# College Football chaos, Sports media's gambling obsession, Deion Sanders' done? | 10.29

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 30 Oct 2025, 1 h 02 min.

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The Ringer's Joel Anderson joins Bomani Jones. First, they discuss the run of firings in college football and whether LSU made a mistake by getting rid of Brian Kelly. Later, they discuss the NBA's gambling scandal and whether sports media are equipped to cover the current crisis. Finally, they ask if Deion Sanders will remain at Colorado after this season ends. 03:30 - Did LSU make a mistake? 19:00 - Places Bo & Joel are scared of 31:50 - Sports Media & Gambling 51:40 - Is the Deion Sander experiment over? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:10] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
[0:12] Speaker 1: get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like,
[0:16] Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
[0:18] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater. And this is that time of week where
[0:24] Speaker 1: we have a hater join us, coming to us live
[0:26] Speaker 1: from D.C. Check him out on the Ranger tailgate. And
[0:30] Speaker 1: please note he has a framed jersey behind him with
[0:33] Speaker 1: his last name, not because he liked the player, just because.
[0:37] Speaker 2: It says Anderson on it. Joel Anderson, what's going on?
[0:40] Speaker 3: What kind of introduction is that?
[0:43] Speaker 4: What do you want this podcast episode to be? What
[0:47] Speaker 4: do you mean? What do you want it to be?
[0:49] Speaker 1: Look, I have identified you.
[0:52] Speaker 4: In the way that.
[0:54] Speaker 1: I've identified you the way the audience knows you and
[1:00] Speaker 1: recognizes you. So once I say that, they're like, oh,
[1:03] Speaker 1: it's going to be Joel.
[1:04] Speaker 4: No, no, no. People know me for, I would hope,
[1:07] Speaker 4: some of my other work, you know, about Clarence Thomas,
[1:10] Speaker 4: Slow Burn 8, Slow Burn 6, the L.A. Riots, the
[1:14] Speaker 4: piece I wrote on Michael Sam.
[1:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, we told them about that.
[1:17] Speaker 1: We told them about that when you was the fastest
[1:19] Speaker 1: 10-year-old in America.
[1:20] Speaker 4: See, I mean, you know, I mean, look, I just
[1:23] Speaker 4: want everybody that watches this show to see what is
[1:27] Speaker 4: going on here.
[1:28] Speaker 3: I'm not even.
[1:28] Speaker 4: What? I gave you.
[1:29] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[1:30] Speaker 4: I have not said anything negative about both. Hold on,
[1:31] Speaker 4: hold on, hold on.
[1:32] Speaker 1: I got attacked.
[1:32] Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on.
[1:34] Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I want to be clear.
[1:36] Speaker 1: You seem to be taking the 10 year old thing personally,
[1:39] Speaker 1: as if the only, the only reason I know this
[1:41] Speaker 1: is not because you told us about it repeated.
[1:44] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I just kind of felt like you
[1:45] Speaker 4: just leaped over. You left over a lot of other things.
[1:47] Speaker 4: I was going through a list of some of my,
[1:49] Speaker 4: you know, I was, in fact, I was going to
[1:51] Speaker 4: bring up my LinkedIn and go through all my honors
[1:54] Speaker 4: and achievements. And I was going to read them off here.
[1:56] Speaker 4: So people know that there's more to me than running
[1:58] Speaker 4: fast when I was 10 years old. And, allegedly being
[2:02] Speaker 4: a hater and i don't think i'm a hater at
[2:03] Speaker 4: all and i don't think.
[2:04] Speaker 1: People really think that division.
[2:07] Speaker 4: One really believe that i'm.
[2:08] Speaker 2: A hater division one college athlete.
[2:11] Speaker 3: There you go thank you i appreciate that man thanks.
[2:14] Speaker 1: Because if you start rattling off your achievements that's gonna
[2:16] Speaker 1: give me some professional ptsd that i don't necessarily need.
[2:21] Speaker 3: What what professional ptsd.
[2:25] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[2:25] Speaker 1: Listen to me now, believe me later on.
[2:27] Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying?
[2:29] Speaker 3: I got you.
[2:30] Speaker 1: I got you. Anyway, I mentioned you on the Ranger
[2:33] Speaker 1: tailgate with Van Lathan and Tay Frazier, both of whom,
[2:37] Speaker 1: I mean, I guess TCU has a football team this year.
[2:40] Speaker 1: We just don't ever talk about it, but that's better
[2:42] Speaker 1: than they football teams. They got LSU and North Carolina,
[2:44] Speaker 1: and you would much rather have a football team that
[2:46] Speaker 1: don't nobody really talk about than be like them.
[2:49] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's a hell of a windup.
[2:51] Speaker 4: Of those teams, Of those three programs, mine is the
[2:54] Speaker 4: only one that has recently played in a national championship game.
[2:57] Speaker 3: But fair enough.
[2:57] Speaker 1: This is true. And the only one to lose by
[3:00] Speaker 1: 50-something points.
[3:02] Speaker 3: You got to be in it to win it, though.
[3:03] Speaker 2: That's very true.
[3:04] Speaker 3: You got to be in it to win it.
[3:04] Speaker 2: You're not wrong.
[3:05] Speaker 3: You got to be in it. You're not wrong.
[3:07] Speaker 4: And I mean, they are going, it is very weird
[3:09] Speaker 4: how they're going through like really miserable football years at
[3:13] Speaker 4: the same time we all got thrown together. Because I mean,
[3:17] Speaker 4: I thought North, I didn't think North Carolina would be good.
[3:21] Speaker 4: But I didn't think they would be as bad as
[3:22] Speaker 4: they were. Although I will say they do seem to
[3:24] Speaker 4: be better the last couple of weeks. The last couple
[3:26] Speaker 4: of games.
[3:26] Speaker 3: Are doing better.
[3:27] Speaker 4: And the LSU thing, man, like. What can we I mean. I,
[3:35] Speaker 4: I think that all of them are being ridiculous.
[3:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, because you believe that Penn State should not have
[3:41] Speaker 1: fired Franklin and you believe that LSU should not have
[3:43] Speaker 1: fired Brian Kelly.
[3:44] Speaker 4: I think that the odds are that at some point
[3:47] Speaker 4: in the next five to 10 years, that one of
[3:49] Speaker 4: those guys would figure it out.
[3:50] Speaker 3: If not both of them, that they would get eventually right.
[3:53] Speaker 1: Fast.
[3:53] Speaker 2: How do you define, figure it out?
[3:55] Speaker 3: Well, they would go in a championship, national championship, a
[3:58] Speaker 3: national championship.
[3:58] Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that one of them would just cause
[4:00] Speaker 4: you know, some years things don't break your way. You
[4:03] Speaker 4: have fumbles or whatever, but then one year, you know,
[4:06] Speaker 4: Ohio state's replacing a quarterback or they lose a bunch
[4:09] Speaker 4: of guys to injury or Ryan day decides he wants to,
[4:12] Speaker 4: Be the coach of the New York Giants. Things like
[4:14] Speaker 4: that happen. And eventually, they would be in position to
[4:17] Speaker 4: seize on that. Because, I mean, I just, I wonder
[4:20] Speaker 4: if Brian Kelly had another, because LSU should be used
[4:25] Speaker 4: to eight and four. That's the thing. I dig that.
[4:27] Speaker 3: Acting like they're too good to go eight and four.
[4:29] Speaker 4: Oh. They acting like they're too good to go eight
[4:32] Speaker 4: and four. And that is really the story of their program,
[4:35] Speaker 4: but for the exceptional few seasons, right?
[4:37] Speaker 5: Right.
[4:38] Speaker 2: That is correct.
[4:39] Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question on that front, right?
[4:42] Speaker 1: Because I agree with you on that, that they are,
[4:45] Speaker 1: LSU is plus or minus nine, maybe nine and a half.
[4:48] Speaker 1: Like that's where the line pretty much gets set in
[4:50] Speaker 1: most years, right? But if you settle for plus or
[4:54] Speaker 1: minus nine, will you not always be plus or minus nine?
[4:58] Speaker 1: I feel like at some point you have to show
[4:59] Speaker 1: a little proof of concept. Like I think the problem
[5:01] Speaker 1: for Franklin and why I thought, okay, you guys had
[5:03] Speaker 1: to do this. It wasn't about the wins and losses.
[5:05] Speaker 1: It's which wins and which losses. And at some point
[5:09] Speaker 1: you got to win the ones that matter. So it
[5:11] Speaker 1: was very interesting. Mack Brown survived losing five years in
[5:14] Speaker 1: a row to Oklahoma when he was at Texas. In
[5:16] Speaker 1: an embarrassing fashion.
[5:18] Speaker 5: Right.
[5:18] Speaker 1: But he was kicking A & M' s teeth in along
[5:21] Speaker 1: the way. And look, he was one terrible pass interference
[5:25] Speaker 1: call in 2004 away. From losing that job. The Kansas
[5:29] Speaker 1: call where Mark Mangino was like, the fix is in.
[5:31] Speaker 1: And I was like, I understand why you feel that way, brother.
[5:37] Speaker 1: It looks that way. But I guess for schools on
[5:41] Speaker 1: that level, look, LSU has won three national championships in
[5:43] Speaker 1: the last 25 years. Right. I get maybe why they
[5:47] Speaker 1: feel that way, but at the same time with you,
[5:49] Speaker 1: I feel where you're like, okay, these results are not
[5:52] Speaker 1: terribly out of line, but do you not add something
[5:55] Speaker 1: to the fact that don't nobody like that man?
[5:57] Speaker 4: Oh, that is the whole ball game with Brian Kelly.
[6:03] Speaker 4: I knew that he wasn't liked. Did you know that
[6:06] Speaker 4: he was the most reviled man in college football? Because
[6:09] Speaker 4: that is certainly what it seems to be. It has
[6:11] Speaker 4: been very hard to even find former players to say, hey, thanks,
[6:15] Speaker 4: Brian Kelly, for believing in me.
[6:17] Speaker 1: Hey, man. I called a former player when he took
[6:21] Speaker 1: the LSU job because, again, I was struck that he
[6:24] Speaker 1: did not bring a single assistant with him. And a
[6:27] Speaker 1: bunch of them stayed with that wavy-headed boy at Notre Dame, right?
[6:32] Speaker 4: Which seems like a very dangerous prospect, by the way.
[6:35] Speaker 1: That was a risky play.
[6:36] Speaker 4: Let me say with the brother here at Notre Dame,
[6:38] Speaker 4: or let me go to Brian Kelly winning coach going
[6:40] Speaker 4: to LSU.
[6:41] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level coach, right? Now, look, I don't
[6:43] Speaker 1: know if Brian Kelly asked any of them to come, whatever,
[6:46] Speaker 1: but I asked a former player of his, I was like,
[6:49] Speaker 1: so is there anything that we're getting wrong here about
[6:51] Speaker 1: Brian Kelly? And he said, just no. Like he wasn't
[6:56] Speaker 1: mad about it. He didn't express any disdain. Like he
[6:59] Speaker 1: seems to just not have relationships at all.
[7:01] Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I was reading the top of a
[7:05] Speaker 4: story from ESPN like a few years ago where it
[7:08] Speaker 4: talked about some assistants that had worked with him at
[7:09] Speaker 4: Central Michigan. And they thought they were getting invited to
[7:12] Speaker 4: a party at his house. And it turned out he
[7:14] Speaker 4: had them doing work. You remember, it's kind of like
[7:16] Speaker 4: the Hakeem situation when he was in the McDonald's house.
[7:18] Speaker 1: You thought you got invited, now you got to park cars.
[7:20] Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah.
[7:21] Speaker 3: Gave him a little coat.
[7:23] Speaker 4: And they were just like, and I learned through that
[7:25] Speaker 4: experience that if I ever got in that position, I
[7:26] Speaker 4: would never treat somebody that way. And I was like,
[7:30] Speaker 4: this is a quote, too, in a story.
[7:32] Speaker 1: I believe there was a name attached to it.
[7:35] Speaker 3: There was a.
[7:35] Speaker 4: Name attached to it. It's like, yo, people do not
[7:38] Speaker 4: have any problem going off on that dude. And yeah,
[7:41] Speaker 4: I mean, he clearly.
[7:42] Speaker 5: The two people involved you're referencing are Matt LaFleur and
[7:46] Speaker 5: Robert Sala.
[7:47] Speaker 3: And they were on the record.
[7:48] Speaker 4: Robert Sala.
[7:50] Speaker 1: Ryan rarely jumps in on the two bad episodes. It
[7:54] Speaker 1: had to jump in because LSU fan has run through
[7:59] Speaker 1: all of these.
[8:00] Speaker 4: This is why his ass ain't here no more.
[8:03] Speaker 1: Like Brian Kelly is like eight different levels of the
[8:06] Speaker 1: draft day movie, but nobody came to his birthday party.
[8:10] Speaker 4: Right. Like it's, it's all.
[8:11] Speaker 1: And look, it is. He's not the only thing about this.
[8:15] Speaker 1: As much as you think Nick Saban is a jerk.
[8:18] Speaker 2: People don't talk about Nick Saban like this.
[8:20] Speaker 3: No.
[8:21] Speaker 1: Not even close.
[8:22] Speaker 4: I mean, so there's two things with Nick Saban. And
[8:24] Speaker 4: I always kind of feel like people are scared of
[8:26] Speaker 4: him for whatever reason.
[8:27] Speaker 3: Like, they call him Daddy.
[8:29] Speaker 1: Yes, that's wild.
[8:30] Speaker 4: Homeboy had to diss his homeboy, Steve Sarkeesian. He's like, hey, man,
[8:36] Speaker 4: Daddy's going to be on me if I don't do it.
[8:38] Speaker 3: Was that Pete Golding?
[8:39] Speaker 1: I think it was Pete Golding. It was, but hey, hey, brother.
[8:41] Speaker 1: I don't care what the circumstances or situations are. Could not...
[8:47] Speaker 1: be me. We're going to have to come up with
[8:50] Speaker 1: a different name.
[8:51] Speaker 3: Oh, you're not going to call another man daddy?
[8:53] Speaker 1: We got to draw the line somewhere, baby.
[8:55] Speaker 2: We got to draw the line. We got to draw
[8:57] Speaker 2: the line somewhere.
[8:59] Speaker 1: If somebody getting called daddy and is not your actual daddy,
[9:03] Speaker 1: that is a title that one must earn and one
[9:06] Speaker 1: that Nick Saban cannot.
[9:08] Speaker 2: At least not for me.
[9:10] Speaker 4: I mean, someday Nick Saban has to come into my
[9:13] Speaker 4: house and meet my family and I'm referring to you
[9:16] Speaker 4: as daddy. You know what I'm saying?
[9:17] Speaker 3: In front of my wife and kids.
[9:18] Speaker 1: I just, I just, I don't know.
[9:20] Speaker 3: Maybe that's toxic masculinity or whatever, but.
[9:22] Speaker 1: I imagine, imagine the way your woman is going to
[9:26] Speaker 1: look at you when you call this man daddy.
[9:29] Speaker 4: Yes. Yes. I mean, bro, I just, so, so, but
[9:33] Speaker 4: obviously something is special with him, but also he's excellent.
[9:37] Speaker 4: Like his, the, the, the, you know, it's also, you know,
[9:42] Speaker 4: So we saw Brian Kelly dancing with recruits, right? And
[9:45] Speaker 4: it looked goofy as hell.
[9:46] Speaker 3: Right.
[9:46] Speaker 4: We've seen Nick Saban do the Cupid Shuffle, and he
[9:49] Speaker 4: looked like he was on beat, on time with all
[9:51] Speaker 4: of it.
[9:52] Speaker 3: Yes.
[9:52] Speaker 4: So obviously, he's also just got a little swag. He
[9:55] Speaker 4: carries himself different. Brian Kelly ain't got none of that, man.
[9:58] Speaker 2: No.
[9:59] Speaker 1: And at a place where they like their coaches to
[10:01] Speaker 1: be fun in some form or fashion like Louisiana is
[10:05] Speaker 1: not a boring place like it's just you got to
[10:08] Speaker 1: provide some measure of entertainment but let me tell you
[10:10] Speaker 1: our last show we talked about the fact that it
[10:12] Speaker 1: doesn't feel like any jobs are good anymore no right
[10:15] Speaker 1: like there's no the pressure at every job is now
[10:20] Speaker 1: professional caliber pressure. And you're looking at a three, four,
[10:24] Speaker 1: five year sort of schedule.
[10:26] Speaker 2: Because again, we've talked about this before.
[10:27] Speaker 1: It is entirely possible that Auburn is going to come
[10:30] Speaker 1: open as a job. Like that one is still on
[10:32] Speaker 1: the board as one that could come out there. Florida State,
[10:35] Speaker 1: I don't think any of us think it's possible that
[10:36] Speaker 1: they don't make a move. I think North Carolina has
[10:38] Speaker 1: no choice but to make a move. How much money
[10:43] Speaker 1: would you have to pay to get somebody to sign
[10:45] Speaker 1: up for whatever the fuck it is that they over
[10:47] Speaker 1: there doing? Virginia Tech, we forget Virginia Tech is still
[10:50] Speaker 1: on the board. That job came open. There was another
[10:53] Speaker 1: job that came open that same week. UCLA, still out there.
[10:59] Speaker 1: I think Arkansas is going to do the hilarious thing.
[11:02] Speaker 4: With that job.
[11:03] Speaker 5: I mean.
[11:04] Speaker 3: I actually kind of can't blame him.
[11:05] Speaker 4: No, because who else are you going to get?
[11:07] Speaker 1: And who else are you going to get?
[11:08] Speaker 4: Yeah, and he wants to be there. He's not a
[11:10] Speaker 4: bad coach. No.
[11:12] Speaker 3: He didn't get fired because he was bad.
[11:13] Speaker 1: No, he was the best coach they've had since Frank Broyles.
[11:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, man. Yeah. So it's just like I kind of
[11:20] Speaker 4: can see why they might just want to be. We
[11:22] Speaker 4: can sit this out. We got somebody that already knows
[11:25] Speaker 4: how we like things here.
[11:26] Speaker 1: And we ain't got to pay him that much because
[11:27] Speaker 1: there is no competition to hire him.
[11:29] Speaker 4: Uh-uh that's right it's just it's just you we know
[11:32] Speaker 4: we know what the market is for you right now
[11:33] Speaker 4: bro think.
[11:34] Speaker 1: About this he has people who go with him to
[11:36] Speaker 1: different jobs and brian kelly doesn't yeah man bobby petrino
[11:39] Speaker 1: is who we're talking about for those of you who
[11:41] Speaker 1: don't know there are people who are loyal to bobby
[11:44] Speaker 1: petrino and nobody's loyal.
[11:46] Speaker 4: To brian i have played for guys that people hated
[11:50] Speaker 4: you know what i mean like just no and i've
[11:51] Speaker 4: just never seen people talk about a person in the
[11:54] Speaker 4: way that Brian Kelly has been talked about. But I wonder,
[11:57] Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is he's still a good football coach.
[12:00] Speaker 4: I think he'll get one of these jobs.
[12:02] Speaker 3: I think it's possible.
[12:03] Speaker 1: Is it a job that he's willing to take? Cause
[12:05] Speaker 1: he's 64 years old.
[12:06] Speaker 4: Well, that's a good thing. So like, listen, what if,
[12:08] Speaker 4: what if I give you one of these two jobs,
[12:10] Speaker 4: Michigan state or Wisconsin, if one of those come up
[12:12] Speaker 4: and they hired him, that's not a bad hire for them.
[12:14] Speaker 1: Is it? I, it's not a bad hire for them.
[12:17] Speaker 1: I don't, so I don't think it's a great hire
[12:19] Speaker 1: for Wisconsin because I don't think you can run the
[12:21] Speaker 1: kind of offense Brian Kelly wants to run. and be
[12:24] Speaker 1: successful at Wisconsin. I think Wisconsin, we're just going to
[12:27] Speaker 1: line up and mash you out.
[12:29] Speaker 2: That's what they do. Michigan State, maybe.
[12:32] Speaker 1: The thing is, he has grown accustomed to a lifestyle,
[12:40] Speaker 1: shall we say, as it relates to coaching.
[12:42] Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the money, just the places he's been.
[12:45] Speaker 1: Golfing. I think it's a giant step down from what
[12:49] Speaker 1: is possible at Notre Dame and at LSU to Michigan
[12:54] Speaker 1: State and Wisconsin. I think that Michigan State in particular,
[12:58] Speaker 1: I think that is a huge drop from what like
[13:01] Speaker 1: getting used to a job where, look, they mad at
[13:03] Speaker 1: you for eight and four at LSU. They'll be fairly
[13:06] Speaker 1: happy with you for nine and three at Michigan State.
[13:09] Speaker 2: And I don't think he wants to live that life again.
[13:12] Speaker 4: I hear. See, to me, that sounds like a good
[13:14] Speaker 4: job because that's when you were talking about this. I
[13:16] Speaker 4: was like, you said there's no good. Are there any
[13:17] Speaker 4: good jobs? You know what sounds like a good job?
[13:20] Speaker 3: Ole Miss.
[13:21] Speaker 1: But I don't think Ole Miss is a good job anymore.
[13:23] Speaker 1: I think Lane is blowing the box.
[13:24] Speaker 3: You think he's blowing it up now?
[13:25] Speaker 1: I mean, they've been going to Sugar Bowls, right? Like,
[13:28] Speaker 1: they've been going to these levels of games. They are
[13:30] Speaker 1: probably going to finish in the top 10 this year.
[13:34] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[13:35] Speaker 1: I don't. I think that used to be. So we
[13:38] Speaker 1: talked about this. I don't think even Kentucky is what
[13:41] Speaker 1: Kentucky used to be, where if you can go seven,
[13:44] Speaker 1: eight wins every year and just don't embarrass them, you'll
[13:48] Speaker 1: make your money and everything will be okay. I don't
[13:51] Speaker 1: think it's like that anymore. I'm curious if you still
[13:54] Speaker 1: think that that's something that people will be able to
[13:55] Speaker 1: pull off in the Big Ten and the SEC.
[13:59] Speaker 2: You might be able to pull it off. I put
[14:00] Speaker 2: it like this. you can't go back to nine wins
[14:03] Speaker 2: a year at Clemson anymore. For example, you know what
[14:05] Speaker 2: I mean?
[14:06] Speaker 4: I think so. The thing is, is will fans ever
[14:09] Speaker 4: catch up with the reality of modern college football, right? Like,
[14:12] Speaker 4: will they be able to say, you know what? This
[14:14] Speaker 4: is a lot more like the NFL. They're playing a
[14:16] Speaker 4: lot more competitive conference games. You can loop, you can
[14:19] Speaker 4: take a couple of losses and shoot man. Rosters aren't
[14:22] Speaker 4: as deep as they used to be. So if you
[14:24] Speaker 4: get a few injuries, it can really take you out
[14:27] Speaker 4: of the running.
[14:28] Speaker 1: Right.
[14:28] Speaker 3: So I, If fans.
[14:30] Speaker 4: Can kind of come to that understanding, would it be like, man,
[14:33] Speaker 4: just because the Chiefs lost, it doesn't mean they're sorry, right?
[14:37] Speaker 4: Or one year the Bengals don't make the playoffs and
[14:39] Speaker 4: people are like, oh, that's horrible. People have sort of
[14:42] Speaker 4: an understanding that things are going to happen on a
[14:44] Speaker 4: year-to-year basis. But as long as you're consistently good and
[14:47] Speaker 4: consistently contending, people will understand.
[14:50] Speaker 1: But what do you call contending consistently?
[14:54] Speaker 4: Just being able to make the playoffs and have an
[14:56] Speaker 4: outside shot at the championship.
[14:58] Speaker 2: Okay.
[14:58] Speaker 1: So you're saying, and I'm assuming that when you say
[15:00] Speaker 1: that you mean for like a certain echelon of program, right?
[15:04] Speaker 4: Like, so that's the L that's the LSU should be
[15:07] Speaker 4: able to accept eight and four every night.
[15:09] Speaker 3: Again, is what I'm saying.
[15:10] Speaker 2: Every now and again.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Yes. Um, how often, how often should they win 11?
[15:17] Speaker 1: Cause Brian Kelly won 10 twice in.
[15:19] Speaker 3: A 10 year span for four, 11.
[15:22] Speaker 1: 4 out of 10 at 11?
[15:25] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[15:26] Speaker 1: I feel like you have undercut your argument because that
[15:29] Speaker 1: feels like a lot of 11s.
[15:31] Speaker 4: I mean, man, because you're going to get weak schedules sometimes.
[15:34] Speaker 4: So that would be 11 and 1. Maybe I should
[15:35] Speaker 4: say 10.
[15:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, keep in mind they got to play Alabama every year.
[15:37] Speaker 3: That's right. They got to play Alabama every year.
[15:39] Speaker 4: And Texas A & M every year.
[15:41] Speaker 3: Tough, yeah. So, yeah.
[15:43] Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I'll go back to 10. Maybe I'll go
[15:46] Speaker 4: 10 wins every 3 to 4.
[15:47] Speaker 1: And by the way, the 10 will be a 10
[15:49] Speaker 1: and 2. I think we need to specify.
[15:52] Speaker 3: Ten and two.
[15:53] Speaker 4: So you got to accept that you're going to lose
[15:54] Speaker 4: a couple games, right? But you know what, Bo? The
[15:57] Speaker 4: way I was going to say it, the piece that
[15:59] Speaker 4: has blown all this up and makes people unreasonable.
[16:02] Speaker 3: Kurt Cignetti and Clark Lee.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
[16:04] Speaker 5: Yes, it is.
[16:04] Speaker 3: Look, Kurt Cignetti.
[16:05] Speaker 2: I think Kurt Cignetti even more than Clark Lee.
[16:07] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[16:08] Speaker 4: Man, dog. Kentucky's looking at Indiana and they're like, what?
[16:11] Speaker 3: They're right there.
[16:11] Speaker 4: What are you?
[16:14] Speaker 3: How they doing this?
[16:17] Speaker 1: With the James Madison All-Star. Yeah, bro. I know I've
[16:19] Speaker 1: talked about this many times on this show, but it's
[16:22] Speaker 1: a bunch of guys he brought. Like when Deion went
[16:24] Speaker 1: to Colorado and said he was bringing his luggage and
[16:26] Speaker 1: it was Louie. Dog, he rolled up with duffel bags.
[16:29] Speaker 4: Dog, he just.
[16:30] Speaker 2: Still flossy.
[16:31] Speaker 3: I mean, and they look great.
[16:34] Speaker 4: They look great.
[16:35] Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.
[16:37] Speaker 4: They put Indiana uniforms on, and all of a sudden
[16:40] Speaker 4: they became Oregon, you know? And so I'm sure Kentucky
[16:45] Speaker 4: is like, they don't even have boys in that state.
[16:47] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? They don't even got, where
[16:48] Speaker 4: are they getting these people from, you know? And so
[16:50] Speaker 4: I'm sure that they're looking at that, and probably to
[16:52] Speaker 4: a less extent, T.J., like Clark Lee in Vanderbilt, and
[16:55] Speaker 4: Vanderbilt's bullying LSU.
[16:57] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
[16:58] Speaker 1: Well, hold on.
[16:58] Speaker 2: Think about this.
[17:00] Speaker 1: James Franklin won some games at Vanderbilt. Like, I want
[17:04] Speaker 1: to say he got some wins over Georgia, but it
[17:05] Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I guess this is down as LSU,
[17:07] Speaker 1: but it was like kind of down Georgia. But James
[17:10] Speaker 1: Franklin parlayed that into this Penn State job with a
[17:13] Speaker 1: couple of seasons in the top 25. And by the way, deserved.
[17:18] Speaker 2: Well done.
[17:18] Speaker 3: Vanderbilt so hard.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. Clark Lee could not have done this without what
[17:22] Speaker 1: Franklin had done prior to kind of legitimize the place. Absolutely.
[17:26] Speaker 1: But I'm saying, if what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt
[17:30] Speaker 1: could get you Penn State, what exactly can Clark Lee
[17:34] Speaker 1: get out of doing this at Vanderbilt? Because I don't
[17:36] Speaker 1: hear his name being talked about as a guy to
[17:40] Speaker 1: go to LSU.
[17:41] Speaker 4: Right. I mean, because he's home. Vanderbilt is home for him. So, yeah,
[17:49] Speaker 4: I know. I know because Jonathan Smith. See, I bet
[17:51] Speaker 4: Jonathan Smith. This is what these guys need to be
[17:53] Speaker 4: thinking about. Jonathan Smith, they loved him in Oregon State, man. Yes.
[17:56] Speaker 1: But to be fair, they ain't got a conference. Oregon
[18:00] Speaker 1: State became a completely different job.
[18:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, right. And when he left, that's right. He had
[18:04] Speaker 4: to go somewhere. But I wonder if they just don't
[18:07] Speaker 4: think they can dislodge Clark. I mean, the thing is,
[18:09] Speaker 4: if that's the guy you want, you have to make
[18:13] Speaker 4: him say no. Because, I mean, the reality of Vanderbilt
[18:16] Speaker 4: is that he's not.
[18:18] Speaker 3: Going to be able to do this year over year
[18:20] Speaker 3: over year.
[18:21] Speaker 4: Right? Well, hold on.
[18:25] Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question on that. Clearly, Indiana
[18:28] Speaker 1: thinks that you can do it year over year there
[18:29] Speaker 1: because they're paying that coach like you can.
[18:31] Speaker 2: Right. Right. And I'll be honest with you.
[18:33] Speaker 1: I thought that this new world order would lead to
[18:36] Speaker 1: Indiana just being a feeder for other programs. Right. Like
[18:40] Speaker 1: Michael Pennix going to Washington after having been at Indiana.
[18:43] Speaker 2: I thought that that's what it was going to be.
[18:44] Speaker 1: I guess it never dawned on me that they could
[18:46] Speaker 1: ever be a 10-11 win program.
[18:48] Speaker 2: But they look like they're going to be buyers.
[18:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[18:51] Speaker 3: I mean, I've never been to Bloomington. Have you been
[18:53] Speaker 3: to Bloomington before?
[18:55] Speaker 4: I've heard it's nice.
[18:57] Speaker 3: They were good at basketball once.
[19:01] Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, man. There ain't that many
[19:04] Speaker 1: states that truly worry me.
[19:07] Speaker 2: Man.
[19:08] Speaker 1: I don't know if you've done any driving through Indiana.
[19:11] Speaker 2: The Indiana that ain't got no dots.
[19:13] Speaker 4: Oh, well, yeah.
[19:14] Speaker 2: Did not like it.
[19:15] Speaker 3: Are you talking about Hammond?
[19:18] Speaker 2: No, that's Illinois. Not as Indiana. You're right.
[19:20] Speaker 3: No, no.
[19:20] Speaker 1: I'm talking about Southern Indiana. I have been to Hammond.
[19:24] Speaker 1: And I will say about Hammond, the project got white
[19:26] Speaker 1: people in it. And that is, you're right. But yeah, Hammond, Indiana,
[19:31] Speaker 1: which is close to Chicago. That's why I said Illinois.
[19:33] Speaker 1: But I'm talking about down south.
[19:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, that Bloomington stuff.
[19:37] Speaker 2: I don't know where exactly it is. I'm just telling you.
[19:39] Speaker 1: I done done a lot of driving, man. I've done
[19:41] Speaker 1: the east of Kentucky. I've done all the deep south.
[19:43] Speaker 1: I've done all the west. I've done all I-10. I've
[19:46] Speaker 1: done all I-40. Indiana felt a little different.
[19:49] Speaker 3: Really, man?
[19:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt a little different.
[19:51] Speaker 3: I could see that.
[19:52] Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember what state felt like that for me.
[19:54] Speaker 4: Maybe the south Georgia actually kind of felt like that
[19:57] Speaker 4: to me a little bit.
[19:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. South Georgia's a little worrisome. But yeah, I've
[20:02] Speaker 1: done all the way across Kentucky from like Louisville going
[20:05] Speaker 1: back to North Carolina. So it's Kentucky with a little
[20:07] Speaker 1: dovey ain't.
[20:08] Speaker 2: Throwing in there.
[20:09] Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, that's all right.
[20:12] Speaker 1: I do remember I went to get some gas in
[20:14] Speaker 1: eastern Kentucky, and that was the most transactional encounter I've
[20:17] Speaker 1: ever had in the south.
[20:18] Speaker 4: Really?
[20:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like going to the bodega up north. Boom, boom, go.
[20:23] Speaker 4: Get out of here?
[20:25] Speaker 2: He ain't have nothing to say to me. I ain't
[20:27] Speaker 2: have nothing to say to him.
[20:28] Speaker 3: Man, that's crazy.
[20:31] Speaker 4: It's funny about those areas because- Florida low-key got a
[20:34] Speaker 4: lot of those spots. Like just even within the Tampa
[20:37] Speaker 4: Bay area, they used to, oh man, I'll never forget.
[20:40] Speaker 4: I used to have to work Sundays in Pasco County.
[20:44] Speaker 4: Pasco County has, I'm trying to think what the Lake,
[20:47] Speaker 4: Lando Lakes would be one of the cities there. So
[20:50] Speaker 4: I don't know if that, or Dade City, Dade City
[20:52] Speaker 4: is a place.
[20:52] Speaker 3: It's a Pasco.
[20:54] Speaker 2: That's where Pennix is from, right?
[20:55] Speaker 1: Pennix is from, right.
[20:56] Speaker 4: So there's one side of the county that is very
[21:00] Speaker 4: rural and another part that's very suburban and kind of
[21:03] Speaker 4: close to the water.
[21:04] Speaker 3: So one day I get a call. They say, oh, man,
[21:06] Speaker 3: there's been a.
[21:07] Speaker 4: Shooting over on Teak Street in Newport Ritchie.
[21:12] Speaker 3: And so I look this, you know, I'm looking it
[21:14] Speaker 3: up to see. And I see.
[21:16] Speaker 4: In the archives, Teak Street Nazi Compound. I told the editor,
[21:24] Speaker 4: I was like, bro, I'm sorry. It was the only
[21:27] Speaker 4: time I've ever been like, nah, I'm not doing it.
[21:30] Speaker 4: Because they had killed, the reason it was famous, because
[21:32] Speaker 4: they had killed a black dude who was over there
[21:34] Speaker 4: to see some girl that he was trying to visit.
[21:37] Speaker 3: And I was like, bro, I just... I can't do it, man.
[21:39] Speaker 4: So there's some spots even within, like, Tampa that are
[21:42] Speaker 4: kind of like, I don't want to be over there, man.
[21:44] Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing about playing college football that the
[21:47] Speaker 1: young boys don't necessarily know to inquire about is, like,
[21:51] Speaker 1: know your surroundings because you could be signing up for, like,
[21:55] Speaker 1: campus is super dope wherever campus may be, but it's
[21:59] Speaker 1: a few. Like, Penn State is one of those where
[22:00] Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't think I would do that.
[22:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, we say pencil tucking.
[22:06] Speaker 1: Pencil tucking. I don't think I would do that. They
[22:11] Speaker 1: clearly get players, and they spent the money, and they
[22:13] Speaker 1: got the dudes there, and Philly guys still want to
[22:16] Speaker 1: go there, and that still produces a decent number of people,
[22:19] Speaker 1: and you can get New Jersey guys and all of that.
[22:21] Speaker 1: But that feels a lot like College Station East. And
[22:25] Speaker 1: by the way, College Station is just whack.
[22:28] Speaker 2: College Station does.
[22:29] Speaker 1: Not scare me.
[22:34] Speaker 3: Doesn't scare you.
[22:34] Speaker 1: Right.
[22:35] Speaker 2: No, it doesn't have that. It's just college station.
[22:37] Speaker 4: Well, yeah. So college station is funny because yeah, like
[22:42] Speaker 4: when you grow up in Houston, if you have never
[22:44] Speaker 4: been up there, you assume that it's kind of close.
[22:46] Speaker 3: I thought it was just more black than it was
[22:48] Speaker 3: up there than it actually is.
[22:49] Speaker 4: And yeah, it's in a very kind of rural area,
[22:52] Speaker 4: but you know what A & M got, man?
[22:55] Speaker 3: They got them.
[22:57] Speaker 4: A & M got them, man. A & M got them, bro.
[23:03] Speaker 4: Shout out to the Southwest Black Leadership Conference they used
[23:05] Speaker 4: to have down there every fall.
[23:07] Speaker 2: It sounds like they was there for the conference.
[23:09] Speaker 3: There was other stuff. I can't say what it is.
[23:12] Speaker 4: I don't remember what it is. But it was not,
[23:15] Speaker 4: I could kind of understand going there and being like, well,
[23:19] Speaker 4: I took my wife through there once, Janae, and she
[23:21] Speaker 4: said it looked like a farm and an office complex.
[23:25] Speaker 3: And I'll say, yeah, okay.
[23:27] Speaker 1: Texas A & M got a zillion people, so they
[23:29] Speaker 1: got something, but I'm not.
[23:31] Speaker 3: It could be fun there.
[23:32] Speaker 1: I know.
[23:34] Speaker 2: I'm nodding.
[23:35] Speaker 3: It could be fun there. The Penn State thing to
[23:37] Speaker 3: me is more.
[23:38] Speaker 4: Because I'm like, okay, we don't have any proof or
[23:42] Speaker 4: concept that brothers actually will choose Penn State without some
[23:47] Speaker 4: exceptional circumstances. Joe Paterno was a whole different time, and
[23:52] Speaker 4: they were taking brothers.
[23:53] Speaker 3: way before the schools in the South were.
[23:55] Speaker 4: So they had access to talent that a lot of
[23:56] Speaker 4: other people didn't have, and Joe Paterno promoted a certain
[23:59] Speaker 4: kind of a culture that could have been welcoming to
[24:03] Speaker 4: the brothers that wanted to play there. All right, he
[24:06] Speaker 4: goes away. They get Bill O'Brien for a couple years.
[24:08] Speaker 4: Then you get James Franklin, who's a really charismatic brother
[24:11] Speaker 4: who can recruit the DMV pretty well. Like, this is
[24:13] Speaker 4: his area, getting up and down here. I mean, can...
[24:18] Speaker 4: Matt rule get the same kind of brother that want
[24:21] Speaker 4: to come now.
[24:22] Speaker 1: I mean, but they, but so this is raises the question,
[24:24] Speaker 1: which is, these are the things that have mattered forever.
[24:28] Speaker 1: And how much do they matter now that we talking
[24:30] Speaker 1: about paying people?
[24:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[24:32] Speaker 1: Well, because I, cause I mean, I think at some
[24:34] Speaker 1: point though, that there's gotta be some, like the market
[24:39] Speaker 1: for players can't have, but so much variance at a
[24:41] Speaker 1: certain level, like these things on the margins, I feel
[24:44] Speaker 1: like still have to matter because, um to a degree
[24:47] Speaker 1: especially if you're dealing with kid the kids that come
[24:48] Speaker 1: from means which is a lot more players than at
[24:51] Speaker 1: least it feels like a lot more players than it
[24:53] Speaker 1: used to be so come some of our like adages
[24:56] Speaker 1: about coming out of poverty that don't seem to apply
[24:58] Speaker 1: nearly as much as they used to to these players
[25:01] Speaker 1: um but i mean no but i do i do
[25:04] Speaker 1: think you raise a fair question now can matt real
[25:08] Speaker 1: do it but to be fair man brother's been signing
[25:10] Speaker 1: up to play for white boys forever like That's true.
[25:13] Speaker 2: That's not a new situation.
[25:14] Speaker 3: I mean, that's true.
[25:15] Speaker 4: That's true.
[25:16] Speaker 3: But they ain't signed up to play for every white
[25:17] Speaker 3: boy at every place.
[25:18] Speaker 1: No.
[25:18] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[25:19] Speaker 2: No.
[25:19] Speaker 4: Like, Ole Miss, it was until very recently that people
[25:23] Speaker 4: were like, all right.
[25:25] Speaker 2: I still can't believe they do it.
[25:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, right. Because we come from a time where you
[25:29] Speaker 4: could turn on TV and they just had them flags
[25:31] Speaker 4: blowing in the wind in the stands, man. Yeah.
[25:34] Speaker 1: Like.
[25:34] Speaker 4: Even Tommy Tuberville had to be like, could y'all stop
[25:37] Speaker 4: doing that?
[25:38] Speaker 1: Yes.
[25:38] Speaker 4: Y'all are making my job hard. Please stop doing that.
[25:40] Speaker 2: Y'all, you're scaring the bros.
[25:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
[25:43] Speaker 4: You're scaring the bros. You're scaring the bros. But, I mean,
[25:47] Speaker 4: Ole Miss has changed. And you actually made a really
[25:50] Speaker 4: good point because I think about a lot of how
[25:53] Speaker 4: the demographics have changed and sort of like the cultural
[25:55] Speaker 4: reality for elite football.
[25:57] Speaker 3: Players has changed.
[25:58] Speaker 4: Because it ain't like the old days, man, where your
[26:02] Speaker 4: five-star is Stady Yates.
[26:04] Speaker 3: They went Yates for all four years or whatever. Like,
[26:07] Speaker 3: dumb kid.
[26:08] Speaker 4: Bobby Taylor had a kid.
[26:10] Speaker 1: Bobby Taylor who played college ball at Notre Dame and
[26:13] Speaker 1: played for the Eagles in the league.
[26:14] Speaker 3: Played for the Eagles. Six foot four corner.
[26:18] Speaker 4: His kid went to a school inside the city limits,
[26:21] Speaker 4: Houston Heights, and then he finished at Katy. And I
[26:24] Speaker 4: was just thinking about like, oh, that's the kind of
[26:26] Speaker 4: stuff that happens now.
[26:28] Speaker 1: That's a very Florida thing that really wasn't happening in
[26:31] Speaker 1: Texas before.
[26:32] Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[26:34] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[26:34] Speaker 4: Kids will move out or plan out in Allen or,
[26:37] Speaker 4: you know, one of them, you know, we see brothers
[26:40] Speaker 4: playing for Westlake and Lake Travis and stuff like that now.
[26:43] Speaker 4: Stuff that just did not, usually those schools did not
[26:46] Speaker 4: have those kind of athletes.
[26:47] Speaker 1: Those alums of those schools for those who don't know Westlake,
[26:50] Speaker 1: Drew Brees High School, Lake Travis, Baker Mayfield High School,
[26:53] Speaker 1: Baker Reagan Mayfield, just so you understand the point that
[26:56] Speaker 1: we're making here.
[26:57] Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. So it was kind of, so,
[27:00] Speaker 4: you know, these kids are sort of operating, you're right.
[27:02] Speaker 4: So on that point, they operate in a different reality.
[27:05] Speaker 4: They have a very different relationship with community than we
[27:08] Speaker 4: used to have. It used to matter when, for example,
[27:12] Speaker 4: in Mizzou, Mizzou, the reason they had problems for so
[27:14] Speaker 4: long getting brothers there is that they had black media,
[27:19] Speaker 4: radio DJs in St. Louis that actively discouraged their top
[27:23] Speaker 4: black athletes from going to Mizzou. Like they would show
[27:26] Speaker 4: up at your house and be like, I can't tell
[27:28] Speaker 4: you where to go, but I wouldn't send my kid there.
[27:30] Speaker 4: And Mizzou had a real difficult time tapping into that
[27:33] Speaker 4: kind of talent because people would just that they had
[27:36] Speaker 4: just that kind of resistance but I don't even know
[27:38] Speaker 4: that that kind of community exists anymore anywhere like I
[27:41] Speaker 4: don't even know like who would be the voice that
[27:42] Speaker 4: people would listen to that would say you may not
[27:44] Speaker 4: want to go to Florida I mean you know that's
[27:46] Speaker 4: not a school that's a place that's that's sort of
[27:50] Speaker 4: hostile to you.
[27:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels much more transactional now. We don't have
[27:54] Speaker 1: that much proof of concept on this, obviously. It's a
[27:56] Speaker 1: new world that we're in. But yeah, the question is
[27:59] Speaker 1: exactly how much of those little things matter. Like Forty
[28:01] Speaker 1: was on here talking the other day, and he's right
[28:03] Speaker 1: that spending money on facilities is a bad play these
[28:05] Speaker 1: days because it makes sense to spend money on facilities
[28:08] Speaker 1: when you couldn't give the money directly to the players.
[28:11] Speaker 2: Now that feels like a bad use of money. But
[28:14] Speaker 2: at the same time, one.
[28:16] Speaker 1: Would think the facilities should matter, but something to consider.
[28:19] Speaker 1: And I say this as we go into the break,
[28:22] Speaker 1: when these coaches take these jobs, they don't go, they
[28:25] Speaker 1: don't set foot on campus. If a coach has never
[28:30] Speaker 1: been to a university, there's no time for, well, I'm
[28:33] Speaker 1: going to go take a tour, let my wife go
[28:35] Speaker 1: around and check out the schools.
[28:37] Speaker 2: There's no time for that.
[28:38] Speaker 1: These guys are deciding to go to places they've literally
[28:41] Speaker 1: never been, often with facilities they've never seen.
[28:46] Speaker 4: Well, Bo, you know what? It's actually interesting. I'm hearing
[28:48] Speaker 4: that a lot, too, about transfers now, too. People that
[28:51] Speaker 4: go in transfer portals, if they've already been through the
[28:53] Speaker 4: recruiting process, they'll pick a school not even had been
[28:56] Speaker 4: on campus there, which I'm like, That's shocking to me.
[28:59] Speaker 4: I don't know that I could do that.
[29:02] Speaker 2: If you go to a place, you already took an official.
[29:04] Speaker 1: Okay, I see that. Or there's a coach there that
[29:06] Speaker 1: you like. But yeah, to me, the idea of going
[29:08] Speaker 1: to these places, especially when you have options, is wild.
[29:11] Speaker 1: But what else are they supposed to do? Yeah, man.
[29:14] Speaker 1: I always think coaches get a bad rap on the
[29:18] Speaker 1: way that they lead these schools. There's no good way
[29:21] Speaker 1: to do it. It's not possible. You don't, hey, kids,
[29:24] Speaker 1: just giving you a heads up. I might be out
[29:27] Speaker 1: of here. But then you can't come back. Right. Right.
[29:29] Speaker 4: You're out on us.
[29:30] Speaker 1: There is no coach transfer portal and everybody understands that
[29:34] Speaker 1: you're just doing what you can. Like, it's not an option.
[29:37] Speaker 1: These moves have to be made very, very quickly. And like,
[29:39] Speaker 1: the next day you got to start recruiting you just
[29:42] Speaker 1: put on a whole new hat right and you become
[29:45] Speaker 1: an entirely different person.
[29:47] Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah it's just tough man you're right i i
[29:50] Speaker 4: look i'm not a coach apologist but i do i
[29:53] Speaker 4: i think it just kind of like we've just done,
[29:55] Speaker 4: I think people do have to kind of understand the
[29:57] Speaker 4: reality of coaches has changed a lot now, man.
[29:59] Speaker 3: Like this is a very difficult job.
[30:01] Speaker 4: And even if you've excelled at it in the previous decade,
[30:05] Speaker 4: there was some evidence that Nick Saban wasn't quite acclimating
[30:08] Speaker 4: to the new era as much as he liked, right?
[30:10] Speaker 4: Like those Alabama, those last couple of Alabama teams weren't
[30:12] Speaker 4: as good as the ones of earlier vintage. So it's,
[30:15] Speaker 4: People are going to need time to figure it out.
[30:18] Speaker 4: And because of all these shifting dynamics, you know, I mean,
[30:21] Speaker 4: a lot of people clearly going to get fired until
[30:23] Speaker 4: we finally settle into this stuff.
[30:25] Speaker 1: All right. We got some media talk coming up next.
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[31:51] Speaker 1: So I talk about Hayden as Joel doing the ranger
[31:54] Speaker 1: tailgate podcast, but he also does another podcast where Brian
[31:58] Speaker 1: Curtis called the press box where he makes faces just
[32:01] Speaker 1: like the one that he made. because they be spitting
[32:03] Speaker 1: truth on there like I just spit truth so the
[32:06] Speaker 1: truth be making him scrunch his face up sometimes again.
[32:09] Speaker 4: I mean people that know me know that I love
[32:10] Speaker 4: my nobody will ever say I don't love my people
[32:13] Speaker 4: oh sorry I'm not your people well I'm just saying
[32:17] Speaker 4: you're the one that came on here treating me like.
[32:18] Speaker 2: This treating you like this.
[32:21] Speaker 4: I mean people rewind the tape you can go it's
[32:24] Speaker 4: on YouTube just go back and you can see how
[32:26] Speaker 4: Bo welcomed me onto the show it's fine you still
[32:29] Speaker 4: my brother dog I love you dog.
[32:30] Speaker 3: It's okay I'm tough. I have thick skin.
[32:35] Speaker 2: No, you don't.
[32:36] Speaker 4: I don't.
[32:40] Speaker 1: But the press box, you guys talk about media issues
[32:43] Speaker 1: and something I've seen awful announcing broach, and I think
[32:45] Speaker 1: you guys got into it a little bit on your part,
[32:47] Speaker 1: but I do think is interesting is that the stick
[32:51] Speaker 1: to sports people won, right? Like we really do just
[32:56] Speaker 1: kind of stick and ball discussions. They even find that
[32:58] Speaker 1: a lot of my content moved more in that direction,
[33:00] Speaker 1: but it's in part because it did feel in a
[33:02] Speaker 1: way like much of the audience wanted to move kind
[33:06] Speaker 1: of back in that direction.
[33:07] Speaker 2: And I do think that if you look at nine, 10.
[33:09] Speaker 1: Years ago, the topics that are kind of running the game,
[33:13] Speaker 1: we don't have a Colin Kaepernick right now, right? Like
[33:15] Speaker 1: we don't have, there is no, there's no like Joe Paterno,
[33:19] Speaker 1: Penn State scandal of the likes. Like, and I don't,
[33:22] Speaker 1: or maybe these things are happening and we just don't
[33:23] Speaker 1: talk about it. I don't have the greatest answer exactly
[33:26] Speaker 1: for that. But this gambling story, is one that felt
[33:31] Speaker 1: like it would have been wall-to-wall coverage all over the
[33:34] Speaker 1: place with a zillion different angles on how to explore
[33:38] Speaker 1: it with lots of lawyers, some who are still lawyers,
[33:41] Speaker 1: some who are lawyers that were turned sports bloggers, but
[33:43] Speaker 1: giving their read on the paperwork and everything else. And
[33:46] Speaker 1: it feels like sports media has actually somehow gotten less
[33:51] Speaker 1: interesting and less adept in the course of the last
[33:54] Speaker 1: 10 years to tackle things where I felt like we
[33:57] Speaker 1: were in a golden age 10 years ago to give
[34:00] Speaker 1: you everything you needed on a story like this. And
[34:03] Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like we're equipped to do that anymore,
[34:06] Speaker 1: especially not on television.
[34:08] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, when we can get the television, but
[34:10] Speaker 4: just think about how much sports media has been hollowed
[34:13] Speaker 4: out just in the last few years from like the
[34:15] Speaker 4: regional sports networks to ESPN has cut back a lot.
[34:21] Speaker 4: They really don't have it. I mean, how much do
[34:24] Speaker 4: you think they've reduced their workforce in the last five
[34:26] Speaker 4: to six years? I mean, that's a lot less programming
[34:29] Speaker 4: and people over there. Deadspin is not what it was.
[34:33] Speaker 4: Sports Illustrated, not what it was. ESPN the magazine don't
[34:37] Speaker 4: exist no more. So when you're looking for all this stuff,
[34:40] Speaker 4: the kind of deeply reported, well thought out work, that
[34:45] Speaker 4: we were enjoying 10, 12 years ago, I mean, either
[34:49] Speaker 4: people didn't support it or it just went bankrupt and
[34:51] Speaker 4: went away, didn't develop enough of an audience. So here
[34:55] Speaker 4: we are. Because where are you getting your news from now?
[34:58] Speaker 2: That's a good question.
[34:59] Speaker 1: I just feel like I get it. I couldn't give
[35:02] Speaker 1: you a great answer, but the thing is, this is
[35:05] Speaker 1: a story where people need it, man. First of all,
[35:10] Speaker 1: it is interesting to think that this would have been
[35:12] Speaker 1: a much bigger scandal as recently as 10 years ago,
[35:15] Speaker 1: certainly 30 years ago.
[35:16] Speaker 4: I mean, Chauncey Billups, man, he's an NBA Hall of Famer.
[35:20] Speaker 1: He's an NBA Hall of Famer and current head coach.
[35:23] Speaker 4: Possibly, allegedly, to have maybe tipped off people about, hey, man,
[35:28] Speaker 4: I'm going to send some people for this guy. I mean,
[35:30] Speaker 4: that is crazy. Isn't that more outrageous than what Pete
[35:34] Speaker 4: Rose did, was accused of doing?
[35:36] Speaker 1: Well, no, Pete Rose was, okay, so here's the difference.
[35:41] Speaker 5: Okay.
[35:42] Speaker 2: Pete Rose was making similar calls to receive information.
[35:47] Speaker 1: And then rather than give it to other people, was
[35:50] Speaker 1: using it on his own, which I think is fair
[35:53] Speaker 1: to say was actually more outrageous than, you know, like
[35:58] Speaker 1: he was actually placing the bets as opposed to like
[36:01] Speaker 1: perhaps looking out for somebody.
[36:02] Speaker 3: That's fair.
[36:02] Speaker 4: But it was like he was betting on himself. I mean,
[36:04] Speaker 4: the thing about Pete Rose never bet against himself.
[36:06] Speaker 2: There was that.
[36:07] Speaker 1: He was betting other things too. The key was that
[36:09] Speaker 1: he never bet against himself.
[36:11] Speaker 3: Never bet against himself. That's right.
[36:13] Speaker 4: So that's kind of, maybe that's what the way I
[36:14] Speaker 4: come from it. Um, as opposed to being like, well,
[36:17] Speaker 4: we might, I might be the reason that we lose tonight. Right.
[36:21] Speaker 3: Here's how you can make some money on it. Allegedly.
[36:24] Speaker 4: Um, but yeah, I mean, that is a huge, I mean,
[36:27] Speaker 4: Pete Rose held down sports media for so long. Like
[36:32] Speaker 4: we've pretended to really care about gambling and its implications
[36:35] Speaker 4: and what it could do for people's reputations and everything
[36:37] Speaker 4: else for 30 years of my life.
[36:40] Speaker 1: Oh, I think people cared. then.
[36:42] Speaker 2: I don't think that that was phony. Oh, I think
[36:44] Speaker 2: people cared then, too. I think they cared. And I'll
[36:47] Speaker 2: tell you this. I took a job in 2009.
[36:49] Speaker 1: This is when I took the job with the score,
[36:51] Speaker 1: doing the Morning Jones. And my boss at the time,
[36:53] Speaker 1: Mike Gentile, he'd been a radio producer, and he was like, look,
[36:56] Speaker 1: you have a slow day to this day. And he says,
[37:00] Speaker 1: to this day, you have a slow day? Ask if
[37:02] Speaker 1: Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
[37:05] Speaker 2: And hold on. Keep in mind that he was in Canada.
[37:08] Speaker 2: I mean, man.
[37:09] Speaker 1: It wasn't even the United States.
[37:12] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[37:13] Speaker 2: Right.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Like it was still a go. But I think that
[37:16] Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth to this that I don't.
[37:20] Speaker 1: It's wild to think that we're not even necessarily that
[37:22] Speaker 1: qualified to get into it, even though we got all
[37:24] Speaker 1: these people who engage in gambling. But the problem is, like,
[37:27] Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw where Charles Barkley was
[37:28] Speaker 1: talking about it, where he was like, these guys are
[37:29] Speaker 1: just stupid. And what Charles sounded like was a drunk
[37:33] Speaker 1: who has disdain for alcoholics because they bad for the brand.
[37:37] Speaker 4: Right. So I think that's the thing is that I
[37:40] Speaker 4: can't relate to. And I assume you can't. I don't
[37:42] Speaker 4: have that kind of advice. Right. So I don't it
[37:44] Speaker 4: doesn't hit me. And we're talking about this a little earlier.
[37:48] Speaker 4: So I got a call from a sports book the
[37:51] Speaker 4: other day, a sports book that I use for work
[37:53] Speaker 4: sometimes just to give some just like an informational thing,
[37:57] Speaker 4: not to gamble or whatever, put money on stuff. And
[38:01] Speaker 4: they called me and I'm thinking, oh, this is about
[38:04] Speaker 4: something related to my work. And they're like, we noticed
[38:06] Speaker 4: that you had opened your account and you haven't used
[38:09] Speaker 4: it yet. You haven't fully set it up yet. Do
[38:11] Speaker 4: you need any help with that? Or is there any
[38:12] Speaker 4: reason you hadn't done that? And I'm like, you all
[38:15] Speaker 4: are checking on me like that for real? Like, I mean,
[38:18] Speaker 4: that was crazy. They wanted, they were so insistent on
[38:21] Speaker 4: the idea that I should be gambling. I opened this account.
[38:24] Speaker 4: I should be putting some money on something. I should
[38:25] Speaker 4: be doing some games. I'm like, man, if they'll chase
[38:27] Speaker 4: you down and you're weak like that, if you have the,
[38:30] Speaker 4: not weak, I shouldn't say that.
[38:31] Speaker 1: But if you have- No, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[38:35] Speaker 2: It's okay. I think, to say weak. Like, and I'm saying,
[38:39] Speaker 2: if you're weak, I'm saying, I.
[38:41] Speaker 1: Know, but I'm saying, but I mean, strong has to
[38:45] Speaker 1: have an opposite, right? And in this particular way, people
[38:50] Speaker 1: have weaknesses, right? Like, I don't think, maybe it's impossible
[38:54] Speaker 1: to separate weak from a larger connotation. But if this is,
[38:58] Speaker 1: calling it a vice and calling it a weakness are
[39:00] Speaker 1: not different things.
[39:02] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[39:03] Speaker 1: So if you're shaky in this regard... then you're going
[39:06] Speaker 1: to shake.
[39:07] Speaker 3: You're going to shake.
[39:08] Speaker 4: Okay. Well, I guess I, the way I'm trying to
[39:10] Speaker 4: think of it is that like, you know, everybody has their,
[39:13] Speaker 4: you know, that's me and sugar, you know what I mean?
[39:15] Speaker 1: Right.
[39:16] Speaker 4: Um, yeah. So, um, but yeah, so, but yeah, okay.
[39:20] Speaker 4: We can, we can say that it's a weakness then, but,
[39:23] Speaker 4: I mean, just imagine that you're trying to stay away
[39:26] Speaker 4: from that stuff. You can't get away. They are so
[39:30] Speaker 4: pressed to find more customers and to expand it that
[39:33] Speaker 4: they will call you.
[39:35] Speaker 1: So what I thought was wild about that when you
[39:37] Speaker 1: said it was, I'm thinking strategically on their front, them
[39:43] Speaker 1: calling to get you to set it up, that feel
[39:47] Speaker 1: like a set up.
[39:49] Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying?
[39:51] Speaker 5: Right?
[39:51] Speaker 1: Like, this sounds like something I don't need to be doing.
[39:54] Speaker 1: If you'd have pressed about getting me into this. This
[39:56] Speaker 1: sounds like something I don't need to be doing. It
[39:58] Speaker 1: seems like them phone, like, do you need any help
[40:00] Speaker 1: setting up the account? Like, I can read.
[40:03] Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
[40:05] Speaker 1: Like, I know how to fill out a form. I
[40:07] Speaker 1: feel like you trying to get me. Like, this is
[40:09] Speaker 1: how I know. They tell me, hey, why don't you
[40:11] Speaker 1: just come down the alley in Goodfellas?
[40:14] Speaker 3: Just go down there.
[40:16] Speaker 2: Just go down there and they'll take care of you.
[40:17] Speaker 2: Just go down there. I'm like, no, no, no.
[40:19] Speaker 1: You're a little too pressed about getting me to go
[40:21] Speaker 1: down that alley.
[40:22] Speaker 2: I ain't going to do that.
[40:22] Speaker 1: But if I had already started now is the time
[40:25] Speaker 1: for you to call me. Now that I done hit
[40:27] Speaker 1: this rock, now there's a chance that you might be
[40:30] Speaker 1: able to get me going on something.
[40:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's right.
[40:35] Speaker 4: I don't know what they thought was going to happen here,
[40:37] Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean, because clearly I wasn't inclined to
[40:41] Speaker 4: get involved in this, but maybe they thought that I
[40:43] Speaker 4: was involved with another sports book or had another. Maybe
[40:45] Speaker 4: they were concerned that I was giving my money away
[40:48] Speaker 4: to somebody else. But this is kind of my theory
[40:51] Speaker 4: about life, and gambling is very different. Man, if you
[40:53] Speaker 4: got to tell me how good it is and you
[40:55] Speaker 4: got to pitch it to me like that, I'm just
[40:57] Speaker 4: going to be a little bit concerned about why doesn't
[40:59] Speaker 4: this sell itself?
[41:00] Speaker 3: I don't understand.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, they just need you to give
[41:04] Speaker 1: it a try because of everything that you got to
[41:07] Speaker 1: get past. You know what I mean? It's, they like,
[41:13] Speaker 1: should I make this comparison? All I'm saying is sometimes
[41:19] Speaker 1: the approach is to try to get people to understand
[41:22] Speaker 1: that societal norms.
[41:24] Speaker 2: are not necessarily the be-all, end-all. You know what I'm saying?
[41:27] Speaker 2: And sometimes you got to do what you.
[41:29] Speaker 1: Want to do.
[41:31] Speaker 4: Like, you know?
[41:32] Speaker 2: Like, come on.
[41:33] Speaker 1: Ain't nobody going to look at you no different tomorrow.
[41:35] Speaker 4: Right?
[41:37] Speaker 1: Like, come on. No, no, no, no.
[41:39] Speaker 4: And ain't nobody even paying attention to you like that.
[41:41] Speaker 1: I ain't going to say nothing to my friends.
[41:43] Speaker 4: You know?
[41:44] Speaker 1: Like....
[41:47] Speaker 4: We don't yeah i mean that is very true they're
[41:49] Speaker 4: like hey man and i ain't nobody gonna say that
[41:51] Speaker 4: nobody paying attention to you right now the thought that
[41:53] Speaker 4: like you just you're sort of anonymous to the world
[41:55] Speaker 4: right yes yeah yeah yeah no that's right that's right
[41:58] Speaker 4: i mean but i just i don't know man i
[42:01] Speaker 4: mean i i have real empathy for people that are
[42:04] Speaker 4: and it worries me i have a son man and
[42:06] Speaker 4: i guess i have a you know i have a
[42:07] Speaker 4: daughter too but i mean of the two that's more
[42:09] Speaker 4: likely to develop an addiction to gambling obviously it's the
[42:12] Speaker 4: boy and i'm like how do you avoid that when
[42:14] Speaker 4: you hear so many stories about kids having sports books
[42:18] Speaker 4: open on their phone at school or they're just hanging out.
[42:20] Speaker 4: I'm just like, the idea of casually gambling in college,
[42:24] Speaker 4: like that just seemed like.
[42:24] Speaker 3: A grown man thing to do.
[42:26] Speaker 1: Yo, or at the very least a white man thing
[42:29] Speaker 1: to do. I was amazed to find out how many
[42:32] Speaker 1: people gambled on sports. Like, I don't feel like that
[42:34] Speaker 1: was a thing. When I got my college, I didn't
[42:36] Speaker 1: feel like cocaine was really a thing. And I didn't
[42:38] Speaker 1: feel like sports. I didn't know these two things was
[42:40] Speaker 1: out here. Then I started kicking.
[42:41] Speaker 2: It with white boys. And it was a whole nother world.
[42:44] Speaker 4: I definitely thought gambling was a white boy thing.
[42:47] Speaker 1: But that's not the case anymore. And you notice, man,
[42:49] Speaker 1: they pushing hard on black people platforms. Like Joe Button
[42:52] Speaker 1: doing prize picks commercials, for example.
[42:54] Speaker 3: I know, man.
[42:57] Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they did with me, too. I mean,
[42:58] Speaker 1: I guess this counts in the same way.
[43:00] Speaker 4: I mean, they're getting this, man. I mean, it reminds me.
[43:03] Speaker 3: It was funny.
[43:04] Speaker 4: I don't know why I looked up Joe Cool or
[43:06] Speaker 4: Joe Camel the other day.
[43:08] Speaker 2: Oh, I got it by Joe Camel.
[43:09] Speaker 4: I was thinking about, I was like, what made people
[43:12] Speaker 4: come up with Joe Camel? And Joe Camel was an
[43:14] Speaker 4: invention of 1988.
[43:17] Speaker 3: Like, I thought it was.
[43:18] Speaker 1: Really?
[43:18] Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm thinking this was, it went back to the
[43:22] Speaker 4: 50s and 60s or whatever. And, you know, for people
[43:25] Speaker 4: that don't know Joe Camel, I mean, it was like
[43:27] Speaker 4: just a very cartoon Camel.
[43:31] Speaker 2: For Camel Cigarettes.
[43:32] Speaker 4: For Camel Cigarettes. And they would dress him up. He
[43:35] Speaker 4: had a whole bunch of different outfits. Sometimes he'd be
[43:37] Speaker 4: looking like Billy Dee Williams at a piano. Sometimes he
[43:40] Speaker 4: looked like James Dean or a motorcycle. It was stuff
[43:43] Speaker 4: like that. And so they were trying to sell the
[43:45] Speaker 4: image of it as cool to a younger generation and
[43:48] Speaker 4: a more urban clientele. And I'm just like, oh, is
[43:52] Speaker 4: this what gambling is now? Has it just kind of
[43:54] Speaker 4: become a thing where it's like, all right, well, you
[43:56] Speaker 4: see Jamie Foxx and all these other people talking, Joe
[43:59] Speaker 4: Budden talking about, I'm putting some money on jalen brunson
[44:03] Speaker 4: or whatever and it's like i guess like the stigma
[44:04] Speaker 4: of that or the idea that this is a world
[44:06] Speaker 4: that will welcome you in and you can get in
[44:09] Speaker 4: and gamble like the.
[44:10] Speaker 1: White boys you know and also let me tell you
[44:12] Speaker 1: this about camel cigarettes there's a good chance if you
[44:14] Speaker 1: meet a woman and she got a box of camel
[44:16] Speaker 1: cigarettes on the bar that's also a jack and coke
[44:19] Speaker 1: in that glass.
[44:22] Speaker 3: Have you you've known a woman that smoked camel.
[44:24] Speaker 2: Cigarettes yes i have.
[44:27] Speaker 1: She was a Jack and Coke drinker, too. I'm just
[44:31] Speaker 1: telling you. There's certain things that go together.
[44:35] Speaker 3: Man.
[44:37] Speaker 2: No, but that is.
[44:39] Speaker 2: The gambling people.
[44:41] Speaker 1: I had lost track of how many of these places
[44:42] Speaker 1: they give you free money to start playing. Because they
[44:45] Speaker 1: know that once you get you in, you'll do a
[44:48] Speaker 1: little bit more.
[44:49] Speaker 3: Have you tried? Have you done any of this at all?
[44:51] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[44:52] Speaker 2: I don't... I think it is.
[44:55] Speaker 1: There's something about, to me, that doing this job makes
[44:58] Speaker 1: me feel like that's something I should not do.
[45:00] Speaker 3: Okay.
[45:01] Speaker 1: On top of that, I understand the type of ego
[45:05] Speaker 1: that I have, and this feels like something I should
[45:07] Speaker 1: be able to outsmart, which is what everybody thinks about this.
[45:12] Speaker 1: And then, by the way, once you start winning, they
[45:14] Speaker 1: stop letting you play.
[45:16] Speaker 4: But wait, so, I mean, you know, Nick is, I mean,
[45:19] Speaker 4: like you said, is well-versed in this, and he does
[45:22] Speaker 4: high-stakes poker games, all that good stuff. So that didn't
[45:25] Speaker 4: influence you at all, thinking like, you know, because there's
[45:27] Speaker 4: a part of me that thinks.
[45:28] Speaker 2: No, no, no, please understand this.
[45:29] Speaker 4: Those gamblers know a lot about the game, too. And
[45:32] Speaker 4: I'm just like, I wonder if it would help me
[45:34] Speaker 4: to know a lot about the game.
[45:35] Speaker 2: Now, that is a fair point.
[45:36] Speaker 1: I talk to guys who play in the business and
[45:38] Speaker 1: that is their rationale for doing this. But please understand,
[45:41] Speaker 1: hanging out with Nick on a Sunday afternoon watching football
[45:44] Speaker 1: is not a commercial for gambling.
[45:46] Speaker 2: It is much more a commercial for the 800 number.
[45:49] Speaker 1: Then it is something that makes you think that this
[45:51] Speaker 1: is something that you should engage in. No, no, no, no, no.
[45:54] Speaker 1: Nothing about watching Nick on Sunday makes gambling look attractive.
[45:58] Speaker 1: Fair point. It's very similar to the example I make.
[46:01] Speaker 1: It feels a lot like watching Uncut Gems.
[46:03] Speaker 4: Well, you know, Van gives the example. I'm sure he
[46:08] Speaker 4: told it on here, too, about, like, he asked one
[46:11] Speaker 4: of his uncles or somebody, why you do crack?
[46:13] Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm looking at y'all, like, why y'all didn't?
[46:15] Speaker 4: You know, why y'all ain't do it? Yeah.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[46:19] Speaker 4: So my thing is about gambling and sport. I don't
[46:24] Speaker 4: need to care about sports like that. I feel like
[46:26] Speaker 4: competition is, I don't need fantasy football. The competition alone,
[46:31] Speaker 4: the pageantry, the opportunity to sit down and enjoy. I
[46:34] Speaker 4: don't need that. And I don't want to be emotionally
[46:36] Speaker 4: invested in a game like that.
[46:38] Speaker 1: Well, what it makes you, what it helps with is
[46:40] Speaker 1: caring about the games that you don't care about.
[46:42] Speaker 4: Right.
[46:43] Speaker 1: Right. And like, to me, I feel like if I
[46:47] Speaker 1: need to make myself care about this, therefore I put
[46:50] Speaker 1: some money on it. Have you thought about curling up
[46:53] Speaker 1: with a good book? Or perhaps some other activity. Just
[47:01] Speaker 1: throwing it out there.
[47:02] Speaker 4: I mean, what was it the other week I told
[47:04] Speaker 4: you I was watching Sam Houston State versus Utah?
[47:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you definitely had money on the guy.
[47:08] Speaker 4: You thought you can think there was any possible way.
[47:10] Speaker 4: I said, no, man, I just want to watch football.
[47:12] Speaker 4: And I don't need no money to put put, you know,
[47:15] Speaker 4: do a prop bit to make myself enjoy it. And
[47:17] Speaker 4: I mean, again, I, I'm grateful for that. I understand
[47:20] Speaker 4: if you don't feel that way, then, you know, Hey man,
[47:23] Speaker 4: go with God. But I, I mean, they are praying
[47:26] Speaker 4: upon our week on, on people's vices and introducing them
[47:29] Speaker 4: to things and making them think that they could be
[47:31] Speaker 4: smarter than they are. And I also kind of think
[47:32] Speaker 4: that just because of like the way the economy is
[47:35] Speaker 4: and the job market, I wonder how many people, and
[47:38] Speaker 4: I'm not, I wonder how many people think that they
[47:40] Speaker 4: can make money actually.
[47:42] Speaker 1: Yo, that's the thing about it is that if you're
[47:44] Speaker 1: doing it for fun, that's one thing. But if your
[47:46] Speaker 1: plan is I'm about to hit for this lick, that's not.
[47:53] Speaker 2: Really how this works, brother.
[47:55] Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason they're sponsoring everything now. You
[47:58] Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like all them people.
[47:59] Speaker 1: Hey, man, they just like, look, it really is like rock.
[48:01] Speaker 1: They just like, look, man, we can get you to
[48:03] Speaker 1: hit that rock one time, baby. All we need you
[48:05] Speaker 1: to do is hit that rock one time, right? And
[48:08] Speaker 1: then after that, the rock going to take care of it.
[48:12] Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying? After you hit that rock
[48:14] Speaker 1: one time, the rock sell itself. I think I told
[48:20] Speaker 1: you once, one of my guys told me he took
[48:23] Speaker 1: jazz piano lessons and he said that he took piano
[48:26] Speaker 1: lessons from a jazz piano player. He said that he
[48:32] Speaker 1: told the story of that day where all the jazz
[48:34] Speaker 1: men did heroin. He's like, I'm a jazz man now.
[48:37] Speaker 1: I'm going to do heroin. He said he shot that
[48:39] Speaker 1: heroin up one time and he said that As it
[48:42] Speaker 1: was going, he looked at whoever it was and was like, hey, man,
[48:46] Speaker 1: don't you ever let me do this ever again. He
[48:49] Speaker 1: was like, I will be strung out on this shit
[48:53] Speaker 1: so fast. He said he could not imagine feeling better
[48:56] Speaker 1: than he did off that. I mean, it got to
[48:58] Speaker 1: be right. How good something got to feel for you
[49:01] Speaker 1: to shoot it?
[49:02] Speaker 4: I would be very afraid. I mean, I don't think
[49:06] Speaker 4: I don't think I could. It could get me like that,
[49:08] Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean, it is kind of scary how
[49:10] Speaker 4: bad people want it, man.
[49:11] Speaker 1: Oh, clearly it could get you. Like, everybody else is
[49:13] Speaker 1: telling you that very, very, very clearly it could get you.
[49:17] Speaker 4: I mean, how much better do you need your high
[49:20] Speaker 4: to be, man? I.
[49:24] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[49:25] Speaker 1: I just... See, that's the thing. It's not about need.
[49:28] Speaker 1: That's the mistake everybody makes is thinking it's about need.
[49:31] Speaker 1: It's not about need. It's just about want, right? Like, that's...
[49:37] Speaker 1: It's just about want. And yeah, it couldn't be me.
[49:42] Speaker 3: I guess so.
[49:42] Speaker 1: I mean, and when I say it couldn't be me,
[49:44] Speaker 1: not couldn't be me to get strung out. I just
[49:46] Speaker 1: got to keep myself out of that discussion. Right. And
[49:49] Speaker 1: I think that's part of it with the gambling, man.
[49:52] Speaker 1: Got to keep it. I think this is the biggest thing.
[49:56] Speaker 1: And I think I've talked about this before, but the
[49:58] Speaker 1: point that was made that the smartphone stopped online from
[50:00] Speaker 1: being a place you went to being a place that
[50:02] Speaker 1: goes with you everywhere.
[50:03] Speaker 2: So yeah.
[50:04] Speaker 1: When I go to Vegas, I play blackjack and I
[50:07] Speaker 1: might lose a couple thousand dollars in the course of
[50:09] Speaker 1: the weekend because I made that decision before I show
[50:11] Speaker 1: up that I'm going to play X amount of dollars
[50:13] Speaker 1: in blackjack. Maybe it'll go up a little more, but
[50:16] Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm going to have a good time.
[50:17] Speaker 2: I am going to play it. And then when I.
[50:18] Speaker 1: Leave the casino, I have left. With these sports books,
[50:22] Speaker 1: you never leave.
[50:24] Speaker 2: Right.
[50:24] Speaker 3: It's always there with you.
[50:25] Speaker 1: It's always wherever it is that you go. And that
[50:29] Speaker 1: to me, I think, is where this is different than
[50:32] Speaker 1: it had ever been before.
[50:33] Speaker 4: And you can check, I mean, it's actually, I mean,
[50:36] Speaker 4: if you just kind of back up for a little bit, Beau,
[50:38] Speaker 4: I mean, in addition to the proliferation of, you know, smartphones, just,
[50:44] Speaker 4: I mean, we really just got acclimated all of a
[50:47] Speaker 4: sudden to them holding major sporting events in Vegas. Yes.
[50:50] Speaker 4: You know, just like everything, like I just, it kind
[50:52] Speaker 4: of has been a remarkable shift over the course of
[50:55] Speaker 4: our lifetime because they were so deathly scared, so deathly
[50:57] Speaker 4: afraid of like, you know, the black socks or the
[51:01] Speaker 4: old NYU scandals. Like those things were actually, if you
[51:04] Speaker 4: were a sports fan and you kind of, those stories
[51:06] Speaker 4: were real, they were scary stories, man, about like how
[51:10] Speaker 4: they could totally destroy your reputation. And I just kind
[51:14] Speaker 4: of felt like, you know, I mean, I don't, I
[51:17] Speaker 4: don't know what's responsible for our changing wars around that stuff, but,
[51:22] Speaker 4: but I guess we, we just need a ways to sell,
[51:24] Speaker 4: to sell things to more people.
[51:25] Speaker 3: Maybe that's just what it is. And we're running out
[51:27] Speaker 3: of things to sell.
[51:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.
[51:29] Speaker 1: That's the issue is we're running out of new ways
[51:32] Speaker 1: to get this money. Last thing before we get out
[51:35] Speaker 1: of here. Deion Sanders is going to be the coach
[51:37] Speaker 1: of Colorado in 2026. Why?
[51:41] Speaker 3: Why would he be? I mean, what is he?
[51:44] Speaker 4: Look, man. So the one thing we know about Deion
[51:46] Speaker 4: is that he coached his sons basically every step of
[51:48] Speaker 4: the way. Youth ball, high school ball, college at two
[51:53] Speaker 4: different schools.
[51:54] Speaker 3: So that is.
[51:55] Speaker 4: I mean, that is an accomplishment. That's great. I would
[51:59] Speaker 4: love if I had that as part of my story, right?
[52:02] Speaker 4: That I got to coach my kids all the way
[52:04] Speaker 4: through and enjoy a lot of success and a lot
[52:07] Speaker 4: of attention. They're gone now. He's not doing well, like health-wise.
[52:12] Speaker 4: He already told you he don't want to recruit. He
[52:14] Speaker 4: didn't want to recruit. He told, I don't need to
[52:17] Speaker 4: leave Colorado to do this. So that to me, that
[52:21] Speaker 4: shows that like you actually don't kind of enjoy it.
[52:23] Speaker 4: a lot of parts of this thing. So what, what
[52:26] Speaker 4: are they building towards? Like, what are you, what are
[52:29] Speaker 4: you like, what is he coming back to next year?
[52:30] Speaker 4: What are these other kids coming back to next year?
[52:32] Speaker 2: And by the way, on the, um, short list of
[52:35] Speaker 2: C ain't no racism.
[52:37] Speaker 1: Brian Kelly out here getting killed for not being out
[52:39] Speaker 1: here doing the recruiting.
[52:41] Speaker 2: And Deion Sanders is like, for who?
[52:43] Speaker 1: For what? Brian Kelly, I guarantee you, Brian Kelly highlighting
[52:47] Speaker 1: that article and sending it to everybody.
[52:49] Speaker 4: Like, what about Deion, huh?
[52:51] Speaker 1: What about him?
[52:52] Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Brian, people like Deion.
[52:55] Speaker 1: Bro, and that has to drive him even crazier.
[52:56] Speaker 4: I know, right.
[52:58] Speaker 1: Because Brian Kelly's thing is he doesn't understand what the
[53:00] Speaker 1: problem is. And look, I don't know the man. I
[53:04] Speaker 1: don't know what the problem is either. But he doesn't
[53:05] Speaker 1: understand what the problem is.
[53:07] Speaker 4: I mean, do you think, I mean, he got to
[53:09] Speaker 4: know by now, right?
[53:10] Speaker 1: Clearly he does not.
[53:11] Speaker 4: Because the way, I mean, people just, I mean, celebrating,
[53:15] Speaker 4: you know? Like, I mean, it just, he wasn't a
[53:18] Speaker 4: bad coach. It didn't go five and seven. Like, the
[53:21] Speaker 4: program did not, like, hemorrhage or anything.
[53:23] Speaker 1: It just.
[53:25] Speaker 4: I'm just shocked that people hate him in that way.
[53:27] Speaker 4: I mean, again, so if you– I mean, I take
[53:30] Speaker 4: seriously the idea that a kid that worked on his
[53:33] Speaker 4: football staff died under his leadership, right? Like when he
[53:38] Speaker 4: was at Notre Dame, a kid– they had practice on
[53:40] Speaker 4: a very windy day, and the kid, I think his
[53:42] Speaker 4: name was Declan Sullivan, fell off the riser.
[53:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, Declan, yeah.
[53:46] Speaker 3: That's right, Declan, right, yeah.
[53:47] Speaker 4: So anyway, so yeah, so I get that, but I just–
[53:53] Speaker 4: I don't think that would stop a lot of other
[53:55] Speaker 4: people from hating other coaches.
[53:57] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[53:58] Speaker 4: Like, I don't think a lot of other coaches would
[54:00] Speaker 4: get this, would be branded like this if they had
[54:02] Speaker 4: that in their background, sadly enough.
[54:04] Speaker 3: But for Deion, man.
[54:07] Speaker 4: Like, also, bro, man, Carucci don't want to, I mean,
[54:10] Speaker 4: you know, she probably, I probably want to come back
[54:12] Speaker 4: to Dallas. So this is what I, so I want
[54:15] Speaker 4: to give some clarity on this because I talked about
[54:18] Speaker 4: Deion coaching at TCU.
[54:20] Speaker 3: I wanted him there before they hired Sonny. Sonny Dykes.
[54:24] Speaker 1: Who got you to a national championship game and you
[54:26] Speaker 1: gave him no credit for it.
[54:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[54:28] Speaker 3: I mean, look, was I wrong? I mean, was I wrong?
[54:32] Speaker 1: Who got you to a national championship game and you
[54:34] Speaker 1: gave him no credit for it.
[54:35] Speaker 4: Again, I think he's a nice guy, whatever, but it
[54:38] Speaker 4: is what it is.
[54:39] Speaker 1: All he did was get you to a national championship game.
[54:41] Speaker 1: Why are you telling everybody else that they should be
[54:43] Speaker 1: satisfied with what their situations are?
[54:47] Speaker 4: I didn't say, you know, at this point, certainly this year,
[54:49] Speaker 4: I think we should just keep it. Let's ride it
[54:52] Speaker 4: out and see what happens. But, I mean, the thing
[54:57] Speaker 4: about Dion, I think if Dion had gotten a TCU job,
[55:00] Speaker 4: I feel like this would all look a lot different.
[55:02] Speaker 4: He doesn't have no connections to Colorado. It's hard to
[55:04] Speaker 4: get people to go over there. Like, they don't have
[55:06] Speaker 4: no home. TCU, man, he lives in an area... maybe
[55:09] Speaker 4: one of the best recruiting areas. He'd be close to home.
[55:12] Speaker 4: I think he would be energized by being there. Like,
[55:15] Speaker 4: you know, if he'd been hired those many years ago
[55:18] Speaker 4: and he was going through these health issues, I don't
[55:20] Speaker 4: think people would be like, oh, man, this is his
[55:23] Speaker 4: last year.
[55:23] Speaker 3: But because we.
[55:24] Speaker 4: All know that he ain't got no connection to Colorado,
[55:26] Speaker 4: there's no reason for him to be there anymore.
[55:28] Speaker 3: That's why I think people say him.
[55:30] Speaker 1: Does TCU have enough money to be competitive in the
[55:32] Speaker 1: way that you're talking about, though?
[55:33] Speaker 2: Because that seems to be the biggest problem.
[55:35] Speaker 1: No, but I say the biggest problem at Colorado seems
[55:37] Speaker 1: to be that they don't have the money. And so
[55:38] Speaker 1: the idea that it would be much different at TCU,
[55:41] Speaker 1: I think, entirely depends on whether they have the money.
[55:43] Speaker 4: I think they've got decent money. I don't know if
[55:46] Speaker 4: they've got, you know, Indiana, LSU money. But I don't
[55:49] Speaker 4: think he needs that. And I definitely don't think.
[55:53] Speaker 2: He needs that at DW.
[55:54] Speaker 1: I think the money has also diminished the comparative advantage
[55:58] Speaker 1: of having Deion Sanders.
[56:00] Speaker 4: Okay.
[56:01] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, you got to pay him.
[56:03] Speaker 1: Like, it was one thing. He would never have gotten
[56:05] Speaker 1: Travis Hunter to go to Jackson State if the money
[56:08] Speaker 1: was what it is now.
[56:09] Speaker 2: And look, that's only four years ago or three. Like,
[56:11] Speaker 2: it's changed that fast.
[56:13] Speaker 4: That's right.
[56:13] Speaker 1: So that's where I'm wondering where, like I say, having
[56:16] Speaker 1: the facilities don't matter as much as it used to.
[56:18] Speaker 1: What about the charming assistant or charming recruiter?
[56:21] Speaker 2: How much does that matter? Especially since you don't want
[56:23] Speaker 2: to do the recruiting.
[56:24] Speaker 3: That's right.
[56:25] Speaker 4: But see, I don't think the thing is, if you're
[56:26] Speaker 4: a DFW, you ain't got to do that much.
[56:27] Speaker 1: You don't have to do that, but you don't have
[56:29] Speaker 1: to go this far. I think he don't want to
[56:31] Speaker 1: get on planes.
[56:31] Speaker 4: I bet he don't want to go.
[56:32] Speaker 1: But he was already saying he can't go to no
[56:33] Speaker 1: high school, which I thought was a preposterous thing for
[56:35] Speaker 1: him to say.
[56:36] Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, man. Yeah.
[56:39] Speaker 4: He's the one guy I think that could overcome a
[56:41] Speaker 4: lot of that in Texas. Because you also know in Texas,
[56:43] Speaker 4: for people who don't, the Texas high school coaches association
[56:46] Speaker 4: is a big fucking deal. You got to lay prostrate,
[56:50] Speaker 4: lay prostrate in front of them people. So they will,
[56:52] Speaker 4: you know, they can do whatever they want. You know
[56:54] Speaker 4: what I mean? They, they, they control a lot of
[56:57] Speaker 4: people there. They have a lot of influence in that state.
[56:59] Speaker 4: And Dion is like, I think he's the one guy
[57:03] Speaker 4: that wouldn't need them.
[57:04] Speaker 3: Cause he's like, man, there's a lot of brothers, man.
[57:05] Speaker 4: He could get, you know, old coach samples at Duncanville.
[57:09] Speaker 4: He's got a line on a lot of other guys
[57:11] Speaker 4: that I don't think, I think, because Deion is the
[57:14] Speaker 4: way he is, that he doesn't need all the same
[57:16] Speaker 4: stuff that other coaches need, right? I don't think it
[57:18] Speaker 4: would mean that TCU would be a national championship contender,
[57:22] Speaker 4: but I think it means that it would be 9-3
[57:24] Speaker 4: every now and again, and people would be happy with
[57:26] Speaker 4: the program under him.
[57:28] Speaker 1: See, 9-3 at TCU requires you to be a better
[57:31] Speaker 1: coach than I think that he has demonstrated himself to be.
[57:34] Speaker 1: I mean, has he done anything to make you think
[57:36] Speaker 1: he can coach?
[57:38] Speaker 4: I mean, they got.
[57:39] Speaker 3: Better last year, right? Like, that defense got better.
[57:42] Speaker 1: Okay, but they got better.
[57:44] Speaker 4: Shador's not a great, I mean, as we see, he's
[57:46] Speaker 4: not a great talent.
[57:48] Speaker 1: I hear you, but, like, I mean, they just got
[57:51] Speaker 1: their doors blown off by Utah. Like, managing clock stuff
[57:54] Speaker 1: like that, Deion has not demonstrated himself to be great at.
[57:56] Speaker 1: I don't think that his teams have a clear personality
[57:59] Speaker 1: or a clear identity that speaks to a head coach.
[58:03] Speaker 4: That's right. I mean, I'd be willing to take the change.
[58:08] Speaker 4: If TCU, so if anybody at TCU is listening to me,
[58:11] Speaker 4: if you want to try to go higher.
[58:12] Speaker 1: Oh, I get it on the chance. I'm just not
[58:14] Speaker 1: sure that it would go any different than it did.
[58:16] Speaker 3: Man, yeah.
[58:17] Speaker 4: I mean, I think right now it's going okay, and
[58:19] Speaker 4: he's rebuilding after he lost a quarterback that a lot
[58:22] Speaker 4: of people thought should have been an early round draft
[58:25] Speaker 4: pick and a Heisman Trophy winner and some other guys,
[58:28] Speaker 4: and he's having to replace them, and that's what's going
[58:30] Speaker 4: to happen to Colorado. And Colorado's just a difficult job.
[58:33] Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a five-star quarterback, right?
[58:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a five-star quarterback.
[58:37] Speaker 4: He got a five-star left tackle not so long ago.
[58:41] Speaker 4: So he's still able to get kids every now and again,
[58:44] Speaker 4: but it's just a tougher sell at Colorado, even as
[58:48] Speaker 4: beautiful as Colorado is, the tradition it has. I think
[58:52] Speaker 4: more for Deion, I'm like, why do you want to
[58:54] Speaker 4: do this more than Colorado?
[58:56] Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
[58:57] Speaker 1: Colorado will keep him as long as he is willing
[59:01] Speaker 1: to stay. I, like you, I think the health stuff.
[59:05] Speaker 1: But I'm not in his body, so I want to
[59:07] Speaker 1: be careful, you know, making too many assumptions about what
[59:12] Speaker 1: he'll do because of his health. But I don't think
[59:14] Speaker 1: I would continue to do that job.
[59:16] Speaker 3: It seems really difficult.
[59:17] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, maybe he could do a thing
[59:19] Speaker 4: where he takes some time off and gets healthy or
[59:22] Speaker 4: whatever and he'll feel differently. I think college football is
[59:26] Speaker 4: better with Deion.
[59:29] Speaker 1: But it's only better with Deion if he'd do anything
[59:31] Speaker 1: to make us pay attention. They have been a wholly
[59:34] Speaker 1: irrelevant factor.
[59:35] Speaker 4: But I would still watch them when they're not good sometimes.
[59:38] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I still think that Colorado Georgia
[59:40] Speaker 4: Tech season opener did pretty decent, even though nobody was like.
[59:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have no idea what the numbers are now. Like,
[59:46] Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are still paying attention.
[59:47] Speaker 3: It clearly ain't what it is.
[59:48] Speaker 4: I know one thing.
[59:49] Speaker 3: Raekwon... And whoever else, they ain't showing up on the sidelines.
[59:53] Speaker 1: That's a great question.
[59:54] Speaker 2: That was actually what I was curious about.
[59:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, now that kind of stuff is over. But, you know,
[1:00:00] Speaker 4: they still have a little bit of cash in. There's
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: still some people rooting for them. So, you know, I mean, yeah, Colorado, man,
[1:00:05] Speaker 4: I'm sure they will hold on to them forever because
[1:00:07] Speaker 4: that ain't no easy job no more neither.
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: I mean, look, Bill McCartney, underrated, great all-time coach.
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: I mean, Gary Barnett.
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, also, Big 8 recruiting standards.
[1:00:19] Speaker 4: That's a very– I mean, also, I mean, it's a
[1:00:22] Speaker 4: lot easier when you have to play against Oklahoma State.
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: Those Kansas State's Kansas.
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: And Big A, man, you had two games.
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: To play every year.
[1:00:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, Nebraska and Oklahoma.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: Nebraska and Oklahoma. That's all you had to do. But
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: that is Joel Anderson.
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: Check him out on the Ranger Tailgate, also on the
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: Press Box, and wherever you are, if you listen very carefully,
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: you can hear Joel hating on me somehow, some way.
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: He's doing it.
[1:00:45] Speaker 4: I just want people to really take note of how
[1:00:47] Speaker 4: this conversation has evolved from where it started to where
[1:00:50] Speaker 4: it ended and who was doing the hating, you know,
[1:00:52] Speaker 4: that's what, that's what I would think about.
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: I was going to say something. You know what?
[1:00:56] Speaker 4: I actually, I was going to clown you for a
[1:00:57] Speaker 4: second because I thought you had like some mutton chops
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: on the side of your face. And for a second,
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: I thought I was like, that kind of looked like
[1:01:03] Speaker 4: a Benny the butcher type look you had going on.
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: But I, but then I was like, okay, you're.
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: I wanted to hate so bad that I thought I
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: saw something that wasn't even there.
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: That's what I just heard you say.
[1:01:17] Speaker 4: No, I mean, I just, I was like, oh, that
[1:01:20] Speaker 4: kind of, anyway. It's just for a second. You don't
[1:01:23] Speaker 4: look like Benny the Butcher.
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: You don't let me go, or.
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: on The Right Time. We do this three times a week,
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: sometimes four, sometimes with a hater.
[1:01:40] Speaker 4: Give that man five stars, but say that I'm the
[1:01:43] Speaker 4: reason for it.
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: Ryan probably handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, Ryan. Also,
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: hit the voicemail line, 323-596-7767. Remember, follow The Right Time, subscribe, like,
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