# Mina Kimes on Eagles-Chiefs rematch, 49ers injury concerns, Arch Manning Mania | 09.12

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 12 Sep 2025, 1 h 01 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by Mina Kimes of ESPN & Omaha Productions. They start by discussing the upcoming Super Bowl rematch between the Philadelphia Eagles & the Kansas City Chiefs. They later discuss the issues, discussing Lamar Jackson & the Ravens, how big of a deal Brock Purdy's injury is, and if the Lions are in trouble. Finally, they discuss Tebowmania, the Shedeur Sanders discourse and what's next for Arch Manning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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[0:21] Speaker 1: a hater. It is Mina Kimes Friday. Mina Kimes for
[0:24] Speaker 1: all things ESPN. What's going on?
[0:27] Speaker 2: Hello.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Wow.
[0:28] Speaker 2: Have I co-opted Foxworth Friday today?
[0:31] Speaker 1: Whoever gets on Friday still gets the presentation, even though
[0:34] Speaker 1: it lacks the alliteration that makes it all, you know,
[0:37] Speaker 1: do the thing. You know what I'm saying?
[0:40] Speaker 2: Can your listeners come up with a Mina name? for me,
[0:42] Speaker 2: I would appreciate that.
[0:44] Speaker 1: All right. I am going to offer this opportunity from
[0:47] Speaker 1: them and I am going to cross my fingers that
[0:50] Speaker 1: they don't embarrass me in front of my friends. Like
[0:53] Speaker 1: this is a, this is, this is a ask the kids.
[0:56] Speaker 2: Okay.
[0:57] Speaker 1: Don't try to make no fool of me. Um, speaking
[1:00] Speaker 1: of being made a fool of, we got a lot
[1:02] Speaker 1: going on here in week two. Um, week two is
[1:05] Speaker 1: always interesting to me though because week two of the
[1:07] Speaker 1: nfl season is not quite like week two of the
[1:09] Speaker 1: college football season which is always terrible because they front
[1:12] Speaker 1: load so many good games and then there's nothing left
[1:15] Speaker 1: like we got a couple sneaking out here and they
[1:17] Speaker 1: gave us super bowl rematch the eagles and the chiefs
[1:22] Speaker 1: and i guess they both had short week me long
[1:25] Speaker 1: weeks because of um playing in the middle of the
[1:27] Speaker 1: week except the chiefs had to come back from Brazil
[1:31] Speaker 1: after getting their asses kicked. Like, is it rut row
[1:34] Speaker 1: zone for the Chiefs if they lose this game? No.
[1:37] Speaker 2: No. I'm not throwing dirt on the Chiefs in week two.
[1:40] Speaker 1: I'm fine.
[1:42] Speaker 2: But it's not going to feel great. The funny thing is,
[1:44] Speaker 2: I think, despite being in the Super Bowl, both of
[1:47] Speaker 2: these teams sort of had underwhelming week ones. I think
[1:51] Speaker 2: with the Eagles, obviously, you can explain a lot of
[1:53] Speaker 2: that away with the Jalen Carter ejection.
[1:57] Speaker 1: However.
[1:58] Speaker 2: Also, it's like, well, that's it? You take out Jalen Carter?
[2:02] Speaker 2: Is his defense no longer– I think that is kind
[2:04] Speaker 2: of a scary feeling for Eagles fans, also seeing what
[2:08] Speaker 2: they knew was a vulnerability all offseason, the second cornerback
[2:11] Speaker 2: position be so glaringly exposed as one. But I think what–
[2:18] Speaker 2: and this is why week one is so funny. Context
[2:20] Speaker 2: is kind of hard to– like you're watching these and
[2:24] Speaker 2: you're thinking, wow, Daniel Jones looks amazing, but is the Dolphins'
[2:26] Speaker 2: defense just cheeks, right?
[2:28] Speaker 1: Right.
[2:29] Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys offense is actually a lot better
[2:30] Speaker 2: than people think. And I think that played into it
[2:32] Speaker 2: as well. So I think the Eagles are going to
[2:33] Speaker 2: bounce back in a big way. I'm a lot more
[2:35] Speaker 2: skeptical about the Chiefs in this one.
[2:36] Speaker 1: All right. I want to stick with the Eagles there
[2:38] Speaker 1: because I think I think the difference in part of
[2:41] Speaker 1: why the Eagles performance, aside from the fact that they won,
[2:45] Speaker 1: wouldn't be quite as disappointing is. I think we all,
[2:48] Speaker 1: at least I did, felt confident saying, even if the
[2:50] Speaker 1: Eagles are better than everybody else, they were going to
[2:52] Speaker 1: be worse this year than they were last year. Like
[2:54] Speaker 1: I heard your man Dano talking about this. They lost
[2:57] Speaker 1: two guys in free agency who got $ 100 million to
[3:00] Speaker 1: play defensive line, right? Like it's just impossible to keep
[3:03] Speaker 1: a team like that together. But then we felt like
[3:05] Speaker 1: the Chiefs got better, right? Now part of it is
[3:08] Speaker 1: Rasheed Rice is going to come back, but he's not back-to-back.
[3:11] Speaker 1: He's just back on the team. Hollywood Brown, a couple
[3:14] Speaker 1: other moves. We thought that they had improved. The Chiefs,
[3:20] Speaker 1: you just pointed to something, and I'm always here to
[3:24] Speaker 1: speak for the underrepresented and the downtrodden, but yes, the
[3:28] Speaker 1: Chiefs have, not the Chiefs, the Eagles. The Eagles have
[3:30] Speaker 1: a problem at number two corner, but I feel like
[3:33] Speaker 1: the solution is right there in the slot, just maybe
[3:37] Speaker 1: a little bit. They don't want to fix the problem
[3:41] Speaker 1: when the man is right there, ready to do it.
[3:44] Speaker 2: They might have to do that. And isn't that always
[3:48] Speaker 2: how history gets made out of necessity is that's when
[3:52] Speaker 2: true racial pioneers step up to.
[3:55] Speaker 1: The plate is when there's no other choice.
[3:57] Speaker 2: There's no other choice. Yeah. Jackie Robinson to Jean could
[4:02] Speaker 2: absolutely play outside.
[4:04] Speaker 1: I don't know though.
[4:05] Speaker 2: Cause he's so good in the slot. I think it's
[4:07] Speaker 2: a matchup thing. You know, if you're playing it, the
[4:12] Speaker 2: thing about to the NFL now is like, slot corner
[4:15] Speaker 2: is no longer like, oh, let's just stick our littlest
[4:17] Speaker 2: worst guy there. It's actually really, really important. Like a
[4:20] Speaker 2: lot of teams play their best receiver in the slot.
[4:22] Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, you got to be
[4:26] Speaker 2: kind of wary of moving him, especially because he's such
[4:28] Speaker 2: a good nickel. He's so good at tackling. He's so physical.
[4:32] Speaker 2: I think the solution to the Eagles cornerback two problem
[4:36] Speaker 2: is playing the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, like, right. Like, uh,
[4:42] Speaker 2: because the problem with the Cowboys, and this is what
[4:44] Speaker 2: I was saying about how they're, I think they're better
[4:45] Speaker 2: than everyone thinks they got two ones.
[4:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Here we think about George Pickens. He is a one, uh,
[4:51] Speaker 2: very few teams have that kind of wide receiver death
[4:53] Speaker 2: and boy, do the Kansas city chiefs not have that
[4:56] Speaker 2: kind of wide receiver death.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Do you ever think that Riley Moss is just a
[5:00] Speaker 1: little bit sick of hearing about Cooper to Jean? Like
[5:02] Speaker 1: he ain't right there actually playing outside corner for maybe
[5:05] Speaker 1: the best defense. in the NFL. And I think people
[5:08] Speaker 1: don't even know that he the OG Cooper D.
[5:11] Speaker 2: He was also good last year before he got hurt.
[5:14] Speaker 2: And unfortunately he came back, I think from the injury,
[5:16] Speaker 2: not him, Riley Moss himself. And then he got killed by,
[5:19] Speaker 2: I think the Bengals was that one in national game.
[5:22] Speaker 2: Cause yeah, you're right.
[5:23] Speaker 1: He is.
[5:23] Speaker 2: He was the OG Cooper. He also has the misfortune
[5:28] Speaker 2: of playing opposite Patrick Sertan, which means he just gets
[5:31] Speaker 2: thrown at constantly.
[5:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[5:34] Speaker 2: It's unfortunate.
[5:35] Speaker 1: Well, first of all, that was going to be the
[5:37] Speaker 1: plan coming out of the huddle already, right? Like he
[5:40] Speaker 1: could be opposite Beaumont Jones and they're going to be like, nah,
[5:43] Speaker 1: Riley Moss. Let's see if that's the guy that we're
[5:44] Speaker 1: going to pick on until proven otherwise.
[5:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and Quinion Mitchell, to be fair, he's
[5:49] Speaker 2: not certain yet, but he's really good. And I think
[5:52] Speaker 2: he has that effect. Can I say something about the Chiefs? Yeah. I,
[5:58] Speaker 2: after all this wide receiver talk, I know we're correctly
[6:01] Speaker 2: criticizing their offense.
[6:02] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:03] Speaker 2: I'm more worried about the defense, man, after week one.
[6:05] Speaker 2: I think that was kind of like you talked about
[6:08] Speaker 2: how everyone thought the Chiefs would be better. I think
[6:11] Speaker 2: there's this assumption that because Steve Spagnuolo is so good
[6:14] Speaker 2: and Chris Jones is so good, they can just keep
[6:17] Speaker 2: cycling in these young DBs that no one's ever heard of,
[6:19] Speaker 2: like all named Justin and Josh, and it's going to
[6:22] Speaker 2: be fine. And it was not fine at all against
[6:27] Speaker 2: the Chargers. And I think kind of maybe that got
[6:30] Speaker 2: slept on a little bit this offseason that they– have
[6:33] Speaker 2: really gotten younger and younger on defense.
[6:36] Speaker 1: I would also point out that Chris Jones is 31
[6:38] Speaker 1: years old. And, you know, you can only expect but
[6:43] Speaker 1: so much. Like, I get worried, and I know that
[6:45] Speaker 1: that back and forth that he had with, I've already
[6:47] Speaker 1: forgotten the dude's name, in the game in Brazil.
[6:49] Speaker 2: Tight and tight.
[6:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, but when teams start, like, it was like I
[6:53] Speaker 1: felt about my league neighbors. Hey, man, when it's like
[6:55] Speaker 1: this in week one, y'all already snippy in week one.
[6:59] Speaker 1: We just got here. We just showed up.
[7:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, it wasn't Tyre. Tyre was the Chargers defensive
[7:05] Speaker 2: tackle who hit Travis Kelsey.
[7:07] Speaker 3: Yes.
[7:07] Speaker 1: That was crazy.
[7:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's... I don't know, though. We've just done
[7:13] Speaker 2: this movie with the Chiefs so many times. I'm not
[7:14] Speaker 2: going to throw a... I think it's hard, too, after
[7:17] Speaker 2: watching the Ravens and the Bills, who... My feeling coming
[7:20] Speaker 2: into the season were those were very too clearly the
[7:22] Speaker 2: two best teams in the AFC. I kept the Chiefs
[7:24] Speaker 2: in that tier out of respect, but... Watching all three
[7:29] Speaker 2: of those teams this weekend, especially watching Sunday Night Football,
[7:32] Speaker 2: it just felt like those teams are cut above Kansas
[7:36] Speaker 2: City right now. And so it is just, I don't know.
[7:42] Speaker 2: Can you imagine the Chiefs in that game that we
[7:45] Speaker 2: saw between Lamar and Josh? It just feels different.
[7:49] Speaker 1: I feel that way, though. I mean, you just got
[7:52] Speaker 1: to wait for the Ravens to get a little yippy, right?
[7:56] Speaker 1: Like they have, I feel like, demonstrated themselves to be
[7:58] Speaker 1: the yip masters. You don't want to be the ones
[8:01] Speaker 1: we know as the yip masters. And look, Josh Allen
[8:04] Speaker 1: has spent a lot of his career being a yip master,
[8:07] Speaker 1: but he's not a yip master all the time, right?
[8:09] Speaker 1: Like he might have a yippy moment, but he just
[8:12] Speaker 1: looked like Superman in this game.
[8:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we can, these yips are pretty
[8:19] Speaker 2: much gone with him. I hate the Ravens thing so much.
[8:22] Speaker 2: I hate talking about the Baltimore Ravens because I am
[8:27] Speaker 2: a person who wants to believe that football is logical
[8:31] Speaker 2: and you can analyze teams and figure out their weaknesses
[8:35] Speaker 2: and game plans and go in and look through numbers
[8:38] Speaker 2: and understand what's going wrong. And then you give me
[8:40] Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens and I'm just, I'm just like, I
[8:42] Speaker 2: don't know what to do with this. Like, like as
[8:44] Speaker 2: an analyst, you know what I mean? Like, what do you,
[8:46] Speaker 2: what do you do with this? A team that loses
[8:49] Speaker 2: in weird, stupid ways in big moments, different ways. I don't,
[8:54] Speaker 2: I don't, I do not know what to do with
[8:57] Speaker 2: this team. I just don't.
[8:58] Speaker 1: A thing that I always lean on and it's very important.
[9:01] Speaker 1: You can never forget is we got all this other
[9:03] Speaker 1: stuff and then we got people stuff.
[9:05] Speaker 3: Right.
[9:06] Speaker 1: And people stuff comes up. We talked about this with
[9:07] Speaker 1: Dominique last week and Dominique, does not like to say
[9:12] Speaker 1: that people can't handle moments or pressure or whatever it was.
[9:15] Speaker 1: Like he just doesn't like to do it. But I
[9:17] Speaker 1: think that that is an incontrovertible fact. We see it
[9:20] Speaker 1: all over the place. We are all built to do
[9:22] Speaker 1: different things in different ways. Us doing television, for example,
[9:28] Speaker 1: there's some things I always feel about doing television. You
[9:30] Speaker 1: can or you can't. I can't necessarily make you better
[9:33] Speaker 1: at it, but there's some people a red light comes
[9:35] Speaker 1: on and they're going to freeze. It doesn't matter how
[9:37] Speaker 1: smart they are. It doesn't matter how much they know
[9:39] Speaker 1: or whatever. That light comes on and they ain't got
[9:42] Speaker 1: it right. This happens on other spaces. This happens in
[9:46] Speaker 1: sports where you get into your head and you start
[9:49] Speaker 1: thinking so much about what it is. that you have
[9:51] Speaker 1: to do. And it is something that can be overcome.
[9:56] Speaker 1: And by the way, to be seen as a champion,
[9:58] Speaker 1: you don't have to overcome it all the time. You
[10:00] Speaker 1: just need to pop up and do it once or twice.
[10:02] Speaker 1: But the Ravens, I think it's generally speaking a top-down situation.
[10:06] Speaker 1: And that is why I think it's just about time
[10:09] Speaker 1: up for John Harbaugh because Lamar ain't the only person
[10:12] Speaker 1: this happens to. In fact, in the game in Buffalo
[10:14] Speaker 1: last year, It happened to Lamar early. He pulled it together.
[10:17] Speaker 1: And it was Mark Andrews that then wound up wetting
[10:19] Speaker 1: his pants in front of everybody. If it's always somebody,
[10:21] Speaker 1: we got to start looking at who's in charge.
[10:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I also think Harbaugh, in that game,
[10:27] Speaker 2: you can correctly criticize him for being conservative at the
[10:30] Speaker 2: end and turtling up. Scared behavior.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:34] Speaker 2: And I think I don't– the problem is I don't–
[10:39] Speaker 2: not the problem, because I do agree with you at
[10:40] Speaker 2: a certain point if you're a team that keeps– doing
[10:42] Speaker 2: this and running into walls, there's really no one else
[10:44] Speaker 2: to blame.
[10:45] Speaker 3: Right.
[10:46] Speaker 2: I will say though, like, you know, that has not
[10:48] Speaker 2: been the problem in other moments where they've gone conservative.
[10:50] Speaker 2: So I just don't, it's so, it's so frustrating for me. Like,
[10:55] Speaker 2: I feel like the good doctor trying to solve a
[10:57] Speaker 2: medical mystery. I don't know why I went to the
[10:59] Speaker 2: autistic doctor on television there, but TV, like I, I
[11:03] Speaker 2: just see a lot of commercials for that show. Yeah.
[11:07] Speaker 2: I just, cause we get asked right on these TV shows,
[11:10] Speaker 2: like what, what's wrong with them. And it's my least
[11:14] Speaker 2: favorite kind of football analysis, which is people just talking
[11:16] Speaker 2: about vibes. And, but at this certain point, there's really
[11:20] Speaker 2: nothing else you can do with the Baltimore Ravens. They're
[11:25] Speaker 2: so good. Like for 80% of that team, they looked
[11:28] Speaker 2: like very game. Pardon me. They looked so clearly like
[11:32] Speaker 2: the best team in the NFL. And then it just all,
[11:35] Speaker 2: it all fell apart. And it makes me, and it's
[11:39] Speaker 2: going to be annoying too, because now, until the end
[11:41] Speaker 2: of the season, even if, let's say, they rebound and
[11:44] Speaker 2: they start dominating teams, everybody's just going to say, cool,
[11:47] Speaker 2: do it in January. And they're not wrong, but I
[11:48] Speaker 2: hate that. I hate that argument. I hate it so much.
[11:52] Speaker 1: I do think, though, you don't like everybody's side of
[11:54] Speaker 1: life's two gods. I do think, though, that if nothing else,
[12:01] Speaker 1: looking at the box score of the game against Buffalo,
[12:04] Speaker 1: and from watching it, but the box score kind of
[12:06] Speaker 1: tells the story. And look, they were so effective on
[12:08] Speaker 1: the ground that they didn't throw the ball that much. However,
[12:11] Speaker 1: I think number two receiver is more of a discussion
[12:14] Speaker 1: for them than we kind of give it credit for
[12:16] Speaker 1: being like, it's what's left of DeAndre Hopkins is what
[12:19] Speaker 1: you're kind of leaning on in this. You're also leaning
[12:21] Speaker 1: on kind of whatever's left of Mark Andrews, right? Like
[12:23] Speaker 1: these are, I don't feel like these are things that
[12:25] Speaker 1: are promised to you for the entirety of a season
[12:27] Speaker 1: at this point. That is where I would work.
[12:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, how about the defense though? I mean, that was,
[12:34] Speaker 2: because the offense really until the last two drives wasn't
[12:36] Speaker 2: the issue. The lack of pass rush jumped out to
[12:38] Speaker 2: me and they've been so good at, creating like ginning
[12:42] Speaker 2: up a pass rush through scheme. They don't have like
[12:46] Speaker 2: a dominant rusher on that defensive line, but I felt,
[12:49] Speaker 2: I think this is a great example of like, okay,
[12:51] Speaker 2: but let's week one, like, yes, it didn't look like
[12:55] Speaker 2: the pass rush was getting it done, but also Josh
[12:58] Speaker 2: Allen might be the hardest quarterback to sack outside of
[13:00] Speaker 2: your own quarterback and all the football and the off
[13:03] Speaker 2: the bills offensive line is awesome. So I don't want
[13:05] Speaker 2: to overreact to the defense and the lack of pass
[13:09] Speaker 2: rush in this because I, I think a lot of
[13:11] Speaker 2: that was just Buffalo.
[13:13] Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting if Buffalo turns out to
[13:15] Speaker 1: be that good, right?
[13:17] Speaker 2: Dude, the defense is not good, though.
[13:19] Speaker 1: I know.
[13:19] Speaker 2: They were good for one drive where it mattered, but
[13:23] Speaker 2: the whole game they were getting gashed.
[13:25] Speaker 1: I know.
[13:27] Speaker 2: I'm actually really interested in this week's game against the
[13:29] Speaker 2: Jets for that reason, because the Jets looked like a
[13:34] Speaker 2: very good rushing team week one, and the Bills team
[13:37] Speaker 2: just got ran through. So let's see.
[13:41] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:41] Speaker 2: Like, is this going to be an issue all year?
[13:42] Speaker 2: We're going to find out.
[13:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is AFC is going to be fun, man.
[13:46] Speaker 1: AFC is going to be fun to check. I want
[13:48] Speaker 1: to I want to get back to the Chiefs on
[13:50] Speaker 1: this question because I don't have the great answer for it. Right.
[13:52] Speaker 1: And you go back through the history of the NFL.
[13:55] Speaker 1: And I know a few people have written this piece
[13:57] Speaker 1: over the years. Like, I feel like either Grantland or
[14:01] Speaker 1: the ring or one of those incarnations of Simmons World
[14:03] Speaker 1: has done this. But when you go and see who's
[14:06] Speaker 1: held the belt for being the best quarterback in the league,
[14:10] Speaker 1: it is not quite the straight line that you think
[14:12] Speaker 1: it is, right? Like when Joe Montana retired, people of
[14:16] Speaker 1: my age and a little older had a fair point
[14:18] Speaker 1: that he was the greatest quarterback of all time. But
[14:21] Speaker 1: it didn't really get to a place where people thought
[14:23] Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback in the NFL really until 1989, 1990.
[14:27] Speaker 1: Dan Marino was the best quarterback in the NFL from
[14:31] Speaker 1: 1984 to 1986 without question. I'm not sure he was
[14:34] Speaker 1: ever the best quarterback in the league after that, but
[14:35] Speaker 1: you're not going to tell me that Dan Marino got worse.
[14:38] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That doesn't add up. And
[14:41] Speaker 1: I think that we're at that place now with Mahomes,
[14:42] Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback that I have ever seen, Yet it's
[14:45] Speaker 1: hard to say that he's better than Josh Allen or
[14:47] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson right now. But I don't know how much
[14:49] Speaker 1: of that is his fault because he was still out
[14:50] Speaker 1: here doing that Matrix shit in Brazil, completing passes that
[14:54] Speaker 1: seemed humanly impossible.
[14:56] Speaker 2: The way I would put it, if you shuffle all
[14:58] Speaker 2: the quarterbacks and put them on each other's teams, if
[15:02] Speaker 2: you took Patrick Mahomes and put him on either the
[15:05] Speaker 2: Bills with their dominant run game or the Ravens also
[15:07] Speaker 2: with dominant run game and those tight ends, I am
[15:12] Speaker 2: of the belief, and I love Josh Allen, Lamar, that
[15:15] Speaker 2: the offenses would look just as good, that Mahomes would
[15:18] Speaker 2: look like Patrick Mahomes again. And you can say that's
[15:21] Speaker 2: making excuses for him. I just think Kansas City, like
[15:24] Speaker 2: the infrastructure, is really not great right now, right? You
[15:27] Speaker 2: got a young offensive line who flux. You can't run
[15:30] Speaker 2: the ball for shit. You barely have any right receivers.
[15:32] Speaker 2: And the offense, like, looks kind of not right for
[15:37] Speaker 2: the moment.
[15:39] Speaker 1: It's just.
[15:41] Speaker 2: It's a lot of RPOs. And again, it's not fair
[15:47] Speaker 2: to Andy Reid for me to say, I don't know,
[15:49] Speaker 2: what are you doing? He is clearly having to call
[15:51] Speaker 2: that because of the limitations of the personnel. But Mahomes
[15:56] Speaker 2: is playing at a higher level of difficulty than all
[15:59] Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks right now. That makes it really hard
[16:02] Speaker 2: to compare them.
[16:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is a fair characterization. I think
[16:08] Speaker 1: we were talking about this earlier this week about Josh Allen.
[16:10] Speaker 1: Part of what makes it amazing for him is because
[16:13] Speaker 1: you need to send somebody with a big number to
[16:15] Speaker 1: take him down, he does not have to play on time.
[16:19] Speaker 1: He can be back there however long it takes. I
[16:21] Speaker 1: think teams have given up on sending the fifth guy
[16:24] Speaker 1: because the fifth guy is not going to be big
[16:26] Speaker 1: enough to take him down. So you send four, you
[16:28] Speaker 1: hope you get pressure, you drop seven, and he buys
[16:32] Speaker 1: enough time that somebody's going to get open.
[16:34] Speaker 2: I mean him and Lamar, right? Like they do it
[16:36] Speaker 2: in different ways, but the net effect is the same.
[16:38] Speaker 2: They're both, they're both unsackable and they both don't throw interceptions.
[16:45] Speaker 1: Like, what do you do with that?
[16:47] Speaker 2: What do you do with that?
[16:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[16:49] Speaker 2: It's, I know we like last year, it kind of
[16:51] Speaker 2: turned into world war three in the football world because
[16:54] Speaker 2: of the MVP thing. But like I, it was, you know,
[16:58] Speaker 2: and like we talked about this, I voted for Lamar.
[16:59] Speaker 2: I just thought what he did last season was just insane. But,
[17:03] Speaker 2: Right now, it's a hair. You could put them in
[17:09] Speaker 2: either order. They're just... And yes, they're both in much
[17:14] Speaker 2: better situations than Mahomes. Both play behind good offensive lines.
[17:18] Speaker 2: Both have a lot... I think the scheme is also
[17:21] Speaker 2: really good for both of them. But don't get it twisted.
[17:24] Speaker 2: They are the sons that the galaxy orbits around or whatever.
[17:30] Speaker 2: The solar system.
[17:31] Speaker 1: Like.
[17:33] Speaker 2: you know the reason guys are open the reason teams
[17:36] Speaker 2: are so afraid to run the reason teams play certain
[17:38] Speaker 2: coverages is because of those two quarterbacks and and what
[17:40] Speaker 2: they can do with their legs right.
[17:42] Speaker 1: Now I want to switch gears a little bit since
[17:45] Speaker 1: we're talking about all world quarterbacks with all the talent
[17:48] Speaker 1: in the world now we can talk about the San
[17:50] Speaker 1: Francisco 49ers I thought.
[17:54] Speaker 2: That was gonna be Justin Fields I was excited you.
[17:55] Speaker 1: Know I think that both of us agree that Brock
[17:59] Speaker 1: Purdy is a starting NFL quarterback, right? I don't think
[18:03] Speaker 1: we have to get too far into the hyperbole. He
[18:05] Speaker 1: is a starting quarterback. It looks like he's going to
[18:07] Speaker 1: be out for a while. He's got a bad shoulder,
[18:09] Speaker 1: and he's got that turf toe. Turf toe, number one
[18:12] Speaker 1: on the list, along with the hip pointer, things that hurt,
[18:15] Speaker 1: or the bone bruise, things that hurt a lot more
[18:18] Speaker 1: than they sound like when written on paper.
[18:21] Speaker 2: They called it a turf-toe variant, which sounds like the
[18:24] Speaker 2: worst thing.
[18:26] Speaker 1: That sounds like he caught it rather than he got it, right? Like,
[18:29] Speaker 1: I knew I should have worn my mask.
[18:36] Speaker 2: Brock Purdy now has had quite a few big injuries.
[18:40] Speaker 2: That's another thing.
[18:41] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he plays for the 49ers. Like, apparently
[18:44] Speaker 1: you need to have a lot in your what they
[18:45] Speaker 1: call an HSA system. Because you will be spending money
[18:48] Speaker 1: on health care playing for that roster. So he's out
[18:51] Speaker 1: two to five weeks. And you remember that time when
[18:55] Speaker 1: the 49ers traded to move up in the draft? Oh, yeah.
[18:58] Speaker 1: Everybody thought that they had given up the world so
[19:00] Speaker 1: they could go take Mac Jones because Chris Sims, who
[19:03] Speaker 1: has Kyle Shanahan's initials tattooed on his body, said that
[19:08] Speaker 1: if they made that move, they would take Mac Jones
[19:10] Speaker 1: and everybody ate the cheese. Well, guess who's going to
[19:12] Speaker 1: start for the 49ers this week at long last? Mac Jones.
[19:17] Speaker 2: You know what this is like For Kyle Shanahan When
[19:21] Speaker 2: you have like Someone you got a crush on In
[19:24] Speaker 2: I don't know Like high school And you've just idealized
[19:28] Speaker 2: it For so long Because nothing ever happened And then
[19:31] Speaker 2: finally You Let's take a high school reunion Or maybe
[19:34] Speaker 2: you're at home For Thanksgiving And you're at the bar
[19:37] Speaker 2: And you see them And It's There's just no way
[19:41] Speaker 2: It can live up To your expectations I feel like
[19:45] Speaker 2: That's going to be Kyle Shanahan realizing who Mac Jones
[19:48] Speaker 2: really is and what the limits are. of what he
[19:50] Speaker 2: can do with him this week. At this point, he
[19:54] Speaker 2: has to have given up on that dream. I don't know.
[19:58] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Because think about this.
[20:00] Speaker 1: Think about this. We all had, like, Kirk Cousins as
[20:03] Speaker 1: the Kyle Shanahan dream quarterback. But let us not forget
[20:05] Speaker 1: that when Kirk Cousins actually played for Kyle Shanahan, he stuck.
[20:08] Speaker 2: Right?
[20:08] Speaker 1: Right. Like he held on to what it could be.
[20:11] Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the comedian, Robin Harris? No.
[20:15] Speaker 3: All right.
[20:15] Speaker 1: Robin Harris. He died now almost 40 years ago, but
[20:19] Speaker 1: Robin Harris or 30 more like 35. But anyway, Robin
[20:22] Speaker 1: Harris had a routine that you probably couldn't really get
[20:24] Speaker 1: away with. And I am going to paraphrase it. And
[20:27] Speaker 1: he basically said he don't like having a good looking woman.
[20:29] Speaker 1: He said he liked having an ugly woman. You can
[20:31] Speaker 1: tell the ugly woman anything. He said, you walk in
[20:33] Speaker 1: and tell the ugly woman, Hey, I'm going to the moon.
[20:37] Speaker 1: I'll be back in a couple of days. And this,
[20:39] Speaker 1: you just say to him, will you be careful? I
[20:43] Speaker 1: feel like the Shanahan tree, that's how they are about quarterbacks.
[20:47] Speaker 1: They don't want no star at quarterback because they be
[20:50] Speaker 1: on their own time. They be doing stuff, whatever it is.
[20:53] Speaker 1: They want them an ugly quarterback that do whatever they say.
[20:56] Speaker 1: That is what they see when they see the Mac
[20:58] Speaker 1: Joneses of the world and all these other guys. If
[21:01] Speaker 1: you just do what I tell you, then everything will
[21:05] Speaker 1: be okay, man. These stars, these stunners, they got a
[21:08] Speaker 1: mind of their own. You know what I'm saying? That's
[21:10] Speaker 1: not what they're going for. And now old plain Jane
[21:13] Speaker 1: Mack Jones is finally walking in and Kyle Shatterhead is like, look,
[21:17] Speaker 1: I don't know how exciting she is, but I bet
[21:19] Speaker 1: dinner going to be ready on time. That's what he
[21:22] Speaker 1: thinks is about to happen.
[21:23] Speaker 2: Sorry, we got to get on with this tangent. When
[21:25] Speaker 2: you see that, the equivalent of an age gap relationship,
[21:29] Speaker 2: shall we say a looks gap relationship? Because I don't
[21:33] Speaker 2: know what your algorithm is like. My algorithm shows me
[21:36] Speaker 2: a lot of... I think it's because it's rage bait
[21:38] Speaker 2: for people. A lot of age gaps both ways. Yes.
[21:41] Speaker 2: And then they show me... the man with the surprising women.
[21:44] Speaker 1: Right. I see that.
[21:46] Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe men see the reverse. I don't know. Do
[21:48] Speaker 2: you see like the, the woman with the surprising man who.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Look, all I ever think when I see such a thing.
[21:56] Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to ask you.
[21:59] Speaker 1: There is an explanation.
[22:01] Speaker 2: Just a neutral, like could be.
[22:04] Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily what that explanation might be.
[22:07] Speaker 2: You don't think, man, she's.
[22:10] Speaker 1: It's on the board. It's on the board. What you're
[22:13] Speaker 1: saying is yes, 100% on the board. Like, look, when
[22:17] Speaker 1: this happens and there is a gap of sorts, the
[22:20] Speaker 1: way this goes is dude, and I don't know how
[22:22] Speaker 1: this goes is women, because I think with women, when
[22:24] Speaker 1: it's a gap, you just assume the dude is really nice.
[22:27] Speaker 1: Or rich. Yeah. The gap that we wind up with
[22:30] Speaker 1: here is, or when the gap is present, you see
[22:33] Speaker 1: the two of them together or you meet them and
[22:35] Speaker 1: they're together and then she leaves and then the dude
[22:38] Speaker 1: hits you out of nowhere, man. Dog, I'm telling you, boy,
[22:41] Speaker 1: she cool as hell. Or, or, boy, I'm telling you, boy,
[22:45] Speaker 1: once that food ready, boy, we gonna eat. Like, they're
[22:48] Speaker 1: going to, they're immediately like, I know, I know, I know,
[22:52] Speaker 1: but they immediately go there.
[22:56] Speaker 2: Or my brain was going somewhere else. I was thinking rejected, rejected, rejected.
[23:00] Speaker 1: It's on the board. It's on the board. I'm just
[23:03] Speaker 1: telling you what the fella says because what else is
[23:06] Speaker 1: on the board you can't, you shouldn't tell your partners.
[23:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it is the assumption that everyone, well,
[23:14] Speaker 2: there's a few, yeah.
[23:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something special here.
[23:21] Speaker 2: It's crazy that our mind never goes to bring it
[23:24] Speaker 2: back to Kyle Shanahan. That just must be his type, right?
[23:30] Speaker 2: Which is often the actual explanation.
[23:32] Speaker 1: Yes.
[23:34] Speaker 2: Usually, all right, we're just kidding. When this happens, and
[23:37] Speaker 2: it's someone you know, they got a history.
[23:41] Speaker 3: Yes.
[23:41] Speaker 2: It's not like 10, 10, 10, 4?
[23:45] Speaker 1: Right.
[23:46] Speaker 2: That is not the pattern.
[23:49] Speaker 1: Right.
[23:50] Speaker 2: For men and women. Right.
[23:52] Speaker 1: That is fair. That is fair.
[23:54] Speaker 2: There's not usually like an absurd deviation from that. But
[23:57] Speaker 2: our brains don't go to like, that's just not how
[24:00] Speaker 2: we process. The dinner analogy is probably the best one, yeah,
[24:05] Speaker 2: for Shanahan. Because, yeah, they want someone, the Shanahan family,
[24:10] Speaker 2: they want, you know, like the guy sitting in the
[24:12] Speaker 2: mech suit pushing buttons, right?
[24:14] Speaker 1: Yes.
[24:15] Speaker 2: Like they want someone to just execute the offense. The
[24:18] Speaker 2: problem is, Matt Jones ain't that dude.
[24:21] Speaker 1: Right.
[24:22] Speaker 2: And, and to his credit was actually kind of that dude. Yes.
[24:26] Speaker 1: But he's also going to give you a lot of
[24:28] Speaker 1: lip and a lot of sass.
[24:29] Speaker 2: He is sassy.
[24:31] Speaker 1: He is. He is. That is. Yeah. He's going to, he,
[24:34] Speaker 1: he's going to give you a lot of backtalk, right? That,
[24:38] Speaker 1: that is what happened in new England. And they were like, yo,
[24:40] Speaker 1: get a load of this guy. Are you kidding me? Yeah.
[24:46] Speaker 2: Um, I am not super optimistic also, Beau, because it
[24:52] Speaker 2: would be one thing if this was the Niners all-star
[24:54] Speaker 2: team of a couple years ago where everybody's healthy. It's
[24:58] Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. It's Brandon Ayuk. It's George Kittle, the offensive line.
[25:03] Speaker 2: It is a very diminished version of that that he's
[25:06] Speaker 2: going to have to make this work with. They are
[25:08] Speaker 2: playing the Saints this weekend, so that's going to help.
[25:11] Speaker 1: But yeah, I... Slut buster.
[25:14] Speaker 2: Right. Saints are... I, yeah, I'm not optimistic. Also.
[25:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[25:20] Speaker 2: I mean, since he actually played the Niners and watching that,
[25:25] Speaker 2: I am not saying Trent Williams is.
[25:32] Speaker 1: But this is like year 17. Yeah.
[25:34] Speaker 2: He looks a little older out there and he was
[25:39] Speaker 2: kind of like the one thing holding this whole offensive
[25:41] Speaker 2: line together. And so you start to get worried about that.
[25:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. So as we go into advertisements, I will say
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[27:19] Speaker 1: All right. We are back with Mina Kimes. As you know,
[27:24] Speaker 1: I am a day one fan of the Detroit Lions.
[27:27] Speaker 1: I have enjoyed the ride up until this point. The
[27:31] Speaker 1: last time we talked about the Lions and I expressed
[27:33] Speaker 1: to you my patience of Jerry Goff, you told me
[27:35] Speaker 1: that I've definitely become a different person. And you may
[27:38] Speaker 1: be correct because I was not. feeling good on sunday
[27:43] Speaker 1: watching what happened there my read on it is i
[27:46] Speaker 1: didn't think the defense looked bad um but i thought
[27:49] Speaker 1: it really all came down that they're not getting any
[27:51] Speaker 1: push um on the inside guards and center are not
[27:54] Speaker 1: doing anything and if they don't get that push i
[27:56] Speaker 1: don't see what they're supposed to do and tell me
[27:58] Speaker 1: why i shouldn't be terrified.
[28:00] Speaker 2: Um if i had to give you one source of
[28:04] Speaker 2: comfort or i guess excuse i think the packers like
[28:08] Speaker 2: are those like that team Right. So I think that's
[28:11] Speaker 2: a Super Bowl team right there. So, you know, we're
[28:14] Speaker 2: talking a little bit about how kind of week one
[28:16] Speaker 2: can sway things either way when you don't recognize or
[28:20] Speaker 2: when we don't really know who the best is at things.
[28:24] Speaker 2: I think that they're going to have a much better
[28:27] Speaker 2: time this week against Chicago, against old friend Ben Johnson.
[28:30] Speaker 2: That said, you're not wrong to be concerned because it.
[28:36] Speaker 2: the whole operation was kind of discouraging. It wasn't just
[28:39] Speaker 2: the interior offensive line. They got a new play caller who,
[28:43] Speaker 2: when they hired him, everybody was a little confused. It wasn't,
[28:47] Speaker 2: you know, John Morton is from Denver. He's kind of
[28:50] Speaker 2: got an interesting resume, but it wasn't like quite, it
[28:53] Speaker 2: didn't set the world on fire. Let's just say that.
[28:55] Speaker 2: And I think week one, that was, you didn't feel
[28:58] Speaker 2: great watching that offense. You didn't get that. That feeling,
[29:02] Speaker 2: that use, not just of like the creativity of the
[29:04] Speaker 2: play calling, the combination of the creativity of the play
[29:06] Speaker 2: calling and the physical domination up front, just totally gone
[29:09] Speaker 2: at week one, which is not great.
[29:11] Speaker 1: I wonder how many people were like me when they
[29:13] Speaker 1: hired John Morton and thought they hired Johnny Morton, former
[29:18] Speaker 1: Detroit Lion wide receiver with the all-time classic quote, Jay
[29:22] Speaker 1: Leno can kiss my ass.
[29:23] Speaker 2: He can do that. Yeah, I'll be honest. The guy
[29:27] Speaker 2: wasn't on my radar at all. And the other thing, Beau,
[29:32] Speaker 2: I know I keep alluding to the Jets and nobody
[29:34] Speaker 2: wants to hear me talk about the Jets. They got
[29:36] Speaker 2: their past game coordinator, Tanner Engstrand, and that all fell apart.
[29:40] Speaker 2: looked awesome week one. So you're talking about a brain drain,
[29:44] Speaker 2: not only of Ben Johnson, but the past game coordinator
[29:46] Speaker 2: as well. Then you start to get a little bit worried, right?
[29:48] Speaker 2: You're like, oh, maybe... Maybe they lost two guys.
[29:52] Speaker 1: Right. Well, they lost Antoine Randall L also who went
[29:56] Speaker 1: over with Ben Johnson. And I will say this because
[29:58] Speaker 1: I am okay with talking about the jets because it'll
[30:00] Speaker 1: make my life better living in the city. If the
[30:02] Speaker 1: jets and or giants are good, it is definitely a
[30:05] Speaker 1: significant quality of life improvement with the Knicks being good.
[30:08] Speaker 1: I know I saw your face. I understand it would,
[30:11] Speaker 1: it would help. Right. Justin Fields, who has to me,
[30:15] Speaker 1: the most damning problem that you can have, which is
[30:18] Speaker 1: takes too long to throw the ball. did not take
[30:20] Speaker 1: too long to throw the ball in this game. That
[30:22] Speaker 1: is a thing that people typically don't fix. He was
[30:25] Speaker 1: not taking too long to throw the ball. I was
[30:27] Speaker 1: floored by how good he looked.
[30:30] Speaker 2: This was the biggest surprise of week one to me.
[30:32] Speaker 2: And Fox and I talked about it, and he was
[30:36] Speaker 2: better than Aaron Rodgers in the game. And I know
[30:39] Speaker 2: they lost, and I feel like Rodgers got all the
[30:42] Speaker 2: hype coming out of it. And Rodgers looked good, too.
[30:43] Speaker 2: I'm not going to say he didn't. But I thought
[30:46] Speaker 2: Fields was... exceptional and maybe, I mean, he's had games,
[30:51] Speaker 2: he had games in Chicago where he was doing more
[30:53] Speaker 2: like crazy explosive stuff with his legs, 60 yard runs,
[30:56] Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But this is the best he's
[30:58] Speaker 2: looked quarterbacking to me since coming into the league. Like
[31:01] Speaker 2: you said, the ball was coming out fast. He was accurate.
[31:04] Speaker 2: He was throwing over the middle of the field, which
[31:06] Speaker 2: he never does. And then he ran a lot, which
[31:09] Speaker 2: is something we didn't really see in Pittsburgh for some reason.
[31:11] Speaker 2: But there's tons of design runs and scrambles in this game.
[31:14] Speaker 2: The whole rushing attack looks really good. So, yeah, I
[31:16] Speaker 2: don't know, man. I think the Bills defense kind of
[31:20] Speaker 2: might be a little bit cheeks. So I'm not going
[31:22] Speaker 2: to overplay it, but. it was pretty encouraging and kind
[31:26] Speaker 2: of shocking. That whole game was shocking. It was like
[31:28] Speaker 2: so entertaining.
[31:29] Speaker 1: It really was like, it was a, it was a
[31:32] Speaker 1: good game. And I want to say this right fast.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Now that you mentioned it about the bills defense, if
[31:36] Speaker 1: the bills defense is bad, boy, the bills will be
[31:39] Speaker 1: a lot of fun to watch this year. Like we're
[31:41] Speaker 1: talking track meets. Cause look, Cincinnati should give us track meets,
[31:45] Speaker 1: except it looked like they was running all one leg
[31:47] Speaker 1: against the Browns, which shocked me. Cause I mean, I
[31:50] Speaker 1: don't know how the Browns are going to win no
[31:52] Speaker 1: games this year. The Bengals, even if the plan is
[31:55] Speaker 1: you're just going to be really good on offense and
[31:56] Speaker 1: terrible on defense, but you might be able to get
[31:58] Speaker 1: 9-8 or 10-7 out of that. The Browns, I don't
[32:03] Speaker 1: see how they're supposed to get anything out of that.
[32:05] Speaker 1: And they almost won that game. They very easily could have.
[32:08] Speaker 2: They should have won it.
[32:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:10] Speaker 2: If they had. Can you imagine the Bengals' discourse this week?
[32:14] Speaker 2: I mean, the Bengals' discourse this week should be like
[32:17] Speaker 2: suspicious but I think like a lot of people didn't
[32:19] Speaker 2: just didn't watch that game um yeah I mean the
[32:24] Speaker 2: Browns the Saints Titans you know like I think it's
[32:29] Speaker 2: already like pretty obvious who the get right teams are
[32:32] Speaker 2: and that was not a get right game at all
[32:34] Speaker 2: for Cincinnati uh I know I talked earlier about the
[32:37] Speaker 2: Chiefs and I'm being in the tier of the Bengals
[32:39] Speaker 2: they aren't even sniffing that tier. Um, I mean, they
[32:43] Speaker 2: were supposed to come out and play the preseason. Everybody's healthy.
[32:46] Speaker 2: We signed all the receivers. The offense was supposed to look,
[32:49] Speaker 2: they were supposed to be, like you said, the 41
[32:52] Speaker 2: point team. And it just didn't look good at all
[32:54] Speaker 2: to me. I, yeah, I was really underwhelmed by Cincinnati.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's, that's, that one's looking like
[33:03] Speaker 1: bad news, like terrible news, but on the, The other
[33:06] Speaker 1: thing I have to ask you, though, about the Lions,
[33:08] Speaker 1: and this is the part that I think I overlooked
[33:10] Speaker 1: and I think a lot of us overlooked, because it
[33:11] Speaker 1: was like, cool, Aiden Hutchinson's going to come back. But
[33:14] Speaker 1: when they had Aiden Hutchinson, they had pass rush issues,
[33:18] Speaker 1: and I felt like in the game against Green Bay,
[33:20] Speaker 1: they still had pass rush issues.
[33:23] Speaker 2: I thought the Lions' defense would be much better, honestly,
[33:28] Speaker 2: than they looked. The Green Bay offensive line is not
[33:33] Speaker 2: that great. I mean... And they were stonewalling them. And
[33:37] Speaker 2: you said it, like outside of Hutchinson, you don't really
[33:39] Speaker 2: have anyone getting after the quarterback. The defensive tackles are hurt.
[33:42] Speaker 1: But it was.
[33:46] Speaker 2: My whole theory about the Lions going into this season
[33:50] Speaker 2: was that the offensive line, or the offense, pardon me,
[33:52] Speaker 2: would take a step back, but that it would be
[33:54] Speaker 2: mitigated by the defense being healthy and adding some talent.
[33:57] Speaker 2: And that's just not what I saw week one at all.
[34:00] Speaker 2: But again... I think the Packers are a wagon. I
[34:03] Speaker 2: really do. So if it happens again this week against Chicago,
[34:08] Speaker 2: and we know, talk about unloading the clip, like Ben
[34:10] Speaker 2: Johnson is going to, everything he's got is going to
[34:14] Speaker 2: go into this game. Then you start to panic.
[34:17] Speaker 1: You think that the Vikings got a dude with McCarthy?
[34:21] Speaker 1: I mean, because look, they won 14 games with Sam Darnold. Yeah.
[34:24] Speaker 1: And I don't care what anybody says. He's exactly who
[34:27] Speaker 1: he's been.
[34:29] Speaker 2: He....
[34:32] Speaker 3: J.J.
[34:32] Speaker 2: McCarthy was.
[34:39] Speaker 2: I don't know what you say about a quarterback who
[34:40] Speaker 2: was good for 20% of the game, right? On one hand,
[34:49] Speaker 2: you have to say, well, he really struggled in the beginning,
[34:52] Speaker 2: but then this is his first start, so I'm not
[34:56] Speaker 2: leaping to conclusions either way.
[34:57] Speaker 1: I think.
[34:59] Speaker 2: What you saw with Minnesota, though, at the end that
[35:01] Speaker 2: is really encouraging is the run game looked really good
[35:04] Speaker 2: at the end, and that's kind of when he settled down,
[35:06] Speaker 2: and it's no coincidence. Because that was clearly their focus
[35:11] Speaker 2: this offseason. Like, hey, we're going to fix the interior
[35:13] Speaker 2: of the offensive line. They traded for Jordan Mason. I
[35:15] Speaker 2: thought that was a sneaky, underrated trade. And we know
[35:18] Speaker 2: that J.J. McCarty, the kid who barely threw the ball
[35:20] Speaker 2: in college, we want to give him a ground game
[35:23] Speaker 2: that's better than the one we've had the last couple
[35:24] Speaker 2: of years. Because you've got these defenses. They play constantly
[35:26] Speaker 2: shell coverage because of Justin Jefferson and Addison when he's
[35:28] Speaker 2: out there. but they haven't really been able to punish
[35:31] Speaker 2: them for doing so underneath. And this was a problem,
[35:32] Speaker 2: by the way, with Sam Darnold near the end of
[35:34] Speaker 2: the playoffs. Okay, cool. But you know, for first half
[35:38] Speaker 2: of this game, didn't look that great. And then you
[35:39] Speaker 2: saw that come alive. I think that's going to continue.
[35:43] Speaker 2: And I think with McCarthy too, like, you know, he
[35:44] Speaker 2: doesn't have to be great for this offense to work.
[35:47] Speaker 2: If that's happening, he just has to be competent. And
[35:50] Speaker 2: he certainly looked like that at the end of the game.
[35:51] Speaker 2: We'll see if it continues. Yeah.
[35:53] Speaker 1: I thought that I thought he made throws that you
[35:56] Speaker 1: feel good about the young dude making right. And, to
[35:59] Speaker 1: be not good the whole game and then maintain your
[36:02] Speaker 1: composure at that point. I thought that I thought there
[36:05] Speaker 1: was room for optimism in that performance. But of course
[36:09] Speaker 1: the obvious counterpoint is they were playing the bears. Um,
[36:14] Speaker 1: the way that like, we had kind of framed this
[36:15] Speaker 1: in our minds before we got here was the guy
[36:17] Speaker 1: like who has more on the line with this. But
[36:18] Speaker 1: I think my question really, when it comes to the bears,
[36:20] Speaker 1: and we've talked about Kayla Williams a lot here though, is, um, Like,
[36:26] Speaker 1: what do you need to see before, you know, to
[36:28] Speaker 1: keep everybody quiet? Because I don't think he needs to
[36:30] Speaker 1: be the best quarterback in the division. I think that
[36:33] Speaker 1: there were some measures of progress in the last game,
[36:35] Speaker 1: but I did not find that performance to be particularly encouraging. Like,
[36:39] Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what exactly Johnson is
[36:41] Speaker 1: going for. I'm not sure what they expect, but the
[36:45] Speaker 1: clock is on him in a way that I'm not
[36:48] Speaker 1: sure he recognizes, but I've been doing this long enough
[36:51] Speaker 1: to know they coming for your neck, young man. Yeah.
[36:55] Speaker 2: I have felt all offseason, despair's offense is going to
[36:59] Speaker 2: take a second to look right. Because, you know, yeah,
[37:04] Speaker 2: they invest in the... I talk about the Minnesota investing
[37:06] Speaker 2: in the inside of the offensive line. I'm not a
[37:08] Speaker 2: huge fan of DeAndre Swift as a back. The run
[37:11] Speaker 2: game was such a big part of what Ben Johnson
[37:13] Speaker 2: did in Detroit. I wasn't entirely convinced that it was
[37:16] Speaker 2: going to look as good immediately in Chicago. And it
[37:18] Speaker 2: looked awful, dude. Like, they were really bad running the
[37:20] Speaker 2: football week one. So... I felt like it was going
[37:24] Speaker 2: to take a second for if you're going to have to,
[37:26] Speaker 2: you know, if that's not working and you've got to
[37:28] Speaker 2: evolve the offense and you're also accommodating Caleb's skill sets
[37:31] Speaker 2: and he's learning a new system, it's going to take,
[37:33] Speaker 2: everybody's learning a new offense. It's going to take some time.
[37:38] Speaker 2: You know, it was, I'm kind of torn because I
[37:40] Speaker 2: thought like week one, like he had flashes of really
[37:42] Speaker 2: good play, really impressive throws. Then obviously some egregious misses
[37:47] Speaker 2: and some conservatism. I also think the Vikings defense is
[37:51] Speaker 2: really good again. maybe better this year. They signed Javon Hargrave,
[37:58] Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen, and Hargrave was killing them up front on
[38:02] Speaker 2: the inside. So this is another one where like, hey,
[38:04] Speaker 2: like week two is going to be a big barometer
[38:06] Speaker 2: for him. Can he look better than he did week
[38:09] Speaker 2: one against what seems to be clearly an inferior defense?
[38:12] Speaker 2: And if not, yeah, it's going to be, I mean,
[38:15] Speaker 2: the criticism is already loud. because it was an island
[38:18] Speaker 2: game and everybody watched. But I think this– I'm kind
[38:20] Speaker 2: of waiting a couple weeks before I really start to panic.
[38:24] Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. We wanted to ask you
[38:25] Speaker 1: something about the Seahawks. Before we get to the Seahawks, though,
[38:28] Speaker 1: we'll do something tangential off the Seahawks. Did you tear
[38:32] Speaker 1: up just a little bit watching Geno out there dealing, dealing,
[38:37] Speaker 1: dealing for another team?
[38:39] Speaker 2: Tear up– I mean, I– uh you know i was
[38:42] Speaker 2: pretty loud about not approving of that trade so my
[38:47] Speaker 2: desire to be right trumps that's been the interesting thing
[38:53] Speaker 2: about doing this uh while i'm also a still a
[38:57] Speaker 2: fan of a team and all that is like you
[38:59] Speaker 2: you realize you have all these like competing interests right
[39:02] Speaker 2: you know this you've been in the game for a
[39:03] Speaker 2: long time like when you're watching football and like what
[39:08] Speaker 2: screams louder for you in your brain and you're like
[39:10] Speaker 2: little like the little part of your brain when you're
[39:14] Speaker 2: watching the game well.
[39:15] Speaker 1: So i've been doing this for the most part without
[39:18] Speaker 1: a lot of clear like fandom roots yeah so i
[39:21] Speaker 1: could just always go ego right just just always on
[39:25] Speaker 1: the i want to be right in this like in
[39:27] Speaker 1: doing the kind of shows that i do kind of
[39:29] Speaker 1: coward or something about it's good for business to be
[39:31] Speaker 1: wrong every now and then then I ain't trying to
[39:33] Speaker 1: be Lee Iacocca you know what I'm saying like I
[39:34] Speaker 1: don't I'm trying to be I'm trying to get this
[39:37] Speaker 1: shit right every if I don't I don't but I'm
[39:40] Speaker 1: trying to nail this every single time and I'm not
[39:43] Speaker 1: trying to hear no guff from the public. I don't
[39:46] Speaker 1: want that. I'm going for that generally. Now, now with
[39:50] Speaker 1: my Lions, I want to be wrong about the things
[39:54] Speaker 1: that I am saying. And if I'm proven to be wrong,
[39:57] Speaker 1: I will be incredibly thrilled.
[39:59] Speaker 2: That's how I feel about the Seahawks at the moment.
[40:02] Speaker 2: Because like I said, I was really critical of the trade.
[40:04] Speaker 2: I was very pessimistic about the offense. I'm not watching them,
[40:08] Speaker 2: you know, not convert third downs against the Niners and,
[40:11] Speaker 2: being like, yeah, I was right. It sucks, right? Still,
[40:16] Speaker 2: the fan part of my brain is overcoming the desire
[40:18] Speaker 2: to be right. But watching Geno dealing, throwing bombs to
[40:22] Speaker 2: Brock Bowers downfield, it's all good.
[40:25] Speaker 1: It's all.
[40:28] Speaker 2: I've got too many shares of Geno Smith's stock, pardon me,
[40:31] Speaker 2: right now to watch a dip and not feel like, ooh.
[40:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, your thing that's going to be interesting to
[40:39] Speaker 1: watch it, like running conflict with reality, especially now that
[40:42] Speaker 1: it's happening on your own team, is that you came
[40:45] Speaker 1: on this show and referred to yourself, and let me
[40:47] Speaker 1: know if I get this incorrect, as a Sampathizer. I know.
[40:53] Speaker 1: In reference to old buddy Sandar.
[40:56] Speaker 2: But that was cool when he was the backup making
[41:00] Speaker 2: 10 million.
[41:03] Speaker 1: Yes.
[41:04] Speaker 2: Context matters.
[41:06] Speaker 1: Roles matter.
[41:07] Speaker 2: I will ride for, yes. I will say, I will
[41:12] Speaker 2: say like that, like right now, like I'm, you know,
[41:15] Speaker 2: thinking about I'm looking at Justin Fields' stock right now.
[41:18] Speaker 2: It's priced at $ 5. And I'm thinking, maybe I'll ride
[41:23] Speaker 2: this until it gets to $ 10. And then I'm selling.
[41:27] Speaker 2: And that's how I was with Sam Darnold, to be clear.
[41:29] Speaker 2: The argument was never, wow, this is a quarterback one.
[41:33] Speaker 2: He's so underrated. It was, nah, this is an undervalued stock.
[41:38] Speaker 2: And I'm looking at Fields right now, and I'm thinking
[41:40] Speaker 2: the same thing.
[41:43] Speaker 1: Okay, so when you talk about like the value of
[41:46] Speaker 1: being correct, this is where I could be a little
[41:49] Speaker 1: bit of a radical about this being correct. And Sam
[41:53] Speaker 1: Darnold is a great example. As we got farther and
[41:56] Speaker 1: farther through last year, people were talking about him using like...
[42:00] Speaker 1: Not like anybody thought he was a real MVP candidate,
[42:03] Speaker 1: but they was getting a little ahead of themselves. And
[42:05] Speaker 1: then when he turned right back into Sam Darnold at
[42:08] Speaker 1: the end of the year, boy, I was right here
[42:10] Speaker 1: to tell everybody that I hit it right all along. Like,
[42:14] Speaker 1: once the wheels came off for him, I was rooting
[42:17] Speaker 1: for it to catch on fire. I don't know what
[42:19] Speaker 1: that says about me, but I just.
[42:21] Speaker 2: I know what it says about you, hater. That I
[42:24] Speaker 2: was bright.
[42:25] Speaker 1: That's what it says about me.
[42:26] Speaker 2: You love.
[42:28] Speaker 2: Is it more gratifying to be right about an underrated
[42:33] Speaker 2: player being good or an overrated player being bad?
[42:38] Speaker 1: Oh, it's the overrated player being bad. Because when you
[42:41] Speaker 1: say an underrated player is good, people don't really get
[42:44] Speaker 1: off in your grill about it in the same way
[42:46] Speaker 1: as when you take the courageous stance to say, no,
[42:50] Speaker 1: this is not as good as what you see it is, right?
[42:53] Speaker 1: Like it's the Hannibal Buress meme. Why are you booing me?
[42:58] Speaker 1: I'm right. You know, like that's what it is.
[43:00] Speaker 2: I'm different. I like, so I was a pretty big
[43:04] Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo critic for a long time and maybe even
[43:08] Speaker 2: the center of some minor controversies because of it. And
[43:11] Speaker 2: when that train went off the tracks, I wasn't like
[43:14] Speaker 2: celebrating anything. I mean, I did celebrate a little bit.
[43:18] Speaker 2: I did post a couple of gifts. But I didn't
[43:26] Speaker 2: feel great about it in the same way that I
[43:30] Speaker 2: feel great when a draft take ends up being correct.
[43:35] Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see that.
[43:37] Speaker 2: A positive one.
[43:38] Speaker 1: So you got to this side of the business a
[43:41] Speaker 1: little late. But for what I'm about to bring up,
[43:47] Speaker 1: I was forged in the trenches of T-Bone Mania. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[43:57] Speaker 1: I was, and so you have to remember, T-Bone's rookie
[44:02] Speaker 1: year is 2010. 2011 is when T-Bone Mania happens. I
[44:07] Speaker 1: started doing Around the Horn in October of 2010. And
[44:12] Speaker 1: this is the era where Woody Page is on around
[44:14] Speaker 1: the horn just about every day and definitely every Monday.
[44:17] Speaker 1: And he's coming off all these Broncos games. And I
[44:20] Speaker 1: will know. Just wins. They played their first game against
[44:24] Speaker 1: the Dolphins. And it was, oh, God, it was so bad.
[44:27] Speaker 1: And then they won at the end because all the
[44:28] Speaker 1: games went like that. Right. And I remember I got
[44:32] Speaker 1: on the call and it was Bob Ryan, Tim Kyle
[44:35] Speaker 1: Shaw and Woody Page. And they all soft pedaled it.
[44:40] Speaker 1: And it got to me. And I said to them,
[44:42] Speaker 1: what a player on the Dolphins told me after that game,
[44:44] Speaker 1: this is the worst quarterback I've ever seen. Like, I
[44:46] Speaker 1: couldn't believe that I was all alone in this. And
[44:49] Speaker 1: gradually I would get some people. But then it was
[44:51] Speaker 1: he just wins with a dollop of God is good.
[44:54] Speaker 1: And so it just kept happening and it kept happening.
[44:56] Speaker 1: And I mean, you can go look at those clips
[44:58] Speaker 1: of me on TV if they're available. I was not
[45:00] Speaker 1: pretending to lose my mind. I was losing my shit
[45:04] Speaker 1: every day.
[45:05] Speaker 2: Week.
[45:06] Speaker 1: And then when they got their doors blown off at
[45:08] Speaker 1: the end, and that was the worst part. They get
[45:10] Speaker 1: their doors blown off in the regular season, nobody care.
[45:12] Speaker 1: They end the regular season with three straight losses, nobody care.
[45:14] Speaker 1: He got there, had him damn 300 yards against the Steelers,
[45:18] Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh man, you gotta be kidding me.
[45:20] Speaker 1: And I never got a full season of him being cheats.
[45:24] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I never got that, and
[45:27] Speaker 1: I wanted it so bad. I deserved it. I deserved it.
[45:30] Speaker 2: I think it's important to point out here, though, that
[45:33] Speaker 2: the reason why you became such a hater is not
[45:37] Speaker 2: because of Tim Tebow himself, but because of your peers
[45:42] Speaker 2: lying on him.
[45:43] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[45:43] Speaker 2: Like that is the infuriating part. And it makes you
[45:47] Speaker 2: feel crazy. It's like climate change denialism. You're just like,
[45:51] Speaker 2: you're like, I feel insane. You feel like gaslit watching it.
[45:56] Speaker 2: And God, this game, when the Shador Sanders, like week three,
[46:00] Speaker 2: the great Shador Sanders died, pre-season week three controversy erupted online.
[46:06] Speaker 2: It was really like, everybody's like, wow, this is crazy.
[46:08] Speaker 2: This has never happened in sports. And the Tebow thing
[46:11] Speaker 2: was the first thing that came to my mind. Like
[46:14] Speaker 2: when a story just goes thermonuclear and breaks contained to
[46:18] Speaker 2: the point where people who don't actually watch the game
[46:20] Speaker 2: are weighing in with strong opinions.
[46:24] Speaker 1: Tebow mania felt like the movie major league, except what
[46:30] Speaker 1: if the coach said, Like the coach wanted to win, obviously, right?
[46:34] Speaker 1: But I contend they put Tebow in at the second
[46:37] Speaker 1: half of the game against the Chargers. And I'm convinced
[46:40] Speaker 1: that John Fox was like, well, he's going to be terrible.
[46:42] Speaker 1: And now finally shut these people up. But he got
[46:44] Speaker 1: just enough done. And then he was stuck riding that
[46:47] Speaker 1: ride for the rest of the year. And the only
[46:49] Speaker 1: way they could get him out of there, they had
[46:51] Speaker 1: to go get Peyton Manning. They couldn't just go get
[46:54] Speaker 1: a credible starting quarterback. They had to leave, no doubt.
[46:57] Speaker 1: John Elway, oh my God, I just can't imagine what
[46:59] Speaker 1: it was like. The John Elway that wished he could
[47:02] Speaker 1: have taken Cam Newton that year got stuck with Tim Tebow.
[47:06] Speaker 2: What is the closest thing we've got right now in
[47:10] Speaker 2: sports to where a thing that makes you feel crazy?
[47:13] Speaker 2: Is there anything? I don't think there's nothing like that.
[47:16] Speaker 1: There's nothing like.
[47:16] Speaker 2: Tebow in football where it feels like everyone's being... No, no, no, no.
[47:23] Speaker 1: There's nothing there. I'm pretty strident in where I stand
[47:29] Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts, but I understand the argument on the
[47:31] Speaker 1: other side. You know what I mean? So it doesn't
[47:34] Speaker 1: make me insane that people think that he is better
[47:37] Speaker 1: than I think he is. There's got to be something
[47:42] Speaker 1: in basketball that if I think about it long and
[47:45] Speaker 1: hard enough that I could get to. Some of the.
[47:51] Speaker 2: I'm going to tread here with caution. Some of the
[47:54] Speaker 2: Bo Nicks takes flowing around this offseason.
[47:58] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing, right?
[48:00] Speaker 1: you are deeper in those weeds than I am. Okay, yeah.
[48:03] Speaker 2: See, I think that's too deep.
[48:05] Speaker 1: If I were in those weeds with you because I
[48:07] Speaker 1: went on somebody's podcast and simply said that I am
[48:11] Speaker 1: not a Bo Nix believer and they came for me
[48:16] Speaker 1: about that, right? Like if I did NFL all day,
[48:19] Speaker 1: every day, yes, I would be exactly right there where
[48:23] Speaker 1: you are on that one.
[48:24] Speaker 2: Every year, there's a quarterback that just breaks everybody's brains.
[48:31] Speaker 2: where like the conversation around the quarterback, it's always a quarterback,
[48:36] Speaker 2: stops being normal. Tebow is the most extreme version of
[48:39] Speaker 2: that of the last like 20 years, I would argue.
[48:42] Speaker 2: Probably ever, to be honest.
[48:44] Speaker 1: Yes.
[48:45] Speaker 2: But I felt Jimmy G was that for me, for sure.
[48:48] Speaker 2: For like two years with San Francisco, where I felt
[48:51] Speaker 2: crazy the way people were talking about it.
[48:54] Speaker 3: Right.
[48:56] Speaker 2: Trubisky was like this i mean i did daniel jones
[48:58] Speaker 2: was like that you can all there's always one where
[49:01] Speaker 2: there's such a disparity between how fans and people who
[49:06] Speaker 2: do like box score watching talk about the guy versus
[49:09] Speaker 2: what is actually happening on the field that's it's it's
[49:13] Speaker 2: very it's too early to say who that guy is.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Nick's.
[49:18] Speaker 2: It feels like it felt to me like this summer,
[49:20] Speaker 2: it was kind of becoming that quarterback. Um, we'll see
[49:26] Speaker 2: how that plays out though.
[49:27] Speaker 1: Jamie Garoppolo was, uh, um, I don't know the right word,
[49:34] Speaker 1: but like, he was not good for my high noon marriage.
[49:37] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it was driving me
[49:39] Speaker 1: crazy in a way that it was driving you crazy.
[49:41] Speaker 1: And I think Pablo was just enamored by the fact that,
[49:44] Speaker 1: you know, what was he like all swarthy and everything.
[49:47] Speaker 2: So many people like loved him.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. A wedge, Ryan said he was a wedge. He
[49:53] Speaker 1: was a wedge in our relationship and people really did
[49:55] Speaker 1: love him. They had a whole playoff game when they
[49:57] Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball one time in the second half.
[49:59] Speaker 1: And I was like, guys, I'm sorry. That is not
[50:02] Speaker 1: simply a function of we're really good at running the ball.
[50:05] Speaker 1: That's not what that means. The coach is telling you,
[50:08] Speaker 1: I got a bum out here.
[50:10] Speaker 2: Tua was this for two years.
[50:12] Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. The Tuanon people.
[50:15] Speaker 2: Tua. Every year, I'm telling you, Jimmy Garoppolo passed that
[50:18] Speaker 2: torch to Tua. Who is Tua going to pass it to?
[50:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think we feel pretty settled right now
[50:25] Speaker 1: on the Tua thing.
[50:28] Speaker 2: When the Tua thing was happening, too, and I got like,
[50:32] Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, like, I just went through this.
[50:35] Speaker 2: I can't do this again, or I'm fighting these people. Yeah,
[50:42] Speaker 2: I don't know who it is yet. Candidates, like I said,
[50:46] Speaker 2: there's a few. There's a few.
[50:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to start looking at young guys, right?
[50:49] Speaker 1: We got to start scouting the next classes of these dudes. Like, hey, man,
[50:54] Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, fascinating career arc that Justin Fields is hoping
[50:57] Speaker 1: to emulate, right? Except Baker Mayfield, at least, There was
[51:00] Speaker 1: a time where we thought Baker Mayfield was good. And
[51:02] Speaker 1: I don't think we, we were always holding out hope
[51:04] Speaker 1: on Justin Fields, right? Like we didn't get there. Baker
[51:07] Speaker 1: Mayfield now is, I think one of the mistakes that
[51:11] Speaker 1: we make in talking about quarterbacks is in our verbiage
[51:14] Speaker 1: and they're, not everybody has to be a franchise quarterback.
[51:18] Speaker 1: Some people are starting quarterbacks.
[51:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:20] Speaker 1: And Baker Mayfield appears to be a very good starting quarterback.
[51:23] Speaker 1: And that is not an insult because starting quarterbacks are
[51:25] Speaker 1: hard to find, but Josh Allen is a franchise quarterback.
[51:28] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes are, those are starting quarterbacks. Joe
[51:31] Speaker 1: Burrow looks to be a franchise. I mean, they're all
[51:33] Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks. Joe Burrow appears to be a franchise quarterback.
[51:37] Speaker 1: Some guys are starting quarterbacks and that's okay. Right. He's
[51:40] Speaker 1: a very good starting quarterback. And I mean, The Falcons
[51:45] Speaker 1: lost that game because Falcons lose games, but they still,
[51:47] Speaker 1: good job winning, I guess.
[51:50] Speaker 2: He didn't look, they struggled. I mean, he had made
[51:53] Speaker 2: a couple of impressive throws, but yeah, I think your
[51:56] Speaker 2: diagnosis is correct. It's the tier that I would put
[52:00] Speaker 2: him in. I think it's usually a younger guy is
[52:08] Speaker 2: the brain breaker. Yeah. Because usually fans... attach themselves to
[52:13] Speaker 2: like a young, usually it's a guy on a rookie contract.
[52:16] Speaker 2: So I, yeah, I, you know, scouting, scouting a few
[52:19] Speaker 2: out there. Um, but yeah, I Broncos week one. Ooh,
[52:26] Speaker 2: did you watch any of that? I did buddy.
[52:29] Speaker 3: Ooh, I did.
[52:35] Speaker 1: It was by the way, the brain breaker very soon
[52:38] Speaker 1: will very clearly be arch.
[52:43] Speaker 2: I wonder, though, if they're getting that out of the
[52:45] Speaker 2: way now.
[52:48] Speaker 1: Some team is going to get him, though, and then
[52:50] Speaker 1: there will be an army of fans who pick it
[52:52] Speaker 1: up anew. Does he have.
[52:54] Speaker 2: Wait, can I.
[52:55] Speaker 1: Ask you that, though?
[52:56] Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm not super tapped into college football internet.
[52:59] Speaker 2: I just watch the games. I actually felt... I didn't...
[53:05] Speaker 2: But it seemed like he doesn't have that strident hive.
[53:09] Speaker 2: If anything... I actually felt like he had a lot
[53:13] Speaker 2: more haters than I expected come.
[53:16] Speaker 1: Out of the woodwork. Well, I mean, one, he plays
[53:19] Speaker 1: for Texas. And I don't think any school has more
[53:21] Speaker 1: other schools that hate them than Texas does. And that's
[53:24] Speaker 1: not a function of Texas' longstanding greatness. It's about geography.
[53:28] Speaker 1: But we start there, right? So he's playing for a longstanding,
[53:31] Speaker 1: underachieving program that a lot of people dislike. And the
[53:36] Speaker 1: not beating out Quinn Ewers thing is also a discussion
[53:39] Speaker 1: that then comes up. But the hype machine behind him
[53:42] Speaker 1: felt so artificial coming into this year. And the things
[53:44] Speaker 1: I heard people say on television, I'm like, you don't
[53:46] Speaker 1: believe this. This is impossible that you believe this.
[53:49] Speaker 2: And it did him no favors. I ended up feeling
[53:52] Speaker 2: bad for the guy. Yeah, I just feel like he
[53:57] Speaker 2: was put in a really shitty situation because of what
[54:00] Speaker 2: you're describing. But I also felt like he didn't have,
[54:03] Speaker 2: I don't know, like when we're talking about the quarterback
[54:05] Speaker 2: who breaks people's brains, they have to have a hive, right?
[54:08] Speaker 1: That is true.
[54:09] Speaker 2: They got to have a, I didn't, there's no arching on.
[54:13] Speaker 3: Right. Fair, fair.
[54:15] Speaker 1: But when he gets to the league, it'll be a
[54:16] Speaker 1: little bit different. Yeah.
[54:17] Speaker 2: Right. NFL teams will just, what, whoever they just project
[54:21] Speaker 2: quarterbacks or canvases on which people paint their psychosis. Like
[54:24] Speaker 2: this is just.
[54:25] Speaker 1: Well, also because whatever team he winds up with is
[54:28] Speaker 1: not going to have another option that perhaps you can want.
[54:30] Speaker 1: Like generally speaking, a college football program may not have
[54:33] Speaker 1: the guy ready to start right now, but you ain't
[54:35] Speaker 1: just only going to have one. You know what I mean?
[54:37] Speaker 1: like you're probably going to have somebody else. And though, though,
[54:39] Speaker 1: once you get to the league, like the Broncos need
[54:42] Speaker 1: Bo Nix to be that guy. All right. If he's
[54:44] Speaker 1: not that guy, you're kind of, you're kind of fucked
[54:46] Speaker 1: up for like two more years.
[54:47] Speaker 2: Yes. That is such a good point. The difference between
[54:51] Speaker 2: college football and the NFL. Right. Cause like if NFL
[54:53] Speaker 2: or the college football, it's like, Ooh, fans will kind
[54:55] Speaker 2: of by the end be like, all right, move it on.
[54:56] Speaker 2: Who's next. Who's using the transfer portal. You're right. With
[54:59] Speaker 2: college football. So, or with the NFL, pardon me, a
[55:03] Speaker 2: lot of this craziness around these, these, quarterbacks that we're
[55:07] Speaker 2: talking about, the polarizing guys, is driven by the fact
[55:10] Speaker 2: that the teams need him to be good. It's why
[55:17] Speaker 2: a guy like Fields and Darnold or whatever, Gino and Vegas,
[55:21] Speaker 2: I don't think those fan bases will ever do that
[55:23] Speaker 2: because they don't feel like that level of financial investment.
[55:26] Speaker 2: It's like, okay, we can move on if he's not
[55:27] Speaker 2: that good. There's a sunk cost thing that's.
[55:32] Speaker 1: Well, so Fields is an interesting example because I did
[55:36] Speaker 1: feel that there was a measure of this when he
[55:38] Speaker 1: was with Chicago. And what happened with him in Chicago,
[55:40] Speaker 1: people need to realize that the city of Chicago is
[55:43] Speaker 1: home territory for two sets of things. One of them
[55:47] Speaker 1: is Chicago professional sports. The other is the Big Ten.
[55:50] Speaker 1: And so what that means is if you live in
[55:53] Speaker 1: Chicago and you're a Big Ten fan, he either played
[55:56] Speaker 1: for Ohio State or he destroyed you. So you come
[56:00] Speaker 1: in with that optimism, and then he's the first hope
[56:02] Speaker 1: that you have. And then the moment you realize he
[56:05] Speaker 1: looked like the rest of them bums that you've seen
[56:06] Speaker 1: for the rest of the time, you go from there.
[56:08] Speaker 2: So DeFields did have the– he was breaking for the
[56:11] Speaker 2: exact reasons you described. Bears fans were like a crazy
[56:14] Speaker 2: defensive of him when he struggled early on.
[56:16] Speaker 1: Yes.
[56:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, such a good point about the college football fans. Yeah,
[56:22] Speaker 2: so the factors that have to be in place for the–
[56:25] Speaker 2: put a trademark, the quarterback who breaks people's brains– it's
[56:28] Speaker 2: gotta be young guy. It's gotta be, it's an NFL.
[56:31] Speaker 2: They have to have investment, whether he was at high
[56:34] Speaker 2: draft pick or there's a lot of money behind it.
[56:36] Speaker 2: One of those two things have to be the case. It's,
[56:39] Speaker 2: it's yeah. I guess Tebow doesn't, but that would, um,
[56:44] Speaker 2: they gotta be winning.
[56:45] Speaker 1: Yes.
[56:46] Speaker 2: But then not because of him. Yes. Um, then, and
[56:52] Speaker 2: there has, yeah, I think those are the main things.
[56:55] Speaker 1: Well, hold on. You know who used to be one
[56:57] Speaker 1: of those? Josh Allen. Yeah.
[57:02] Speaker 2: And then he just became actually who he thought he was.
[57:07] Speaker 1: He assumed the role to which he had been cast.
[57:10] Speaker 1: But the first three years, I mean, he was breaking
[57:12] Speaker 1: our brains.
[57:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[57:15] Speaker 1: Well, they were breaking our brains. Their brains were broken,
[57:17] Speaker 1: and then it became contagious, and it broke our brains
[57:19] Speaker 1: because we was fighting, but we gave up.
[57:22] Speaker 2: I took the L early. Never looked back.
[57:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just enjoying the ride.
[57:28] Speaker 2: The best L I've ever taken.
[57:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, the best thing, though, I just feel like it's
[57:31] Speaker 1: important for us to always make sure that people know
[57:33] Speaker 1: that we weren't there at first because I don't want
[57:35] Speaker 1: to act like, you know, I've been there with you.
[57:38] Speaker 2: He wasn't there at first either.
[57:40] Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. I always found the person most honest
[57:43] Speaker 1: about Josh Allen at every turn was Josh Allen. And
[57:45] Speaker 1: that's part of why I actually find it so endearing now.
[57:48] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I totally, I, has there ever been a
[57:54] Speaker 2: quarterback who you thought about taking the L, but then
[58:00] Speaker 2: you were like, hold strong, hold strong, you know, hold, hold, like, don't, don't,
[58:05] Speaker 2: you know, like, and then eventually history proved you right.
[58:11] Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, 2024. I got to think about that though.
[58:16] Speaker 2: Two and a half briefly broke me.
[58:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:19] Speaker 2: It wasn't, I didn't say like, oh, he is, you're right,
[58:21] Speaker 2: you guys, he's better than Herbert. Because that was always
[58:23] Speaker 2: about him and Herbert, right? That was, I mean, there
[58:26] Speaker 2: were people who were really pounding that Tua's better than
[58:30] Speaker 2: Herbert because it was the same draft and all that.
[58:32] Speaker 2: And I never did that. But there were moments where
[58:35] Speaker 2: I think I was more, I just kind of like,
[58:39] Speaker 2: I didn't take the L per se, but I rolled
[58:41] Speaker 2: over a little bit in retrospect.
[58:43] Speaker 1: Oh, Carson Wentz.
[58:45] Speaker 2: That's a good one.
[58:47] Speaker 1: Carson wentz he he made it tricky and then it
[58:49] Speaker 1: turned out to be what it was uh i imagine
[58:52] Speaker 1: somebody still holding out about kyler murray he just keep
[58:55] Speaker 1: riding along at that ambiguous purgatory of bustdom level um
[59:00] Speaker 1: somebody's going to be there with trevor lawrence.
[59:04] Speaker 2: I think that offense is actually gonna be pretty good
[59:06] Speaker 2: though watching.
[59:07] Speaker 1: Them yeah next time you're on we'll have to talk
[59:09] Speaker 1: it'll be another stage of the Travis Hunter experiment because
[59:13] Speaker 1: I don't know what anybody's doing over there.
[59:17] Speaker 2: Just play one. Just whatever.
[59:19] Speaker 1: I just don't. They're trying to reinvent the wheel. You
[59:23] Speaker 1: and I are on the same page.
[59:25] Speaker 2: Deontay, have you ever had him on? He's great. Mm-hmm.
[59:28] Speaker 1: I've not had them all good enough.
[59:29] Speaker 2: He had a comp that kind of briefly broke my
[59:33] Speaker 2: brain a little bit where he was watching Caleb and said,
[59:35] Speaker 2: Caleb has a lot of Trevor Lawrence in him. And
[59:39] Speaker 2: that made me kind of sit still for a second
[59:42] Speaker 2: with that thought in my head and think about it.
[59:45] Speaker 2: I'd never thought about those two quarterbacks, but it definitely
[59:50] Speaker 2: struck a chord with me.
[59:52] Speaker 1: I think that is a good time for me to
[59:54] Speaker 1: tell you guys that is Mina Combs. You can check
[59:56] Speaker 1: her out on the Mina Combs show. Featuring Lenny. Well,
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