# Bruce Bowen GOES IN on Spurs Title Chances, Luka Doncic's whining, Tatum's return | 03.04

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 4 Mar 2026, 1 h 03 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by San Antonio Spurs Legend Bruce Bowen. First, they discuss the Spurs' season and whether Victor Wembanyama can lead them to an NBA title. Later, they break down other Western Conference contenders and discuss the disappointing seasons that Luka Doncic and the Lakers are having. Finally, they react to Jayson Tatum potentially coming back for the Boston Celtics and if that is a good idea. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:10] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:16] Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
[0:18] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
[0:23] Speaker 1: have a guest join us, coming to us live from
[0:26] Speaker 1: San Antonio, East Fresno's own Bruce Bowen.
[0:31] Speaker 2: What's going on?
[0:32] Speaker 3: You know what? I'm not going to let you do it.
[0:34] Speaker 3: Starting off with East Fresno. You know I'm from West Fresno.
[0:37] Speaker 3: It's West, my bad. No, you did that on purpose, man.
[0:40] Speaker 4: No, I didn't.
[0:41] Speaker 2: See, this time I did do it on purpose.
[0:42] Speaker 3: That's what you do. I read the comments. People, all
[0:46] Speaker 3: they want to do is hear us go back and forth.
[0:48] Speaker 3: They want to hear me talk about, you know, I'm
[0:51] Speaker 3: going to get you and all that stuff. But you
[0:54] Speaker 3: know it's West Fresno.
[0:55] Speaker 4: But you know what?
[0:55] Speaker 1: What makes it so bad is I was like, I
[0:57] Speaker 1: messed it up last time, but I'm not going to mess.
[0:59] Speaker 2: It up again. And then I came out here and
[1:02] Speaker 2: I messed it up again.
[1:03] Speaker 3: That's what we doing.
[1:04] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:05] Speaker 1: Cause I'm happy to see you.
[1:10] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:10] Speaker 2: This is always a good time. But we got you
[1:13] Speaker 2: back here.
[1:14] Speaker 3: I got, look here. I got this.
[1:16] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:16] Speaker 3: Okay. This is my calming teeth.
[1:18] Speaker 2: That's what you need.
[1:19] Speaker 3: My calming teeth. Only when I deal with you.
[1:23] Speaker 1: See, here's the worst thing about it, man. Bruce doing this,
[1:25] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, when I'm
[1:27] Speaker 1: trying to get Bruce, it ain't going to be about
[1:28] Speaker 1: what side of Fresno. It's all the same Fresno to me.
[1:30] Speaker 2: I don't know no better. You know, like, well, I'm
[1:32] Speaker 2: going to get you. I'm going to get you. I
[1:34] Speaker 2: wanted to start off. Look, this is the thing.
[1:36] Speaker 1: Bruce Bowen, San Antonio Spurs legend, retired jersey. He was
[1:41] Speaker 1: nice enough to let somebody borrow it, but I bet
[1:44] Speaker 1: you ain't going to do that again, right? retired jersey
[1:47] Speaker 1: number 12 up there in the rafters it's been a
[1:50] Speaker 1: down few years for the spurs um it ain't down
[1:54] Speaker 1: no more man like like when you watch this team
[1:57] Speaker 1: what do you think because this is here's what i
[2:00] Speaker 1: think is interesting and is a little bit different is
[2:02] Speaker 1: the spurs had the luck of two superstars who were
[2:06] Speaker 1: perfectly built for san antonio right david robinson into tim
[2:10] Speaker 1: duncan and Victor is similar to them, but Victor got
[2:15] Speaker 1: a different kind of star power and wattage to him.
[2:18] Speaker 3: Right.
[2:19] Speaker 1: Like he's not he is of a much different personality
[2:22] Speaker 1: than those guys are. But it still feels like this
[2:25] Speaker 1: is San Antonio Spurs basketball.
[2:27] Speaker 2: Well, yes.
[2:28] Speaker 3: And to Victor's credit, I think San Antonio has been
[2:32] Speaker 3: blessed with, I think, great thinkers of the game, high IQ,
[2:37] Speaker 3: big men. Now, I've played with some big men that
[2:40] Speaker 3: that elevator didn't quite get to the penthouse level. But
[2:45] Speaker 3: to think about how they have gone about things, Victor
[2:49] Speaker 3: wanted to be here. Now, you think about this. A
[2:53] Speaker 3: guy that's able to go to an organization that has
[2:55] Speaker 3: had successful foundation players, why wouldn't you want to? But
[3:01] Speaker 3: on top of that, still staying true to who he
[3:04] Speaker 3: is as far as his evolution goes. and his IQ
[3:07] Speaker 3: to seek out knowledge in different places and not be
[3:11] Speaker 3: afraid to tap into some individual that may be monks.
[3:16] Speaker 3: Let me go spend some time in China to learn
[3:20] Speaker 3: different things about how I can center myself in this
[3:25] Speaker 3: great league that we're in. How can I seek knowledge
[3:29] Speaker 3: from some of the former players that big men would
[3:33] Speaker 3: never think about seeking knowledge from? Hey, Jamal Crawford, I
[3:37] Speaker 3: like how crafty you were with the basketball. Hey, can
[3:40] Speaker 3: you give me some time? Obviously, Hakeem allows you on.
[3:45] Speaker 3: But just to say that one thing about Tim and
[3:49] Speaker 3: David that I've always appreciated is how they've been comfortable
[3:54] Speaker 3: in their own skin. And that's what you see in Victor.
[3:57] Speaker 3: You see him comfortable in his own skin, but being
[4:00] Speaker 3: so much different from a standpoint of, certain things that
[4:04] Speaker 3: turn him on, certain things that turn him off. But
[4:07] Speaker 3: at the same time, he has that same IQ of
[4:13] Speaker 3: wanting to be a better version of himself.
[4:16] Speaker 1: Let me tell you, and I want to get back
[4:18] Speaker 1: to talking about current Spurs, but as you mentioned that,
[4:20] Speaker 1: it got me thinking about something.
[4:21] Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody about this the other day.
[4:25] Speaker 1: Because of one bad playoff series, I feel like we
[4:28] Speaker 1: have really slept on what David Robinson was like, like the.
[4:32] Speaker 2: High end of David Robinson.
[4:33] Speaker 1: Like even you, where you play with him after the
[4:35] Speaker 1: back injury, you go look at the advanced numbers. David
[4:38] Speaker 1: Robinson was still David Robinson just at 25 minutes a game.
[4:42] Speaker 3: You know, you talk about the first big man that
[4:45] Speaker 3: would beat guys up and down the floor. You know,
[4:49] Speaker 3: you look at his frame and this is what I
[4:51] Speaker 3: think Wimby had, had to deal with. People look at
[4:55] Speaker 3: his frame and say, ah, He can't handle this. He
[4:58] Speaker 3: can't handle that. But all of a sudden, what you
[5:00] Speaker 3: see on the floor with Wimby is something that's truly special.
[5:04] Speaker 3: But you're not accustomed to seeing that from somebody with
[5:07] Speaker 3: his build. David had that build. But more importantly, he
[5:14] Speaker 3: didn't allow the bigs to beat him up so much
[5:18] Speaker 3: because he learned how to utilize his strengths more than
[5:22] Speaker 3: anything else. So I have a big guy that wants
[5:25] Speaker 3: to guard me on the block. Dave would take him
[5:27] Speaker 3: out to that wing and catch and rip right through
[5:29] Speaker 3: him and get to the basket. At that moment with
[5:33] Speaker 3: him and Avery Johnson, how many guys were running the
[5:37] Speaker 3: floor like Wimby does and what Dave was able to do?
[5:40] Speaker 3: And they're just pointing at the rim. I mean, in
[5:43] Speaker 3: full transition mode, not one of those things where you
[5:46] Speaker 3: could see the lob coming, but a certain play in
[5:50] Speaker 3: transition where that becomes part of the weapons that you
[5:54] Speaker 3: use when it comes to your offensive game. Davis ability
[5:57] Speaker 3: to block shots and stay with wing players at that time.
[6:01] Speaker 3: It was something we never had seen before. So to
[6:04] Speaker 3: see him do it, I mean, only other slender guy
[6:07] Speaker 3: was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar that I can think of, or, or
[6:11] Speaker 3: Ralph Sampson, who was more, I think in the lines
[6:15] Speaker 3: of what Wimby is, but at another level and, and
[6:19] Speaker 3: less upset about being that guy. Um, Only say that
[6:24] Speaker 3: because it seemed like Ralph Samson was always fighting somebody.
[6:26] Speaker 2: Like, why you so mad at.
[6:29] Speaker 3: Me, brother? I mean, come on.
[6:31] Speaker 2: Ralph in the NBA finals.
[6:33] Speaker 1: Our guy, Howard Bryant, you know, he grew up as
[6:35] Speaker 1: a Celtics fan. He hated Ralph Samson so much.
[6:38] Speaker 2: So much.
[6:41] Speaker 3: But, you know, that's the beauty of this is that
[6:44] Speaker 3: Dave was not a guy that was, well, when I played,
[6:47] Speaker 3: I did this. That, you don't ever hear from Dave.
[6:50] Speaker 3: Dave was about what he could do to I think
[6:54] Speaker 3: more importantly, add to his longevity in the game. And
[6:59] Speaker 3: I played two years with him and it was interesting.
[7:02] Speaker 3: I had heard the yoga that he did. And so
[7:07] Speaker 3: I said, Dave, tell me about the yoga and what
[7:09] Speaker 3: it does for you. And Dave hopped into a position. Oh,
[7:14] Speaker 3: and I was like, you're right. And I'm saying to myself, like, man,
[7:18] Speaker 3: that looked like your abs really gotta be strong to
[7:22] Speaker 3: do that. You know, meaning, please don't ask me to
[7:25] Speaker 3: do it, Dave. But what he was doing, I think
[7:30] Speaker 3: he was ahead of time as far as the way
[7:32] Speaker 3: you have to take care of your body being that
[7:35] Speaker 3: size so that you don't wake up with knots in
[7:38] Speaker 3: your muscles and things of that nature. But he was
[7:42] Speaker 3: funny in how he did things as well. Dave, he
[7:45] Speaker 3: would just say, uh-uh, when you thought you were driving
[7:48] Speaker 3: in to get, oh, no, not that one. No, you
[7:51] Speaker 3: got to try that again. And it's just, it was
[7:54] Speaker 3: humorous to me. But at the same time, he was
[7:58] Speaker 3: sending a message that, hey, I may not talk trash
[8:01] Speaker 3: like these other folks, but I do have something to
[8:05] Speaker 3: say about whether you score or not. And so you
[8:08] Speaker 3: think about that and you look at me being able
[8:11] Speaker 3: to press up on guys, knowing that I had Dave
[8:14] Speaker 3: back there. And even Dave, at his final two years,
[8:19] Speaker 3: was still better than a whole lot of others that
[8:22] Speaker 3: were in A-prime. Yeah.
[8:24] Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting between David and Victor
[8:26] Speaker 1: is Victor is a much ornery character. Like, Victor seems
[8:30] Speaker 1: to be, as my buddy Joel Anderson says, motivated by spite.
[8:36] Speaker 3: See, and that's the beauty of Dave. Dave's a strong,
[8:39] Speaker 3: devout Christian. And Dave would bless you, brother, for feeling
[8:43] Speaker 3: that way about me. And I'm still going to give
[8:46] Speaker 3: you 30 and 15. And whereas Victor, like, this is
[8:51] Speaker 3: the thing. I couldn't stand it when reporters with little
[8:57] Speaker 3: snide remarks, yeah, but you seem to walk up under
[9:00] Speaker 3: him while he was shooting. Can you believe that, Bomani?
[9:03] Speaker 3: They would say stuff like that on the low and
[9:06] Speaker 3: it bothered me and I couldn't do much about it
[9:10] Speaker 3: because I didn't have that intention of what they saw,
[9:15] Speaker 3: but they would immediately say things like, oh, he tried
[9:19] Speaker 3: to do that. He's a dirty guy. Now, that being said,
[9:23] Speaker 3: I heard that, but I didn't say anything to it.
[9:26] Speaker 3: Whereas Victor has heard all the folks talking about, ah,
[9:31] Speaker 3: just take him on the block. He can't do nothing
[9:35] Speaker 3: because all you have to do is be physical with him.
[9:37] Speaker 3: Draymond knew that that was the only, that was the
[9:41] Speaker 3: last line of defense he had on him is to
[9:44] Speaker 3: try to be physical with him. Two years ago, Victor
[9:47] Speaker 3: probably would have tussled with somebody trying to show how
[9:50] Speaker 3: strong he is. Now, He sets them up to utilize
[9:54] Speaker 3: their strength against them. And what happened when you press
[9:58] Speaker 3: up on him on that underneath out of bounds play
[10:01] Speaker 3: he spins and he's catching it for an and one
[10:04] Speaker 3: that's the ultimate get back in that particular moment as
[10:07] Speaker 3: far as i'm concerned.
[10:09] Speaker 1: Take that Now, how good are the rest of them dudes? That's,
[10:12] Speaker 1: I think, the most interesting question. Because, I mean, we
[10:15] Speaker 1: got a pretty decent idea about De'Aaron Fox, who I
[10:17] Speaker 1: think has done a good job of recognizing that, like,
[10:21] Speaker 1: you playing with the guy, right?
[10:24] Speaker 2: Like, don't lose track of what really matters. But he's
[10:28] Speaker 2: been good.
[10:29] Speaker 1: They got all these young dudes, but I feel like
[10:32] Speaker 1: they could win the West, but everybody got the same point,
[10:34] Speaker 1: and it's a fair one. They've never won anything, like
[10:36] Speaker 1: a single solitary playoff series.
[10:39] Speaker 3: And that's fair, Bomani. It really is. And that's always
[10:42] Speaker 3: been my thought process with this group prior to it
[10:45] Speaker 3: coming together quite like it is now. I always have
[10:48] Speaker 3: shared with people that you need experience. You need that
[10:52] Speaker 3: failure to teach you more than anything else. Case in point,
[10:57] Speaker 3: this last game against the New York Knicks, they had
[11:00] Speaker 3: 11-game win streak. And what stood out to me in
[11:04] Speaker 3: that little moment was... Okay, what happens to most is
[11:10] Speaker 3: when you get on a win streak, you become more
[11:13] Speaker 3: concerned with the W's than how you went about being
[11:17] Speaker 3: the best you could be and taking whatever happened. Now
[11:23] Speaker 3: on those win streaks, this is why coaches are so
[11:26] Speaker 3: thrilled when they come to an end. Now you will
[11:28] Speaker 3: start listening to me again. Now I can coach you
[11:31] Speaker 3: again because before I could coach you and we got
[11:34] Speaker 3: on a win streak, And then it became skipping steps
[11:38] Speaker 3: to get a W. We saw steps skipped in that game.
[11:42] Speaker 3: And in those steps that were skipped, I'm sure Mitch
[11:45] Speaker 3: was able to go back and film and say, hey, fellas,
[11:49] Speaker 3: look at this. Look at how we just tried to
[11:52] Speaker 3: get Wimby the ball in a rush and didn't really
[11:54] Speaker 3: take note of how he was being played and how
[11:58] Speaker 3: we could counter to maybe there's someone denying him. Those
[12:02] Speaker 3: are the little things that those lessons of losing a
[12:07] Speaker 3: win streak or losing a game you're able to learn from.
[12:11] Speaker 3: In the playoffs, it becomes more heightened. Now you see
[12:14] Speaker 3: so many things that only one that maybe have a
[12:17] Speaker 3: little bit of a playoff experience that I can think
[12:20] Speaker 3: of at the top of my head is Fox.
[12:23] Speaker 2: And Harrison.
[12:23] Speaker 3: Harrison Barnes. And Harrison Barnes, exactly. And what you have
[12:28] Speaker 3: in those two are so valuable. The things that they
[12:31] Speaker 3: can bring to the table are so valuable for a
[12:33] Speaker 3: guy who's excited. You know, Vassell, excited. Kelton Johnson, excited.
[12:40] Speaker 3: Being able to get to that point and feel like,
[12:45] Speaker 3: oh my goodness, this is what they're talking about. Because
[12:48] Speaker 3: I remember my first year in the NBA, I went to,
[12:54] Speaker 3: it was my second year, I believe it was, I
[12:57] Speaker 3: go to the Lakers, they're still at the forum, and
[12:59] Speaker 3: they're playing the Portland Trail Blazers. And that's when the big,
[13:04] Speaker 3: he was a tall, skinnier version, bouncy guy that went
[13:10] Speaker 3: to Iowa State. Coutinho, no, not Coutinho.
[13:13] Speaker 2: No, Kelvin Cato.
[13:15] Speaker 3: Kelvin Cato. When Shaq dunked on him, but you bring
[13:20] Speaker 3: up that clip, but when Shaq dunked on him, That
[13:23] Speaker 3: was a moment where Calvin Cato realized that his defensive
[13:28] Speaker 3: rotations needed to be a tenth of a second quicker.
[13:35] Speaker 3: The fact that he was rotating late because he's never
[13:39] Speaker 3: been in that environment and the way that Shaq stretched
[13:44] Speaker 3: out on him, I still think about this one. And
[13:48] Speaker 3: just the way it happened, I saw it coming. I'm like, uh-oh, uh-oh.
[13:52] Speaker 3: And boom, it happens. Also during that time, that's when J.R.
[13:56] Speaker 3: Ryder told the press, said, I own Eddie Jones. And
[14:01] Speaker 3: every time he scored, he would pull his jersey a
[14:04] Speaker 3: little bit like, I got heart, Eddie doesn't. And so
[14:08] Speaker 3: all these different things go on during the course of
[14:11] Speaker 3: playoffs where the game slows down and there's a focus
[14:15] Speaker 3: that happens. teams aren't coming up with new plays, but
[14:18] Speaker 3: it's about the execution of the plays that they have
[14:22] Speaker 3: where you're saying, oh my goodness, this is truly special. So,
[14:25] Speaker 3: you know, you look at being that it's Victor had
[14:30] Speaker 3: a rookie of the year and not Vassell, but....
[14:35] Speaker 2: Castle.
[14:36] Speaker 4: Castle.
[14:37] Speaker 3: What they have, Castle's ability to learn on the fly
[14:41] Speaker 3: because I look at Castle as far as his ability
[14:44] Speaker 3: to make the change in defense and I remember last year,
[14:47] Speaker 3: there were a couple of times he opened up a
[14:50] Speaker 3: little bit on certain guys and that gave them a
[14:52] Speaker 3: driving way. Now he's become more physical and he's starting
[14:55] Speaker 3: to really enforce his will on the defensive side, let
[14:59] Speaker 3: alone the offensive side. You look at Harper, what he's
[15:02] Speaker 3: able to do. We have so many different valuable options now. Now,
[15:08] Speaker 3: when it comes to playoff basketball, who's able to play
[15:12] Speaker 3: their role to a tee, who's able to understand how
[15:15] Speaker 3: important it is to follow a game plan and how
[15:19] Speaker 3: necessary it is to pay attention to detail. Those are
[15:23] Speaker 3: the things, those are the things that you learn during
[15:25] Speaker 3: the course of that time. But I feel like they
[15:28] Speaker 3: can win a series and learn from that series and
[15:33] Speaker 3: learn how more important things are because of that. It
[15:36] Speaker 3: doesn't happen often, but I think that they're capable of
[15:40] Speaker 3: doing that. All right.
[15:41] Speaker 2: If you had to pick somebody in the West right now, though,
[15:43] Speaker 2: which way are you going?
[15:45] Speaker 3: Well, I think it's hard. to not pick the champions,
[15:49] Speaker 3: especially when they're in first place. So it's always going
[15:53] Speaker 3: to be them. But I think even in the fact
[15:57] Speaker 3: that if Spurs and OKC meet up in the Western
[16:00] Speaker 3: Conference Finals, the only edge I would give OKC is
[16:05] Speaker 3: the fact that they've been there before.
[16:07] Speaker 2: Now, where are you on Denver?
[16:10] Speaker 1: Cause I still think they got the best play on Denver.
[16:13] Speaker 1: Cause I still feel like, oh, you're not here in Denver.
[16:15] Speaker 1: You're not here boy.
[16:16] Speaker 3: You know, it's just, it's, and I only have to
[16:18] Speaker 3: say this because they're missing the key component that you
[16:22] Speaker 3: never see. Right. You never see Jokic get out of character. And,
[16:30] Speaker 3: and what transpired in that, in that OKC game, I
[16:34] Speaker 3: look at it from a standpoint of, no, you're the three,
[16:38] Speaker 3: three time MVP. that can't happen to you. And I
[16:44] Speaker 3: know people are going to say, well, he's human and
[16:46] Speaker 3: he got to, sometimes you just have to. And I'm
[16:49] Speaker 3: just saying, as far as the edge of you having
[16:53] Speaker 3: something over someone else, you can never allow a moment
[16:56] Speaker 3: to happen where you're saying things like, oh man, I
[17:01] Speaker 3: lost my cool. And now everyone knows that I'm human.
[17:08] Speaker 3: And Because sometimes it's just that mental edge that you
[17:10] Speaker 3: have as an athlete, as a basketball player, football player,
[17:13] Speaker 3: whatever it is. That's where you keep your edge. Whereas
[17:16] Speaker 3: like a player like Kobe, he kept the edge on
[17:19] Speaker 3: a lot of guys because of the mental aspect of
[17:22] Speaker 3: not allowing them to ever feel like they got in.
[17:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is.
[17:27] Speaker 1: I feel like Denver's got the they've done it before.
[17:29] Speaker 1: We talked about this the other day. It's like we
[17:31] Speaker 1: give Minnesota no credit for the fact that they've been
[17:33] Speaker 1: knocking on the door these last two years, right? I
[17:36] Speaker 1: don't think that they're champions, just to be clear, but
[17:38] Speaker 1: it is interesting. Anthony Edwards, he's like, I've seen all
[17:42] Speaker 1: my heroes, and I've taken them all down at least once.
[17:46] Speaker 4: Right?
[17:47] Speaker 2: Every single one of them. He's like, I had something
[17:51] Speaker 2: for all of them.
[17:52] Speaker 3: That's scary for... a team going up against him because
[17:58] Speaker 3: he can rally the troops, and there hasn't been many,
[18:04] Speaker 3: rallying the troops kind of like Kobe, kind of like MJ.
[18:11] Speaker 3: It was interesting to see their growth without Cat because
[18:15] Speaker 3: it becomes a different team. And yes, they're more wide open,
[18:20] Speaker 3: but at the same time, I know we give the
[18:23] Speaker 3: French boy a hard time down low, But he's still
[18:28] Speaker 3: able to get things done on the defensive side.
[18:30] Speaker 2: Right. He's a good player.
[18:34] Speaker 3: Yes. He's a good player. Maybe it's because Shaq keeps
[18:40] Speaker 3: talking about him so bad. It's because everybody.
[18:42] Speaker 1: I don't think any player in the history of the
[18:46] Speaker 1: NBA has ever been less respected in the course of
[18:50] Speaker 1: what will be a Hall of Fame career than Rudy Colbert.
[18:54] Speaker 3: You know... And again, when you think of Rudy Gobert,
[18:59] Speaker 3: do you ever think of highlights?
[19:01] Speaker 2: No.
[19:03] Speaker 3: I just saw the last one. Draymond Hattie. And it's
[19:07] Speaker 3: that picture of him. You didn't see him like, you
[19:12] Speaker 3: better get off me trying to choke me. It was like...
[19:17] Speaker 3: That's the part. But then you watch them in that
[19:24] Speaker 3: game in Denver. I'm watching them like, Rudy, why do
[19:30] Speaker 3: I feel this way? But again, it's part of the whole.
[19:35] Speaker 3: It's Shaq. It's the pictures that we see. It's the things.
[19:40] Speaker 3: It's the low lights that we see instead of the highlights.
[19:45] Speaker 3: And he is, so getting back to facing that, team
[19:50] Speaker 3: with a leader like, ooh, man, AD is just, he,
[19:58] Speaker 3: and I think what stands out about Anthony Edwards right
[20:01] Speaker 3: now is that whole confrontation with the coach. People made
[20:06] Speaker 3: more of it than they should have, but There's many
[20:09] Speaker 3: a times coaches are gonna say pass, hit the open man.
[20:12] Speaker 3: But to see his fire, like, no, I got this.
[20:18] Speaker 3: This is what I do. Yes, it is. But when
[20:22] Speaker 3: you have someone open, it's that moment with Michael Jordan
[20:27] Speaker 3: and Pax. And when Phil Jackson says, Michael, who's open?
[20:32] Speaker 3: And he says, Pax is open. Then get him the ball.
[20:37] Speaker 3: And next thing you know, in L.A., Michael does it once.
[20:41] Speaker 3: Michael does it a couple of times. But it's what
[20:45] Speaker 3: Michael created first and foremost that we understand what he's
[20:49] Speaker 3: able to do before he starts getting it to the
[20:52] Speaker 3: open guys. So I think this is what's scary about
[20:56] Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards is that what he's doing, as you said,
[21:00] Speaker 3: taking down everybody. When you see LeBron James, now listen
[21:03] Speaker 3: to LeBron at the All-Star game. Hey, man, I love
[21:07] Speaker 3: what I see in AD. I want him to keep going.
[21:10] Speaker 3: Now you got people that you've had on the hit list,
[21:14] Speaker 3: so to speak. Now they're giving you compliments like that? Ooh,
[21:19] Speaker 3: that's scary, Bomani. That's why you never heard me say
[21:22] Speaker 3: nothing positive other than the generic, He's a great competitor.
[21:27] Speaker 2: That's what he does.
[21:29] Speaker 3: You're not going to hear me praise no Vince Carter.
[21:34] Speaker 2: You and Vince.
[21:35] Speaker 3: You're not going to hear me praise no Ray Allen.
[21:38] Speaker 1: We wouldn't hear you praise Vince Carter because you just
[21:41] Speaker 1: not go praise.
[21:42] Speaker 2: We wouldn't hear you praise Vince Carter right now.
[21:45] Speaker 3: Sure. I think he was the most talented guy. He
[21:49] Speaker 3: just didn't have that. that other piece that was necessary
[21:53] Speaker 3: some people say the Wizard of Oz I like to
[21:55] Speaker 3: say the Wiz you know ease on down ease on
[21:59] Speaker 3: down the road what I love.
[22:02] Speaker 2: Here what I love here is that you were like
[22:04] Speaker 2: I will.
[22:05] Speaker 1: Compliment him knowing the whole way that in the tuck
[22:09] Speaker 1: you was coming right behind it but talk about that
[22:13] Speaker 1: man's ticker.
[22:15] Speaker 3: Well I'm on the right time right There's no better
[22:20] Speaker 3: time than the right time.
[22:25] Speaker 2: Like, I'd love to get your list because Vince is
[22:27] Speaker 2: the only one that I know.
[22:28] Speaker 1: Like, nobody excites you quite like Vince when it's time
[22:31] Speaker 1: to talk about what ain't.
[22:33] Speaker 3: Well, you know, Vince has some choice things to say.
[22:37] Speaker 3: And I just felt like in our time, Ray Allen,
[22:43] Speaker 3: he could have talked to me too. But Ray and
[22:45] Speaker 3: I were good. It's just, it was a spirit of competition. Whereas,
[22:51] Speaker 3: I look at what, and this is all jokes aside,
[22:56] Speaker 3: Vince was the most talented guy. Like, playing that position,
[23:02] Speaker 3: he had bounce. He could shoot the ball. It wasn't like,
[23:05] Speaker 3: back up, back up. He can't shoot. That wasn't the case.
[23:09] Speaker 3: Vince got kicked out of a game with me, and
[23:12] Speaker 3: he had, like, 38 points. Like, I remember Manu in
[23:16] Speaker 3: the locker room right after the game said, Bruce, I
[23:19] Speaker 3: don't care what you say. You could talk about my mama.
[23:23] Speaker 3: I got 38 on you. I'm going for a career
[23:25] Speaker 3: high on you. But that was the difference in Manu and, say,
[23:30] Speaker 3: Vince Carter. Vince allowed those moments of emotions to get
[23:34] Speaker 3: to him. And who ends up winning? The cooler head
[23:39] Speaker 3: always wins. The cooler head always prevail. So I understood that.
[23:44] Speaker 3: So if I know how to push your buttons, then do-do-do-do-do-do.
[23:48] Speaker 3: Set to blow up in the third quarter at this point. Engage.
[23:54] Speaker 1: It's so fun to know that you weren't accidentally like this.
[24:03] Speaker 2: You were really doing the math.
[24:07] Speaker 3: I tell you, man, I would sit and listen. I
[24:11] Speaker 3: observe because I think I like to observe people and
[24:15] Speaker 3: how they do things. But I remember being at a
[24:19] Speaker 3: place and it's the summertime and this is a star
[24:24] Speaker 3: in the league. And he tells me, hey, you know,
[24:28] Speaker 3: every time we play, you kind of you hit me
[24:31] Speaker 3: a little bit after the shot. You're not supposed to
[24:33] Speaker 3: do that. I said, oh, I'm sorry. My bad. That's
[24:38] Speaker 3: my bad.
[24:39] Speaker 2: Very tough.
[24:40] Speaker 3: Oh, shoot. He don't like it when I.
[24:45] Speaker 4: Man, when these guys started saying all this stuff, I'm recording.
[24:50] Speaker 3: Like, really? Oh, my goodness. I'm getting back to the
[24:56] Speaker 3: crib like, yo, guess what I just found out? In
[25:01] Speaker 3: those moments, it's like, in the most adverse situation, fourth quarter,
[25:07] Speaker 3: let me see How true this is. Let me poke
[25:12] Speaker 3: the bear a little bit. Next thing you know, man,
[25:15] Speaker 3: I'm getting such a reaction. I didn't know that. But
[25:18] Speaker 3: I only knew because they shared that with me.
[25:22] Speaker 2: They just told you, huh?
[25:23] Speaker 3: So thank y'all.
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[29:31] Speaker 2: with Bruce Bowen.
[29:33] Speaker 1: I guess this is what, I want to talk to
[29:35] Speaker 1: you about the Lakers, but I just had.
[29:36] Speaker 2: This moment where I thought about this.
[29:38] Speaker 1: The Clippers are the most interesting defense team that isn't
[29:41] Speaker 1: really winning.
[29:42] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[29:43] Speaker 3: Why you got... You know I got fired for my
[29:45] Speaker 3: comments with the Clippers. You know that.
[29:48] Speaker 2: I thought you... I thought that you would let that go.
[29:52] Speaker 3: No, no, no. I didn't say I was mad about it.
[29:54] Speaker 3: I just said, you know... I did. I did.
[29:56] Speaker 4: I did.
[29:57] Speaker 1: I did. See, this is what was happening right now.
[30:00] Speaker 1: I know you're such a stand-up dude that I can
[30:02] Speaker 1: trust you to be fair, right? Because what is interesting
[30:06] Speaker 1: about it is.
[30:06] Speaker 2: They looked terrible. Then they looked great. Then they gave
[30:12] Speaker 2: up on the season.
[30:13] Speaker 1: But Kawhi Leonard has been incredible this year in a
[30:17] Speaker 1: way you rarely see for a guy playing on a
[30:20] Speaker 1: team that doesn't matter.
[30:22] Speaker 3: Well... I think because of all the stuff that's going
[30:25] Speaker 3: on around Kawhi, it's been one of those situations where
[30:28] Speaker 3: Uncle Dennis is like, hey, man, look here, we can't
[30:31] Speaker 3: back it in. We still got a job to do.
[30:36] Speaker 3: And it goes to that part of professionalism that he's displaying.
[30:43] Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's how the
[30:46] Speaker 3: foundation is within that organization. I think they have a
[30:51] Speaker 3: great coaching staff. Great, Coach. B. Shaw, my man, you
[30:56] Speaker 3: talk about hero, mentor, all that. You have that in him.
[31:03] Speaker 3: He knows how to connect with players. Now you got
[31:06] Speaker 3: Jeff Van Gundy as an assistant who loves the game
[31:10] Speaker 3: of basketball. You know, the Van Gundys, period. They just,
[31:15] Speaker 3: they're born with knowledge of the game. And Ty Lue,
[31:19] Speaker 3: NBA champion, NBA player, a champion as a player, you
[31:25] Speaker 3: have what's necessary there. But then you have Mr. Frank.
[31:30] Speaker 3: That's where, like, everything has to line up in a
[31:36] Speaker 3: way accordingly that's going to continue to allow you to build.
[31:40] Speaker 3: The fact that they, I love that they got ahead
[31:42] Speaker 3: of the situation with James Harden, but it still puts
[31:47] Speaker 3: them back in that scenario of, what are we talking
[31:50] Speaker 3: about here?
[31:51] Speaker 1: Come on.
[31:52] Speaker 3: Sometimes the Clippers just can't not get clipped because they
[31:57] Speaker 3: the Clippers.
[31:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[31:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[32:00] Speaker 1: But hey, the Lakers, I say this, the Clippers, it's
[32:04] Speaker 1: been an interesting season that they could wind up getting
[32:07] Speaker 1: out to play in and feel good about themselves if
[32:10] Speaker 1: they got there, right? I don't think there's anything that
[32:12] Speaker 1: could happen to make the Lakers feel good, right? Like
[32:15] Speaker 1: you have Luka Doncic, you have LeBron James, and you
[32:19] Speaker 1: guys will be lucky if you win two games in
[32:21] Speaker 1: the first round.
[32:24] Speaker 3: Bomani, there's this thing, and I say this to all
[32:28] Speaker 3: leaders when I'm coaching, whether it's corporate setting or giving
[32:32] Speaker 3: a motivational speech or coaching my 14-year-old group. To whom
[32:38] Speaker 3: much is given, much is required. So you've been blessed
[32:43] Speaker 3: with a certain skill set. And because you've been blessed
[32:48] Speaker 3: with a certain skill set, it is so important that
[32:52] Speaker 3: you do all the little things that others will be
[32:58] Speaker 3: able to see a leader in you that they can
[33:01] Speaker 3: get behind. Allah, you have LeBron James on the same
[33:06] Speaker 3: team with Luka. Luka could look at LeBron and say, man,
[33:09] Speaker 3: look at what he's done with his body for the
[33:13] Speaker 3: amount of time he's been in the NBA. Usually by
[33:18] Speaker 3: somebody's 38th year, or I should say being 38 years
[33:22] Speaker 3: of age, you no longer see cut up. You start
[33:26] Speaker 3: to see a little fluff going on that muscle because
[33:29] Speaker 3: they're not working out like they used to. But that's
[33:32] Speaker 3: the example that you see in LeBron, getting out on
[33:35] Speaker 3: fast breaks. If he turns it over now, I mean,
[33:40] Speaker 3: if there's anybody that gets a pass, it's a 40-year-old
[33:43] Speaker 3: getting back on defense. But when I see someone steal
[33:48] Speaker 3: the ball from Luka, and he barely attempts to get
[33:52] Speaker 3: back or he's chatting with the ref because he feels
[33:54] Speaker 3: like he's been wronged. He hit my hand before he
[33:57] Speaker 3: hit the ball. That's where I have the issue of
[34:01] Speaker 3: you are a leader. What message are you sending to
[34:05] Speaker 3: your teammates on the bench? When you don't go hard
[34:09] Speaker 3: because you didn't feel like you got the fair call,
[34:13] Speaker 3: I have an issue with that because I've been around
[34:16] Speaker 3: some greats that it didn't matter Okay, that's what you
[34:20] Speaker 3: want to do? You fouling me. Okay, but they're not
[34:23] Speaker 3: going to call it? All right, I'm not going to
[34:25] Speaker 3: go complain to the official. I'm going to go right
[34:28] Speaker 3: through your nose in order to make my point. Tim Hardaway,
[34:32] Speaker 3: I mean, before he got up in age, competitor. Went
[34:38] Speaker 3: at guys. Oh, yeah, that. Yeah, that. The UTEP two-step.
[34:44] Speaker 3: Watching him. Watching Zoe knowing all he got is a
[34:48] Speaker 3: jump hook. He gonna jump hook you to death or
[34:51] Speaker 3: he gonna dunk on you. But the spirit of competition,
[34:56] Speaker 3: you notice I didn't bring up my other two centers
[35:00] Speaker 3: that just would outthink you, outmaneuver you, and Tim Duncan
[35:03] Speaker 3: and Dave Robinson. That doesn't need to be said. But
[35:07] Speaker 3: to watch a guy who is a critical piece, especially
[35:12] Speaker 3: after what he's gone through in order to get there,
[35:15] Speaker 3: you would think that from that failure of being traded,
[35:19] Speaker 3: that it showed Luka that, man, I need to get
[35:22] Speaker 3: myself together. I need to make sure that that version
[35:26] Speaker 3: of what they saw in Dallas is not a version
[35:28] Speaker 3: they'll ever see with me as a Los Angeles Laker.
[35:33] Speaker 3: But what I see is some of that remnants of
[35:36] Speaker 3: what used to be still showing up.
[35:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this was going to be show and
[35:40] Speaker 2: prove here.
[35:42] Speaker 3: Well, think about this. The beginning of the year, he
[35:45] Speaker 3: came in a little slimmer.
[35:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. It did happen.
[35:52] Speaker 3: But, you know, old habits die hard. I get it.
[35:55] Speaker 3: But he can, with his talent, with his skill set,
[36:00] Speaker 3: he should be doing, I mean, it should not be
[36:03] Speaker 3: clips of us asking or watching J.J. Reddick, you know,
[36:08] Speaker 3: trying to talk to him and he pouting and things
[36:11] Speaker 3: like that. Again, Come on now. It's something to call it.
[36:14] Speaker 3: It's something to call accountability in this. But Manu, you
[36:18] Speaker 3: have a boss to answer to. You can't ever think that,
[36:22] Speaker 3: oh man, shoot, I'm the one. Now you may feel
[36:24] Speaker 3: like you're the one, but you can't ever act like
[36:27] Speaker 3: that when you're not bringing what you're supposed to bring
[36:30] Speaker 3: to the table or else they will what? Find someone else.
[36:35] Speaker 3: And I know that that sounds harsh, but in reality,
[36:40] Speaker 3: that's truly what it is. or you become handcuffed by
[36:44] Speaker 3: a player and his lack of effort from time to time.
[36:49] Speaker 3: And you don't want an organization like that. Those organizations
[36:53] Speaker 3: don't accomplish much in life.
[36:55] Speaker 1: Now I want to go to the East and I've
[36:57] Speaker 1: talked about this on the show and I've talked about
[37:00] Speaker 1: this with you a little bit, but we didn't really
[37:02] Speaker 1: get into it. I'm curious because you have much more
[37:05] Speaker 1: experience as a, obviously as a professional basketball player, I
[37:08] Speaker 1: can only assume that if the Celtics bring Jason Tatum back,
[37:13] Speaker 1: everybody medical involved somehow thinks that this is okay. Okay
[37:18] Speaker 1: and a good idea are two different things. I would
[37:21] Speaker 1: have never dreamed of bringing him back out there this year.
[37:25] Speaker 1: they seem like they're going.
[37:26] Speaker 2: To do it.
[37:27] Speaker 1: And like the idea is, and I'm curious what you
[37:29] Speaker 1: think about this is if Jason Tatum was going to
[37:31] Speaker 1: come off the bench and be Vinnie Johnson and just
[37:33] Speaker 1: gun for 15 minutes a game.
[37:35] Speaker 2: Okay.
[37:35] Speaker 1: Maybe that works, but I don't, I don't know how
[37:38] Speaker 1: you just drop Jason Tatum in coming off an Achilles
[37:41] Speaker 1: with as much uncertainty as we'll have about what that
[37:43] Speaker 1: means about what he has to provide. And everybody like,
[37:46] Speaker 1: I just feel like you look around. I'm like, Oh,
[37:48] Speaker 1: this is normal to everybody. I feel like I'm the crazy.
[37:51] Speaker 3: It, Well, first of all, thank you for giving me
[37:54] Speaker 3: that experience of being a player. You know, it's very
[37:58] Speaker 3: rare that I get those kind of compliments from you, Bomani.
[38:01] Speaker 3: But I like to go back to this. Celtics years
[38:08] Speaker 3: ago had a player by the name of Isaiah Thomas.
[38:12] Speaker 3: And he had an incredible year. He was building up,
[38:16] Speaker 3: carried the team, dealing with so many emotional things. He
[38:20] Speaker 3: lost his sister. and just certain things in life was
[38:23] Speaker 3: taking a toll. But he gave his all to that organization,
[38:26] Speaker 3: playing hurt. Now, as time went on, they found out
[38:32] Speaker 3: that maybe he shouldn't have been playing. And I get it.
[38:37] Speaker 3: This is a business. But at the same time, I
[38:41] Speaker 3: started off today, you and I were talking. I talked
[38:44] Speaker 3: about how as you get older, you got to be
[38:46] Speaker 3: able to conform with the newer nuances of whatever the
[38:50] Speaker 3: game is, whether it's new offensive plays, whether it's different
[38:54] Speaker 3: ways of handling a medical staff. But your investment is
[38:59] Speaker 3: Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum is not a guy that comes
[39:02] Speaker 3: off the bench. Jason Tatum is an individual that's going
[39:06] Speaker 3: to have the ball in his hands for quite some
[39:08] Speaker 3: time because of how good he is. Now, if it's me,
[39:13] Speaker 3: I'm looking at it from the standpoint of I want
[39:16] Speaker 3: to protect my assets. Is it better for me to
[39:19] Speaker 3: have him now or let's start off with a week
[39:22] Speaker 3: of training camp and go from there next season? Right now,
[39:27] Speaker 3: they have a flow with how they do things. I
[39:30] Speaker 3: play for the Miami Heat and I remember when Alonzo
[39:33] Speaker 3: Mourning started coming back to practice, he sat out because
[39:36] Speaker 3: of the whole kidney issue and never knew if he
[39:39] Speaker 3: would play again. But then he showed up at practice
[39:43] Speaker 3: and he was doing conditioning drills and things like that.
[39:46] Speaker 3: Then he started practicing with us And at this time,
[39:50] Speaker 3: Anthony Mason, rest his soul, was an all-star for us
[39:54] Speaker 3: and our team MVP. He was playing the four position.
[39:58] Speaker 3: Brian Grant was at the five. I was at the three.
[40:01] Speaker 3: Eddie Jones at the two. And Tim Hardaway was at
[40:03] Speaker 3: the one. And so Zoe starts practicing with us. And
[40:09] Speaker 3: I'm like, hmm, Zoe's coming back. I don't know what
[40:13] Speaker 3: to think of it because I'm the player. All I'm
[40:16] Speaker 3: looking at from standpoint is, Hey, it's Zoe. He's going
[40:19] Speaker 3: to give us what he used to give us. Well,
[40:21] Speaker 3: Zoe was coming off of a kidney transplant. And because
[40:27] Speaker 3: of that, there were certain things we just didn't know
[40:29] Speaker 3: if he would ever get back to that player. So
[40:33] Speaker 3: I say that to share this. We start, we play
[40:36] Speaker 3: a game. We're incorporating Zoe back in. Mace is unhappy,
[40:40] Speaker 3: not because he doesn't like him, but because the flow
[40:43] Speaker 3: of the game changed. Now the ball was no longer
[40:46] Speaker 3: in Mace's hands. and Mason making decisions. Now, Zoe is
[40:51] Speaker 3: pounding the ball, getting to his shot, and it's created
[40:55] Speaker 3: a disruption. Now everyone is suffering because of that. Maybe
[40:59] Speaker 3: Zoe shouldn't have come back during the season quite like
[41:02] Speaker 3: he did. Now I say, looking ahead, what if now
[41:06] Speaker 3: Jalen's not able to get to touches, or not even Jalen.
[41:09] Speaker 3: It's going to be a role player that's not going
[41:11] Speaker 3: to get touches because Jason is taking a bulk load
[41:15] Speaker 3: of the shots. It's nothing against Jason Tatum. It's just
[41:20] Speaker 3: the disruption that happens during the course of a season,
[41:23] Speaker 3: or let alone the chemistry of what you guys got going. Again,
[41:28] Speaker 3: let me state this because somebody's going to hear this,
[41:30] Speaker 3: Bruce Bowen, and say that Jason Tatum shouldn't play because
[41:33] Speaker 3: he's terrible. That is not what I'm saying. He has
[41:36] Speaker 3: to go through a litany of different things. Do we
[41:39] Speaker 3: trust the explosion again? And all the things of what
[41:44] Speaker 3: happens during the course of games. How do you make
[41:46] Speaker 3: the adjustment? I don't know if that's necessarily the thing,
[41:49] Speaker 3: but if it's me, I'm protecting my asset, especially in
[41:52] Speaker 3: today's game, and utilize this year off to allow him
[41:57] Speaker 3: to kind of get his body back together and see
[42:02] Speaker 3: the game in a different light.
[42:04] Speaker 2: Let me tell you, this is my feeling.
[42:06] Speaker 1: If you're not going to play Jason Tatum 36 minutes
[42:08] Speaker 1: a game, I don't think you can put him in
[42:10] Speaker 1: front of Joe Mazzulla because that is a crazy person
[42:13] Speaker 1: who really only knows how to go hard. And I
[42:15] Speaker 1: say this as a compliment. Like, I can't believe how
[42:17] Speaker 1: much I've come to, I don't know this man, but
[42:19] Speaker 1: I've come to love.
[42:20] Speaker 2: Him, right?
[42:20] Speaker 1: Like, I appreciate, there's an outright sincerity and he's trying
[42:24] Speaker 1: to win all of this.
[42:25] Speaker 2: You know, he a little different.
[42:27] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[42:30] Speaker 3: We like to call it no fluff.
[42:32] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[42:34] Speaker 1: All he knows is what is directly in front of him.
[42:37] Speaker 1: That is all it is. But you're not going to
[42:40] Speaker 1: give him Jason Tatum and he'll be like, cool, I'll
[42:41] Speaker 1: just play him 10 minutes. His brain does not operate
[42:45] Speaker 1: like that.
[42:46] Speaker 3: Can I just give you this? When Joe was at
[42:50] Speaker 3: West Virginia, he didn't play a lot his freshman year,
[42:53] Speaker 3: sophomore year. He didn't play a whole lot. But he
[42:56] Speaker 3: got to start against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament, I
[42:59] Speaker 3: believe it was. And they beat him, and he has
[43:01] Speaker 3: 17 points. But what he talked about in his post-game interview,
[43:06] Speaker 3: it wasn't, yeah, you know, coaches finally realized what I
[43:10] Speaker 3: could do, and I'm just happy I got a chance
[43:12] Speaker 3: to do it. That wasn't what he said. What he
[43:15] Speaker 3: talked about, he said, my freshman year, because of our length,
[43:19] Speaker 3: I said, man, we could be a really good 1-3-1
[43:21] Speaker 3: zone team, and if we could just incorporate things because
[43:25] Speaker 3: of our length. My point in all that? as when
[43:29] Speaker 3: others are trying to get buckets, he's thinking about the
[43:32] Speaker 3: game at another level. No fluff. He is about that
[43:37] Speaker 3: life of how can I make this group better? Oh,
[43:41] Speaker 3: he's with me? Let's go. 38 minutes. Absolutely. 30 plus minutes.
[43:45] Speaker 3: Because with coaches that are always thinking of making it better,
[43:50] Speaker 3: they do not like seeing players that can't play suit
[43:53] Speaker 3: up because they will make the mistake of saying, so-and-so,
[43:56] Speaker 3: get in there for so-and-so. So for him, He doesn't
[43:59] Speaker 3: need to see Jason at all if he's not going
[44:02] Speaker 3: to utilize him. Once he starts seeing Jason, now it
[44:06] Speaker 3: starts happening. Sorry.
[44:10] Speaker 2: And then somebody got to be the one to try
[44:11] Speaker 2: to explain.
[44:12] Speaker 3: It to him. Who going to out-explain? Who going to
[44:17] Speaker 3: out-explain why this is not good? Brad can't even do it.
[44:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, Brad can't even explain that to him. And look,
[44:23] Speaker 1: I give Brad credit. Ime, I think, was a fairly
[44:26] Speaker 1: obvious hire. Or that was one that a lot of
[44:29] Speaker 1: other people would have made. Now, when he hired Mazzulli,
[44:31] Speaker 1: he was in a position where he kind of had
[44:32] Speaker 1: to because Ime, right?
[44:35] Speaker 2: And I thought in year one, we were like, hey,
[44:36] Speaker 2: I don't know about this.
[44:37] Speaker 1: And in year two, when they brought Cassell in as
[44:39] Speaker 1: an assistant, I don't know about you, but my thought
[44:41] Speaker 1: was your replacement is right there if you don't get
[44:45] Speaker 1: this straight. And nope, it's worked. And then this year,
[44:48] Speaker 1: this has been coach of the year level stuff that he.
[44:52] Speaker 2: Has managed to done. Dude, got to give it to Brad.
[44:54] Speaker 2: Brad was like, nah, I think I see something in
[44:57] Speaker 2: this dude.
[44:57] Speaker 3: Well, you think about Brad's mindset, how he thinks the
[45:02] Speaker 3: game and how he's a great thinker of the game.
[45:05] Speaker 3: Even at Butler, you know, what he was able to
[45:07] Speaker 3: do there. So I think it gets kind of brushed
[45:13] Speaker 3: off to the side of when they were putting a
[45:16] Speaker 3: staff together, what Brad saw in Joe. He saw that
[45:22] Speaker 3: person that we see now. And a lot of times
[45:25] Speaker 3: in these situations, Brad is so proud of what Joe
[45:29] Speaker 3: has been able to accomplish, not because it's tagged to him,
[45:34] Speaker 3: but because these are the things that Brad saw. And
[45:38] Speaker 3: Brad didn't know if Joe would ever get an opportunity
[45:41] Speaker 3: within the Celtic organization To be able to do this. Now,
[45:46] Speaker 3: that's not to say that Joe wouldn't have gone elsewhere
[45:48] Speaker 3: and maybe had a head coaching opportunity. But within this organization,
[45:54] Speaker 3: no one knew that the whole email deal would happen
[45:56] Speaker 3: the way it did. So more than anything, Brad is
[46:00] Speaker 3: thrilled with the mind that he knew Joe had because
[46:04] Speaker 3: we're talking about a guy in college again. nobody. I
[46:07] Speaker 3: know my teammates weren't thinking about no doggone 1-3-1. I
[46:13] Speaker 3: had some thugs. I had a guy hit our coach
[46:16] Speaker 3: one time at practice.
[46:18] Speaker 2: At Fullerton?
[46:19] Speaker 3: At Fullerton.
[46:20] Speaker 1: Man, that was the.
[46:20] Speaker 3: Last time I saw that brother. When he punched me, pow!
[46:23] Speaker 3: And he walked straight out of the gym. Now, the
[46:26] Speaker 3: coach was over there like, you, you, you, you, you, you. Yeah,
[46:30] Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, coach, he went that way. Oh, coach,
[46:33] Speaker 3: your eyes are a little crossed right now. But That
[46:37] Speaker 3: was the last time I saw that player. But, you know,
[46:41] Speaker 3: I had players like that. Guys weren't thinking on that
[46:44] Speaker 3: level of like it's only been few that I've been
[46:48] Speaker 3: on the bench with. Like Jack Vaughn is another one
[46:50] Speaker 3: that that is a great thinker of the game. And
[46:53] Speaker 3: to see him go back to Kansas now and and possibly,
[46:57] Speaker 3: you know, lead that group. It only makes sense.
[47:01] Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Pistons because I
[47:03] Speaker 1: know Bruce Bowen well, and I know the kind of
[47:05] Speaker 1: team that Bruce Bowen going to like.
[47:07] Speaker 2: And that is a Bruce Bowen team right there. I
[47:09] Speaker 2: see you can't even sit still talking about him.
[47:12] Speaker 4: I can't.
[47:13] Speaker 3: I will say this. I'm going to go another direction.
[47:16] Speaker 3: Of course, what Bickerstaff is doing there, I love it
[47:20] Speaker 3: because he's just come in and connected with those guys.
[47:23] Speaker 3: I think when it comes to NBA, it's truly about
[47:26] Speaker 3: your connection with players. And it starts with Cade Cunningham.
[47:31] Speaker 3: I saw K when he was a sophomore in high school.
[47:34] Speaker 3: I used to work this or observe. I said work
[47:37] Speaker 3: on accident. Whoops. But the Nike league camp, man, and
[47:41] Speaker 3: he would, he would compete against all these guards. And
[47:44] Speaker 3: at that time it was Jalen green. He and Jalen
[47:46] Speaker 3: green were the one, two, one, two. And K would
[47:50] Speaker 3: come down, man, get an M one. And you know, everybody. Okay.
[47:57] Speaker 3: Get hit. He just turned around, run back on defense.
[48:00] Speaker 4: And.
[48:01] Speaker 3: I saw it in him his senior year, then I
[48:03] Speaker 3: saw it when he was at Oklahoma State. And I'm
[48:06] Speaker 3: so proud of that group because of what he has
[48:10] Speaker 3: as far as the leadership there. Detroit has always had
[48:14] Speaker 3: great leaders. Joe Dumars, Chauncey Billups. And now you enter
[48:20] Speaker 3: into the mix as players on the floor, Cade Cunningham.
[48:25] Speaker 3: You take Amir, not Amir Johnson, it's his twin.
[48:27] Speaker 2: No, you're talking about Assar. Who?
[48:30] Speaker 4: Man.
[48:31] Speaker 3: I'm like, how did you get two kids with all
[48:34] Speaker 3: that athleticism? Him going up against Jalen Brunson last year has, again,
[48:43] Speaker 3: I talked about we only learn in our failures. That
[48:46] Speaker 3: moment in time will always be in his head. And
[48:51] Speaker 3: that's only going to make him better. The big man
[48:53] Speaker 3: down low. Man, I almost want to call him Orlando
[48:56] Speaker 3: Woolridge because he looks so much like him with that zero.
[49:01] Speaker 3: You talk about enforcer, you gotta have somebody that got
[49:05] Speaker 3: your back, man. And he for sure got everybody's back.
[49:09] Speaker 3: Let him come on in here. I'll show you what
[49:11] Speaker 3: I'm gonna do to him. Well, he got guys scared
[49:13] Speaker 3: to drive the ball.
[49:15] Speaker 2: Well, and then they bring Stewart off the bench.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Like, it is amazing It is amazing that the Pistons,
[49:20] Speaker 1: this is the third incarnation of this model that they
[49:23] Speaker 1: have broken out of a team.
[49:25] Speaker 3: It works. Omani, it works for them. I can't think
[49:30] Speaker 3: of another organization other than San Antonio where you put
[49:33] Speaker 3: a centerpiece as far as a big man and you
[49:36] Speaker 3: build around it. It's the hard work. It's the lunch pail.
[49:41] Speaker 3: I'm bringing my hard hat. It's those things that work
[49:45] Speaker 3: in Detroit. You don't have Detroit as a, hey, we're
[49:49] Speaker 3: going to get up and down. We want to shoot 27,
[49:52] Speaker 3: 43s a game. No, that ends up just a bad
[49:55] Speaker 3: team in the East. We have enough of that. So
[49:58] Speaker 3: you get a team that can buy in on that
[50:01] Speaker 3: aspect of things. We're going to work hard. We're going
[50:03] Speaker 3: to do everything that we need to do with purpose.
[50:07] Speaker 3: And I love what Bigger Staff and his staff is
[50:09] Speaker 3: doing down there with that.
[50:11] Speaker 2: What do you think about your man Stewart?
[50:15] Speaker 3: Which one?
[50:16] Speaker 2: Isaiah.
[50:17] Speaker 4: Oof.
[50:20] Speaker 3: I mean, Bomani, it seems like there's always mess. But
[50:30] Speaker 3: the thing is, he got a little Ron Artest in him.
[50:36] Speaker 3: from the standpoint that it was like, hey, hey, hey,
[50:38] Speaker 3: come on back over here. Don't go over there. Don't
[50:40] Speaker 3: go over there. But he's like, nah, nah, nah.
[50:42] Speaker 2: I got to go over there. Nobody ever called the
[50:46] Speaker 2: cops on Rod.
[50:48] Speaker 1: That dude put his son's car on the cops.
[50:54] Speaker 3: So, but now I know we joke about it and
[50:59] Speaker 3: that's all it is, ladies and gentlemen. It's jokes because,
[51:02] Speaker 3: but Somebody is able to connect with him. And this
[51:08] Speaker 3: was his way to get in. And yes, you are
[51:12] Speaker 3: an enforcer as well. But let's, as they say with
[51:19] Speaker 3: deli meats, let's curate it to a point where they're
[51:23] Speaker 3: not calling the po-po. Yeah.
[51:28] Speaker 2: We got to stop there.
[51:30] Speaker 1: Because at first, I was judging that man for calling 5-0.
[51:33] Speaker 1: And then I think it was Obi-Wan who hit me
[51:35] Speaker 1: up and was like, nah, he the one that's in
[51:37] Speaker 1: this situation. Apparently, it sounded like he had been told
[51:42] Speaker 1: that it was on-site in perpetuity.
[51:48] Speaker 3: I know we come from that generation where there was
[51:52] Speaker 3: a fight, but then they let it go. I think
[51:55] Speaker 3: the worst... The worst one was Doug Christie and Rick Fox,
[52:01] Speaker 3: two light-skinned brothers.
[52:02] Speaker 2: It was beige rage. It was a lot of beige rage.
[52:07] Speaker 3: I'd never heard that word, beige rage. But I mean,
[52:12] Speaker 3: they really took that thing to another level because we
[52:18] Speaker 3: pretty boys ain't supposed to do that. But can you
[52:21] Speaker 3: imagine some of those folks that's like, yo, dog, I'm
[52:23] Speaker 3: out of the mud. I don't care about this. When
[52:26] Speaker 3: a person says they don't care or say less, that's
[52:34] Speaker 3: bad news to me. That's bad news to me. But
[52:37] Speaker 3: there was a player, he went to Wake Forest, played
[52:44] Speaker 3: with the Heat, Johnson.
[52:46] Speaker 2: James Johnson. James Johnson know Kung Fu, one of them.
[52:50] Speaker 3: Man, look at him. I would probably apologize him if
[52:56] Speaker 3: I fouled him. Hey, brother, look here. I am so sorry.
[53:00] Speaker 3: That was not intentional. The only other person I could
[53:04] Speaker 3: think of in that situation was Charles Oakley. Oak still
[53:08] Speaker 3: might smack you. I was at the Bellagio one time,
[53:14] Speaker 3: and we were on a craps table, and Oak just
[53:16] Speaker 3: got back into the Bellagio. And we gambling, and we
[53:20] Speaker 3: having a good time. Now, Oak got a bunch of
[53:22] Speaker 3: chips that he's putting on the come line. And this
[53:27] Speaker 3: is new to me. I only know Blackjack. I know
[53:29] Speaker 3: how to count to 21. Okay. So I take one
[53:33] Speaker 3: of my chips and I put it down there like, hey.
[53:37] Speaker 3: And 12 came up. So 12 pays like 30 to 1,
[53:41] Speaker 3: the odds there. And so they give Oak all his chips.
[53:47] Speaker 3: And I said, what about mine? And the guy was like,
[53:50] Speaker 3: you put it down too late. And Oak said, y'all
[53:53] Speaker 3: better pay my boy his money or else ain't nobody playing.
[53:56] Speaker 3: And I was like, they gave me my chips, Bomani.
[54:03] Speaker 3: I left. I was like, mm-mm, mm-mm. No, no, no, no.
[54:10] Speaker 3: I just, there's just a mm-mm. And he was helping
[54:14] Speaker 3: me out.
[54:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about it. He scared the Jesus out of me.
[54:17] Speaker 2: That time he was helping you out.
[54:21] Speaker 3: That's the part where it's like, ooh, man, what if
[54:24] Speaker 3: he was mad?
[54:26] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[54:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this. You've been to Cade Cunningham.
[54:30] Speaker 1: I watched Cade Cunningham play one game in college. It
[54:33] Speaker 1: was at Oklahoma State. It was either the conference tournament.
[54:37] Speaker 2: Or it was the NCAA tournament. I can't remember which.
[54:40] Speaker 1: And what always stuck out to me was after every play,
[54:43] Speaker 1: he was the bring it in dude. And I watched
[54:45] Speaker 1: how fast all those other dudes ran to him. when
[54:49] Speaker 1: he brought it in. And I was like, oh, we
[54:52] Speaker 1: got something going on here. Like a Mike Conley type
[54:54] Speaker 1: of situation. Where I wasn't, he's a better player than
[54:57] Speaker 1: Mike Conley. At that time, I wasn't sure exactly how
[55:00] Speaker 1: good he was. Like my question for him at the
[55:01] Speaker 1: NBA was, like it was with Mike Conley. Your team
[55:05] Speaker 1: has to be a certain level of good for you
[55:07] Speaker 1: to get the Mike Conley benefits out of it.
[55:10] Speaker 2: But if y'all are sorry, Mike Conley can make you better.
[55:12] Speaker 2: But if you're good, Mike Conley can help make you
[55:15] Speaker 2: very good.
[55:17] Speaker 3: And I think that's because of all the noise surrounding
[55:23] Speaker 3: him going to Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had hired his
[55:26] Speaker 3: brother the year before. And at least that's what I
[55:30] Speaker 3: remember in that scenario. But you cannot put a price
[55:36] Speaker 3: tag on leadership. Leadership is something that's not about the
[55:42] Speaker 3: price tag. It is who the individuals are. You brought
[55:47] Speaker 3: up a great point in Mike Conley. There are a
[55:50] Speaker 3: lot of people that felt like Mike Conley shouldn't be
[55:53] Speaker 3: in the NBA. There are people that thought less of
[55:57] Speaker 3: him because he played with Greg Oden in college, as
[56:01] Speaker 3: well as the AAU scene. But what you've been able
[56:04] Speaker 3: to see from Mike Conley was something that has always
[56:07] Speaker 3: been who he was. He's been a great leader wherever
[56:10] Speaker 3: he's been. And so when we talk about Cade, You
[56:15] Speaker 3: talk about a leader that's tough. You know, when they
[56:19] Speaker 3: played the San Antonio Spurs and he chucked Wimby, it
[56:24] Speaker 3: wasn't all like, no, ref, he ran into me. No,
[56:27] Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I did it. And that's what you
[56:31] Speaker 3: want from your leader. But also the leader that he
[56:34] Speaker 3: hit also knocked down a three the very next play. Yeah. Yeah.
[56:42] Speaker 1: I got one last thing with you, Bruce Bowen, before
[56:44] Speaker 1: we get out of here, because we were talking about
[56:45] Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Celtics if they bring
[56:48] Speaker 1: Jason Tatum back. And just speaking hypothetically here, if Bruce
[56:54] Speaker 1: Bowen was playing out there with Jason Tatum, would it
[56:58] Speaker 1: be the second quarter or the fourth quarter?
[57:01] Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
[57:02] Speaker 1: Not that you would kick him in the back of
[57:03] Speaker 1: the leg, but like... Just leave it in the air.
[57:08] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, like, let it,
[57:10] Speaker 2: let it, let it.
[57:11] Speaker 3: No, no, no. This, this, this is another one of
[57:13] Speaker 3: those great questions you have. You know, um, you said
[57:19] Speaker 3: if I was playing today, right today. Okay. Uh, again,
[57:24] Speaker 3: I love your work, Bomani. I mean, I think you are,
[57:26] Speaker 3: you know, it's no surprise that you are where you are. Um,
[57:33] Speaker 3: being at it's me and, and, You know, I've been
[57:38] Speaker 3: known to get close to guys. Jason Tatum, I have
[57:43] Speaker 3: a lot of respect for. And because I have a
[57:46] Speaker 3: lot of respect for him, I'm going to play hard
[57:48] Speaker 3: against him. Now, this is Bruce Bowen, 32 years old.
[57:51] Speaker 2: Okay.
[57:52] Speaker 4: Or 28.
[57:52] Speaker 3: I understand that they watching me. I understand. So, I'm
[58:12] Speaker 3: going to try and play a physical game and continue
[58:23] Speaker 3: to stress that I know that they're watching me. I
[58:27] Speaker 3: got you. I got you. I got you.
[58:29] Speaker 4: Officials!
[58:30] Speaker 3: Officials! Hey, I can do this.
[58:34] Speaker 1: I just had so many flashbacks to you and that
[58:38] Speaker 1: number 12 when you went like this.
[58:40] Speaker 2: Like if they put a statue of you in front
[58:42] Speaker 2: of the building, it's going.
[58:43] Speaker 3: To be you going just like this. Have you seen this, man?
[58:46] Speaker 3: Wearing that jersey.
[58:47] Speaker 1: You're out here looking like a mob trying.
[58:50] Speaker 2: To make a scene. What are you talking about?
[58:52] Speaker 3: Well, my answer is because officials are taught that if
[58:58] Speaker 3: they see this action, they call fouls. So if my
[59:02] Speaker 3: hands are here... In.
[59:05] Speaker 4: Boston.
[59:10] Speaker 3: I'm going to show my hands. And more importantly, Bomani,
[59:15] Speaker 3: because of the rules of the game today, Harper got
[59:23] Speaker 3: called for a flagrant one. He contested the shot and
[59:32] Speaker 3: Jalen came down next to his foot. Bruce Bowen would
[59:37] Speaker 3: be as he contests and I come down before either
[59:41] Speaker 3: running away so that they can't say that I did
[59:44] Speaker 3: something illegal. Yep.
[59:46] Speaker 1: Because it wasn't illegal where Bruce Bowen played. And then
[59:50] Speaker 1: in today's day and age.
[59:52] Speaker 3: I need to drink my tea.
[59:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just saying, man, you know, what are you saying?
[59:57] Speaker 3: Bomani?
[59:58] Speaker 2: What are you saying?
[59:59] Speaker 1: Some people got things named after him. Sometimes it's a statue.
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a building. Sometimes it's a park. Sometimes it's
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: a rule. You know what I'm saying?
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: You know what? I told my therapist that you would
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: do this. You would do this around this time. But
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: I'm not even fazed by what you're saying, Mama. I'm
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: not even fazed by what you're saying. I just seem
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: to have a rash right now because all the forgiveness
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: that I've given you. And brother.
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: You a legend, brother. You a legend. I'm giving you
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: credit for being a legend.
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: No, no, no. See, you just pouring gasoline and alcohol at.
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: The same time on the fire. You a legend. They
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: should have named the airport after you. But instead, they
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: just decided to give you a rule.
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: Actually, though, to be fair, it's the Zaza rule. It
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: ain't even the Bruce Bowen rule. It's the Zaza rule.
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: Well, what did Zaza do?
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: That's right.
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: Hello.
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: That's right.
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: When it happened to me, y'all don't talk about when
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: it happened to me. See, it happened. Look, it happened
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: to me with Baron Davis. Now what? Yeah, you're right.
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: You're right.
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: You know what? We need to take that up.
[1:01:09] Speaker 3: I don't like your tone right now. No, no, no.
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: You're just doing that to comply.
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: You know what? Not as you mentioned, you're right. It's
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: the Bruce Bowen rule because they did it to you. See, see, see, see, see, see.
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: Take that compliment, Bruce Baldwin. Take that compliment.
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: That is not what I'm doing. That is not what
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: I'm doing. I know it's not.
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: I know it's not.
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: I tell you this, Bomani, I really do enjoy talking
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: to you sometimes. But it seems like it always go
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: a certain direction with you.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: But I bring it back to love. You know what
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: I'm saying? Oh, there it is. That's my man. That
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: was just.
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: I was waiting for the chef in you to bring
[1:01:54] Speaker 3: it back. You know, you just did your marinade with me.
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: And now, you about to go burn up, I mean,
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: cook some stuff.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is Bruce Bowen, my brother. It is
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: always a pleasure, man. I appreciate you joining us.
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: Absolutely, brother.
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: All right, Maddie.
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