# Caleb Williams struggles vs Vikings, Russell Wilson Cooked, Tyreek Hill trade rumors | 09.10

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 10 Sep 2025, 58 min.

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Bomani Jones & Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports react to the Minnesota Vikings' comeback win over the Chicago Bears. Bomani says he has a few significant concerns about Caleb Williams' future. Later, they discuss how Russell Wilson's career might be over with the Giants, the highs and lows of Aaron Rodgers' debut with the Steelers, Tyreek Hill trade rumors, and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:18] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:20] Speaker 1: a hater. And it is that time of week where
[0:22] Speaker 1: we have a guest join us, coming to us live
[0:25] Speaker 1: from Yahoo Sports, covering the NFL. Nate Tice, what's going on?
[0:29] Speaker 2: Not too much. Happy to be here. Happy to talk
[0:32] Speaker 2: a little bit of week one. No more hypotheticals. No
[0:35] Speaker 2: more preseason tape. No more, this is what this guy
[0:38] Speaker 2: did in college.
[0:40] Speaker 1: All that stuff that over here, we refuse to do.
[0:44] Speaker 1: You people over here who live in this full-on football world,
[0:47] Speaker 1: the thing about covering basketball, you basically take the summer off.
[0:51] Speaker 1: Y'all get no time off. People can't get enough of
[0:54] Speaker 1: y'all talking about football, whatever way it possibly comes.
[0:57] Speaker 2: It's a whole month of list shows, and those shows
[1:00] Speaker 2: become big. Those shows get you yelled at. and then
[1:03] Speaker 2: takes it's like top 10 offenses i just want to
[1:05] Speaker 2: talk about some offenses nope get yelled at about that
[1:08] Speaker 2: and then you see the basketball people and they're like
[1:10] Speaker 2: it's an international tournament these are fun players aren't they
[1:15] Speaker 2: you know yeah i i know we even when the
[1:17] Speaker 2: two months are supposed to be off turn into you
[1:20] Speaker 2: know superlative season everyone debating and yelling but yeah you're
[1:24] Speaker 2: right preseason tape gets extrapolated too that becomes a whole
[1:27] Speaker 2: thing Fancy people planting flags saying this guy's all pro already.
[1:34] Speaker 2: I try to take little things, but you go out
[1:37] Speaker 2: there and people are just proclamations everywhere.
[1:40] Speaker 1: I refuse to watch any of it. I refuse to engage.
[1:43] Speaker 1: I just know this is not going to be a win.
[1:45] Speaker 2: No Hall of Fame game for Bo.
[1:46] Speaker 1: Hell no, man. I'm going to throw something out here
[1:48] Speaker 1: right fast for the people who watch this on YouTube,
[1:51] Speaker 1: but for those of you who listen on audio, perhaps
[1:53] Speaker 1: you will find this to be a humorous and entertaining thing. So,
[1:57] Speaker 1: Last couple episodes, you shot them on the same day.
[1:59] Speaker 1: I decided that, you know, it was like, oh, I
[2:01] Speaker 1: got to throw on a shirt before I go do
[2:02] Speaker 1: the show. And I was like, let me put on
[2:04] Speaker 1: with some of this right time merchandise that we had.
[2:08] Speaker 1: And so I put on a right time T-shirt. And
[2:11] Speaker 1: today I am wearing my right time hoodie that you
[2:14] Speaker 1: can get. And it's not really cold outside. It was
[2:17] Speaker 1: a little brisk, but it was easier for me to
[2:19] Speaker 1: grab this today. And part of why I'm grabbing this
[2:22] Speaker 1: is just so you guys on YouTube know. Yes, I
[2:25] Speaker 1: saw your comments about my shirt being wrinkled. Number one,
[2:28] Speaker 1: you were really right. I didn't quite realize how wrinkled
[2:32] Speaker 1: it was. Perhaps I could have done something about it.
[2:35] Speaker 1: But there's something about ironing to be in my house.
[2:40] Speaker 1: You just don't really add up for me. But number two,
[2:42] Speaker 1: at the same time, you hating motherfuckers. How about you
[2:45] Speaker 1: just look at that shirt and imagine what it would
[2:47] Speaker 1: look like with no wrinkles and buy one. Y'all got
[2:49] Speaker 1: all these jokes. You got a purchase, an order confirmation?
[2:53] Speaker 1: You got that? How about that? You know what I'm saying?
[2:57] Speaker 1: But anyway, today I'm wearing the right time hoodie. You
[3:00] Speaker 1: can get that. High lattice. Check it out. You know
[3:03] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But anyway, we'll get back to this football.
[3:06] Speaker 1: Monday Night Football was interesting. The J.J. McCarthy era football.
[3:09] Speaker 1: began in Minnesota and Caleb Williams on the other side. Now,
[3:13] Speaker 1: this is interesting because the world would have you believe
[3:17] Speaker 1: beginning last year that Caleb Williams is going into the
[3:20] Speaker 1: best situation that a rookie quarterback had ever gone into
[3:22] Speaker 1: because they had receivers and they had a running back situation.
[3:25] Speaker 1: And holy smokes, I move into this season and people
[3:29] Speaker 1: are basically telling me that JJ McCarthy is walking into
[3:33] Speaker 1: what is kind of the best situation a rookie quarterback
[3:35] Speaker 1: has ever had, even though he's not a rookie, but
[3:38] Speaker 1: he didn't play any games last year. First question for
[3:41] Speaker 1: me is what you thought of McCarthy in that game?
[3:45] Speaker 1: Because I felt like I was looking at an upper
[3:48] Speaker 1: echelon of what those, the guys running that system want,
[3:53] Speaker 1: which is a guy to do what you said. Just,
[3:55] Speaker 1: it's just, if you do what I say, everything will
[3:57] Speaker 1: be okay. He seemed to be operating according to that paradigm.
[4:01] Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was.
[4:02] Speaker 2: It's the, that offensive systems training wheels, you know, just
[4:06] Speaker 2: the way to bumpers, you know, like a bowling alley.
[4:10] Speaker 2: It's just really just to keep them on the rails
[4:12] Speaker 2: throughout the game. And you see, I mean, the, Game script,
[4:16] Speaker 2: or at least a game plan for the Vikings and
[4:19] Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell was first, second down run, third down. Hopefully
[4:22] Speaker 2: we have a third and five and throw the ball.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Like it was very basic. There's a ton of play actions.
[4:27] Speaker 2: There's a ton of stuff on the move. But where
[4:29] Speaker 2: the appeal of McCarthy was, at least like in theory,
[4:32] Speaker 2: when they drafted him was, oh, he's a pretty good athlete.
[4:35] Speaker 2: So even if he's like Kirk Cousins as a thrower,
[4:37] Speaker 2: you know, we can maybe do some run stuff. We
[4:40] Speaker 2: can do some zone reads. And we saw the rushing touchdown.
[4:43] Speaker 2: So like that was the appeal of J.J. McCarthy. But
[4:45] Speaker 2: that first half was rough. I mean, you could tell
[4:48] Speaker 2: it was moving fast for him. The Bears defense is
[4:50] Speaker 2: pretty good. But I thought you mentioned the situation stuff
[4:54] Speaker 2: and you mentioned all the pass catchers and everything. And
[4:56] Speaker 2: I thought last year, that's why I thought I was
[4:58] Speaker 2: going crazy when people were saying that about the Bears was,
[5:00] Speaker 2: are we still we're still OK with this offensive line
[5:04] Speaker 2: like that? That was OK. But then on the flip side,
[5:06] Speaker 2: I actually had been saying this summer, I was like, well, Yeah,
[5:10] Speaker 2: McCarthy is dropped into one of the best situations possible
[5:13] Speaker 2: outside the left tackle because Derrissaw's hurt right now. But
[5:16] Speaker 2: they added three new offensive linemen who all looked pretty
[5:18] Speaker 2: good last night. Ryan Kelly, Will Fries, and Donovan Jackson
[5:23] Speaker 2: from Ohio State in the first round who had some
[5:26] Speaker 2: good moments last night. Kevin O'Connell still calling plays. So, yeah,
[5:30] Speaker 2: it is a great situation. I thought the best part
[5:33] Speaker 2: about the Vikings game last night was the run game.
[5:35] Speaker 2: And that's also to help out the young quarterback. hey,
[5:38] Speaker 2: you don't have to throw it every time. Hey, we're
[5:39] Speaker 2: going to get you second and fives. Hey, we're going
[5:41] Speaker 2: to get you third and threes because the running game
[5:43] Speaker 2: could be so good. So I did think that one
[5:46] Speaker 2: of those good situations looked like a good situation last night,
[5:49] Speaker 2: at least from the last couple of years.
[5:51] Speaker 1: I feel like you left out the best part of
[5:53] Speaker 1: that biking situation, which is the dude playing football with
[5:57] Speaker 1: a million dollars worth of jewelry around his neck. Like,
[6:01] Speaker 1: I ain't going to lie. I would not roll the
[6:04] Speaker 1: dice on playing the down of NFL football, right? But
[6:08] Speaker 1: somebody out there saying to himself, I can get down
[6:11] Speaker 1: there and get that chain and get off the field
[6:13] Speaker 1: before anybody sees what time it is. Like, you got
[6:17] Speaker 1: to have actual security if you're going to do that.
[6:19] Speaker 1: Only the quarterback need to be wearing a chain like
[6:21] Speaker 1: that because the quarterback has actual security. Like, he has
[6:23] Speaker 1: five security guards in front of him. Justin Jefferson, I
[6:27] Speaker 1: could not believe that. Like, you out here doing something
[6:30] Speaker 1: with that chain on.
[6:32] Speaker 2: Also, like, every time they show them lined up, like,
[6:34] Speaker 2: you know, when they do the close camera view. that
[6:37] Speaker 2: thing was just glistening yes it was just i i'm
[6:40] Speaker 2: sure the camera guy's like oh dang it zoom out
[6:41] Speaker 2: zoom out too bright too bright too bright no too
[6:44] Speaker 2: shiny i don't know how guys do that like prime
[6:46] Speaker 2: did that back in the 90s and i always thought
[6:48] Speaker 2: that was insane and that was just it was never
[6:50] Speaker 2: a chain no no no it was just the one
[6:52] Speaker 2: gold chain right right you just do the one gold
[6:54] Speaker 2: chain right i i always thought that and that was
[6:57] Speaker 2: insane back then like he was one of the first
[6:58] Speaker 2: guys to do it then more guys did it you
[7:00] Speaker 2: know throughout the aughts and stuff but now we're our
[7:03] Speaker 2: I mean, well, Lamar's got the grill mouthpiece like these guys.
[7:07] Speaker 2: I mean, and that stuff's real. This is a big
[7:11] Speaker 2: difference between Dante Culpepper walking up with a giant diamond
[7:14] Speaker 2: pepper to the game and then taking it off before
[7:17] Speaker 2: the game, as opposed to what these guys are doing.
[7:19] Speaker 2: They're walking out and wearing it.
[7:20] Speaker 1: Dude, I have to say that as the pandemic hit,
[7:24] Speaker 1: I believed that what we were going to hit was
[7:26] Speaker 1: a time that gave people like a bit of reevaluation
[7:29] Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I thought that we were
[7:31] Speaker 1: going to see a rejection of a certain level of
[7:34] Speaker 1: materialism in society as we realized what the stakes were,
[7:37] Speaker 1: what the world presented to us. But people were saving
[7:40] Speaker 1: so much money staying at the crib. And then they
[7:43] Speaker 1: sent out them checks that actually it turned on the
[7:47] Speaker 1: afterburners for a level of conspicuous consumption. Like all these
[7:52] Speaker 1: dudes got robbable chains on, right? Like the kind of
[7:55] Speaker 1: chain that you can't just walk around I guess the
[8:00] Speaker 1: 2021 World Series when the Braves had all them dudes
[8:02] Speaker 1: with them chains was the sign of where this was
[8:04] Speaker 1: going to go. Had no idea. But Justin Jefferson, and
[8:07] Speaker 1: I'm trying my best to say Justin. I also saw
[8:09] Speaker 1: y'all in the YouTube comments. He had a brother named Jordan.
[8:12] Speaker 1: I'm at that age where I call you your brother's
[8:15] Speaker 1: name like I'm a parent. Anyway, Justin Jefferson, he's... Let
[8:20] Speaker 1: me ask you this about him. This is a serious
[8:22] Speaker 1: question because I don't quite know it. He seems to
[8:24] Speaker 1: just be really good at being really good, but I
[8:26] Speaker 1: don't know myself exactly what it is because he's probably
[8:28] Speaker 1: the best receiver in the league right now, right? What
[8:31] Speaker 1: is the thing he does?
[8:33] Speaker 2: Uh body control like that's the thing is that he
[8:36] Speaker 2: when he breaks in and out of stuff i think
[8:38] Speaker 2: he's the best receiver in the game because he can
[8:39] Speaker 2: legit do anything he can go deep he can run
[8:42] Speaker 2: intermediate run over the middle take stuff short and get
[8:44] Speaker 2: yak he can block like that was actually one of
[8:47] Speaker 2: his things coming out of osu is that he was
[8:49] Speaker 2: a good blocker um he can line up in the
[8:51] Speaker 2: slot it's just one of those things that now he
[8:53] Speaker 2: is he's not just a jack of all trades he's
[8:56] Speaker 2: the king of all trades. Like he is a very
[8:59] Speaker 2: good to elite at every part. His hand eye coordination
[9:02] Speaker 2: is excellent. Um, his, you know, how his, how his
[9:06] Speaker 2: body moves, like how he moves out of breaks is
[9:08] Speaker 2: just so unique. Like he's able to turn with his
[9:11] Speaker 2: legs facing one way, his upper body facing the other
[9:13] Speaker 2: way and make a catch, which is, it's just this
[9:16] Speaker 2: rare body control that he has. But, He's just insane,
[9:20] Speaker 2: and I know he's wearing that chain because he doesn't
[9:21] Speaker 2: have to worry about playing Aqib Tlaib anymore.
[9:25] Speaker 1: I think Aqib Tlaib would let him wear his chain.
[9:28] Speaker 1: Tlaib's problem was not the chain. It was the man
[9:34] Speaker 1: wearing the chain.
[9:37] Speaker 2: I know my guy, Michael Crabtree.
[9:39] Speaker 1: I spent two years with him in Oakland. I just
[9:41] Speaker 1: didn't feel like he should be wearing that chain. And
[9:45] Speaker 1: so he didn't even try to keep his chain. He
[9:47] Speaker 1: just took the chain off of his neck. And this
[9:51] Speaker 1: reminds me, for those of you who don't know, right now,
[9:55] Speaker 1: Aqib Tlaib is working on Underdog, the people that do
[10:00] Speaker 1: Gil's Arena. They've got a football arena. And among others,
[10:04] Speaker 1: that show has Aqib Tlaib and Skip Bayless. And I
[10:07] Speaker 1: know Jay Gruden is supposed to be on the show.
[10:10] Speaker 1: And there's a lot going on there with that pairing.
[10:14] Speaker 1: A lot going on. Yes.
[10:17] Speaker 2: Yes, because... The Jay and John Gruden, because they're both
[10:21] Speaker 2: huge personalities. John is, they're definitely the big brother, little brother,
[10:26] Speaker 2: you know, personalities too. Jay is a shitster. He will
[10:30] Speaker 2: say whatever. Whatever comes to his mind. He tweets whatever
[10:35] Speaker 2: comes to his mind. He doesn't care about like going out.
[10:38] Speaker 2: Him and RG3 were going at it.
[10:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Jay Gruden, he's given up on getting another job. Yeah, yeah.
[10:44] Speaker 1: That is the impression that I get from him.
[10:45] Speaker 2: Which I actually like.
[10:48] Speaker 1: Right, like whatever the jobs are that might be available
[10:50] Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. He has decided, like a guy like
[10:52] Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, for example. Rex Ryan could get a job
[10:55] Speaker 1: in the NFL.
[10:56] Speaker 2: He's playing footsie.
[10:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, but he doesn't want to be a defensive coordinator,
[10:59] Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody's going to put him in
[11:00] Speaker 1: charge anymore. Jay Gruden, I think, has just decided, nope,
[11:03] Speaker 1: the jobs they give, I don't know what he does
[11:04] Speaker 1: for money or how much money he has, but he'd
[11:06] Speaker 1: just be out here saying any damn thing. He means it.
[11:10] Speaker 2: And he does.
[11:10] Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
[11:11] Speaker 2: That's why, again, I appreciate it. That's why if you
[11:13] Speaker 2: ever want to know so many players and former coaches' analysis,
[11:16] Speaker 2: other than that a lot of them don't pay attention
[11:18] Speaker 2: to the game as much as they should, is a
[11:20] Speaker 2: lot of them are just, well, that's my buddy. Well,
[11:23] Speaker 2: that's my, you know, oh, I played with him in college. Oh,
[11:26] Speaker 2: that's my coach that I worked with. That's why we
[11:28] Speaker 2: vacationed together in Destin, Florida, where all the coaches have
[11:31] Speaker 2: their vacation homes. Like, you know, they have those kind
[11:35] Speaker 2: of connections still. It's actually kind of freeing for me.
[11:37] Speaker 2: As soon as my dad got out of the league,
[11:39] Speaker 2: I was like.
[11:39] Speaker 3: All right.
[11:39] Speaker 2: All right. You know, these motherfuckers didn't give me a job.
[11:43] Speaker 2: So get ready.
[11:45] Speaker 1: Right.
[11:46] Speaker 2: You know, so that is freeing. And Jay's just always
[11:49] Speaker 2: been like that. He's the loose cannon. And even as
[11:53] Speaker 2: a coach, he had that. Remember they came up with
[11:55] Speaker 2: the picture of him, you know, smoking a J outside
[11:57] Speaker 2: the bar. You know, so it's like, you know, stuff.
[12:00] Speaker 2: And he just owned it. Like, he doesn't even care
[12:02] Speaker 2: about it. I don't know. I appreciate that kind of analysis.
[12:04] Speaker 2: If it's not just Toll always just going, you know.
[12:07] Speaker 2: going into the doldrums and, you know, crap talking a
[12:10] Speaker 2: little bit to everybody, at least just like a little
[12:12] Speaker 2: bit of like a little bit of sides are pretty fun.
[12:14] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[12:14] Speaker 1: I will say no industry is quite as protective of,
[12:17] Speaker 1: I know that guy and Twitter has made it the
[12:18] Speaker 1: worst because of the flimsy ties, but ties nonetheless in
[12:22] Speaker 1: my business. Oh, Yeah, like.
[12:26] Speaker 2: We all snitch tags.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, we all kind of know each other, right? Yes.
[12:30] Speaker 1: But we don't really know each other, so we do
[12:32] Speaker 1: not hold each other to proper account. When we didn't
[12:35] Speaker 1: all kind of know each other, then we was, and
[12:38] Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this too. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah.
[12:42] Speaker 2: I'm pretty safe on mine or on my show where
[12:44] Speaker 2: I was like, he's not going to listen to this show.
[12:46] Speaker 2: All right.
[12:48] Speaker 1: Ain't nothing safe for me, big dog. I got, there's
[12:50] Speaker 1: the people making industry out here, hawking my shit just,
[12:53] Speaker 1: just to see if something go wrong, but I'll bring
[12:55] Speaker 1: it back to the football. I'll bring it back to
[12:56] Speaker 1: the football, that same game. Um, Caleb Williams. Um, I read,
[13:01] Speaker 1: you know, I've told people before, I think Tyler Dunn's
[13:04] Speaker 1: newsletter is really, really good. Like shockingly thorough to be
[13:07] Speaker 1: a newsletter. It feels more like a magazine than anything else. Um,
[13:11] Speaker 1: And Buddy, they brought the hammer down on the Caleb
[13:15] Speaker 1: Williams era. On the Bears in general, though I think
[13:18] Speaker 1: Ryan Poles, the general manager, is probably one that catches
[13:21] Speaker 1: it the worst. It did feel like a lot of
[13:23] Speaker 1: scorned people were offering up their information. But the particulars
[13:30] Speaker 1: on Caleb Williams as a figure in the facility and
[13:34] Speaker 1: in the locker room, I don't think we can leave
[13:36] Speaker 1: alone for now. What I did find to be interesting, though,
[13:39] Speaker 1: was their... Their expression that, A, he didn't seem to
[13:43] Speaker 1: be one who listened too much or took too kindly
[13:45] Speaker 1: to coaching. But number two, what seemed to be very
[13:47] Speaker 1: clear was he was dropping back and didn't know what
[13:51] Speaker 1: it was that he was looking at. Like, I did
[13:53] Speaker 1: not realize he took 68 sacks last season. And I
[13:56] Speaker 1: am a firm believer of the Aaron Schatz theory. Sacks
[13:59] Speaker 1: are a quarterback statistic. You took 68 stats. And you
[14:04] Speaker 1: go look at just about any quarterback and go look
[14:05] Speaker 1: at their stats every year. The numbers are going to
[14:08] Speaker 1: be clustered. They're going to be the same, right? The lines,
[14:11] Speaker 1: those lines aren't always bad. No, some guys just take
[14:14] Speaker 1: a long time to throw. He takes a long time
[14:16] Speaker 1: to throw. I heard people say they thought that he
[14:19] Speaker 1: looked very good in the first half and then he
[14:21] Speaker 1: looked worse in the second half. I did not think
[14:23] Speaker 1: he looked very good in the first half. I thought
[14:25] Speaker 1: it looked like he was dropping back and checking down
[14:27] Speaker 1: a lot and not realizing some of the things that
[14:29] Speaker 1: may have been available down the field. And then in
[14:32] Speaker 1: the second half, Brian Flores decided to be like, all right,
[14:35] Speaker 1: enough fucking around. and decided to get into his head.
[14:38] Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't know how much cause there
[14:40] Speaker 1: is for optimism with where the Caleb Williams experience is
[14:45] Speaker 1: going to go. And I'm also not sure if they're
[14:46] Speaker 1: coaching to what he does best, but I have a
[14:50] Speaker 1: hard time believing Ben Johnson with his big brain would
[14:53] Speaker 1: be so locked into what he's doing to not try
[14:55] Speaker 1: to make some level of adaptation to the quarterback that
[14:58] Speaker 1: he has. Yeah.
[14:59] Speaker 2: And that's what I've been curious to see. This is
[15:01] Speaker 2: where I know I joked about the preseason stuff that
[15:03] Speaker 2: I was trying to like extrapolate from all right what
[15:06] Speaker 2: did i see in the preseason all right now what
[15:08] Speaker 2: i see in week one and ben johnson i do
[15:11] Speaker 2: i do have trust in like i do think this
[15:13] Speaker 2: guy is very smart i do think this guy's very
[15:15] Speaker 2: thorough and i do think he's the right coach for
[15:17] Speaker 2: caleb because some of those guys have personalities like a
[15:20] Speaker 2: guy like caleb and again this is i've never met
[15:22] Speaker 2: caleb williams i've never met ben johnson um but just
[15:25] Speaker 2: context of stuff or just reading of the context is
[15:28] Speaker 2: some of these guys that have big personalities and maybe
[15:31] Speaker 2: reportedly think they know it all and give coaches hard times.
[15:35] Speaker 2: They're kind of like a toddler testing boundaries going like,
[15:37] Speaker 2: can I get away with this? Can I get away
[15:39] Speaker 2: with this? And sometimes those, those guys, they don't think
[15:43] Speaker 2: they like hard coaching, but they need hard coaching. They
[15:46] Speaker 2: need a big personality to kind of get after them
[15:49] Speaker 2: and hold them accountable. Not let them go away on
[15:52] Speaker 2: any BS and everything. And so what I've been trying
[15:55] Speaker 2: to look at is Ben Johnson seems to be trying
[15:58] Speaker 2: to find plays that work with Caleb. Caleb is shorter.
[16:00] Speaker 2: He's sub six, two. And if you just look at
[16:02] Speaker 2: the history of the game, and I know everyone just
[16:04] Speaker 2: always gets mad at me when I bring this up.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Short guys don't throw it over the middle. The only
[16:08] Speaker 2: one that did is Drew Brees. And actually, the one
[16:11] Speaker 2: that does it the best right now is Bryce Young,
[16:13] Speaker 2: who does not look good overall. But he can at
[16:17] Speaker 2: least throw over the middle. That is just the weakness
[16:19] Speaker 2: of being short. It's not batted balls. It's that. But
[16:22] Speaker 2: when you run what I think Ben Johnson wants to do,
[16:25] Speaker 2: a lot of runs, play action off the runs, down
[16:28] Speaker 2: the field stuff. Play action works best with stuff over
[16:31] Speaker 2: the middle. Cause that's what you're affecting with a run
[16:33] Speaker 2: play is the linebackers coming up, the safety's coming up.
[16:36] Speaker 2: So then you attack behind them. It's just physics. But
[16:39] Speaker 2: if you're not attacking over the middle, all right, what
[16:43] Speaker 2: are we, what are we trying to fake at? You know,
[16:45] Speaker 2: what are we trying to affect here? So Ben Johnson
[16:48] Speaker 2: to me seemed like he was doing more outbreaking routes.
[16:50] Speaker 2: Cause then, okay, kill has got a hose and was
[16:53] Speaker 2: thrown to the outside. Outside throws are a little bit
[16:56] Speaker 2: more space, less mistakes happen. If I miss, I can
[16:59] Speaker 2: just miss towards the sideline. Throwing over the middle is harder.
[17:02] Speaker 2: If I make a mistake, tip ball pick. If I
[17:05] Speaker 2: make a mistake, it's just at a guy's feet. A
[17:07] Speaker 2: guy can get batted down by a linebacker. All these
[17:09] Speaker 2: things can happen. There's more risk, but there's way more reward.
[17:13] Speaker 2: But the thing with Caleb is he's missing those throws.
[17:16] Speaker 2: And that's what's scary to me. Because I am a guy,
[17:20] Speaker 2: I'm a little different to you. I have a little
[17:21] Speaker 2: more optimism with Caleb, but I thought it would just
[17:22] Speaker 2: be a little bit more than what we saw in
[17:24] Speaker 2: this game. Because the opening drive, yeah, there's one or
[17:27] Speaker 2: two moments. But then, like you said, there's some scramble
[17:29] Speaker 2: moments or check down moments. And that's what I can't
[17:31] Speaker 2: wait to watch when I rewatch this game later this week,
[17:34] Speaker 2: like film-wise, is that what was the back end looking like?
[17:37] Speaker 2: Is it just because you weren't anticipating and that's why
[17:40] Speaker 2: it was closed and that's why you're checking down? Or
[17:42] Speaker 2: are those guys truly covered? I'm going to guess that
[17:45] Speaker 2: he wasn't anticipating because just the rhythm of the plays.
[17:48] Speaker 2: I think Roman Doomsday is a good player. I think
[17:50] Speaker 2: DJ Moore is a good player. I trust, again, what
[17:52] Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's designing. So, yeah, there's a couple times I'm
[17:55] Speaker 2: sure he made the right decision. It's good that he's
[17:57] Speaker 2: going through the check down and good that he's doing
[17:59] Speaker 2: those things. But, man, you got to– it's three seconds
[18:02] Speaker 2: or less. Like that's how quickly you have to make
[18:04] Speaker 2: a decision as a quarterback. And it just seems to
[18:05] Speaker 2: me it's three and a half for him, four for him.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Great that you can do all this creation stuff, but, like, man,
[18:11] Speaker 2: he still has to get better from the pocket. So
[18:14] Speaker 2: that's just the– I got to rewatch this game. But
[18:17] Speaker 2: the first half, that first drive opening script, yeah. But
[18:20] Speaker 2: when the defense adjusted, they started sending blitzes. Like if
[18:23] Speaker 2: you put that on tape that you can't handle blitzes,
[18:26] Speaker 2: Hold on to your hat because here comes the heat
[18:29] Speaker 2: every single week. And that was like the discouraging part
[18:33] Speaker 2: about it, I thought.
[18:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, I get the feeling. I
[18:39] Speaker 1: felt this way about Baker Mayfield, though they are very
[18:42] Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. But Baker Mayfield, to a lesser degree, but
[18:47] Speaker 1: he was college athletic.
[18:49] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? He still thinks he's athletic.
[18:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had athleticism that it took to make
[18:55] Speaker 1: plays in college.
[18:56] Speaker 2: That's a great point.
[18:57] Speaker 1: And I think that Williams had the athleticism to make.
[18:59] Speaker 1: And if you're going to play off schedule or more accurately,
[19:03] Speaker 1: I don't think the issue here is playing off schedule.
[19:05] Speaker 1: The issue is playing late, right? Like if you're going
[19:08] Speaker 1: to be running late, you got to really have this
[19:11] Speaker 1: added dimension to be able to pull that off and
[19:13] Speaker 1: still be good. Case in point, Cam Newton, a touch late.
[19:17] Speaker 1: But with the arm that he had and the body
[19:20] Speaker 1: that he had and everything else, he was still throwing
[19:22] Speaker 1: dudes open, right? Still making it happen at that point.
[19:26] Speaker 1: I feel like the athleticism that Williams had, I mean,
[19:29] Speaker 1: I'll never forget that first game, the game that he
[19:31] Speaker 1: took over Spencer Rattler against Texas, and he was jumping
[19:34] Speaker 1: off the screen with that athletic ability. I think Deshaun Watson,
[19:37] Speaker 1: at his best, is a great example of this, of
[19:39] Speaker 1: a guy that was college athletic. Now you're going to
[19:43] Speaker 1: have to play a bit more on time. to get
[19:45] Speaker 1: this done. And I don't know, you know quarterbacking way
[19:48] Speaker 1: better than I ever would. Is that something? that like,
[19:50] Speaker 1: like how often somebody becomes that?
[19:54] Speaker 2: They got to be in there. It's got to be
[19:56] Speaker 2: ingrained because they've won. Every quarterback wins differently. And that's
[20:00] Speaker 2: what I know. I'm not just explaining this to you,
[20:02] Speaker 2: but just, and I think that's the misconception is that
[20:06] Speaker 2: even like, you know, this brings you back to the
[20:08] Speaker 2: Jalen hurts conversation. where it's just that everyone, well, oh,
[20:11] Speaker 2: is he top 10 quarterback, top five quarterback? And the
[20:13] Speaker 2: argument is there's others that can do what he does well,
[20:16] Speaker 2: but then other weakness, everybody has a weakness. All these
[20:18] Speaker 2: guys have a weakness to it and they have a
[20:21] Speaker 2: way to win. And the fact that Caleb so far
[20:24] Speaker 2: in what, five years I've watched him has been winning
[20:27] Speaker 2: the exact same way. And then he comes into his
[20:28] Speaker 2: second year as the pros trying to win the same way.
[20:31] Speaker 2: That is a little scary. They can get better though.
[20:34] Speaker 2: Like I do think you can get better, but the
[20:36] Speaker 2: thing is he's always going to have this in the
[20:38] Speaker 2: back of his head. This is my, you know, the
[20:41] Speaker 2: I call it the freak conundrum, not conundrum, but like
[20:43] Speaker 2: the freak threshold. Like if you're going to win that way,
[20:46] Speaker 2: you have to be big and or and or you
[20:48] Speaker 2: have to be fast and or you have to have
[20:50] Speaker 2: an arm because that's where traits come into play. That's
[20:55] Speaker 2: where size and arm strength. And like you said, Cam
[20:58] Speaker 2: Newton would be a second late and have that elongated motion.
[21:01] Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. He had a hose.
[21:03] Speaker 3: Boom.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Hit it right there.
[21:05] Speaker 2: Every guy I always bring up when I'm on the show,
[21:06] Speaker 2: Dante Culpepper. OK, he was very accurate. But he can
[21:10] Speaker 2: be a little late sometimes. Guess what? He's 260 running
[21:13] Speaker 2: a 4-6. So it didn't matter. He could shed a
[21:15] Speaker 2: sack and create a play off that. That's where traits
[21:18] Speaker 2: come in. This is the Shadur Sanders argument as well.
[21:21] Speaker 2: Why I was low on Shadur, why we saw him
[21:24] Speaker 2: not take a hold of any reps is because he
[21:27] Speaker 2: wasn't very big, didn't have a very strong arm, and
[21:28] Speaker 2: wasn't very athletic. That gives you room for error if
[21:31] Speaker 2: you do make a mental mistake, if you are mentally
[21:34] Speaker 2: a little bit slow. That's what those traits do. Purdy
[21:38] Speaker 2: can play like Purdy because he has Shanahan, who's letting
[21:41] Speaker 2: him get rid of the ball right away. Same with
[21:43] Speaker 2: guys like Goff. Those guys have to play on time.
[21:45] Speaker 2: So I do think Caleb will speed it up, but
[21:48] Speaker 2: it is a little worrisome that this is still just
[21:50] Speaker 2: in his moment, or still in his kind of head
[21:52] Speaker 2: to play this way if the first read isn't perfectly open.
[21:56] Speaker 2: And then he wants to progress. There's times where I
[21:58] Speaker 2: see him moving and progressing, but he's not shortcutting anything.
[22:03] Speaker 2: And that's the next step to NFL quarterback play. Yes,
[22:08] Speaker 2: technically plays go one to two to three to four
[22:10] Speaker 2: to five sometimes. But really, I shortcut it to the
[22:14] Speaker 2: three because I know it's cover two and I have
[22:17] Speaker 2: to get to the backside dig. Or it's cover three
[22:19] Speaker 2: and I know they're doing this, this, and that, so
[22:21] Speaker 2: I have to get to this route. That's what the
[22:24] Speaker 2: advanced guys do. Watch freaking Matthew Stafford play this weekend
[22:27] Speaker 2: and watch him shortcut everything. And last thing, though, tying
[22:31] Speaker 2: in with Baker, Caleb also throws the ball way too hard.
[22:34] Speaker 2: He's got it. He's got to tempo that stuff down.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Oh, he's that guy. He's Sean Dustin. Oh, my God.
[22:40] Speaker 2: And that's what Baker does, too. They throw everything one
[22:42] Speaker 2: speed as hard as they freaking can. Penix is like
[22:45] Speaker 2: this as well. Everything as hard as they can every time.
[22:48] Speaker 2: And got to have a little layering. Got to have
[22:50] Speaker 2: a little bit of touch on these throws. You got
[22:52] Speaker 2: to be able to throw a changeup or a curveball
[22:54] Speaker 2: just to help yourself out.
[22:55] Speaker 1: So it's funny you put Penix in there because I
[22:57] Speaker 1: was just about to say, ah, short guy behavior. Kyler
[23:00] Speaker 1: Murray on the same list. He's pumping. He's firing. He's
[23:05] Speaker 1: throwing some pepper every time.
[23:07] Speaker 2: Baseball player. That's it, too. Doesn't throw in the middle either.
[23:11] Speaker 2: That's actually who, when we, in the prospects, I like
[23:14] Speaker 2: him as a prospect. I was a Drake May number
[23:16] Speaker 2: one guy, which everyone made fun of at the time.
[23:18] Speaker 2: But now everyone's gone. Like, oh, Drake. I had Drake
[23:20] Speaker 2: May at number one. Yes. B.S. B.S. I kept notes
[23:24] Speaker 2: on it. I have a list of this, of everyone
[23:26] Speaker 2: that got after me. was when Caleb was coming out.
[23:29] Speaker 2: I was kind of saying what his, with their high-end comparisons,
[23:33] Speaker 2: with their middle comparisons, with their low-end ones, my middle
[23:36] Speaker 2: comparison was like, it's kind of like a big Kyler.
[23:39] Speaker 2: That was kind of like what I think he most
[23:40] Speaker 2: likely ends up looking like. And I'm watching him like, Yeah,
[23:45] Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of Big Kyler, but he's also
[23:47] Speaker 2: not throwing the deep ball like Kyler does.
[23:49] Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was about to say.
[23:50] Speaker 2: That's also concerning.
[23:52] Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Big Kyler is like John Elway. Big
[23:57] Speaker 1: Kyler is like the greatest quarterback that you've ever had.
[23:59] Speaker 1: But I still say what makes Kyler Murray not good,
[24:02] Speaker 1: or that's not fair, but not what we want him
[24:05] Speaker 1: to be, doesn't feel like size problems. Nope, nope. All
[24:09] Speaker 1: the stuff. He is so fast. His arm is so strong.
[24:12] Speaker 1: All of that. Right. He just did just something there.
[24:15] Speaker 2: He's second late on stuff. Yep. Yep. I'm a Kyler sympathizer. I, I,
[24:22] Speaker 2: because I, he wants to be a real boy. Like
[24:25] Speaker 2: he wants to be a real quarterback. And it's just like,
[24:28] Speaker 2: He's just– I mean, this weekend's game was frustrating. If
[24:31] Speaker 2: you're down on Kyler, this would be a good one
[24:33] Speaker 2: to rewatch back. But it was one of those where
[24:35] Speaker 2: it's just like he can't just always just have a
[24:37] Speaker 2: consistent game where he does it all perfect. He'll have
[24:39] Speaker 2: a drive or a half where it's like there's a
[24:41] Speaker 2: quarterback right there, and then he takes a sack in
[24:44] Speaker 2: the red zone or takes a sack to put on
[24:46] Speaker 2: third down to knock you out of field goal range,
[24:47] Speaker 2: and you're like– Come on, Kyler.
[24:50] Speaker 1: I need you, buddy. Yeah, well, I take this right
[24:52] Speaker 1: fast before we go to break. And I don't know
[24:55] Speaker 1: if I can do this without us just going on
[24:57] Speaker 1: and on about it. But I'll try to do this.
[24:59] Speaker 1: If there is a guy who has the physical traits
[25:02] Speaker 1: to buy being just a little bit late, like he's
[25:05] Speaker 1: often late. It happens very it just doesn't matter because
[25:09] Speaker 1: sending extra rushers don't matter because they bounce off of
[25:11] Speaker 1: him like there's a force field. That would be number
[25:13] Speaker 1: 17 in Buffalo. He can buy all the time in
[25:17] Speaker 1: the world. Watching through the years, you're not bringing him
[25:20] Speaker 1: down with number 34.
[25:27] Speaker 4: Right right right yeah 34 it better be 58 yeah
[25:31] Speaker 4: number 22 72 yeah and not one of these guys
[25:35] Speaker 4: that wants to be cool and we're a little man
[25:36] Speaker 4: number being a big man that's not who it's gonna
[25:39] Speaker 4: take to bring him down number 73 is gonna have
[25:42] Speaker 4: to come in there and get.
[25:43] Speaker 2: Something done insane isn't he i can't believe it like
[25:48] Speaker 2: where do you have them like meant like i mean
[25:50] Speaker 2: we probably have you have a little bit before me
[25:52] Speaker 2: but like we have overlap a lot of our football
[25:54] Speaker 2: timelines like yeah.
[25:57] Speaker 1: It's first of all, it's the biggest bet that anybody
[26:00] Speaker 1: has ever cashed in in the history of the NFL.
[26:02] Speaker 2: Yes. Period.
[26:03] Speaker 1: Like this is a look. It took time. They wrote
[26:07] Speaker 1: it out. Like he wound up in a great situation
[26:09] Speaker 1: for him. And look, people get mad at me when
[26:11] Speaker 1: I talk about this, but I think it's undeniably true.
[26:13] Speaker 1: When you look at the coverage, it really helps when
[26:15] Speaker 1: everybody wants it for you, whether it was local, whether
[26:18] Speaker 1: it was everywhere else, teammates afforded him the patience to,
[26:22] Speaker 1: for the first two or two and three years to get,
[26:25] Speaker 1: you know, to get to where it was. Cause he stunk.
[26:28] Speaker 1: Like we were not wrong when he said he stunk. Nah,
[26:31] Speaker 1: it's never been like this before. And then on top
[26:34] Speaker 1: of it, everybody likes him.
[26:36] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[26:37] Speaker 2: Loves him. That was my, so I, I liked him
[26:40] Speaker 2: as a prospect, but I was like, this is like
[26:42] Speaker 2: one out of a hundred. This works, but like, Hey,
[26:44] Speaker 2: he seems like a good kid. Like all this stuff
[26:47] Speaker 2: that first his rookie year, he scored a touchdown. And
[26:50] Speaker 2: the entire sideline and the team went and celebrated with
[26:53] Speaker 2: him going nuts. And I was just like, huh, that's interesting.
[26:58] Speaker 2: I remember where I was sitting. I think I had
[27:01] Speaker 2: just moved here to Vegas. And I remember just being like,
[27:03] Speaker 2: that's interesting. They really like him. Huh, there might be
[27:06] Speaker 2: something to this. And then I think it was 2019
[27:08] Speaker 2: comes in. Still spraying stuff. But like, I had a
[27:11] Speaker 2: couple moments. And then now we were watching him. This
[27:14] Speaker 2: dude's changing protections like Peyton Manning in his prime.
[27:17] Speaker 1: And then, and then.
[27:18] Speaker 2: And then throwing a guy off of him and launching
[27:21] Speaker 2: a throw 45 yards. And it's just like, I mean,
[27:24] Speaker 2: he's maxed out on everything. 99 overall, 99 overall.
[27:28] Speaker 1: But he'll still panic every now and then, right? Like
[27:31] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson looked excellent in that game, by the way.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Excellent in that game. You got a whole, and Josh
[27:36] Speaker 1: is still giving you a chance to do a game.
[27:38] Speaker 1: Stafford's a guy like that. My Stafford comp that makes
[27:42] Speaker 1: people mad, but it's the truth. Carson Palmer was that guy.
[27:46] Speaker 1: If you take advantage of the chances they'll give you
[27:48] Speaker 1: to win the game, you might got a chance, right?
[27:51] Speaker 4: Yes.
[27:51] Speaker 1: But otherwise, man, it's about to be some hell to
[27:54] Speaker 1: pay out here.
[27:56] Speaker 2: Or it could go south very quickly if that high
[27:59] Speaker 2: wire act hits.
[28:01] Speaker 1: But I saw Stafford made a throw across the field,
[28:04] Speaker 1: and I'm not a Stafford guy. But what he can do.
[28:08] Speaker 2: Watch him on Sunday.
[28:09] Speaker 1: Woo! Good God, he looked good.
[28:12] Speaker 2: That dude doesn't even move, and he... He's throwing sidearm
[28:16] Speaker 2: throws 40 yards on a rope. Well, yeah, Sever's one
[28:20] Speaker 2: of those guys, like all those quarterback guys just kind
[28:22] Speaker 2: of like laugh at because it's just like, well, yeah,
[28:25] Speaker 2: I can't do that. Like, but he can. He threw
[28:28] Speaker 2: a no look, no look seam ball 30 yards, like
[28:32] Speaker 2: 28 yards down the field on a rope as he
[28:33] Speaker 2: was getting hit. But as he's getting hit, like he's backwards.
[28:37] Speaker 2: He's kind of like, you can't see my feet right now,
[28:39] Speaker 2: but they're kind of parallel to the line of scrimmage.
[28:42] Speaker 2: And he's flat footed, getting hit. no looking the linebacker
[28:46] Speaker 2: and then throwing a seam ball at 25 yards. If
[28:48] Speaker 2: a guy did any one of those things, that's like
[28:50] Speaker 2: highlight worthy. And he did like three of the hardest things. Like, yeah, he,
[28:54] Speaker 2: his high end stuff. But the thing is, he also
[28:56] Speaker 2: gets hit once in the next play. It looks like
[28:58] Speaker 2: he came hobbling across.
[29:00] Speaker 1: He's another one. Once again, he, his patience game was
[29:03] Speaker 1: different because he was good enough to be a starter
[29:05] Speaker 1: and he got that patience. He got the patience where
[29:07] Speaker 1: he's going to maybe go into the hall of fame
[29:09] Speaker 1: with all of three pro bowl appearances, like the comp
[29:13] Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
[29:15] Speaker 1: The Super Bowl is probably going to take it there.
[29:17] Speaker 1: But I don't know anybody that has consistently gotten better
[29:21] Speaker 1: for 15 years. Yep.
[29:23] Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah.
[29:24] Speaker 1: Because this is year 17 for him.
[29:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, because he.
[29:29] Speaker 1: Entered at 20. 09. In 09. This is year 17
[29:33] Speaker 1: for him. And as much as people put the he
[29:35] Speaker 1: played for Detroit thing, yeah, damn. Got stuck throwing to
[29:39] Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. um like it wasn't it wasn't yeah yeah
[29:43] Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad as advertised but coming up next
[29:45] Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about uh some more of these games
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[31:15] Speaker 1: We are back with Nate Tice. You know, Russell Wilson
[31:19] Speaker 1: had a bad game against the commandos because Daybold could
[31:23] Speaker 1: not say definitively that he was going to start the
[31:25] Speaker 1: next game. And then he came back out and after
[31:27] Speaker 1: watching the film, decided that he is going to start
[31:30] Speaker 1: in week two, which I take to be a, we
[31:33] Speaker 1: watched the film and Russell Wilson was bad, but so
[31:36] Speaker 1: was everybody else. And we're not going to sacrifice anything
[31:39] Speaker 1: this quarterback that we say we're high on, um, in
[31:42] Speaker 1: order to just throw him on the field early. Cause look,
[31:46] Speaker 1: I don't think they have any good quarterbacks. I don't
[31:48] Speaker 1: think they have anything to gain for putting Jackson dart
[31:50] Speaker 1: out there, except to tell the veterans we're not giving
[31:53] Speaker 1: up on the season, right? Like that to me is
[31:55] Speaker 1: the only thing that you have to gain from doing that,
[31:56] Speaker 1: which I think is a value. It matters. I'm not
[31:59] Speaker 1: the one that has to manage these guys on a
[32:01] Speaker 1: day-to-day basis, but you played in college with Russell Wilson.
[32:04] Speaker 1: I covered Russell Wilson when he was at his first college, um,
[32:08] Speaker 1: Party's over, guys.
[32:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with Noah O'Line. It's just... Him without an
[32:14] Speaker 2: offensive line is never going to be pretty.
[32:16] Speaker 1: Well, tell me this. Best case scenario on Russell Wilson
[32:18] Speaker 1: is kind of what you're hoping for Caleb Williams, right? Yeah.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Although Caleb Williams is bigger, they play in similar ways,
[32:25] Speaker 1: but also Russell Wilson was a different caliber of athlete.
[32:29] Speaker 2: Russell was just so much more creative. Russ scrambled to
[32:33] Speaker 2: launch a 40-yard deep ball. You know what I mean?
[32:36] Speaker 2: Caleb was... scrambling to like either you know run a
[32:40] Speaker 2: little bit but also just throw like more line drive
[32:42] Speaker 2: underneath stuff so how they even like what they get
[32:44] Speaker 2: to is different like that's the thing about Russ you
[32:47] Speaker 2: could take those sacks because the very next play he
[32:50] Speaker 2: might be launching a thing 40 yards down the field
[32:53] Speaker 2: and that you can win taking sacks like I'll say
[32:55] Speaker 2: this again but you have to generate explosives and that's
[32:59] Speaker 2: the Caleb conundrum he's a single Caleb right now is
[33:02] Speaker 2: playing like a singles and doubles hitter that takes a
[33:04] Speaker 2: bunch of strikeouts That's not– that math doesn't– I don't
[33:07] Speaker 2: want Ichiro taking 200 strikeouts.
[33:09] Speaker 3: Right.
[33:09] Speaker 2: You know, like that math doesn't work out for quarterbacks.
[33:13] Speaker 2: But like Russ, prime Russ at least, or Wisconsin Russ,
[33:16] Speaker 2: it was– we had a great run game that kept
[33:17] Speaker 2: us on schedule. But then it was like– I mean,
[33:20] Speaker 2: our 2011 Wisconsin offense was legitimately one of the best
[33:23] Speaker 2: offenses in like recent history.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Well, what you're talking about is should have won the
[33:27] Speaker 1: Heisman Russ except for people who don't remember that season.
[33:32] Speaker 1: Two insane Hail Marys are the only reason Russell Wilson
[33:36] Speaker 1: did not win that Heisman. And if those don't happen,
[33:39] Speaker 1: by the way, Russell wins that Heisman and not Robert Griffin,
[33:45] Speaker 1: which would make your current life a lot less annoying.
[33:50] Speaker 2: Hey, you got another Fox gig.
[33:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me tell you, Robert Griffin doesn't
[33:55] Speaker 1: win that Heisman. A whole lot of things about life
[33:57] Speaker 1: are much different.
[33:59] Speaker 2: Russ didn't even get into the Heisman ceremony. Monte Ball did.
[34:03] Speaker 1: That's right.
[34:04] Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
[34:05] Speaker 1: But no, they had, well, Kirk Cousins threw the crazy
[34:08] Speaker 1: one in Michigan State and Braxton Miller. through the everybody
[34:12] Speaker 1: cries because Ohio State finally did something good that year.
[34:14] Speaker 1: It was literally two from the 50-yard line Hail Marys
[34:18] Speaker 1: in a year where Russell Wilson had something like 37
[34:19] Speaker 1: touchdowns and four interceptions, and they went to the Rose
[34:22] Speaker 1: Bowl and all of that. He was that guy. I
[34:25] Speaker 1: remember I was doing Around the Horn the day that
[34:27] Speaker 1: it was announced that he was going to Wisconsin, and
[34:29] Speaker 1: it was funny because I went to the studio to
[34:31] Speaker 1: do Around the Horn and who was there but Russell Wilson.
[34:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the interview.
[34:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, because he did one of the shows right beforehand.
[34:38] Speaker 1: And so I remember I'm on the call, and most
[34:41] Speaker 1: of those guys didn't follow college football on a granular level,
[34:44] Speaker 1: certainly not at a level at which they knew what
[34:45] Speaker 1: was going on at NC State. And I remember the
[34:49] Speaker 1: question was asked on the call. It was like, can
[34:51] Speaker 1: they win a national championship? I said, if what you're
[34:54] Speaker 1: telling me is Wisconsin needs a quarterback to win a
[34:56] Speaker 1: national championship, the answer is get ready. Like, yes, they
[35:01] Speaker 1: got the guy.
[35:03] Speaker 2: He came in. And how Bielma recruited him. It was
[35:06] Speaker 2: one of these things, too. As a quarterback there, he
[35:08] Speaker 2: took two throws, and I was like, yeah, I get it, guys.
[35:12] Speaker 2: But he came in, and Bielma was genius how he
[35:15] Speaker 2: recruited him. The only players he met was the starting
[35:18] Speaker 2: offensive line. And so he was like, and Russ is Russ.
[35:23] Speaker 2: Russ wants to be the president. And so in his head,
[35:26] Speaker 2: he's like, all right, what gets me to the NFL?
[35:29] Speaker 2: What are my biggest questions? He was very aware about this. Well,
[35:32] Speaker 2: people say I can't throw over an NFL offensive line
[35:34] Speaker 2: because I'm so short. All right, let's go. Let's go
[35:37] Speaker 2: behind these these big dudes and I'll prove I'll prove
[35:40] Speaker 2: them all wrong. But that's what Bealmo's genius. He was like, hey,
[35:43] Speaker 2: you're going to go here. Look at these guys. These
[35:44] Speaker 2: guys are all going to the NFL.
[35:45] Speaker 1: You can prove it here.
[35:47] Speaker 2: Like, watch out. And oh, my God, that that offense
[35:51] Speaker 2: was so sick because even in the back, we were
[35:53] Speaker 2: able to redshirt Melvin Gordon because we didn't even need him.
[35:56] Speaker 2: Wisconsin was able to redshirt Melvin Gordon. That's how talented
[35:59] Speaker 2: we were that year. But yeah, James White, Monty Ball.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Monty tied the touchdown record. And James White came in.
[36:07] Speaker 2: He was great.
[36:08] Speaker 1: Should have been Super Bowl MVP.
[36:10] Speaker 2: Should have been Super Bowl MVP. At least he got
[36:12] Speaker 2: the truck, I think, right? Didn't Tom Brady give him
[36:14] Speaker 2: the truck? I should have James. He's doing some media stuff, too.
[36:16] Speaker 2: We have the same agent. I should have James. He's
[36:18] Speaker 2: a great dude. But no, we actually had two NFL
[36:21] Speaker 2: receivers that year. Nick Toon. Al Toon's son and Jared Aberderis.
[36:27] Speaker 2: But it was just one of the– like that Michigan State–
[36:29] Speaker 2: I can't believe you remember that. The Kirk Cousins Hail Mary. Bullshit,
[36:32] Speaker 2: by the way. So he scores. They say– they ruled
[36:36] Speaker 2: it incomplete. Or they ruled it that he didn't score
[36:38] Speaker 2: at first. And then they reviewed it. And the angle
[36:41] Speaker 2: that they used was like on the line of scrimmage.
[36:44] Speaker 2: You know, like camera on the line of scrimmage to
[36:46] Speaker 2: see if he passed– broke the plane. It was off-angled.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Like it was at the one-yard line and tilted. It
[36:54] Speaker 2: wasn't down the line. And to this day, I'm like, no,
[36:58] Speaker 2: that's inconclusive.
[36:59] Speaker 1: Nope.
[37:00] Speaker 2: Has to be 100% without a doubt. I remember it.
[37:03] Speaker 2: And then the Braxton Miller. Oh, my God. I can't
[37:05] Speaker 2: believe you're bringing it. Now these are.
[37:06] Speaker 1: Just wounds, man.
[37:07] Speaker 2: These are just.
[37:08] Speaker 1: What are my favorite?
[37:09] Speaker 2: We won at Bama that year. We were like, hey,
[37:12] Speaker 2: we got this this year. If JJ Watt came back
[37:14] Speaker 2: that year, we were definitely rolling.
[37:15] Speaker 1: But yeah.
[37:16] Speaker 2: And then we had one of the greatest games ever,
[37:17] Speaker 2: that Big Ten championship game against Michigan State.
[37:20] Speaker 1: One of my favorite sub-jobbers of content is people mad
[37:24] Speaker 1: at things that happened 15 years ago like they just
[37:27] Speaker 1: happened this morning.
[37:28] Speaker 2: You detailed it. You mentioned the names, and that's actually
[37:31] Speaker 2: what I heard. And as the backup quarterback, I'm right
[37:34] Speaker 2: there at the line of scrimmage, so I'm watching that
[37:36] Speaker 2: throw go off and going, they're not going to catch that, right?
[37:40] Speaker 2: They're not going to catch that, right? They're not going
[37:42] Speaker 2: to catch that, right? We just lost. Michigan State Stadium sucks.
[37:47] Speaker 2: It's got the bathroom. They have like three showers for
[37:50] Speaker 2: 100 people. It's tight. They have two yards of sideline
[37:55] Speaker 2: from you to the fans. Oh, my God.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Sorry.
[37:58] Speaker 2: You're just really.
[38:00] Speaker 1: So I'll make the nice transition for you.
[38:03] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[38:03] Speaker 1: Are you buying into Jackson Dart because I have a
[38:06] Speaker 1: pretty safe rule? Drafted in the 20s? Nope. Not for
[38:10] Speaker 1: a quarterback. No way.
[38:12] Speaker 2: Don't, I'm not very high on him. I think he's,
[38:15] Speaker 2: I think he's okay. I kind of has some Heineke
[38:18] Speaker 2: to him. I got kind of a Heineke plus kind
[38:21] Speaker 2: of a runaround guy. I thought he would talk about
[38:24] Speaker 2: taking a second to, to process, you know, like he
[38:27] Speaker 2: takes a second to throw. He's got, he's got tools.
[38:29] Speaker 2: That was one thing. He's a good runner. Well, he's
[38:32] Speaker 2: pretty athletic. He's got pretty good arm. His deep ball
[38:34] Speaker 2: dies on him a little bit, but it was one
[38:36] Speaker 2: of those where everyone's comparing him to Josh Allen and stuff.
[38:39] Speaker 2: I'm like, if he was like Josh Allen, he's going
[38:40] Speaker 2: top 10. Like, you know, Josh Allen's Josh Allen. Like,
[38:44] Speaker 2: the tools were a step down. And Josh Allen was
[38:47] Speaker 2: able to win early on because his tools were top
[38:49] Speaker 2: of the line. We just laughed about it, 99 overall
[38:51] Speaker 2: and everything, even before he figured everything out. No, Dart
[38:55] Speaker 2: to me, he's tough. He's going to make some cool plays.
[38:58] Speaker 2: But the thing is, everything's just always a count slow.
[39:02] Speaker 2: And on plays that he's familiar with, with a guy
[39:05] Speaker 2: that has a lot of reps. So that was my worst.
[39:07] Speaker 2: I had a third-round grade on him. Like, you know, okay,
[39:10] Speaker 2: take a shot. Make him sit. I'm scared of him
[39:12] Speaker 2: playing behind that offensive line, too, because he takes a
[39:14] Speaker 2: lot of sacks.
[39:16] Speaker 1: Hey, man. These guys need to get something before Malik
[39:19] Speaker 1: Neighbors completely loses it. I've never seen a player this
[39:26] Speaker 1: young feel this way before. Yeah. Yeah.
[39:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's been a while. It's been a while. Maybe Keyshawn.
[39:33] Speaker 1: Keyshawn just put that book out and said that, but
[39:37] Speaker 1: we did not have the examples of Keyshawn.
[39:40] Speaker 2: Just, oh my God, what is going on? And he's
[39:45] Speaker 2: like dancing with Jaden Daniels before the game. They're like
[39:47] Speaker 2: having fun, like high-fiving. And then the game starts, he
[39:51] Speaker 2: looks at his quarterback and he's just like this. I
[39:55] Speaker 2: didn't see that either.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Look, so he had to deal with like Daniel Jones
[39:59] Speaker 1: and everybody else. And what's that boy? Tommy DeVito. He
[40:02] Speaker 1: was on the team, right? He got all of that.
[40:05] Speaker 1: At some point, New York City, look, New York City,
[40:09] Speaker 1: it seems to be enjoying the idea of Jameis Winston
[40:12] Speaker 1: right now. At some point, he's going to get on
[40:15] Speaker 1: the field. And I just can't wait to see Brian
[40:17] Speaker 1: Dable's head explode when that happens.
[40:21] Speaker 2: With that offensive line. Did you see Dable's, their first
[40:26] Speaker 2: red zone play or first play at the goal line?
[40:27] Speaker 2: What they did?
[40:28] Speaker 1: No, I did not.
[40:30] Speaker 2: They ran like a play action. They had an offensive
[40:31] Speaker 2: lineman running like a legit route into the back of
[40:34] Speaker 2: the end zone. But it was so funny because usually
[40:37] Speaker 2: teams do that. Like they set it up for weeks. hey,
[40:40] Speaker 2: this is our big– hey, we got extra offensive linemen.
[40:42] Speaker 2: We have extra offensive linemen. We're going to run the ball,
[40:44] Speaker 2: run the ball. And they did it on the first
[40:46] Speaker 2: goal line play of the year. So you could tell
[40:48] Speaker 2: like Dayball was really trying to like you know, a
[40:51] Speaker 2: little pizzazz to start the season and Washington covers it
[40:54] Speaker 2: up like a glove. Like, I mean, they just, I mean,
[40:56] Speaker 2: just are all over it. So it just looks like
[40:58] Speaker 2: the stupidest play. There's an offensive lineman running a 10
[41:00] Speaker 2: yard route, trying to juke a DB and he doesn't
[41:02] Speaker 2: get it, but that's what that's.
[41:06] Speaker 1: I did see that play at the goal line. I
[41:07] Speaker 1: was at Nick's house and I was like, Hey man,
[41:09] Speaker 1: that looked like he was supposed to run a route.
[41:11] Speaker 1: He did. It was in the bag. Okay. I thought
[41:13] Speaker 1: I saw him go.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Whew.
[41:17] Speaker 1: With your shoulder and then take it back outside. I'm like, no,
[41:20] Speaker 1: he's just supposed to be there and be fat.
[41:22] Speaker 2: No, he was trying to run a fricking route. First,
[41:27] Speaker 2: first goal I'd play in the year.
[41:28] Speaker 1: It killed me.
[41:29] Speaker 2: Cause that's the thing. My thing with Dable is that
[41:32] Speaker 2: he has media friends and he reads everything. And it
[41:36] Speaker 2: just seems like he does a lot of things performatively.
[41:39] Speaker 2: That's how my read on him. Everything's kind of performative
[41:41] Speaker 2: with him. Like he, Oh, you know, I love my quarterback. Like,
[41:44] Speaker 2: and he's like getting all giddy about him and saying
[41:46] Speaker 2: all these things in the preseason. It's like really about
[41:48] Speaker 2: what he did right there.
[41:49] Speaker 1: Interesting.
[41:50] Speaker 2: Cause he knows he needs that dark to be decent,
[41:52] Speaker 2: to save his job. Like, you know, so of course
[41:55] Speaker 2: he's going to be selling these things. Like he he's
[41:57] Speaker 2: selling a lot. He's like, Oh, I got my Josh Allen.
[42:00] Speaker 2: It's like, well, again, I'm never going to compare anybody
[42:02] Speaker 2: to Josh Allen ever. And, and also the progression of
[42:05] Speaker 2: Josh Allen. And also, again, you can't compare these two
[42:08] Speaker 2: guys because their tools are so different. They want, Again,
[42:12] Speaker 2: one maxes out the scales and one's more like, good.
[42:15] Speaker 2: But there's a big difference between maxing out the scale,
[42:17] Speaker 2: A +, and a B. That's a pretty big difference.
[42:21] Speaker 2: So that's what– it's kind of been funny with the Giants.
[42:25] Speaker 2: It's like they're telling themselves a lot of things, and
[42:27] Speaker 2: they have one of the hardest schedules, and I think
[42:30] Speaker 2: they're going to struggle to win a lot of games.
[42:32] Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of coaches, I don't know football on this
[42:37] Speaker 1: level in the way that I know basketball, right? But
[42:41] Speaker 1: with basketball, especially at the professional level, it takes very
[42:46] Speaker 1: little for a coach to lose a team. And the
[42:51] Speaker 1: example I talk about on this show a lot, I
[42:52] Speaker 1: found out about a team where in practice, there was
[42:55] Speaker 1: a coach who had moved up to the pros from college,
[42:58] Speaker 1: and he called five seconds on the dribbler, which is
[43:01] Speaker 1: a college call and not a professional call. And he
[43:03] Speaker 1: did that in training camp, in a practice, and it
[43:05] Speaker 1: was over. He lost them right then and there, right? Right.
[43:10] Speaker 1: Brian Callahan stood in front of God and everybody else
[43:15] Speaker 1: and said that he did not challenge a catch in
[43:17] Speaker 1: a game that was very clearly a catch by his
[43:19] Speaker 1: guys in a game they had a chance to win.
[43:22] Speaker 1: And he did not challenge it because he knew that
[43:27] Speaker 1: an arm or a hand being down was not the
[43:30] Speaker 1: same as two feet being down. Now, I want to
[43:33] Speaker 1: say two things. Number one, it says it specifically in
[43:37] Speaker 1: the rule book that any body part is the equivalent
[43:41] Speaker 1: of two feet. But number two, even if you didn't
[43:44] Speaker 1: know the rules, if you are of Brian Callahan's age
[43:48] Speaker 1: or in that ballpark, and let me look it up
[43:49] Speaker 1: because I feel like he is not too young to
[43:53] Speaker 1: understand what I'm about to say. A lot of us
[43:56] Speaker 1: grew up with some pretty solid John Maddenisms. And the
[44:00] Speaker 1: biggest one is one hand is the same as two feet.
[44:05] Speaker 1: And he did not know this. In a basketball context,
[44:09] Speaker 1: you should start looking for your new coach tomorrow because
[44:12] Speaker 1: these guys are checked out on this because I'm checked
[44:15] Speaker 1: out on him after this.
[44:16] Speaker 2: Even Cam Ward seemed like he was like, oh my God,
[44:19] Speaker 2: what am I dealing with here? It was very disappointing
[44:23] Speaker 2: as hopefully one of the good Nepos. It was pretty disappointing,
[44:28] Speaker 2: but that's the point of the upside of a Nepo
[44:32] Speaker 2: in theory. is well they have more exposure they have
[44:35] Speaker 2: more reps at this stuff they have more you know
[44:38] Speaker 2: they they pick this stuff up at seven i was
[44:40] Speaker 2: spotting footballs and reading scripts from nine years old on
[44:42] Speaker 2: it's like and it did help me hearing conversations you
[44:45] Speaker 2: just mentioned the madden thing when you just watch these
[44:47] Speaker 2: games you just learn it through osmosis i mean any
[44:49] Speaker 2: of us that do anything that we like or hobbies
[44:51] Speaker 2: or anything that's what's disappointing it's like he should know
[44:54] Speaker 2: stuff like the back of his hand like he should
[44:56] Speaker 2: know these rules like like that like everybody kind of
[44:59] Speaker 2: that one's pretty That's like a 201 level football knowledge thing.
[45:03] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's not like some advanced
[45:04] Speaker 2: thing like a rip move negates holding penalties. You know,
[45:08] Speaker 2: like that's pretty advanced. I understand people not understanding that.
[45:11] Speaker 2: Coach's kid, but also, and this is more indicative of anything,
[45:17] Speaker 2: and maybe just of the coaching or just their system
[45:20] Speaker 2: there in Tennessee too, is a lot of these coaches
[45:22] Speaker 2: that even if they might not know the rule, they
[45:24] Speaker 2: have a guide. that knows the rules. And then they
[45:27] Speaker 2: have a line of communication that can get to them
[45:30] Speaker 2: and go like, Hey, we got to challenge us. Hey,
[45:31] Speaker 2: we got to do this because of this, this and that.
[45:33] Speaker 2: So that's, what's indicative of like, that's more negative to
[45:36] Speaker 2: me than anything that not one person either had the
[45:39] Speaker 2: trust or one person was enabled. One person thought they
[45:42] Speaker 2: had the confidence to go like, Hey, we should challenge
[45:44] Speaker 2: this or we should do this. That that's, that's really
[45:48] Speaker 2: scary to me, but I love your five seconds call
[45:51] Speaker 2: because I know, especially with NBA guys, they're, They're looking
[45:55] Speaker 2: for that stuff.
[45:56] Speaker 1: That's it.
[45:56] Speaker 2: And I heard about, who's the guy that came over from,
[46:00] Speaker 2: that was LeBron's coach in Cleveland, not Ty Lue or anything.
[46:03] Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking about David Blatt.
[46:05] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[46:05] Speaker 1: David Blatt.
[46:06] Speaker 2: I heard some stories about that kind of happening too.
[46:09] Speaker 2: Same exact kind of thing where he, supposed to be
[46:12] Speaker 2: a very smart basketball mind, but had some moments where
[46:15] Speaker 2: he didn't realize it was the NBA rules. They kind
[46:18] Speaker 2: of lost some people some things. But no, I'm glad
[46:20] Speaker 2: you brought up the Tennessee thing because I've just been like,
[46:23] Speaker 2: There's no arguing for it. There's no justification of it all.
[46:28] Speaker 2: And also it makes it worse because he should, of
[46:32] Speaker 2: all people, be a rules genius, savant, because of just
[46:37] Speaker 2: being around the game with his dad on the staff
[46:39] Speaker 2: at offensive line coach and Bill Calhoun. So yeah, very
[46:42] Speaker 2: disappointing and brewing the Nepo. the netbook name for all of.
[46:46] Speaker 1: Us i will say this also i watched a decent
[46:49] Speaker 1: bit of that game you know watching with all the
[46:51] Speaker 1: screens and i felt like i got a decent look
[46:53] Speaker 1: at a lot of the action there um i thought
[46:56] Speaker 1: their quarterback looked good i don't care what the numbers
[46:59] Speaker 1: said i thought cam ward looked really good he looked
[47:02] Speaker 1: like he was out there for dolo but i thought
[47:04] Speaker 1: he looked good i'm a big fan.
[47:06] Speaker 2: He's he's one i liked and then i did my
[47:09] Speaker 2: i usually do a big evaluation scouting study on all
[47:14] Speaker 2: the top quarterbacks and he used one after I did
[47:16] Speaker 2: that and watched seven games and looked at numbers and
[47:19] Speaker 2: everything I'm like this guy's just good like I don't
[47:21] Speaker 2: know why we're saying oh yeah it's just a bad
[47:23] Speaker 2: class that's why he's going number one it's like no
[47:24] Speaker 2: this guy's like he's got some stuff to him I
[47:27] Speaker 2: I compare I've been comparing him to Rodney Mullen I
[47:29] Speaker 2: don't know what your skateboarding knowledge is uh but Rodney
[47:32] Speaker 2: Mullen invented the kickflip amongst other tricks. And what was
[47:36] Speaker 2: cool about Rodney Mullen was he would do these advanced
[47:39] Speaker 2: looking crazy things, but his fundamentals were so good that
[47:43] Speaker 2: that let him do those crazy things to invent things.
[47:46] Speaker 2: And Cam Ward, because he does all the trick shots,
[47:48] Speaker 2: and I think some people are maybe misconstruing how he
[47:51] Speaker 2: actually plays. Dude is so smart. He's got great timing.
[47:55] Speaker 2: He's got great creativity, but it keeps him on time.
[47:59] Speaker 2: So he can throw sidearm. He can like kind of
[48:01] Speaker 2: just do these extra things but it's to be consistent
[48:05] Speaker 2: which i think is really kind of special uh but
[48:08] Speaker 2: no he looked good he had a couple throws good
[48:09] Speaker 2: process he took a couple sacks but it's whatever um
[48:12] Speaker 2: it's denver defense which might be number one defense this
[48:14] Speaker 2: year too uh he took he had a couple moments
[48:17] Speaker 2: that were like that's some really good process even if
[48:19] Speaker 2: the results weren't weren't there so i'm with you i
[48:21] Speaker 2: think even the numbers weren't great i thought he looked
[48:23] Speaker 2: really good.
[48:24] Speaker 1: Now as we start winding this down um one i'm
[48:27] Speaker 1: trying to imagine your big ass on a skateboard and
[48:29] Speaker 1: two um Ryan said in text, I think it's pretty
[48:34] Speaker 1: funny about this, which is, you know, Brian Daybold's out
[48:37] Speaker 1: here looking like he'll be Alabama's offensive coordinator next year
[48:39] Speaker 1: under Lane Kiffin. Number one, I cannot imagine a more
[48:42] Speaker 1: combustible mix than Brian Daybold and Lane Kiffin. But also,
[48:45] Speaker 1: don't forget, Daybold won a national championship as the offensive
[48:49] Speaker 1: coordinator in Alabama, and everybody was ready for him to go.
[48:54] Speaker 1: it was and meanwhile he's like if you would have
[48:56] Speaker 1: just started to in the first place like i wanted
[48:59] Speaker 1: to we'd have been just fine that was a wild
[49:02] Speaker 1: season when you really stop and look back on it
[49:04] Speaker 1: what happened there but no they won't they won't be
[49:08] Speaker 1: talking crazy to people like you see it during games
[49:10] Speaker 1: i'm like you're not tall enough to talk to me
[49:12] Speaker 1: like that well no he's.
[49:13] Speaker 2: Got his big truck that's right that's a big truck
[49:16] Speaker 2: that needs five steps to get out of. He, uh, no, he,
[49:20] Speaker 2: he's got, he was a Belichick saving guy. So it's
[49:23] Speaker 2: just like, he thinks that has to be a certain way,
[49:25] Speaker 2: but that's guys try to do this for years. Uh,
[49:28] Speaker 2: be a little mini Parcells is, And it was just
[49:30] Speaker 2: like setback football like a decade. Just people. Everyone tried
[49:35] Speaker 2: to be a Bill Parcells or a Bill Belichick and
[49:37] Speaker 2: then set football back forever. None of the Belichick guys.
[49:40] Speaker 1: Have made it work.
[49:41] Speaker 2: Ever. Ever.
[49:42] Speaker 1: None of them.
[49:43] Speaker 4: Ever.
[49:44] Speaker 2: Like ever.
[49:45] Speaker 1: Ever.
[49:46] Speaker 2: You can't find anyone.
[49:47] Speaker 1: The only one that has is Nick Saban. Yes.
[49:50] Speaker 2: Right and that's exactly true i know and and dimitrov
[49:55] Speaker 2: as a gm for the falcons had like a good
[49:57] Speaker 2: run and that was it but even his little gms
[50:00] Speaker 2: that went everywhere fail like it was just it was
[50:03] Speaker 2: everybody it's everybody because it was so there's a story
[50:06] Speaker 2: i'll wrap up with this we're tied us all together
[50:09] Speaker 2: was somebody asked um uh dimitrov and like we had
[50:14] Speaker 2: kind of like a q a when i was with
[50:15] Speaker 2: the falcons and i were kind of like so what
[50:17] Speaker 2: One of the scouts goes like, what is the Patriots
[50:20] Speaker 2: system to you? Like, what is the Patriot way? He
[50:23] Speaker 2: kind of just goes, Tom Brady. And now that was 2015, 2014.
[50:32] Speaker 2: And now 10 years later, I'm like, yeah, that sure
[50:36] Speaker 2: seemed right. Seemed right to me. That's pretty apparent what happened.
[50:40] Speaker 2: It just seemed like a really, really good quarterback with
[50:43] Speaker 2: a guy that just knew all the rules and was
[50:46] Speaker 2: willing to trade back in the draft. That was the
[50:48] Speaker 2: Patriot way, it seemed like, for a while.
[50:50] Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, I'll ask this one last thing before we go.
[50:53] Speaker 1: What did you think about Aaron Rodgers in week one? Fine.
[50:58] Speaker 2: He had none of his combustible moments like last year.
[51:01] Speaker 2: He's not moving great. I don't think anyone should be
[51:03] Speaker 2: surprised with that. But, man, I mean, can you play
[51:06] Speaker 2: the Jets defense every week? That'll help out. The two
[51:10] Speaker 2: of the touchdowns were easy, you know. I say that
[51:13] Speaker 2: sitting in my chair in Las Vegas. But same play.
[51:17] Speaker 2: It was like a little bootleg play. So it wasn't
[51:18] Speaker 2: anything crazy. The third touchdown was a jet sweep to
[51:21] Speaker 2: Jonu Smith. I thought the Steelers offense had some nice moments.
[51:25] Speaker 2: He's just got to play like that. Like the thing
[51:27] Speaker 2: was last year is he like became, you know, arm
[51:30] Speaker 2: is still there to make some of the throws. But
[51:33] Speaker 2: some of the stuff was like, dude, you've had like
[51:35] Speaker 2: 200 starts. How do you not know protections? Like he
[51:38] Speaker 2: was awful against the Blitz and he wasn't helping it
[51:40] Speaker 2: out at all. And that was really confusing to me.
[51:43] Speaker 2: So I think there is some appeal with, like, Zach Frazier,
[51:46] Speaker 2: the center, and Arthur Smith, the OC, having some personality
[51:48] Speaker 2: to go, like, hey, we got this, and you can
[51:51] Speaker 2: do your glory hunting things. So if I had to
[51:55] Speaker 2: give it a grade, it was, like, a B minus B. Like,
[51:58] Speaker 2: I thought it was a pretty good Aaron Rodgers appearance
[52:02] Speaker 2: in 2025. I think that's the nicest way I can
[52:04] Speaker 2: put it. Had some nice moments and had none of
[52:06] Speaker 2: those moments, like, that he's had the last couple years,
[52:08] Speaker 2: where he's just, like, dirting things left and right.
[52:11] Speaker 1: I'll say the last thing on this, and this has
[52:12] Speaker 1: been in the weeds on football, but I don't know
[52:15] Speaker 1: if any two people are happier to see each other
[52:17] Speaker 1: than John New Smith and Arthur Smith. When each of
[52:19] Speaker 1: them found out that the other was available, it's like,
[52:24] Speaker 1: it's funny, isn't it? I miss you too.
[52:27] Speaker 2: It was like in the summer. It was like, oh,
[52:30] Speaker 2: Johnny Smith is the Steelers are trying to trade for
[52:32] Speaker 2: Johnny Smith. And everyone's like, what? Okay, where did that
[52:36] Speaker 2: come from?
[52:36] Speaker 3: All right, cool.
[52:37] Speaker 2: Oh, Arthur's there. That's why. It was like, didn't he
[52:39] Speaker 2: just have a good year with the Dolphins? Like, what
[52:41] Speaker 2: just happened here?
[52:42] Speaker 1: Hey, man, look, it sounds like there was some foresight
[52:46] Speaker 1: getting out of that dumpster fire.
[52:47] Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I tweeted this. It was like, my
[52:51] Speaker 2: expectations were low, but holy shit.
[52:53] Speaker 1: And then you get the report today, and today being Tuesday,
[52:59] Speaker 1: in the divorce proceedings, Tyree Hill's soon-to-be estranged wife with
[53:04] Speaker 1: eight alleged incidents of domestic violence. They may wind up
[53:08] Speaker 1: having to cut him this year. And all the talk
[53:11] Speaker 1: about trade, you're going to have to answer for it
[53:13] Speaker 1: if you trade for him. And I think he's going
[53:16] Speaker 1: to just become generally disruptive. They may wind up just
[53:19] Speaker 1: having to leave him on the curb.
[53:22] Speaker 2: I mean, all the signs are there. He, I mean,
[53:25] Speaker 2: just even going from the, like they don't name him captain.
[53:28] Speaker 2: And I know that seems stupid, but I don't know
[53:31] Speaker 2: how many times a vet with the same staff on
[53:34] Speaker 2: the same team has lost the captainship. Like, I know
[53:38] Speaker 2: that seems stupid and I know that seems silly, but
[53:40] Speaker 2: it is very like, That's telling.
[53:42] Speaker 1: That was a choice by the players.
[53:45] Speaker 2: That was everybody going like, no way. Like, no, enough.
[53:48] Speaker 2: You're not good enough for us to be doing this. Like,
[53:50] Speaker 2: to us to wave away. Like, I've seen assholes be
[53:53] Speaker 2: captains all the time. But it's just like, usually it's
[53:55] Speaker 2: because they're good players. And that's the thing with Tyreek is,
[54:00] Speaker 2: I talked to somebody in the NBA, actually. And we're
[54:02] Speaker 2: talking about Vince Carter. And we're talking about how excellent
[54:05] Speaker 2: athletes actually age better. Like, we sometimes... misconstrued the guy
[54:09] Speaker 2: that has the old game, old man game at the
[54:11] Speaker 2: Y ages better because they're advanced. Well, it's like, well,
[54:13] Speaker 2: if they're a bad athlete, they're probably become a worse athlete.
[54:16] Speaker 2: It's not going to end well, but like the really
[54:18] Speaker 2: good athletes can age well if they work hard and
[54:20] Speaker 2: they kind of like learn their game and that, you know,
[54:22] Speaker 2: adapt their game. Tyreek doesn't have that personality to like
[54:25] Speaker 2: adapt his game. His game is just purely speed. And
[54:28] Speaker 2: if you look at all of his metrics now, and
[54:30] Speaker 2: with this, Everything about him is his speed is just
[54:33] Speaker 2: dropping off a cliff. It's not even just slowly going down.
[54:38] Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, it's rapidly descending here. His average
[54:43] Speaker 2: speed last year was 12.77 miles an hour. Year before that, 13.7.
[54:48] Speaker 2: Year before that, 13.8. So it's dropped a full mile
[54:51] Speaker 2: an hour. And that's significant when we're talking about averages.
[54:54] Speaker 2: Top speed went from 22 miles an hour to just
[54:56] Speaker 2: over 21. So, again, dropped a mile an hour. And then, like,
[55:00] Speaker 2: his average, or his, like, times he's hit 15 miles
[55:02] Speaker 2: an hour dropped from 44% to 36%.
[55:05] Speaker 1: Okay, that one tells it for me. Because it's hard
[55:09] Speaker 1: to get the gradations on something as close as, like,
[55:11] Speaker 1: single numbers. But 44 to 36 is a percent?
[55:15] Speaker 2: Yes. 4.3 of his plays in 2023, he went 20
[55:19] Speaker 2: miles an hour and over. 20 miles an hour is
[55:20] Speaker 2: the elite speed.
[55:21] Speaker 1: So, 4.3 in 2023.
[55:22] Speaker 3: 1.3 in 2024.
[55:22] Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
[55:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[55:30] Speaker 1: He's also a sneaky old guy.
[55:32] Speaker 2: Yes. He is a sneaky old guy.
[55:33] Speaker 1: He's been in the league for a while. The thing
[55:36] Speaker 1: with him is it's hard to find guys that fast
[55:41] Speaker 1: who accelerate like that and who change directions.
[55:44] Speaker 2: And ball skills. Tyreek, that's an underrated thing with him
[55:47] Speaker 2: is he can adjust and everything. He's not just a
[55:49] Speaker 2: totally tiny guy, but it's all of his route running
[55:52] Speaker 2: because he's a unique route runner in that he'll sell
[55:55] Speaker 2: routes and go fricking midfield and then break back out
[55:59] Speaker 2: where most guys would just go to the hash. Well,
[56:02] Speaker 2: if you just, if you won your entire, we talk
[56:04] Speaker 2: about how guys win, if you win your entire career
[56:07] Speaker 2: that way, and we're just going to take that away
[56:08] Speaker 2: from you and you're the personality, that's this, that's like
[56:12] Speaker 2: full blown. I feel like I'm okay saying it a dick. Like,
[56:16] Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a, I don't know if that's
[56:18] Speaker 2: going to age well. So I, and again, taking the
[56:20] Speaker 2: captain ship, it's just like all the signs are there.
[56:22] Speaker 2: It's like, just, just going to fall off soon. Yeah, everybody's.
[56:26] Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel will be doing a great job running somebody's
[56:29] Speaker 1: offense for a very handsome check. Right? Like, don't you
[56:32] Speaker 1: worry about him. He'll be just fine. He's trying to
[56:34] Speaker 1: get Chip Kelly money.
[56:36] Speaker 3: Yep.
[56:36] Speaker 1: And Tua will be playing for his job under one
[56:40] Speaker 1: more coach.
[56:41] Speaker 2: Yep.
[56:42] Speaker 1: You know? And they're going to have to start that
[56:44] Speaker 1: whole thing over.
[56:48] Speaker 2: Man, it just ended up such a fizzle. Like, you know, like.
[56:52] Speaker 2: Usually you have that bad loss that's kind of like,
[56:54] Speaker 2: all right, that was the last rod. It was just
[56:56] Speaker 2: like that Chiefs wildcard game where they didn't even try,
[56:59] Speaker 2: where everybody was just cold. That's how you're going to
[57:03] Speaker 2: end it, but it actually kind of feels kind of fitting.
[57:06] Speaker 2: They just kind of literally got slowed down in the cold.
[57:10] Speaker 1: Had a spark when you started, but now you're just garbage.
[57:14] Speaker 1: Now you, Nate Tice, you're pretty dope. Check him out
[57:17] Speaker 1: at Yahoo Sports covering the NFL. My man, I appreciate you.
[57:21] Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Always fun.
[57:22] Speaker 1: All right. Thank you, man. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks
[57:24] Speaker 1: so much for having us. Thanks so much for joining
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