# Victor Wembanyama Has the Knicks SHOOK + Brendan Sorsby’s NCAA Gambling Case | 06.09

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 9 Jun 2026, 47 min.

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Bomani Jones reacts to Victor Wembanyama and the Spurs flipping the NBA Finals with a physical Game 3 win over the Knicks, including why New York looked rattled, why Jalen Brunson got baited into ISO ball, and why Wemby set the tone in a hostile environment. Later, Bomani breaks down Brendan Sorsby’s NCAA gambling case, the temporary injunction that let him play this season, and why the bigger story is about zero-tolerance policies, addiction, and the NCAA’s athlete-first standard. Plus, Bomani gets to a few voicemails and stories on Ray Allen, Scott Skiles, and White Keisha. Apple: Stay closer to the game. Download the Apple Sports app for free in the app store. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apple-sports/id6446788829 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:26] Speaker 2: machining on this Tuesday. We had two things happen that
[0:29] Speaker 2: was so cracking that, you know, We're doing an extra.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Show for y'all. You're welcome. You feel me?
[0:36] Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll get to.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Brandon or Brendan, right? I done already forgot. Sorsby.
[0:43] Speaker 3: Let's confirm on the Brandon-Brendan situation. You know? It's Brendan. Yes. Brendan.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Could have gone either way. You know what I mean?
[0:54] Speaker 1: We're going to holler at him in just a little bit, though. First,
[0:57] Speaker 1: game two. Of the NBA final game three rather of
[1:00] Speaker 1: the NBA finals.
[1:01] Speaker 4: Okay.
[1:04] Speaker 2: It was crazy over there. Ryan, you didn't have any
[1:07] Speaker 2: reason to be over near that part of town today.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Did you? Oh, no chance.
[1:12] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:13] Speaker 2: I was really famous on the streets of New York yesterday.
[1:16] Speaker 2: And here's what I mean by that. I had to
[1:18] Speaker 2: go down off of 34th street on the West side
[1:22] Speaker 2: in order to pick up some electronic equipment.
[1:24] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:24] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:25] Speaker 1: And so I go down there.
[1:27] Speaker 2: I always say that I am never more famous than
[1:31] Speaker 2: I am at specifically a basketball arena.
[1:34] Speaker 1: But generally speaking, a sporting event. That is my crew.
[1:38] Speaker 1: That is my room.
[1:39] Speaker 2: The whole goddamn city is an arena at this point. OK,
[1:44] Speaker 2: later in the day, I was down like.
[1:48] Speaker 1: Not even off Union Square.
[1:49] Speaker 2: I want to say I got off the train at
[1:50] Speaker 2: Spring Street or something like that.
[1:52] Speaker 1: Man, I got people stopping me. Like, can't even get
[1:55] Speaker 1: out the train station.
[1:56] Speaker 3: That's wild.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Type of situation, right? Because it's Nixon 4, right?
[1:58] Speaker 6: I'm like.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Don't do this to yourself. But anyway, right, you just
[2:03] Speaker 1: don't understand it.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Now, around Madison Square Garden, dude, it was all blue
[2:07] Speaker 2: and whites and all black unmarked.
[2:09] Speaker 1: Just going, roo, roo, roo, going around the block.
[2:11] Speaker 2: This was at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Like, I
[2:14] Speaker 2: can't imagine what a hassle it was. They said they
[2:16] Speaker 2: cleared that bitch out at 4 o'clock or whatever. I
[2:18] Speaker 2: guess I got out of there in time.
[2:19] Speaker 1: Like, everywhere.
[2:20] Speaker 3: You just missed it before the line started forming. Yes.
[2:24] Speaker 1: Everywhere the game was going on.
[2:27] Speaker 2: Didn't matter what, wear old Knicks stuff, new Knicks stuff,
[2:31] Speaker 2: whatever Knicks stuff. I saw somebody wearing an Atlantic Division
[2:35] Speaker 2: champion t-shirt. They still print those? What are you talking about?
[2:41] Speaker 2: It was everywhere that this was going on. And then
[2:43] Speaker 2: game three gets started. It's so loud in there. Obviously,
[2:47] Speaker 2: I was not at the game, right? And to explain
[2:49] Speaker 2: to people.
[2:50] Speaker 1: Who were like, First of all, you saw them prices.
[2:53] Speaker 2: The prices came down, but the truth is that was
[2:55] Speaker 2: for people who love the Knicks, not just people who
[2:57] Speaker 2: want to go to the game.
[2:59] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[2:59] Speaker 2: It's the same thing I say about them Jay-Z concerts.
[3:01] Speaker 2: Those are not for people who just want to go
[3:03] Speaker 2: to a concert. It's for people who love Jay-Z. Let
[3:05] Speaker 2: them have the seats. Let them have the time, whatever
[3:08] Speaker 2: it is. Man, it's so loud. Ryan, I ain't never
[3:11] Speaker 2: heard nobody get booed during the goddamn national anthem, man.
[3:13] Speaker 2: They put that man on camera during the national anthem,
[3:16] Speaker 2: and he did the thing where, like, he sir-yes-sirs it
[3:19] Speaker 2: during the national anthem.
[3:20] Speaker 3: He sir-yes-sirs, but you can see the smirk when he
[3:22] Speaker 3: gets booed, too.
[3:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't he ever notice that nobody else is
[3:26] Speaker 2: doing that thing except for him?
[3:28] Speaker 3: Oh, no, never notices.
[3:29] Speaker 1: That doesn't give him any measure of Paul's Right? Nobody
[3:33] Speaker 1: be like, hey, man, you can just put your head.
[3:34] Speaker 3: Nah, nah, nah.
[3:35] Speaker 1: I'm a soldier. Right? You know, he just go ahead.
[3:38] Speaker 1: He do it like that. I mean, technically, he's commander
[3:40] Speaker 1: in chief.
[3:40] Speaker 3: I do not associate Donald Trump with measure of pause.
[3:44] Speaker 3: Just as a general, as a general warning assertion.
[3:48] Speaker 1: There's something to that.
[3:49] Speaker 2: They put him on that camera and them boos was like,
[3:53] Speaker 2: they was just waiting.
[3:54] Speaker 1: When they going to do it? When they going to
[3:56] Speaker 1: do it? And they left the camera on him.
[3:58] Speaker 5: Right?
[3:59] Speaker 2: Like I saw somebody put something on Twitter about the
[4:00] Speaker 2: boos was so loud.
[4:02] Speaker 1: That's why they took the camera off. No, no, no, no, no.
[4:05] Speaker 1: They let it rock. And when he got the booze,
[4:08] Speaker 1: you are right.
[4:09] Speaker 2: He had a little bit of a smirk, but that still,
[4:13] Speaker 2: that don't feel good, right? But anyway, we dealt with that.
[4:16] Speaker 2: Got Donald Trump on the screen. They did it during
[4:18] Speaker 2: the national anthem. They booed his ass into the ground.
[4:20] Speaker 2: Gang is going, San Antonio goes hard off the top, right?
[4:24] Speaker 1: And what happens?
[4:25] Speaker 2: It seems my criticism at the end of game two
[4:28] Speaker 2: was why would you run a pick and pop instead
[4:30] Speaker 2: of a pick and roll? Every time that he sets
[4:32] Speaker 2: a screen, Victor being he, You got to roll hard. Now,
[4:36] Speaker 2: the argument that people have made to me that they
[4:38] Speaker 2: say the Spurs make about this is that they're trying
[4:41] Speaker 2: to preserve him. They're constantly keeping him in the paint
[4:44] Speaker 2: requires him to expend a lot more energy.
[4:46] Speaker 1: And I think that's true.
[4:48] Speaker 2: And I think that that's borne out by if you
[4:50] Speaker 2: look at the stats, I want to say last year
[4:52] Speaker 2: he shot eight point eight three pointers a game.
[4:54] Speaker 1: And that went down to five this year, which implies
[4:57] Speaker 1: to me.
[4:58] Speaker 2: As he gets stronger, he will go inside more. It's
[5:02] Speaker 2: not terribly different than Kevin Durant played two guard as
[5:06] Speaker 2: a rookie for the Sonics because he just didn't have
[5:08] Speaker 2: it physically to even play small forward.
[5:11] Speaker 1: And we're not talking about small forward is what we
[5:14] Speaker 1: want from Victor. We want Victor to go inside.
[5:16] Speaker 2: But no, they ran that play that all of us
[5:19] Speaker 2: would run if it was a video game. Send that
[5:22] Speaker 2: eight foot tall dude near the bucket and then throw
[5:25] Speaker 2: it up and just see if he can go get it.
[5:27] Speaker 2: Sometimes he was dunking it. Sometimes he was just pity
[5:30] Speaker 2: patting that bitch off the glass. Sometimes whatever it was,
[5:32] Speaker 2: but it was like, oh, we got three dunks early.
[5:34] Speaker 2: Now to me, him getting a bunch of dunks early
[5:36] Speaker 2: isn't like Charles Barkley getting a bunch of dunks early. Right.
[5:40] Speaker 2: But it did establish not hanging out outside like that anymore.
[5:47] Speaker 2: That was probably the greatest failing they had. We saw
[5:49] Speaker 2: them do more to get in the paint in game
[5:51] Speaker 2: two in the second half when Victor was actually excellent
[5:54] Speaker 2: in spite of everything coming apart at the end of
[5:55] Speaker 2: the game. But anyway, they established that early, but it
[5:58] Speaker 2: went like every game had gone in.
[6:00] Speaker 1: This series, right? Like Spurs go hard early.
[6:03] Speaker 2: And then the Knicks, when they took that lead back
[6:05] Speaker 2: at the end of the second quarter, it was like that,
[6:09] Speaker 2: which is typically a sign of which team is the
[6:11] Speaker 2: better team. The one that could just be like, all right, dawg,
[6:15] Speaker 2: let's go do this right.
[6:15] Speaker 1: 12.
[6:16] Speaker 3: Oh, run in two minutes.
[6:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, outside of like the 12, Oh,
[6:20] Speaker 2: I forget what the run was.
[6:21] Speaker 1: The Knicks outscored about 18 points in that quarter.
[6:24] Speaker 2: Like it was a pretty thorough domination and one that
[6:28] Speaker 2: gave the feeling that this was about to be a wrap,
[6:32] Speaker 2: but a couple of things are happening in the first
[6:35] Speaker 2: half that I feel like bore out the way this
[6:38] Speaker 2: went in the second half. One thing that happened that
[6:41] Speaker 2: I think, well, I guess it's kind of, Two of
[6:43] Speaker 2: them are together. But anyway, I'm going to say all
[6:44] Speaker 2: the things, right? Victor throwing Jalen Brunson on the ground
[6:50] Speaker 2: and then laughing at him after the fact.
[6:53] Speaker 1: That was hilarious. I don't care what anybody says. That
[6:57] Speaker 1: was hilarious. And I love the.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Fact that he does it, right? Like, you got to remember, man,
[7:03] Speaker 2: at some point in his life, it was a long
[7:05] Speaker 2: time ago before he got really good at this basketball
[7:08] Speaker 2: thing like that. Victor was just a big old gangly,
[7:11] Speaker 2: goofy kid that was probably getting picked on until he'd
[7:14] Speaker 2: had enough And then all of a sudden, he had
[7:17] Speaker 2: to establish the perimeter.
[7:18] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[7:19] Speaker 2: Just start wildly swinging, and your mama come have a
[7:22] Speaker 2: conversation with you about it or anything else, right? But,
[7:25] Speaker 2: you know, he has certainly been picked on. And what
[7:28] Speaker 2: seems clear is that when Victor feels as though he
[7:30] Speaker 2: has been picked on too much, he lashes out.
[7:33] Speaker 3: The height difference between Victor and Jalen Brunson is the
[7:38] Speaker 3: same as someone like Jalen Brunson and someone who's like 4'9, 4'10.
[7:42] Speaker 1: That is correct. Just to get a.
[7:45] Speaker 3: A reference for the scale we're dealing with here.
[7:47] Speaker 1: Yes. So think about this though.
[7:49] Speaker 2: He'd had enough of Nas Reed and he lashed out
[7:52] Speaker 2: and elbowed him in the mouth. Every time they get
[7:54] Speaker 2: near Victor, the Knicks do somebody puts two hands on him.
[7:57] Speaker 1: Like this is an old school physical.
[7:59] Speaker 2: The only thing that's missing by and large is the
[8:02] Speaker 2: old school hard fouls, but they are allowing a level
[8:05] Speaker 2: of contact, especially off the ball. That is from a
[8:08] Speaker 2: previous era of basketball, but the, Jalen.
[8:12] Speaker 1: Brunson got up on Victor like that.
[8:14] Speaker 2: Victor wrapped his arms around him and threw him down,
[8:18] Speaker 2: stood over him, went back to what he was doing.
[8:23] Speaker 2: And then when Jalen Brunson got up, he didn't even
[8:25] Speaker 2: come try to push him around or anything, right? He
[8:27] Speaker 2: just got up and started pointing up like he had
[8:30] Speaker 2: some sort of issue. It looked like when Chris Paul
[8:32] Speaker 2: was fussing at DeAndre Jordan that time, right? And he's
[8:35] Speaker 2: pushing up and Victor laughs at him as he goes
[8:38] Speaker 2: and goes and plays defense over there. Meanwhile, at the
[8:42] Speaker 2: exact same time, it was Carl that Kelton Johnson was guarding, right?
[8:48] Speaker 1: And muscling him up at the same time. Okay? Why
[8:54] Speaker 1: that is important to me.
[8:58] Speaker 2: The Spurs have decided that they're going to get physical
[9:01] Speaker 2: with the Knicks. And something has led them to believe
[9:04] Speaker 2: that the Knicks ain't built for it. Because the Knicks
[9:06] Speaker 2: have those guys that are bigger, but they've not necessarily
[9:09] Speaker 2: played with an aggressive physicality, I guess is.
[9:13] Speaker 1: The way to put it.
[9:14] Speaker 2: What I feel like I have seen as a result
[9:18] Speaker 2: of that, the physicality against Towns seemed to make him shrink.
[9:27] Speaker 1: He only had, what, 11 points in that game, I
[9:29] Speaker 1: want to say?
[9:29] Speaker 3: Something like that.
[9:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[9:31] Speaker 2: And they were touching him up whenever they could. And
[9:34] Speaker 2: you could see how frustrated he was in the first
[9:36] Speaker 2: half over it.
[9:37] Speaker 1: He got a bucket on.
[9:38] Speaker 2: They doing a lot of screaming on Luke Cornett, which
[9:40] Speaker 2: is like, guys, guys, come on.
[9:44] Speaker 1: Remember Josh Hart got.
[9:45] Speaker 2: Josh Hart seemed to get mad at Luke Cornett for
[9:46] Speaker 2: no reason to try to get up.
[9:48] Speaker 1: And start pushing him.
[9:48] Speaker 3: Right.
[9:50] Speaker 2: You're playing yourselves by doing that one right there. Like,
[9:52] Speaker 2: just just, just guys, guys, guys, guys, it's Luke Cornette, right?
[9:55] Speaker 2: Like that's not, you're not, you're not, you're not setting
[9:58] Speaker 2: the tone when you do this, right? But Towns seemed
[10:01] Speaker 2: to shrink a bit at the physicality. Also Towns went
[10:03] Speaker 2: back to committing some not too wise fouls. But Brunson,
[10:08] Speaker 2: Brunson is not shrinking in the face of the physicality.
[10:12] Speaker 2: Brunson is behaving like short people behave in moments like those.
[10:19] Speaker 1: I ain't no punk, man.
[10:21] Speaker 2: And they are doing, or the Knicks seem from here,
[10:26] Speaker 2: you can tell me if I'm wrong, but the Knicks
[10:28] Speaker 2: seem to have done what I thought the Spurs should
[10:33] Speaker 2: try to goad them into doing, which is turn this
[10:39] Speaker 2: into Iso Brunson. Get it to a place where that
[10:43] Speaker 2: guy slows down the offense because he got to show
[10:47] Speaker 2: them Who's boss?
[10:48] Speaker 1: And watch him dribble the air out the ball.
[10:50] Speaker 2: I was watching TV this morning before we got in here,
[10:53] Speaker 2: and they showed a possession where that dude dribbled the
[10:56] Speaker 2: ball for 21 seconds of the shot clock. And when
[11:02] Speaker 2: he does it, in part because Brunson doesn't have a
[11:04] Speaker 2: wiggly game, he's not getting it done quick, right? Like
[11:08] Speaker 2: he's doing all the jabs, he's doing all the... And
[11:12] Speaker 2: that's and you see it on his face.
[11:14] Speaker 1: Right. They have got him super frustrated.
[11:17] Speaker 2: Like Mike Brown needs to have one of them film
[11:19] Speaker 2: sessions that makes everybody feel a little uncomfortable. But it
[11:23] Speaker 2: involves specifically pointing your finger at number 11 and saying,
[11:29] Speaker 2: I don't care how many points you had. You are
[11:32] Speaker 2: here messing it up for everybody when you do it
[11:34] Speaker 2: like that.
[11:36] Speaker 1: And the truth is, that's what happened.
[11:37] Speaker 2: I don't think there's any other way around that. The
[11:41] Speaker 2: other part was, and I get why they feel this way,
[11:43] Speaker 2: they decided their brand of physical ball got everybody into
[11:47] Speaker 2: foul trouble. I'll also note this. I don't know how
[11:50] Speaker 2: big a deal this is, but I don't think it's
[11:52] Speaker 2: a small one. One thing that I had noticed in
[11:55] Speaker 2: that crazy month they had was, again, Landry Schammett was
[11:58] Speaker 2: playing like number 44. At last game, he went back
[12:02] Speaker 2: to playing like Landry Schammett. You know, like those little
[12:07] Speaker 2: things were happening at the margins with guys like that.
[12:10] Speaker 2: And Deuce McBride seemed to be hitting every shot that
[12:12] Speaker 2: they had this time.
[12:14] Speaker 1: They got it out of Jordan Clarkson.
[12:15] Speaker 2: And one day we will talk about how Jordan Clarkson
[12:20] Speaker 2: came into the NBA at age 22, looking completely different
[12:24] Speaker 2: than he does at this age today. right now like
[12:28] Speaker 2: in a way normally people start with this youthful stuff
[12:32] Speaker 2: and then mature into something a little bit more chilled
[12:34] Speaker 2: out hell no he went completely in the opposite direction
[12:38] Speaker 2: like Jordan Clarkson if you look at the picture of
[12:40] Speaker 2: Jordan Clarkson when he first got to the league versus
[12:42] Speaker 2: now you know what he looked like Jordan Clarkson looked
[12:44] Speaker 2: like he got five years Because he is going to school,
[12:47] Speaker 2: doing the training, prayers and vitamins and everything else. And
[12:50] Speaker 2: his cousin was like, yo, give me a ride to
[12:51] Speaker 2: the store right fast. He's like, sure, that's my cousin.
[12:54] Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, his cousin came out
[12:55] Speaker 1: the store was like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
[12:58] Speaker 1: And then they got caught. And he was like, your honor,
[12:59] Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. I didn't mean I did what
[13:01] Speaker 1: it was.
[13:02] Speaker 5: Right.
[13:03] Speaker 1: And he was just in that motherfucker, man. Then he
[13:04] Speaker 1: came out and he did what he did, what he
[13:06] Speaker 1: had to do to survive.
[13:07] Speaker 2: You know, just what it was.
[13:10] Speaker 1: But now that that's what it seemed like to me.
[13:13] Speaker 2: Is that the Knicks responded to the physicality at the
[13:17] Speaker 2: top in the two worst ways that they possibly could have, right?
[13:24] Speaker 2: On the other side, what you'd hope your superstar player
[13:28] Speaker 2: to do, he did.
[13:30] Speaker 1: Showed up, right?
[13:32] Speaker 2: Stephon Castle, who, by the way, that's going to be
[13:36] Speaker 2: a stressful ride. for Spurs fans. This is what it's
[13:40] Speaker 2: going to be. This is a tough one because he
[13:42] Speaker 2: got one.
[13:42] Speaker 1: Problem, man.
[13:43] Speaker 2: He ain't good at dribbling and he has a dribble-dependent game.
[13:48] Speaker 3: Also, he is not scared to shoot and that is
[13:51] Speaker 3: not necessarily a compliment.
[13:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I tell you what else, he's also just
[13:55] Speaker 1: generally not scared.
[13:56] Speaker 3: Yes.
[13:57] Speaker 1: All right? Like, they was ready to tussle a bit, right?
[14:02] Speaker 2: But it's so funny, like, looking at the box score
[14:04] Speaker 2: and as he was making the buckets, Castle's end result
[14:08] Speaker 2: felt much better than it felt watching him play. It
[14:12] Speaker 2: did not feel like I was watching somebody play well.
[14:14] Speaker 2: Quite honestly, it looked like somebody who had fallen for
[14:17] Speaker 2: the same trick as Jalen Brunson. dylan harper went 5
[14:21] Speaker 2: for 18 and i did not feel nearly as uneasy
[14:24] Speaker 2: about what was going on when he had to ball
[14:26] Speaker 2: as i would have with castle.
[14:27] Speaker 3: Yeah the thing about castle is just he's very demonstrative
[14:30] Speaker 3: so everything he does you can just kind of it's
[14:32] Speaker 3: just very obvious and out there.
[14:35] Speaker 1: Well he also so he and harper both have the
[14:37] Speaker 1: same thing to me which.
[14:38] Speaker 2: Is sometimes like i said sometimes i'm slow sometimes i'm
[14:42] Speaker 2: fast you're not exactly sure which it's going to be
[14:44] Speaker 2: but they both have it where um My man said
[14:47] Speaker 2: that Castle ain't going to play very long because he
[14:49] Speaker 2: said his knees are going to go out because it's
[14:51] Speaker 2: a lot of sudden stops and then slow down and
[14:54] Speaker 2: go the other way or whatever it is. But hey,
[14:57] Speaker 2: when the buckets are falling, you got it.
[15:00] Speaker 1: They're falling.
[15:01] Speaker 2: But man, I don't know. If I were the Spurs,
[15:06] Speaker 2: I'd have been a little bit shook about how it went.
[15:08] Speaker 2: The thing for Victor is this, and I don't feel
[15:10] Speaker 2: like we've seen him really be like this yet in
[15:13] Speaker 2: the postseason.
[15:14] Speaker 1: He put up 32 points in that game. on 18 shots.
[15:18] Speaker 1: Now you have to do it again.
[15:20] Speaker 2: Right?
[15:20] Speaker 1: Like, I don't want to sound like Shaq. Well, Shaq,
[15:22] Speaker 1: what does he need to do? He needs to dominate.
[15:24] Speaker 1: He needs to put up 40 points or 25 rebounds. Well, shit.
[15:29] Speaker 1: When you put it.
[15:30] Speaker 2: Like that, Shaq, it all, it all seems so clear. But,
[15:34] Speaker 2: It's got to be that same thing again, though. There's
[15:38] Speaker 2: no room for days off anymore. It's about the focus.
[15:41] Speaker 2: I've talked about this with Last Dance with Jordan, and
[15:44] Speaker 2: I think it's the most telling. I think the most
[15:45] Speaker 2: important line in there is, I forget who it was
[15:49] Speaker 2: that was saying it, but they made the point that
[15:50] Speaker 2: what made Michael Jordan better than everybody else was his
[15:55] Speaker 2: ability to no matter what, to be absolutely present in
[15:59] Speaker 2: the moment that was before him. Nothing else mattered in
[16:03] Speaker 2: the world except what was going on right then and there.
[16:07] Speaker 2: And when you think about it, it explains what Jordan
[16:10] Speaker 2: was just about all the way through, right? Especially once
[16:13] Speaker 2: it hit that critical mass. But we have years in
[16:16] Speaker 2: series where we talked about, oh, Jordan didn't get it
[16:18] Speaker 2: done when he was younger or whatever, what happened in 95.
[16:21] Speaker 2: But we don't have a lot of, damn, Mike just
[16:23] Speaker 2: shit the bed, that game. Maybe you don't play well,
[16:27] Speaker 2: but it's never the, oh man, he just didn't have it, right?
[16:30] Speaker 2: Victor from here on out, if they're going to win,
[16:32] Speaker 2: you may not have to score 32 every time, but
[16:35] Speaker 2: you have to show up like you have the last,
[16:37] Speaker 2: the majority of the last six quarters. That's what your
[16:41] Speaker 2: team needs. Because otherwise, you're depending on 20-year-old Dylan.
[16:44] Speaker 1: Harper, 21-year-old O.C.
[16:44] Speaker 2: Stephon Castle, De'Aaron Fox, who to me, hey, man, you
[16:54] Speaker 2: got to be the old man. That's that's what you're
[16:56] Speaker 2: supposed to be, right? He's got to be that guy
[17:00] Speaker 2: at this point because, hey, man, he can get to
[17:03] Speaker 2: the bucket. He can get those shots, even though he
[17:05] Speaker 2: went four for 14. Like I said, I felt like
[17:07] Speaker 2: it was a better game than him going four for 14.
[17:10] Speaker 1: That's what it's got to be. But they just withstood
[17:13] Speaker 1: as hostile environment. as there would be, right?
[17:16] Speaker 2: I thought, and I think this bore out, that the
[17:18] Speaker 2: Knicks would have to worry about being a little shaky
[17:21] Speaker 2: early because it would be so much that was going on.
[17:24] Speaker 1: But the fact that the Spurs stood tall through that.
[17:27] Speaker 2: Weathered that storm on the comeback, and then in the
[17:29] Speaker 2: second half still got it done.
[17:30] Speaker 1: Hey, baby, we got a series.
[17:33] Speaker 2: And it is not a series where people like the
[17:35] Speaker 2: winner of game four is going to win this.
[17:36] Speaker 3: Maybe not.
[17:38] Speaker 1: I don't feel nearly that confident.
[17:39] Speaker 2: I don't feel like the Spurs are done just in case,
[17:41] Speaker 2: just because they go down 3-1. Like, I think we
[17:44] Speaker 2: have a series. But I'm going to tell you this.
[17:47] Speaker 2: When I speak for New York, I feel pretty confident.
[17:49] Speaker 2: When I say I speak for New York, I speak
[17:50] Speaker 2: for people in New York. Probably primarily people in New
[17:54] Speaker 2: York who are not from New York. But this is
[17:56] Speaker 2: about what's going on in the city, okay?
[17:58] Speaker 1: It was 2-0. Knicks.
[18:01] Speaker 2: The Knicks going down 2-1 made things interesting. If the
[18:07] Speaker 2: Knicks go down to 2-0, not going to lie, it's
[18:12] Speaker 2: going to be kind of hilarious.
[18:15] Speaker 1: But if the Knicks go down 2-3, it's going.
[18:19] Speaker 3: To be unsafe. I will not be leaving my house.
[18:22] Speaker 3: It's not going to be.
[18:23] Speaker 1: It's not going to be.
[18:24] Speaker 2: Because look, man, they're going to be asking.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Me for answers on the street. Well, buddy, what are
[18:31] Speaker 1: we going to do?
[18:33] Speaker 2: First of all, take your hand off my shoulder. Let's
[18:36] Speaker 2: start there. That's the first thing we're going to do
[18:41] Speaker 2: is give me three feet. That's where we go start.
[18:47] Speaker 2: I needed those three feet. I greatly appreciate you.
[18:50] Speaker 1: Man, I do not want this season to end, man.
[18:53] Speaker 2: I would love for this to go all the way
[18:55] Speaker 2: to seven because, man, not only has this been great.
[18:58] Speaker 2: Can you imagine if this series had ended in four?
[19:00] Speaker 2: What were we going to talk about until I went
[19:01] Speaker 2: on vacation?
[19:02] Speaker 1: I have no idea.
[19:04] Speaker 3: Me neither.
[19:10] Speaker 2: This is Brendan Sorsby's story that I had kind of
[19:12] Speaker 2: been paying attention to, but wasn't really paying attention to
[19:15] Speaker 2: until yesterday when apparently this became the end of college
[19:18] Speaker 2: sports forever. And so, Ryan, you correct me if I'm
[19:22] Speaker 2: wrong here. Sorsby started at Indiana. And in 2022, when
[19:28] Speaker 2: he was a backup or he was not playing, he
[19:32] Speaker 2: made a lot of bets on Indiana football.
[19:33] Speaker 1: I want to say 40 bets on Indiana football.
[19:35] Speaker 3: A lot of bets in general, but also a lot
[19:37] Speaker 3: of bets on Indiana football.
[19:38] Speaker 2: On Indiana football, the one that jumped out is that
[19:40] Speaker 2: in one game, he bet on the quarterback to go
[19:43] Speaker 2: under on yards, which is, that's an insider trading situation, right?
[19:48] Speaker 2: Which I don't, We'll get to more of it, but
[19:53] Speaker 2: that doesn't offend me on the integrity of the game meter,
[19:57] Speaker 2: quite to say.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Like, you're taking your own under. Hey, that's a little
[20:01] Speaker 1: bit different.
[20:02] Speaker 3: The Terry Rozier, as it's often referred to.
[20:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jate Porter, right? Like, those are a little
[20:07] Speaker 2: bit different.
[20:08] Speaker 1: But anyway....
[20:11] Speaker 2: The kid had a gambling issue. And I can say
[20:13] Speaker 2: kid because at the time he was 18 when this happened.
[20:15] Speaker 2: But he had a gambling issue. I think he bet
[20:16] Speaker 2: something like $ 90, 000, which is kind of crazy, sign of
[20:19] Speaker 2: the times situation or whatever it is. He wound up
[20:22] Speaker 2: transferring to Cincinnati. And I guess it's at Cincinnati that
[20:25] Speaker 2: he came forward. At whatever point it was, he has
[20:29] Speaker 2: gone into treatment for his gambling addiction. He has the
[20:32] Speaker 2: Gamblers Anonymous meetings, all of these things. But there was
[20:35] Speaker 2: an acknowledgement that there is a problem and that he
[20:37] Speaker 2: has been working on that problem. The other thing that's
[20:40] Speaker 2: important to note is that he has NFL potential and
[20:43] Speaker 2: was probably the most talented quarterback that was in the
[20:46] Speaker 2: transfer portal this year. And he went to Texas Tech,
[20:48] Speaker 2: where Texas Tech got a booster named Cody Campbell, who's
[20:51] Speaker 2: got a billion dollars, who's made himself a significant power
[20:54] Speaker 2: player in college football. Basically, they're the new SMU. And
[20:59] Speaker 2: I don't mean that in the sense that they're cheating.
[21:01] Speaker 2: But what I mean that is in the sense is
[21:02] Speaker 2: that in Texas, you take the football thing really, really seriously.
[21:06] Speaker 2: And they're all these Texas, unlike the other states, has
[21:09] Speaker 2: all these other smaller but still big schools that play
[21:13] Speaker 2: at this level of football. Right. It's like six, seven, eight,
[21:16] Speaker 2: you know, like high level FBS schools in Texas.
[21:21] Speaker 3: There's a lot of them.
[21:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[21:23] Speaker 2: But what always happens is there's some cadre of rich
[21:26] Speaker 2: people who decides, why can't we? They all want to
[21:28] Speaker 2: be as good as Texas, basically. And so somebody puts
[21:31] Speaker 2: their money where their mouth is, and they decide they're
[21:33] Speaker 2: going to be as good as Texas. And Texas Tech
[21:35] Speaker 2: is the latest one, and they can get top-notch players
[21:39] Speaker 2: in there.
[21:40] Speaker 1: And anyway, Cody Campbell.
[21:41] Speaker 3: Get these people to go to Wubbock.
[21:44] Speaker 1: Couldn't be me.
[21:45] Speaker 2: Cody Campbell is not going to let a little gambling
[21:49] Speaker 2: situation stop him from getting a really good quarterback.
[21:53] Speaker 1: And so he is there.
[21:55] Speaker 2: Because of the gambling and the likes, the NCAA gave
[21:59] Speaker 2: him a.
[21:59] Speaker 1: Permanent ban, right?
[22:01] Speaker 3: Yes, I believe he was permanently banned.
[22:04] Speaker 1: Okay. He hired Jeffrey Kessler. And if you know anything
[22:08] Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Kessler, look him up.
[22:09] Speaker 2: That is a high-powered attorney, a guy that represents the
[22:13] Speaker 2: NFL Players Association, for example.
[22:16] Speaker 1: You can go through and get his list of clients, man.
[22:17] Speaker 1: It's pretty staggering.
[22:19] Speaker 2: Anyway, They got a temporary injunction to allow.
[22:25] Speaker 1: Soresby to play this season.
[22:30] Speaker 2: And that hit college football media like a ton of bricks.
[22:34] Speaker 2: And the message that they received from this was that
[22:38] Speaker 2: if a player is caught gambling, oh well, what's the
[22:45] Speaker 2: big deal? Now, I have had a lot of thoughts
[22:55] Speaker 2: about this that are kind of sort of.
[22:58] Speaker 1: For me to a degree, all over the place, but
[22:59] Speaker 1: I feel like they all.
[23:00] Speaker 2: Really come back to, like, I don't know if it's
[23:03] Speaker 2: the same place, but kind of staying in the same key,
[23:06] Speaker 2: I guess is.
[23:07] Speaker 1: The way that I would wind up putting this.
[23:11] Speaker 2: I think what frustrated me in watching the response from
[23:14] Speaker 2: my colleagues is how many of them just immediately landed at,
[23:20] Speaker 2: If you are caught gambling on your own team, you
[23:24] Speaker 2: should be banned from playing.
[23:27] Speaker 1: Hard stop, right?
[23:28] Speaker 2: Because the question I kept asking as I watched all
[23:32] Speaker 2: the responses pour in was, hey, has anybody read the decision? Right?
[23:38] Speaker 1: Was the ruling just?
[23:41] Speaker 2: And please understand, the real reason this injunction matters is
[23:47] Speaker 2: because of how long it takes.
[23:49] Speaker 1: To resolve such a thing.
[23:50] Speaker 2: Which is to say, an injunction doesn't necessarily mean that
[23:56] Speaker 2: Sorsby has won the whole damn thing. What the injunction
[24:00] Speaker 2: meant and what the judge said was that there is
[24:04] Speaker 2: a probability that Sorsby would win if we took this
[24:09] Speaker 2: to court. And since that's the case, he will suffer
[24:13] Speaker 2: permanent injury if you don't let him.
[24:16] Speaker 1: Participate this year.
[24:17] Speaker 2: Now, the judge centered his participation largely around having access
[24:22] Speaker 2: to the team and the community and all the things
[24:25] Speaker 2: around the team because he's a gambling addict. Then the
[24:31] Speaker 2: next part of it is like draft prep and obviously
[24:34] Speaker 2: the money that he would not receive.
[24:36] Speaker 1: But the point is he could never get those things back.
[24:39] Speaker 2: Therefore, the injunction is in place because it would be
[24:41] Speaker 2: too much to take those things away from him given
[24:44] Speaker 2: that there is a probability that he would win the
[24:47] Speaker 2: case on.
[24:48] Speaker 3: The back end.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Okay.
[24:52] Speaker 2: I found A, the fact that they thought he might
[24:54] Speaker 2: win on the back end to be interesting. But number two,
[25:00] Speaker 2: I ask this question, and I don't know if anybody
[25:03] Speaker 2: else is asking this question, but I think.
[25:05] Speaker 1: This is important.
[25:09] Speaker 2: Is a zero tolerance policy for a player that, as
[25:14] Speaker 2: I read this, the NCAA does not deem to be
[25:17] Speaker 2: an integrity risk. They do not believe that he behaved
[25:20] Speaker 2: in any way intended to truly influence the outcome of games.
[25:29] Speaker 2: Do we really want to have a zero tolerance policy
[25:32] Speaker 2: with the 18-year-olds, given the landscape that we have now,
[25:39] Speaker 2: how susceptible these people are going to be to falling
[25:42] Speaker 2: into this same trap, and given that you need to
[25:48] Speaker 2: be able to create a world that encourages the young
[25:51] Speaker 2: men who have problems to go get help? Enacting a
[25:57] Speaker 2: zero tolerance policy makes it much more difficult for those
[26:02] Speaker 2: guys to go get help or make the decision to
[26:05] Speaker 2: go get help.
[26:05] Speaker 1: And I'll have you know, just as a parallel example to.
[26:09] Speaker 2: This, I have talked to people and specifically women who
[26:14] Speaker 2: work around matters of domestic violence.
[26:17] Speaker 1: Take a case like Ray Rice.
[26:19] Speaker 2: And what those people have made the point of is
[26:22] Speaker 2: that if you enact a zero tolerance policy, You create
[26:27] Speaker 2: a world where it is actually, in many cases, more
[26:30] Speaker 2: dangerous to the women because the stakes are so high
[26:34] Speaker 2: and they are often still married to or with these
[26:36] Speaker 2: men and wish to still be with these men. And
[26:38] Speaker 2: so the idea that in order for them to get relief,
[26:41] Speaker 2: they have to create a world where it makes it
[26:43] Speaker 2: impossible for down the line for that man to work,
[26:48] Speaker 2: which also could potentially make that man even madder and
[26:50] Speaker 2: more likely.
[26:51] Speaker 1: To kill you.
[26:52] Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself whether the idea of zero
[26:56] Speaker 2: tolerance is more important than what zero tolerance means in application.
[27:04] Speaker 2: And I am not sure that the zero tolerance as
[27:07] Speaker 2: described works in application. Now, the argument that's made, and
[27:14] Speaker 2: I think is an understandable one, is once people don't
[27:17] Speaker 2: believe in the truth of what it is that they
[27:20] Speaker 2: are seeing, then the integrity of the game falls apart
[27:23] Speaker 2: and basically his entire foundation goes away.
[27:27] Speaker 1: Obviously, I agree with that.
[27:29] Speaker 2: We talked about this when the gambling stuff happened with
[27:30] Speaker 2: the NBA, with Chauncey Billups and all those guys.
[27:33] Speaker 1: That's the point that I made.
[27:34] Speaker 2: And I believe that there is absolutely something to that.
[27:39] Speaker 2: I get where it is that you're coming from. But
[27:41] Speaker 2: I think you got to go think about this to
[27:43] Speaker 2: a second level. And I think the second level is
[27:45] Speaker 2: very important. And a big part of why the second
[27:47] Speaker 2: level is important in this case is is because we're
[27:50] Speaker 2: dealing with young people. Which also leads to another interesting
[27:56] Speaker 2: part of this decision, Ryan, which is part of what
[27:59] Speaker 2: the judge had to say about this was that given
[28:02] Speaker 2: the inundation of gambling and the relationship that the NCAA
[28:05] Speaker 2: member schools have with gambling, it feels a touch disingenuous
[28:09] Speaker 2: for them to kick somebody out permanently because they got
[28:12] Speaker 2: into the same business that you got into.
[28:14] Speaker 3: Right.
[28:16] Speaker 2: I think.
[28:19] Speaker 3: It is very interesting how universal the condemnation of this was.
[28:25] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[28:25] Speaker 3: For, I think people are just like trained to treat
[28:29] Speaker 3: everything like, like everyone who does this is Pete Rose.
[28:34] Speaker 6: Yes.
[28:34] Speaker 3: And I think that is, I think that's a comparison
[28:38] Speaker 3: that's apples and bowling balls for a lot of reasons.
[28:40] Speaker 2: But also the only reason that Pete Rose wound up
[28:43] Speaker 2: with the real lifetime suspension situation that he had was.
[28:47] Speaker 1: Because he kept lying.
[28:48] Speaker 3: Right.
[28:49] Speaker 1: If he had stopped.
[28:50] Speaker 2: Lying, they'd have probably let his ass back after a year.
[28:53] Speaker 2: But he lied about it for 15 years. That was
[28:57] Speaker 2: what ultimately doomed him, right?
[29:00] Speaker 1: That isn't what happened here.
[29:03] Speaker 2: It's just not the case in this situation is what
[29:06] Speaker 2: went down. So I'm not saying that the idea of
[29:09] Speaker 2: zero tolerance, I don't understand it. But I am saying
[29:13] Speaker 2: everybody immediately coming down in the fashion that they did
[29:16] Speaker 2: to me implied that people did not really give this
[29:18] Speaker 2: that much thought and it became an outrage contest.
[29:21] Speaker 1: Very, very quickly. And then you go ask all these
[29:23] Speaker 1: coaches what they think about it.
[29:24] Speaker 2: And now all these schools are saying, oh, well, how
[29:27] Speaker 2: about we'll just boycott and we just we're just not
[29:29] Speaker 2: going to play against Texas Tech anymore.
[29:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. How about that?
[29:33] Speaker 2: Which is not going to happen in application because it's
[29:36] Speaker 2: way too much money on the line. And it's these
[29:38] Speaker 2: are they stopped doing them television bowl bans a long
[29:41] Speaker 2: time ago.
[29:41] Speaker 3: Right once you start once you start saying we're not
[29:44] Speaker 3: going to play this opponent you're essentially ripping up your
[29:46] Speaker 3: tv contract yes and no one's giving up all that.
[29:50] Speaker 2: Money let me tell you who really can't afford to
[29:52] Speaker 2: do nothing like that the big 12 okay Those things
[29:58] Speaker 2: are not likely to happen.
[30:00] Speaker 1: But there are other things because.
[30:02] Speaker 2: I did a lot of I did a lot of
[30:04] Speaker 2: talking with lawyers this morning as we got in to
[30:09] Speaker 2: talk about, you know, as I prepare to get in
[30:12] Speaker 2: and talk about doing this.
[30:15] Speaker 1: Tom Mars, who I.
[30:16] Speaker 2: Did not talk to about this, but I did talk
[30:18] Speaker 2: to Tom Mars for the article I did in Vanity
[30:20] Speaker 2: Fair about Trinidad Chambliss, he represented him. In that case,
[30:23] Speaker 2: Tom was one of the people who was most vociferous
[30:26] Speaker 2: in his opposition to this decision.
[30:28] Speaker 3: Right.
[30:28] Speaker 1: And there are a couple of reasons that I think
[30:30] Speaker 1: he was vociferous in this.
[30:32] Speaker 2: Number one is the fear that this sort of decision
[30:36] Speaker 2: that makes people feel like the sky is falling.
[30:38] Speaker 1: Because that's the thing people are like, oh my God, well,
[30:40] Speaker 1: if the NCAA can't do this, what is it good for?
[30:43] Speaker 2: What I've been asking you for the last 25 years
[30:46] Speaker 2: is exactly that question. Yes, the whiz is Richard Pryor, motherfucker.
[30:50] Speaker 2: We've been talking about this forever. Now you see it.
[30:53] Speaker 3: Got it.
[30:54] Speaker 1: Okay.
[30:55] Speaker 2: Anyway, but Maher's concern is that this is drastic enough
[30:58] Speaker 2: and shocking enough that it might make Congress get involved
[31:01] Speaker 2: and pass this new bill. Because you'll notice the coordinated
[31:05] Speaker 2: responses from people in college sports all were, this is ridiculous,
[31:08] Speaker 2: and this is why we need Congress. They all said
[31:11] Speaker 2: the same thing. Don't you think for a second that
[31:14] Speaker 2: the NCAA itself hates this decision? Because all they've done
[31:18] Speaker 2: is look for somebody else to solve their problems for them.
[31:21] Speaker 2: And they feel like now maybe this is enough to
[31:23] Speaker 2: get the fire department to show up.
[31:26] Speaker 6: Right?
[31:27] Speaker 1: Maybe now, you know what it is before?
[31:29] Speaker 2: They was just treating it like somebody car got stole, right?
[31:31] Speaker 2: They don't investigate that.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Now they're like, somebody broke in my house.
[31:36] Speaker 3: Oh shit, man.
[31:37] Speaker 2: I guess we got to look into that. Come dust
[31:38] Speaker 2: for fingerprints or whatever it is. But that's one thing.
[31:41] Speaker 2: Number two though, is that Mars has this really inventive
[31:45] Speaker 2: defense and he used this or theory rather, and he
[31:47] Speaker 2: used this in the Chambliss case and it was effectively
[31:50] Speaker 2: used also in this case. There are some state federal
[31:52] Speaker 2: stuff that I think is a little too complex for
[31:54] Speaker 2: me to get into right now. But this part I
[31:56] Speaker 2: think is important. And when I talked to Mars about this,
[31:58] Speaker 2: I could hear his smile as he explained how this works.
[32:02] Speaker 2: And the long of the short is the NCAA's mission
[32:04] Speaker 2: statement implies, or not implies, it clearly states that it
[32:07] Speaker 2: exists for the improvement of the well-being of student athletes. Well,
[32:12] Speaker 2: I don't even like that term, but you know, that's
[32:14] Speaker 2: the one they came up with. That's the one they use.
[32:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're there to serve the athletes. That's what it's for, okay?
[32:20] Speaker 2: Therefore, every decision they make needs to be made with
[32:24] Speaker 2: that athlete in mind. And at every point, they need
[32:27] Speaker 2: to be able to show how their decision helps the athlete.
[32:33] Speaker 1: In this case, the idea that you're.
[32:35] Speaker 2: Removing Sorsby from the community and environment that helps him
[32:39] Speaker 2: with his treatment, that is not an athlete-first decision.
[32:44] Speaker 1: Therefore, the NCAA cannot justify that decision.
[32:48] Speaker 2: Right? It's an extension of what Mars is talking about.
[32:51] Speaker 2: I bring that up to say, Mars is like, hey, man,
[32:55] Speaker 2: y'all messing up my good.
[32:56] Speaker 1: Thing, dog. That ain't going to blame this.
[32:59] Speaker 6: Shit on me.
[33:01] Speaker 1: That's how it felt. Right?
[33:04] Speaker 2: There was a tinge of that in the Mars response.
[33:09] Speaker 2: That was the part that I did pick up on,
[33:12] Speaker 2: was just kind of feeling like, ooh, I didn't mean
[33:17] Speaker 2: it that way. Now, of course, this is also an issue.
[33:21] Speaker 2: Because this approach can be used in a lot of
[33:25] Speaker 2: cases for a lot of people.
[33:27] Speaker 1: Like this is this is this is tough for the NCAA.
[33:29] Speaker 2: Which pretty consistently gets his ass handed to it in court.
[33:32] Speaker 2: I want to push back on one last thing. And
[33:34] Speaker 2: that is the idea that this was judicial home cooking.
[33:38] Speaker 2: Number one, the judge, there was a judge who was
[33:41] Speaker 2: a Texas Tech grad who was originally on this case
[33:43] Speaker 2: and he recused himself.
[33:45] Speaker 1: For that very reason. And they went and got another guy.
[33:47] Speaker 1: He's retired.
[33:48] Speaker 2: He worked in Tarrant County, which is in Fort Worth.
[33:50] Speaker 2: Like he not he'll go to this school. And he's
[33:53] Speaker 2: the one who came to this conclusion. The argument that
[33:56] Speaker 2: just about everybody makes is what happens is all these
[33:59] Speaker 2: guys come in and they go get a judge to
[34:01] Speaker 2: give them some home cooking. Now, when I started that
[34:03] Speaker 2: Vanity Fair piece, I started with that premise because I
[34:06] Speaker 2: was saying a thing that would really doom the NCAA
[34:09] Speaker 2: is what these people are doing is they're going to
[34:10] Speaker 2: put these putting their paperwork in in these courthouses that
[34:13] Speaker 2: in the same place as the schools. And so they
[34:15] Speaker 2: are probably getting a kinder audience when they do that.
[34:19] Speaker 1: So I asked Mars about that.
[34:21] Speaker 2: And Mars was like, nah, here's the thing.
[34:25] Speaker 1: The NCAA, he went through a long thing about it.
[34:28] Speaker 1: I can't remember. I have it written down. I have
[34:30] Speaker 1: notes here about it.
[34:30] Speaker 2: But the longer the short was, in the end, you
[34:35] Speaker 2: can only really file these lawsuits in two places. In
[34:41] Speaker 2: the local market or environment. Or in Indiana, where the
[34:46] Speaker 2: NCAA is headquartered. So I can only do it home
[34:52] Speaker 2: or do it there. Why would I do it there, right?
[34:55] Speaker 2: Where the NCAA is the one that's more likely to
[34:57] Speaker 2: get the home cooking, right? This is how it works.
[35:00] Speaker 2: You either got to file it where you are or there.
[35:02] Speaker 2: Number two, a point he made I thought was important,
[35:05] Speaker 2: which is people, these schools lose cases at home all
[35:09] Speaker 2: the time. Outside of college sports, what this is is
[35:13] Speaker 2: operating under the assumption that judges are incapable of being
[35:17] Speaker 2: impartial and that everybody cares so much about football or
[35:21] Speaker 2: basketball or whatever it is that the judge is just
[35:23] Speaker 2: going to be in line with what happens there. Mars
[35:26] Speaker 2: ran through a list of cases. This one, that guy lost.
[35:29] Speaker 2: This one, that guy lost. This one, I didn't take
[35:31] Speaker 2: that case because I knew he was going to lose.
[35:33] Speaker 2: So forth and so on. You see what I'm saying?
[35:36] Speaker 2: We went straight to this place of cynicism. that I
[35:40] Speaker 2: just don't feel like anybody stopped and realized that there
[35:43] Speaker 2: are fundamental questions to be asked, partially about the NCAA,
[35:47] Speaker 2: partially about how should we treat people at this age
[35:51] Speaker 2: of their lives, right?
[35:52] Speaker 1: Should we create a world where it gets all over for.
[35:56] Speaker 2: Them based on bad decisions that are very easy to
[35:59] Speaker 2: make and that people are halfway kind of nudged toward
[36:02] Speaker 2: based on the new world order?
[36:03] Speaker 1: That's all of those things.
[36:04] Speaker 2: Instead, My colleagues roundly just decided to flip out and
[36:10] Speaker 2: say the sky is falling when everybody had the option
[36:14] Speaker 2: of stopping, calming down, breathing, and asking some second-level questions.
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[39:00] Speaker 3: All right, Bo, we got a couple of voicemails we
[39:03] Speaker 3: wanted to get to, couldn't get to on Monday. Here's
[39:06] Speaker 3: our first.
[39:07] Speaker 6: Hey, Bomani. It's Donnie from DuPage County. Been a fan
[39:12] Speaker 6: since Game Theory on HBO. So I thought I had
[39:17] Speaker 6: a pretty good question for you. And it's, what is
[39:21] Speaker 6: the largest crowd pop you've ever been a part of?
[39:25] Speaker 6: Mine was when my dad took me to a Bears
[39:28] Speaker 6: game at Soldier Field. And we had Devin Hester. And
[39:33] Speaker 6: it was Adrian Peterson's rookie year. And he ran all
[39:36] Speaker 6: over us. But Devin Hester broke free for a punt,
[39:42] Speaker 6: returned for a touchdown. And hearing the crowd go crazy
[39:46] Speaker 6: for that was... the largest. So that's my question for you. Thanks,
[39:50] Speaker 6: you and Ryan, for everything you do. Bye-bye.
[39:57] Speaker 2: I feel like people who have known me and heard
[40:00] Speaker 2: me for a while are probably a little tired of
[40:02] Speaker 2: hearing me say this one, but Ray Allen hit that shot, dog.
[40:06] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[40:11] Speaker 2: Ray Allen hit that shot. That was, oh, and it
[40:15] Speaker 2: was chaos. I told you, my whole thing was chaos.
[40:17] Speaker 2: I had gone from the top to get to the floor,
[40:19] Speaker 2: and then I couldn't go in the tunnel, and I
[40:20] Speaker 2: had to kneel down on the baseline and everything else,
[40:22] Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, except, oh, no, there might
[40:24] Speaker 2: have been one thing with a louder pop than that one,
[40:27] Speaker 2: and that's any time that boy Birdman would block a shot.
[40:32] Speaker 1: White people love Birdman, dog.
[40:35] Speaker 3: Speaking of.
[40:38] Speaker 4: Hey, Bull, how you doing tonight? Hey, this is Leonard
[40:41] Speaker 4: of Nashville. And I was calling. But first of all,
[40:45] Speaker 4: I appreciate your show. The reason I was calling was
[40:48] Speaker 4: because that's your twice as good list. I think, man,
[40:53] Speaker 4: you got to make sure we ask Scott Skiles and
[40:55] Speaker 4: then this. The dude had to work extra hard, man,
[40:58] Speaker 4: especially down in Orlando, man, to get those. That's all
[41:01] Speaker 4: the assist that he got down there. And he was
[41:05] Speaker 4: on a bad team, too, at that time. So I
[41:08] Speaker 4: think he needs to be the poster child for the
[41:13] Speaker 4: twice as good list. But anyway, as I say, Bo,
[41:19] Speaker 4: appreciate the show.
[41:20] Speaker 5: Enjoy what you do.
[41:23] Speaker 4: And keep doing your thing. And remember Raph Wiley.
[41:28] Speaker 2: Peace. Hey, man, we always here for a Ralph Wiley shout.
[41:32] Speaker 2: I appreciate you on that. I hate it when that happens.
[41:38] Speaker 2: What did he just say?
[41:39] Speaker 3: Oh, he's talking about Scott Skiles.
[41:41] Speaker 1: Let me tell you this.
[41:42] Speaker 2: First of all, I'm careful what I say about Scott Skiles.
[41:44] Speaker 2: I said something once about Scott Skiles on the radio,
[41:46] Speaker 2: and I got a phone call from Scott Skiles.
[41:48] Speaker 3: On the air?
[41:49] Speaker 1: And it was no on my phone.
[41:51] Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
[41:53] Speaker 1: Well, I understand where he was coming from.
[41:56] Speaker 6: All right.
[41:56] Speaker 2: You remember that Sports Illustrated? Well, you probably don't remember
[41:59] Speaker 2: it in real time. You probably read about the Sports
[42:00] Speaker 2: Illustrated article about all.
[42:02] Speaker 1: The deadbeat dads in the NBA.
[42:03] Speaker 2: I had to picture had to picture the little boy
[42:05] Speaker 2: with the basketball on the cover.
[42:07] Speaker 1: Like, where's my dad or something like that? And Scott Skiles.
[42:12] Speaker 2: Was prominently mentioned in that article, but apparently none of
[42:17] Speaker 2: it was true. But I didn't know that because of
[42:20] Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated.
[42:21] Speaker 6: Of course.
[42:22] Speaker 2: And so somebody told Scott Skiles about her.
[42:24] Speaker 1: Scott Skiles got a Google alert, man. Scott Skiles called
[42:26] Speaker 1: me hot.
[42:28] Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, man, I apologize to you, but
[42:31] Speaker 2: the same reason I got. You know what I'm saying?
[42:35] Speaker 2: It took a lot to talk Scott Skiles through that.
[42:39] Speaker 1: It really did.
[42:39] Speaker 2: I say all that to say that was why I
[42:42] Speaker 2: didn't put Scott Skiles on the list. Tell you this
[42:44] Speaker 2: about Scott Skiles, though, boy, he the one you don't
[42:46] Speaker 2: want no problems with.
[42:48] Speaker 1: Like, I think who it was.
[42:50] Speaker 2: What's my man's name? Used to cover Kentucky basketball. Then
[42:54] Speaker 2: he covered the Thunders. First name is Brett. I can't
[42:55] Speaker 2: remember his last name. But he talked about Scott Skiles
[42:57] Speaker 2: getting into a fight in a high school all-star game
[42:59] Speaker 2: in Indiana.
[43:00] Speaker 1: Like, when he was 17. That's awesome.
[43:04] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[43:05] Speaker 5: No, no, no.
[43:05] Speaker 1: Scott Skiles.
[43:06] Speaker 2: Scott Skiles, he's definitely working twice as hard. And I
[43:09] Speaker 2: just don't want him, like, bringing that shit over here again.
[43:12] Speaker 3: The twice as hard might be its own episode.
[43:15] Speaker 1: Trust me, don't you worry. It'll... I spy a recurring bit.
[43:20] Speaker 3: And speaking of, let's end on this.
[43:23] Speaker 5: Hey, Bomani. It was the summer of 2003. Your boy, Aaron,
[43:31] Speaker 5: here in Kansas City at the time, was a sophomore
[43:35] Speaker 5: in high school. And my mom signed me up for
[43:40] Speaker 5: this summer program at the University.
[43:42] Speaker 6: Of of Missouri Rolla, one of those nerdy.
[43:45] Speaker 5: Engineering schools, and I was doing an engineering program, some
[43:49] Speaker 5: kind of summer transportation institute thing. Anyway, to prepare you
[43:54] Speaker 5: to go in the fields of engineering, met this white
[43:58] Speaker 5: girl named Keisha. Changed my life, issue your boy into puberty.
[44:06] Speaker 5: I know I was only about, what, like 16 or so?
[44:13] Speaker 5: Changed my life forever. She was a white girl from Arkansas,
[44:16] Speaker 5: of all places.
[44:17] Speaker 3: All Kansas.
[44:19] Speaker 5: And, yeah, your boy was looking like Jesus Shuttlesworth, a.k.a.
[44:24] Speaker 5: Ray Allen in that scene. You know the one. Some
[44:27] Speaker 5: of y'all may know.
[44:28] Speaker 3: If you know, you know.
[44:30] Speaker 5: Smiling ear to ear.
[44:32] Speaker 3: And it was just her. It wasn't even two. It
[44:34] Speaker 3: was just her.
[44:35] Speaker 4: White Keisha.
[44:37] Speaker 3: And, yeah.
[44:38] Speaker 5: Oh, one more thing before I go.
[44:41] Speaker 3: We need to get past her.
[44:43] Speaker 5: Tony thompson to pray over the spurs instead of these.
[44:47] Speaker 6: Nuns because these nuns.
[44:49] Speaker 5: Ain't working or they can get whoopie goldberg and uh
[44:54] Speaker 5: sister act to pray over them anyway we'll see what
[44:58] Speaker 5: happens appreciate the show i'll let you later.
[45:03] Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie right taking a lot out of
[45:06] Speaker 2: the fact that not only does this man refer to
[45:08] Speaker 2: himself in the third person to people who have no
[45:10] Speaker 2: idea who he is, he.
[45:12] Speaker 1: Does it with a dramatic spelling.
[45:15] Speaker 6: Yes.
[45:16] Speaker 2: Which I take to say he's been telling this story
[45:20] Speaker 2: about white Keisha forever and ever.
[45:24] Speaker 3: It's clearly a seminal moment.
[45:26] Speaker 5: It is.
[45:30] Speaker 2: But I want to know what everybody involved in this
[45:32] Speaker 2: conversation looked like. That's what I'm curious about.
[45:42] Speaker 1: And so are the rest of you.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Because there's assumptions that a lot of black people make
[45:47] Speaker 2: about relationships of this dynamic in this sort of place.
[45:52] Speaker 2: And then I had the day where I realized white
[45:54] Speaker 2: people assume the exact same thing. Everybody want to know
[45:59] Speaker 2: what white Keisha look like. And very few people are
[46:04] Speaker 2: affording you the benefit of the doubt in this moment.
[46:09] Speaker 1: But hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining
[46:13] Speaker 1: us here on The Right Time.
[46:14] Speaker 2: We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumley, Handle
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