# Foxworth Friday: Travis Hunter's potential, Jalen Hurts growth, Micah Parsons vs. Jerry Jones

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 1 Aug 2025, 1 h 01 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by Domonique Foxworth for another edition of Foxworth Friday. On today’s episode, the guys start off by chatting about Travis Hunter's desire to play both ways and if he will be able to pull it off. Later, they discuss if Jalen hurts still has more to prove after winning the Super Bowl, the bizarre contract negotiations between Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons, if this is the year where things go wrong for Mike Tomlin & the Pittsburgh Steelers and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Friday. Dominique Foxworth, what's going on, man?
[0:25] Speaker 2: Not much, man. We're getting closer and closer to football
[0:28] Speaker 2: season when everybody's life gets a little easier.
[0:31] Speaker 1: Yo, everybody's life gets easier, and what amazes me, there's
[0:34] Speaker 1: nothing quite like the people on Twitter who are like, yo,
[0:36] Speaker 1: football's back. And I'm like, baby, it's the preseason kind.
[0:40] Speaker 1: And they still out there. They still here for that
[0:44] Speaker 1: near beer football.
[0:46] Speaker 2: I mean, I was about to say that nobody actually, like,
[0:50] Speaker 2: watches past the first few minutes, but I'm pretty sure
[0:52] Speaker 2: last time I checked, like, the preseason be out here
[0:55] Speaker 2: doing numbers. It's insane. Now, to be.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Fair, the competition is weak, right? But at the same.
[1:04] Speaker 3: Time, you put any football on television... and people are
[1:11] Speaker 3: lapping it up. It doesn't matter what kind.
[1:14] Speaker 4: Of football it is. People watch the Pro Bowl, right?
[1:18] Speaker 1: Like, in fact, the reason they had to change the
[1:20] Speaker 1: Pro Bowl to flag football, it really wasn't because people
[1:23] Speaker 1: didn't watch it. It's because they was watching it, and
[1:26] Speaker 1: people was getting embarrassed.
[1:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, we was watering down a product, right? When you
[1:30] Speaker 2: walk around, like, every time you watch football, you leave happy.
[1:33] Speaker 2: We can't have you watching football and leaving disappointed.
[1:35] Speaker 1: No, every time somebody would be like, yo, man, they
[1:37] Speaker 1: need to just get rid of the football, and they like.
[1:39] Speaker 4: brother, let me, let me, let me hand you this spreadsheet.
[1:43] Speaker 2: We need to get rid of the pro balls. Like, sir,
[1:46] Speaker 2: the pro ball is doing season finale numbers, my friends.
[1:51] Speaker 2: You know what the network's like? They like them numbers.
[1:53] Speaker 2: So we're going to keep something on here. I don't know.
[1:55] Speaker 2: Y'all can play. Y'all can not play. I don't know.
[1:57] Speaker 2: We play dodgeball. We're going to do something.
[2:00] Speaker 4: I feel like the thing.
[2:01] Speaker 1: So one thing I think that is often forgotten about
[2:04] Speaker 1: preseason football is the The NFL season is 20 weeks,
[2:10] Speaker 1: counting preseason and regular season. It has been that way
[2:13] Speaker 1: for a very long time. And when I say it's
[2:15] Speaker 1: been that way for a very long time, when it
[2:17] Speaker 1: was a 16-game season, there were four preseason games. But
[2:21] Speaker 1: when it was a 14-game season, there were six preseason games.
[2:28] Speaker 4: Six.
[2:32] Speaker 2: I can't imagine, man. I mean, I guess... Football requires
[2:37] Speaker 2: some acclimation. So, like, that's kind of why we... Well,
[2:41] Speaker 2: they don't even do it in college anymore where they
[2:42] Speaker 2: have the cupcakes at the front of the schedule. They
[2:45] Speaker 2: kicking that season off with something serious. And your teammates
[2:48] Speaker 2: your team yet? Like, we ain't real at this point.
[2:52] Speaker 1: Man, those August football games are so bad. And pretty soon,
[2:58] Speaker 1: they gonna have to start playing them motherfuckers at 7
[3:00] Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, man.
[3:01] Speaker 4: It's 100 degrees outside.
[3:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, that... I had that conversation when we were talking
[3:07] Speaker 2: about Travis Hunter playing both ways, and Greeny was making
[3:12] Speaker 2: the argument that he did it at elevation. I was like, eh,
[3:16] Speaker 2: I get you. He was like, he did it at elevation,
[3:18] Speaker 2: so it's going to be easier down at sea level.
[3:21] Speaker 2: I was like, eh, you know what happens at sea level? Humidity.
[3:24] Speaker 2: You know what happens in Florida? Heat. I'd rather have
[3:27] Speaker 2: a hard time getting oxygen than be down there trying
[3:30] Speaker 2: to do 150 snaps In a hundred degree weather.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Yo, I do think this though about Travis Hunter.
[3:36] Speaker 4: When Travis Hunter's time on this.
[3:38] Speaker 1: Earth is up, it's going to be like Secretariat where
[3:42] Speaker 1: he's going to die and they're going to cut him
[3:44] Speaker 1: open and they're going to find out his heart.
[3:46] Speaker 4: Was like the size of a watermelon, right?
[3:49] Speaker 1: Like we are just going to find out that he
[3:50] Speaker 1: had something inside him that is completely different. He also
[3:53] Speaker 1: appears to have one of these young people things.
[3:57] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I like, it.
[3:59] Speaker 1: May probably could be diagnosed. That boy don't never be still.
[4:03] Speaker 1: Anytime you see a clip of Travis Hunter, he is
[4:05] Speaker 1: always moving. That would drive me insane.
[4:09] Speaker 2: I don't say it to suggest that he can't do it.
[4:14] Speaker 2: Just saying like, it actually ain't easier. And you're right.
[4:17] Speaker 2: There are some people that I think just are different.
[4:20] Speaker 2: And we had this conversation about like me trying to
[4:23] Speaker 2: copy what Champ did when I first got there. It
[4:25] Speaker 2: took me three days to realize that. I can't. No,
[4:30] Speaker 2: I just can't. You're right. I think that's true about
[4:33] Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. But I'm just saying it ain't going to
[4:35] Speaker 2: be easier than it was in college. That's just the
[4:38] Speaker 2: crazy part to me.
[4:39] Speaker 4: No, but I am intrigued.
[4:40] Speaker 1: You are far more optimistic about the idea of him
[4:43] Speaker 1: playing on both sides than I am. Now, I think
[4:46] Speaker 1: when I've seen you talk about it, you made the
[4:48] Speaker 1: point that you think like 80-80, right? Like not playing
[4:53] Speaker 1: every snap of the game. I still think it's positively
[4:57] Speaker 1: insane that they're even going for this. But I think
[4:59] Speaker 1: the part that people need to remember is if you
[5:02] Speaker 1: look at how much Jacksonville gave up to trade up
[5:05] Speaker 1: to take him, it only makes sense. It can't just
[5:10] Speaker 1: be we're going to see if he can do both.
[5:13] Speaker 1: The plan must be that he could do both. The
[5:17] Speaker 1: difference between him and Shohei Ohtani is he only pitch
[5:19] Speaker 1: every five days.
[5:21] Speaker 4: And when you pitch, you don't have to play in
[5:23] Speaker 4: the field. He's going to do all of this apparently.
[5:27] Speaker 2: And like, I, I mean, no disrespect to baseball players,
[5:32] Speaker 2: but I assume that they would agree that like the
[5:35] Speaker 2: tax on your body is a little different. And he's like,
[5:39] Speaker 2: to your point, he's not playing both. He's not doing
[5:42] Speaker 2: both things at a high level at the same time,
[5:45] Speaker 2: but it's still just a different asking for different things.
[5:47] Speaker 2: There is playing corner and receiver and, it's going to
[5:51] Speaker 2: be tearing up the same muscles and body parts for
[5:54] Speaker 2: the course of an entire game. And so, like, I
[5:58] Speaker 2: don't think it's not insane. I just also think that
[6:02] Speaker 2: sometimes insane shit happens. To the point that you were making,
[6:06] Speaker 2: they might just do some sort of analysis of his
[6:10] Speaker 2: blood and find out that he just was born with
[6:13] Speaker 2: a lot more white blood cells or red blood cells
[6:15] Speaker 2: than anybody else. I don't know. It certainly seems like
[6:18] Speaker 2: what he's done so far suggests that if nothing else
[6:20] Speaker 2: is possible, But you said the thing about compensation from
[6:24] Speaker 2: one side. It only makes sense for the team. There's
[6:27] Speaker 2: the compensation question from the other side. You don't want
[6:30] Speaker 2: to get in the habit of doing two jobs for
[6:33] Speaker 2: the price of one.
[6:35] Speaker 1: Some people got mad at me about this when he
[6:37] Speaker 1: was at Colorado where I'm like, y'all keep acting like
[6:40] Speaker 1: y'all doing this boy a favor by letting him work
[6:42] Speaker 1: two jobs, by letting him work a double shift.
[6:45] Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you talking about? This is insane.
[6:48] Speaker 1: In the way NFL works, salaries are set up there's
[6:52] Speaker 1: no way at least on the rookie wage scale for
[6:55] Speaker 1: you to account for what we're talking about now maybe
[6:58] Speaker 1: he could wind up getting into that overage pool that
[7:01] Speaker 1: they have you know based on all the stuff he's doing.
[7:04] Speaker 2: But that don't work because that is uh the formula
[7:08] Speaker 2: includes where you were drafted oh yeah i i made
[7:12] Speaker 2: more my rookie year from that overage pool than i
[7:15] Speaker 2: did for my actual salaries because I was damn near
[7:18] Speaker 2: a fourth round draft pick. And so I was not
[7:21] Speaker 2: expected to play more than half of the defensive snaps.
[7:25] Speaker 2: It's different for him. I mean, I guess maybe he'll
[7:27] Speaker 2: break the formula if he plays on both sides of
[7:29] Speaker 2: the ball.
[7:30] Speaker 1: Right.
[7:31] Speaker 4: Here's my question. Does the formula even have accounting?
[7:36] Speaker 2: No, no. It goes by percentages, percentage of snaps on
[7:43] Speaker 2: your side of the ball. Or even if you combine them,
[7:45] Speaker 2: it's still going by percentage of snaps. It fucking around
[7:48] Speaker 2: and hurt him.
[7:52] Speaker 1: I think for me, and I just have eyeball scoutability, okay?
[7:57] Speaker 1: He looks like an all-pro caliber corner to me. And
[8:04] Speaker 1: like a very good receiver.
[8:06] Speaker 4: Like, I don't know.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Or maybe it's because I never really entertained the I
[8:09] Speaker 1: always thought him play a receiver was a bit more
[8:11] Speaker 1: toward like gimmick territory. Like, oh, let's throw him out here.
[8:14] Speaker 1: So I don't think when he was at Colorado, I
[8:16] Speaker 1: didn't give a lot of thought to him as a
[8:17] Speaker 1: receiver that I looked up and they said he had
[8:18] Speaker 1: 15 touchdown catches. And I was like, whoa, okay, this
[8:22] Speaker 1: is this is something now, you know, in the Big 12.
[8:24] Speaker 1: But still, it was like, oh, okay, I guess that's
[8:28] Speaker 1: what's going on here. But he out here working these doubles,
[8:31] Speaker 1: and think he the one coming out on top.
[8:35] Speaker 4: That's tough, man.
[8:36] Speaker 2: That is tough. You pointed out the rookie wage situation.
[8:40] Speaker 2: There's a cap limitation. There's also, when you get to
[8:43] Speaker 2: your contract, it's like we always base these contracts off
[8:47] Speaker 2: of precedent at your position. And so since he has
[8:51] Speaker 2: potentially an unprecedented contract position like we see this time
[8:55] Speaker 2: and time again where guys are abnormally impactful for the
[9:00] Speaker 2: position that they play and then they're caught in this
[9:03] Speaker 2: trick bag where they're trying to convince everyone else to
[9:06] Speaker 2: treat me treat me a tight end like a receiver
[9:09] Speaker 2: that's the way the yeah because that's the way this
[9:12] Speaker 2: offense is using me and treating me or treat me
[9:15] Speaker 2: like a defensive end even though I'm a tackle but
[9:18] Speaker 2: I'm having this type of impact so That aside, even
[9:21] Speaker 2: a franchise tag is a steal for him. The point
[9:24] Speaker 2: of the franchise tag is kind of to force both
[9:26] Speaker 2: sides to make a deal because of the cap implications.
[9:30] Speaker 2: It makes it pretty hard. But then if you go
[9:32] Speaker 2: into the actual open market, make me the highest paid corner,
[9:37] Speaker 2: make me the highest paid receiver. Yeah, sure. Even if
[9:40] Speaker 2: I'm not great at both, if I'm average at one
[9:44] Speaker 2: and good at the other, I deserve a lot more
[9:47] Speaker 2: than anybody else playing this game short of Patrick Mahomes,
[9:50] Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Everybody else, get behind me.
[9:55] Speaker 2: And that's just not going to work as a negotiation tactic. No,
[9:57] Speaker 2: it's not.
[9:58] Speaker 4: By the way, speaking of Lamar.
[10:00] Speaker 1: Jackson, Josh Allen, and I just thought about this because
[10:03] Speaker 1: you mentioned their names.
[10:05] Speaker 4: You know, we do on our list over here, right?
[10:09] Speaker 2: We got our.
[10:09] Speaker 1: Top 25 athletes of the top 25 years. And sometimes
[10:13] Speaker 1: we take out clips from those things and we put
[10:15] Speaker 1: them on the Internet and but people don't understand that
[10:18] Speaker 1: the clips are coming from a list, right? They just
[10:22] Speaker 1: don't get that. And so in making my case for
[10:26] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in the context of the 25 and 25 years,
[10:31] Speaker 1: discuss the fact that he's a two-time MVP who would
[10:34] Speaker 1: be a three-time MVP, except they felt like giving Josh
[10:37] Speaker 1: Allen an MVP, which I think is incontrovertibly true. You
[10:40] Speaker 1: can't make the argument that you thought that Lamar was
[10:43] Speaker 1: first team. This is like that offensive player of the
[10:44] Speaker 1: year award. that is always there just so somebody else
[10:47] Speaker 1: can get some love, right? You can't make the guy
[10:50] Speaker 1: first team all pro at quarterback and then not vote
[10:53] Speaker 1: for him at MVP, right?
[10:56] Speaker 4: That seems very Solomonic. You're splitting the baby, dog, right?
[11:02] Speaker 2: Acting like Solomon out here.
[11:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there we go, right? Like that's what we're doing.
[11:06] Speaker 1: You better call Saul so he say you're going to
[11:08] Speaker 1: cut the baby in half. And rather than somebody saying, no, no, no,
[11:12] Speaker 1: don't cut the baby in half, people are like, who,
[11:14] Speaker 1: half of you?
[11:15] Speaker 4: You cut, I choose. Right? They went with that part.
[11:20] Speaker 1: Brother, there is a fictional Lamar Jackson-Josh Allen rivalry that
[11:25] Speaker 1: only exists.
[11:26] Speaker 4: On the internet and really exists in Buffalo.
[11:30] Speaker 1: Because they think me and you still hate Josh Allen.
[11:34] Speaker 4: And first of all, we never hated him in the
[11:36] Speaker 4: first place.
[11:37] Speaker 1: But I'm like, you clearly don't listen to anything that
[11:40] Speaker 1: we say about Josh Allen.
[11:42] Speaker 2: It ain't. I mean, it ain't. I think you did
[11:47] Speaker 2: the Hulk Hogan thing, which I thought you did a
[11:49] Speaker 2: good job talking about that. And I think that all
[11:53] Speaker 2: of this stuff is sports entertainment, and some of it
[11:56] Speaker 2: is more sports than entertainment. Obviously, the wrestling is more
[12:00] Speaker 2: entertainment than sports, but I think some of the fan
[12:04] Speaker 2: behavior and some of the analysis of sports is heavily entertainment.
[12:10] Speaker 2: And I think that what you need in entertainment is
[12:13] Speaker 2: you need a good guy and you need a bad guy. Yes.
[12:16] Speaker 2: And all of us in sports media gave them enough
[12:19] Speaker 2: to make us the bad guy, and they ain't going
[12:21] Speaker 2: to let it go, which is fine. They ain't going
[12:23] Speaker 2: to let it go. I'm still experiencing the... I was
[12:28] Speaker 2: talking about the Jalen Hurts stuff. I still got that
[12:33] Speaker 2: going on. Whereas I say only positive things about Jalen
[12:36] Speaker 2: Hurts before and after the Pretty Privileged joke. And now
[12:42] Speaker 2: this man making money. I can't even get it in commercial. Jalen,
[12:46] Speaker 2: give me a call, man. I would have reset the
[12:48] Speaker 2: shit for the Sprite commercial for a couple bucks.
[12:51] Speaker 1: I forgot that they were saying that your woman wanted
[12:54] Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts more than you.
[12:56] Speaker 4: I completely forgot that.
[12:58] Speaker 1: So for those who don't remember what had happened, Dominique
[13:02] Speaker 1: got on television and said something that I thought was funny.
[13:05] Speaker 1: Let me not say that you thought was funny because
[13:07] Speaker 1: that sounds like passive-aggressive shade.
[13:10] Speaker 4: It's fine.
[13:11] Speaker 2: It obviously wasn't funny enough.
[13:12] Speaker 1: But I can't remember exactly what he said, something that
[13:16] Speaker 1: didn't make no sense. Like, I remember that very clearly
[13:19] Speaker 1: being the issue. Whatever he said didn't add up. And
[13:21] Speaker 1: Dominique was like, look, he only getting away with this.
[13:23] Speaker 1: This pretty privilege. People think he good looking and therefore
[13:26] Speaker 1: he could get away with saying this. And then it
[13:28] Speaker 1: got aggregated. And they're like, oh, you know, you know,
[13:30] Speaker 1: Fosworth girl must be all up on him. You know,
[13:32] Speaker 1: he can't get no doubt. And I'm like, boy, you guys.
[13:34] Speaker 1: have a serious misunderstanding of the confidence level of Dominique Foxworth,
[13:38] Speaker 1: number one.
[13:38] Speaker 4: Like, it was so wild as I'm hearing this, and
[13:41] Speaker 4: I hope.
[13:41] Speaker 1: That people feel like this about me when some stuff happens,
[13:44] Speaker 1: where they pop up and they're like, oh yeah, I
[13:46] Speaker 1: don't really know this dude at all, right? And so
[13:48] Speaker 1: they was coming at Dominique from every corner, and you're
[13:52] Speaker 1: obviously joking, you're laughing the whole nine, but you was
[13:55] Speaker 1: the cat that everybody was mad at for that day
[13:59] Speaker 1: because everybody need to find somebody that they go wind
[14:02] Speaker 1: up being mad at and they was mad at you
[14:04] Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts and let me tell you something man
[14:07] Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts gonna be an interesting one for me because
[14:10] Speaker 1: I still have not seen any reason for me to
[14:13] Speaker 1: change my opinion of him yeah right like I still
[14:18] Speaker 1: think that he is a good quarterback I still think
[14:22] Speaker 1: that well it may be different this year because they
[14:24] Speaker 1: had a lot of changes in personnel but last year
[14:26] Speaker 1: their weakest position group was quarterback. Now, if you think
[14:31] Speaker 1: that he is a top four or five quarterback in
[14:33] Speaker 1: the league, that still fits because every position group they
[14:36] Speaker 1: had was higher than top four, right? From offensive line,
[14:42] Speaker 1: running back, wide receivers, defensive line, linebackers, DBs.
[14:47] Speaker 4: They was all the way up there.
[14:49] Speaker 1: And if Jalen Hurts was the fifth best quarterback in
[14:51] Speaker 1: the league, which I think we all agree is the
[14:53] Speaker 1: highest that you could reasonably put him, then that was
[14:55] Speaker 1: still their weakest position group, right? But we've made it
[15:03] Speaker 1: in this world such that the quarterback is the answer
[15:06] Speaker 1: for everything, in spite of if we see it here.
[15:10] Speaker 4: And, you know, people like him, right? He is a
[15:12] Speaker 4: well-liked player.
[15:15] Speaker 1: It's going to take more for me to change where
[15:17] Speaker 1: I come from on Jalen Hurts than it did for
[15:19] Speaker 1: me to change where I came from on Josh Allen. Now, granted,
[15:21] Speaker 1: I never thought he was terrible like I thought Josh
[15:23] Speaker 1: Allen was terrible. But I'm not, I don't think I
[15:27] Speaker 1: can get there to top five, or at least I
[15:29] Speaker 1: am not there yet. If he shows that he, like
[15:31] Speaker 1: a leap, not even a leap, but a jump in
[15:33] Speaker 1: his play, I might be able to ride out with you,
[15:36] Speaker 1: but they still don't seem like they really want to
[15:38] Speaker 1: throw the ball unless they got to.
[15:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, and if any other situation you could survive, or
[15:44] Speaker 2: not even survive, thrive the way they thrived without throwing
[15:47] Speaker 2: the ball, of course you don't. Because you know what's
[15:50] Speaker 2: high risk, high reward is throwing a deep pass. You
[15:52] Speaker 2: know what's low risk and high reward? Running that thing
[15:56] Speaker 2: for 55 yards. So they had a unique situation, and
[15:58] Speaker 2: he played well in important moments. The conversation about Jalen
[16:03] Speaker 2: that I find more interesting, rather than making these comparisons,
[16:07] Speaker 2: it's just like how astonishing his career has been.
[16:10] Speaker 4: Amazing.
[16:11] Speaker 2: Like the track record. And the thing that I marvel
[16:17] Speaker 2: at for him is how every situation there are major
[16:20] Speaker 2: setbacks that would be like, oh, ain't nobody coming back
[16:24] Speaker 2: from this. And somehow he comes back. And jumps over it.
[16:27] Speaker 2: That's why I kind of feel like the people, especially
[16:31] Speaker 2: since Jalen doesn't seem to care that much, the people
[16:33] Speaker 2: who constantly want us to compare him to Patrick Mahomes
[16:38] Speaker 2: and the likes of them are doing him a disservice.
[16:41] Speaker 2: It kind of feels like I ran... a marathon and
[16:47] Speaker 2: you like, but what about them ultras though? I just
[16:52] Speaker 2: ran damn near 25 miles. Can we, like that to
[16:55] Speaker 2: me is what's so impressive about, we can go through
[16:59] Speaker 2: the whole history of his career, but he obviously, he
[17:02] Speaker 2: kind of failed to some degree at Alabama, then went
[17:05] Speaker 2: on and won the Heisman somewhere else. Well, hold on.
[17:08] Speaker 4: This is where it's interesting, right?
[17:10] Speaker 1: It's major setbacks while also being wildly successful.
[17:18] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[17:18] Speaker 4: Okay.
[17:19] Speaker 1: So freshman year at Alabama, he was the offensive player
[17:22] Speaker 1: of the year. He was first team, all SEC. And
[17:26] Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, he was a Heisman Trophy finalist, right?
[17:29] Speaker 1: Like he was way up there. And then they were, oh, see,
[17:34] Speaker 1: remember they got mad at me because I said every
[17:36] Speaker 1: team Jalen Hurts has been on has ultimately been held
[17:39] Speaker 1: back by his shortcomings as a passer, which by the way,
[17:43] Speaker 1: when I said that was absolutely true. He gets to Alabama,
[17:48] Speaker 1: I mean, Oklahoma. And if I'm not mistaken, he was
[17:51] Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy runner up first team, all big 12, third team.
[17:58] Speaker 4: All American as I'm looking at it. Not that good
[18:02] Speaker 4: a passer.
[18:02] Speaker 1: But again, everything I'm saying, yeah, but look at the
[18:05] Speaker 1: wild success that we're talking about at the top level
[18:08] Speaker 1: of it. His second year as an NFL starter. They
[18:11] Speaker 1: made it to the Super Bowl where he played a
[18:14] Speaker 1: better game than Patrick Mahomes.
[18:16] Speaker 2: That's the crazy part, man.
[18:18] Speaker 4: But then the next year it was like, bro, I
[18:20] Speaker 4: don't know about your meds. Like it's it's we say
[18:25] Speaker 4: we keep talking setbacks.
[18:27] Speaker 1: But there's so many highs that if that's all you
[18:30] Speaker 1: ever did, would it be great?
[18:34] Speaker 2: It just feels so unfair as soon as he does these.
[18:38] Speaker 2: And it's not even that they're setbacks. They feel like
[18:42] Speaker 2: falls that would be almost impossible to come back from.
[18:45] Speaker 2: It's like on the highest stage at Alabama, they benched
[18:50] Speaker 2: him and the other guy took his spot. It's hard
[18:52] Speaker 2: to bounce back from that. And then you're a second
[18:55] Speaker 2: round pick behind a guy who's a damn near wins
[18:58] Speaker 2: the MVP. It's hard to come in there and take
[19:00] Speaker 2: that spot. Then you go to Super Bowl play well
[19:03] Speaker 2: and have a really like a bad season the following
[19:06] Speaker 2: year in your second pick. It's hard to come back
[19:08] Speaker 2: from that. He then comes back and balls out in
[19:11] Speaker 2: a Super Bowl again and wins one and gets a
[19:12] Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP. It's that all the Jalen Hurts supporters,
[19:16] Speaker 2: if you really cared about him, that's what we need
[19:18] Speaker 2: to be focusing on. Stop pushing him out here to
[19:21] Speaker 2: go fight these other bullies. Let's celebrate what he's done
[19:24] Speaker 2: so far.
[19:25] Speaker 1: Well, I will say, though, the one thing that I
[19:29] Speaker 1: don't think was as hard as you pointed to was
[19:32] Speaker 1: unseating Carson Wentz.
[19:34] Speaker 4: I have two rationale.
[19:36] Speaker 1: Number one, for whatever reason, the people around him don't
[19:41] Speaker 1: seem to like him that much. I don't know why.
[19:46] Speaker 1: But number two, second round picks unseated. are intended to
[19:51] Speaker 1: be starters. Somebody took him with the thought of, you know,
[19:56] Speaker 1: maybe we can get.
[19:57] Speaker 4: This other cat out of here and do it for
[20:00] Speaker 4: the cheap. But you're right.
[20:02] Speaker 1: He has pulled it off. And now this year is
[20:04] Speaker 1: going to be interesting because they don't have all the
[20:06] Speaker 1: same guys, right? Like, Mekhi Becton not playing left guard
[20:10] Speaker 1: or whichever guard he played for you. They didn't dare
[20:12] Speaker 1: put him on the same side as Lane, did they?
[20:14] Speaker 2: He was on the right.
[20:16] Speaker 4: Oh, God.
[20:16] Speaker 2: I think he was on the right.
[20:17] Speaker 4: The eclipse. They just had an eclipse on the right
[20:20] Speaker 4: side of the line. I can't imagine.
[20:21] Speaker 1: You imagine you play over there and it's Lane on
[20:24] Speaker 1: the other side.
[20:24] Speaker 4: And you're like, no, let me get the light work.
[20:26] Speaker 4: The 375-pound guy next to him.
[20:31] Speaker 2: First round pick.
[20:33] Speaker 1: I told you, I posted up with Lane at Super
[20:35] Speaker 1: Bowl in Vegas and I just couldn't believe it.
[20:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, Lane, I remember, I think it was at the
[20:43] Speaker 2: same party we saw where he was walking around with
[20:45] Speaker 2: a diamond chain.
[20:46] Speaker 4: Big old chain.
[20:46] Speaker 2: I was like, man, I didn't even know how to
[20:49] Speaker 2: feel or think. It just, yeah, sometimes it's just different
[20:53] Speaker 2: species of humans and Lane fits in that category.
[20:58] Speaker 4: Ryan says that Lane Johnson used to be a quarterback.
[21:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that.
[21:03] Speaker 1: I don't understand what that means. Like, what are you
[21:06] Speaker 1: talking about? Quarterback where and how? Like, I'm hearing this
[21:10] Speaker 1: and I'm suspended.
[21:13] Speaker 2: He was a quarterback in Juco. Hold up, hold up.
[21:18] Speaker 4: So we're not even talking about like seventh grade.
[21:20] Speaker 2: No, no, no, not in high school. He played quarterback
[21:22] Speaker 2: in tight end at Juco.
[21:24] Speaker 4: What fucking offense were they running?
[21:27] Speaker 2: Would Lane Johnson show up and say, I'm a quarterback?
[21:30] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[21:31] Speaker 4: I mean, yo, let me tell you this.
[21:33] Speaker 1: I just thought of something that could... I mean, maybe
[21:36] Speaker 1: it would mess the party up.
[21:37] Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
[21:38] Speaker 4: You know what I just thought about, didn't you?
[21:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[21:40] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[21:42] Speaker 1: Just pushing Lane Johnson as quarterback.
[21:47] Speaker 2: I just thought about it.
[21:48] Speaker 4: Would you.
[21:49] Speaker 1: Would you lose with like with losing Lane Johnson as
[21:52] Speaker 1: the tackle mess it up or would it make the
[21:54] Speaker 1: touch push absolutely more unstoppable?
[21:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, it would make it. I mean, that should be
[21:59] Speaker 2: first down play. We get four at least. We get
[22:02] Speaker 2: four at least. And that reminds me of like the
[22:05] Speaker 2: Trent Williams when the 49ers had that man running in motion.
[22:10] Speaker 2: To kick out.
[22:11] Speaker 4: Oh, me and you both were like, hey, y'all can't
[22:13] Speaker 4: allow this.
[22:14] Speaker 2: Rules committee. Hey, I need to send y'all this video.
[22:20] Speaker 1: That's like that in all the plays that Big Brain
[22:22] Speaker 1: Ben used to run for Sewell.
[22:24] Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. I think so. My son is probably going
[22:28] Speaker 2: to play tackle for the first time this year. And
[22:30] Speaker 2: they're like certain rules to keep like the bigger kids
[22:34] Speaker 2: in certain leagues away. Like you can't be like 220
[22:37] Speaker 2: and running the ball because nobody can't tackle you. Yeah,
[22:40] Speaker 2: we need to institute some of that around here, around
[22:42] Speaker 2: the NFL.
[22:43] Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this with Sewell. And just before
[22:46] Speaker 1: I say this, I need y'all to understand. I'm not
[22:50] Speaker 1: the one being racist. How soon is Vince McMahon at
[22:55] Speaker 1: Sewell's door the second he says he don't want to
[22:57] Speaker 1: play football no more? Like, I'm actually surprised that Vince
[23:00] Speaker 1: McMahon wasn't in the parking lot at Oregon every day
[23:04] Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get Sewell to be
[23:06] Speaker 1: a wrestler.
[23:08] Speaker 2: I mean, wouldn't The history of wrestling is not even
[23:13] Speaker 2: with you being in your nationality. If we can trick them,
[23:18] Speaker 2: we gonna trick them.
[23:20] Speaker 1: I'm just saying, him as a Polynesian is a long
[23:23] Speaker 1: line of big old athletic Polynesians. Other than The Rock,
[23:29] Speaker 1: when's the last time we had a really good Polynesian wrestler?
[23:32] Speaker 1: I ain't been paying attention because the problem was all
[23:35] Speaker 1: the portrayals of the Polynesian wrestlers were Over the top racist.
[23:40] Speaker 1: Like it always seemed like Jimmy Superfly Schnooker was ready
[23:43] Speaker 1: to drink out of somebody's head. Like crack it open.
[23:47] Speaker 1: They always had him out there. Like they was about
[23:50] Speaker 1: to eat Captain Cook. Oh, I forgot Roman Reigns. He
[23:53] Speaker 1: Apollo Nietzsche.
[23:53] Speaker 2: Oh, is he?
[23:54] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[23:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. I don't follow it like I
[23:56] Speaker 2: used to, obviously.
[23:57] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[23:58] Speaker 2: But I do remember that they just had to cheat code.
[24:01] Speaker 2: They're like, look, we, we, you know how we can
[24:03] Speaker 2: tell stories. is if we show you something and we
[24:06] Speaker 2: know exactly what you're thinking, we gonna reinforce it. We
[24:09] Speaker 2: don't gotta drive it home anymore than we already have.
[24:11] Speaker 4: That's correct.
[24:12] Speaker 1: But I still think that Panay Sewell, like, they would've,
[24:15] Speaker 1: I don't know if he got a brother, but Vince
[24:17] Speaker 1: would've made them a tag team. They'd have been out
[24:20] Speaker 1: there doing some incredible moves.
[24:22] Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
[24:23] Speaker 1: You know the thing where you give him, throw him,
[24:26] Speaker 1: what they call it, the Irish whip, and then you
[24:28] Speaker 1: throw him in the ropes, and then when they run
[24:30] Speaker 1: at you, you jump up like spread eagle over him.
[24:33] Speaker 4: I bet you Sewell can do that.
[24:34] Speaker 1: I would be afraid for him to try that trick
[24:36] Speaker 1: on my watch, but I bet you Sewell could do that.
[24:38] Speaker 2: There was just like a random D-line in that, and
[24:42] Speaker 2: when I was in Denver, that could just hit backflips.
[24:45] Speaker 2: I was just like, I couldn't do a backflip. I
[24:48] Speaker 2: was 200 pounds lighter than him. And faster, more explosive.
[24:52] Speaker 2: It's just like the level. Who was the guy? It
[24:56] Speaker 2: was Tristan Wirfs, right? That man did a vertical leap
[25:02] Speaker 2: out of a pool. Go try it. Google it. Look
[25:08] Speaker 2: it up. Watch him do it. Then go goddamn try it.
[25:13] Speaker 4: Do you know how hard that is? It's absurd.
[25:16] Speaker 2: You know how much strength you have to have and power?
[25:19] Speaker 2: It's not just strength and power. exposed because he's also big.
[25:23] Speaker 2: You throw your body out of a pool.
[25:26] Speaker 1: I believe is that also when it works, worse went
[25:30] Speaker 1: to Iowa.
[25:31] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Iowa.
[25:32] Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay.
[25:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[25:33] Speaker 1: That Iowa strength program, man, that Iowa strength program is
[25:39] Speaker 1: a whole nother thing. I'd also want to say this
[25:41] Speaker 1: while I'm thinking about it with the Polynesians. Don't the
[25:44] Speaker 1: Polynesians break all of our binary race-based assumptions of athletic
[25:48] Speaker 1: ability and Like, where do the Polynesians fall in on this?
[25:52] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[25:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't paid. I mean, outside of football, it's and.
[25:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I seem to be the
[26:01] Speaker 1: only sport that we really done got them into. But
[26:03] Speaker 1: they be out there running. They be out there jumping.
[26:05] Speaker 1: They be doing all that stuff. And all I'm saying
[26:08] Speaker 1: is like that boy Tua, if we didn't know that
[26:11] Speaker 1: Polynesia existed. Where he get his hair cut at, you
[26:16] Speaker 1: feel me?
[26:17] Speaker 2: Right?
[26:18] Speaker 4: Like they would be saying that's us.
[26:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, his brother went to Maryland and was a quarterback
[26:23] Speaker 2: there for a while. And yeah, that's us.
[26:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, they out there trying to explain to the cops. No, no, no.
[26:32] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[26:33] Speaker 4: Why you going through my shit, man? Like, no, come on, man. Oh,
[26:37] Speaker 4: it happened.
[26:38] Speaker 1: Y'all think, Reed, Reed, don't you see all these letters?
[26:42] Speaker 1: That ain't African. You know what I'm saying?
[26:44] Speaker 4: They out here trying to get out of the, get
[26:45] Speaker 4: out of the trick bag. Cause they've been discriminated against
[26:48] Speaker 4: in that moment.
[26:50] Speaker 2: I can't get past the jumping out of a pool.
[26:52] Speaker 2: It's summertime. So y'all, y'all are y'all probably in pools
[26:55] Speaker 2: every now and then just try it.
[26:57] Speaker 1: The other thing is, it's not just the fact that
[26:59] Speaker 1: you could jump out the pool and make it is
[27:01] Speaker 1: that you got to have the confidence to know you got,
[27:03] Speaker 1: you got to make that clearly because otherwise this could
[27:06] Speaker 1: turn into a catastrophe.
[27:07] Speaker 2: Yeah. at that size like what are you doing man
[27:11] Speaker 2: there's only there's only one way to get out of
[27:13] Speaker 2: pools it's a climb out that's the only way anyone's
[27:16] Speaker 2: ever gotten out of pools sometimes with a ladder sometimes
[27:18] Speaker 2: on the ledge no one's ever gotten out of a
[27:21] Speaker 2: pool in any other way there's many ways to get
[27:23] Speaker 2: in the pool but there's only one way to get
[27:25] Speaker 2: out unless your name is tristan works i ain't never
[27:27] Speaker 2: seen nobody else do.
[27:28] Speaker 1: That well i also think the other thing that people
[27:30] Speaker 1: lose sight of generally speaking about the athleticism of offensive
[27:33] Speaker 1: linemen is they're not faster than you but they're faster
[27:36] Speaker 1: than me They're faster than 95% of the people who
[27:40] Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast.
[27:41] Speaker 4: Like, oh, man, he ran a 5.2 in the 40.
[27:44] Speaker 4: You go do it.
[27:46] Speaker 1: Go do it right now, and I bet you're not
[27:47] Speaker 1: going to put up no 5.2.
[27:49] Speaker 2: That is always funny how people just assume, yeah, that
[27:54] Speaker 2: they can run a certain time. Like, it happens every year.
[27:56] Speaker 2: No one gets out of it. Like, yeah, y'all listening,
[27:59] Speaker 2: y'all running 7.6s. Like, it's a long, long way, unless
[28:04] Speaker 2: you're a college athlete or something. It's a long way
[28:07] Speaker 2: to run.
[28:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, most of y'all ain't getting no 40-yard. And them
[28:10] Speaker 1: big boys be out there getting it. Like when Andre
[28:12] Speaker 1: Smith that year, when he was out there with them
[28:15] Speaker 1: thangs swanging left and right and we had all them jokes,
[28:17] Speaker 1: his big ass was running faster than you could.
[28:21] Speaker 2: Oh, gosh. I'm sorry. I got sidetracked. I was just
[28:23] Speaker 2: watching this man explode out of a pool.
[28:28] Speaker 1: I tell you, man, that sizzle reel that the Iowa
[28:31] Speaker 1: strength program, you know, they had to get rid of
[28:34] Speaker 1: that one strength coach, you know, because all that sizzle.
[28:38] Speaker 1: In fact, we need to go look at the roster, man,
[28:40] Speaker 1: see if they got any more of the new phenomenon
[28:43] Speaker 1: coming out of there. Because they had our boy Coop,
[28:46] Speaker 1: Riley Moss. They be trying the new phenomenon out there.
[28:50] Speaker 1: Shout out to the OG new phenomenon from Iowa, Tim Dwight.
[28:54] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
[28:55] Speaker 2: Riley Moss is underappreciated. Coop got a lot of love
[28:58] Speaker 2: because of his basketball tape and because his team was
[29:01] Speaker 2: really good and he played in big-time moments and made plays.
[29:04] Speaker 2: I don't mean this to be judgmental of him, but
[29:07] Speaker 2: I think we got to be honest. He's a hell
[29:11] Speaker 2: of a white nickel. Nickel.
[29:15] Speaker 4: Nickel.
[29:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Emphasize that. Yeah. My bad. Oh, no, no.
[29:25] Speaker 4: You did just fine. I just need you to know
[29:28] Speaker 4: who your real friends are. You know what I'm saying?
[29:30] Speaker 4: I'm not going to leave you out there.
[29:31] Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And I know that Cooper DeGene, you
[29:35] Speaker 2: and I were on this early. I know he has
[29:38] Speaker 2: the ability to play on the outside. and does sometimes.
[29:42] Speaker 2: But we underappreciate Riley Moss because that man play on
[29:46] Speaker 2: the outside all the time. And he plays opposite Patrick Sertan.
[29:50] Speaker 2: And that's not even it. On a defense, on a
[29:54] Speaker 2: defense that only plays man-to-man coverage. Every snap just about.
[30:01] Speaker 4: Milk check every down.
[30:04] Speaker 1: I had not considered the fact that he is the
[30:07] Speaker 1: other corner. And you as someone who has lived a
[30:10] Speaker 1: life as being the other corner on the other side
[30:13] Speaker 1: of that guy.
[30:14] Speaker 4: You getting a workout today, buddy.
[30:17] Speaker 2: I've been the other corner on the other side of
[30:19] Speaker 2: one of the best in the league and in the
[30:21] Speaker 2: history of the league. And I also... have a complexion
[30:24] Speaker 2: that will make you think twice and put up a
[30:26] Speaker 2: 40 time that might make you run some short routes.
[30:30] Speaker 2: Riley Moss is out there. And again, I played in
[30:33] Speaker 2: a defense that we mixed some zone in. We did
[30:35] Speaker 2: a lot of zero blitzes and some man coverage, but
[30:38] Speaker 2: we mixed in some fours and twos. That ain't really
[30:40] Speaker 2: what they doing. I ain't looked up the percentage, but
[30:42] Speaker 2: they have to lead the league in man coverage percentage.
[30:45] Speaker 2: And he just out there manned up all game long.
[30:49] Speaker 1: I think part of why Coop gets the attention is,
[30:52] Speaker 1: I remember where Riley Moss was going through draft process.
[30:54] Speaker 1: I think he was a second or third round pick,
[30:56] Speaker 1: somewhere in there. But, you know, the projections were that
[30:59] Speaker 1: he would be there. You'd see people talking about it,
[31:01] Speaker 1: but they didn't really, like, get into the conversation. And
[31:04] Speaker 1: I think he walked so that Coop could run. Like,
[31:07] Speaker 1: once it became clear that Riley Moss was an actual, like,
[31:11] Speaker 1: NFL player, now we... But even then, they were still
[31:14] Speaker 1: real skeptical on our guy Coop, right? I think they
[31:17] Speaker 1: started looking at him a little closer, like, huh, look
[31:19] Speaker 1: at that nose.
[31:19] Speaker 4: I think he might be able to.
[31:21] Speaker 1: I think he might be able to get it done.
[31:25] Speaker 2: Trying to claim my man.
[31:30] Speaker 4: That's right.
[31:31] Speaker 2: That's right, man. Oh, goodness, man.
[31:34] Speaker 4: Coming up next. Coming up next. We're going to talk
[31:36] Speaker 4: about Jerry Jones being all something a little bit cuckoo.
[31:39] Speaker 2: All right.
[31:41] Speaker 1: We are back with Dominique Foxworth. And I was sitting
[31:45] Speaker 1: here minding my own business, getting ready for the show.
[31:48] Speaker 4: Coming up with stuff.
[31:49] Speaker 1: And I look up on the television and you up
[31:51] Speaker 1: there with Adam Schefter and you were there with Ryan Clark.
[31:55] Speaker 1: And Adam Schefter was explaining how the Michael Parsons deal
[31:58] Speaker 1: is not imminent because Michael Parsons just at practice looking
[32:01] Speaker 1: sad every day, right?
[32:03] Speaker 4: Just looking bummed out.
[32:05] Speaker 1: But he got to come so they don't find him,
[32:07] Speaker 1: you know, take his money away from him. And Adam
[32:10] Speaker 1: Schefter told us the reason that apparently a deal has
[32:14] Speaker 1: not been done with Michael Parsons.
[32:16] Speaker 4: And if you haven't heard this, this is pretty amazing.
[32:20] Speaker 1: So apparently, Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons had worked out
[32:26] Speaker 1: the framework of a deal. Notice I say Jerry Jones
[32:30] Speaker 1: and Micah Parsons. I don't mean Jerry Jones and Micah
[32:32] Speaker 1: Parsons camp. I mean Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons had
[32:37] Speaker 1: worked this deal out. And at some point, Micah Parsons' agent,
[32:43] Speaker 1: David Mulgeda, was like, what?
[32:46] Speaker 4: You lost your mind.
[32:48] Speaker 1: And so now he's coming in and trying to undo
[32:51] Speaker 1: some of what had been discussed, right?
[32:56] Speaker 5: But Jerry Jones is like, hey, deal's a deal. Well,
[33:00] Speaker 5: you already worked that part out. And that is a
[33:02] Speaker 5: significant part of why we're still here. The way Adam
[33:05] Speaker 5: Schefter talked about it is the idea of the deal
[33:07] Speaker 5: is foregone conclusion is not there.
[33:09] Speaker 1: That they've got to undo and redo in order to
[33:13] Speaker 1: make this happen.
[33:14] Speaker 4: And Dominique, how did they make this so difficult?
[33:17] Speaker 1: I mean, you don't give Michael Parsons exactly what he
[33:21] Speaker 1: asked for, but you kind of do.
[33:25] Speaker 2: I was going to say that I don't want to
[33:26] Speaker 2: repeat the stuff that I said on Get Up, but
[33:29] Speaker 2: I imagine that. excuse me, not everybody is watching.
[33:33] Speaker 1: Hold on, you're not required to make up new answers
[33:35] Speaker 1: when the answer is the answer.
[33:37] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Just so you know. We
[33:39] Speaker 4: can't let these motherfuckers have this because I've been seeing
[33:41] Speaker 4: this happen too. We were like, man, you said the
[33:43] Speaker 4: same thing over. Sometimes you do that.
[33:47] Speaker 2: I just have a hard time because I understand when
[33:52] Speaker 2: there are situations, I understand why some negotiations get difficult
[33:58] Speaker 2: and contentious. Like, While I rarely and probably never as
[34:02] Speaker 2: fair end up on the side of management, I understand.
[34:06] Speaker 2: I pipe down a little bit if that argument has happened.
[34:10] Speaker 2: I just might avoid that topic because I don't feel
[34:13] Speaker 2: like caping for them. This one don't make no sense. Like,
[34:17] Speaker 2: this is a simple situation, and there are negotiations in this.
[34:22] Speaker 2: This should not be a negotiation. I think this is
[34:24] Speaker 2: tantamount to a max salary in basketball. Like, it's time.
[34:31] Speaker 2: This is what he get. Pay him. This is not
[34:33] Speaker 2: someone you should negotiate with. He was a first round
[34:36] Speaker 2: pick who performed better than you, who performed like on
[34:39] Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame track. What are we doing? You
[34:44] Speaker 2: pay him $ 1 more than the person who got paid
[34:47] Speaker 2: at that position prior to him. You make him the
[34:50] Speaker 2: highest paid non-quarterback in the league. The sooner you can
[34:52] Speaker 2: do it, the better off you can be. That's what
[34:55] Speaker 2: I don't understand is you have to understand that There
[34:59] Speaker 2: are some car dealerships you can go into and haggle.
[35:03] Speaker 2: There are some that the price is the price because
[35:07] Speaker 2: it's so rare and valuable. Tell me somebody who got
[35:10] Speaker 2: a good deal on a brand new Lamborghini. Never happened.
[35:15] Speaker 2: Not never. Not never. Just go in there and pay.
[35:18] Speaker 2: That's what doesn't make sense to me. It's just not
[35:21] Speaker 2: how it works. It's how it's ever worked. I don't
[35:22] Speaker 2: know what they're doing from the cowboy side.
[35:24] Speaker 4: He is.
[35:25] Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this He is probably the greatest
[35:32] Speaker 1: non-terp defensive player in the history of the Dallas Cowboys.
[35:38] Speaker 1: Only that one terp I can think of. DeMarcus Ware
[35:42] Speaker 1: is maybe in the conversation also, right?
[35:44] Speaker 4: But if we're not talking about Randy White, I can't
[35:46] Speaker 4: think of a Cowboy. Oh, Diaz Adams.
[35:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[35:51] Speaker 4: But you can make an argument.
[35:53] Speaker 1: Given the thing that gets lost because they don't ask
[35:56] Speaker 1: him to do it anymore is that Michael Parsons would
[35:59] Speaker 1: be maybe the best off-ball linebacker too, right? Because the
[36:04] Speaker 1: plan was not for him to be an edge rusher
[36:06] Speaker 1: when he got there. Otherwise, he does not go number
[36:08] Speaker 1: 12 or whatever it was in the draft.
[36:10] Speaker 4: Then they're like, oh, he could do that too? Okay, cool.
[36:13] Speaker 4: He's that guy. There's no way around it. I can't believe...
[36:19] Speaker 4: I could understand why it might take you a while
[36:21] Speaker 4: to come to a consensus with C.D. Lamb.
[36:23] Speaker 1: I could understand how it is that you don't want
[36:25] Speaker 1: to have to make yourself pay Dak Prescott all that money.
[36:27] Speaker 4: You should be excited about giving that money to Michael Parsons.
[36:30] Speaker 2: You can't wait. Like, there's no way that it helps you. So, like,
[36:34] Speaker 2: if you pay him sooner, the price is lower. If
[36:37] Speaker 2: you pay him sooner, your cap hit is lower. If
[36:40] Speaker 2: you pay him sooner, then you have him extended through
[36:44] Speaker 2: the period where he is most impactful. You pay him sooner,
[36:48] Speaker 2: you have money to negotiate, to add other people to
[36:51] Speaker 2: this roster. And when there are players, like there are
[36:54] Speaker 2: some deals that are easy to do. And I don't
[36:57] Speaker 2: understand why you want to expend so much of this capital. Like,
[37:01] Speaker 2: I don't know. And the fact that David Mugeta is a,
[37:05] Speaker 2: like a long time, really successful, like one of the
[37:08] Speaker 2: best agents in football. The fact that he is the
[37:11] Speaker 2: agent makes it even easier. You ain't pulling the fast
[37:15] Speaker 2: one on him, man. He know the game. And he also, like,
[37:18] Speaker 2: he ain't trying to do nothing tricky. I don't know
[37:19] Speaker 2: what he's asking for, but he ain't trying to make
[37:22] Speaker 2: a name for himself. You know what the deal is.
[37:25] Speaker 2: Sign the deal.
[37:26] Speaker 4: And they got a good team. Yeah. I think it is...
[37:30] Speaker 4: Because they.
[37:31] Speaker 1: Are such an understandable object of ridicule, it's easy to
[37:37] Speaker 1: lose sight of the fact they won.
[37:38] Speaker 4: Seven games last year with a very hurt Dak Prescott, right? Now,
[37:42] Speaker 4: they gave up. Holy shit. Do you know how many
[37:46] Speaker 4: points they gave up last year?
[37:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot.
[37:48] Speaker 4: Do you know the exact number?
[37:50] Speaker 2: I don't. 468.
[37:51] Speaker 4: To put this in context, the Eagles.
[38:00] Speaker 4: Scored 463 that's not right right so it was like
[38:03] Speaker 4: the eagles gave.
[38:04] Speaker 1: Up 303 the cowboys gave up 468 even better context
[38:07] Speaker 1: the giants gave up 450 oh i mean that's awful
[38:08] Speaker 1: awful awful.
[38:25] Speaker 4: Awful, but they still have a chance to be pretty good.
[38:28] Speaker 1: My expectation is that this Washington thing is not going to.
[38:32] Speaker 4: Go for people the way that they expect it to.
[38:34] Speaker 1: I think I always, my assumption with young quarterback in
[38:40] Speaker 1: year two is not, and it's only up from here.
[38:42] Speaker 1: That's People tend to catch on to whatever it is
[38:48] Speaker 1: Cliff has been doing. You know, you got that situation. Oh,
[38:51] Speaker 1: and they ain't giving Terry McLaurin his money, which is
[38:53] Speaker 1: another confusing one. But all right, whatever y'all think, right?
[38:58] Speaker 1: The Cowboys got a good chance to be second in
[39:00] Speaker 1: that division, which can be a Super Bowl contender, to
[39:03] Speaker 1: be honest.
[39:04] Speaker 4: You know, you get the right draw. You can make
[39:06] Speaker 4: this happen. This the guy you just got to get
[39:08] Speaker 4: a bread to, man.
[39:10] Speaker 1: But Jerry, my thing with Jerry now is, And I've
[39:13] Speaker 1: long thought that Jerry gets a bit of a bad rap.
[39:15] Speaker 1: I think Jerry's a better football man than he has
[39:17] Speaker 1: gotten credit for. I met Jerry in person for the
[39:21] Speaker 1: first time.
[39:21] Speaker 4: In fact, you were with me. I believe it was 2022.
[39:23] Speaker 1: We did a Bob Costas show back on the record
[39:26] Speaker 1: with Bob Costas.
[39:27] Speaker 4: And Jerry was there.
[39:28] Speaker 1: And when you're around Jerry, you can see oh this
[39:30] Speaker 1: is how this is how he traffics this is why
[39:32] Speaker 1: he gets where he is he feels old now and
[39:38] Speaker 1: he never felt old before but he feels old but
[39:41] Speaker 1: is still always at the microphone I love.
[39:46] Speaker 4: Loves it.
[39:47] Speaker 1: But every day you get a whole, and look, it's
[39:50] Speaker 1: tough for cats getting older, man. Every day they know
[39:52] Speaker 1: that they not as sharp as they was the day before,
[39:54] Speaker 1: you know, but Jerry is on the mic every day
[39:57] Speaker 1: and we're seeing it.
[39:59] Speaker 4: We're seeing it and it is not helpful.
[40:02] Speaker 2: And he also like still has the power and influence
[40:06] Speaker 2: that he had before. So I suspect that he allow,
[40:10] Speaker 2: I hope, I mean, I've heard to be fair that,
[40:14] Speaker 2: Some of the football scouting and those decisions are delegated
[40:18] Speaker 2: to younger, more qualified people. Not necessarily more qualified, more
[40:23] Speaker 2: active people. And he still wants to make these bigger
[40:25] Speaker 2: decisions and talk about these bigger decisions, which makes everyone
[40:29] Speaker 2: else's job and life more difficult. But that's the situation.
[40:32] Speaker 2: I don't know any way around it. You started to
[40:34] Speaker 2: go to the Terry McLaurin thing. And this was the
[40:38] Speaker 2: big sticking point for me on Terry McLaurin is, I
[40:42] Speaker 2: understand the position of the commanders where they're like, all right, well,
[40:48] Speaker 2: you ain't better than Justin Jefferson, so we can't pay you.
[40:51] Speaker 2: You're 30 and receivers go down at that point, so
[40:54] Speaker 2: we can't pay you. I get it logically. But you
[40:58] Speaker 2: know who you can't get? Justin Jefferson. You know who
[41:01] Speaker 2: else you can't get? Some receiver under 30. This is
[41:04] Speaker 2: the situation you're in and you believe yourself to be
[41:08] Speaker 2: in some sort of championship window. You have a quarterback
[41:12] Speaker 2: who specializes in throwing the deep ball. You know who
[41:14] Speaker 2: caught most of those? Terry McLaurin. Like, it's about your options.
[41:19] Speaker 2: You don't have any other options unless you want to
[41:22] Speaker 2: take a step back this year, which they may have
[41:25] Speaker 2: to anyway because, I mean, it's just hard in football.
[41:28] Speaker 2: And a lot of their one-score wins, they had a
[41:30] Speaker 2: Hail Mary win. They were like 100% on fourth down
[41:33] Speaker 2: conversions last year. Like, that stuff could change. But you certainly–
[41:37] Speaker 2: not going to be any better without him. So I
[41:39] Speaker 2: really don't get the rationale, especially while you have a
[41:41] Speaker 2: quarterback who's playing MVP-level football for rookie money.
[41:45] Speaker 1: A young guy, man. Like, again, I'm telling you, it's
[41:48] Speaker 1: ups and downs with that. You still need to keep
[41:50] Speaker 1: everything else around the young guy cracking. You still need everything. Man,
[41:55] Speaker 1: you live there, man. I can only imagine how.
[41:58] Speaker 4: Excited they are.
[41:59] Speaker 1: They team good, and it look like they might start
[42:02] Speaker 1: being racist again. Boy, I can't imagine how gassed up
[42:06] Speaker 1: people are down there. For those of you who ain't
[42:08] Speaker 1: seen this, Trump trying to get them to go back
[42:10] Speaker 1: to calling the team the R's.
[42:13] Speaker 4: He wants to get back there.
[42:14] Speaker 2: When you talk about the Washington football team could go
[42:18] Speaker 2: back to being racist, you got to be specific. Because
[42:21] Speaker 2: if they go back to their true racist roots- they're
[42:24] Speaker 2: going to be looking for a quarterback again.
[42:25] Speaker 4: That is true.
[42:26] Speaker 2: That is true. That is true.
[42:27] Speaker 4: That is true.
[42:28] Speaker 1: Yo, the Rs are my greatest example of every time
[42:31] Speaker 1: somebody like the fans won't tolerate progress, what you think
[42:34] Speaker 1: they was giving back that Doug Williams, you, you, you, you,
[42:37] Speaker 1: Doug Williams still ain't paying for nothing around those parts.
[42:39] Speaker 1: You think, you think they was like, nah, I'd rather the,
[42:43] Speaker 1: the way that Dallas fans would rather not win than
[42:45] Speaker 1: do it without me. They would rather lose a look
[42:48] Speaker 1: at Dodgers than win with Anthony Davis.
[42:51] Speaker 4: That is not how they treated that Doug Williams super.
[42:54] Speaker 2: Love it. Love that Doug Williams Super Bowl. Even though
[42:58] Speaker 2: there's a last team in pro football to have black
[43:01] Speaker 2: people on it. Like that Doug Williams Super Bowl.
[43:03] Speaker 1: Dude, I told you, man, you go look at what
[43:06] Speaker 1: their record was before Joe Gibbs.
[43:08] Speaker 4: They the Cardinals.
[43:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[43:10] Speaker 4: Like they, they just, they were just like, nah, we'd
[43:12] Speaker 4: rather be sorry.
[43:13] Speaker 2: The Cardinals. Like, I don't know when it was. It
[43:16] Speaker 2: was a few, like 10 years ago or so or
[43:19] Speaker 2: something like that where I realized that how historic a
[43:22] Speaker 2: franchise the Cardinals are. They're the oldest. Right. And we
[43:27] Speaker 2: don't think of them that way because they don't got
[43:30] Speaker 2: no glory days. It's crazy. Like, the Cardinals feel like
[43:34] Speaker 2: an expansion team from the 90s a little bit. But
[43:36] Speaker 2: the Cardinals... been to multiple cities and they've been around
[43:40] Speaker 2: since this shit started and they just ain't had nothing
[43:42] Speaker 2: that we can look to and be like, oh, remember
[43:44] Speaker 2: when they had that dynasty?
[43:45] Speaker 4: Well, because think about it, right?
[43:46] Speaker 1: The Bears, you can talk about the dick of years,
[43:49] Speaker 1: but the Bears, honestly, since like the 1940s, have been sorry.
[43:54] Speaker 2: Right?
[43:54] Speaker 1: They won a championship, I want to say, in 1963.
[43:57] Speaker 1: They won the one in 1985. Otherwise they've been cheats,
[44:00] Speaker 1: but they're the bears. We can point at least to
[44:02] Speaker 1: those points.
[44:02] Speaker 4: We got some names.
[44:03] Speaker 1: The Cardinals ain't got no coach that we think like,
[44:06] Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Arians and like the things they've done,
[44:08] Speaker 1: but you're right. They ain't had no run, but I
[44:10] Speaker 1: believe that of the active franchises, I believe.
[44:13] Speaker 4: They are the oldest and we don't, you're right. We
[44:16] Speaker 4: don't think of them that way at all.
[44:20] Speaker 2: And it's like those old franchises, like their logos mean something.
[44:24] Speaker 2: And it like, it resonates for you. Like that bird
[44:27] Speaker 2: don't do nothing for me, man. That little bird head. Like,
[44:31] Speaker 2: I feel like that, like the bear. See, like, I
[44:34] Speaker 2: see that. I, that Packers emblem. I see that. I'm like, football.
[44:40] Speaker 2: I see that Cardinals bird. I'm like, okay.
[44:42] Speaker 1: Cool somebody looks like a three and a half point
[44:46] Speaker 1: uh underdog like that is.
[44:48] Speaker 2: The steelers man i see that little steelers thing i
[44:51] Speaker 2: think about yeah yo.
[44:53] Speaker 1: And the steelers by the way are another team that
[44:55] Speaker 1: was sorry until they weren't they were the worst team
[44:58] Speaker 1: in the league until the 70s came and they were
[45:01] Speaker 1: like okay got two ideas i hear those black people
[45:04] Speaker 1: colleges have good players and um shall we say, the training.
[45:11] Speaker 4: The prayers, and the vitamins.
[45:13] Speaker 1: They got all the training, the prayers, and the vitamins,
[45:17] Speaker 1: and then they was unreal. But if you took that
[45:19] Speaker 1: six-year period out where they won those four Super Bowls, ooh,
[45:23] Speaker 1: that's another one that's.
[45:25] Speaker 4: A shaky situation.
[45:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, since then, though. Yes.
[45:29] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[45:29] Speaker 2: They had, but yeah, that's like the history of it.
[45:32] Speaker 2: And like the, I mean, the Cowboys are kind of
[45:34] Speaker 2: the ultimate example, but they've had some good runs. The
[45:36] Speaker 2: fair thing about the Cowboys, they haven't won championship, but
[45:38] Speaker 2: they had some like meaningful runs since then, including Romo
[45:43] Speaker 2: to Dak.
[45:44] Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
[45:44] Speaker 1: I mean the whole Tom Landry era was like amazing.
[45:48] Speaker 1: He was only sorry for like a couple of years.
[45:51] Speaker 1: And then, you know, the Jerry like.
[45:53] Speaker 4: Got him out of here.
[45:54] Speaker 1: But with the Steelers, the reason I bring that up
[45:56] Speaker 1: and I think often gets lost is Tomlin has the line,
[45:59] Speaker 1: the standard is the standard, right? And it is caught
[46:01] Speaker 1: because Mike Tomlin is like the Jay-Z of football, right?
[46:05] Speaker 4: He got that bar for you that you'll remember.
[46:08] Speaker 1: But take away the four championships in six years. They're
[46:14] Speaker 1: just like everybody else when it comes to Super Bowls, right?
[46:18] Speaker 1: They have won two Super Bowls since 1979.
[46:20] Speaker 4: Two. So, I mean....
[46:24] Speaker 2: To be fair, though, who are you talking about that
[46:28] Speaker 2: does not? Because I know how we got here, so
[46:32] Speaker 2: it doesn't sound crazy, but in isolation, take away the
[46:35] Speaker 2: four Super Bowls in six years.
[46:38] Speaker 4: It does.
[46:38] Speaker 1: But given that that was now 50 years ago, I
[46:42] Speaker 1: think we could look at this a little bit. The
[46:43] Speaker 1: argument that, yes, Tomlin has not won a playoff game
[46:48] Speaker 1: since the Obama administration, which feels somewhat poetic, but neither
[46:52] Speaker 1: here nor there, right? I understand the criticism of them
[46:55] Speaker 1: not winning those playoff games, right? It's kind of a
[46:58] Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis sort of argument. I get where people come.
[47:01] Speaker 4: From on that. The idea that since they're the Steelers,
[47:04] Speaker 4: they're supposed to be competing.
[47:05] Speaker 1: For Super Bowls every year, that is not supported by
[47:09] Speaker 1: the last 45 years of history.
[47:11] Speaker 2: It's not.
[47:12] Speaker 4: They're like everybody else. If they get to it, it'll
[47:14] Speaker 4: be great.
[47:14] Speaker 1: The 49ers in that time period have been to, I
[47:17] Speaker 1: want to say, seven Super Bowls where the Steelers have
[47:22] Speaker 1: been there four.
[47:25] Speaker 4: Like, it's not the same. It's just not.
[47:28] Speaker 1: Nobody talks about the 49ers like, well, you ain't won
[47:30] Speaker 1: no Super Bowls in this time.
[47:31] Speaker 4: 49ers ain't won no Super Bowl since 1994.
[47:34] Speaker 1: Right.
[47:35] Speaker 4: And nobody's like, the standard is the standard.
[47:38] Speaker 2: They've been close. That's fair. Yeah, I'm just looking around at,
[47:43] Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins are another team that I feel
[47:47] Speaker 2: like should, they had, they should be more respected, but
[47:51] Speaker 2: it doesn't feel that way. And they were like the
[47:53] Speaker 2: winningest team for a long time. And they had that
[47:56] Speaker 2: Shula run and Marino. But I'm just looking at these logos, honestly,
[48:01] Speaker 2: right now and like trying to see which ones when
[48:04] Speaker 2: I look at them, I'll be like, oh, and it
[48:07] Speaker 2: ain't the Dolphins, which is unfair to them, I guess.
[48:10] Speaker 1: No, I mean, they they went to five Super Bowls
[48:13] Speaker 1: between the 1970s and 1980s. And they got Don Shula
[48:17] Speaker 1: out of there after a winning season because the standard
[48:20] Speaker 1: was the standard. And the way that people older than
[48:24] Speaker 1: me view the Dolphins is so completely different than people
[48:27] Speaker 1: around our age view them because they were a historically
[48:30] Speaker 1: great franchise and they just been kind of booty ever since,
[48:37] Speaker 1: you know, like the Denver Broncos are a historically great
[48:39] Speaker 1: franchise that we don't think of as a historically great franchise.
[48:43] Speaker 4: For example, then, you know, well, the Raiders used to be.
[48:48] Speaker 2: How many runs do you need? Or like, how do
[48:50] Speaker 2: you determine that? Is it over multiple coaches over different eras?
[48:56] Speaker 2: over multiple quarterbacks like how do you that's a good
[48:59] Speaker 2: question because a lot of these teams they had a
[49:03] Speaker 2: really great run at a good time because i feel
[49:05] Speaker 2: like most of the teams that we think of as
[49:07] Speaker 2: these great historic teams are teams that had dynasties before
[49:12] Speaker 2: free agency or around the onset of free agency and
[49:15] Speaker 2: we're like they're just such a well-run organization like nah
[49:19] Speaker 2: they were just taking advantage of the players better than
[49:21] Speaker 2: everyone else.
[49:21] Speaker 4: Or like you have your burst to run at the
[49:23] Speaker 4: right time.
[49:24] Speaker 1: I mean, the New England Patriots non-Belichick version.
[49:31] Speaker 4: Cheeks.
[49:32] Speaker 1: Even with two Super Bowls. to appearances at least, right?
[49:36] Speaker 1: We're talking about cheeks here. Nobody, like, nobody's like North
[49:40] Speaker 1: Carolina men's basketball, right? Or Alabama football, where we just
[49:44] Speaker 1: be good for a real long time. Yeah, it may
[49:47] Speaker 1: be a little low, but then we gonna pop back
[49:49] Speaker 1: up and get a crack at it. That's not really
[49:51] Speaker 1: how the NFL works. Everybody has had, like, you know,
[49:54] Speaker 1: the Browns had their run again before other people really
[49:58] Speaker 1: got on the black people thing.
[49:59] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[50:00] Speaker 1: They had a, they had themselves a nice run. The Bengals,
[50:04] Speaker 1: you know, until this Brown took over, you know, they've been,
[50:07] Speaker 1: they had a couple of super bowls that they had
[50:09] Speaker 1: gone to. Honestly, the only team that's been like super
[50:12] Speaker 1: consistently good like that for their entire existence has been
[50:15] Speaker 1: your boys, the Baltimore Ravens.
[50:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[50:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[50:18] Speaker 2: They, I mean, what they've done has been really impressive
[50:20] Speaker 2: and amazing, but they came in. Yeah. And they didn't even,
[50:25] Speaker 2: they didn't come in in a good situation, but they
[50:27] Speaker 2: were pretty good right away. And it was that draft man.
[50:30] Speaker 2: The draft that you and I talked about. That man,
[50:33] Speaker 2: that man might have, that man, Ozzie Newsome, that man
[50:35] Speaker 2: might have, his first draft as actual general manager of
[50:40] Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens, that man messed around and got two
[50:44] Speaker 2: of the best players in the history of their position
[50:46] Speaker 2: and just kicked this thing off right. It ain't turned
[50:49] Speaker 2: back since.
[50:50] Speaker 1: Two guys who have an argument for being the greatest
[50:52] Speaker 1: of all time at their positions. I am about to
[50:56] Speaker 1: read off for you in order a run of Baltimore
[51:02] Speaker 1: Ravens first round picks. I am going to stop at.
[51:05] Speaker 4: The year 2006.
[51:07] Speaker 1: So this is from 1996 to 2006. It's 10 drafts
[51:12] Speaker 1: over 11 years, okay? Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis. Now I'm
[51:20] Speaker 1: about to hit him with the sleeper that one of
[51:21] Speaker 1: the boys be forgetting about.
[51:23] Speaker 4: Peter Boulware.
[51:25] Speaker 1: Ooh! Another super edge rusher who also could play off
[51:30] Speaker 1: the ball, right?
[51:31] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
[51:31] Speaker 4: Dwayne Starks.
[51:33] Speaker 2: No.
[51:34] Speaker 4: Very good. A very good player. Chris McAllister. Yeah. Jamal Lewis.
[51:41] Speaker 4: Travis Taylor. Todd Heap. Ed Reed. Terrell Suggs.
[51:49] Speaker 2: Kyle Bowler.
[51:51] Speaker 4: Mark Clayton. And Haloti Nada.
[51:54] Speaker 2: Lord.
[51:55] Speaker 1: Okay, so that's three guys who are in the Hall
[51:58] Speaker 1: of Fame right now. Two more who I think will
[52:01] Speaker 1: go in. Not I think is a no-brainer Hall of Famer.
[52:05] Speaker 1: Suggs I don't feel as enthusiastic about, but I still
[52:07] Speaker 1: think he's going to be a Hall of Famer.
[52:08] Speaker 2: He's going to get in, yeah.
[52:11] Speaker 4: Because I'm the kind of guy who would do this.
[52:13] Speaker 4: I would put Jabal Lewis in the Hall of Fame. Right?
[52:17] Speaker 4: Chris McAllister was a monster.
[52:19] Speaker 2: Yep.
[52:20] Speaker 4: That's a hell of a run of picks, old boy.
[52:22] Speaker 2: What are you talking about? I mean... The bottom of
[52:25] Speaker 2: the barrel there, like, if we cut out the complete misses,
[52:28] Speaker 2: we talk about, like, all pro-level, pro-bowl-level guys. Like, Ozzy,
[52:35] Speaker 2: he wasn't missing. I was going to say it's a
[52:36] Speaker 2: high streak, but that ain't a streak, man. It's so long.
[52:42] Speaker 4: This is what I do.
[52:43] Speaker 2: How you get that many Hall of Famers? That's insanity, man.
[52:47] Speaker 1: And it also reminds me of one of my favorite
[52:50] Speaker 1: football pictures of all time. Oh.
[52:54] Speaker 4: Jonathan Ogden, player for St. Albans. And you have to understand, guys, St.
[53:00] Speaker 1: Albans is like a place where very rich people send
[53:03] Speaker 1: their kids in D.C. Jonathan Ogden, 6'9. Okay, I'll put
[53:08] Speaker 1: it this way. You know who played offensive line for St.
[53:12] Speaker 2: Albans?
[53:13] Speaker 1: Not all of you will know this, but if you
[53:15] Speaker 1: are a viewer of the Dominique Foxworth show, Charlie Kravitz.
[53:19] Speaker 4: Played offensive line at St. Albans.
[53:22] Speaker 1: And if Charlie Kravitz had been in that picture of
[53:24] Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden playing, he would have been the second biggest
[53:27] Speaker 1: person in that picture. I just can't believe that those
[53:29] Speaker 1: rich dorks had the nerve to have to run up
[53:32] Speaker 1: on Jonathan Ogden at any point.
[53:34] Speaker 2: The reason why that picture is so impressive is because
[53:37] Speaker 2: Jonathan is surrounded by a bunch of dudes named Charlie.
[53:41] Speaker 2: That's why it's so amazing. And Jonathan, I mean, he
[53:44] Speaker 2: was on their team, so I'm sure they didn't mind it.
[53:46] Speaker 2: But I guarantee you, There was some other private schools
[53:49] Speaker 2: in that league that was not happy about Jonathan Ogden
[53:54] Speaker 2: coming downhill on their future president.
[53:57] Speaker 1: No, brother, you had to treat that like they treated
[53:59] Speaker 1: Orlando Pace at Ohio State. We're just not even going
[54:01] Speaker 1: to put nobody over there.
[54:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? We're not going to subject nobody to that.
[54:08] Speaker 1: By the way, the 1997 draft, you want to talk
[54:10] Speaker 1: about a sneaky draft, Orlando Pace, Walter.
[54:13] Speaker 4: Jones, and Tony Gonzalez in the top 13.
[54:15] Speaker 1: Hmm.
[54:17] Speaker 2: That's impressive.
[54:18] Speaker 1: With Shaw Springs, Peter Boulware, James Farrier, and my man
[54:22] Speaker 1: Warwick Dunn thrown in there.
[54:24] Speaker 2: Peter Boulware, like that name, Florida State. He was from,
[54:28] Speaker 2: he's from Baltimore too.
[54:30] Speaker 4: No, he is from, no.
[54:31] Speaker 2: I'm thinking about Darnell Dockett, the Baltimore Dunbar.
[54:34] Speaker 4: Boulware is from South Carolina.
[54:38] Speaker 2: He was a monster, man.
[54:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, but the African-Americans would not be fond of his politics,
[54:45] Speaker 1: I don't think.
[54:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[54:47] Speaker 4: Like, he run for office on it. Like, it ain't enough.
[54:49] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[54:50] Speaker 2: Getting his Herschel Walker on?
[54:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, well, hopefully not that far, but yes. Okay. Yes,
[54:55] Speaker 4: they be in the same rooms.
[54:57] Speaker 1: Y'all call them the same name.
[55:01] Speaker 2: Well, you know what? Nobody's concerned about that when he's
[55:05] Speaker 2: getting after the passer. That's right. That's right. You can
[55:09] Speaker 2: talk about all the bootstraps you want to talk about.
[55:11] Speaker 4: Show me your self-hatred, brother.
[55:13] Speaker 2: Go out here and.
[55:15] Speaker 4: Put it out there.
[55:17] Speaker 2: If you do possess any, by the way.
[55:18] Speaker 4: I'm throwing it up as a hypothetical.
[55:20] Speaker 1: The last thing I would say for people, just because
[55:22] Speaker 1: I mentioned Warwick Dunn, Warwick Dunn is like the nicest
[55:24] Speaker 1: man in the world. And Warwick Dunn is the least
[55:27] Speaker 1: assuming football player that you will ever see in person.
[55:30] Speaker 1: And I will tell you an example of this. I'm
[55:32] Speaker 1: in Vegas for the Super Bowl last year and I'm
[55:36] Speaker 1: outside of Circa, the joint down off the strip. And
[55:41] Speaker 1: I'm talking to Warwick Dunn and we say what's up
[55:43] Speaker 1: or whatever. And we get done with the conversation because
[55:46] Speaker 1: my friends walk past me. And I was like, yep,
[55:49] Speaker 1: that was Warwick Dunn. They're like, damn, that was Warwick Dunn?
[55:52] Speaker 5: Yes.
[55:52] Speaker 4: Who were these friends? Charlie Kravitz and Dominique Foxwood. Like,
[55:56] Speaker 4: because why would you think Warwick Dunn was a football player?
[55:59] Speaker 1: Nothing indicates football player about Warwick Dunn unless he's out
[56:03] Speaker 1: there playing football.
[56:04] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Before that incident, I'd interview Warwick. I've been
[56:08] Speaker 2: around a bunch of times. But, yeah, you know, it's not, yeah,
[56:11] Speaker 2: nothing about him suggests that. And then you see his quickness, athleticism,
[56:15] Speaker 2: it changed your mind.
[56:17] Speaker 4: I be with Warwick Dunn like, damn, I'm feeling a
[56:19] Speaker 4: little tall.
[56:21] Speaker 1: Definitely not big. I never feel big, but I definitely
[56:24] Speaker 1: stand with Warwick Dunn. They gonna be like, damn, do
[56:26] Speaker 1: you hoop?
[56:27] Speaker 4: Are you his agent, perhaps?
[56:29] Speaker 2: We were at a flag football tournament last weekend, and
[56:32] Speaker 2: I ran into Vince Carter at the tournament, whose son
[56:36] Speaker 2: was there. Vince Carter is very into his kid's sports.
[56:41] Speaker 2: He's talking about all his kid's sports and how he's
[56:43] Speaker 2: doing all that stuff. And his son, I think, was
[56:45] Speaker 2: like seven or something. He was younger than my son,
[56:47] Speaker 2: so I didn't see him play. But I could only
[56:49] Speaker 2: imagine the type of athletes that Vince Carter is producing.
[56:54] Speaker 2: He walked over and he was like, yeah, he playing
[56:56] Speaker 2: flag football at like seven, eight years old. Yeah, go
[56:59] Speaker 2: ahead and get it. I don't know who's paying attention.
[57:02] Speaker 2: If you are a general manager for one of these colleges,
[57:05] Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure you can go ahead and send
[57:07] Speaker 2: an offer over there immediately.
[57:09] Speaker 1: Like Vince Carter did not possess anything What made Michael
[57:14] Speaker 1: Jordan athleticism so crazy was the grace of it, right?
[57:18] Speaker 1: Like the idea that it's like this dude is floating.
[57:20] Speaker 1: It's like he's walking on air. Vince Carter athleticism, just
[57:27] Speaker 1: powerful explosion, like a smaller version of Dominique Wilkins that
[57:32] Speaker 1: could jump higher. Because I did that alt cast with
[57:35] Speaker 1: Vince last year. And so I got to kick it
[57:37] Speaker 1: with him a bit there. He's not a small man
[57:40] Speaker 1: by any chance, but it's not.
[57:42] Speaker 4: You don't really get it. Me and my brother, and
[57:43] Speaker 4: I told.
[57:44] Speaker 1: Vince this, me and my brother thought that Vince Carter
[57:46] Speaker 1: was 6'10.
[57:48] Speaker 4: For years just from watching him tip-dunk when he was
[57:51] Speaker 4: a freshman at Carolina. We're like, what is this?
[57:53] Speaker 1: Like, my man, I got a partner who played pickup
[57:55] Speaker 1: with him at Woolen when he was at Carolina, and
[57:58] Speaker 1: he described it only one way, humbling. Like, it was
[58:01] Speaker 1: at that point where he still thought that he had
[58:03] Speaker 1: a chance to make the hoop thing happen, and then
[58:05] Speaker 1: he'd get out there hooping with Vince. Oh, God.
[58:08] Speaker 4: Humbling, guys. Humbling.
[58:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean... I don't know if his son possesses
[58:14] Speaker 2: the ability or any of his kids possess the ability
[58:17] Speaker 2: to shoot. But no, we're not going to find out.
[58:20] Speaker 2: What I'm saying is the difference between Vince Carter is 6'6.
[58:24] Speaker 2: So if his son is 6'3, 6'2, that's big for football.
[58:30] Speaker 2: And you know, you know what you don't need to
[58:32] Speaker 2: play football. Like it's nice if you have grace or
[58:34] Speaker 2: you have the fine motor coordination or hand out coordination
[58:38] Speaker 2: to repeat the jump shot at like a golfer. That
[58:42] Speaker 2: would be fantastic. We don't need that over here. We
[58:45] Speaker 2: don't need that over here. You got some explosive athleticism?
[58:48] Speaker 2: We're going to find a spot, man. There's a spot
[58:51] Speaker 2: for a 6'2 dude who has explosive, violent athleticism.
[58:55] Speaker 1: Brother, I'm telling you, whatever sport we out here playing,
[58:58] Speaker 1: if Vince Sun say he want to play.
[58:59] Speaker 2: He on deck.
[59:00] Speaker 4: You got a chance, right? You're going to get some reps.
[59:03] Speaker 1: You're going to have the opportunity to show us what
[59:06] Speaker 1: you can or cannot do.
[59:07] Speaker 4: We can't.
[59:08] Speaker 1: Like, it's still so crazy to me. that Virginia Tech
[59:11] Speaker 1: did not offer Steph Curry or Seth A scholarship? Hey, man,
[59:15] Speaker 1: we're going to find out. We're going to find out.
[59:18] Speaker 1: I like Seth Greenberg a lot. That's two balls that
[59:21] Speaker 1: you dropped. Every year, Seth Greenberg would be out here
[59:24] Speaker 1: talking about expanding the tournament to 96 games. You wouldn't
[59:26] Speaker 1: have had 96 teams. You wouldn't have had to do
[59:28] Speaker 1: that if you had just let... I know what people
[59:33] Speaker 1: are going to say when they hear me say this.
[59:35] Speaker 1: If you would just engage in a little nepotism, your
[59:38] Speaker 1: whole career might have gone.
[59:40] Speaker 4: And look, that's the thing about it.
[59:41] Speaker 1: I ain't think the idea of doing the Brody James
[59:45] Speaker 1: thing in the NBA, in the way that the Lakers
[59:48] Speaker 1: did it, I ain't think that was cool. But for USC,
[59:51] Speaker 1: I wouldn't have cared if he averaged half a point
[59:53] Speaker 1: a game in high school.
[59:55] Speaker 4: We'll give you a year. Yeah.
[59:57] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even think there's a conversation to
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: be had right there. Can he walk and chew gum?
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: All right. There's something in there. Maybe we'll tap into it.
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: Maybe not, but there's something in there that's worth trying.
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: And that is Dominique Fosworth. Check him out on the
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: Dominique Fosworth show available.
[1:00:15] Speaker 4: We're all fine. Podcast a given away for free. My brother.
[1:00:19] Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: Appreciate you, sir.
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