# Roy Wood gets real about fatherhood, comedy journey & cancel culture | 11.05

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 5 Nov 2025, 1 h 00 min.

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Roy Wood joins Bomani Jones to discuss his new book. "Man of Many Fathers". Roy kicks off the show by describing his ideal cohosts for his CNN show and explaining the motivations behind his new memoir. Roy describes the lessons he learned from his job, his father's own shortcomings, and the lessons he wants to pass down to his own son. He then details some of the mistakes he made in his youth and why they have turned him against the idea of cancel culture. 08:00 - Back in my goodness 16:30 - Pros and cons of a great work ethic 27:00 - The inspiration of avoiding prison 35:00 - The Dangers of Cancel Culture Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, a WAVE original.
[0:10] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater. It is the time of week where we
[0:23] Speaker 1: have a guest join us. And this time we had
[0:26] Speaker 1: to do some a different way.
[0:28] Speaker 2: He is the author of Man of Many Fathers.
[0:34] Speaker 1: Soon to be best-selling author, Roy Wood Jr.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Sir, what's going on?
[0:40] Speaker 3: Greetings, greetings. It's just a blessing to be in the
[0:43] Speaker 3: building in here with the Cash Money Millionaires. They ballin'
[0:46] Speaker 3: like I never seen. Ain't no toilet paper in the bathroom,
[0:49] Speaker 3: just some 10s and some 20s. That's such a Bun
[0:54] Speaker 3: B thing to say. It's an old Cash Money album,
[0:57] Speaker 3: and Bun B said that on like an outro. Yes.
[1:02] Speaker 3: Just a beautiful way to enter a track. Blessings, blessings.
[1:06] Speaker 3: Ready to be in the building.
[1:09] Speaker 1: Also, a man that you don't necessarily associate with jokes.
[1:13] Speaker 3: Very funny, though.
[1:14] Speaker 2: Yes, he is.
[1:16] Speaker 3: Yo, I have been pushing CNN to get Bun B
[1:21] Speaker 3: on Have I Got News For You. They are sleeping
[1:25] Speaker 3: on my man's political IQ, bro.
[1:27] Speaker 2: They totally are, but it's not going to be my spot,
[1:30] Speaker 2: is it?
[1:31] Speaker 3: No, we can have more than one black.
[1:33] Speaker 1: I know you have more than one black, but I
[1:35] Speaker 1: just know my spot might be tenuous. I mess around
[1:38] Speaker 1: with Busy when they call me this dude. And I
[1:41] Speaker 1: was like, hey, Lance, hit him up. Let him know
[1:44] Speaker 1: I free all these other weakies.
[1:46] Speaker 3: I love what you do on the show. I think
[1:49] Speaker 3: Bun B would be a great addition. I really think
[1:53] Speaker 3: there's a Cameron and Mace world. I don't think they
[1:57] Speaker 3: would do it. because it's mainstream media and they kind
[2:01] Speaker 3: of operate to the left, you know, the mainstream situation
[2:04] Speaker 3: by design. But I don't know. There's a lot of
[2:10] Speaker 3: interesting black folks that I want to get on that show, man.
[2:12] Speaker 3: Erykah Badu.
[2:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like, though, you put Erykah Badu or
[2:17] Speaker 1: Cam and Mase and it's not your show no more.
[2:20] Speaker 3: That's fine.
[2:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[2:22] Speaker 1: That's just the one thing about it is you have
[2:24] Speaker 1: just hired.
[2:25] Speaker 2: Two executive producers.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Ask Bill O'Reilly about what happens when you make that call.
[2:30] Speaker 3: Bro, Erykah Badu is one of the low-key, well, it's
[2:34] Speaker 3: out now, but she's hilarious. She's one of them people
[2:37] Speaker 3: that even for a long time, folks, she would call
[2:39] Speaker 3: Ricky Smiley's morning show just to roast Ricky. She wasn't
[2:42] Speaker 3: promoting nothing. No concert, no show. I just called to
[2:46] Speaker 3: tell Ricky his teeth crooked and I can hear crooked teeth.
[2:49] Speaker 3: She said something about, I can hear your breath on
[2:51] Speaker 3: the radio. How you hear bad breath? Like just, just funny.
[2:59] Speaker 3: Just a funny person.
[3:00] Speaker 1: She told that academics fella with the long setup that
[3:05] Speaker 1: you remind me of somebody. I just can't think of
[3:08] Speaker 1: who and let that sit for tens of minutes before
[3:12] Speaker 1: coming back around and looking at him and.
[3:13] Speaker 2: Saying, Jerry. Jerry the Mouse. That's who you remind me of.
[3:22] Speaker 2: Jerry the Mouse. What do I do at this point?
[3:29] Speaker 1: Accurate.
[3:30] Speaker 3: Accurate.
[3:32] Speaker 1: And I will also say this. Erykah Badu can sing
[3:37] Speaker 1: and Erykah Badu apparently can do the Badu. having jokes
[3:44] Speaker 1: on top of all that is just a little bit unfair.
[3:46] Speaker 2: Like, you are, that fact, you are actually now terrified.
[3:53] Speaker 3: You know, I've thought about that, though. When they start
[3:55] Speaker 3: making hip-hop movies about everything that's happened in this era
[3:58] Speaker 3: of hip-hop, which eventually they will, I think I got
[4:03] Speaker 3: a good chance to throw my name in the hat
[4:05] Speaker 3: to play DJ Academics. I think I could put it off.
[4:09] Speaker 3: I got a round enough face. I could throw in
[4:11] Speaker 3: a hoodie, sit in an off-angle streaming camera.
[4:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't you need to be like 15 years younger?
[4:17] Speaker 3: I don't know. First off, now see, now you being disrespectful.
[4:22] Speaker 2: No, he's not old, is he?
[4:24] Speaker 3: He's not 46. Academic's not 46, but he ain't 21.
[4:29] Speaker 3: I didn't say I play Kai Sinat. Jesus, but my.
[4:33] Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that as somebody who is the same
[4:35] Speaker 1: age as you and views himself as being.
[4:37] Speaker 2: Much older than academic.
[4:38] Speaker 3: You could youth me up. Put the Beijing on me
[4:42] Speaker 3: and boom, I'm academics.
[4:44] Speaker 2: Look here.
[4:45] Speaker 3: I could be 31.
[4:47] Speaker 2: You know what? I have to apologize.
[4:49] Speaker 1: And the reason I have to apologize is you humbled
[4:51] Speaker 1: yourself so much already to be willing to play academics
[4:55] Speaker 1: that I did not need to also be like, you too.
[4:57] Speaker 3: Old for that shit.
[4:58] Speaker 2: You right. You right. I'm wrong in this situation.
[5:02] Speaker 3: Yo, why? I got to give a shout out to
[5:06] Speaker 3: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay over at Higher Learning, man.
[5:09] Speaker 3: Why they was asking me what civil rights character I
[5:13] Speaker 3: could play. And I couldn't think of it at the time.
[5:16] Speaker 3: And I said, Dr. King, of course, but the answer
[5:19] Speaker 3: is John Lewis.
[5:21] Speaker 2: You could do John Lewis.
[5:22] Speaker 1: You're a little tall to be both of them, either
[5:24] Speaker 1: of them, because they was both point guards, scat backs,
[5:29] Speaker 1: if you will.
[5:32] Speaker 3: You said Dr. King was Warwick Dunn?
[5:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of where I'm going.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Like, not trending holiday, right? Like, that's going a little
[5:42] Speaker 1: bit too far in that direction. But yeah, you know,
[5:46] Speaker 1: but he had a locker room presence.
[5:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's one of those things. First off, I'd
[5:53] Speaker 3: never play anything. I think I've been on TV too
[5:55] Speaker 3: much to where you know it's me. I can't disappear
[5:58] Speaker 3: into a room. Like, real actors go away for months
[6:01] Speaker 3: at a time, and you don't see them. And then
[6:04] Speaker 3: you see him bald and you'd be like, oh, he
[6:06] Speaker 3: must be getting ready to play a bald role. I'm
[6:10] Speaker 3: on TV too regularly. It just, I don't know. I
[6:13] Speaker 3: don't think I could disappear like that. Okay.
[6:16] Speaker 2: I can see that. Now, we'll talk about this book.
[6:18] Speaker 1: And for people, you know what it's about me. If
[6:20] Speaker 1: I come in here and I'm holding the book up,
[6:22] Speaker 1: it's because I actually did read it. I ran through it.
[6:25] Speaker 1: It is a good read. It is a quick read.
[6:27] Speaker 1: It is an enlightening read. It is called The Man Unleashed.
[6:30] Speaker 1: of many fathers. And I have watched many of these
[6:33] Speaker 1: interviews with you about this book and I found that
[6:35] Speaker 1: many people have gone in that direction, but I have
[6:38] Speaker 1: a spin or a thought on what this book is
[6:40] Speaker 1: in part. And I'm curious your thoughts before I get
[6:43] Speaker 1: to that question, I want to ask this. And if
[6:45] Speaker 1: you're not watching on YouTube, you're missing out. I sent
[6:47] Speaker 1: this question at your event in New York and you
[6:49] Speaker 1: did not answer it. Why are you looking at us
[6:51] Speaker 1: like this?
[6:52] Speaker 3: Okay. Man, I don't know how to take no picture
[6:57] Speaker 3: for no book.
[6:58] Speaker 1: Like, I'm just asking, like, what are we trying to
[7:01] Speaker 1: convey with this one right here?
[7:03] Speaker 3: Well, it's just, hmm, who am I? Do you know
[7:06] Speaker 3: who I am? Because every photo, that's a painting by
[7:10] Speaker 3: this wonderful black woman, Cashmere Thompson. Yes, I know Cashmere.
[7:13] Speaker 3: And so Cashmere, I'm like, read the book, and then
[7:17] Speaker 3: for each chapter, just do what you think the father
[7:20] Speaker 3: would look like. And then I'm going to collage with
[7:23] Speaker 3: some of the fathers. Is this me? Which one is me?
[7:27] Speaker 2: You do look like somebody daddy.
[7:29] Speaker 1: I do have to say that, that there is a
[7:31] Speaker 1: daddy-ish element to what's going on here to bring it
[7:33] Speaker 1: full circle.
[7:34] Speaker 3: The only thing I knew for sure I didn't want
[7:36] Speaker 3: was no sweaters. I don't want to be in no
[7:39] Speaker 3: sweater or no book cover doing anything. And then with
[7:44] Speaker 3: the fingertip hands, you do this and you're looking. I
[7:48] Speaker 3: don't want to do none of that. I don't want
[7:51] Speaker 3: to do none of that.
[7:53] Speaker 1: Every time this book had a lot of that I
[7:55] Speaker 1: love and what I found myself going back to was
[7:58] Speaker 1: a very healthy dose and healthy presentation of back into
[8:04] Speaker 1: my day goodness. Like I was struck in going back
[8:09] Speaker 1: through this story with you to being when you're very
[8:11] Speaker 1: small and going all the way up of the ways
[8:15] Speaker 1: that we lived and how different they are from the
[8:18] Speaker 1: life that your son will live. This book is kind
[8:19] Speaker 1: of a letter to your son about life you think
[8:22] Speaker 1: you tied a hossy coats in this motherfucker right and
[8:25] Speaker 1: so like when you get back to like the ways
[8:27] Speaker 1: that kids played in the streets and the things that
[8:29] Speaker 1: we did it was like oh yeah we used to
[8:31] Speaker 1: do that and one thing i thought that was interesting
[8:33] Speaker 1: is you made reference and used the term latchkey about
[8:36] Speaker 1: your upbringing and i look at it and i'm like
[8:38] Speaker 1: damn mine kind of was too and i thought that
[8:41] Speaker 1: was the coolest part of growing up like we we.
[8:43] Speaker 2: Was out here making moves making it.
[8:45] Speaker 3: Happen grown adult decisions. And it wasn't even until I
[8:49] Speaker 3: wrote the book and I really reflected on when I
[8:51] Speaker 3: went to Clarksdale every summer. My mama sent me to
[8:53] Speaker 3: Clarksdale for two months to be with my grandma and
[8:55] Speaker 3: my aunties. We never saw adults until late in the afternoon, bro.
[9:02] Speaker 3: Like just didn't see. My aunt Rose would make breakfast.
[9:06] Speaker 3: She would leave and go to work. My grandma at
[9:09] Speaker 3: the house, my grandma sleep most of the afternoon. We'd
[9:12] Speaker 3: come back in about one o'clock, get food, And then
[9:15] Speaker 3: be back out the door. And we would be outside. Like,
[9:18] Speaker 3: you'd see the postman at 2. And then the mosquito
[9:21] Speaker 3: truck would spin the block about 4, 430. And that
[9:25] Speaker 3: was it. Unless my Uncle Derek came by to make
[9:28] Speaker 3: a plate. And he was the dog catcher. And he
[9:31] Speaker 3: would bring a dog. And my uncle would have the
[9:33] Speaker 3: same dog in the truck all day to make it
[9:36] Speaker 3: look like he working. Then free the dog at the
[9:40] Speaker 3: end of his shift.
[9:41] Speaker 2: So he could go catch him again.
[9:43] Speaker 3: Catch him again tomorrow. Church's chicken wing and a honey biscuit.
[9:47] Speaker 3: That dog be right there waiting on it on time. Yo,
[9:51] Speaker 3: animals can tell time. They gotta feel it. Cause he
[9:54] Speaker 3: knew when my uncle was coming around that corner and
[9:56] Speaker 3: he'd happily get in that truck, fresh cold water. chicken
[10:00] Speaker 3: and a biscuit. Yeah, I'm riding with you all day,
[10:03] Speaker 3: big dog. It's you and me.
[10:05] Speaker 1: But I was just thinking, all the advice that you
[10:07] Speaker 1: give is so interesting because the time is such a
[10:10] Speaker 1: character in this book. And the setup of the book
[10:12] Speaker 1: is you talking about different men in your life that
[10:14] Speaker 1: you've met, right?
[10:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, and gained some wisdom. Yeah, it's like either... By
[10:20] Speaker 3: learning from what you did or what you did not do.
[10:24] Speaker 1: Right.
[10:25] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[10:26] Speaker 2: This was a concept, man.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Like I thought the idea of how to do that,
[10:29] Speaker 1: of course, like starting with your mother and then working
[10:32] Speaker 1: all the way around is it really is so much
[10:35] Speaker 1: game that you pick up in this world off these
[10:37] Speaker 1: small moments with people that don't necessarily realize that they
[10:41] Speaker 1: really did it. And a big part of it, and
[10:42] Speaker 1: I want to talk about this kind of first is
[10:44] Speaker 1: overarching thing is I think about is the importance where
[10:48] Speaker 1: I think you and I grew up with similar parents, though,
[10:51] Speaker 1: in a different class dynamic, right? Like, I never had
[10:53] Speaker 1: to go get money to pay no bills, which is
[10:55] Speaker 1: something that you talk about here. However, being the child
[10:58] Speaker 1: of learned parents comes with a certain exposure that you
[11:01] Speaker 1: wind up having and an expectation of what life is
[11:04] Speaker 1: going to be that is largely due to that. And
[11:07] Speaker 1: where you really start learning about the world is if
[11:10] Speaker 1: you can get you a job as a teenager... It
[11:12] Speaker 1: is your first foray into actual factual adulthood because you're
[11:16] Speaker 1: not a teenager when you're on the clock. You were
[11:18] Speaker 1: there and like now you are a child among men,
[11:21] Speaker 1: but we're all men. Yeah.
[11:23] Speaker 3: And I'm going to talk to you like a man.
[11:24] Speaker 3: I'm going to treat you like a man. Sometimes I'm
[11:26] Speaker 3: going to slap you across the face like a man.
[11:29] Speaker 3: And that's just what it's going to be. And you go, oh, wow,
[11:32] Speaker 3: this is nothing like dealing with my scout master or
[11:35] Speaker 3: the youth pastors or All these, the camp council, all
[11:38] Speaker 3: these people who's supposed to legitimately care about my upbringing
[11:41] Speaker 3: and matriculation into the world. No, your coworker don't care.
[11:45] Speaker 3: Your coworker don't care in the least, bro. I used
[11:47] Speaker 3: to work with Cats at Subway. They come to work crying.
[11:53] Speaker 3: And I'm 16, and I know I'm supposed to ask you, well,
[11:56] Speaker 3: what's wrong? Hey, man, it's a line out the door, dog.
[12:02] Speaker 3: I work the subway by UAB Hospital. Do you understand
[12:05] Speaker 3: the lunch rush at a hospital location of any food establishment?
[12:08] Speaker 2: A sandwich shop in particular because everybody likes sandwiches.
[12:12] Speaker 3: And they ordering for the whole floor. Every nurse got
[12:15] Speaker 3: eight sandwiches. You got the little sheet where everybody wrote down,
[12:18] Speaker 3: I want a six inch with bell peppers first, then
[12:21] Speaker 3: the mustard on top of the bell. And you in
[12:23] Speaker 3: the corner crying because your wife finna divorce you. I'm sorry,
[12:28] Speaker 3: but also I need you to come fix these sandwiches, bro.
[12:31] Speaker 3: But then that taught me the importance of choosing the
[12:34] Speaker 3: right person. Cause I can see how, especially in standup comedy, man,
[12:40] Speaker 3: I've seen how choosing the wrong partner can pollute so
[12:44] Speaker 3: many different layers of your existence, man. That is not
[12:49] Speaker 3: good at all. So it just became this path of,
[12:53] Speaker 3: all right, let me write about some of these folks.
[12:56] Speaker 3: And like, if I made the decisions, my son is
[12:59] Speaker 3: born and I make a decision, All right, if I
[13:02] Speaker 3: pass before he's old enough for us to have some
[13:04] Speaker 3: grown man conversations over cognac, let me write some things
[13:08] Speaker 3: down for him. And the more I started writing, I
[13:11] Speaker 3: was kind of looking at, well, why do I believe that? Why? Okay,
[13:17] Speaker 3: don't have a good partner.
[13:19] Speaker 1: Why?
[13:20] Speaker 3: Well, what were some examples of bad partners? Yo, remember
[13:23] Speaker 3: that time he was at that dude's house and his
[13:25] Speaker 3: wife cussed him out? And then y'all went to do
[13:29] Speaker 3: the gig and the gig canceled. And then he started
[13:32] Speaker 3: crying because he knew his wife was going to cuss
[13:33] Speaker 3: him out even more. Yeah, that's probably a good story
[13:37] Speaker 3: to tell. And so it just started becoming this long
[13:41] Speaker 3: word document. And the more I looked at it, bro,
[13:45] Speaker 3: the more I just felt like, all right, this is
[13:48] Speaker 3: a book. So let me just start putting this together
[13:51] Speaker 3: and then figuring out what to cut. That was the
[13:54] Speaker 3: biggest battle was how much of, my childhood, because I'm
[14:00] Speaker 3: my mama's only child. I'm the ninth of 11 kids
[14:04] Speaker 3: by my dad. So I ain't get a full 100%
[14:10] Speaker 3: present father. Pops was an OG and a veteran in
[14:13] Speaker 3: the journalism community. His contributions to Black America through the microphone, Wikipedia, that,
[14:21] Speaker 3: it's a journey. And there's plenty of paragraphs to read.
[14:23] Speaker 3: He earned every syllable of praise. But also, Sometimes you
[14:28] Speaker 3: ain't come home. So on the days you ain't come
[14:31] Speaker 3: home and if a bill needed to be paid and
[14:33] Speaker 3: the bill wasn't paid because you was the breadwinner with
[14:35] Speaker 3: an eye, well then I got to go out here
[14:36] Speaker 3: and work. I'm 13. I'm working 30 hours a week.
[14:41] Speaker 3: I'm raking leaves. I'm sweeping parking lots at convenience stores.
[14:44] Speaker 3: Like any hustle I can come up with in the
[14:47] Speaker 3: neighborhood that ain't dope, I'm on it. We washing cars.
[14:52] Speaker 3: Like I wish I'd have known about dog walking back then.
[14:55] Speaker 3: That ain't really something you see in the hood that
[14:57] Speaker 3: much anyway. Cause everybody got a yard and the dog just,
[15:01] Speaker 3: just shit in the yard. But I would have, man,
[15:03] Speaker 3: I would have done that. I would have washed animals, like,
[15:07] Speaker 3: like anything. And it's weird because like, like I want to,
[15:13] Speaker 3: you tell me if this is a good idea. Like
[15:14] Speaker 3: I really want to do a scholarship for C students.
[15:19] Speaker 3: And I don't know the best way to go about
[15:23] Speaker 3: setting that up because I was a C student in
[15:26] Speaker 3: high school. I had a two, two. Out of high school.
[15:29] Speaker 3: Matter of fact, at the second lowest GPA in my
[15:33] Speaker 3: high school, the dude below me had been expelled. So
[15:39] Speaker 3: you get pulled to the side by your principal when
[15:41] Speaker 3: you 16, 17, and you need to quit walking these
[15:46] Speaker 3: halls and blah, blah, blah. And I'd already peeped game.
[15:48] Speaker 3: I knew if I killed an ACT, none of this
[15:51] Speaker 3: shit y'all talking about in class day to day matters.
[15:54] Speaker 3: So I'm going to go get this 25 right quick
[15:56] Speaker 3: on this ACT. I know any black college would be
[15:59] Speaker 3: happy to have me with a 25. It'll offset the
[16:02] Speaker 3: GPA because you can't explain why are you a C student? Well,
[16:08] Speaker 3: because my parents be beefing sometimes and sometimes bills don't
[16:11] Speaker 3: get paid. So I work beyond the Alabama fucking child
[16:15] Speaker 3: labor law guidelines to make sure that there's heat in
[16:19] Speaker 3: the house. So yeah, I didn't do Ms. Shaw's American
[16:23] Speaker 3: History Project last night. My bad. So this idea of
[16:30] Speaker 3: work ethic, and everybody will say it like, when you grown, right?
[16:35] Speaker 3: People will go, oh, you got a work ethic, man.
[16:38] Speaker 3: You a hustler. You a grinder and always grind. But
[16:42] Speaker 3: when I really stopped to look and reflect on why,
[16:47] Speaker 3: is it work ethic or is it a trauma response?
[16:51] Speaker 3: So now, now that you've discovered that about yourself, is
[16:55] Speaker 3: work ethic something you really want to pass down to
[16:58] Speaker 3: your child? And if so, why and how? Because now
[17:02] Speaker 3: you have to teach work ethic without inducing trauma. And
[17:07] Speaker 3: that becomes the challenge as a parent is trying to
[17:10] Speaker 3: figure out how to give them the things that made
[17:13] Speaker 3: you you, that you benefit from, but that were triggered
[17:16] Speaker 3: by something negative. You understand? Like, how do you create
[17:19] Speaker 3: a positive impulse for a positive life trait? I don't know.
[17:27] Speaker 3: All I can do is write a book and go,
[17:28] Speaker 3: hey man, I worked real hard because there was a
[17:31] Speaker 3: time in my life where if I didn't work real hard,
[17:33] Speaker 3: might've been hungry, lights might've been off, sleeping fully clothed
[17:37] Speaker 3: in a cold ass house. So I just never wanted
[17:39] Speaker 3: that for myself. So I just always work hard because
[17:43] Speaker 3: I don't trust that anything is going to be... I
[17:47] Speaker 3: left The Daily Show. We talked about this before. I
[17:50] Speaker 3: was like, I don't trust this shit. Y'all got a
[17:53] Speaker 3: merger coming. You don't know who the host is going
[17:55] Speaker 3: to be. I know I'm not going to be the host,
[17:58] Speaker 3: so I don't know if the new host is going
[18:00] Speaker 3: to choose me. Man. I love y'all, but let me
[18:04] Speaker 3: go figure out something else. This is the time to
[18:07] Speaker 3: figure it out because there's an election coming. Oh, CNN?
[18:09] Speaker 3: Y'all want to do something? Perfect timing. It's always worked out, bro.
[18:16] Speaker 3: But I just think dissecting why there's certain pieces of
[18:25] Speaker 3: me are me. It's important for my son to understand why.
[18:29] Speaker 3: I don't want him to just grow up and go,
[18:31] Speaker 3: my dad was always a hard worker and he was
[18:33] Speaker 3: always going. That's why I'm a hard worker. Slow down.
[18:38] Speaker 3: Let's look at it.
[18:40] Speaker 1: I can give you some insight on that one because
[18:43] Speaker 1: What struck me as I was hearing you talk about
[18:45] Speaker 1: that was I remember getting my first like actual factual
[18:49] Speaker 1: job and I was just trying to stack a little
[18:52] Speaker 1: money to save up for the prom without having to
[18:54] Speaker 1: get that money from my parents because I hadn't understood it.
[18:57] Speaker 1: All the people I went to high school with had
[18:59] Speaker 1: jobs because that's what they had to do to get money.
[19:00] Speaker 2: Right.
[19:01] Speaker 1: And my parents wouldn't give me no money. So it's like, oh,
[19:03] Speaker 1: you go get a job. This is how it works.
[19:05] Speaker 1: But what I didn't fully appreciate until I started working
[19:08] Speaker 1: the job. They basically had hired me at this job
[19:11] Speaker 1: at Fuddruckers Busting Tables because they would try to run
[19:13] Speaker 1: this one woman off the job. She was not saving
[19:16] Speaker 1: for the prom. She had a 10-year-old. You understand what
[19:19] Speaker 1: I'm saying? And I went in there one week and
[19:21] Speaker 1: they gave me 35 hours. I had just started that job.
[19:24] Speaker 1: They gave me 35 hours. And she used to be
[19:27] Speaker 1: real sour to me. And I didn't really understand this
[19:30] Speaker 1: until it dawned on me. You are trying to use
[19:33] Speaker 1: me to fire this woman. At which point I fully realized, oh,
[19:39] Speaker 1: these are what the stakes are for people that are
[19:41] Speaker 1: out here having jobs. And then Had that day where
[19:45] Speaker 1: the line went out the door and they had sent
[19:47] Speaker 1: everybody home on the floor except for me.
[19:50] Speaker 2: And I almost died. I really almost died.
[19:53] Speaker 1: And that was the day that I realized, oh, the
[19:55] Speaker 1: work ethic was developed because I understood.
[19:58] Speaker 2: I now understood what the rules were. You know what
[20:00] Speaker 2: I mean?
[20:00] Speaker 1: Like, that's what I was thinking as I was reading
[20:01] Speaker 1: you talking about, like, having all these jobs and how
[20:04] Speaker 1: your perspective was very often different from the people who
[20:07] Speaker 1: work these jobs. But having those jobs, I took that
[20:10] Speaker 1: less as you having a trauma response than you were
[20:13] Speaker 1: informed by the people that you were around. This is
[20:16] Speaker 1: actually how the world works, no matter what you thought
[20:18] Speaker 1: before you got here.
[20:19] Speaker 2: These are the stakes.
[20:21] Speaker 3: Yeah. But then also working those jobs, it's like, OK,
[20:24] Speaker 3: I know that this is not what I want to
[20:26] Speaker 3: keep doing forever. By having that as an example, like
[20:30] Speaker 3: you work, man. So when I used to travel, so
[20:33] Speaker 3: did I ever tell you how I discovered day labor?
[20:39] Speaker 2: I think I read it in the book, but I
[20:40] Speaker 2: don't think you told me.
[20:41] Speaker 3: No, I don't think I told that part in the book.
[20:43] Speaker 3: I talked about working day labor in the book, but
[20:45] Speaker 3: the first time I ever worked day labor. All right.
[20:49] Speaker 3: So you're not even had a fundraisers for like the
[20:52] Speaker 3: candy and the Katie dids and the chocolate turtles and
[20:55] Speaker 3: all of that. So my high school ROTC unit, we
[20:59] Speaker 3: were selling the candies. And you sell candy for three
[21:02] Speaker 3: months and you collect money. And then after three months,
[21:05] Speaker 3: you turn all the money in. And then two months later,
[21:09] Speaker 3: the candy come and you give it out to everybody
[21:11] Speaker 3: to order the candy. Bro, folks, my mama's friends, they're
[21:16] Speaker 3: paying me. They give me like $ 20 here, $ 15 there.
[21:20] Speaker 3: I got like $ 300 in the house that's supposed to
[21:23] Speaker 3: be for the candy. Man, I wouldn't have spent that shit.
[21:27] Speaker 3: I don't even remember what I bought. I know I
[21:29] Speaker 3: went to Century Plaza Mall and I went to, there
[21:32] Speaker 3: was a store called Sports Fantasy. And you're not like
[21:35] Speaker 3: small cities, like smaller cities in the South. You only
[21:38] Speaker 3: had one store that had out of town sports memorabilia
[21:43] Speaker 3: in the 90s. Like you wasn't going to get a
[21:45] Speaker 3: Dolphins chalk line jacket anywhere but Sports Fantasy. And the
[21:50] Speaker 3: idea of ordering out a catalog, that was just too
[21:53] Speaker 3: much trouble. Man, I bought a Dolphins chalk line jacket
[21:57] Speaker 3: and the next day my sergeant moved up the deadline
[22:00] Speaker 3: to turn in the money by three weeks. You motherfucker.
[22:07] Speaker 3: And so I had to go and start working daily work,
[22:13] Speaker 3: daily paid jobs immediately after high school. As soon as
[22:17] Speaker 3: I leave work, so now I'm working night jobs. Any
[22:20] Speaker 3: job after dark, For day labor, you wish you was
[22:26] Speaker 3: working construction or cutting grass. You cleaning trash cans. You
[22:31] Speaker 3: spraying out trash trucks. You, the grease truck. Oh my God, bro.
[22:37] Speaker 3: So like, you know, every fast food spot got the,
[22:41] Speaker 3: there's a dumpster and then there's a grease. Like when
[22:45] Speaker 3: you take the deep fryer grease, that goes in a
[22:48] Speaker 3: separate thing, separate from the dumpster. clean all the concrete
[22:54] Speaker 3: around that real quick, big dog. And then I'm going
[22:56] Speaker 3: to need you to go inside and we're going to
[22:57] Speaker 3: do a deep clean on all these deep fries. And
[23:00] Speaker 3: it's a school night. I know you work until one
[23:02] Speaker 3: in the morning. It's cool. Your mama really don't, you know,
[23:06] Speaker 3: she know you out. You just say you working late
[23:08] Speaker 3: and you had a double shift. She don't like it,
[23:10] Speaker 3: but what's she going to do? You going to come
[23:13] Speaker 3: get me? You ain't going to come to the job
[23:14] Speaker 3: and get me. You got to get up for work.
[23:16] Speaker 3: So man, it was like, working those jobs, being around
[23:22] Speaker 3: those dudes, grown men in their 40s. And it's like,
[23:25] Speaker 3: for them, this is life. And it's an honest day's work.
[23:29] Speaker 3: But I know you did not choose dump grease trap
[23:34] Speaker 3: from back of Wendy's when you was 18, when they
[23:39] Speaker 3: made you write in your yearbook what you want to
[23:41] Speaker 3: be one day. So I just never wanted that for myself.
[23:46] Speaker 3: And being around those types of people, it was like these...
[23:50] Speaker 3: like reverse, reverse inspiration. Cause I'm just around somebody with
[23:56] Speaker 3: this is just sad. I don't want to keep doing this.
[23:59] Speaker 3: What do I need to do to not do to
[24:01] Speaker 3: get back in fam you and graduate that.
[24:04] Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I got lucky and I'm a
[24:08] Speaker 1: say this for the other side.
[24:10] Speaker 2: Um, I have a story.
[24:11] Speaker 1: My brother has that is right in line with what
[24:13] Speaker 1: you were talking about. We've mentioned that in just a moment.
[24:17] Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Roy Wood Jr., the
[24:19] Speaker 1: man of many fathers. That is the book. Go check
[24:23] Speaker 1: that out. And my brother tells this story.
[24:27] Speaker 2: I got lucky. I got an older brother. He's 13
[24:28] Speaker 2: years older than me. So he caught a lot of
[24:30] Speaker 2: L's that I did not have to catch.
[24:31] Speaker 3: Oh, that's nice. That's like having an assistant daddy.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Yes, that is exactly what it is, right? It is
[24:38] Speaker 1: somebody at the perfect midpoint who also, you know, was
[24:42] Speaker 1: learning some of these lessons the hard way, shall we say, right?
[24:46] Speaker 1: And so I remember he had graduated from college and
[24:50] Speaker 1: he had gotten some job. He didn't, that wasn't working
[24:52] Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And so he's at the crib. And,
[24:55] Speaker 1: you know, my mom was not feeling this at all.
[24:58] Speaker 2: Right. He's at the crib. So he got to do
[25:00] Speaker 2: something with himself.
[25:01] Speaker 1: And so he goes and he gets a job at
[25:04] Speaker 1: the Home Depot. And at that time, my brother was
[25:06] Speaker 1: a pretty big dude and he's young. So, you know,
[25:08] Speaker 1: what they given him, they given him the job that
[25:10] Speaker 1: you got to.
[25:10] Speaker 2: Put the back brace on.
[25:12] Speaker 3: Right.
[25:12] Speaker 2: To do those things.
[25:13] Speaker 1: But, you know, in the end, he is a college
[25:15] Speaker 1: graduate who is working at the Home Depot. And at
[25:20] Speaker 1: some point while he's working at the Home Depot, he
[25:22] Speaker 1: said one of the old heads came over. And this
[25:24] Speaker 1: is very similar to a story that Roy tells in
[25:26] Speaker 1: his book. So when the old heads come over and
[25:28] Speaker 1: it's like, hey, man, let me talk to you for
[25:30] Speaker 1: a second. It's like, look, man, I see you and
[25:35] Speaker 1: I can tell you smart. And the managers, they know
[25:40] Speaker 1: you smart, too. But let me tell you something. That attitude,
[25:45] Speaker 1: you keep acting like that.
[25:47] Speaker 2: And you ain't never going to make it to aisle manager.
[25:51] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[25:52] Speaker 2: And my brother had.
[25:55] Speaker 1: Never really set any goals for his path at the
[25:58] Speaker 1: Home Depot. And the idea that there was upward mobility
[26:02] Speaker 1: in this was a sign to him that it was
[26:05] Speaker 1: time to do something with his life.
[26:07] Speaker 3: I'm washing lettuce soon as fries. Then it's front counter.
[26:13] Speaker 3: That's when the big.
[26:14] Speaker 2: Bucks started rolling in. Just a couple years, huh?
[26:18] Speaker 3: Right?
[26:18] Speaker 1: There's something that happens in a moment and there's no
[26:21] Speaker 1: way to put it but where you realize this is
[26:24] Speaker 1: not my journey.
[26:25] Speaker 2: I am here right now, but there is a path that.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Goes with this that I am not going down. And
[26:32] Speaker 1: somebody will come to you and be like, hey, man,
[26:36] Speaker 1: you know, you're on the right track for really making
[26:38] Speaker 1: it in this place.
[26:39] Speaker 2: And it makes you go, oh, hey, buddy.
[26:42] Speaker 3: Yeah. But then I have people like that in my
[26:46] Speaker 3: life who said it to me like that. And then
[26:50] Speaker 3: people also in my life who showed it to me
[26:53] Speaker 3: by dying or going back to prison. You know, the
[26:58] Speaker 3: idea of being on the straight and narrow and being
[27:01] Speaker 3: around people who are on the straight and narrow and
[27:04] Speaker 3: then seeing people get knocked off, you know, I worked
[27:10] Speaker 3: at Golden Corral, and I talk about it a little
[27:12] Speaker 3: bit in the book about how, and this was something
[27:14] Speaker 3: that also wasn't until I sat down and really looked
[27:18] Speaker 3: at it, and I was like, damn, man. Golden Corral
[27:23] Speaker 3: was the first time I really felt like forgiveness was
[27:25] Speaker 3: possible after I got arrested. And not only that, I
[27:30] Speaker 3: learned that you have to forgive yourself when you've made
[27:34] Speaker 3: a mistake. Because society wants you to live in apology
[27:38] Speaker 3: and everybody sets a different bar for what they deem
[27:42] Speaker 3: is an acceptable amount of atonement for you to have
[27:45] Speaker 3: offered up. How much? A pound of flesh. Somebody want
[27:48] Speaker 3: a pound and a half. Then who are you? So
[27:52] Speaker 3: being around, you know, I go to Golden Corral after
[27:56] Speaker 3: I steal his credit card. I'm on probation. And Golden
[27:59] Speaker 3: Corral is my first job while I'm on probation. And
[28:03] Speaker 3: I think I'm going to get fired when my PO
[28:05] Speaker 3: finally has to come up and do the in-store visit
[28:08] Speaker 3: to verify that you work there. And I'm in that
[28:12] Speaker 3: bitch nervous because I lied on the application. I'm like,
[28:16] Speaker 3: Hey man, I have never been, I have never, I'm
[28:22] Speaker 3: a good server though, son. And I've been in there
[28:26] Speaker 3: four months, four or five months. And I'm killing it.
[28:30] Speaker 3: Everybody loves me. I'm cracking jokes on the floor. I'm helping.
[28:34] Speaker 3: I'm doing other people's side. I'm one of them servers
[28:36] Speaker 3: where I'll do your side work for you because you
[28:39] Speaker 3: got set late when you're supposed to be doing your side.
[28:42] Speaker 3: I'll clean your salt and pepper shake. Man, my PO
[28:45] Speaker 3: came in that thing, man, and I was so nervous
[28:48] Speaker 3: because you just feel like, all right, they gone. This
[28:54] Speaker 3: is the bull. Come to find out, that half the
[29:00] Speaker 3: store was on probation because Golden Corral had an owner
[29:06] Speaker 3: who believed in giving second chances to people with convictions.
[29:11] Speaker 3: Not only was I not in trouble, bro, my manager
[29:15] Speaker 3: was thrilled that I was on probation because it meant
[29:18] Speaker 3: they could get a back tax credit for the four
[29:21] Speaker 3: months I had already been working there. He was like, oh,
[29:25] Speaker 3: this is great. And I got enveloped in warmth by
[29:34] Speaker 3: all of these cats in the back who had also
[29:36] Speaker 3: made mistakes but were committed. to having a different outcome
[29:42] Speaker 3: in their life. And so they stayed on me. They
[29:44] Speaker 3: checked on me. And you think that you are surrounded
[29:51] Speaker 3: by people who are intent on doing better. But all
[29:55] Speaker 3: they said, all one of them said was, I'm never
[29:57] Speaker 3: going back to jail. And so when someone tells you
[30:00] Speaker 3: they're never going back to jail, the assumption is, I
[30:04] Speaker 3: intend to live a wholesome life. No. Died in a
[30:06] Speaker 3: shootout with the Tallahassee police. And that's something that was
[30:10] Speaker 3: just jarring at the time. Because it's like, oh, oh,
[30:18] Speaker 3: you weren't necessarily saying that on a positive. You were
[30:22] Speaker 3: saying you were so intent on living right. that if
[30:26] Speaker 3: it ever comes to you having to go back to prison,
[30:29] Speaker 3: you would choose death. And he slipped up, police came
[30:34] Speaker 3: to get him, and he left with a body bag.
[30:38] Speaker 3: And you think about people like that, and you go,
[30:44] Speaker 3: all right, well, whatever was in prison that he experienced
[30:49] Speaker 3: that made him choose a shootout over going back to that,
[30:55] Speaker 3: I don't ever want to learn what that is. So
[30:59] Speaker 3: let me go and get this degree right quick. Let
[31:03] Speaker 3: me go and get this degree. That lesson is as
[31:07] Speaker 3: impactful as any big brother, big sister or any one
[31:12] Speaker 3: of my mama's college friends who go, hey Roy, you
[31:16] Speaker 3: need to get your education. Yeah, because that's what happened
[31:21] Speaker 3: when I was on probation. My mama had all these
[31:24] Speaker 3: alphas and q-dogs coming by the house my mama had
[31:30] Speaker 3: all these you know them big muscular frat brothers you
[31:34] Speaker 3: know they show up in them in them tight t-shirts
[31:40] Speaker 3: look i love divine nine but all y'all t-shirts be
[31:43] Speaker 3: too tight hey roy what's going on brother Your mama
[31:50] Speaker 3: say you down there in Tallahassee messing up.
[31:52] Speaker 2: What's happening?
[31:55] Speaker 3: Need to get that education straight. So that helped. But
[32:02] Speaker 3: the lesson of my coworker who feared prison so much
[32:07] Speaker 3: in the institution of incarceration to the point of making
[32:11] Speaker 3: that choice of death, that's impactful. And I have to
[32:16] Speaker 3: acknowledge that. And that has to be documented. And that
[32:18] Speaker 3: has to be something that for my son to be
[32:21] Speaker 3: able to consume and see at some point. But you know,
[32:26] Speaker 3: that store, like Golden Corral is also like to a
[32:33] Speaker 3: large part, bro, this ain't in the book. I'm just
[32:36] Speaker 3: talking to you now. But like, that's why I don't
[32:39] Speaker 3: really like rock with cancel culture in a way that
[32:42] Speaker 3: I think a lot of other people do. Because I
[32:46] Speaker 3: spent a year with people just trying to cancel me. And,
[32:54] Speaker 3: you know, I made this mistake and I'm suspended from
[32:58] Speaker 3: school at this point. They wanted to expel me from FAMU,
[33:02] Speaker 3: but my pops used to teach there. My mama graduated there.
[33:06] Speaker 3: So it was enough people within the administration where, all right,
[33:10] Speaker 3: we're going to work some strings. Look, we got to
[33:12] Speaker 3: sit you down for a year. But when you come back,
[33:17] Speaker 3: We can get you back in the fold. And even
[33:18] Speaker 3: when I got back in school, I wasn't allowed to
[33:23] Speaker 3: do anything. Like I was on every form of, it's
[33:26] Speaker 3: not just academic probation. I forget what the other probation
[33:30] Speaker 3: is called in college, but it's the one where you
[33:32] Speaker 3: can't do shit. Like you just go to class. That's
[33:36] Speaker 3: all you can do. You can go to class. You
[33:39] Speaker 3: can go to the library. You can go to the bookstore.
[33:41] Speaker 3: That's it. You can't go to no games. You can't
[33:44] Speaker 3: go to no tailgate. You can't go to no party. Oh,
[33:47] Speaker 3: ESPN is on the set doing college game day, but
[33:50] Speaker 3: take your ass home. You can't pledge nothing. You can't
[33:53] Speaker 3: play intramural, nothing like straight up. Just, I had to
[33:57] Speaker 3: get an exemption to do, to write for the campus
[34:00] Speaker 3: paper when I got back in school, because that was
[34:03] Speaker 3: pertinent to my degree. But during that time, there was a, um,
[34:10] Speaker 3: there was a bomber, I can Google his name, I
[34:12] Speaker 3: think it was Lawrence Lombardi, but there was a bomber,
[34:17] Speaker 3: there was a terrorist leaving pipe bombs around the campus
[34:21] Speaker 3: of Florida A & M University. And this is like
[34:27] Speaker 3: peak black church bombings, late 90s, early 2000s, when that
[34:32] Speaker 3: type of intimidation, that type of terroristic intimidation was happening
[34:38] Speaker 3: to black folks. And they're trying to catch this bomber.
[34:42] Speaker 3: Like every, like once or twice a week, a pipe
[34:45] Speaker 3: bomb is blowing up on FAMU's campus somewhere in the bathroom.
[34:48] Speaker 3: Nobody's getting hurt, but you never know. The next one
[34:51] Speaker 3: might be the one. Bro, the FBI came to the
[34:56] Speaker 3: campus and started rounding up students out of the classrooms.
[35:05] Speaker 3: Straight come in the classroom. We're looking for Sergeant Roy
[35:09] Speaker 3: Wood Jr. coming out in the hall. And you're getting
[35:13] Speaker 3: questioned by the feds on whether or not you're a
[35:15] Speaker 3: terroristic threat to the university that you paying money to,
[35:19] Speaker 3: by the way, why would I bomb this shit and
[35:21] Speaker 3: still be in class? Like the idea of being suspected
[35:29] Speaker 3: for that because I'm on behavioral probation with the school
[35:36] Speaker 3: and then students in the hallway seeing who was questioned
[35:40] Speaker 3: And now you got people pulling your paperwork and sending
[35:43] Speaker 3: your paperwork on the low back to the campus paper,
[35:47] Speaker 3: back to the Tallahassee Democrat to try and get articles
[35:49] Speaker 3: written about you to get you expelled. Sending articles to
[35:53] Speaker 3: the professors who teach you, trying to get them to
[35:55] Speaker 3: give you an F. Sending articles to the deans of
[35:58] Speaker 3: your apartment, sending your arrest paperwork to the head of
[36:01] Speaker 3: your department to try and get you expelled. And then
[36:05] Speaker 3: you couple that with at the time, I had one
[36:08] Speaker 3: or two friends, but I was not cool no more.
[36:11] Speaker 3: I got arrested. I was the plug for two years.
[36:13] Speaker 3: I was the dude. Cheap food, cheap PlayStation games, cheap clothes,
[36:18] Speaker 3: whatever you needed, I got it. Anything but drugs, which
[36:23] Speaker 3: ironically is what I almost call my business.
[36:28] Speaker 2: Anything but dope.
[36:30] Speaker 3: Anything but drugs. And so you're socially ostracized. And even
[36:37] Speaker 3: if I wanted to hang on campus, I can't because
[36:40] Speaker 3: it's a literal violation of my re-enrollment. So you are
[36:44] Speaker 3: alone and you are on an island and you are
[36:47] Speaker 3: surrounded by people who want to do nothing but remind
[36:50] Speaker 3: you that you're the sum of your mistake. And that's
[36:54] Speaker 3: not the truth. So Golden Corral was the first spot
[37:00] Speaker 3: when I got back out into the world that embraced that,
[37:04] Speaker 3: that embraced me. It's like, yeah, you made a mistake.
[37:07] Speaker 3: So have we. And here's how we keep from making
[37:10] Speaker 3: mistakes again. And it gave me this sense of, well,
[37:15] Speaker 3: fuck y'all, to everybody else that was still judging me.
[37:19] Speaker 3: And I got to a place where you have this
[37:21] Speaker 3: realization that you don't need other people's permission to be
[37:24] Speaker 3: a better person. I don't need you to forgive me.
[37:27] Speaker 3: I've forgiven me. And I've set forth a path. And
[37:30] Speaker 3: you will look and observe as I walk this path.
[37:34] Speaker 3: And let that be the testament of whether or not
[37:36] Speaker 3: you think I'm a decent person now. But this idea
[37:39] Speaker 3: of doing any type of permanent song or dance in
[37:42] Speaker 3: the moment when people hate you, you're never going to
[37:46] Speaker 3: get them folks back on your side. But, you know,
[37:48] Speaker 3: it's love now. And I'm not trashing the university. I'm
[37:51] Speaker 3: just telling you what the state of affairs was with
[37:54] Speaker 3: particular people within the school. You know, the FBI is
[37:58] Speaker 3: the FBI. They just going to always harass. But The
[38:02] Speaker 3: idea of there being people who didn't want to forgive me,
[38:06] Speaker 3: you know, that hurt at the time. But what I
[38:07] Speaker 3: didn't realize is that I never needed their approval to
[38:11] Speaker 3: make better choices. I just started making better choices.
[38:14] Speaker 1: I will say this, and I've known you for about
[38:17] Speaker 1: 10 years now, and I knew about the story that
[38:19] Speaker 1: involved you getting arrested. I don't think I realized how
[38:21] Speaker 1: close you were to doing like actual factual time.
[38:24] Speaker 3: Five years. I was told five years. Expect to do
[38:29] Speaker 3: three year and a half good behavior. I go to
[38:31] Speaker 3: court that day. It was a different judge because the
[38:33] Speaker 3: other judge was out and I got probation. No clue why. No,
[38:40] Speaker 3: could not tell you anything. My lawyer was just as
[38:42] Speaker 3: shocked as me. My lawyer damn near mumbled under his breath, Mr. Wood,
[38:47] Speaker 3: we'll give you probation. You bullshit.
[38:52] Speaker 1: I mean, it also doesn't sound like something you should
[38:54] Speaker 1: get actual factual time for, but... It sounded like it
[38:59] Speaker 1: was actual, factual time.
[39:00] Speaker 3: You have to remember, though, this is a different Tallahassee
[39:03] Speaker 3: at this time. This is the 90s. At that time,
[39:08] Speaker 3: at that time, the murder rate, Tallahassee averaged less than
[39:11] Speaker 3: 10 murders a year, maybe five or six. I think
[39:15] Speaker 3: they're well over, they're in their 50s now. It's become
[39:17] Speaker 3: a lot worse. But at that time, anytime you catch
[39:22] Speaker 3: a young black teenager, I'm 19, oh, we got one.
[39:28] Speaker 3: And then honestly, like what CD murder say probation for
[39:31] Speaker 3: 10 years don't mean you free it's more people on
[39:34] Speaker 3: papers than in prison so honestly that is just a
[39:39] Speaker 3: setup to get you tripped up back into the because
[39:42] Speaker 3: now you have to keep a job well what if
[39:45] Speaker 3: your car break down and you in a city with
[39:47] Speaker 3: a terrible local transportation How do you keep your job?
[39:51] Speaker 3: You don't. That's a violation. Come on back to jail,
[39:55] Speaker 3: big dog. Got to have gainful employment. Got to have
[39:59] Speaker 3: a gainful place of residence. Can't live with no felon.
[40:05] Speaker 3: So if you live with one, you got to move out.
[40:08] Speaker 3: Can't find nowhere to live because you ain't got no job.
[40:10] Speaker 3: You can't get first last month. And I don't want
[40:13] Speaker 3: you staying here because you a felon. I don't know
[40:15] Speaker 3: what kind of trouble you're bringing. So now you can't
[40:17] Speaker 3: find nowhere to live. That's a violation. Come on back
[40:20] Speaker 3: to jail, big dog. So, you know, yeah, I was, bro,
[40:25] Speaker 3: my house was packed. I did what my lawyer told
[40:29] Speaker 3: me to do. He said, get your affairs in order.
[40:31] Speaker 3: I had six months. So here's how it happened. I
[40:34] Speaker 3: get arrested Thanksgiving of 98. I go to an open
[40:37] Speaker 3: mic that December. January comes around and I plead guilty.
[40:44] Speaker 3: Sentencing is in June. Because I pled guilty, I get
[40:48] Speaker 3: suspended from school because I stole the credit card from
[40:51] Speaker 3: the campus post office where I had a work study.
[40:53] Speaker 3: So because I committed a crime on campus, violation of
[40:56] Speaker 3: student code, you're officially suspended from the school. That's January.
[41:00] Speaker 3: Top of February comes. I get a financial aid check for.
[41:07] Speaker 2: $ 7, 000.
[41:08] Speaker 3: For classes I'm no longer taking. And I'm going to
[41:12] Speaker 3: prison in June. Bo, I was out that bitch like
[41:15] Speaker 3: Brewster's Millions. I have What does this matter? I'm going
[41:22] Speaker 3: to prison. So I like doing comedy. It's the one
[41:26] Speaker 3: thing I enjoy. I got this job at Golden Corral
[41:29] Speaker 3: just to mess around until I go to jail. Just
[41:32] Speaker 3: some way to get out the house for 20 hours
[41:33] Speaker 3: a week. I'm going to just use this money and
[41:36] Speaker 3: just ride the bus and go do open mics all
[41:39] Speaker 3: over the South. That's what I want to do. So
[41:41] Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to do. And that's what I did.
[41:43] Speaker 3: I worked at Golden Corral and I rode the bus
[41:45] Speaker 3: every week. And then June came and dude gave me probation.
[41:51] Speaker 3: And then September came and family let me back in school.
[41:55] Speaker 3: And then December came and my mama bought me a
[41:57] Speaker 3: car because she found out I was sleeping in the
[41:59] Speaker 3: bus station. And that's how the career started. And it
[42:06] Speaker 3: sucks that it takes hitting a bottom like that to go,
[42:09] Speaker 3: all right, what was that thing I really wanted to
[42:12] Speaker 3: do when I was 13? All right, I'm going to
[42:16] Speaker 3: do that. I should try that now at 19. Man,
[42:20] Speaker 3: I was 13, bro. I didn't even know Birmingham had
[42:23] Speaker 3: a comedy club. Not only did it have a comedy club,
[42:27] Speaker 3: it's to this day one of the most premier clubs
[42:29] Speaker 3: in the country. And people think, oh, Birmingham. Birmingham was
[42:33] Speaker 3: part of the stand-up boom in the 80s. And there's
[42:36] Speaker 3: flyers on the wall that the comedy club starred on, bro.
[42:39] Speaker 3: Steve Harvey, MC, Seinfeld feature act, headliner Sinbad. Like, just
[42:47] Speaker 3: murderous rogue. of just comedy. And I just was never,
[42:54] Speaker 3: we never went to that side of town. Did you
[42:58] Speaker 3: ever just not go to the white side of town
[43:00] Speaker 3: till it was shopping season? Like, just trying to get
[43:02] Speaker 3: back to school?
[43:03] Speaker 2: I lived on it.
[43:05] Speaker 1: But my friends who did not would act like they
[43:09] Speaker 1: were going to bars when they were coming to our house.
[43:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, we never went to Hoover. We never went
[43:16] Speaker 3: to the suburbs.
[43:18] Speaker 2: Oh, you asked that thing too.
[43:20] Speaker 1: Houston wasn't quite apartheid out, quite like the Alabama, Mississippi situation.
[43:24] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Birmingham was like, all you Negroes, you know?
[43:29] Speaker 3: And we call it over the mountain in Birmingham. You
[43:31] Speaker 3: have to literally go over a mountain, and then there's Whiteville.
[43:35] Speaker 3: So the idea of even knowing, not knowing, like, here's
[43:41] Speaker 3: a thing I'm curious about, and I don't know anything
[43:44] Speaker 3: about it, and I didn't even feel comfortable sharing it
[43:46] Speaker 3: with my parents. So... when you take that lesson and
[43:51] Speaker 3: you flip it as a father, well, I'm on my
[43:54] Speaker 3: son's face. What you like, bro? What you want to do?
[43:57] Speaker 3: He mumble anything. We're going to read about it. We're
[43:59] Speaker 3: going to learn about it. And eventually we're going to
[44:00] Speaker 3: go and try and do something tactile with it. You
[44:04] Speaker 3: in the aviation? Cool. We're going to hit all these museums.
[44:06] Speaker 3: All right. You got a little interest in that? You
[44:09] Speaker 3: still got interest? All right. Cool. Let's play around with
[44:12] Speaker 3: some VR flight simulator. You still like that? All right. Cool.
[44:15] Speaker 3: Let's see if I can get a plug. Like I
[44:17] Speaker 3: didn't really take, yo, I've tapped in to like, man,
[44:22] Speaker 3: Black College Alumni Networks, man. I'm so blessed, bro. Like,
[44:26] Speaker 3: I got a friend. I saw you had a picture
[44:29] Speaker 3: with your son touching the airplane wing on your Instagram
[44:32] Speaker 3: from three years ago. My homeboy, he works air traffic
[44:37] Speaker 3: control in Chicago. If you ever want to go in
[44:39] Speaker 3: the air traffic control tower at O'Hare. And I'm like, yeah.
[44:44] Speaker 3: And so the idea of, his dreams will get watered.
[44:51] Speaker 3: Or you would at least know what the world has
[44:55] Speaker 3: to offer so that lack of knowledge, because your parents
[44:59] Speaker 3: just had their heads down trying to work, that's not
[45:02] Speaker 3: going to be the reason that your progress is impeded.
[45:07] Speaker 3: What would my life have been if I knew that
[45:08] Speaker 3: comedy club was out there? Or if I just shared
[45:12] Speaker 3: it with my mom? Hey, I like watching, she'd come
[45:16] Speaker 3: home and see me watching Comedy Central and imitating Eddie Murphy,
[45:20] Speaker 3: imitating Sinbad. We'd watch George Wallace. We could watch George
[45:24] Speaker 3: Wallace and Sinbad. Who knows? I don't think Sinbad get
[45:31] Speaker 3: enough credit either, man. That man did a live primetime
[45:34] Speaker 3: comedy special on network television with commercial breaks. That is
[45:39] Speaker 3: the most wildest shit. Like for all of this, I'm
[45:43] Speaker 3: live on Netflix. Cool, but can you do comedy and
[45:48] Speaker 3: perfectly time a four-minute commercial break in the middle of
[45:51] Speaker 3: your comedy, which means you're still doing comedy while the
[45:54] Speaker 3: commercials are airing, and when we come back from commercials,
[45:56] Speaker 3: merge perfectly back into a new bit that the people
[45:59] Speaker 3: watching at home didn't see?
[46:01] Speaker 1: Hey, man, Sinbad was the top of the marquee star
[46:05] Speaker 1: of the number two TV show in America.
[46:07] Speaker 2: It is very easy to forget that.
[46:09] Speaker 3: That man, yo, I grew up watching him, and that was...
[46:17] Speaker 3: That was like the impetus for like, oh, what is
[46:20] Speaker 3: this comedy thing? But I just buried it. You just
[46:23] Speaker 3: put it in your back pocket because you don't think
[46:25] Speaker 3: anybody cares about your dream. You think your dream don't matter.
[46:28] Speaker 3: You think it's too massive of a mountain to climb.
[46:33] Speaker 3: So you just don't pursue it. So for me, it
[46:35] Speaker 3: took having everything almost taken away from me for me
[46:38] Speaker 3: to get to that place. But then from that, going
[46:42] Speaker 3: through that thought process, you go, okay, how do I
[46:45] Speaker 3: make sure my son doesn't walk around unaware of whatever
[46:49] Speaker 3: his comedy club is. And that's to talk to them.
[46:53] Speaker 3: That's to have interactions with your kids. That's to see
[46:56] Speaker 3: what they're interested in and try and learn it. Be
[47:02] Speaker 3: a part of it. And then maybe they'll share the
[47:04] Speaker 3: next thing. Man, I got to learn Spanish and the
[47:07] Speaker 3: fucking trombone this year. Just so I can be close
[47:13] Speaker 3: to this boy. And I'm going to do it. And
[47:16] Speaker 3: then you gonna watch, in two years, I'm gonna be
[47:18] Speaker 3: the first trombone comic. I'm gonna be up there, the
[47:21] Speaker 3: way them, they be playing the piano and the guitar
[47:23] Speaker 3: on stage, I'm gonna have a whole ass trombone.
[47:25] Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, bro.
[47:29] Speaker 1: It wasn't that easy for me to tell people when
[47:31] Speaker 1: I was finishing school that I wanted to start writing
[47:34] Speaker 1: about music and stuff. I can't imagine running up on
[47:37] Speaker 1: people being like, I'm about to go tell these jokes.
[47:39] Speaker 2: Don't worry, it'll be fine.
[47:41] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[47:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:42] Speaker 3: You can't, like, and even when I had it under control,
[47:46] Speaker 3: my mom was still like, eh. Because when I graduated college,
[47:53] Speaker 3: I had no choice but to keep doing stand-up because
[47:55] Speaker 3: I couldn't get no internship in journalism because of the conviction.
[47:58] Speaker 3: But it didn't matter because I was always doing stand-up.
[48:01] Speaker 3: So I graduated college. My projection for 2001 was I
[48:08] Speaker 3: was going to make 17.5 doing stand-up. I had two
[48:11] Speaker 3: job offers that were gonna pay 14. So I go
[48:16] Speaker 3: to my mom and I go, look, let me move
[48:19] Speaker 3: back in with you. I'm gonna make 17 this year.
[48:25] Speaker 3: If I don't make more money the following year, let
[48:30] Speaker 3: me stay with you up to three years. All I
[48:32] Speaker 3: need is three years and I think I can get
[48:35] Speaker 3: this stand up money to 60,000. I've done the math.
[48:39] Speaker 3: I do Merck. I'm 17 this year. I should be 25.
[48:44] Speaker 3: That should go to 40. And then it should be 60.
[48:48] Speaker 3: And I moved out the next year. I was making
[48:50] Speaker 3: almost 50K. I was driving hella far to make it,
[48:54] Speaker 3: but I was making enough to pay for a $ 525
[48:56] Speaker 3: a month townhouse of Alford Avenue, which was almost over
[49:02] Speaker 3: the mountain. It's at the top of the mountain, right
[49:05] Speaker 3: before you come down in the Whiteville. It was like
[49:07] Speaker 3: the perfect, you're almost there, negro. You're almost there.
[49:14] Speaker 2: It was like, it was like eggshell. It was like cream.
[49:18] Speaker 3: Yeah. But yeah, I would get on the road. man.
[49:20] Speaker 3: I would work day labor in cities. I would donate plasma,
[49:25] Speaker 3: which is just weird. I don't know if you've ever
[49:28] Speaker 3: been in a room with people giving up fluids for money.
[49:31] Speaker 1: No, man, I've just driven past the plasma joint, man.
[49:33] Speaker 1: I went somewhere once where the Goodwill was right next
[49:35] Speaker 1: to the plasma. And it was the saddest parking lot
[49:38] Speaker 1: I'd ever seen in my life.
[49:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. The plasma parking lot looked like a truck
[49:41] Speaker 3: stop with no trucks. It's everybody in an unwashed hoodie.
[49:51] Speaker 3: In the past, every damn time. But you get $ 75
[49:54] Speaker 3: for an hour, bro. That's what they was paying in Tallahassee.
[50:01] Speaker 3: $ 75 for an hour. All you got to do is
[50:03] Speaker 3: sit here for an hour, do this with your arm,
[50:05] Speaker 3: They give you a little squeezy. And I'm just sitting
[50:08] Speaker 3: there reading homework.
[50:10] Speaker 1: I ain't going to lie. If I knew you could
[50:11] Speaker 1: get 75 for it, I might have tried it myself.
[50:13] Speaker 1: And I ain't even really need the money.
[50:15] Speaker 3: You can only do it twice a week, though. So
[50:17] Speaker 3: it ain't a super lit.
[50:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, 75 at a time, though, big dog.
[50:22] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[50:22] Speaker 3: I was hurting them. Well, that's why I went multiple
[50:24] Speaker 3: times and passed out. Because I was putting the makeup
[50:27] Speaker 3: on my hand. In those days, when you donated plasma,
[50:32] Speaker 3: they stamped your hand UV ink. So you had to
[50:36] Speaker 3: put your hand under the light and then they would
[50:39] Speaker 3: keep track. But what they didn't keep track of, the
[50:41] Speaker 3: two different plasma centers didn't communicate with each other. There
[50:44] Speaker 3: was no centralized computer to say, hey, he already donated
[50:48] Speaker 3: across town. The UV stamp was strictly for that location.
[50:53] Speaker 3: So Monday, I hit the one on Tennessee Street. And
[50:56] Speaker 3: then Tuesday, I hit the joint on Duval Street. Wednesday,
[51:00] Speaker 3: go back to Tennessee, donate again. And then passed out.
[51:06] Speaker 1: I read that part in the book and I was like,
[51:08] Speaker 1: this dude really tried to hit him for lick number
[51:11] Speaker 1: three on the plasma.
[51:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, because what you do, you would put concealer makeup
[51:17] Speaker 3: on your hand on Monday so that when they stamp
[51:19] Speaker 3: your hand on Monday, the concealer will wipe the UV
[51:23] Speaker 3: ink right off. So it's like Monday's donation never happens.
[51:26] Speaker 3: So when I go in Tuesday and they UV me,
[51:30] Speaker 3: it's not there. So now that's technically the first donation
[51:34] Speaker 3: by their account. And then when I go back Wednesday
[51:37] Speaker 3: to the Crosstown location that I went on Monday and
[51:40] Speaker 3: they know I was there on Monday, as you can see,
[51:42] Speaker 3: I still have my UV ink. But the UV you
[51:46] Speaker 3: see is really from the Crosstown UV stamp. I feel
[51:51] Speaker 3: like we could do a whole scamming episode. There's so
[51:54] Speaker 3: much untapped mischief that I was unable to get to.
[52:00] Speaker 2: You're trying to get somebody else. You got to send
[52:01] Speaker 2: somebody else to jail.
[52:03] Speaker 3: Nah, most of my scams, they shut down real fast.
[52:05] Speaker 3: You know, my first hustle was fake funeral programs, right? Continue.
[52:12] Speaker 2: Continue.
[52:13] Speaker 3: So I flunked a class. Well, I overslept for a
[52:17] Speaker 3: midterm freshman year. I see you shifting in your seat.
[52:21] Speaker 3: They can't take the degree from me now. I got it.
[52:23] Speaker 2: No, I wasn't shifted.
[52:24] Speaker 1: I was just, I'm curious where this was going to go.
[52:27] Speaker 3: They can't take the degree from me. is mine. So
[52:33] Speaker 3: I overslept for a class and the professor was like,
[52:40] Speaker 3: where were you? And it just came out my mouth.
[52:44] Speaker 3: I just got back in town from a funeral. He go, oh,
[52:47] Speaker 3: that's easy. All you have to do is just provide
[52:51] Speaker 3: the funeral programs to the dean's office and they'll give
[52:55] Speaker 3: you an excuse and you can come back and make
[52:57] Speaker 3: up the test. And I went, yes, sir. I went
[53:01] Speaker 3: back to the dorm. I opened up Microsoft Word. I
[53:04] Speaker 3: made me a funeral program. I went on AOL Personals,
[53:09] Speaker 3: found a picture of some black lady in the 70s
[53:10] Speaker 3: who was looking for love. Right click, save image as,
[53:17] Speaker 3: and then copy image. Drop that JPEG into Microsoft Word, dot,
[53:22] Speaker 3: print that four-page doc, take that to FedEx office, Kinko's
[53:25] Speaker 3: at the time, have them reduce it to the proper
[53:28] Speaker 3: size where it fits on one sheet of paper, and
[53:31] Speaker 3: then you put it on some of that cream-colored marble
[53:35] Speaker 3: paper with the wavy lines. It's like light brown with
[53:38] Speaker 3: the cream streaks in it, the good emotional paper. You
[53:42] Speaker 3: print a funeral program on that. Make sure your name
[53:45] Speaker 3: is somewhere in the list of surviving relatives. Take that
[53:47] Speaker 3: program back to your dean. As you can see, I
[53:50] Speaker 3: was at a funeral. I would like to make up
[53:52] Speaker 3: my test, please. And I did. And nobody thought that
[53:59] Speaker 3: it would work. And it did. And I made up
[54:02] Speaker 3: my midterm and flunked that bitch.
[54:05] Speaker 1: I was going to say, I love that you said
[54:09] Speaker 1: nobody thought it would work, but it did.
[54:13] Speaker 2: Nobody thought we could do it, but we believed.
[54:16] Speaker 3: Everybody was teasing me because I was bragging about it.
[54:19] Speaker 3: You know, you brag about it. Yeah, man, I made
[54:21] Speaker 3: up my mind. And then somebody came to me a
[54:25] Speaker 3: week later. Hey, man, you think you can make me
[54:29] Speaker 3: one of them funeral programs? And I'm like, of course,
[54:33] Speaker 3: good sir, for $ 20. For the low, low price. So
[54:39] Speaker 3: I made one for this dude, and it worked for him.
[54:43] Speaker 3: And somebody else came to me. And they didn't want
[54:46] Speaker 3: to pay $ 20. And they went to somebody else who
[54:51] Speaker 3: said they'll do it for $ 10. I refused to fold
[54:53] Speaker 3: on my price. The brother who was doing them for
[54:56] Speaker 3: $ 10 was making a mint. He was making like $ 7,
[54:59] Speaker 3: $ 8 a week. And the problem, though, was that he
[55:02] Speaker 3: was never changing the picture on the programs. And so
[55:07] Speaker 3: now you have somebody making fake funeral programs, but it's
[55:13] Speaker 3: the same dead person in every program. So if you
[55:16] Speaker 3: got two students in the same major going to the
[55:18] Speaker 3: same dean to get an excuse, you're going to recognize it.
[55:22] Speaker 3: All of a sudden, it's just a wave of dead
[55:24] Speaker 3: grandmamas sweeping the campus. How long do you think that
[55:28] Speaker 3: scam lasts? About two and a half weeks. They shut
[55:30] Speaker 3: that shit down so fast. Fam, you ain't stupid. And
[55:34] Speaker 3: I don't know what the rule is now on campus,
[55:36] Speaker 3: but at the time, the rule was changed to like, yeah,
[55:39] Speaker 3: the funeral program has to be mailed directly from your mama.
[55:44] Speaker 3: Got to mail this to the dean. before you even
[55:46] Speaker 3: get in. Don't come in here with that. We don't
[55:48] Speaker 3: trust that no more. You know, funeral program got to
[55:52] Speaker 3: be signed by a notary.
[55:55] Speaker 2: Like there's always a lag, right?
[55:56] Speaker 1: Between the new hustle and people getting up on game.
[56:00] Speaker 2: But there's always, like you said, not stupid people.
[56:03] Speaker 1: There will be a lag, but it will be caught.
[56:06] Speaker 1: And one of you will be the first person to
[56:08] Speaker 1: be the first example of the new world order.
[56:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, bro. I literally... I literally, that was the first
[56:18] Speaker 3: hustle and I flunked. And you'd think that should have
[56:21] Speaker 3: been a sign from God. Just, hey man, scamming ain't
[56:25] Speaker 3: for you. Just don't do that.
[56:30] Speaker 2: Hey man, you think it can't happen to you?
[56:32] Speaker 3: Then it do. But yeah, man, it's a blessing, man.
[56:39] Speaker 3: It's a blessing to be on the other side of
[56:40] Speaker 3: this and just have some degree of awareness. All I
[56:43] Speaker 3: want people to do with this book, man, is if
[56:47] Speaker 3: you're like me and you feel like you loved and
[56:51] Speaker 3: appreciated your father, but there were things that you wish
[56:53] Speaker 3: you hadn't, there's things you wish you had gotten from
[56:57] Speaker 3: your dad, but you didn't get them. You gotta let
[57:00] Speaker 3: go of that. Whatever you're feeling because of that, you
[57:02] Speaker 3: gotta let go of it. And if you really take
[57:05] Speaker 3: a minute and reflect on your life, you'll see all
[57:08] Speaker 3: of the people that God put in your path who
[57:11] Speaker 3: planted seeds in you. Take them seeds. and plant those
[57:15] Speaker 3: ideas in your child. And then you guarantee to have
[57:19] Speaker 3: a child who doesn't grow up to be like your dad.
[57:23] Speaker 3: It's simple.
[57:24] Speaker 1: Man of Many Fathers, available where all five books are sold.
[57:27] Speaker 1: It is a really good book for you to check out.
[57:29] Speaker 1: I highly recommend it.
[57:30] Speaker 2: I checked it out.
[57:31] Speaker 1: Before we got on here. My brother, you did good
[57:33] Speaker 1: work on this one, man. So I appreciate you joining
[57:36] Speaker 1: us here with this.
[57:37] Speaker 2: And best of luck.
[57:38] Speaker 1: You know, we went, me, Dominique, and Goff, we went
[57:40] Speaker 1: and pulled up to your live show the other night.
[57:43] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[57:44] Speaker 3: Good times, man. Yeah. Yeah, we on tour too, man.
[57:48] Speaker 3: The book is baked into the price. So we going
[57:50] Speaker 3: to a bunch of cities. Roywoodjrbook.com. Find out all that information, man.
[57:55] Speaker 3: I appreciate it, y'all, man. I just wish y'all would
[57:57] Speaker 3: come chop it up before the show backstage.
[58:00] Speaker 1: Well, but the problem is, and I be forgetting this
[58:02] Speaker 1: stuff about you don't be telling nobody that you're doing nothing,
[58:05] Speaker 1: and then Dominique don't think to tell you that.
[58:07] Speaker 2: We gonna be there.
[58:08] Speaker 1: Like, it never really dawned on me when Dominique was like, yo,
[58:11] Speaker 1: I got tickets to this, let's.
[58:12] Speaker 2: Roll, that you were unaware that the rolling was going
[58:15] Speaker 2: to be happening.
[58:16] Speaker 3: I did not know. Did not know.
[58:20] Speaker 1: Like, we're all working on being better friends to one another,
[58:24] Speaker 1: and we just don't have that much.
[58:25] Speaker 2: Practice, apparently.
[58:28] Speaker 3: With time.
[58:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, Roy do all the stuff that we find out
[58:31] Speaker 1: about in the trades. Like, hey, guys, let's tell everybody
[58:34] Speaker 1: what Roy's doing right now, because Roy's not going.
[58:36] Speaker 2: To tell us.
[58:37] Speaker 3: All right, I'll be a better friend. I'll share my victories,
[58:41] Speaker 3: as they say.
[58:42] Speaker 2: That's it.
[58:42] Speaker 1: I've been working on this with that hater Joel Anderson
[58:45] Speaker 1: for a very long time also, right? But that's how
[58:48] Speaker 1: you know I actually love Joel, because I'd be wanting
[58:51] Speaker 1: to share in his victories, but he too much of
[58:52] Speaker 1: a hater to even tell anybody.
[58:55] Speaker 3: Damn shame.
[58:56] Speaker 2: I know. I know, brother.
[58:58] Speaker 1: I appreciate you. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much
[59:00] Speaker 1: for joining us here on The Right Time. We do
[59:02] Speaker 1: this three or four times a week. Ryan Brumley handling
[59:05] Speaker 1: everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Also, hit our
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[59:23] Speaker 2: Take it easy.

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