# Joel Anderson on How The Brendan Sorsby Case EXPOSES College Football’s Biggest Problem | 06.18

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 18 Jun 2026, 55 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by Joel Anderson for a wide-ranging conversation about the Brendan Sorsby gambling case, the NCAA’s response, and what it says about the future of college sports. Bomani and Joel break down why college football’s reaction to Sorsby felt so extreme, how the NCAA continues to struggle in court, and why the Protect College Sports Act could be a major problem for athletes. They also discuss whether Sorsby could end up in the NFL Supplemental Draft, how teams might evaluate him, and why gambling addiction should be treated more seriously as sports betting becomes impossible to avoid. Later, Bomani and Joel get into the hypocrisy around punishing young athletes, and Joel’s ongoing battle with arguing on the internet. . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Buy 'The Right Time' merch: http://therighttimebomani.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:25] Speaker 1: a hater. Speaking of which, it's a Joel Anderson Thursday.
[0:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, raise the roof, bro.
[0:32] Speaker 1: I love how you tried to be mad, but then
[0:34] Speaker 1: you got so excited raising the roof. You cranked that
[0:37] Speaker 1: bitch up so fast.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Let's do it. I know they didn't
[0:40] Speaker 2: do it on the north side, but that's fine. I
[0:44] Speaker 2: know you had to do it. I don't know if
[0:45] Speaker 2: it made it out there. It took a while. You
[0:47] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Just like... Fresh lineups.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. It's an audio podcast and
[0:53] Speaker 1: people can't see you trying to resurrect the rephrasing. Don't
[0:56] Speaker 1: act like you don't have the YouTube. We have a podcast.
[0:58] Speaker 1: We have to start. The algorithm gets messed up when
[1:01] Speaker 1: you start talking gibberish at the top of the show.
[1:03] Speaker 2: All right, fine. Okay, fine.
[1:06] Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to with Joe, but
[1:08] Speaker 1: I want to start with this Brendan Sorsby situation. Yeah.
[1:12] Speaker 1: And you and I actually have not talked as much
[1:14] Speaker 1: about this. And so I'm curious what you think, because
[1:16] Speaker 1: for those who don't know, Brendan Sorsby, and we talked
[1:19] Speaker 1: about this on the pod before, but Brendan Sorsby was
[1:21] Speaker 1: quarterback at the University of Cincinnati. He got caught gambling.
[1:24] Speaker 1: He gambled a lot. It appears, though, that Cincinnati knew
[1:28] Speaker 1: about his gambling two years before they did anything about it.
[1:31] Speaker 1: He got caught. He went. He got treatment. He transfers
[1:34] Speaker 1: to Texas Tech. They gave him a boatload of cash
[1:37] Speaker 1: to play there. The NCAA tried to ban him permanently.
[1:40] Speaker 1: a court in Texas said, ah, not today. And they
[1:46] Speaker 1: gave him a temporary injunction and basically college football in
[1:50] Speaker 1: some total revolted against Texas Tech. He had school teams
[1:56] Speaker 1: saying that they would not play against them. The entire
[1:58] Speaker 1: Big 12 basically tried to kick them out and boycott
[2:01] Speaker 1: the idea of playing against them. It's a long story,
[2:04] Speaker 1: but the attorney general of the state of Texas named
[2:08] Speaker 1: Ken Paxson, the dude that's running for Senate, he basically
[2:11] Speaker 1: made some kind of low key threat that then gave
[2:14] Speaker 1: the grounds for the big 12 to take this into
[2:16] Speaker 1: federal court and get the injunction overturned. And the filing
[2:21] Speaker 1: apparently was so overwhelming that Texas tech said, nevermind. He's not,
[2:26] Speaker 1: we'll go, we'll give the kid his money. Cause they
[2:28] Speaker 1: have to, they got a contract. He's eligible to play.
[2:31] Speaker 1: So they'll give him his money, but he's not going
[2:33] Speaker 1: to play there. But now he's going to drop his
[2:35] Speaker 1: lawsuit because that will make him ineligible again. And if
[2:38] Speaker 1: he's ineligible again, He then perhaps qualifies for the supplemental
[2:42] Speaker 1: draft in the NFL. And that's where this is going. Yes,
[2:47] Speaker 1: it is so much that is going on there. I
[2:51] Speaker 1: personally felt like maybe we need to reevaluate the idea
[2:57] Speaker 1: that someone of that age getting caught doing what he did,
[3:01] Speaker 1: which involved gambling on his own team, just to be clear.
[3:04] Speaker 1: But I didn't see anywhere where anybody thought that he
[3:07] Speaker 1: himself was a true integrity threat, which I think is
[3:09] Speaker 1: a big deal. I am not comfortable with the idea
[3:13] Speaker 1: of the colleges doing the you got to go forever
[3:17] Speaker 1: sort of thing.
[3:17] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:18] Speaker 1: Like I see that a little more with the NFL
[3:19] Speaker 1: because we're dealing with full on professionals and full on adults.
[3:22] Speaker 1: With somebody like Sorsby, I am a little less comfortable
[3:26] Speaker 1: with it, but I am amazed that there have been many,
[3:29] Speaker 1: many times for all these colleges to gang up on
[3:31] Speaker 1: the side or right of something. And this is the
[3:33] Speaker 1: only time they ever did.
[3:35] Speaker 2: The only time I've ever seen colleges make this particular
[3:38] Speaker 2: sort of stand where it's like, we not playing y'all
[3:41] Speaker 2: is when they were holding the color line. Y'all had
[3:46] Speaker 2: a Negro on your team. We not doing that.
[3:48] Speaker 1: But not all the college did that.
[3:50] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
[3:51] Speaker 1: That was just regional.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Right. Right. They couldn't get a consensus on that. And
[3:56] Speaker 2: like a few schools didn't want to play San Jose
[3:58] Speaker 2: State in the last couple of years. They had a
[4:00] Speaker 2: trans woman play on their team. It's a lot of schools.
[4:04] Speaker 2: But other than that, I was not aware the colleges
[4:06] Speaker 2: could make this sort of a stand. on something.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Every single one of them.
[4:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh man, this is the thing
[4:14] Speaker 2: that has outraged the most.
[4:17] Speaker 1: Have we ever seen a level of outrage? I feel
[4:19] Speaker 1: like it was me and Stephen Godfrey all one. Me,
[4:22] Speaker 1: Stephen Godfrey and Cody Campbell. Cody Campbell is the benefactor
[4:25] Speaker 1: of Texas Tech Athletics. It was us three over here
[4:28] Speaker 1: and it was the world. It's the meme where the
[4:31] Speaker 1: dude pull out the sword and all the horses are
[4:33] Speaker 1: coming at him.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, so on my show, Ringer Tailgate
[4:38] Speaker 2: It comes out on Wednesday. You know, I talked about
[4:42] Speaker 2: this last week and a lot of people got mad
[4:44] Speaker 2: at me because I think we we align on this basically.
[4:48] Speaker 2: But the one thing about it is that, yes, like
[4:51] Speaker 2: if college sports are going to engage in gambling like
[4:55] Speaker 2: they just in the last year, they had reduced the
[4:58] Speaker 2: penalty against athletes for like they allowed it so that
[5:01] Speaker 2: they could vote. a bet on other sports.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Yes. Right.
[5:04] Speaker 2: Like they're the ones that say, it's kind of cool.
[5:06] Speaker 2: You can, if you're going to bet, like you could
[5:07] Speaker 2: do it. You want to bet on Australian rules, football, cricket,
[5:11] Speaker 2: whatever else. We'll, we'll loosen up the penalties on that.
[5:14] Speaker 2: So go ahead and do it if you want to.
[5:16] Speaker 2: And these are the guys, like the thing about Brendan
[5:19] Speaker 2: Soresby is he is right in the middle of the
[5:23] Speaker 2: demographic that is most vulnerable to gambling addiction. Yes. Right.
[5:27] Speaker 2: Like I, we, I wrote about this a couple of
[5:29] Speaker 2: years ago when I was at Slate. about like the
[5:32] Speaker 2: danger of gambling and it was taken as like, you
[5:35] Speaker 2: got basically a casino on your phone and these kids
[5:38] Speaker 2: don't know, you know, like this is a totally different,
[5:41] Speaker 2: they could be addicted to social media. So imagine the
[5:44] Speaker 2: ability to play games of chance with something that they're
[5:46] Speaker 2: really interested in.
[5:47] Speaker 1: Well, this is what I was saying. I don't mean
[5:48] Speaker 1: to cut you off. I didn't say this right fast.
[5:50] Speaker 1: We're putting the most addictive thing inside of the most
[5:55] Speaker 1: addictive thing.
[5:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
[5:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[5:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. It just doesn't. So I thought that was a
[6:01] Speaker 2: little bit hypocritical. But the other thing about it that
[6:03] Speaker 2: I really thought is that Brendan Sorsby was not accused
[6:07] Speaker 2: of throwing games. Brendan Sorsby was not accused of betting
[6:10] Speaker 2: against his team. Maybe there were two occasions, but they
[6:15] Speaker 2: did not impact the outcome and they were not based
[6:17] Speaker 2: on things that would have impacted the outcome of the game. Right.
[6:20] Speaker 2: And so people were saying, oh, man, this is a
[6:23] Speaker 2: precedent that is going to challenge the integrity of the games.
[6:26] Speaker 2: I was like, you do not actually believe that. You cannot.
[6:30] Speaker 2: There's no way that anybody thinks that because a judge
[6:33] Speaker 2: in Fort Worth issued a temporary injunction saying, hey, maybe
[6:38] Speaker 2: Brenda Sorsby has a point here and I want to
[6:40] Speaker 2: know more about it. And that you thought that, oh, man,
[6:43] Speaker 2: there's going to be a whole bunch of other players
[6:44] Speaker 2: that are going to decide, well, shit, maybe I'll bet
[6:47] Speaker 2: on my team and all these other games are going
[6:49] Speaker 2: to be in question. People do not actually believe that.
[6:52] Speaker 2: That is stupid. And if anybody sits down and think
[6:55] Speaker 2: about it for one second, you would know that you
[6:57] Speaker 2: don't believe that because there's no way that you're going
[6:59] Speaker 2: to look at a football game in October and be like, oh, man.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby played in it. How can I be sure
[7:06] Speaker 2: that this game was on the level? I just don't
[7:08] Speaker 2: believe that people actually think like that because if they
[7:10] Speaker 2: did look just this year, earlier this year, there was
[7:15] Speaker 2: a huge federal investigation into basketball players, literally throwing games,
[7:20] Speaker 2: literally throwing games, like, like, like almost 20 schools over
[7:24] Speaker 2: like 30 games or something like that. And so like
[7:28] Speaker 2: they had evidence, really strong evidence that these guys were
[7:30] Speaker 2: actually impacting the outcomes of games and Two months later,
[7:33] Speaker 2: we had the NCAA tournament. Nobody was like, well, shit,
[7:36] Speaker 2: how can I be sure that these games are on
[7:38] Speaker 2: the level? Nobody said anything about that. So that's what
[7:40] Speaker 2: I thought. Like, I just thought the outrage was just
[7:42] Speaker 2: sort of ridiculous to me because no people don't actually
[7:45] Speaker 2: believe that stuff.
[7:46] Speaker 1: Well, I would also make this point about the throwing
[7:49] Speaker 1: games because that's the thing about betting on your own
[7:51] Speaker 1: team in large part. Like, Pete Rose's thing about him
[7:54] Speaker 1: betting on his own team was like, but always bet
[7:56] Speaker 1: on us to win. Right. Right. I see what you're saying.
[8:02] Speaker 1: But the thing about the idea of betting on your
[8:07] Speaker 1: own team or just the idea of the integrity threat, right? Mm-hmm.
[8:11] Speaker 1: Let me tell you who cannot get away with throwing
[8:13] Speaker 1: no game ever. Brendan Soresby.
[8:17] Speaker 2: Yo, man. Yeah, absolutely.
[8:18] Speaker 1: Okay, because let me tell you something. Here's the thing
[8:20] Speaker 1: about people throwing games. When you found out that somebody
[8:23] Speaker 1: was throwing a game, you knew exactly what it was
[8:27] Speaker 1: when you watched it.
[8:28] Speaker 2: Yep.
[8:29] Speaker 1: Okay? You get away with throwing games when people don't
[8:33] Speaker 1: think that you would do such a thing.
[8:36] Speaker 2: Right. Right.
[8:37] Speaker 1: He's not on the... We got questions. You understand what
[8:42] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[8:43] Speaker 2: Right.
[8:43] Speaker 1: They're going to be all... If anything ever comes up about, gee,
[8:46] Speaker 1: I wonder if Brendan Sorensen was throwing a game, just
[8:48] Speaker 1: put it on the videotape. And then it goes from there.
[8:51] Speaker 2: Now, look.
[8:52] Speaker 1: I am, I don't say it on the air, but
[8:57] Speaker 1: I could be a little, I don't want to say reckless.
[9:01] Speaker 1: I want to say bold with my belief when I
[9:04] Speaker 1: am watching a fix or I believe that I am
[9:07] Speaker 1: watching a fix. I have a tendency to look and
[9:09] Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's a fix, but I see it
[9:12] Speaker 1: in refs.
[9:14] Speaker 2: Oh, yep, yep, yep. That's right.
[9:17] Speaker 1: I have two games in particular that I'll always remember
[9:19] Speaker 1: that I looked at and thought, oh, man, I feel
[9:21] Speaker 1: like there's a fix involved. One time, I was doing
[9:24] Speaker 1: Jim Rome's show. Jim Rome is burning. And so we
[9:28] Speaker 1: would do that show. It was in March, and the
[9:30] Speaker 1: conference tournaments would always come on right before. So it
[9:33] Speaker 1: would always be some conference tournament that cuts into our
[9:35] Speaker 1: time and leads in, whatever it is.
[9:37] Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
[9:38] Speaker 1: It was the Big East tournament, and I ain't never
[9:41] Speaker 1: seen a more obvious fix in my life where, like,
[9:44] Speaker 1: The game was ending and a dude had the ball
[9:47] Speaker 1: and was jumping up and down like he was in
[9:49] Speaker 1: the pocket. Like bouncing. The refs ain't called nothing. They
[9:54] Speaker 1: let that clock ran out and them refs ran out
[9:57] Speaker 1: of there faster than anything I had ever seen. And
[9:59] Speaker 1: it was like so crazy that once it was done
[10:01] Speaker 1: and we come to gym, gym like, yo, what was that?
[10:04] Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know.
[10:07] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like all I'm saying is
[10:10] Speaker 1: when cats are really out here shaving points or throwing,
[10:14] Speaker 1: it's not that subtle. That's kind of how they get caught.
[10:20] Speaker 1: This guy can't get away with anything. I feel like
[10:24] Speaker 1: with him, if they wanted to, they could have turned
[10:27] Speaker 1: this into a for real cautionary tale situation. You could
[10:31] Speaker 1: have sent him out to all the high schools to
[10:34] Speaker 1: explain the whole thing, all it was. But I think
[10:37] Speaker 1: to me, rather than reckon with what we have and
[10:43] Speaker 1: engage in some nuanced thought and maybe a shifting paradigm
[10:46] Speaker 1: in terms of how we handle these things, everybody's like,
[10:49] Speaker 1: you know what would make it a lot easier? If
[10:51] Speaker 1: we just kick this motherfucker out of here.
[10:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I just think that is a very, I
[10:56] Speaker 2: shouldn't say it's an American thing because I can't speak
[10:57] Speaker 2: to like, you know, what other countries are like, but
[11:00] Speaker 2: we believe in two things. We believe in punishing the
[11:02] Speaker 2: fuck out of people.
[11:03] Speaker 1: Yes.
[11:04] Speaker 2: And we still believe that like deterrence works. And like,
[11:07] Speaker 2: there's been reams of research that have shown over the
[11:09] Speaker 2: years that like the idea that if somebody is bound
[11:13] Speaker 2: and determined to do something like that, the scale of
[11:16] Speaker 2: the punishment does not really matter. What matters is if
[11:19] Speaker 2: they think they're going to get caught, not if not
[11:21] Speaker 2: what the punishment is going to be. And so I'm
[11:24] Speaker 2: just like banishing Brendan Sorsby does nothing to protect your
[11:27] Speaker 2: game's from integrity threats because the guys that are doing
[11:32] Speaker 2: it don't think they're going to get caught. They don't
[11:35] Speaker 2: believe that anybody's watching them. They think they can do
[11:38] Speaker 2: it sort of in secrecy and it'll be fine. But
[11:41] Speaker 2: for me, when I played or whatever, I was like,
[11:43] Speaker 2: And I didn't play in college, for real, for real.
[11:45] Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying? I was... But I
[11:47] Speaker 2: would have been like.
[11:47] Speaker 1: But you're on the team. Let's be clear so people understand.
[11:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was on the team. But I would
[11:51] Speaker 2: have never thought that I would be able to get
[11:53] Speaker 2: away with it. I'd be like, oh, I'll be the
[11:54] Speaker 2: motherfucker that'll fuck that up. I'll get caught, right? And
[11:57] Speaker 2: so I just don't... The idea that Brendan Stewart.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Again, I.
[12:01] Speaker 2: If you think Brendan Soaresby needed to miss some games,
[12:04] Speaker 2: I totally get it. I understand it, and I could
[12:06] Speaker 2: be down with that. But I also thought that it
[12:08] Speaker 2: would have been more useful if he had been able
[12:11] Speaker 2: to be at Texas Tech, advocate, talk to these kids
[12:14] Speaker 2: and people in his cohort that are vulnerable to this
[12:17] Speaker 2: sort of thing. And then tried to come back from
[12:19] Speaker 2: it because people were like, Brendan Sorsby didn't get punished.
[12:22] Speaker 2: Nothing happened to him. Bro, do you do you really
[12:24] Speaker 2: want to be Brendan Sorsby? Do you want to have
[12:26] Speaker 2: his name for the rest of his life right now?
[12:29] Speaker 2: This is what people are going to remember him for
[12:31] Speaker 2: for a very long time.
[12:33] Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this question. And I was
[12:34] Speaker 1: wondering if you were curious about this like I was.
[12:38] Speaker 1: You ain't have to wait until this court decision to
[12:41] Speaker 1: have a problem with him going to Texas Tech. like
[12:45] Speaker 1: was it simply that like we know he was going
[12:48] Speaker 1: to be there.
[12:48] Speaker 2: For a while yeah right his girlfriend is down there
[12:52] Speaker 2: at Texas Tech that's what it is that was allegedly.
[12:54] Speaker 1: Yeah interesting decision making process and they gave him millions
[12:59] Speaker 1: of dollars just.
[13:00] Speaker 2: To be clear oh yeah the five million plus or
[13:03] Speaker 2: whatever probably helped.
[13:04] Speaker 1: Yes supposedly allegedly but like you could have put this
[13:10] Speaker 1: fight up immediately like you didn't I don't know. I
[13:14] Speaker 1: don't know. It just felt so reactionary. I think that
[13:18] Speaker 1: was the thing about it in the moment is it
[13:20] Speaker 1: felt so reactionary. And I just couldn't believe that in
[13:23] Speaker 1: no moment did anybody stop and take a breath and
[13:26] Speaker 1: be like, all right, let's think about what we got
[13:29] Speaker 1: going on here. And that didn't happen. Like you did
[13:32] Speaker 1: an interview with Jeffrey Kessler, his attorney, right?
[13:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. We talked to him for Tailgate.
[13:36] Speaker 1: That's right. What did he have to say?
[13:39] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think his big thing was that
[13:41] Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know the facts of the case.
[13:43] Speaker 2: And I heard you talk about it on the show
[13:45] Speaker 2: last week, is that the judge in this case found
[13:50] Speaker 2: that the NCAA is not following its own rules. Like,
[13:52] Speaker 2: first of all, that they're like- Which.
[13:53] Speaker 1: Is, by the way, the same thing in the Trinidad
[13:55] Speaker 1: Chambliss case. It's the same argument.
[13:58] Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. The president here is not Brendan Sorsby. The
[14:01] Speaker 2: president is Diego Pavia. about how they're sort of loose
[14:08] Speaker 2: and half-baked with how they go about imposing their eligibility rules.
[14:13] Speaker 2: And so people can find ways to challenge them. This
[14:16] Speaker 2: was a part of that. But also to your point,
[14:18] Speaker 2: like he said, it's like, oh, the NCAA says we
[14:21] Speaker 2: care about athletes. Part of your mission is taking care
[14:23] Speaker 2: of them. well, this is not taken care of. Like
[14:26] Speaker 2: the judges, the judge was saying like, no, like this is,
[14:29] Speaker 2: you have a duty to protect and take care of
[14:31] Speaker 2: your athletes. This is, this is, does not align with that.
[14:34] Speaker 2: And again, it was not a settled matter. Like it
[14:37] Speaker 2: was just like the judge wanted more time to think
[14:40] Speaker 2: about this and to talk about it. And then, and
[14:42] Speaker 2: then they were going to hold the trial later. So
[14:44] Speaker 2: it wasn't like a decision had been made, but obviously
[14:47] Speaker 2: I think what people were most upset about was that
[14:49] Speaker 2: the trial was set strategically in a way that would
[14:52] Speaker 2: have allowed Brendan Soresby to play.
[14:53] Speaker 1: But is it strategically or is it just that's how
[14:56] Speaker 1: long it takes for that to happen?
[14:57] Speaker 2: Well, that's also, yeah, it's a legal process. It takes
[15:00] Speaker 2: a while, right? Like they wouldn't be able to rush
[15:02] Speaker 2: through it. So there's that part of it as well.
[15:04] Speaker 2: But yeah, Jeffrey Kessler thinks that most people just did
[15:07] Speaker 2: not know the facts of the case and that they
[15:09] Speaker 2: were mad and that they were opining without having read
[15:12] Speaker 2: much about the case or knowing much about what the
[15:14] Speaker 2: NCAA's obligations are to its athletes.
[15:17] Speaker 1: Well, he's right about that.
[15:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
[15:19] Speaker 1: And I also, I don't want to pretend like I
[15:22] Speaker 1: don't understand people being like, hey, man, some things are simple.
[15:24] Speaker 1: Bet on your own team. It's a wrap for you.
[15:27] Speaker 2: Right?
[15:28] Speaker 1: And that's just where it starts.
[15:30] Speaker 2: Right?
[15:30] Speaker 1: Like, they think we talking about Shooter's Joe.
[15:32] Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right.
[15:34] Speaker 1: You know, so they're like, what else is there for
[15:38] Speaker 1: us to talk about here? But something that's interesting, I
[15:42] Speaker 1: learned this when I did, I did something for Vanity
[15:47] Speaker 1: Fair in 2020, when the Players United movements and everything
[15:51] Speaker 1: were going on. And Bob Orr, who's the former Chief
[15:56] Speaker 1: Justice of the Supreme Court of North Carolina, who became
[15:58] Speaker 1: very interested in NCAA issues when Carolina got hemmed up.
[16:01] Speaker 1: And what happens is, very often is these lawyers who
[16:05] Speaker 1: never really paid any attention to this stuff, get into it.
[16:08] Speaker 1: And they're like, wait a minute, this is crazy town.
[16:11] Speaker 2: Right.
[16:11] Speaker 1: Right. Like the idea, what's dooming the NCAA is they
[16:15] Speaker 1: had an internal policy. The precedent didn't matter. Right. Like,
[16:19] Speaker 1: how many times have we heard them say that? That
[16:21] Speaker 1: precedent didn't matter. Every case was its own snowflake, right,
[16:25] Speaker 1: that they dealt with, and that's part of why they
[16:27] Speaker 1: keep losing in court. But Orr said that he was
[16:30] Speaker 1: talking to an investigator from the NCAA, and he was like, look,
[16:33] Speaker 1: I got your book of regulations or whatever it is,
[16:35] Speaker 1: and I've read everything about da-da-da and everything else, and
[16:38] Speaker 1: he says, where is the part about the rights.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Of the athlete? Man, there you go.
[16:43] Speaker 1: And the woman responded, and I quote, that's a good question.
[16:48] Speaker 2: That's a good question.
[16:49] Speaker 1: Right. So the NCAA has in its mission statement about
[16:53] Speaker 1: protecting athletes, but had actually nothing written on the books
[16:58] Speaker 1: about their protection. And so what I think part of
[17:00] Speaker 1: it is, is that we have a media core that
[17:02] Speaker 1: has grown up and has been conditioned in and throughout
[17:06] Speaker 1: their whole lives where the NCAA's only job is to
[17:09] Speaker 1: mete out punishment.
[17:10] Speaker 2: Right.
[17:11] Speaker 1: That's all it does. And wild punishments for things that
[17:14] Speaker 1: now will make you laugh. when you think about what
[17:16] Speaker 1: they've done to people over $ 2, 000.
[17:18] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Right? Like over $ 500.
[17:22] Speaker 2: Signing autographs in a place for like, you know, $ 200
[17:26] Speaker 2: or something like that.
[17:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, shutting everybody down. So, Oh, about 15 years ago.
[17:31] Speaker 1: It was really kind of with the Cam Newton story
[17:33] Speaker 1: that it really kind of, and actually what really happened
[17:36] Speaker 1: was when it happened with Cam, it was one thing
[17:37] Speaker 1: is when it happened with Johnny Manziel. Oh yeah. And that,
[17:40] Speaker 1: and that P popped up and people were like, well,
[17:43] Speaker 1: wait a minute. Why can't he sign some autographs?
[17:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[17:48] Speaker 1: You know, but what's that happen? Then people started asking
[17:52] Speaker 1: the questions, but I think that people are so accustomed
[17:55] Speaker 1: to the purpose of these examples. nobody's job is to
[17:58] Speaker 1: look out for the players.
[17:59] Speaker 2: Right.
[18:00] Speaker 1: And when somebody does, nobody really knows what to do.
[18:03] Speaker 2: Well, as Kessler points out, I mean, the NCAA was
[18:05] Speaker 2: initially started as a way, like Teddy Roosevelt wanted an
[18:09] Speaker 2: organization that looked out for the safety of the players.
[18:12] Speaker 2: Like that was like the NCAA's original core mission. And
[18:16] Speaker 2: everything that's happened since then doesn't really seem to have
[18:19] Speaker 2: much to do with that. And they've really outgrown that
[18:22] Speaker 2: initial purpose. And again, because this is all about competition.
[18:26] Speaker 2: Like really, I argue now that the NCAA is about
[18:29] Speaker 2: like the big schools were trying to restrict competition. Like
[18:32] Speaker 2: they want to make sure you don't cheat over here.
[18:34] Speaker 2: Now I'm saying like, Hey, Cleveland state over there, they
[18:36] Speaker 2: might be cheating. You know, was it, was it, what
[18:39] Speaker 2: was it? Jerry Tarkanian has said that the NCAA is so.
[18:42] Speaker 1: Mad at Kentucky. They go put Cleveland state on probation
[18:45] Speaker 1: for two more years.
[18:46] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And so like, I think that that's what
[18:49] Speaker 2: people think that the NCAA is supposed to do. Right.
[18:51] Speaker 2: Like just, manage the competition factor but really the original
[18:55] Speaker 2: goal was to take care of these athletes to make
[18:58] Speaker 2: sure that the safety protocols there make sure that it
[19:00] Speaker 2: was part it aligned with the academic mission of the
[19:04] Speaker 2: college and nobody is ever talking about any of that
[19:06] Speaker 2: shit anymore and the NCAA is dabbling in all this
[19:08] Speaker 2: other stuff and it has nothing it very very rarely
[19:11] Speaker 2: does it does it touch on any of that stuff
[19:13] Speaker 2: so I think that like the NCAA that's kind of
[19:16] Speaker 2: I think when you talk about when you talk to
[19:18] Speaker 2: Tom Mars and all these other guys it's just like
[19:20] Speaker 2: The NCAA is sort of a old organization that has
[19:24] Speaker 2: sort of outlived its usefulness and is trying to enforce
[19:27] Speaker 2: these rules that really everybody is looking at them as like,
[19:30] Speaker 2: this doesn't make any sense.
[19:32] Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was interesting that people, I felt
[19:34] Speaker 1: like after the injunction were like, well, what's the NCAA
[19:38] Speaker 1: good for then? I was like, yeah, keep going.
[19:40] Speaker 2: Keep going.
[19:41] Speaker 1: You're right there.
[19:42] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[19:43] Speaker 1: You're right on the precipice.
[19:45] Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know, the thing that made me feel
[19:47] Speaker 2: good about the Sorsby thing, because again, I don't I
[19:50] Speaker 2: think it's like you said, you, me, Stephen Godfrey, maybe
[19:52] Speaker 2: a few other people on this is that the sports
[19:54] Speaker 2: attorneys agree with us on this. Like they may differ
[19:59] Speaker 2: on like what should happen with Brendan Sorsby, like, you know,
[20:02] Speaker 2: whether how many games he should serve, if he should
[20:05] Speaker 2: play in college football again or whatever. But On the whole,
[20:09] Speaker 2: they look at this case and they say, oh, this
[20:10] Speaker 2: doesn't set any sort of precedent. Like, you do not
[20:12] Speaker 2: need to worry about that. And that's, I feel, because
[20:15] Speaker 2: of the people that are familiar with this case and
[20:17] Speaker 2: familiar with the NCAA bylaws feel that way, I feel
[20:20] Speaker 2: comfortable with.
[20:20] Speaker 1: Where I sit on it. The point that Mars has
[20:23] Speaker 1: made on Twitter about it, though, is this is the
[20:26] Speaker 1: thing that could drive that Protect College Sports Act through.
[20:29] Speaker 1: because it gives the full impression of chaos that the
[20:33] Speaker 1: Congress people need in order to push this, this, this,
[20:37] Speaker 1: this bill. And this bill is bad. I know that
[20:40] Speaker 1: you probably have seen, and not you, Joe, but like
[20:43] Speaker 1: the people listening have may have seen that the NFL
[20:45] Speaker 1: PA and the national basketball players association support this bill.
[20:50] Speaker 1: This bill is awful for shocking. I am floored by
[20:54] Speaker 1: the idea that that guy was mortified that the CBC
[20:57] Speaker 1: was had members that co-sponsored the SCORE Act, which was
[21:00] Speaker 1: the predecessor to this one. And this bill is not
[21:03] Speaker 1: terribly different from that one. This is really, really, really bad.
[21:11] Speaker 1: And I understand the argument that Sorsby, even if you
[21:15] Speaker 1: argue that Sorsby was in the right, it could tip
[21:19] Speaker 1: public and political opinion in such a way that leads
[21:23] Speaker 1: to something that I believe might be worst case scenario,
[21:25] Speaker 1: which is this bill. Right.
[21:26] Speaker 2: Well, and again, given the people that I've talked to
[21:29] Speaker 2: about this, about what might happen with this score bill
[21:33] Speaker 2: or the Protect College Sports Act, that won't do much
[21:38] Speaker 2: to address what happens with Soresby anyway. Like attorneys are
[21:41] Speaker 2: still going to be able to light that shit up.
[21:44] Speaker 2: They're just waiting. This act, the Protect College Sports Act,
[21:49] Speaker 2: is really about limiting the money that they got to
[21:52] Speaker 2: pay to these mostly black athletes. That's bottom line. That
[21:55] Speaker 2: is basically what this thing is all about. And like, I,
[22:00] Speaker 2: I guess that for a lot of people, that is
[22:02] Speaker 2: what is saving college sports because the argument is that, well,
[22:05] Speaker 2: they're spending all this money on football and basketball. Some
[22:08] Speaker 2: of these schools can't afford to do that. So they
[22:09] Speaker 2: may have to cut their fencing team or they may
[22:12] Speaker 2: have to cut their volleyball team or whatever and stuff
[22:15] Speaker 2: like that. And my argument is I'm sure it is
[22:18] Speaker 2: with yours is that that's, first of all, that's a
[22:22] Speaker 2: you problem. Like, you know, if you're a college, if
[22:24] Speaker 2: you're a college that can't afford to do that, then
[22:27] Speaker 2: you need to find the level that you can play it.
[22:29] Speaker 2: You know, once upon a time when we were alive,
[22:34] Speaker 2: barely alive, Ivy League was a major college football league.
[22:38] Speaker 2: Like they all they you know, they they played it
[22:41] Speaker 2: basically the top level. And then around the late 70s,
[22:44] Speaker 2: early 80s, they looked around and they said, we don't
[22:47] Speaker 2: want to have to build a bigger stadium. We don't
[22:49] Speaker 2: want to have to pay for all these scholarships. We
[22:51] Speaker 2: don't want to do all that. And so they dropped
[22:52] Speaker 2: down to a level. So those colleges should do that.
[22:55] Speaker 2: Like they're free to do that. Right. And again, the
[22:59] Speaker 2: money you give to these coaches, the money that you
[23:01] Speaker 2: spend on buyouts, the money that you spend trying to
[23:03] Speaker 2: lure a coach and paying them 13 million, $ 13 million,
[23:08] Speaker 2: you could use that money to pay for those non-revenue sports.
[23:10] Speaker 2: They just choose not to. Yeah.
[23:12] Speaker 1: I mean, I would make, I just want to make
[23:14] Speaker 1: this point and I think it's important because yes, it
[23:18] Speaker 1: is these mostly black athletes that we talk about right now.
[23:22] Speaker 1: They was doing this when it was all white boys too.
[23:25] Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.
[23:26] Speaker 1: Like this is where I think there are profound effects
[23:30] Speaker 1: that we could argue that are skewed. And especially since
[23:32] Speaker 1: the non-revenue sports are so primarily white. And so it
[23:34] Speaker 1: has been an idea that these black athletes have been
[23:36] Speaker 1: funding the existences of these other sports. But I think
[23:40] Speaker 1: we see enough in the world to tell us they
[23:42] Speaker 1: do the same thing to a bunch of white boys too.
[23:45] Speaker 1: Like this is about class and labor. as much as
[23:50] Speaker 1: anything else with some interesting, noteworthy overlaps into the race part.
[23:54] Speaker 1: But back when they had all the spots, they were
[23:56] Speaker 1: still keeping them boys broke.
[23:58] Speaker 2: Hey, look, man, one of the guys that initiated, that
[24:03] Speaker 2: is the reason for the term student-athlete is a former
[24:06] Speaker 2: TCU guy named Kent Waldrip. He got paralyzed at a
[24:09] Speaker 2: game at the University of Alabama, I think it was
[24:13] Speaker 2: like 1976, and he sued for, you know, he wanted
[24:16] Speaker 2: the school to take care of him and everything, And
[24:18] Speaker 2: what TCU and the NCAA did was they came up
[24:22] Speaker 2: with this term student athlete as a dodge. It was
[24:25] Speaker 2: a term of art so that they did not have
[24:27] Speaker 2: to pay a workers' compensation claim, right? And so that
[24:30] Speaker 2: was a white guy. So to your point, Bo, like
[24:32] Speaker 2: they've been trying to take advantage of these guys and
[24:34] Speaker 2: treat them not as laborers, the laborers that they are
[24:38] Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. And it's been enriching a
[24:41] Speaker 2: whole bunch of other people. Like there was some account
[24:43] Speaker 2: I follow on Twitter and I can't remember what it is,
[24:46] Speaker 2: but they're just like, they listed out the number of
[24:49] Speaker 2: staff that all these schools have in the athletic departments.
[24:52] Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, these are patronage jobs, man. These
[24:54] Speaker 2: are jobs that help pay for people that, you know, whatever, administrator, booster, whatever,
[25:01] Speaker 2: so their kids can work in the athletic department and
[25:03] Speaker 2: make a pretty decent salary doing it. So I just
[25:06] Speaker 2: don't have a lot of sympathy for these schools that
[25:09] Speaker 2: find themselves in financial trouble because they've known that they've
[25:12] Speaker 2: been doing wrong by these young boys and young women
[25:16] Speaker 2: now in college women's basketball for a very long time.
[25:21] Speaker 2: And they're like, you know, the bill's coming due now.
[25:23] Speaker 1: Hey, brother, I can't afford a Ferrari. Like, I kind
[25:26] Speaker 1: of can. Right. If I want to have a Ferrari,
[25:30] Speaker 1: I can make some changes and scrape some things around
[25:32] Speaker 1: and do whatever and have the Ferrari. Man, the insurance
[25:35] Speaker 1: is going to cost a lot of money, all that stuff.
[25:37] Speaker 1: But I could get a Ferrari. Right. But I can't
[25:41] Speaker 1: really get a Ferrari, so I just ain't going to
[25:43] Speaker 1: have no Ferrari.
[25:44] Speaker 2: Exactly. Right. Yeah.
[25:48] Speaker 1: If you ain't no baller, you know what I'm saying? Like,
[25:50] Speaker 1: like if you can't ball, then you can't ball.
[25:53] Speaker 2: Look, man, I make a decent salary, but I can't
[25:57] Speaker 2: afford all the house and space that I would like, bro. Yes.
[26:00] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, I really I would
[26:02] Speaker 2: like to move my whole family down. I have my
[26:05] Speaker 2: in-laws and my parents live. around me. I'd love to
[26:08] Speaker 2: be afforded a nice big house in Southern California or
[26:11] Speaker 2: Northern California where I could live someplace where the weather's nice, whatever.
[26:15] Speaker 2: I can't do it, bro. I got to live but
[26:16] Speaker 2: within my means. And I don't understand why the colleges
[26:19] Speaker 2: can't do that same shit.
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[29:03] Speaker 1: We are back with Joel Anderson. So now Soros is
[29:07] Speaker 1: going to try to go to the NFL, and this
[29:09] Speaker 1: is going to be fun. It looks like he was
[29:14] Speaker 1: projected to be a day two pick if he had
[29:16] Speaker 1: gone into the 2026 draft, and we know this because
[29:19] Speaker 1: he didn't go. Now he goes into the supplemental draft.
[29:25] Speaker 1: So for people who don't know how it works, the
[29:27] Speaker 1: supplemental draft is a silent single bid auction. Okay. If
[29:32] Speaker 1: they decide to have it, right. Cause they don't have
[29:34] Speaker 1: to have the supplemental draft. If they decide to have
[29:37] Speaker 1: the supplemental draft and he is in it, every team
[29:39] Speaker 1: gets to put in a bid for what pick they
[29:43] Speaker 1: would use on him first second third fourth fifth sixth
[29:46] Speaker 1: seventh round right and it would be the pick in
[29:48] Speaker 1: the 2027 draft you actually get a get the player
[29:51] Speaker 1: at a discount because there's a time discounting on the
[29:53] Speaker 1: pick when you think about So you can put in
[29:55] Speaker 1: whatever your bid is and ties are broken by the
[29:59] Speaker 1: previous year's draft order. Okay. He going to have a
[30:05] Speaker 1: pro day and it's going to be him and Holland
[30:08] Speaker 1: and they're going to go down there and they're going
[30:09] Speaker 1: to watch. And I am very curious to see how
[30:13] Speaker 1: it goes. If slash when somebody takes him.
[30:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so my initial thought on this boat
[30:22] Speaker 2: was that I was like, man, It's not like he
[30:25] Speaker 2: lit it up when he was at Cincinnati, right?
[30:28] Speaker 1: 27 touchdowns, five interceptions.
[30:32] Speaker 2: He was good, but nobody was talking about Brendan Sorsby
[30:35] Speaker 2: like he was Cam Newton or like Caleb Williams, right?
[30:39] Speaker 2: Like he wasn't nobody, you know, like I didn't, nobody
[30:41] Speaker 2: thought that he was a friend. And so I was
[30:43] Speaker 2: just like, then he's got this specter gambling over him
[30:46] Speaker 2: and all the things that he put in his court
[30:48] Speaker 2: filings about having anxiety issues and things like that. I
[30:51] Speaker 2: was like, man, I don't what NFL team would want
[30:54] Speaker 2: to put up with that. But then the dude, Quincy Avery,
[30:56] Speaker 2: who works with, you know, a lot of professional quarterbacks
[31:00] Speaker 2: and college quarterbacks of note, he's been saying, he's been
[31:03] Speaker 2: saying it for the beginning. He's like, no, like if
[31:05] Speaker 2: he had come out last year, he might've been the
[31:06] Speaker 2: second quarterback picked in this, in this most recent draft.
[31:10] Speaker 2: And that he calls him a little slower, Kyler Murray,
[31:13] Speaker 2: but bigger. And I was like, huh? He's pretty adamant
[31:19] Speaker 2: about the fact that he thinks teams might be willing
[31:21] Speaker 2: to drop a second, a third on him. I'm curious
[31:25] Speaker 2: to know. I'm interested to see if that's actually true.
[31:29] Speaker 1: But here's where I think he's interesting for a team
[31:33] Speaker 1: that needs to think about having a quarterback, right? So
[31:37] Speaker 1: I am pulling up the list of teams in the
[31:39] Speaker 1: league in front of me, and I'm going to go
[31:41] Speaker 1: through the ones that I think need to think about,
[31:43] Speaker 1: even if they went and got a little short-term situation, right? Mm-hmm. Miami.
[31:49] Speaker 1: yeah they got malik willis but clearly they don't believe
[31:51] Speaker 1: in that shit all right i kind of feel bad
[31:53] Speaker 1: for him what they doing him the jets they still
[31:55] Speaker 1: ain't got no quarterback.
[31:56] Speaker 2: They always need yeah they could use somebody yeah.
[31:59] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah they they still don't have one um cleveland
[32:03] Speaker 1: obviously still doesn't have.
[32:05] Speaker 2: But does it but don't wait hold on man they
[32:07] Speaker 2: got like a million quarterbacks.
[32:08] Speaker 1: Yes they do and they don't have one it's amazing
[32:11] Speaker 1: it's amazing.
[32:11] Speaker 2: They're very famous can't be good again.
[32:15] Speaker 1: Um, Pittsburgh.
[32:16] Speaker 2: Okay.
[32:16] Speaker 1: All right.
[32:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[32:18] Speaker 1: Pittsburgh. They're, they're, they're, they're a little, they're, they're, they're
[32:22] Speaker 1: quarterback short. Um, who else we got here?
[32:26] Speaker 2: Minnesota.
[32:27] Speaker 1: Oh, they got a Kyle Murray. I think, I think
[32:29] Speaker 1: they have a starting quarterback.
[32:31] Speaker 2: Okay.
[32:32] Speaker 1: Well, at the very least they got enough, they got
[32:34] Speaker 1: enough to think about right now. Um, new Orleans feels
[32:37] Speaker 1: like they have a quarterback. Uh, Tampa Bay is a
[32:40] Speaker 1: little weird because they have a quarterback, but they are,
[32:43] Speaker 1: I would not want to get into a protracted argument
[32:45] Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield because he don't let nothing slide. You
[32:48] Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying?
[32:48] Speaker 2: He looked like he was like, look, if they ain't
[32:50] Speaker 2: done by now, we ain't talking about that shit again.
[32:52] Speaker 2: And I believe him. I usually admit his words.
[32:55] Speaker 1: Look, man, his parents named him after Ronald Reagan. You
[32:58] Speaker 1: know what type that is. Hey, look, man.
[32:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, Resolute.
[33:00] Speaker 1: Yes, Resolute. That's a great way to put it. I'm
[33:02] Speaker 1: in Arizona.
[33:03] Speaker 2: Arizona, man. Arizona. All right.
[33:05] Speaker 1: So I'm hitting you with like, that's five quarterbacks there.
[33:07] Speaker 1: I think Seattle will need a quarterback at some point,
[33:10] Speaker 1: but neither here nor there. Right. So let's say we
[33:13] Speaker 1: got those, those five teams.
[33:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[33:16] Speaker 1: Let's say that you can put down a third round pick,
[33:20] Speaker 1: maybe even a second round pick. And not only do
[33:24] Speaker 1: you get this quarterback, you get a year to look
[33:28] Speaker 1: at him in whatever way. And then decide if you
[33:32] Speaker 1: want to use a pick in next year's draft on
[33:36] Speaker 1: an actual factual quarterback. Right. Right. It's an interesting situation
[33:41] Speaker 1: when you put it in those terms. For these teams
[33:44] Speaker 1: that know they need a quarterback next year, they can
[33:49] Speaker 1: do a little research on a quarterback right now.
[33:52] Speaker 2: They can get a head start on a guy that
[33:54] Speaker 2: would have been, you know, number two, number three in
[33:57] Speaker 2: this recent draft.
[33:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. And keep in mind, you never know who accidentally
[34:02] Speaker 1: might win seven games. You know what I'm saying? Like,
[34:05] Speaker 1: you think you about to be at the top of
[34:06] Speaker 1: the draft. The next thing you know, you remember when
[34:09] Speaker 1: the Texans made that trade for Will Anderson, and we
[34:11] Speaker 1: were like, this is crazy, because that's going to be
[34:13] Speaker 1: a top five pick next year, too. And it wasn't.
[34:16] Speaker 2: Man, we had no idea. Everybody was, who was old boy?
[34:19] Speaker 2: It was not Nick Casario. That's not.
[34:21] Speaker 1: No, that's him.
[34:22] Speaker 2: That's him? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I was like,
[34:24] Speaker 2: I thought he made a mistake. but yet Anderson showing
[34:27] Speaker 2: out in Houston. Yeah.
[34:27] Speaker 1: They turned out to be, he turned out to be good,
[34:29] Speaker 1: but also the pick didn't turn out to be the
[34:32] Speaker 1: pick that we thought that the pick was going to
[34:35] Speaker 1: be right. That any of those teams that are like,
[34:38] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see a world where Cleveland doesn't stink,
[34:42] Speaker 1: but they might mess around with five games.
[34:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. You just, yeah. You can just never tell in
[34:47] Speaker 2: the NFL, man. You know what I'm saying?
[34:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:49] Speaker 2: And I mean, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh is not going to be great.
[34:53] Speaker 2: Do you think Cincinnati is going to be that good?
[34:55] Speaker 2: Next year?
[34:56] Speaker 1: They'll find a way not to be.
[34:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, like Cleveland could pick up a
[35:00] Speaker 2: couple wins there. And, you know, the NFL is the NFL, man.
[35:04] Speaker 1: Bottom line, it was the great quote the dude had.
[35:06] Speaker 1: If Hannibal had electric corona 4-3, we called it eating disorder.
[35:11] Speaker 2: Right?
[35:11] Speaker 1: And look, Calvin Ridley got caught betting. Old J-Mo for
[35:18] Speaker 1: the Lions got caught betting in the building. Yeah, man. Like,
[35:22] Speaker 1: this stuff be happening is all I'm saying. And if
[35:26] Speaker 1: you're good, they'll find a way to deal with it.
[35:28] Speaker 1: We're just going to find out if they think he's good.
[35:30] Speaker 2: Right, right. Yeah, because, again, nobody has alleged that he, like,
[35:36] Speaker 2: tried to– he was a corrupt actor in the games, right?
[35:39] Speaker 2: And the important thing that Kessler talks about is that
[35:43] Speaker 2: these bets were made when he was not really on
[35:45] Speaker 2: the active roster at Indiana. So it was not like
[35:48] Speaker 2: when he was ever– so, like, people will be able
[35:50] Speaker 2: to rationalize this. And, yeah, I could– I could definitely
[35:53] Speaker 2: see a world in which, you know, they take a
[35:56] Speaker 2: little look at him. They get to look at him
[35:58] Speaker 2: in camp, see what they got. Maybe they throw him
[36:00] Speaker 2: out there a little bit this year. And then, you know,
[36:02] Speaker 2: if it don't work out, it don't work out.
[36:04] Speaker 1: But you know what else I think it is? And
[36:05] Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think about this. I think that
[36:07] Speaker 1: also what we're hearing a bit about is a rejection
[36:12] Speaker 1: of the language of addiction as a medical term. So
[36:20] Speaker 1: here's what I mean by that.
[36:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[36:22] Speaker 1: We've come a long way in terms of how we
[36:24] Speaker 1: view people on drugs.
[36:26] Speaker 2: Right.
[36:26] Speaker 1: Like, look, after 2020, ain't really no there are no drug.
[36:31] Speaker 1: The war on drugs and sports is over.
[36:33] Speaker 2: Right.
[36:34] Speaker 1: They're not they're not punishing people behind drug stuff anymore.
[36:37] Speaker 2: Right.
[36:37] Speaker 1: It is much more a look. My favorite thing ever
[36:40] Speaker 1: in the NHL was used to be. This is how
[36:43] Speaker 1: you knew it was all white boys. If you failed
[36:45] Speaker 1: a drug test, they just called and talked.
[36:48] Speaker 2: To you.
[36:48] Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure everything was okay. That's all
[36:51] Speaker 1: it took. But they stopped doing this. It's now a
[36:54] Speaker 1: treatment-based thing that we do with drugs. But now we
[36:58] Speaker 1: treat that as a medical situation where previously we totally
[37:02] Speaker 1: just treated that as a matter of will, right?
[37:04] Speaker 2: Right, right.
[37:06] Speaker 1: I don't know if people are prepared to treat gambling
[37:09] Speaker 1: that same way, despite all the evidence around us, right?
[37:11] Speaker 1: Despite how we've seen gambling destroy people. But if you
[37:14] Speaker 1: think of this in medical terms, then as a team,
[37:19] Speaker 1: you got a staff that you feel like can help
[37:22] Speaker 1: handle these things. Instead, we going back to the old adage,
[37:25] Speaker 1: once a crackhead, always a crackhead. Which, by the way,
[37:28] Speaker 1: is not wrong. If you were an addict, you are
[37:31] Speaker 1: an addict, you will be an addict, but you learn
[37:33] Speaker 1: how to manage it.
[37:34] Speaker 2: What it is addicts say it themselves that's.
[37:36] Speaker 1: Right but it tells you a lot about how people
[37:38] Speaker 1: truly feel about the gambling bug that they like man
[37:41] Speaker 1: he ain't gonna be able to beat that.
[37:43] Speaker 2: I just the thing that is crazy to me is
[37:45] Speaker 2: that people feel that way because gambling is all around
[37:49] Speaker 2: us bro you know like again we talk about it
[37:51] Speaker 2: is in your phone i've never i'm i'm really grateful
[37:54] Speaker 2: i don't have very many vices like mine is like
[37:57] Speaker 2: sugar you know what i'm saying right but yeah like
[37:59] Speaker 2: that's my big thing but like alcohol all none of
[38:02] Speaker 2: you know drugs and like that but like People that
[38:05] Speaker 2: can't help but do the fantasy football joint, that can't
[38:08] Speaker 2: help but do all these other things. I'm just surprised
[38:10] Speaker 2: that people don't look at the people within their life
[38:13] Speaker 2: and they can see that there's a generation of teenage
[38:17] Speaker 2: boys coming up that are steeped in this and are
[38:19] Speaker 2: kind of getting hooked on it. I feel like if
[38:22] Speaker 2: they don't respect it as an addiction, now that they
[38:26] Speaker 2: will be forced to eventually. Because eventually it's going to
[38:29] Speaker 2: start coming for people, man.
[38:31] Speaker 1: By the way, you do have another vice.
[38:33] Speaker 2: What's that?
[38:35] Speaker 1: Fighting people on the internet.
[38:37] Speaker 2: Come on, man. Come on, dog. You know what? I
[38:40] Speaker 2: will say, it got out of control yesterday. I felt bad. Yesterday,
[38:44] Speaker 2: it was the.
[38:45] Speaker 1: I called you in the morning yesterday, and you sent
[38:50] Speaker 1: a tweet about how you needed to get offline.
[38:52] Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you didn't. It got worse, man. Blue
[38:57] Speaker 2: Sky unnerved me yesterday. I was wilding out on Blue Sky, man.
[39:01] Speaker 2: And I remember, I was like, this does not feel good.
[39:05] Speaker 2: Do you know what the Blue Sky fight was about?
[39:07] Speaker 2: While I was still on Twitter. Which was just a
[39:12] Speaker 2: very made argument. But yeah, man. I do. You know,
[39:18] Speaker 2: there's a meme going around right now on the internet.
[39:23] Speaker 2: Ever since I was a little kid, I knew I
[39:26] Speaker 2: wanted people to watch how the fuck they talk to me.
[39:29] Speaker 2: And that was me as a kid. I've always felt
[39:33] Speaker 2: that I have a very strict sense of dignity and self.
[39:38] Speaker 2: And if people talk to me any kind of way,
[39:41] Speaker 2: it really sets me off.
[39:43] Speaker 1: When they talk to you any kind of way, it
[39:45] Speaker 1: sets you off. And sometimes when they just talk to you.
[39:48] Speaker 1: It sets you off.
[39:49] Speaker 2: I think I'm a nice person.
[39:51] Speaker 1: I think you're a nice person too, but your Itty
[39:54] Speaker 1: Cottaway bar is not like... No, I mean, I think
[40:00] Speaker 1: as you might imagine, I'm not so inclined to let
[40:02] Speaker 1: people talk to me Itty Cottaway. But you know what?
[40:05] Speaker 1: You can let some people talk to you Itty Cottaway
[40:07] Speaker 1: if you're not listening to them.
[40:08] Speaker 2: That's a good point.
[40:09] Speaker 1: They only talking to you because you put your face
[40:12] Speaker 1: out there for them to do it and half the
[40:15] Speaker 1: time they not even peep.
[40:18] Speaker 2: You right. You right.
[40:19] Speaker 1: I know. So yes, Joel, you have a vice and
[40:22] Speaker 1: your vice is arguing with people on the internet.
[40:25] Speaker 2: It's true. I need to get past it. I really
[40:27] Speaker 2: would like to. You know, the thing is, I've been
[40:29] Speaker 2: really proud of myself, man, because there was a whole
[40:32] Speaker 2: conversation around my appearance on Rewatchables. And I may have
[40:34] Speaker 2: mentioned it the last time I was here. And I
[40:38] Speaker 2: totally avoided it. I like I just like I don't
[40:40] Speaker 2: because I know that if I see what people are
[40:43] Speaker 2: saying about it, I will never be able to get
[40:45] Speaker 2: over it. And actually Bill, Bill, Bill Simmons, people reached
[40:49] Speaker 2: out to me and he was like, don't he's like,
[40:51] Speaker 2: please don't look it up. Don't bother, because I from
[40:54] Speaker 2: personal experience, you will not be happy. Like these those
[40:57] Speaker 2: people are crazy, like let it go. And I was like,
[41:00] Speaker 2: you know what? All right. I trust you on that.
[41:02] Speaker 2: And I trust you. I know that you're saying this
[41:04] Speaker 2: in friendship, that I need to stop this.
[41:06] Speaker 1: Dude, I had to say the same thing to Vinny
[41:09] Speaker 1: yesterday because they was firing him up about a bit
[41:12] Speaker 1: of a touch of inartful phrasing.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Hey, man.
[41:15] Speaker 1: And hold on, hold on, hold on. I want people
[41:19] Speaker 1: to understand this. Joel Anderson had the nerve to jump
[41:23] Speaker 1: in this group chat and say, oh, I know you
[41:26] Speaker 1: hot to somebody else about what was said on the
[41:30] Speaker 1: internet yesterday. And it said, and I quote, I just
[41:35] Speaker 1: add folks and get it out the way. Meanwhile, he
[41:38] Speaker 1: just came on here able to recall the exact arguments
[41:44] Speaker 1: that he had yesterday with people.
[41:48] Speaker 2: Look, man, people can quibble with Vinny on what he said.
[41:53] Speaker 2: And I didn't.
[41:57] Speaker 1: I understood his point. For people who don't get it,
[42:00] Speaker 1: he said Basically, what he was trying to say was
[42:03] Speaker 1: that when it's a new champion every year, it starts
[42:07] Speaker 1: to feel like a participation trophy.
[42:09] Speaker 2: Right.
[42:09] Speaker 1: And so somebody's like, are you calling it a championship
[42:11] Speaker 1: participation trophy? And his response was, if everybody wins one, yes.
[42:16] Speaker 1: But the internet did not receive it or clip it
[42:20] Speaker 1: that way. It ain't been on TV that long. You
[42:22] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? It ain't been on TV, but
[42:24] Speaker 1: not on this scale.
[42:25] Speaker 2: But the thing is about, and I get why he's upset,
[42:28] Speaker 2: because the thing is that it's not enough for people
[42:30] Speaker 2: to disagree and say, I don't like that opinion. Yes.
[42:33] Speaker 2: I don't agree with that. It's just like, how did
[42:35] Speaker 2: you even get your job? You clown. People start disrespecting
[42:39] Speaker 2: you and trying to malign you in a way that
[42:42] Speaker 2: I think is not commensurate with what the offense was.
[42:46] Speaker 1: Right.
[42:46] Speaker 2: And so, like, I saw Vinny going back and forth
[42:49] Speaker 2: with people on the internet, and he's sending tweets to us,
[42:52] Speaker 2: you know, from people that we know that went at him.
[42:56] Speaker 2: And I was like, Vinny, man, I get it, man.
[42:59] Speaker 2: If anybody understands what's going on, I get it.
[43:02] Speaker 1: Well, anybody understands it's me. I just don't understand why
[43:05] Speaker 1: it is that this is where I cannot influence y'all.
[43:09] Speaker 1: I have completely opted out.
[43:11] Speaker 2: Because you are a made man. You know what I'm saying?
[43:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, but y'all aren't.
[43:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not made. You know what I'm saying? Our
[43:20] Speaker 2: reputations and our careers are still sort of in, you know,
[43:23] Speaker 2: like it could go either way, you know?
[43:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I tell you this. It ain't going nowhere
[43:28] Speaker 1: good with y'all out here fighting.
[43:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. It looks crazy.
[43:32] Speaker 1: Look, you are an embodiment of what I say is
[43:36] Speaker 1: why you can't respond to people. Social media is just
[43:39] Speaker 1: where people go to be unhappy.
[43:41] Speaker 2: It's fair.
[43:42] Speaker 1: You go do that. Joel not having a good day?
[43:45] Speaker 1: Don't you worry. He'll be tweeting shortly. He might not
[43:48] Speaker 1: be tweeting about the bad day, but that's where you
[43:51] Speaker 1: do it.
[43:52] Speaker 2: I told people yesterday on Blue Sky, I was like, look, man,
[43:55] Speaker 2: I'm having one of those days where they talk about
[43:59] Speaker 2: you don't know what's going on in somebody's life. And
[44:01] Speaker 2: I was like, I'm having one of those days today.
[44:04] Speaker 2: And I was like, so please don't argue with me
[44:06] Speaker 2: about this.
[44:07] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was going to
[44:10] Speaker 1: do it.
[44:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I know. And then I kept on going,
[44:12] Speaker 2: but it was tough. So, yeah. Anyway, do y'all know
[44:18] Speaker 2: how good of a friend Bo is, man? Bo sent
[44:21] Speaker 2: me a Kindle. I did. He sent me a Kindle
[44:24] Speaker 2: so that I could read. And actually, I'm reading the
[44:26] Speaker 2: Dick Gregory autobiography on here right now.
[44:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I sent you that Kindle because it sounded like
[44:33] Speaker 1: you were doing your e-reading either on your phone or
[44:35] Speaker 1: your iPad, which was tied to all the other devices.
[44:39] Speaker 1: And so I sent you a Kindle so you would
[44:41] Speaker 1: not have to go into the cauldron in order to read.
[44:45] Speaker 1: I know. I was hoping that it could be a replacement.
[44:47] Speaker 1: And look, I do this for myself. I'm on a
[44:49] Speaker 1: little too much too, but I've just decided I won't
[44:51] Speaker 1: be talking to nobody about it. You know, I don't,
[44:54] Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, you can say whatever you want
[44:56] Speaker 1: about what I done said.
[44:57] Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. That's true. I mean, look again,
[45:00] Speaker 2: and I respect that. I know that you are correct
[45:04] Speaker 2: on this. I understand. It's just, I get this. I
[45:07] Speaker 2: get it. Like you said, it is a vice. It
[45:09] Speaker 2: is a vice. My wife has been on me about
[45:11] Speaker 2: talking crazy to people on the internet since the very beginning.
[45:14] Speaker 2: Like early on, she's like, why don't you just put,
[45:16] Speaker 2: set that down? We were on the honeymoon and I
[45:19] Speaker 2: was fighting, I was fighting with people on Twitter, you know?
[45:22] Speaker 2: And I was sitting on the beach in Mexico fighting
[45:25] Speaker 2: with people. I can't believe that. I would be so
[45:28] Speaker 2: offended if I was her. I know. And I was like,
[45:30] Speaker 2: I just, I didn't, it didn't just, I still had
[45:32] Speaker 2: a great time. You know what I'm saying? But, but,
[45:36] Speaker 2: but I, you know, it's just very tough for me
[45:38] Speaker 2: to let things go. And I hold a grudge.
[45:41] Speaker 1: You hold a grudge.
[45:42] Speaker 2: I will hold a grudge. If you said something about
[45:45] Speaker 2: me and you don't think I know, I know. You
[45:48] Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? I know.
[45:52] Speaker 1: The only thing you like more than holding a grudge
[45:54] Speaker 1: is talking about holding a grudge.
[45:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Some people, man, you know.
[45:59] Speaker 1: And all of this is to say, on the same
[46:03] Speaker 1: device that Joel can't put down in the name of
[46:05] Speaker 1: his own blood pressure, they got the casino in there.
[46:10] Speaker 2: I know, man.
[46:10] Speaker 1: And they going to try to shut these boys down
[46:12] Speaker 1: because they got caught up in the web.
[46:15] Speaker 2: I just, yeah, man, it's tough, man. Like I said,
[46:18] Speaker 2: having it on the phone takes it to a whole
[46:20] Speaker 2: new level.
[46:21] Speaker 1: So let me ask this now that I think about it.
[46:25] Speaker 1: I have always felt that a big part of why
[46:28] Speaker 1: people are so harsh toward drunk drivers is not simply
[46:32] Speaker 1: the recklessness and the pain and everything else, but the
[46:35] Speaker 1: fact that every society has what I would term as
[46:39] Speaker 1: an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
[46:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[46:43] Speaker 1: And punishing those who drink too much allow you to
[46:46] Speaker 1: morally justify whatever it is that you do because you
[46:50] Speaker 1: stay within the confines as these irresponsible people that are
[46:53] Speaker 1: the issue and i'm wondering if part of what we're
[46:56] Speaker 1: going to see attitude wise when it comes to the
[46:58] Speaker 1: gambling is going to be very similar to that as
[47:00] Speaker 1: more and more people gambling they're like nothing wrong with
[47:02] Speaker 1: gambling i do it it's just fine what do you
[47:04] Speaker 1: mean you know i say okay it's just those people
[47:06] Speaker 1: that don't know how to die like they're brendan soresby
[47:09] Speaker 1: right and so that allows it becomes necessary to be
[47:11] Speaker 1: the one. If you engage in gambling, then you got
[47:14] Speaker 1: to come down extra hard on a dude that makes
[47:16] Speaker 1: a gambling mistake in order to justify the behavior that
[47:20] Speaker 1: you engage in.
[47:21] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, think about how long... People don't remember
[47:24] Speaker 2: this because they're not old enough. It was really hard
[47:27] Speaker 2: to convince people that drunk driving was a big deal.
[47:30] Speaker 2: In the early part of my life, this was a
[47:34] Speaker 2: long campaign to convince people that drunk driving was actually
[47:38] Speaker 2: a public threat. Mm-hmm. Like, between Mothers Against Drunk Driver
[47:42] Speaker 2: or whatever, people were like, I just have a few drinks.
[47:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point that we had to have
[47:46] Speaker 1: all these commercials at PSAs.
[47:48] Speaker 2: Oh, it was, bro, like, do you remember the fight
[47:50] Speaker 2: over seatbelts, for instance? Yeah. Like, people are wearing helmets
[47:54] Speaker 2: on a motorcycle. Like, it was very difficult. It's like, well,
[47:57] Speaker 2: you know, you get what you get. But no, but
[47:59] Speaker 2: people were like, you know, that's not, don't really affect me.
[48:01] Speaker 2: That's not a really big deal. But it took, like,
[48:03] Speaker 2: a long, sustained public campaign to be like, actually, this
[48:07] Speaker 2: is fucked up. Like, you should not do that. And
[48:09] Speaker 2: I think that's what it's going to take with gambling.
[48:11] Speaker 2: And as more of these kids get peeled off and
[48:14] Speaker 2: they end up owing tens of thousands of dollars and
[48:17] Speaker 2: they get in financial trouble or ruin their lives, skipping
[48:21] Speaker 2: school and all that stuff, and it affects people in
[48:23] Speaker 2: their lives, they're going to see. I mean, look, man,
[48:25] Speaker 2: I have a son. He's four. And I can only
[48:29] Speaker 2: imagine the things that are going to be out there
[48:31] Speaker 2: for him. And it's not a concern I have right now,
[48:34] Speaker 2: but I'm like, The way things are going, I'm like, oh,
[48:36] Speaker 2: that's something I'm just going to have to build into
[48:38] Speaker 2: the many talks I'm going to have to have with
[48:40] Speaker 2: him about, hey, man, you don't want to get caught
[48:41] Speaker 2: up in this shit because it can really take you
[48:44] Speaker 2: down a dark path.
[48:48] Speaker 1: And you're not going to win. I'm not talking about you.
[48:52] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the casino does not look the way
[48:59] Speaker 1: it looks because of all these winners.
[49:01] Speaker 2: Of course you have. I think what really helps people
[49:08] Speaker 2: is if you live in a city with casinos. Because
[49:11] Speaker 2: I lived in Shreveport for two years and going into
[49:13] Speaker 2: a casino for a lot of people, man, it's just
[49:16] Speaker 2: like all they got, bro.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Oh, buddy, let me tell you something. I went to
[49:25] Speaker 1: the Hammond Horseshoe in Hammond, Indiana.
[49:29] Speaker 2: Oh, man.
[49:32] Speaker 1: And I played blackjack in there. The saddest place I've
[49:41] Speaker 1: ever been in my life. If that casino is not
[49:44] Speaker 1: in Las Vegas or it's not in the Bahamas or
[49:48] Speaker 1: maybe China, I ain't never played over there, right? It's sad. Sad, sad, sad.
[49:54] Speaker 1: There's nothing fun about it. It is only fun in
[49:57] Speaker 1: Las Vegas.
[49:58] Speaker 2: Bro, look, man, I saw people in there with oxygen tanks, bro.
[50:02] Speaker 2: Pulling up to, you know, with the machine, the slot
[50:07] Speaker 2: machine joint, and I'm just like, yo, what is it
[50:10] Speaker 2: about this place?
[50:12] Speaker 1: But sports gambling is different because sports gambling gives you
[50:15] Speaker 1: the idea that you can outsmart the game. Right. And
[50:20] Speaker 1: if there's anything we know about our society, um, Self-awareness
[50:25] Speaker 1: about one's intelligence is not an American birthright. It is
[50:30] Speaker 1: that I was reading through the constitution and it does
[50:33] Speaker 1: not require you to be as smart as you think.
[50:36] Speaker 1: There's no rule that says you have to do that.
[50:42] Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, the thing is, this is
[50:46] Speaker 2: how I know it must be addiction, sports gambling, because
[50:50] Speaker 2: knowing what we know about sports, just how like random
[50:53] Speaker 2: they are. Like just the ridiculous shit that can happen
[50:56] Speaker 2: in any game. The, the surprises that we, the way
[50:58] Speaker 2: we get surprised over and over and over again. And
[51:02] Speaker 2: yet people still think, you know, but I got, I
[51:05] Speaker 2: think I got a line on this one. I think
[51:06] Speaker 2: I can do it. You know, I just, it must
[51:08] Speaker 2: be bad because there's no way that you could know,
[51:11] Speaker 2: you could know sports, love sports and think that you
[51:13] Speaker 2: could ever truly figure it out.
[51:16] Speaker 1: I have never once heard of a betting house putting
[51:19] Speaker 1: out a report being like, We're not making money. How come?
[51:24] Speaker 1: Because they just keep beating us. Right? They got all
[51:29] Speaker 1: kinds of reasons why they shut down.
[51:31] Speaker 2: But.
[51:32] Speaker 1: They just keep beating us. They ain't never got to
[51:36] Speaker 1: be like, yo, man, we got to go in the draft.
[51:39] Speaker 1: We got to go pick up some new mathematicians to
[51:43] Speaker 1: help us cook up these lines.
[51:45] Speaker 2: Right, right. We got to mix things up a little bit.
[51:46] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[51:48] Speaker 2: Make the odds more difficult.
[51:49] Speaker 1: Nah, nah, nah. They get out there losing. They know
[51:52] Speaker 1: exactly what that is. Somebody out here fixing games.
[51:55] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, man. Absolutely.
[51:57] Speaker 1: That's what they going to do. They're like, hey, hey, hey,
[52:00] Speaker 1: go see who put money on that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[52:02] Speaker 1: go give it a look.
[52:03] Speaker 2: They're like, ain't nobody that good. Ain't nobody that good.
[52:07] Speaker 1: Nah, they know exactly what time it is on that bad.
[52:09] Speaker 1: But hey, Joel Addison, check out Rangertailgate. Check out the
[52:13] Speaker 1: press box also on the Rangertailgate. And don't follow him
[52:18] Speaker 1: on social media because we have to stop encouraging.
[52:20] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know if
[52:21] Speaker 2: I would go that far. I would say you could
[52:23] Speaker 2: follow me and maybe I can find a way to
[52:25] Speaker 2: just share my work.
[52:27] Speaker 1: Or you could assure these people that if they follow you,
[52:30] Speaker 1: you're not going to just bombard them with all that
[52:32] Speaker 1: negative energy. Because my thing that worries me is it'll
[52:35] Speaker 1: never be no jokes. You just be mad. Like, as somebody,
[52:38] Speaker 1: I used to have all the jokes at the people
[52:40] Speaker 1: when they would come at me. You just call them hoes.
[52:44] Speaker 1: And mean it. And mean it, by the way.
[52:47] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I take issue with that. Sometimes I
[52:51] Speaker 2: do be funny on social media. You know what I'm saying?
[52:52] Speaker 1: I didn't say you're never funny, but to the people
[52:55] Speaker 1: who say stuff to you, no, you have no jokes.
[52:59] Speaker 2: I don't know about that one. I think about it.
[53:01] Speaker 1: Joel, Joel, if you think those are jokes, I am
[53:06] Speaker 1: here to tell you they are landing with a force
[53:09] Speaker 1: that does not come with a chance.
[53:10] Speaker 2: Hey, some people be like, oh, shit. You know what
[53:13] Speaker 2: I'm saying? Joel got them. Got them again. You know?
[53:16] Speaker 1: Those people are also miserable.
[53:19] Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm not a miserable person. I
[53:22] Speaker 2: think that's really the misnomer here. In addition to me
[53:25] Speaker 2: being a hater, is that I'm a miserable person. I
[53:28] Speaker 2: have a very fun, happy, love-filled life. I really do.
[53:32] Speaker 2: I have good friends like you, family that loves me.
[53:36] Speaker 2: I'm doing exactly what I want to do. And if
[53:38] Speaker 2: it's not coming through on social media, then that's too bad.
[53:42] Speaker 2: But if you think that I'm miserable via social media,
[53:46] Speaker 2: let me assure you that you are wrong.
[53:48] Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you, brother. You know, you know. I
[53:50] Speaker 1: appreciate you. I'm always rooting for you. Ladies and gentlemen,
[53:53] Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time.
[53:56] Speaker 1: I would say we do this four days a week. However,
[53:59] Speaker 1: the summer has begun and we are doing summer hours
[54:03] Speaker 1: this year. We will be giving you two episodes per
[54:06] Speaker 1: week this summer until football season gets started. That's the
[54:11] Speaker 1: trade you get for getting.
[54:12] Speaker 2: These four episodes per week. That just means he got
[54:14] Speaker 2: some trips on deck.
[54:15] Speaker 1: It's a lot going on over here, Mr. You are
[54:17] Speaker 1: not the producer of this show. Two days a week.
[54:21] Speaker 1: That's what we're going to give you, but we're going
[54:22] Speaker 1: to give it to you. It used to be when
[54:23] Speaker 1: I went on vacation, you got nothing that week. Now
[54:25] Speaker 1: you'll get stuff all summer long. We got series planned
[54:28] Speaker 1: for you. We got time machine stuff for you. So
[54:30] Speaker 1: we're going to try something new. Check it out. Ryan
[54:33] Speaker 1: Brumley handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit
[54:35] Speaker 1: the voicemail line because that'll still be there.
[54:37] Speaker 2: 3-2-3-5-9-6-7-7-6-7.
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[54:43] Speaker 1: Give us five stars. You only give us four stars.
[54:46] Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater, and we
[54:48] Speaker 1: will talk to you in a couple of days. Take
[54:51] Speaker 1: it easy.

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