play for a long time. Like that's that's
[39:37] Speaker 2: not that's not going to be what.
[39:39] Speaker 1: You impart when you are explaining what was so impressive.
[39:43] Speaker 1: Even when you get to a point and be like, man,
[39:45] Speaker 1: he did it for a long time. That's not the
[39:48] Speaker 1: part that's going to light you up. Like when we
[39:49] Speaker 1: get to the Tom Brady part, that's going to be
[39:51] Speaker 1: interesting to me. because he was just so coldly effective
[39:54] Speaker 1: and efficient, but it was nothing that just made you,
[39:57] Speaker 1: he just, he ain't do nothing to set your hair
[39:59] Speaker 1: on fire. You just in the end had to look
[40:01] Speaker 1: at it and be like, okay, he's that dude for
[40:04] Speaker 1: getting the job done. Lamar has largely gotten this job
[40:08] Speaker 1: done and done this with varying levels of talent. Like
[40:10] Speaker 1: you can't say he's out there for Dolo now at
[40:12] Speaker 1: this point, but there were points at which it was
[40:14] Speaker 1: looking like, like another, you're the best player on the
[40:16] Speaker 1: high school team. And we put the ball in your
[40:18] Speaker 1: hand and you go do whatever. And I also think,
[40:23] Speaker 1: that a part of this in terms of perceiving him,
[40:27] Speaker 1: and I got to think in my own mind about
[40:30] Speaker 1: what role this plays is, it's somewhat difficult to separate
[40:34] Speaker 1: anything that happens for him in the NFL from how
[40:38] Speaker 1: he wound up getting into the NFL, right? And the
[40:43] Speaker 1: fight of the, I think, and I could be wrong here,
[40:48] Speaker 1: but I think that Lamar Jackson is, may ultimately end
[40:52] Speaker 1: up with his historical legacy being, he might be the
[40:56] Speaker 1: last black quarterback of his ilk to truly have to
[41:01] Speaker 1: fight to play quarterback, right? Where they had to not
[41:06] Speaker 1: run the 40 yard dash, not do any receiving drills
[41:10] Speaker 1: and all of these things. And I do have this
[41:14] Speaker 1: hot tape. Not all of that is as racist as
[41:17] Speaker 1: it seems. right some of it is obviously but if
[41:22] Speaker 1: you don't think that he's a great quarterback i think
[41:25] Speaker 1: most of us do think you'd at least give.
[41:27] Speaker 2: Him a chance at doing some of the other stuff
[41:30] Speaker 2: right gotta get the tires on it i think.
[41:33] Speaker 3: The wild thing about lamar is you almost see this
[41:35] Speaker 3: level of doubt twice obviously it's two different things right
[41:38] Speaker 3: but the whole league comes in and doubts him he
[41:41] Speaker 3: ends up being the last pick of the first round
[41:42] Speaker 3: including the ravens passing on him yes early in that
[41:45] Speaker 3: draft And then you see, you know, fast forward a
[41:49] Speaker 3: few years later, he's a restricted free agent. Any team
[41:53] Speaker 3: in the league can get him for matching his contract
[41:55] Speaker 3: and two first-run picks. Obviously, you have a collision element,
[41:59] Speaker 3: but no one was willing to break ranks and go
[42:01] Speaker 3: get him. Right. And still doubting his, you know, with
[42:05] Speaker 3: his injury risk and everything else, and then he comes
[42:07] Speaker 3: out afterwards, wins an MVP, and nearly wins a second one.
[42:10] Speaker 2: And now, by the way, you raise a point.
[42:12] Speaker 1: Maybe I was out here being a little bit too optimistic.
[42:18] Speaker 1: Perhaps there is still an opportunity for them to doubt
[42:21] Speaker 1: the black quarterback.
[42:22] Speaker 2: My fault, Ryan. I have forgotten that they just did
[42:27] Speaker 2: that a couple.
[42:28] Speaker 3: Of years ago.
[42:30] Speaker 2: That happened.
[42:30] Speaker 1: But you would hope at the very least that that
[42:33] Speaker 1: could be what the legacy winds up being for him, though,
[42:37] Speaker 1: because there's not that much that you could ask for.
[42:40] Speaker 1: And he is a very good pocket passer. I think
[42:42] Speaker 1: it is very easy for people to try to dismiss that.
[42:45] Speaker 1: I think it is especially easy if you don't know
[42:47] Speaker 1: anything about college football. And what the offense that Cam
[42:51] Speaker 1: Newton was running at Auburn is not the Bobby Petrino offense.
[42:54] Speaker 1: That is not an that was not an offense built
[42:57] Speaker 1: around having a running quarterback. They had a quarterback who
[43:00] Speaker 1: could run, but he was still out there running the
[43:02] Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino offense. Now, of course, there's more left for
[43:06] Speaker 1: Lamar to do.
[43:07] Speaker 2: Right. There are he is going to make it to
[43:10] Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.
[43:11] Speaker 3: Right.
[43:11] Speaker 1: I don't think he is a Hall of Famer necessarily
[43:14] Speaker 1: right now at this moment. But two time MVP, three
[43:18] Speaker 1: time first team All-Pro quarterback. I feel pretty confident that
[43:21] Speaker 1: he is going to go to the Hall of Fame.
[43:26] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks who did not make it to
[43:29] Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl era. That's a
[43:32] Speaker 1: really short list. I got Dan Fouts and Warren Moon.
[43:36] Speaker 1: I don't have anybody else that I can think of
[43:39] Speaker 1: on that list, both of whom ran kind of supercharged
[43:43] Speaker 1: offenses for the day. And one could argue that the
[43:47] Speaker 1: schematics of the offense helped them get to the Hall
[43:49] Speaker 1: of Fame, but also help keep them out. They don't
[43:51] Speaker 1: blow that lead to Buffalo if they're not running for
[43:54] Speaker 1: our receivers every play, for example. But are they scoring
[43:58] Speaker 1: 35 points against Buffalo if they don't do those things? Right.
[44:01] Speaker 2: I say all that to say.
[44:03] Speaker 1: If you have played seven years, and I think that
[44:06] Speaker 1: puts Lamar at 27 or 28, still crazy young, and
[44:10] Speaker 1: you have the accolades that he has, then yeah, you're
[44:15] Speaker 1: that guy. And I don't think that we talk about
[44:18] Speaker 1: him really in those historic turns because we're still asking
[44:21] Speaker 1: the questions about the Ravens team's success on his watch. However,
[44:27] Speaker 1: he's earned the praise that he is getting from this list. Okay,
[44:33] Speaker 1: and now we have number 16. Wow, that.
[44:40] Speaker 2: Was a terrible drumming.
[44:42] Speaker 1: Let me try it again.
[44:44] Speaker 2: There we go. Aaron Rodgers. Now, again, are we sure
[44:54] Speaker 2: he's better than Tim Duncan? I don't know.
[44:57] Speaker 1: I also realize I may have meant to put a
[44:59] Speaker 1: different Aaron here, but we'll talk about that next show.
[45:02] Speaker 2: There's room to change. But anyway.
[45:06] Speaker 1: There are times where Aaron Rodgers has appeared to be
[45:09] Speaker 1: the best quarterback I.
[45:09] Speaker 2: Have ever seen.
[45:11] Speaker 1: There has never been a time that I have thought
[45:13] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was the best quarterback I have ever seen.
[45:15] Speaker 1: There's never been a time that I thought that Cam
[45:17] Speaker 1: Newton was the best quarterback that I have ever seen
[45:20] Speaker 1: just from watching him.
[45:21] Speaker 2: I will be honest with you.
[45:23] Speaker 1: There has never been a time that just from watching
[45:25] Speaker 1: him that I have thought Tom Brady was the best
[45:28] Speaker 1: quarterback I've ever seen. Like with Tom Brady, you got
[45:30] Speaker 1: to think about it and then you get to the conclusion.
[45:32] Speaker 1: But it's not like, wow, look at that. Aaron Rodgers
[45:36] Speaker 1: throwing a football has so much.
[45:38] Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
[45:40] Speaker 1: I can't.
[45:41] Speaker 3: Throws only at the time you thought only Aaron Rodgers
[45:44] Speaker 3: could make.
[45:46] Speaker 1: This sounds like a crazy thing maybe to say and
[45:49] Speaker 1: maybe not the most important thing to bring up. But
[45:51] Speaker 1: I do think it speaks to a degree of testament
[45:53] Speaker 1: to like what you get from the Aaron Rodgers world.
[45:55] Speaker 1: He is the best Hail Mary thrower I have ever seen.
[45:58] Speaker 1: He is the only person that I have seen throw
[45:59] Speaker 1: multiple Hail Marys that I believe he was truly throwing
[46:02] Speaker 1: it to a spot. And the spot was directly behind
[46:07] Speaker 1: all the defensive players that are going to try to
[46:09] Speaker 1: jump up and get the ball. And there will be
[46:10] Speaker 1: some guy just there to catch it. Like he's that dude.
[46:15] Speaker 1: He's also way more athletic than I think people really
[46:18] Speaker 1: gave him credit for.
[46:20] Speaker 2: Like the concern that I.
[46:21] Speaker 1: Had about where he would be after the Achilles is
[46:24] Speaker 1: It's because if Aaron Rodgers isn't really that athletic, then
[46:29] Speaker 1: you're not getting the same thing, right?
[46:30] Speaker 2: Athletic is not just simply about the ability to move.
[46:33] Speaker 1: It's about the ability to move and throw it while
[46:35] Speaker 1: you're moving, go in these crazy directions and everything else.
[46:38] Speaker 2: Now, yes, he has become....
[46:42] Speaker 3: Weirdo.
[46:43] Speaker 2: What a weirdo.
[46:43] Speaker 3: He's someone who's having a tough week, I can imagine.
[46:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[46:48] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
[46:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[46:50] Speaker 2: I mean, I imagine he might be canvassing.
[46:52] Speaker 1: He might be in the streets over to Epstein. Boy,
[46:55] Speaker 1: he might be out here sending letters. He might quit
[46:57] Speaker 1: his job to dedicate himself like.
[46:59] Speaker 2: It wasn't like my more.
[47:01] Speaker 1: He might, you know, another honorable mention, others receiving votes,
[47:04] Speaker 1: a person on this list.
[47:06] Speaker 3: Someone dedicated to a cause, their cause.
[47:09] Speaker 2: Got to get it done. Somebody's got to make it happen.
[47:13] Speaker 1: But I do think that ultimately Aaron Rodgers is going
[47:18] Speaker 1: to be.
[47:19] Speaker 2: Thought of for the Super Bowls. Not the Super Bowls
[47:21] Speaker 2: that he didn't win, but the Super Bowls he didn't
[47:22] Speaker 2: get to. Right.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Now, how much of that is his fault becomes an
[47:27] Speaker 1: interesting question. They've come close, like they had that year
[47:30] Speaker 1: against Seattle, where they want to say it's 2014, where
[47:33] Speaker 1: Seattle marched down the field at the end of the
[47:34] Speaker 1: game and got it done.
[47:36] Speaker 3: They went 16-0 for most of that game, and that
[47:40] Speaker 3: was one of the wildest comebacks. That was a Mike
[47:44] Speaker 3: McCarthy coaching disaster class.
[47:46] Speaker 2: Yes, in the toughest building in the league to play in. Right.
[47:51] Speaker 3: At that point.
[47:51] Speaker 1: Right. So like they had the year they went 15
[47:53] Speaker 1: and one. And then Eli Manning had that horseshoe up
[47:57] Speaker 1: his keister for a month again. Right.
[48:00] Speaker 2: And then he got there. So we're going to think
[48:02] Speaker 2: a lot, I believe.
[48:04] Speaker 1: Oh, my favorite factoid with Eric Rodgers is his real
[48:08] Speaker 1: nemesis is Colin Kaepernick.
[48:10] Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick did it to that boy three times, twice
[48:13] Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
[48:14] Speaker 1: Just don't destroy it in Lambeau in the playoffs the
[48:18] Speaker 1: one year. and then two of them at Candlestick Park,
[48:23] Speaker 1: one to start the season in 2013, and then in
[48:27] Speaker 1: 2012 in the playoffs, he had something like 180 yards
[48:30] Speaker 1: before contact.
[48:31] Speaker 2: It was nuts the way that wound up going.
[48:34] Speaker 1: But I think because of all the other stuff with
[48:38] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, yes, we think about the fact that Dan
[48:41] Speaker 1: Marino did not win a Super Bowl, but I think
[48:44] Speaker 1: that we primarily think of the greatness of Dan Marino as,
[48:48] Speaker 1: And then be like, well, damn, they did not win.
[48:49] Speaker 2: A Super Bowl.
[48:51] Speaker 1: I think because of the other stuff about Rodgers, it
[48:54] Speaker 1: is likely that we will think of it more in
[48:55] Speaker 1: the context again of why you didn't get it done.
[49:01] Speaker 1: And I think that will obscure what I think is
[49:05] Speaker 1: truly like his greatness. Like if you were and this
[49:09] Speaker 1: is where lists like this get to be tricky. If
[49:12] Speaker 1: you were to ask me who I thought was a better, okay,
[49:16] Speaker 1: so I'll dial this out. he says about eli manning
[49:18] Speaker 1: versus tony romo i don't think there's any question that
[49:21] Speaker 1: tony romo was a better quarterback than eli manning but
[49:24] Speaker 1: if i need to go win a playoff game there's
[49:25] Speaker 1: also pretty much no question which one of them i'm
[49:28] Speaker 1: going to take and it's not tony romo correct and
[49:30] Speaker 1: those are competing thoughts that aren't necessarily contradictory I think
[49:35] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is a better player, a better athlete, da-da-da,
[49:38] Speaker 1: than Tom Brady.
[49:39] Speaker 2: But one of them got seven Super Bowl reigns, and
[49:41] Speaker 2: one of them got one.
[49:42] Speaker 1: Right.
[49:42] Speaker 3: And for the beginning of that career, we were able
[49:45] Speaker 3: to tie a lot of that to Mike McCarthy. But
[49:47] Speaker 3: Matt Spergis there, he wins two MVPs, and we still
[49:50] Speaker 3: see him in the same struggles with Aaron Rodgers in
[49:52] Speaker 3: the playoffs. So, you know, it's hard to remove.
[49:58] Speaker 1: But we're talking peak, and I'm going to pull up
[50:01] Speaker 1: some of these numbers here. So you can understand when
[50:04] Speaker 1: we say peak with Aaron Rodgers, and I say we're
[50:07] Speaker 1: really talking about like 2010 through about 2015, 2016 maybe,
[50:14] Speaker 1: the touchdown interceptions numbers, because the blessing and curse of
[50:16] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the low interception numbers, but also because
[50:20] Speaker 1: of a problematic level of risk aversion.
[50:23] Speaker 3: Didn't want to be Brett Favre.
[50:24] Speaker 1: Didn't want to make the mistake, and too much did
[50:27] Speaker 1: not want to make the mistake, but dude, 2011, 45 touchdowns,
[50:28] Speaker 1: six interceptions, 2012, 39, and eight. 2013, he was hurt
[50:34] Speaker 1: for much of the year.
[50:35] Speaker 3: 2014, 38-5.
[50:35] Speaker 1: 2015, 31-8.
[50:35] Speaker 2: 2016, 40-7. 2020, 48 touchdowns, five interceptions at the age
[50:38] Speaker 2: of 37. Like, dude, this one was different. He also was,
[50:39] Speaker 2: you know, eclectic. Different.
[51:02] Speaker 1: I remember when it's different was kind of cool. Like, hey,
[51:05] Speaker 1: y'all booed the Muslims. That wasn't cool, right?
[51:08] Speaker 2: And then something happened and that boy got radicalized.
[51:10] Speaker 3: And you know, now- One of the themes we talk
[51:13] Speaker 3: about the show is the dangers of being on the
[51:16] Speaker 3: Internet too much.
[51:16] Speaker 2: Way too much. Way too much. Way too much. No supervision.
[51:19] Speaker 2: Boy needs supervision. But that is what we got.
[51:22] Speaker 1: And so that is our list through number 16. We
[51:27] Speaker 1: have 15 left for you.
[51:28] Speaker 2: We got more context coming for you. All of that stuff.
[51:31] Speaker 2: Stick around with us.
[51:32] Speaker 1: And remember that wildcard selection was there so that you
[51:35] Speaker 1: can argue with yourselves and leave me alone. And ladies
[51:38] Speaker 1: and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on
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