# Danny Parkins on Knicks beating Spurs in game 1 of NBA Finals, Russell Wilson's Hall of Fame case | 06.04

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 4 Jun 2026, 58 min.

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• In this episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones and Danny Parkins break down why Karl-Anthony Towns might be the real key to a New York Knicks title run. Bomani argues that KAT has been the Knicks' best player in the postseason and explains why New York looks its most dangerous when the offense runs through Towns instead of falling into heavy Jalen Brunson isolation ball. They also get into how Towns' aggressiveness has changed the way people see him, why his effort level has been the biggest difference, and what this kind of playoff run could mean for his long-term legacy if the Knicks finish the job. Later in the episode, Bomani and Danny debate Russell Wilson's Hall of Fame case, including how much his Pro Bowls matter, how his resume compares to Matthew Stafford, and whether public opinion has swung too far against him after the Denver years. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:27] Speaker 2: First Things First on FS1. Brother, what's going on?
[0:31] Speaker 1: Joe and Bo, good morning. Carl Anthony Towns is three
[0:34] Speaker 1: games away from being an NBA champion.
[0:36] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
[0:36] Speaker 1: So we can get, like, straight to this. We can
[0:39] Speaker 1: do pleasantries, too, but, like, come on, let's not bury them.
[0:42] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, that's, it's not
[0:45] Speaker 2: just that we're three games away from him being a champion.
[0:47] Speaker 2: We're three games away from him not just being on
[0:50] Speaker 2: the champion, but being the reason that they would be champions. So, Joel,
[0:56] Speaker 2: I don't know why it is that Joel always come
[0:58] Speaker 2: up when he ain't here, but this happened. in a
[1:01] Speaker 2: group chat with Joel, and you know, Joel has this
[1:04] Speaker 2: weird protective thing about Carl because he felt like people
[1:07] Speaker 2: would be mean to him.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Oh, right.
[1:11] Speaker 2: Probably were. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they weren't wrong. But anyway, anyway,
[1:17] Speaker 2: he pops up with this thing about Towns, and he
[1:20] Speaker 2: says something to me about how I have been offering
[1:22] Speaker 2: Towns faint praise this postseason, and that's not true, right?
[1:26] Speaker 2: I started the postseason saying that if the Knicks are
[1:29] Speaker 2: going to win the championship, He had to be their
[1:31] Speaker 2: best player. That was their only chance. And they have
[1:34] Speaker 2: gotten here because he has been their best player. He's
[1:37] Speaker 2: been their best player also, weirdly enough, on 20% usage. Like,
[1:40] Speaker 2: it's not like he's been their best player because he's
[1:42] Speaker 2: out here knocking down every bucket. He's been their best
[1:44] Speaker 2: player because once things run through him, you have this reminder.
[1:46] Speaker 2: There's literally nobody in the league that can guard him
[1:49] Speaker 2: except for number 32 on the Knicks. And the Spurs
[1:52] Speaker 2: don't have anybody who can really guard him, right? Like,
[1:56] Speaker 2: Victor can guard him in the way that Victor can
[1:58] Speaker 2: guard everybody because you never know when the block's going
[2:00] Speaker 2: to come. But Carl is so much bigger than him
[2:02] Speaker 2: that if he gets by him by just a little bit, right,
[2:06] Speaker 2: the shoulders are past him. There's nothing really he can do.
[2:09] Speaker 2: And the Spurs, every other big man on the Spurs
[2:11] Speaker 2: is as old as me. All of them, right? They're
[2:15] Speaker 2: unplayably old, except for Luke Cornett. Get the fuck out
[2:18] Speaker 2: of here, right? Like, this is not, you know, This
[2:22] Speaker 2: is where they are. Carl last night, and he's out
[2:24] Speaker 2: here like, he ain't making all them stupid fouls, though
[2:27] Speaker 2: he'll get you with a couple every now and then.
[2:29] Speaker 2: He is calm under pressure, which is not something that
[2:32] Speaker 2: I would have expected. So Brunson hit the shots last
[2:36] Speaker 2: night or on Wednesday night, but I thought it was
[2:39] Speaker 2: no question, man. The guy for them has been Carl.
[2:43] Speaker 1: Undeniably, there was, this is a old reference. You'll get
[2:48] Speaker 1: the point. in the post Jordan era bulls, uh, when
[2:51] Speaker 1: they drafted Eddie Curry and Tyson Chandler, they were like,
[2:54] Speaker 1: they're going to be our two bigs. And it's going
[2:56] Speaker 1: to be the next era of rape bulls basketball. Scott
[2:59] Speaker 1: Skiles was a real hard ass. He was their coach
[3:01] Speaker 1: a couple of years into Eddie Curry's career. And there
[3:03] Speaker 1: was a question asked like why this big old seven footer,
[3:05] Speaker 1: Eddie Curry was averaging like four rebounds a game. And
[3:08] Speaker 1: the question was like, why, uh, what could Eddie Curry
[3:10] Speaker 1: do to be a better rebounder?
[3:13] Speaker 2: And Scott Skiles said, jump.
[3:15] Speaker 1: And it was just like, like Carl Anthony Towns, It
[3:19] Speaker 1: honestly feels like, and he's been doing it for months,
[3:21] Speaker 1: to be clear. It's just like, he's playing with effort.
[3:26] Speaker 1: He's playing hard. He's playing aggressive. His aggressiveness is now
[3:29] Speaker 1: meeting his obvious skill level. And he just took it
[3:34] Speaker 1: to Victor Wembanyama last night from jump. Because Brunson obviously
[3:39] Speaker 1: had the knee get hurt, got dinged up, whatever. Was
[3:42] Speaker 1: missing shots. Castle is a menace. Wemby backing him up.
[3:45] Speaker 2: The whole thing.
[3:45] Speaker 1: It's going to be tough for brunson to have efficiency
[3:48] Speaker 1: even though the dude's fearless and i'm sure we'll talk
[3:50] Speaker 1: more about him but carly anthony towns just was getting
[3:54] Speaker 1: around victor wembanyama with relative ease i'm sure it wasn't
[3:58] Speaker 1: easy but it looked easy because he is so crazy
[4:02] Speaker 1: talented and so much of the criticism of of.
[4:06] Speaker 2: Cat has been effort you know the story.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Yeah i love the 2018 uh you know jimmy butler
[4:13] Speaker 1: was like ultimately kind of his undoing in minnesota He
[4:16] Speaker 1: calls out Towns at practice. He calls out Wiggins at practice.
[4:20] Speaker 1: And he's like, give me the four worst players on
[4:22] Speaker 1: the team. And Jimmy Butler just talked trash to him
[4:25] Speaker 1: the whole time and beat the starters with the backups
[4:28] Speaker 1: and basically clowned Towns in front of the whole front office.
[4:32] Speaker 2: And then left to do an interview with Rachel Nichols.
[4:34] Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.
[4:35] Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.
[4:35] Speaker 2: By the way, that's why Joel hates Jimmy and why
[4:38] Speaker 2: Joel puts his cape off for Carl, which is the
[4:40] Speaker 2: most backward logic of all time. It's the most important.
[4:43] Speaker 2: At the time, Butler was correct.
[4:46] Speaker 4: Yes.
[4:47] Speaker 1: But I'm seriously impressed by Towns, and I can't even
[4:51] Speaker 1: pretend like it's a hot streak because he's been great
[4:56] Speaker 1: basically all season.
[4:57] Speaker 2: Good for him, right?
[4:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:59] Speaker 2: Look, I still contend that Minnesota traded Carl Towns for
[5:03] Speaker 2: Julius Randle. Yes, there were other pieces, but that was...
[5:05] Speaker 2: fundamentally what it was, because both of them felt like
[5:07] Speaker 2: you can't win with that guy. And the other team
[5:09] Speaker 2: was like, yeah, we'll give it a try. We can't
[5:11] Speaker 2: win with this guy. And Minnesota is stuck with Eeyore.
[5:14] Speaker 2: And Towns riled up in a situation where They're not
[5:18] Speaker 2: asking him to do that much. And when I say that,
[5:20] Speaker 2: I don't mean with the ball. It's not some expectation
[5:23] Speaker 2: that he's supposed to be the guy that carries the franchise.
[5:26] Speaker 2: He is one of many. Jalen Brunson, face of franchise.
[5:30] Speaker 2: It's a bunch of nice kids, right, on that team.
[5:33] Speaker 2: He fits very well within the dynamic that they have.
[5:36] Speaker 2: They've got the right players to kind of mask some
[5:39] Speaker 2: of his shortcomings. And his defense has gotten better, though
[5:42] Speaker 2: that is like primary shortcoming and always has been. And
[5:45] Speaker 2: so you mentioned the dumb fouls, right?
[5:47] Speaker 1: Like he's, he's always been a dumb foul guy that
[5:49] Speaker 1: did not happen in game one. I'm sure that will
[5:51] Speaker 1: happen at some point. Like he's not, he's not going
[5:53] Speaker 1: to get defensive player of the year votes. But again,
[5:55] Speaker 1: like if you're a good athlete at seven feet tall
[5:58] Speaker 1: and you try, like there's a fairly high floor for
[6:02] Speaker 1: what you can be as a defensive player. And he's
[6:05] Speaker 1: a really good rebounder when he tries. And that is
[6:08] Speaker 1: how you close defensive possessions. So like, it's not like
[6:10] Speaker 1: he has no utility as a defensive player, He just
[6:13] Speaker 1: needs to give a damn, and he has been, man.
[6:16] Speaker 1: I don't think he'll win finals MVP if they win it,
[6:20] Speaker 1: but it's on the board.
[6:23] Speaker 2: Well, the thing that I noticed when he got to
[6:25] Speaker 2: the Knicks that I don't think I realized quite was
[6:28] Speaker 2: that how good a passer he was. Yeah. He's skilled.
[6:32] Speaker 2: Like when he first got, got to the Knicks and
[6:34] Speaker 2: he was incredible at the beginning of year one, it
[6:36] Speaker 2: tailed off by the end of the year, but he
[6:37] Speaker 2: was incredible. And I was watching that and I was like, Oh,
[6:40] Speaker 2: this is what happens to everybody. You get your, like
[6:43] Speaker 2: you get a different exposure to him. And you're like,
[6:44] Speaker 2: this guy could be the best player in the NBA.
[6:46] Speaker 2: Right now, if you dial back from that and just
[6:49] Speaker 2: be like, you know what? This guy could be the
[6:51] Speaker 2: best player. Look, if he ends up being the best
[6:54] Speaker 2: player on a championship team, That is rare air that
[7:00] Speaker 2: you are in at that point.
[7:02] Speaker 1: Well, and.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Talk about a championship that is going to age well.
[7:07] Speaker 5: Yes.
[7:08] Speaker 3: Like, if he is the best player or the second
[7:13] Speaker 3: best player and the best big on a championship team
[7:18] Speaker 3: that beat Victor.
[7:19] Speaker 5: Wimbinyama, like, my guess is in 24, 50, we will
[7:25] Speaker 5: look back on Carl Anthony Towns and hold him in
[7:28] Speaker 5: even higher esteem because of what he did.
[7:31] Speaker 1: And then, like, you factor in.
[7:32] Speaker 2: How about the Knicks winning their first championship in 53 years? Right, right, right. Yeah, right.
[7:36] Speaker 1: The historical significance of it. He'll be courtside at MSG
[7:40] Speaker 1: for the rest of his life.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Yes. Hall of Fame? Yeah. I mean, I think... that
[7:46] Speaker 2: might have gotten solidified just by them making the finals.
[7:51] Speaker 2: I agree. And I'm saying regardless of whether you think
[7:53] Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Fame player, what are we talking about,
[7:55] Speaker 2: like six-time All-Star? I don't... And you make it to
[8:00] Speaker 2: the final. That, it's kind of there.
[8:03] Speaker 1: Right.
[8:04] Speaker 2: Number one pick.
[8:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[8:08] Speaker 1: It's a remarkable career transformation. Like when he said he
[8:12] Speaker 1: was the greatest shooting big man of all time, Everyone
[8:15] Speaker 1: mocked him.
[8:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, but we mocked him not because it was it
[8:18] Speaker 2: wasn't true. Why would you say that? Right, right.
[8:22] Speaker 1: It's just like inviting criticism, inviting attention to a career
[8:28] Speaker 1: that has felt largely like you are a huge underachiever.
[8:31] Speaker 1: So I really don't feel bad for the arrows that
[8:34] Speaker 1: this guy has taken over the course of his career.
[8:36] Speaker 2: But it is really a.
[8:39] Speaker 1: It's a testament to, like, your narrative is never written
[8:41] Speaker 1: in stone until you die.
[8:43] Speaker 2: No, and also, like, we got an episode coming up
[8:45] Speaker 2: where me and Vinny talk about Dirk Nowitzki. All you
[8:49] Speaker 2: got to do is win one. No doubt. Unless you're
[8:52] Speaker 2: in the LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlain. Sure. Rarified air. Dr. J.
[9:00] Speaker 4: Well, Dr.
[9:00] Speaker 2: J only had to win one. She only got to
[9:03] Speaker 2: win one.
[9:04] Speaker 1: We're not talking about Carl Anthony Towns as a top
[9:06] Speaker 1: 10 player of all time. We are parsing greatness between
[9:10] Speaker 1: Hakeem Olajuwon and Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant. If you
[9:15] Speaker 1: get the one and it's in New York and you
[9:18] Speaker 1: rewrote your history and the Basketball Hall of Fame is
[9:20] Speaker 1: easy to get into, you're just going to be a
[9:22] Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.
[9:23] Speaker 2: Carl Anthony Towns, Hall of Famer. I'll tell you this though,
[9:27] Speaker 2: as it relates to the Spurs, they've got a problem
[9:32] Speaker 2: and that problem is They don't have a playable big man.
[9:36] Speaker 2: As of now, Victor is still tall man. And he
[9:41] Speaker 2: has points at which he can get the ball to
[9:44] Speaker 2: the basket and get close, but he's still tall man.
[9:47] Speaker 2: I think the evolution of him is being an excellent
[9:50] Speaker 2: high post player, but I'm not sure when it's going
[9:52] Speaker 2: to get to the point where he can just get
[9:53] Speaker 2: close to the basket whenever he wants to. And that's
[9:57] Speaker 2: where they wind up with real issues. there this is
[10:01] Speaker 2: a terrible matchup for San Antonio that being said They
[10:05] Speaker 2: just couldn't buy a bucket at the end. I thought
[10:07] Speaker 2: they took bad shots. I thought when they had decent shots,
[10:10] Speaker 2: they missed them. I want to say they shot something
[10:12] Speaker 2: like around 30% from three or something crazy like that.
[10:17] Speaker 2: To me, game one was a game one in a
[10:19] Speaker 2: lot of ways. And I think both teams can go
[10:22] Speaker 2: back and feel pretty good about themselves and their ability
[10:25] Speaker 2: to kind of tweak this out. But San Antonio was
[10:28] Speaker 2: not ready in the sense that nobody that you can
[10:31] Speaker 2: put on the floor is big. Nobody.
[10:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, they shot 36% from the floor, 26% from three,
[10:40] Speaker 1: and Wemenyama was six of 21 from the floor and
[10:43] Speaker 1: two of nine from three. And this is overly simplistic,
[10:48] Speaker 1: and I know he has hit absolutely monster threes, the
[10:51] Speaker 1: most famous being the end of game one of the
[10:54] Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals, obviously.
[10:55] Speaker 2: Like, he can do it.
[10:58] Speaker 1: But you don't want him taking nine threes, not because
[11:01] Speaker 1: he can't hit them, because to me it's a fatigue sign.
[11:04] Speaker 1: He is settling a bit and playing three-point line to
[11:08] Speaker 1: three-point line, and I thought he looked tired. And I
[11:12] Speaker 1: know it's weird for someone like me to say about
[11:14] Speaker 1: someone like him.
[11:14] Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was clear.
[11:18] Speaker 1: I thought it was abundantly clear that he was tired,
[11:22] Speaker 1: and I think it's a product of his size, the
[11:24] Speaker 1: Knicks physicality, the length of the series against Oklahoma City,
[11:28] Speaker 1: the fact that he played 29 minutes a game in
[11:30] Speaker 1: the regular season, so he's not built up for it.
[11:33] Speaker 1: There's a million factors. And now he's I thought he
[11:36] Speaker 1: was not going to be able to survive two overtimes
[11:37] Speaker 1: of game one of the Western Conference finals. And he
[11:39] Speaker 1: did and proved this wrong. And he was amazing in
[11:41] Speaker 1: game seven on the road defensively in Oklahoma City. So
[11:44] Speaker 1: like he'll find another wind. But he did not have
[11:47] Speaker 1: it last night.
[11:48] Speaker 2: I would also make this point, and I think it's important.
[11:53] Speaker 2: No matter what the experience level is on the floor. Right.
[11:58] Speaker 2: And I bring that up to say. The Knicks don't
[12:00] Speaker 2: have anybody that's played on this particular stage. The Spurs
[12:05] Speaker 2: have Harrison Barnes, right, as guys who have played on
[12:10] Speaker 2: this level of stage. But still, it's a big difference
[12:14] Speaker 2: between being 22 and 29. Every starter for the Knicks
[12:19] Speaker 2: is between 28 and 31. All these guys out here
[12:24] Speaker 2: for the Spurs, Sham Pipple is 24. Victor is 22.
[12:28] Speaker 2: I want to say Vassell is 25. Castle is 21.
[12:32] Speaker 2: De'Aaron Fox, the old man of the bunch, is 28.
[12:37] Speaker 2: The Knicks have a bunch of grown men. The Spurs,
[12:40] Speaker 2: not so much. So I think about that in the
[12:42] Speaker 2: context of Victor and stamina where the stakes get up there, right?
[12:46] Speaker 2: Like he does a good job. He out there fucking
[12:48] Speaker 2: around with the monks and everything else, right? Like I
[12:50] Speaker 2: think that he does have a certain calm and composition
[12:53] Speaker 2: to him. His post-game quotes sounded very mature and all
[12:56] Speaker 2: of these things. But in the end, man, stakes ain't
[12:58] Speaker 2: never been higher than they had been. Never been an
[13:00] Speaker 2: arena that had been louder than the one that he
[13:04] Speaker 2: had been in. All of those things. And that goes
[13:07] Speaker 2: to that gets into a fatigue place because you're so
[13:10] Speaker 2: ramped up trying to play this game. And the Knicks
[13:13] Speaker 2: did not seem that there was never a point to
[13:16] Speaker 2: me where this felt like it was big. I'm not
[13:18] Speaker 2: even saying too big because I don't think the moment
[13:20] Speaker 2: was too big for the Spurs. but the moment was
[13:22] Speaker 2: very big for the Spurs. Maybe there's something to the
[13:24] Speaker 2: fact that they got all those guys that won one
[13:26] Speaker 2: or two national championships, right? Like they played games that
[13:29] Speaker 2: had stakes.
[13:30] Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just thinking about the national championships and listen,
[13:34] Speaker 1: they've played in a lot of playoff games.
[13:36] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[13:37] Speaker 1: Like, like Jalen Brunson. I was looking at it yesterday before,
[13:40] Speaker 1: before game one, Jalen Brunson has the most points in
[13:45] Speaker 1: the playoffs, like in total and aggregate over.
[13:47] Speaker 2: The last four post seasons. Yeah. They've played in a
[13:51] Speaker 2: lot of playoff games.
[13:52] Speaker 1: Now, they haven't hung a banner, which is why they've
[13:54] Speaker 1: been disappointing, but these guys largely together have played in
[13:58] Speaker 1: a ton of these games. I did think the idea
[14:00] Speaker 1: that the Spurs had over-celebrated the Western Conference, I thought
[14:06] Speaker 1: that was silly because they beat the champs. They were
[14:10] Speaker 1: going to the finals. How many athletes have we heard, like, hey,
[14:12] Speaker 1: if they're giving out a trophy, I want to win it?
[14:14] Speaker 1: That was the first trophy they had won together as
[14:17] Speaker 1: a team, so I didn't think that their celebration of
[14:19] Speaker 1: that was indicative of anything. And they were up 14
[14:22] Speaker 1: points in the third quarter. So I don't think that
[14:25] Speaker 1: like at all that the moment was too big. I
[14:27] Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to panic after losing home
[14:30] Speaker 1: court advantage or anything like that. Like I expect them
[14:32] Speaker 1: to come back and have a much better game two
[14:34] Speaker 1: shooting from the floor. They easily could have won game one,
[14:38] Speaker 1: but the Knicks didn't fold, man. Like I did think
[14:40] Speaker 1: that there was a real chance that just the step
[14:43] Speaker 1: up in competition for the Knicks to the Spurs and
[14:46] Speaker 1: how much better the West was than the East. Like
[14:48] Speaker 1: I had a lot more concerns about the Knicks ability
[14:51] Speaker 1: than the Spurs going in.
[14:53] Speaker 2: And obviously I was dead ass wrong. Yeah. So one
[14:55] Speaker 2: thing I would say, like, I would argue that the
[14:57] Speaker 2: Knicks actually have not been disappointing. They've had a climb, right?
[15:01] Speaker 2: Get to the second round, get to the conference finals.
[15:03] Speaker 2: Like this collection of guys, even though this is the
[15:07] Speaker 2: second year for Towns, but he's still, I think, involved
[15:09] Speaker 2: in this. This collection of guys has been making the climb. Right.
[15:12] Speaker 2: That we typically talk about with teams going to getting
[15:15] Speaker 2: this far where they get to this point, they hit
[15:17] Speaker 2: their head like that first year where Brunson was there.
[15:19] Speaker 2: And I want to say they lost in the second round.
[15:21] Speaker 2: They got a standing ovation at Madison Square Garden. I
[15:25] Speaker 2: don't recall a standing ovation after they lost to the
[15:27] Speaker 2: Pacers necessarily. But this one. These are the steps. This
[15:31] Speaker 2: is where it is they're supposed to be. The Spurs
[15:34] Speaker 2: skipped some steps. And I think that the discussion around
[15:37] Speaker 2: their celebration after the game, I agree with you, was silly.
[15:40] Speaker 2: But it was interesting because in my mind, I compared
[15:43] Speaker 2: it to the Utah Jazz in 97 after Stockton hit
[15:45] Speaker 2: that shot against the Rockets. And all those years that
[15:49] Speaker 2: they have been trying to do this for eight or
[15:50] Speaker 2: nine years at that point, and all of those years
[15:53] Speaker 2: just came out in that moment. Stockton is jumping up
[15:56] Speaker 2: and down and they come out there. But nobody was
[15:59] Speaker 2: feeling like, oh, wow, they already won their championship. No,
[16:01] Speaker 2: that's not what happened. Maybe it feels different because the
[16:04] Speaker 2: Spurs were so young under that scenario. But it was
[16:07] Speaker 2: game seven against a bunch of dudes they despise. Like,
[16:11] Speaker 2: absolutely loathe in one of the most intimidating environments that
[16:15] Speaker 2: there is. And it was a close game, for the
[16:17] Speaker 2: most part, going all the way. Yeah, the guys were
[16:20] Speaker 2: happy about winning. There's a goddamn trophy presentation, man. Correct.
[16:24] Speaker 1: Right?
[16:24] Speaker 2: The Knicks weren't going to act like that because the
[16:26] Speaker 2: Knicks were winning by 67 points for the entirety of
[16:30] Speaker 2: the game. In a sweep.
[16:33] Speaker 1: Like, it was just completely... And listen, and Brunson is,
[16:36] Speaker 1: you know, a different kind of crazy.
[16:39] Speaker 2: Like, after game one.
[16:40] Speaker 1: when he hits that shot, he just starts yelling at
[16:43] Speaker 1: Scott Foster. Yes. Like the game ends.
[16:47] Speaker 2: They've won game one.
[16:48] Speaker 1: And obviously you're not expecting a huge celebration, but he
[16:51] Speaker 1: just like poor Lisa Salters is like, when is this
[16:54] Speaker 1: interview going to happen?
[16:55] Speaker 2: He's just like berating Scott Foster.
[16:57] Speaker 1: I'm like, I know you didn't, you know, shoot a
[17:00] Speaker 1: free throw until like late in the third quarter and
[17:02] Speaker 1: you had gotten the knee injury. And then Luke Cornett
[17:05] Speaker 1: stepped on your ankle, which was clearly totally accidental. But like,
[17:08] Speaker 1: I was just, He's just berating. I don't know.
[17:12] Speaker 2: If that was Luca, we would have been killing it.
[17:14] Speaker 2: All he was doing was pitching to the refs. All night.
[17:17] Speaker 2: Did you see where Mike Brown said about them complaining
[17:20] Speaker 2: to the refs? He said at postgame, he was like, no,
[17:22] Speaker 2: our problem was we were all just talking too much
[17:24] Speaker 2: to the refs. He said Rick Brunson told everybody to
[17:26] Speaker 2: shut the hell up, including Mike Brown. And then everything
[17:29] Speaker 2: came together.
[17:30] Speaker 1: I did not see that, but I love that because
[17:33] Speaker 1: I found it to be distracting. How much they were
[17:37] Speaker 1: complaining to the refs in an NBA finals game when
[17:39] Speaker 1: they weren't hitting the broad.
[17:40] Speaker 2: Side of a farm. Hit a shot. You're not getting fouled.
[17:45] Speaker 2: I don't understand what was happening. Well, okay. No, no.
[17:49] Speaker 1: But Brunson is just this stoic figure almost to his personality.
[17:54] Speaker 2: And Wemby clearly... I mean, the guy.
[17:57] Speaker 1: Talked after that one. He was like, I want to
[17:59] Speaker 1: win 15 or 20 of these. Yeah. And no one's
[18:03] Speaker 1: killing him like LeBron's not six, not seven, not eight.
[18:06] Speaker 1: They're just crazy people. Now, I want to put a
[18:09] Speaker 1: pin in what you just said about Brunson. I want
[18:10] Speaker 1: to make this point about Mike Brown right fast, and
[18:12] Speaker 1: I think this matters.
[18:14] Speaker 2: This is the fourth franchise with which Mike Brown has
[18:20] Speaker 2: been to an NBA Finals in some capacity. Went there
[18:23] Speaker 2: with the Spurs, went there with the Cavs, went there
[18:25] Speaker 2: with the Warriors. And now he's back to this. Mitch Johnson,
[18:33] Speaker 2: of whom I had never heard two years ago. Well,
[18:35] Speaker 2: I remember now that he played at Stanford, but I
[18:38] Speaker 2: didn't have to connect those things. Anyway, this is a
[18:40] Speaker 2: bit brand new to him. Mike Brown has done this
[18:43] Speaker 2: from a bunch of different angles with a bunch of
[18:44] Speaker 2: different guys with a bunch of different types of teams.
[18:47] Speaker 2: And so I do think there's something to be said
[18:48] Speaker 2: about him knowing what this moment requires. Not to say
[18:51] Speaker 2: that Johnson can't figure it out or whatever, but in
[18:54] Speaker 2: game one, Mike Brown's walking in with a different level
[18:57] Speaker 2: of institutional knowledge, I would argue. And I think there's
[18:59] Speaker 2: something to that in terms of, you know, how that
[19:01] Speaker 2: game went. The thing with Jalen Brunson, if I were
[19:08] Speaker 2: coaching the Spurs, here's what I would do. I would
[19:13] Speaker 2: find somebody who had been around the 2004 NBA finals.
[19:18] Speaker 2: And I would bring up this point. We have had
[19:21] Speaker 2: David Aldridge on this show and he has talked about
[19:23] Speaker 2: this and it's a crazy story to go back on
[19:26] Speaker 2: and a lot most people notice if you don't this
[19:28] Speaker 2: is pretty amazing Larry Brown I don't think this is
[19:32] Speaker 2: on the record I think it was off the record
[19:34] Speaker 2: but still he told any reporter who would listen what
[19:39] Speaker 2: their strategy was for beating the Lakers in 04 and
[19:43] Speaker 2: you got to remember that was the chaos year right
[19:45] Speaker 2: that was the year when Kobe was going to court
[19:47] Speaker 2: all the time Gary Payton and Karl Malone had been
[19:49] Speaker 2: brought in, all of these things. Shaq Knight getting his money,
[19:52] Speaker 2: all of this. Larry Brown said, look, those two guys
[19:58] Speaker 2: over there hate each other. And their strategy was less
[20:03] Speaker 2: of a basketball strategy than more of a people strategy
[20:06] Speaker 2: against And the idea was to create a circumstance that
[20:11] Speaker 2: goaded Kobe Bryant into taking more and more and more
[20:16] Speaker 2: and more and more shots. If I remember this right,
[20:20] Speaker 2: I wish Vinny was here because he knows it better
[20:22] Speaker 2: than I do. But part of it was to let
[20:24] Speaker 2: Shaq get his situation going and then let Kobe shoot
[20:27] Speaker 2: you out the gate. But the plan was to use
[20:30] Speaker 2: the interpersonal dynamics of the team to get those two
[20:34] Speaker 2: guys to actually play against each other. And then that
[20:38] Speaker 2: would leave me in the infamous five game sweep that
[20:41] Speaker 2: they had in that series. Jalen Brunson shot 31 shots
[20:48] Speaker 2: in this game. This team has been at its most
[20:51] Speaker 2: successful when the team runs through Carl Anthony Towns. When
[20:55] Speaker 2: they have bogged down, now granted Brunson hit those shots late,
[20:58] Speaker 2: but this was not, I do not think this was
[21:00] Speaker 2: a good game from Jalen Brunson, right? When they have
[21:03] Speaker 2: bogged down, it's when Jalen Brunson goes back to running
[21:07] Speaker 2: an isolation brand of Jalen Brunson ball that depending on
[21:10] Speaker 2: who you talk to was kind of fraying things with
[21:12] Speaker 2: this team last year and at points going through this year.
[21:16] Speaker 2: So if you're the Spurs, how do you get Jalen
[21:19] Speaker 2: Brunson to do that? It sounds counterintuitive, the idea of
[21:23] Speaker 2: we want Jalen Brunson to take a bunch of shots,
[21:25] Speaker 2: just like it would seem counterintuitive to say we want
[21:28] Speaker 2: to get Kobe Bryant to take a bunch of shots.
[21:31] Speaker 2: But if things are running through their best player, things
[21:35] Speaker 2: are not going to be that good for the Spurs.
[21:37] Speaker 2: If you let Jalen Brunson run ISO, your size problems
[21:41] Speaker 2: don't matter anymore, right? All these other things don't really matter.
[21:46] Speaker 2: If you can trick Jalen Brunson into thinking he needs
[21:49] Speaker 2: to get out here and keep shooting 31 shots.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Listen, it's a great point. The thing is to say
[21:55] Speaker 1: to a Knicks fan that Jalen Brunson isn't their best player.
[21:58] Speaker 4: I know.
[21:59] Speaker 2: Is it akin to saying that your child doesn't love you?
[22:03] Speaker 1: I know.
[22:04] Speaker 2: They can't. Nobody wants to hear me when I say this. it's,
[22:09] Speaker 2: it's like I said, I listen, man.
[22:11] Speaker 1: Yeah. Towns is a more like singular talent, but I
[22:17] Speaker 1: will say what Brunson has is like, like Chet Holmgren
[22:21] Speaker 1: should pay Jalen Brunson $ 5 million in the off season
[22:25] Speaker 1: to just like, try to get inside his head because like,
[22:28] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson would have gone, what do you want, 12
[22:31] Speaker 1: for 31?
[22:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[22:32] Speaker 1: He would have gone 12 for 70. That's what it took. Like,
[22:36] Speaker 1: if that's what it took. Like, there was no world
[22:38] Speaker 1: where he wasn't shooting down the stretch. And there is something, too. Like,
[22:43] Speaker 1: everyone on that team has signed up for it. Maybe
[22:47] Speaker 1: they want more shots early and you want to get
[22:49] Speaker 1: big the touches early and get it. But they have
[22:51] Speaker 1: signed up for, this guy has won this weird clutch
[22:53] Speaker 1: player of the year. Fourth quarter is his time, all
[22:56] Speaker 1: that shit.
[22:57] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's something to that, right? Yeah.
[23:00] Speaker 2: But you can get this going early. He didn't take
[23:03] Speaker 2: 31 shots because he shot 20 of them in the
[23:06] Speaker 2: last two minutes.
[23:07] Speaker 4: Right?
[23:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[23:08] Speaker 2: Let him rack those shots up. That is your time.
[23:13] Speaker 2: I want to make another point right quick before we
[23:16] Speaker 2: go into a break about Jalen Brunson and part of
[23:20] Speaker 2: the affection that I think exists for him in New York.
[23:23] Speaker 2: And it's big. We can do a whole pot on this.
[23:25] Speaker 2: We could, we could, but I have been meaning to
[23:29] Speaker 2: make this point for a while. And we can make
[23:32] Speaker 2: a social video out of this, right? If you want,
[23:34] Speaker 2: I'm kind of proud of myself here. A lot of
[23:37] Speaker 2: pushback against Becky Hammond for her saying that Jalen Brunson
[23:40] Speaker 2: is too small to be the best player on a
[23:43] Speaker 2: championship team. And I'd love for her to say, go
[23:45] Speaker 2: prove me wrong. still have your opportunity. But it's been
[23:48] Speaker 2: amazing to be how many people have pushed back against
[23:51] Speaker 2: that point, given that that is conventional NBA wisdom and
[23:54] Speaker 2: NBA wisdom that is borne out by fact, right? Like,
[23:58] Speaker 2: we've seen this. And I've realized something that we need
[24:02] Speaker 2: to start doing, which is every time somebody gets mad
[24:05] Speaker 2: at you questioning whether Jalen Brunson is big enough to
[24:07] Speaker 2: be your best player on a championship team, you should
[24:10] Speaker 2: not be allowed to answer that question without saying how
[24:12] Speaker 2: tall you are. Like, All you 5'8 motherfuckers out here,
[24:17] Speaker 2: and they done told you, and by they I mean she,
[24:20] Speaker 2: that you ain't tall enough to ride the ride. I
[24:22] Speaker 2: understand that you want to put on your cape for
[24:24] Speaker 2: what is the 5'8 of basketball, which is 6'2, right? Like,
[24:28] Speaker 2: I get you. And you're like, yeah, I know, I know.
[24:30] Speaker 2: You average height for an American male. I hear you.
[24:33] Speaker 2: But I feel like what has happened here is all
[24:35] Speaker 2: those guys, right? All them cats wearing that size medium
[24:39] Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson jersey that they went and bought from the
[24:41] Speaker 2: NBA store. They're the ones that pushed back. And you
[24:44] Speaker 2: know what? It's a lot more 5'8 in this world
[24:47] Speaker 2: than 6'2. You know what I'm saying? And New York
[24:49] Speaker 2: got a lot of 5'8. I'd be out here in
[24:51] Speaker 2: these streets. Y'all there, right? It ain't like when I
[24:54] Speaker 2: was in some of these countries where I'm like, I
[24:56] Speaker 2: think I'm the tallest person here. It's not that in
[24:58] Speaker 2: New York. But 5'8s, they got a disproportionate amount of power.
[25:02] Speaker 2: And I think that they the ones that really, they
[25:05] Speaker 2: love this for Jalen Brunson and they push back on
[25:07] Speaker 2: any criticism that has to do with the fact that
[25:09] Speaker 2: he's simply not very tall. That is a good social
[25:13] Speaker 2: media video. That'll do numbers for you. Let me tell
[25:17] Speaker 2: you something. I don't like when we use those videos
[25:20] Speaker 2: to antagonize most people. But the little homies? Yeah, you
[25:24] Speaker 2: like that. I live for that. Yeah, you do. I
[25:27] Speaker 2: live for that. I'll take all you little... I'll take
[25:28] Speaker 2: y'all all to the post after this.
[25:32] Speaker 1: It is a unique combination of he's a little guy,
[25:37] Speaker 1: he's fearless, and he took less money for the team.
[25:41] Speaker 2: He did. He did.
[25:43] Speaker 1: People love he took less money for the team.
[25:46] Speaker 2: How much did he take?
[25:48] Speaker 1: He's like, well, it was still like $ 170 million. But
[25:53] Speaker 1: he took less money.
[25:54] Speaker 2: He's a little guy who took less money.
[25:56] Speaker 1: And he balls out of the fourth quarter.
[25:58] Speaker 2: Dirk giving Mark Cuban all that money for no goddamn reason.
[26:02] Speaker 2: He got no ROI on his give money back. We
[26:07] Speaker 2: eat that shit up, man. And I mean.
[26:11] Speaker 4: And I guess it.
[26:11] Speaker 1: Might win him a title. It might end up winning
[26:14] Speaker 1: him a title. It checks all of the boxes of
[26:18] Speaker 1: the beloved. I live in suburban New York. There's a
[26:22] Speaker 1: lot of kids at my kid's school with size small
[26:25] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. Oh, yeah.
[26:27] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Popular. Oh, man. You're out there near the facility. Oh, yeah.
[26:33] Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson, move to my town.
[26:36] Speaker 6: Jalen Brunson, very popular at the local bagel store. He
[26:42] Speaker 6: is very popular. Mom teaching a workout class with all
[26:46] Speaker 6: the other moms out here.
[26:47] Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it is a... I am into it.
[26:50] Speaker 1: But again, I was curious. It's like LeBron James, Steph Curry,
[26:54] Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson for national jersey sales. Like, he is a
[26:58] Speaker 1: wildly popular figure in the NBA arenas.
[27:01] Speaker 2: I mean... Think about what it would have been for
[27:04] Speaker 2: Melo if he had shown up and this is what
[27:06] Speaker 2: it started being. You know what I'm saying? He has
[27:10] Speaker 2: fulfilled the promise. All these free agents, they always wanted
[27:14] Speaker 2: that they were never actually going to get. The realistic
[27:19] Speaker 2: one was this one. Now, never mind the fact that
[27:22] Speaker 2: they made his dad an assistant coach. I still think
[27:24] Speaker 2: that shit is weird. Oh, well, I mean, the whole.
[27:27] Speaker 1: Thing, Leon Rose and Worldwide West and Rick Bunsen, and
[27:31] Speaker 1: it's just CAA running the Knicks. Yeah, dude, it is
[27:35] Speaker 1: a singular. None of their starters were drafted by the Knicks.
[27:40] Speaker 2: That's true.
[27:40] Speaker 1: It is a very oddly constructed organization, top to bottom.
[27:45] Speaker 1: But hey, man, I will also say this.
[27:48] Speaker 2: Worldwide West NBA champ would be the completion of one
[27:52] Speaker 2: of the, the Forrest Gump story of all of them.
[27:55] Speaker 2: Like we're beyond the point where William Wesley is like
[27:58] Speaker 2: this internet legend, right? Henry Abbott's great white whale or anything.
[28:02] Speaker 2: This dude has been a little bit of everywhere for
[28:05] Speaker 2: a zillion different reasons. And now they, they may be
[28:10] Speaker 2: putting together a champion. Wow.
[28:14] Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I, and I mean, I doubted them.
[28:17] Speaker 1: I mean, listen, man, we don't have to go all
[28:20] Speaker 1: through it again. We've discussed my James Harden mistakes. I
[28:24] Speaker 1: picked the Cavs over the Knicks. I picked the Hawks
[28:27] Speaker 1: over the Knicks. That was also preposterous. I thought it
[28:32] Speaker 1: was insane to fire Tibbs for Mike Brown. I said
[28:36] Speaker 1: you cannot win with Brunson and Cat on the floor
[28:39] Speaker 1: at the same time because the two best players can't
[28:41] Speaker 1: be in front of liabilities. If they win this title...
[28:46] Speaker 1: I think it will be the most wrong I've ever
[28:49] Speaker 1: been start to finish about a team in any sport.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, Carl Childs is no longer a
[28:54] Speaker 2: defensive liability. No, I know. That's an important part. It's
[28:59] Speaker 2: like when Josh Allen got good. Don't blame me. If
[29:02] Speaker 2: he had been doing this shit the whole time, I
[29:03] Speaker 2: would have been singing a completely different tune.
[29:07] Speaker 1: I agree, but you've been on the internet. I know.
[29:09] Speaker 2: That's not how it works.
[29:11] Speaker 1: I can't just be like, I got new information. He's
[29:14] Speaker 1: trying now.
[29:15] Speaker 2: They don't care. it does wow what a time man
[29:18] Speaker 2: uh but coming up next i want to ask danny
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[33:06] Speaker 2: back with Danny Parkins. Check out First Things First on FS1.
[33:11] Speaker 2: I've been in New York for nine years. You've been here, what, now, two? Two, yeah. Two.
[33:15] Speaker 2: Two in August. My good buddy, Peter. Peter does the
[33:19] Speaker 2: music for this show. I've known Peter since he was
[33:22] Speaker 2: a junior in high school. That's now 21 years that
[33:25] Speaker 2: I know Peter. Peter is the biggest Knicks fan I know.
[33:29] Speaker 2: And I have to read to you guys a couple
[33:31] Speaker 2: of texts that I got from Sneaky Pete during the game.
[33:36] Speaker 2: One of my favorites. This is maybe one of my
[33:39] Speaker 2: favorite texts anybody has ever sent me. And this was
[33:43] Speaker 2: an hour into or about an hour out of the
[33:48] Speaker 2: first half. You know, I never had this level of
[33:51] Speaker 2: stress when I was waiting on the ping pong balls
[33:53] Speaker 2: to go our way. But I will also send you
[33:59] Speaker 2: the last text that he sent me at 1223 a.m.
[34:02] Speaker 2: that said, and I quote, give my boy cat his flowers.
[34:06] Speaker 2: He had with me looking like Chet. Knicks fans, ladies
[34:10] Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Knicks fans. I've watched them be so cool
[34:14] Speaker 2: about this and just be happy with everything they have
[34:17] Speaker 2: at every step of the way. Like the Knicks really
[34:19] Speaker 2: battered them into submission. I watched them, you know, and
[34:22] Speaker 2: I think they've been good about this. And I really
[34:24] Speaker 2: just can't explain to people how happy they are here, right?
[34:27] Speaker 2: Like I kind of, I avoid watch party stuff for
[34:29] Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. One, after what I've done for
[34:33] Speaker 2: a living for the last 15 or 20 years, watching
[34:35] Speaker 2: games with the general population, you kind of have to
[34:37] Speaker 2: opt out of it, Parkins. I imagine that you could
[34:39] Speaker 2: also bounce for me on this one. I love my basement, dude. Yeah,
[34:42] Speaker 2: that's why we have to go to Nick's house if
[34:44] Speaker 2: we want to go watch games around. We meet at
[34:46] Speaker 2: Nick's for football. Yeah, we can't do this around the
[34:48] Speaker 2: Gen Pop. It's not a great idea, right? That's number one.
[34:52] Speaker 2: Number two, the same reason I'm not going to these
[34:54] Speaker 2: Jay-Z concerts. I feel like this is for people who
[34:56] Speaker 2: love this, right? And I simply am happy for you guys.
[35:01] Speaker 2: But man, they had a watch party at Central Park
[35:05] Speaker 2: on Wednesday night. And I'm kind of, and look, the
[35:08] Speaker 2: news was interviewing some people there. And I'll just tell you,
[35:12] Speaker 2: the talent wasn't just on the basketball court, brother. I'm
[35:14] Speaker 2: kind of, I'm kind of tempted to go check it
[35:17] Speaker 2: out because everybody is so happy here.
[35:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a, you know, New York is an amazing place.
[35:24] Speaker 1: I was, I was walking, I was walking to work yesterday.
[35:28] Speaker 1: I was taping an interview with our buddy Carrington Harrison
[35:31] Speaker 1: in Kansas city and Taraji B. Henson walked right past
[35:34] Speaker 1: me and we brushed shoulders. Like it is just like,
[35:35] Speaker 1: you never, know what you're gonna see.
[35:37] Speaker 2: Yeah i walked past michael imperioli on broadway on the
[35:40] Speaker 2: upper west side the other day just walking to the
[35:42] Speaker 2: i was walking to the train station.
[35:44] Speaker 1: Yeah it's just just new york like the world cup
[35:47] Speaker 1: is coming here it's like you don't really think a
[35:50] Speaker 1: president can be in town i walk through the theater
[35:52] Speaker 1: district and it's like oh george clooney has a show
[35:55] Speaker 1: there denzel has a show there it's like you don't
[35:57] Speaker 1: really notice anything because it's so big there's so many people.
[35:59] Speaker 2: It's kind of like vegas where the cab driver's like
[36:01] Speaker 2: so what's the event this week right exactly nba summer
[36:04] Speaker 2: league oh okay Yeah, great. You're in town.
[36:07] Speaker 1: Or it could have been a convention for arms dealers.
[36:09] Speaker 2: And there's really no difference. Not this. Think of the things.
[36:17] Speaker 1: I've been here for a Yankees World Series, the World Cup,
[36:21] Speaker 1: Trump being around.
[36:23] Speaker 2: I've been here for some things. It's New York. You're
[36:25] Speaker 2: always here for some things.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Dude, you notice when the Knicks are good, whether it's
[36:29] Speaker 1: the flags at the bars, the specials at the bars.
[36:31] Speaker 2: The gear that people are wearing.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a unifying thing because, like, Yankees and Mets
[36:37] Speaker 1: split the town. Giants and Jets split the town. The
[36:40] Speaker 1: Nets don't split anything.
[36:41] Speaker 2: No, they don't. No, they don't.
[36:44] Speaker 1: I was at a charity poker thing the other night.
[36:45] Speaker 1: The guy was like, I do events for Barclays. I
[36:47] Speaker 1: was like, I haven't been.
[36:49] Speaker 2: I hear it's awesome. I would love... But, like, you
[36:50] Speaker 2: know what I mean? It's just, it's not the same draw.
[36:53] Speaker 2: And so.
[36:54] Speaker 1: it's a cool thing to see a city so unified
[36:57] Speaker 1: behind the NBA, even if no Knicks fan wants me
[36:59] Speaker 1: at any watch party based on my mentions.
[37:02] Speaker 2: And it's so interesting, like the vibe around Madison square garden,
[37:06] Speaker 2: where there is a playoff game going on. And, you know,
[37:08] Speaker 2: for so long, they weren't playing any of those. And
[37:12] Speaker 2: I don't want to insult any of the hockey fans,
[37:13] Speaker 2: but like when the Rangers are in the playoffs and
[37:16] Speaker 2: you go down by Madison square garden, they're all there. Right. Like,
[37:19] Speaker 2: and they all got on their Rangers gear. It's obvious
[37:21] Speaker 2: that it's a thing, but, Have you ever been to
[37:24] Speaker 2: a club that like on Friday night was college night,
[37:28] Speaker 2: but then you pull up on Saturday night and it's
[37:30] Speaker 2: gay night? Okay. That's what it feels like when the
[37:34] Speaker 2: Rangers are playing in Madison Square Garden. It's like, wow,
[37:38] Speaker 2: something feels different about this. And the difference is everything, right? Like,
[37:42] Speaker 2: it's like, oh, this is what we're doing. It just doesn't, like,
[37:45] Speaker 2: heteronormativity in New York City is the Knicks, right? Like,
[37:50] Speaker 2: that's the normal state of affairs. Otherwise, you're over there like, wow,
[37:53] Speaker 2: why are they wearing long-sleeve shirts? I don't really understand.
[37:57] Speaker 1: That's incredible. And the other thing, too.
[38:02] Speaker 1: Knicks fans take a certain amount of pride in the
[38:05] Speaker 1: price point to get into the garden. And I'm like,
[38:09] Speaker 1: you're happy that it's $ 4, 500 to sit up top.
[38:13] Speaker 2: There's just so many like, but they're like, yeah, I mean,
[38:15] Speaker 2: it's the Knicks. What do you mean? That's not an
[38:18] Speaker 2: explanation for.
[38:21] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, because they do like these man on
[38:23] Speaker 1: the street pieces on every local. How much did you
[38:25] Speaker 1: pay for tickets? And people are just proud to be
[38:27] Speaker 1: like nine grand. Like that is, It is completely insane,
[38:31] Speaker 1: and it's in their marrow.
[38:34] Speaker 4: Yes.
[38:34] Speaker 2: It's a different thing. I'll give Knicks fans this, too,
[38:37] Speaker 2: and this is the one thing about their famous fans.
[38:40] Speaker 2: They act like regular people.
[38:41] Speaker 1: Oh, dude, Ben Stiller has sent me like four different,
[38:46] Speaker 1: five different tweets during these playoffs clowning me for my
[38:50] Speaker 1: takes to the point that if the Knicks win this title,
[38:53] Speaker 1: I have to spend a literal night in the museum.
[38:56] Speaker 2: Yo, it's so funny. He follows me, but he's never
[38:58] Speaker 2: hit me up. Like the guys that just send texts
[39:01] Speaker 2: and tweets to the random media members. I always feel
[39:04] Speaker 2: so offended. Like, what am I doing wrong? Like Kevin
[39:06] Speaker 2: Durant has never berated me in my DMS, right? Ben Stiller.
[39:10] Speaker 2: He doesn't send me any of the stuff. This was dude.
[39:12] Speaker 1: And like, I have a, huge Ben Stiller fan so
[39:16] Speaker 1: I was like this is the coolest like Nick was
[39:18] Speaker 1: like where does it rank for you that one of
[39:21] Speaker 1: your comedy heroes responded to you because he clowned one
[39:25] Speaker 1: of your awful takes I'm like it's probably a little
[39:27] Speaker 1: too high I enjoyed it probably a little too much
[39:30] Speaker 1: uh but yeah i don't know what i was doing
[39:32] Speaker 1: right or in this case very very wrong about the
[39:35] Speaker 1: knicks but like sneaky top x fan base in all
[39:42] Speaker 1: the sports not because of the celebrity thing but like
[39:44] Speaker 1: They just take over road arenas.
[39:46] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[39:47] Speaker 2: Again, that goes back to money. Well, I think it
[39:51] Speaker 2: goes back less to money than a couple of things. One,
[39:53] Speaker 2: a bunch of New Yorkers everywhere, right? Like they turn
[39:55] Speaker 2: up there. Number two, it's not so much the money
[39:59] Speaker 2: that they have as much as it is the money
[40:02] Speaker 2: it costs to go to Madison Square Garden. Therefore, you
[40:06] Speaker 2: can save money by jumping on the Acela and going
[40:10] Speaker 2: to Philadelphia and and watching this game, right? From different
[40:14] Speaker 2: parts of the city, it is easier, like, it is
[40:17] Speaker 2: easier for me to get to Philadelphia from my house
[40:21] Speaker 2: than I feel like it is to get to, like,
[40:23] Speaker 2: deep Brooklyn, for example. Yeah, no doubt.
[40:26] Speaker 1: I mean, Steph wants to go to World Cup games,
[40:28] Speaker 1: and I'm like, we should probably drive to Philly because
[40:33] Speaker 1: you literally can't drive to MetLife. That's the only World
[40:36] Speaker 1: Cup venue they're not selling parking for.
[40:38] Speaker 2: She's like, what?
[40:38] Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we would need to go into the city,
[40:41] Speaker 1: and go to Penn Station, which is not the train
[40:44] Speaker 1: station that we come into from Westchester, it would be
[40:46] Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare.
[40:48] Speaker 2: But, yeah, man, these... But I saw John Turturro last night.
[40:52] Speaker 2: You know, Nish from.
[40:54] Speaker 1: Rounders is just in, like, the 10th row in San Antonio.
[40:58] Speaker 1: He clearly just bought those tickets.
[41:01] Speaker 4: Yes.
[41:01] Speaker 2: They're great fans, man. They really are. They are. They just.
[41:06] Speaker 2: What's going to happen if they win though? Because I
[41:08] Speaker 2: found they haven't been annoying lately. I have found them
[41:11] Speaker 2: to be charming. I used to find them to be annoying.
[41:14] Speaker 2: I found that hasn't been the case. I don't know
[41:16] Speaker 2: what happens if they have a ring.
[41:19] Speaker 1: Listen, they'll probably be annoying, but it's, I, while I
[41:25] Speaker 1: have picked against them every step of the way, I am, I'm,
[41:30] Speaker 1: I love sports, man. Like 15, 52, 53 years without
[41:34] Speaker 1: a ring and an awesome fan base in a huge
[41:36] Speaker 1: city that reps like this. And to your point, like
[41:39] Speaker 1: clearly gives a damn. Like they're not like, it's not
[41:42] Speaker 1: like a Dodger fan. They're not like showing up late
[41:44] Speaker 1: and leaving early. Like they're, they're real fans. So yeah, I'm, I'm,
[41:48] Speaker 1: I'm happy for them.
[41:49] Speaker 2: We're going to see game two is going to be
[41:51] Speaker 2: something like all the adjustments will come. I think by
[41:53] Speaker 2: the time, yeah, the next show we'll do here will
[41:56] Speaker 2: be right before game three. Um, So this is going
[42:01] Speaker 2: to be something.
[42:01] Speaker 1: You're going to have to listen to that one early
[42:03] Speaker 1: because game three. I mean, what do you think that
[42:07] Speaker 1: atmosphere is going to be like?
[42:09] Speaker 2: Dude, I hate that you live so far because otherwise
[42:12] Speaker 2: I'd be like, yo, let's just go hang out. around
[42:15] Speaker 2: the arena from like i mean i don't it's it's
[42:17] Speaker 2: on a monday i'm in the city i can yeah
[42:19] Speaker 2: i feel like from like okay because you got off
[42:20] Speaker 2: working like six yeah i feel like it like like
[42:23] Speaker 2: from like six to seven or 7 30 we should
[42:26] Speaker 2: just go post up around 33rd street on 7th avenue
[42:30] Speaker 2: and just see the people.
[42:31] Speaker 1: I'm down yeah i'm available uh yeah and then listen
[42:36] Speaker 1: i got listen man i got I'm not on the
[42:39] Speaker 1: air until 5 p.m., so I'll come people watch with
[42:43] Speaker 1: you and then watch Game 3 somewhere.
[42:44] Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah, yeah, I figured it out. You
[42:48] Speaker 2: know we're not watching Game 3 amongst the populace, right? No, no.
[42:52] Speaker 2: We will talk about it.
[42:53] Speaker 1: Go to your place, go to Nick's, wherever. It's a
[42:57] Speaker 1: social experiment, what's going to be happening in this city.
[43:02] Speaker 1: I am not terribly interested in going outside of Madison
[43:05] Speaker 1: Square Garden after the games, though.
[43:07] Speaker 6: No.
[43:08] Speaker 1: Know that i am not before the games i'm fine
[43:12] Speaker 1: after the games that's for the young.
[43:13] Speaker 2: People yo let me tell you what i saw the
[43:15] Speaker 2: news last night after uh game one so i kept
[43:18] Speaker 2: it all on uh channel seven right and you know
[43:22] Speaker 2: they got the people sometimes it's interesting to remember that
[43:25] Speaker 2: new york is just like everybody else which is to
[43:27] Speaker 2: say something like this happens the local news sends people
[43:30] Speaker 2: to locations just to get shots of fans and hey
[43:32] Speaker 2: make noise when the camera comes on or whatever right
[43:35] Speaker 2: So they do that. And it's a middle aged black dude,
[43:38] Speaker 2: gray hair. I think he's probably in his early 50s,
[43:40] Speaker 2: if I had to guess. And he's down there and
[43:44] Speaker 2: he's got his shot with his Knicks fans. It's like
[43:46] Speaker 2: a couple of cats and yarmulkes. You know what I'm saying?
[43:48] Speaker 2: Like it's the it's a full gamut of Knicks fans
[43:52] Speaker 2: who would go to San Antonio for this game. but
[43:55] Speaker 2: it's two Spurs fans who are drunk and refuse to
[43:58] Speaker 2: get out of the shot. They're just standing there being jerks.
[44:01] Speaker 2: They're on TV. Yeah, right. Not even TV that they're
[44:04] Speaker 2: going to watch, right? It's TV in New York City.
[44:08] Speaker 2: And so one of them, the guy's like, hey, man,
[44:09] Speaker 2: come on, man, don't do that, man. Like the reporter
[44:11] Speaker 2: is hitting them with real old black man. Hey, come on, man.
[44:15] Speaker 2: Get out of get out of the way, man. Another
[44:17] Speaker 2: one gets out there. He's flipping the bird while he's
[44:20] Speaker 2: on the screen. And the reporter's like, hey, what are
[44:23] Speaker 2: you doing that for, man? What are you doing that for?
[44:24] Speaker 1: I'm just trying to work.
[44:25] Speaker 4: Right.
[44:26] Speaker 2: Yeah. To try to push him off. And then they
[44:27] Speaker 2: have to, like, cut it and then go back because
[44:29] Speaker 2: it was just it had just gotten to be so
[44:31] Speaker 2: ridiculous out there. But I was just like, oh, yeah,
[44:33] Speaker 2: like these are the things that happen. And it's funny
[44:36] Speaker 2: because you live in New York long enough. You don't
[44:39] Speaker 2: put up with nothing. I had to cut somebody out
[44:41] Speaker 2: at a taco spot on a Tuesday night. What happened?
[44:48] Speaker 2: The details aren't that important. Well, I will tell you
[44:53] Speaker 2: the details after the show. But the bottom line was
[44:58] Speaker 2: the dude was accusing me of doing something that I
[45:02] Speaker 2: wasn't doing.
[45:04] Speaker 1: Right.
[45:04] Speaker 2: And he was asking me to do something. He felt
[45:07] Speaker 2: like he felt like something was happening that was making
[45:09] Speaker 2: his ambiance uncomfortable, which I understood. And so he was
[45:13] Speaker 2: asking me to do something that I was actually in
[45:15] Speaker 2: the process of doing. And he says, hey, could you
[45:19] Speaker 2: da da da? And I say to him, yeah, that's
[45:23] Speaker 2: what I'm working on right now. And as I'm trying
[45:25] Speaker 2: to tell him, this is what I'm working on right now.
[45:27] Speaker 2: He keeps trying to argue with me. And I'm like, brother,
[45:31] Speaker 2: we on the same team. I'm trying to, you know,
[45:34] Speaker 2: and then he's like, well, you must have been doing
[45:36] Speaker 2: one or two things. I was like, actually, I didn't
[45:38] Speaker 2: do either of those things. And these people sitting here
[45:40] Speaker 2: will vouch for Oh, boy.
[45:42] Speaker 1: Right.
[45:42] Speaker 2: And he keeps going and he's there with his woman
[45:45] Speaker 2: and he keeps saying, you know, talking back to me.
[45:46] Speaker 2: I'm like, my man, I told you I'm working on
[45:51] Speaker 2: this and I didn't do what you said. You got
[45:54] Speaker 2: that wrong. It's cool. Just own it. How did I
[45:59] Speaker 2: get there? My man.
[46:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't like owning being wrong.
[46:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, I'm calling him my man over
[46:06] Speaker 2: and over again. Like that is a sign. If I
[46:08] Speaker 2: got to keep calling you my man, that's me self-regulating, right?
[46:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
[46:11] Speaker 2: And I keep going with it. And his woman, now
[46:13] Speaker 2: she's interjecting. Oh, boy. And I'm like, hey, I can
[46:17] Speaker 2: talk to you, okay? And she says what it is.
[46:19] Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I get you. My frustration here is
[46:22] Speaker 2: that I was working on what he was talking about.
[46:26] Speaker 2: And he just couldn't not give me time to even
[46:29] Speaker 2: tell him that I was working on it versus, you know,
[46:32] Speaker 2: any of these things. And it turned out I was
[46:35] Speaker 2: doing exactly what he wanted me to do. And I
[46:38] Speaker 2: looked dead at the dude and I said, and if
[46:41] Speaker 2: you had just shut the fuck up. There it.
[46:45] Speaker 1: Is.
[46:46] Speaker 2: It would have gotten done. I don't know if I
[46:51] Speaker 2: have ever talked to a stranger like that under those circumstances.
[46:56] Speaker 2: I was waiting for the custom out part and I
[46:58] Speaker 2: was like, there it is. Yeah, I'm at a table
[47:00] Speaker 2: with three women, by the way, none of which I
[47:02] Speaker 2: am dating or involved with in any sort of way, right?
[47:05] Speaker 2: But I'm there with, and they realize that I'm not
[47:08] Speaker 2: wrong here. Of course. But I had to hit them with,
[47:10] Speaker 2: if you would just shut the fuck up, then this
[47:12] Speaker 2: would have been taken care of. Then I look back
[47:15] Speaker 2: at his woman and I was like, hey, enjoy your tacos.
[47:18] Speaker 2: Hope you guys have a really nice day. And then
[47:20] Speaker 2: go back and then he ain't have nothing else to
[47:21] Speaker 2: say because when he got to shut the fuck up,
[47:23] Speaker 2: you know what he did? The fuck was up shut.
[47:26] Speaker 2: That's what happened.
[47:28] Speaker 1: You know, you're a non-confrontational individual.
[47:33] Speaker 2: No, I'm a nice guy.
[47:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:36] Speaker 2: It's healthy to have one of those every so often. Yeah.
[47:41] Speaker 1: Maybe not the shut the fuck up level, but like
[47:43] Speaker 1: a little bit like sometimes people just need to be checked.
[47:46] Speaker 3: Yes.
[47:48] Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey.
[47:50] Speaker 1: You're over that line. Step back over the side of
[47:52] Speaker 1: the line.
[47:52] Speaker 2: So New York has an interesting balance to me, right?
[47:55] Speaker 2: And an interesting balance in the sense that part of
[47:58] Speaker 2: living in New York is putting up with inconsiderate people
[48:02] Speaker 2: is just kind of what it is, right? Like, you
[48:03] Speaker 2: remember when that white man killed that Michael Jackson impersonator
[48:06] Speaker 2: or the dude that was on the train? Yeah. This
[48:09] Speaker 2: city's not for you, man. Like, and I'm talking about
[48:12] Speaker 2: the dude that killed him. Like, if you can't handle
[48:14] Speaker 2: a Michael Jackson impersonator, this is just not the city
[48:17] Speaker 2: for you. Any other city, I would get it if
[48:19] Speaker 2: you called a manager. We don't call the managers. over
[48:22] Speaker 2: stuff like this, right? Like we get it. But the
[48:26] Speaker 2: second it feels like someone rather than simply being inconsiderate
[48:30] Speaker 2: is being disrespectful to you, that's when it flips. People
[48:34] Speaker 2: tolerate a great deal off of you. You can play
[48:37] Speaker 2: your music on the subway with no headphones. You can
[48:40] Speaker 2: get up with your partner and start break dancing. We'll
[48:43] Speaker 2: live with it all. But if you lean on me
[48:46] Speaker 2: too much, hey man, get the fuck off of me, dawg.
[48:49] Speaker 1: And I've seen New Yorkers also come to the defense
[48:52] Speaker 1: of people. Like if the break dancer was like bumping
[48:55] Speaker 1: into an old woman, like three people will come over
[48:58] Speaker 1: and be like, Hey man, like, you know, they are
[49:01] Speaker 1: inconsiderate until there is someone to be considerate on the
[49:05] Speaker 1: behalf of, and they'll normally do a pretty good job.
[49:07] Speaker 2: So the city regulates itself. And the threshold for this
[49:11] Speaker 2: becoming a fight is very high. Oh yeah. The threshold
[49:15] Speaker 2: for becoming a fight is much lower in other places.
[49:20] Speaker 1: No, New Yorkers have a high tolerance for nonsense and
[49:26] Speaker 1: then a willingness to rally to a cause.
[49:29] Speaker 2: Yes. I would say. Voltron is always this close. Yeah, absolutely.
[49:36] Speaker 2: Because everyone's doing their own thing.
[49:40] Speaker 1: While simultaneously aware of everything.
[49:42] Speaker 2: Yes.
[49:43] Speaker 1: Cause you're, cause it's like people are comparing themselves to
[49:45] Speaker 1: other people. How nice is your watch?
[49:46] Speaker 2: How much money do you have?
[49:48] Speaker 1: Is this person going to potentially fight me or stab
[49:50] Speaker 1: me or say, or try to sell me something. So
[49:53] Speaker 1: like you're in your own thing, but then you're aware
[49:54] Speaker 1: of everything.
[49:55] Speaker 2: So yeah, the, the, the hive can move pretty quickly.
[49:57] Speaker 1: It's a fat, it's a, it's an ecosystem of a place.
[49:59] Speaker 2: It really is. Okay.
[50:01] Speaker 1: Right.
[50:01] Speaker 2: Fast. Cause I know you got a hard out. No,
[50:03] Speaker 2: I mean, I got a few minutes. Okay. Russell Wilson
[50:06] Speaker 2: just retired. He's going to be on CBS. Um, None
[50:09] Speaker 2: of us have any idea how that's going to go.
[50:11] Speaker 2: Anything is on the board with that guy. Is Russell
[50:15] Speaker 2: Wilson a Hall of Famer to you? He is not.
[50:19] Speaker 1: And I know, I think I remember you are on
[50:23] Speaker 1: the other side of that. I am on the other
[50:24] Speaker 1: side of things.
[50:25] Speaker 2: Let me ask this question before I ask why is
[50:28] Speaker 2: he not a Hall of Famer. I can give you
[50:30] Speaker 2: the case, but go ahead. Do you have Matthew Stafford
[50:33] Speaker 2: as a Hall of Famer? I do. I'm just trying
[50:37] Speaker 2: to figure out all those years when Matthew Stafford was
[50:40] Speaker 2: not being voted to Pro Bowls and Russell Wilson was,
[50:43] Speaker 2: what was happening that all that matters is the last
[50:47] Speaker 2: five years?
[50:47] Speaker 1: I think that that is totally fair. I do think
[50:50] Speaker 1: the counting stats for Stafford outweigh it. I don't have
[50:54] Speaker 1: Stafford's in front of me. I don't give a shit
[50:57] Speaker 1: about Pro Bowls. Russell Wilson made a Pro Bowl two
[51:00] Speaker 1: years ago when he had 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.
[51:03] Speaker 2: Yes, but even with the bar being on the floor,
[51:08] Speaker 2: they've only sent Matthew Stafford there three times.
[51:12] Speaker 1: Fair enough. When I hear Russell Wilson's Hall of Fame case,
[51:19] Speaker 1: too often I hear 10-time Pro Bowler, and Walter Payton
[51:24] Speaker 1: Man of the Year.
[51:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody saying that. And I just, I'm like, I don't.
[51:29] Speaker 4: I don't care about, like, the Walter Payton Man of
[51:31] Speaker 4: the Year, like, listen, I'm a Chicagoan, I obviously, like,
[51:34] Speaker 4: respect the Walter Payton story, whatever, but, like, I don't
[51:37] Speaker 4: care about that for the Hall of Fame.
[51:39] Speaker 2: Right.
[51:40] Speaker 1: And then, you know, he was, he was, what, one
[51:43] Speaker 1: second team All-Pro, and I, so I just, I never
[51:47] Speaker 1: looked at him as the, and.
[51:49] Speaker 2: In his Super Bowl.
[51:51] Speaker 1: He had, I believe, three passing touchdowns in three games
[51:54] Speaker 1: and one rushing touchdown. It wasn't because he was some
[51:57] Speaker 1: sort of otherworldly playoff performer. I don't even know that
[52:00] Speaker 1: you could really make an Eli Manning-ish case for him.
[52:03] Speaker 1: I just look at him as being a consistently good
[52:08] Speaker 1: to very good player.
[52:09] Speaker 2: Who won early.
[52:11] Speaker 1: And I can't really explain the total number of Pro
[52:15] Speaker 1: Bowl things. but I just feel like I saw Matt
[52:17] Speaker 1: Castle and Mitch Trubisky make a pro bowl. And I
[52:19] Speaker 1: saw Russell Wilson do it with 16 touchdowns and 11 picks.
[52:23] Speaker 1: So I don't particularly care that he made double digit
[52:25] Speaker 1: of them.
[52:25] Speaker 2: And so that's the thing with me is I don't
[52:27] Speaker 2: care that he made double digit of them necessarily. Although
[52:29] Speaker 2: 10 is a really high number. Like the pro bowls
[52:33] Speaker 2: ain't getting Jason Whitten in the hall of fame with me.
[52:35] Speaker 2: So I understand it. It is interesting that you're like
[52:38] Speaker 2: Russell Wilson did it very early. And the thing with
[52:41] Speaker 2: Stafford is it's kind of the same, except he's doing
[52:44] Speaker 2: it very late. Right? Like, So another example or point
[52:48] Speaker 2: to make on this, Matthew Stafford has, and this would
[52:51] Speaker 2: shock people, four seasons with 30 or more touchdowns. Russell
[52:54] Speaker 2: Wilson has five. Like the counting stats for Stafford are
[52:59] Speaker 2: overwhelming in large part because of having a buttload of attempts.
[53:03] Speaker 2: But somewhere along the way, we just decided Matthew Stafford
[53:05] Speaker 2: was a Hall of Famer and then it went bad
[53:07] Speaker 2: for Russell Wilson and we decided he's not. Like, well,
[53:09] Speaker 2: Russell reminds me of to a degree, though they're not
[53:11] Speaker 2: analogous players completely. is Andrew Jones fell off the cliff
[53:15] Speaker 2: at about 31 or 32 in baseball, and he finally
[53:18] Speaker 2: made it in, but then being the greatest center fielder
[53:20] Speaker 2: of all time and having 400 home runs somehow didn't
[53:23] Speaker 2: matter because what we saw at the end is what
[53:26] Speaker 2: marred it. And I think that's what's happened to Russell Wilson,
[53:30] Speaker 2: and I don't believe you can play your way out
[53:31] Speaker 2: of a Hall of Fame. And I think that's a
[53:34] Speaker 2: demerit that he has received from a lot of people. Now,
[53:37] Speaker 2: I don't think he's an inner circle Hall of Famer.
[53:39] Speaker 2: I think that even if he got in, he'd be
[53:41] Speaker 2: a guy that's going to need to wait and we
[53:43] Speaker 2: get some votes. Like, Stafford's going to have to wait
[53:45] Speaker 2: for some votes. Although I think people have just decided
[53:48] Speaker 2: that they're going to do this shit. I just can't.
[53:52] Speaker 1: So you say attempts, like, isn't there something to the
[53:55] Speaker 1: trusting the talent to throw that?
[53:57] Speaker 2: I mean, Stafford has.
[53:58] Speaker 1: 64,000 career yards and 423 career touchdowns.
[54:03] Speaker 2: Yes.
[54:04] Speaker 1: 47,000 for Russ and 353. I mean, that is a
[54:08] Speaker 1: significant count. Call them counting stats, call them later on
[54:12] Speaker 1: the lines and it's garbage time yards. Like that, 17,000 yards,
[54:16] Speaker 1: it's significant.
[54:17] Speaker 2: I think there is something. Also, let's not forget Stafford
[54:19] Speaker 2: played three years longer. I do think that there is
[54:23] Speaker 2: something to that. I think the most interesting thing, by comparison,
[54:26] Speaker 2: if you're looking statistically, is that Matthew Stafford with that
[54:29] Speaker 2: big arm and everything else, 7.4 yards per attempt for
[54:32] Speaker 2: a career, and Russell Wilson, 7.7. The part where I
[54:36] Speaker 2: think that Russell does not get enough credit is that
[54:39] Speaker 2: I greatly value quarterbacks who get the ball down the field.
[54:42] Speaker 2: Stafford can do all the trick throws and everything else.
[54:45] Speaker 2: Russell can get the ball down the field. The other
[54:46] Speaker 2: problem with Russell obviously is the sacks. But Matthew Stafford
[54:51] Speaker 2: was also a guy at points that took a gazillion. Yes,
[54:54] Speaker 2: I'm bringing everything back to Stafford forever for those of
[54:56] Speaker 2: you who listen to this show.
[54:57] Speaker 1: I get it.
[54:57] Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a very long time. But
[55:02] Speaker 2: I wonder if... I think that a day will come
[55:05] Speaker 2: where Russell Wilson makes the Hall of Fame. I do
[55:08] Speaker 2: think a pile on began... that first year that he
[55:11] Speaker 2: got to Denver and he never recovered from it.
[55:15] Speaker 1: And don't, what do you put into the fact that,
[55:17] Speaker 1: and again, I only have a couple more, but like
[55:20] Speaker 1: some of his teammates openly say that he shouldn't be.
[55:23] Speaker 2: It's the wildest thing. It's the, it's the wildest thing, man.
[55:28] Speaker 2: I also wonder this too, man. I just wonder if
[55:30] Speaker 2: they hate him. Cause he got it. He pulled that
[55:32] Speaker 2: bad one to none of us ever thought he would. I, I, that.
[55:36] Speaker 1: Is on the board of possibilities. I have no, I
[55:39] Speaker 1: don't have a better theory than that. But it is
[55:41] Speaker 1: wild to see, like, Richard Sherman out there talking about him.
[55:44] Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know.
[55:45] Speaker 2: He was your quarterback when you won. Yeah, yeah. They
[55:48] Speaker 2: are being ridiculously unbiased. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't
[55:54] Speaker 2: think he's going to be that unbiased about Cam Chancellor's
[55:56] Speaker 2: Hall of Fame case.
[55:57] Speaker 1: No.
[55:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[55:59] Speaker 1: So, like, that would be an amazing thing. Because I
[56:02] Speaker 1: am very skeptical of him as an analyst. But that
[56:05] Speaker 1: would be incredible if he just was, like, vengeful. and
[56:08] Speaker 1: he just came out and started talking bad about everyone
[56:11] Speaker 1: that had talked bad about him, that would be compelling theater.
[56:14] Speaker 2: Man, what a time, man. But hey, Danny Park, let's
[56:16] Speaker 2: check him out. First things first, FS1. And again, congratulations
[56:20] Speaker 2: to Danny Park. He's raised $ 800, 000. Was it Cubs for
[56:23] Speaker 2: the Cure? Yep, Cubs for a Cure, $ 805, 000.
[56:26] Speaker 1: Thank you for your financial support. Thank you for connecting
[56:30] Speaker 1: me with your buddy Mike Smith, who has become a
[56:33] Speaker 1: buddy of mine, who was fantastic during the broadcast. Thank
[56:35] Speaker 1: you for amplifying it. Really appreciate you, Bo. And yeah, man,
[56:39] Speaker 1: super successful. 750 last year, 540 the year before, 805
[56:44] Speaker 1: this year.
[56:45] Speaker 2: So, you know, we're growing this thing year by year.
[56:47] Speaker 2: I tell you this, I need to prepare in advance
[56:48] Speaker 2: for it, too, because like now I understand how things
[56:50] Speaker 2: go with rich people. Like I had planned to make
[56:52] Speaker 2: my donation and then I look up and Nick Wright
[56:55] Speaker 2: is giving you five thousand dollars. And I'm like, shit,
[56:57] Speaker 2: I got to keep up next year. I just I'm
[56:59] Speaker 2: not really prepared. to do anything like that you know
[57:03] Speaker 2: now granted no matter where no matter where we go
[57:05] Speaker 2: nick's gonna spend more money than me no doubt even
[57:07] Speaker 2: still like but the charity is like shit okay yeah
[57:11] Speaker 2: nick throws it around he's very generous and he knows
[57:14] Speaker 2: he's also paying a little bit of a best friend
[57:16] Speaker 2: tax there hey brother i appreciate you appreciate you bro
[57:20] Speaker 2: all right man ladies and gentlemen thanks so much for
[57:22] Speaker 2: joining us here on the right time we do this
[57:24] Speaker 2: four days a week Ryan Brumley handles everything behind the scenes.
[57:27] Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Hit the voicemail line 323-596-7767. Remember, follow
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