# Diante Lee on Eagles' ongoing issues, Jaguars' Travis Hunter Mistake, Lions vs. Baker Mayfield | 10.17

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 17 Oct 2025, 56 min.

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Diante Lee of The Ringer joins Bomani Jones to discuss an upcoming week 7 of NFL action. First, they break down the ongoing issues with the Philadelphia Eagles ahead of their matchup with the Minnesota Vikings. Later, they discuss how NFL coaches never know when to fire their coaches and if it is time to believe in Daniel Jones and the Indianapolis Colts. Finally, they talk about how Travis Hunter needs to pick a position, and if Baker can keep his great season vs. the Lions on Monday Night Football. 00:00 - Introduction 05:30 - Eagles keep struggling 12:30 - If you draft a QB, fire your coach! 28:30 - Believe in Daniel Jones? 34:30 - Travis Hunter needs to pick a side 45:12 - Lions vs. Bucs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:18] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:20] Speaker 1: a hater. It is Deontay Lee Friday. Deontay Lee of
[0:24] Speaker 1: the Ranga by popular demand has returned.
[0:26] Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
[0:28] Speaker 3: Listen, I like Dominique. I don't need Dominique running down
[0:31] Speaker 3: my back. I'm not trying to take your corners, brother.
[0:34] Speaker 1: Dominique gave that corner away, brother. We ain't trying to
[0:37] Speaker 1: hear that shit from him. It is a rotating corner now.
[0:42] Speaker 1: This is what it is. I also hadn't really noticed
[0:44] Speaker 1: the last time you wanted these persistent hairline cats.
[0:49] Speaker 2: That's... Look, I.
[0:51] Speaker 3: Try to keep it up as much as possible. The
[0:53] Speaker 3: way I look at it is my barbershop is across
[0:55] Speaker 3: the street from where I live. I really don't have
[0:57] Speaker 3: an excuse not to be there other than the fact
[0:59] Speaker 3: that these prices is going up. I got to budget
[1:02] Speaker 3: it properly, but I try to get in as often.
[1:04] Speaker 1: As I can.
[1:04] Speaker 2: What haircut hit 40 days? I honestly have no idea.
[1:07] Speaker 3: I'm a San Diego native, so we're very competitive with
[1:10] Speaker 3: where market rates are at. I would say this probably
[1:13] Speaker 3: runs me about $ 60 before I get to tip if
[1:16] Speaker 3: I do full head plus hairline.
[1:18] Speaker 2: A haircut costs... 60.
[1:20] Speaker 3: 60. Yeah.
[1:24] Speaker 1: I really don't understand how it don't look like the
[1:27] Speaker 1: 95 Bulls outside. The 99 Pacers.
[1:31] Speaker 2: I don't really get that.
[1:32] Speaker 3: Due to knowledge. That's what I.
[1:36] Speaker 1: Was about to say. That's what I was about to say.
[1:38] Speaker 1: We all out here. Fredro changed the world. And for
[1:42] Speaker 1: those who have not seen that clip, that is the
[1:44] Speaker 1: funniest thing in the world. When Fredro Starr swears up
[1:46] Speaker 1: and down that Michael Jordan shaved his head.
[1:49] Speaker 2: Because of Onyx. Because of Onyx. Yo, crazy things have happened.
[1:54] Speaker 1: I'm going to pull this up on my phone and
[1:56] Speaker 1: play the audio here. I don't know if you have
[2:00] Speaker 1: seen this, but you do some high school football coaching.
[2:03] Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about this because I
[2:04] Speaker 1: talked about it a little last week. But good for
[2:07] Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals for playing a pretty good game last week.
[2:11] Speaker 1: But at the same time, I took the fact that
[2:14] Speaker 1: he got fined $ 100, 000 as a sign that I don't
[2:17] Speaker 1: know how long this thing is going to hold up.
[2:19] Speaker 2: That they've got going there. Like, what did you think.
[2:21] Speaker 1: As coach of seeing, once we realized that he has
[2:24] Speaker 1: put his hands on that grown man in that way?
[2:27] Speaker 3: I think that, like everybody, the first thought is like, damn,
[2:30] Speaker 3: 100 racks is a lot. That's a lot for a
[2:33] Speaker 3: coach's fine, for what seemed to just be a guy
[2:36] Speaker 3: being very heated in the moment. But then the moment
[2:38] Speaker 3: I got out of that and I started thinking, what
[2:41] Speaker 3: is he like in the building? That when that happened,
[2:44] Speaker 3: his GM... or his assistants, or the owner, looked and said,
[2:48] Speaker 3: all right, we have now crossed the threshold. Homeboy has
[2:51] Speaker 3: been pushing this line maybe a little bit too far,
[2:53] Speaker 3: and we have crossed it, and now we've got to
[2:55] Speaker 3: start dialing this thing back. So I'm with you. I'm
[2:58] Speaker 3: with you on that. I don't know how much longer
[3:00] Speaker 3: we got on this.
[3:01] Speaker 2: Would you like an idea, apparently, of what kind of
[3:03] Speaker 2: guy he is?
[3:04] Speaker 1: This is audio from his press availability this week, and
[3:09] Speaker 1: I was not aware that Jonathan Gannon had been an
[3:12] Speaker 1: assistant coach on the 2007 season.
[3:14] Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons.
[3:16] Speaker 1: And this is how I found out he had been.
[3:19] Speaker 1: 2007 when our quarterback went to jail. 2007.
[3:43] Speaker 2: When the quarterback went to jail.
[3:46] Speaker 3: There's nothing better than somebody being at a press conference
[3:50] Speaker 3: and giving an answer that makes everybody in the press
[3:53] Speaker 3: just sit with what they just heard. That silence was palpable.
[3:57] Speaker 1: So here's the thing about it, and this is what
[3:59] Speaker 1: tells me what it's like to be around him, or
[4:01] Speaker 1: at least what it's like to be around him that day, right?
[4:05] Speaker 1: There are many ways to have given that exact same answer. Like, well,
[4:08] Speaker 1: you know, when I first got to the NFL, we
[4:10] Speaker 1: wound up in a situation with the Falcons where we
[4:12] Speaker 1: had the Michael Vick situation, which obviously was a tragedy. But,
[4:16] Speaker 1: you know, you realize at that moment, hey, sometimes you're
[4:18] Speaker 1: not going to have guys. Sometimes things just aren't going to.
[4:20] Speaker 2: Go the way.
[4:21] Speaker 1: He could have very easily said that. That's... That's what
[4:25] Speaker 1: he said, but it ain't how he said it.
[4:27] Speaker 3: You could have just said early in my coaching career. Okay.
[4:31] Speaker 3: Been through adversity as a coach. Had things happen that
[4:34] Speaker 3: were out of my control. You don't have to call
[4:37] Speaker 3: back to that specific memory in that way.
[4:39] Speaker 2: He did have to call back because that was the
[4:41] Speaker 2: exact moment.
[4:43] Speaker 1: He knew exactly when he realized he had to stop
[4:47] Speaker 1: doing that. When he got a call that the whole
[4:50] Speaker 1: reason that he took the job was going to jail. Right.
[4:54] Speaker 3: And I can only imagine because he got to start
[4:56] Speaker 3: with Petrino at Louisville. I can only imagine what those
[4:59] Speaker 3: conversations were like.
[5:00] Speaker 2: Like, hey, man.
[5:01] Speaker 3: I want to build a life some way or, you know,
[5:03] Speaker 3: he might have had a significant other at this time.
[5:05] Speaker 3: I got to go home and tell my wife or
[5:07] Speaker 3: my girlfriend that the whole reason why I'm getting paid
[5:10] Speaker 3: is about to be behind bars.
[5:11] Speaker 1: I mean, you've made the fraught decision to hitch your
[5:14] Speaker 1: wagon to a man as untrustworthy as Bobby Petrito.
[5:17] Speaker 3: Yes, to begin with.
[5:18] Speaker 2: Then this happens. Oh, my goodness.
[5:21] Speaker 3: But all right.
[5:21] Speaker 1: We got us a week of NFL football that, you know.
[5:25] Speaker 2: We're in our bi-week era, right? This is where we are.
[5:29] Speaker 1: I feel in a lot of ways like it's hard
[5:33] Speaker 1: not to do a lot of rewind on this season
[5:36] Speaker 1: because we don't have great teams. But I do think
[5:39] Speaker 1: we have interesting teams. And I want to stop talking
[5:43] Speaker 1: about the Eagles. I really, really do. But it never
[5:47] Speaker 1: stops being totally fascinating what's going on here. So now
[5:51] Speaker 1: they've got this game here against Minnesota and.
[5:56] Speaker 2: If they go to four.
[5:56] Speaker 3: And three, you cannot lose this football game.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Even on the road?
[6:02] Speaker 3: You cannot lose this football game because it don't seem
[6:04] Speaker 3: like J.J. McCarthy is going to play. I know he's
[6:06] Speaker 3: been limited in practice. So you're looking at Carson Wentz,
[6:09] Speaker 3: a guy that you quickly jettisoned out the door when
[6:12] Speaker 3: it was time. And you've got your quarterback who's struggling
[6:15] Speaker 3: in your offense that's struggling. You cannot afford to lose
[6:19] Speaker 3: this football game. We haven't even gotten to the fact
[6:24] Speaker 3: that every time I hear the wide receiver come to
[6:26] Speaker 3: the press conference, it sounds like he's talking with clenched
[6:28] Speaker 3: fists and gritted teeth.
[6:31] Speaker 2: That's just one of them.
[6:33] Speaker 3: That's just one of them. That's the one who's willing
[6:35] Speaker 3: to say it publicly. The other one is a little
[6:37] Speaker 3: bit better at finessing his way through. He's got the
[6:40] Speaker 3: Nick Saban media training, so he knows how to kind
[6:42] Speaker 3: of talk around his situations in Devontae Smith. And then
[6:46] Speaker 3: I'm looking at the head coach and the offensive coordinator,
[6:48] Speaker 3: and I know that you've said this multiple times. I'm
[6:50] Speaker 3: looking like, hey, man, what do you do here?
[6:52] Speaker 2: What do you do?
[6:55] Speaker 3: If this is what you're dealing with, why is this
[6:56] Speaker 3: problem not fixed? You don't call plays. You're not one
[6:59] Speaker 3: of these Shanahan guys. You're not a coach GM type.
[7:02] Speaker 3: We know who runs the roster here. The owner is
[7:04] Speaker 3: the one who was given all the directives. Your job
[7:07] Speaker 3: specifically is to make sure there are smiles on the
[7:09] Speaker 3: faces of the 53 guys in the locker room.
[7:11] Speaker 2: You say he's supposed to bring the oranges.
[7:14] Speaker 3: You the vibes guy. You're supposed to be the vibes guy.
[7:17] Speaker 3: And that's what he was sold as in the first place.
[7:19] Speaker 3: When he got hired, he was wearing the graphic tees
[7:21] Speaker 3: with Rocky and the Sixers and all this stuff, and
[7:24] Speaker 3: everybody was feeling great. And now all we've got are
[7:27] Speaker 3: shaved heads when things go sideways and a bunch of
[7:30] Speaker 3: sucking your teeth and rolling eyes and not wanting to
[7:34] Speaker 3: admit to the fact that you might have made a
[7:35] Speaker 3: mistake by hiring your buddy to call this offense.
[7:38] Speaker 1: Well, let's also think about this, right? There there's so
[7:45] Speaker 1: many ways to view what is going on with this team. And,
[7:49] Speaker 1: you know, one of them is obviously I think it's
[7:51] Speaker 1: interesting with Jalen Hurts where Jalen Hurts gives you a
[7:54] Speaker 1: turbo booster if everything else is going right. And then
[7:58] Speaker 1: if not everything else is going right, there's a chance
[8:01] Speaker 1: that he becomes what is not going right. I think
[8:08] Speaker 1: something that is very interesting that happens to us with
[8:10] Speaker 1: football teams is we act like. we've never watched football before.
[8:16] Speaker 1: And that there isn't a measure of variance from year
[8:19] Speaker 1: to year. So remember when the Bucks won that Super
[8:21] Speaker 1: Bowl in the COVID year, and then we kept talking
[8:24] Speaker 1: about it like a college.
[8:25] Speaker 2: Team, they're bringing back 22 starters. Are you sure that
[8:28] Speaker 2: you want to have all 22 back? Right? Like, is
[8:31] Speaker 2: that what it is?
[8:32] Speaker 1: The changes you do and the changes you don't make
[8:34] Speaker 1: are so much more important. But when the coach is
[8:38] Speaker 1: the vibes guy, And the quarterback, clearly, who is a
[8:42] Speaker 1: coach's son, is looking at the vibes guy like, hey, man,
[8:47] Speaker 1: this ain't no real coaching. Like, say what you want
[8:49] Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts. We always say we love the coach's son,
[8:53] Speaker 1: but the coach's son is a tough audience.
[8:55] Speaker 2: Tough, tough audience.
[8:57] Speaker 1: It's like being the quarterback's son. Being Peyton Manning's coach
[9:00] Speaker 1: was not an easy job.
[9:01] Speaker 2: That's a really tough audience.
[9:04] Speaker 3: This is also another guy who comes from the Nick
[9:06] Speaker 3: Saban school and he doesn't seem to be the guy
[9:08] Speaker 3: that I'm just here to work hard and go home.
[9:10] Speaker 3: Obviously that's a part of his thing. He also seems
[9:13] Speaker 3: like the Nick Saban guy in the sense that if
[9:15] Speaker 3: something's wrong, you're going to know. Yes. And when he
[9:18] Speaker 3: shows up, at these press conferences, it always sounds like,
[9:21] Speaker 3: oh yeah, we talked and we seem to come to
[9:23] Speaker 3: an understanding. And I always hear that as Jalen Hurts
[9:26] Speaker 3: is going into office saying, this is what I want
[9:28] Speaker 3: to do. Can we make that happen? And less like
[9:31] Speaker 3: Kevin Petullo saying, this is the game plan for the week.
[9:34] Speaker 3: And I think that even with that, that's causing other
[9:36] Speaker 3: layers of issues as well, because now your wide receivers
[9:39] Speaker 3: feel like they're not getting enough opportunities. And, you know,
[9:42] Speaker 3: I know I'm not the only person to make this comparison,
[9:44] Speaker 3: but I look at Jalen and I think of him
[9:46] Speaker 3: as Russell Wilson in a lot of ways, right? He
[9:48] Speaker 3: might not be as weird or quirky at this stage
[9:52] Speaker 3: in his career, but it's very much whatever is happening
[9:55] Speaker 3: on the field is a direct result of what he
[9:57] Speaker 3: wants as a quarterback. And I don't know right now
[9:59] Speaker 3: if that's what's serving the best interest of this team.
[10:02] Speaker 1: The other thing about this team is, for reasons good
[10:04] Speaker 1: and bad, it's just always a new coordinator. They fire coordinators.
[10:08] Speaker 1: They've had coordinators go on to get better jobs. Like,
[10:11] Speaker 1: nothing is ever the same with this team. The Sirianni
[10:14] Speaker 1: era has been a rollercoaster, unlike any rollercoaster I believe
[10:17] Speaker 1: that I have ever seen.
[10:19] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[10:20] Speaker 3: I've never seen a team this good have this many problems,
[10:22] Speaker 3: this many headaches on a year-to-year basis. And I think that,
[10:26] Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard Lane Johnson after the
[10:28] Speaker 3: Thursday night game, speaking with Josina Anderson, and he sounds, A,
[10:33] Speaker 3: like a guy who's very tired, right? And very annoyed
[10:36] Speaker 3: when things go wrong, for one. But past that, he
[10:40] Speaker 3: is another guy who's willing to say, we're too predictable.
[10:43] Speaker 3: I need my head coach to kind of take the
[10:46] Speaker 3: reins of this because he should know what it takes
[10:48] Speaker 3: to win. He should know how to develop an offensive
[10:51] Speaker 3: coordinator because these guys have shuffled in and out. And
[10:54] Speaker 3: where we need to go to get back to what
[10:56] Speaker 3: it was in 2022, 2023, in the back half of 2024,
[10:59] Speaker 3: when this offense was moving the ball and the fact
[11:02] Speaker 3: that it's not and guys seem to be a little
[11:04] Speaker 3: angsty and people are banged up. I don't know if
[11:07] Speaker 3: you guys have noticed that they can't really run the
[11:09] Speaker 3: ball no more. I don't think the Saquon Barkley stopped
[11:11] Speaker 3: being fast. I think that The big guys up front
[11:14] Speaker 3: have 550 snaps of running the ball and touch pushes
[11:19] Speaker 3: on their body, and they look like it a little bit.
[11:21] Speaker 3: And if he's not there and that line's not there
[11:24] Speaker 3: the way it needs to be, we are running out
[11:26] Speaker 3: of options for this offense to be as good as
[11:27] Speaker 3: it should be.
[11:27] Speaker 2: Hold on.
[11:28] Speaker 1: What if two things are true at once? Because I
[11:30] Speaker 1: did think that Mekhi Becton at right guard is a
[11:33] Speaker 1: cheat code for run blocking.
[11:35] Speaker 3: 100%. Right?
[11:36] Speaker 2: And they don't have that anymore.
[11:37] Speaker 1: But also— Saquon Barkley is not young for a running back.
[11:42] Speaker 1: And that was a lot of yards and a lot
[11:44] Speaker 1: of touches last year. Like this is again, we act
[11:47] Speaker 1: like we've never watched football before, right? These, these things
[11:51] Speaker 1: happen from time to time. So he might be fast,
[11:53] Speaker 1: but the margins are thin.
[11:55] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, like what it takes to.
[11:57] Speaker 1: Be that guy. Like, I feel like a 2000 yard season.
[12:00] Speaker 1: One of my buddies told me about making music that
[12:04] Speaker 1: the DOC.
[12:04] Speaker 2: Once told him.
[12:06] Speaker 1: That to make a classic album, three people have to
[12:08] Speaker 1: be operating at top of their game, like at a
[12:11] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level to do a classic album.
[12:14] Speaker 2: I feel like a 2,000-yard.
[12:15] Speaker 1: Rushing season involves a similar level of everything coming up Milhouse, right?
[12:23] Speaker 3: For sure.
[12:23] Speaker 2: And a couple of those things are off.
[12:25] Speaker 1: But I just realized the thing I wanted to talk
[12:27] Speaker 1: to you about that's a bit broader that I think
[12:29] Speaker 1: is interesting. Ryan and I had been looking at this,
[12:31] Speaker 1: and I am blindsiding you with this to a degree.
[12:34] Speaker 1: But did you see the thing that ESPN did where
[12:36] Speaker 1: they were just basically looking at how all these number
[12:39] Speaker 1: one picks at quarterback, the next year their head coaches
[12:42] Speaker 1: have all been fired?
[12:43] Speaker 3: I think I've seen a tweet about it. I have
[12:46] Speaker 3: seen a tweet about that. And I know that this
[12:48] Speaker 3: has been a conversation that you've had on this show
[12:50] Speaker 3: a bunch about needing to be a little bit more
[12:52] Speaker 3: mindful that these guys don't leave college ready to lead
[12:55] Speaker 3: a franchise that was bad the year before they got there.
[12:58] Speaker 3: And that these teams, for whatever reason, bring these head
[13:01] Speaker 3: coaches on from one year to the next knowing that
[13:04] Speaker 3: they don't have the juice and hoping that a rookie
[13:06] Speaker 3: quarterback is going to save everybody's job. And when it
[13:09] Speaker 3: doesn't go right, now we are starting all over. And,
[13:12] Speaker 3: you know, Tennessee obviously being the most recent example, but
[13:15] Speaker 3: we have seen this over the last decade really of
[13:18] Speaker 3: teams hiring quarter, or excuse me, drafting quarterbacks with dead,
[13:22] Speaker 3: you know, kind of lame duck head coaches and expecting
[13:24] Speaker 3: everything to work out and then being shocked when it
[13:26] Speaker 3: does not.
[13:27] Speaker 1: So I had an interesting thought when I saw this.
[13:29] Speaker 1: So for example, Jameis Winston said, They fired the head coach.
[13:33] Speaker 2: The year after that.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Jarrett Goff, they fired the head coach the year after that.
[13:39] Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, I believe they fired the head coach the
[13:42] Speaker 1: same year. Kyler Murray, they hired the coach specifically for him.
[13:49] Speaker 2: Put a pin in that thought. Trevor Lawrence, they fired
[13:54] Speaker 2: his guy. Joe Burrow... No, they've kept his guy for
[13:58] Speaker 2: better or worse. For better or worse, they have kept
[14:02] Speaker 2: his guy.
[14:04] Speaker 1: Ken Ward, they just fired his guy. Who was the
[14:06] Speaker 1: number one pick last year? Because I feel like they
[14:08] Speaker 1: fired his guy.
[14:10] Speaker 3: Caleb Williams.
[14:10] Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They fired his guy quick.
[14:13] Speaker 1: And then the year before that was Bryce Young, and
[14:15] Speaker 1: they fired his guy quick. My thought is this. If
[14:21] Speaker 1: you're going to get the rookie quarterback position, you probably
[14:25] Speaker 1: should go ahead and fire your coach now. And the
[14:28] Speaker 1: reason you should probably fire your coach now is you're
[14:31] Speaker 1: probably going to fire your coach because you're probably bad
[14:35] Speaker 1: enough that you're already behind the eight ball and that
[14:39] Speaker 1: rookie is not going to save you.
[14:41] Speaker 2: And they're going to be like, oh, we got it.
[14:43] Speaker 2: Once the ball gets rolling on firing you, then that
[14:45] Speaker 2: ball just kind of doesn't stop. Because I actually go
[14:48] Speaker 2: through that list and.
[14:49] Speaker 1: I realize, oh, this is what happens when we don't
[14:51] Speaker 1: offer context. Case in point, they fired Jameis' head coach
[14:57] Speaker 1: in the name of continuity because it's so crazy to
[15:00] Speaker 1: look back on. They were afraid that somebody was going
[15:02] Speaker 1: to hire Dirk Cutter and they had to have him
[15:05] Speaker 1: with Jameis. And so they kept Dirk Cutter and then...
[15:09] Speaker 1: fired him a couple years shortly thereafter right yeah jerry
[15:15] Speaker 1: goff yes they fired his coach the first year but
[15:17] Speaker 1: his coach was oh boy it was fitty fitty jeff
[15:20] Speaker 1: fisher and who did they bring in to replace him
[15:24] Speaker 1: the best thing that could have ever happened to jerry
[15:26] Speaker 1: goff they brought in sean mcveigh that worked out okay
[15:29] Speaker 1: they fired hugh jackson on baker mayfield and then brought in,
[15:34] Speaker 1: I guess, was Stefanski got the job.
[15:37] Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot. I forgot that even.
[15:39] Speaker 3: And that was a Baker call.
[15:41] Speaker 2: It was a Baker call.
[15:42] Speaker 3: That was a Baker call.
[15:43] Speaker 2: It was a Baker call.
[15:45] Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, they made literally one of the worst head
[15:48] Speaker 1: coaching hires of all time. With Bryce Young, they thought
[15:54] Speaker 1: they were hiring a quarterback guy and.
[15:56] Speaker 2: Then immediately were like, hey, this is a horrible idea.
[15:59] Speaker 1: Which, by the way, most people who watch that team
[16:01] Speaker 1: thought that the Frank Reich thing was not going to happen.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Cato Williams, they should have fired Ivo Flusch. before the season.
[16:10] Speaker 1: Like people get a little bit too sentimental about firing people.
[16:14] Speaker 1: Sometimes you just got to do it.
[16:17] Speaker 3: When you know, you know. Right. When you know, you know.
[16:20] Speaker 3: And this most recent example with Cam Ward, I felt
[16:23] Speaker 3: like we knew this before we got to Halloween last year.
[16:26] Speaker 4: Right.
[16:26] Speaker 3: That Brian Callahan was not cut out for the gig.
[16:28] Speaker 3: Like when you're screaming at your second round quarterback that
[16:32] Speaker 3: everybody seemed to agree should not be a starter, but
[16:34] Speaker 3: you had to start because Ryan Tannehill was banged up.
[16:37] Speaker 3: And you're screaming on him for making all the same
[16:39] Speaker 3: mistakes that he was making at Kentucky. I think people
[16:41] Speaker 3: were looking around then like, hey, boss, if you can't
[16:43] Speaker 3: develop his way out of these problems and you're not
[16:46] Speaker 3: willing to accept it and this is burning you up emotionally,
[16:49] Speaker 3: this don't seem like a guy that's got the kind
[16:50] Speaker 3: of constitution to be able to handle losing in the
[16:53] Speaker 3: way that you're probably going to lose being the Tennessee
[16:56] Speaker 3: Titans at that point in time. The same was the
[17:00] Speaker 3: same was true of Iberflues, man, like. It didn't seem
[17:03] Speaker 3: like you ever had two hands on the wheel. You
[17:06] Speaker 3: knew before that season was over that he had to go.
[17:08] Speaker 3: I don't get the thinking there.
[17:10] Speaker 2: The truth is this. If it's not your guy, fire him.
[17:16] Speaker 1: If it comes to where you're at some other inflection
[17:19] Speaker 1: point of what it is that you're doing, if this
[17:22] Speaker 1: is not your guy, if you're not like, no, I
[17:26] Speaker 1: believe in him. If you're saying to yourself, we'll see.
[17:30] Speaker 1: And you're trying to turn over the quarterback.
[17:32] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[17:33] Speaker 1: You need to go ahead and do all those things
[17:36] Speaker 1: all at one time. But we were bad enough to
[17:38] Speaker 1: get the number one overall pick and we're going to
[17:41] Speaker 1: keep the coach.
[17:42] Speaker 2: There's a world for you to do that.
[17:44] Speaker 1: Like, I don't think that that's an indefensible decision, but
[17:46] Speaker 1: you need to be invested in that guy.
[17:48] Speaker 2: The problem is if the rest.
[17:51] Speaker 1: Of the team, if he, if that dude loses team,
[17:54] Speaker 1: then you wind up having to fire him.
[17:57] Speaker 2: Like, I'm not saying these are easy decisions.
[18:00] Speaker 3: But still, I think that the other problem too is
[18:03] Speaker 3: that ownership gets a little, maybe gets a little hesitant
[18:06] Speaker 3: about if we fire the coach, what does that say
[18:08] Speaker 3: about my GM?
[18:09] Speaker 4: Yes.
[18:09] Speaker 3: And I think that the truth is you should probably
[18:12] Speaker 3: be cleaning house anyways, right? This chain of events probably
[18:16] Speaker 3: doesn't have to stop at head coach. If your roster
[18:18] Speaker 3: is bad enough to get the first overall pick and
[18:21] Speaker 3: you know you're going to get a quarterback, you are
[18:23] Speaker 3: now transitioning into a different phase of roster building, right?
[18:26] Speaker 3: Everybody knows that A rookie scale quarterback is the most
[18:29] Speaker 3: valuable asset that you can have in roster building. And
[18:32] Speaker 3: why would you entrust that to a coach that couldn't
[18:34] Speaker 3: win beforehand and a GM that couldn't build a roster
[18:37] Speaker 3: good enough to keep you away from having a number
[18:39] Speaker 3: one or a top three overall pick? in the NFL draft.
[18:42] Speaker 3: I think that it would make more sense for some
[18:44] Speaker 3: of these owners to just cut bait when you know
[18:46] Speaker 3: you're bad. When you're bad, the rot usually doesn't stop
[18:49] Speaker 3: at the roster. It typically goes all the way up
[18:51] Speaker 3: through the front office as well. And I think that
[18:54] Speaker 3: we would probably see less of quarterbacks basically wasting their
[18:57] Speaker 3: rookie years because they're stuck with GMs that don't know
[19:00] Speaker 3: how to build rosters. Trevor Lawrence, I think, has definitely
[19:02] Speaker 3: been a victim of that, having to suffer through the
[19:04] Speaker 3: Trent Baalke years longer than just dealing with Urban Meyer.
[19:08] Speaker 3: I think that Caleb Williams is probably going to be
[19:10] Speaker 3: struggling with that, with Ryan Poles, who continues to find
[19:13] Speaker 3: his way to getting extensions and additional time to build
[19:16] Speaker 3: a roster in spite of not having any returns on
[19:19] Speaker 3: the players that he's bringing in, basically. And I think
[19:21] Speaker 3: that Tennessee is going to be dealing with that because
[19:23] Speaker 3: Amy Adams Strunk has shown a reactivity to being embarrassed
[19:28] Speaker 3: that you usually don't see from the kind of owners
[19:30] Speaker 3: that build up winning franchises. And sometimes you just got
[19:33] Speaker 3: to bring in different leadership, people who can let owners
[19:36] Speaker 3: know that they can build something in a different vision
[19:38] Speaker 3: around a rookie quarterback. And I think the fear to
[19:41] Speaker 3: do so is why we're losing early development on so
[19:44] Speaker 3: many of these players.
[19:45] Speaker 2: Now, I will also make this point.
[19:48] Speaker 1: Obviously, there's a giant outlier in Titans slash Oilers history,
[19:52] Speaker 1: which is the tenure of Jeff Fisher.
[19:54] Speaker 2: But let me tell you who loved a knee jerk firing.
[20:00] Speaker 2: Amy Strunk's daddy, Bud.
[20:03] Speaker 1: But Adams made some moves and let some people go
[20:06] Speaker 1: and coached teams pretty well, but also was inclined to
[20:10] Speaker 1: similar moves.
[20:10] Speaker 2: But it becomes an interesting conversation.
[20:12] Speaker 1: I think, for example, the Lions in the first year
[20:16] Speaker 1: under Campbell started 0-10-1. Say that that is a two-win
[20:20] Speaker 1: team or whatever. I believe that Sheila Hamp would have
[20:26] Speaker 1: looked at the world and said, I believe in our
[20:27] Speaker 1: head coach and we're going to do this.
[20:30] Speaker 2: Because they believed in the head coach. That's what you
[20:32] Speaker 2: got to do.
[20:33] Speaker 1: The problem Aaron Glenn is having right now with the Jets,
[20:36] Speaker 1: because they look bad. I don't think anybody can stand
[20:39] Speaker 1: up and say that they believe in him right now.
[20:42] Speaker 1: And so if something happens and they wind up getting
[20:44] Speaker 1: the first pick, you're inclined to keep Aaron Glenn because
[20:48] Speaker 1: it was just the first year, right? You're inclined to
[20:51] Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. but you're gonna need to
[20:55] Speaker 1: fire him in all likelihood.
[20:57] Speaker 3: Eventually.
[20:57] Speaker 2: Because you don't believe in him.
[20:59] Speaker 1: And it's the, if you're gonna do it eventually, you
[21:01] Speaker 1: might as well do it immediately, right? Like, I think
[21:04] Speaker 1: that that becomes, you know, kind of the case, but
[21:08] Speaker 1: we have such unrealistic expectations. of how easy it is
[21:13] Speaker 1: or is not to hire a coach, hire a GM,
[21:18] Speaker 1: bring in a quarterback. What we're learning, I feel like,
[21:22] Speaker 1: is that the growth arc of these quarterbacks is so
[21:24] Speaker 1: much longer than people give it credit for being. But
[21:27] Speaker 1: the jobs that people have, the timetables that they have
[21:30] Speaker 1: to operate on in the name of success does not
[21:32] Speaker 1: go for that. So with Baker Mayfield, for example, I'm like, oh,
[21:35] Speaker 1: the Browns were out on Baker Mayfield.
[21:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
[21:38] Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, as he was, was going to get everybody fired.
[21:43] Speaker 1: They didn't have the, hey man, just give me three
[21:46] Speaker 1: more years and I'm telling you, he might be a
[21:48] Speaker 1: candidate for the MVP.
[21:51] Speaker 2: That's not on the board.
[21:52] Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, he bounced to all these places for the
[21:54] Speaker 1: same reasons, right? Those guys' job timelines, people don't have,
[22:00] Speaker 1: and it's because.
[22:00] Speaker 2: Our expectations are so crazy.
[22:02] Speaker 1: I think about living in New York, they tell you,
[22:06] Speaker 1: you're going to need to live in like three apartments
[22:08] Speaker 1: before you find yours.
[22:10] Speaker 2: That's just how it works, right?
[22:11] Speaker 1: Like you got to get an apartment because you need
[22:13] Speaker 1: somewhere to live. You don't have time to get all
[22:16] Speaker 1: the way to the bottom of it and figure out
[22:17] Speaker 1: everything you need and everything that's important. You figure that
[22:19] Speaker 1: shit out once you in there and you find it
[22:21] Speaker 1: all out.
[22:21] Speaker 2: The hard way, right?
[22:24] Speaker 1: Like this is how it works. You get your third
[22:25] Speaker 1: place and you're like, oh, okay. Now I understand that
[22:28] Speaker 1: this is what I want. When I was hosting a
[22:32] Speaker 1: late night show for HBO, important job is head writer
[22:37] Speaker 1: and people don't understand the head writer is the manager
[22:40] Speaker 1: of the writing staff that is to relay like what
[22:42] Speaker 1: you want to them but they're kind of a black
[22:44] Speaker 1: box it goes in between them but it's a process
[22:46] Speaker 1: and they're like hey man It probably takes a couple
[22:50] Speaker 1: of three before you find the right one. I had
[22:53] Speaker 1: two that were very talented, not necessarily the one, but
[22:57] Speaker 1: you don't have time to go back to the network
[22:59] Speaker 1: and be like, hey, man, if you give me two
[23:01] Speaker 1: more choices on a head writer, I promise you this
[23:04] Speaker 1: thing is going to stink and skyrocket.
[23:06] Speaker 2: And the people I work with did great jobs. You
[23:08] Speaker 2: know what I mean? But it's like, is it exactly
[23:09] Speaker 2: what you need?
[23:11] Speaker 1: But nobody has time for you to do what is
[23:14] Speaker 1: actually prudent and realistic.
[23:16] Speaker 2: Right.
[23:17] Speaker 3: And I think that similar to playing quarterback, there is
[23:20] Speaker 3: a high bar to clear to be one of the
[23:22] Speaker 3: good guys. We're talking about coaching and GMs, but the
[23:25] Speaker 3: threshold to clear to just be a guy isn't that high.
[23:28] Speaker 4: Right.
[23:28] Speaker 3: And if you only got a guy, then, yeah, you
[23:30] Speaker 3: probably need to your turnaround rate probably needs to be
[23:32] Speaker 3: a little bit higher. But we see in the NFL
[23:34] Speaker 3: and I think that with Detroit, one of the reasons
[23:37] Speaker 3: why it worked out is because Brad Holmes and Dan
[23:39] Speaker 3: Campbell were brought in in the same offseason. So anything
[23:42] Speaker 3: you were saying that was a vote of confidence for
[23:44] Speaker 3: one applied to the other. And I think that Detroit
[23:47] Speaker 3: knew we were going to ride this out with both
[23:49] Speaker 3: of these guys, no matter what. That's a much different
[23:53] Speaker 3: proposition than what's happening in Tennessee, for example, where Mike
[23:57] Speaker 3: Borgonzi is hired last season with the lame, with the
[23:59] Speaker 3: lame duck head coach and the president of football ops
[24:02] Speaker 3: was hired the season before that. And he's been there
[24:05] Speaker 3: through multiple guys getting fired and taking jobs beneath him
[24:08] Speaker 3: on the org chart. That's the kind, I think that,
[24:12] Speaker 3: It's more of those kind of incongruencies with how you're
[24:14] Speaker 3: hiring guys and how you're handling timelines with people that
[24:18] Speaker 3: ends up being reflected on the field. Because like you said,
[24:20] Speaker 3: all these guys' jobs are usually tied to how good
[24:22] Speaker 3: the quarterback is. And everybody wants to know in two years. Yep.
[24:25] Speaker 3: You basically got two and a half years to show
[24:28] Speaker 3: us something.
[24:28] Speaker 4: Yep.
[24:28] Speaker 3: And in a lot of cases, it turns into one
[24:30] Speaker 3: and a half if your head coach is already walking
[24:32] Speaker 3: in on the hot seat. So I think that... I
[24:36] Speaker 3: do think that it's tough. And like you said, not
[24:37] Speaker 3: everybody can be good at this job. But I think
[24:40] Speaker 3: that more often than not, we see guys in the
[24:42] Speaker 3: NFL that hold these positions and you look at what
[24:45] Speaker 3: you're seeing on the field and thinking, man, any old
[24:48] Speaker 3: coordinator can be promoted to this, this gig and put
[24:51] Speaker 3: out results just like this. It is difficult to find
[24:54] Speaker 3: the right guy, but just finding a guy is not
[24:57] Speaker 3: as hard to find. And usually the ones with just
[24:59] Speaker 3: a guy are the ones that are most liable to
[25:01] Speaker 3: end up picking high in the draft and needing to
[25:03] Speaker 3: be replaced.
[25:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, firing Brian Callahan, tremendous idea.
[25:08] Speaker 3: Yes.
[25:09] Speaker 2: Just so we're clear.
[25:11] Speaker 1: Anybody say it, like, you're not doing Cam Ward a
[25:15] Speaker 1: disservice by firing Brian Callahan because you think he needs continuity, right?
[25:21] Speaker 1: That's like my brother once said about This cat we
[25:24] Speaker 1: knew who had a son, and I said that it
[25:27] Speaker 1: was good that he was around with that son. And
[25:29] Speaker 1: my brother said, we're going to call the man John.
[25:32] Speaker 1: I'm not sure that having John for a daddy is
[25:34] Speaker 1: better than having no daddy at all.
[25:41] Speaker 2: That's where Brian Callahan's situation was with Ken Ward. Like, no, no,
[25:47] Speaker 2: don't beg your daddy to stay.
[25:50] Speaker 1: That man walking out that man going to get that
[25:52] Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes is the best thing that's ever happened to.
[25:54] Speaker 3: You yes let that man leave i mean jeff simmons
[25:58] Speaker 3: was kind of intimating as much after uh sunday talking
[26:01] Speaker 3: about yeah we came off a win and this was
[26:03] Speaker 3: as flat as we've ever been all season and again
[26:06] Speaker 3: that leads me back to the same place i was
[26:07] Speaker 3: at with nick sirianni where you got to look at
[26:09] Speaker 3: the head coach and say what do you do here
[26:12] Speaker 3: the offense ain't good The roster ain't good. The quarterback
[26:16] Speaker 3: don't look as good now as he did in college.
[26:19] Speaker 3: And the guys don't seem to be enjoying being around
[26:21] Speaker 3: each other. Why are we paying you to be here?
[26:24] Speaker 2: Why are you here? That is the question all of
[26:28] Speaker 2: us have to answer every single day. Why are you here?
[26:33] Speaker 2: Whether you like it or not, that is the bottom line.
[26:36] Speaker 1: Why are you here? And the second you're like, yeah.
[26:44] Speaker 1: You won't be there for long. All right, we'll be
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[28:09] Speaker 2: All right, we're back on with Deontay Lee.
[28:13] Speaker 1: This is one of those weeks where you could tell that, like,
[28:16] Speaker 1: the TV networks, we know what the game of the
[28:18] Speaker 1: week has to be just because it's the Commandos and the.
[28:22] Speaker 2: Cowboys, right?
[28:23] Speaker 1: That's what TV wants. But that time slot has also
[28:26] Speaker 1: given us the Colts and the Chargers. Where is your
[28:29] Speaker 1: belief level in both of these?
[28:33] Speaker 3: I'll start with the Colts because we didn't spend a
[28:35] Speaker 3: lot of time talking about it the last time I
[28:36] Speaker 3: was on. I think the more I watch, the more
[28:40] Speaker 3: I realize that me believing in this really doesn't have
[28:43] Speaker 3: anything to do with Daniel Jones, which is a tricky
[28:45] Speaker 3: proposition because that means that Daniel Jones at any time
[28:48] Speaker 3: can show up and take all this belief and put
[28:51] Speaker 3: it on the bottom of his shoe. But I do
[28:54] Speaker 3: think that, A, Jonathan Taylor is probably playing the best
[28:57] Speaker 3: out of anybody in his position right now. And Shane Steichen,
[29:00] Speaker 3: a guy who I wasn't sure had the juice– And
[29:02] Speaker 3: maybe this is a lot of this was Anthony Richardson related.
[29:05] Speaker 3: Now he's got a quarterback that he can trust. And
[29:08] Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're just dicing defenses up. Play action,
[29:12] Speaker 3: deep passes, RPOs, getting Daniel Jones involved as a runner.
[29:16] Speaker 3: All the things that they could not do with Richardson
[29:18] Speaker 3: as a starter all of a sudden aren't a problem anymore.
[29:21] Speaker 3: So I think I am becoming a believer because the
[29:23] Speaker 3: coaching staff looks like they have a grip on what
[29:25] Speaker 3: they want to do. And the people who need to
[29:28] Speaker 3: protect Daniel Jones are doing so at a very high
[29:31] Speaker 3: level right now.
[29:32] Speaker 1: Just want to point out for people who don't know,
[29:34] Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson was just trying to exercise, stay in shape,
[29:38] Speaker 1: be ready for his chance.
[29:39] Speaker 2: And somehow managed to break his face.
[29:43] Speaker 1: Listen i'm not by the way guys i'm not exaggerating
[29:47] Speaker 1: he was working out with them bands and he broke
[29:49] Speaker 1: his orbital boat he's having a really tough year guys
[29:52] Speaker 1: he's having a really really really tough.
[29:54] Speaker 3: Year Look, I don't know if this is an experience
[29:58] Speaker 3: you share, but when I was in college, I've been
[30:00] Speaker 3: in a couple of classes where you're kind of teetering
[30:03] Speaker 3: on the edge and you start going to office hours
[30:05] Speaker 3: and you feel like you're doing everything you need to do.
[30:08] Speaker 3: And then you look up one day and you're like,
[30:10] Speaker 3: oh shit, I had a paper that I needed to
[30:13] Speaker 3: turn in on Tuesday. And it is Monday afternoon. I
[30:17] Speaker 3: don't know if I'm going to get this in on time.
[30:18] Speaker 3: And if I don't get this in, all this work
[30:20] Speaker 3: will be for naught. I feel like Anthony Richardson is
[30:23] Speaker 3: kind of transition into that can't get right kind of territory. Yeah.
[30:27] Speaker 1: The other thing with the Colts is the Colts have
[30:29] Speaker 1: been beaten up on bums, generally speaking. I think that
[30:32] Speaker 1: we would all agree that they have, they have put
[30:35] Speaker 1: the hurt on a bunch of bums. When they play
[30:37] Speaker 1: decent teams, they beat the Broncos on paper and they
[30:42] Speaker 1: lost to the Rams, right?
[30:44] Speaker 3: Probably should have beaten the Rams.
[30:45] Speaker 4: Yes.
[30:45] Speaker 3: Not for A.D. Mitchell.
[30:47] Speaker 2: Oh, forgot about that. He's the, he's the OG. It's
[30:50] Speaker 2: their safe stack and they put his hands on him.
[30:53] Speaker 3: Right.
[30:53] Speaker 1: Right.
[30:53] Speaker 3: He was.
[30:54] Speaker 1: Although the thing about A.D. Mitchell was that was why
[30:57] Speaker 1: you wouldn't in the first round.
[30:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[30:59] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[30:59] Speaker 2: He's one of those like it's a wonder he don't
[31:01] Speaker 2: play for the Bengals.
[31:03] Speaker 3: Right.
[31:03] Speaker 1: He's the sort of space case that the Bengals love
[31:05] Speaker 1: to have dudes like that on the team.
[31:07] Speaker 2: He had George picking situations.
[31:09] Speaker 3: Yes, he's one of those guys you ask a coach
[31:11] Speaker 3: off the record. They're like, oh man, we love him.
[31:13] Speaker 3: But he'd be tripping. He'd be tripping.
[31:17] Speaker 2: But the Colts have.
[31:20] Speaker 1: They're going to play the Chargers, but after that, the
[31:22] Speaker 1: schedule ramps up, but kind of ramps up.
[31:26] Speaker 2: So they get to go play the Titans. That should
[31:28] Speaker 2: be a win. They get the Steelers.
[31:30] Speaker 1: We're not exactly sure how good they are.
[31:33] Speaker 2: We have.
[31:36] Speaker 1: I'm not going to encourage y'all to believe in this,
[31:38] Speaker 1: but the Atlanta Falcons keep looking good on national television.
[31:40] Speaker 1: Just throwing it out there.
[31:43] Speaker 2: Then they get the Chiefs.
[31:44] Speaker 1: They get the Texans, who might be a little better
[31:47] Speaker 1: than their record indicates. The Jaguars, who might not be
[31:51] Speaker 1: as good as their record indicates, but their record indicates
[31:54] Speaker 1: that they are good. The Seahawks, the 49ers, who, I mean,
[31:58] Speaker 1: by then, they may be down to 30 people. Jaguars again,
[32:02] Speaker 1: and then the Texans. Like, They're going to be tested,
[32:05] Speaker 1: I guess, is the moral of the story that I'm getting.
[32:08] Speaker 3: We'll know if they're a mediocre team beating up on
[32:10] Speaker 3: bad teams or if they're actually a good football team
[32:12] Speaker 3: pretty quickly, I think, down the stretch of this season.
[32:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going to be something.
[32:17] Speaker 1: And look, the thing about Daniel Jones, you're like, they
[32:21] Speaker 1: haven't really needed Daniel Jones. But what we learned from
[32:23] Speaker 1: Sam Darnold last year is at some point you will.
[32:26] Speaker 1: you will right and even that's still the thing with
[32:28] Speaker 1: even seattle this.
[32:29] Speaker 2: Year with donald where it's like okay i am.
[32:32] Speaker 1: Seeing him doing a good job of getting the ball
[32:33] Speaker 1: to wide open dudes at some point we're gonna need
[32:36] Speaker 1: a little bit more than that or the stakes are
[32:38] Speaker 1: going to be higher and we're going to need you
[32:40] Speaker 1: to just have a different constitution right will you be
[32:45] Speaker 1: able to do that.
[32:46] Speaker 3: I mean i mean sam donald has proven that that's
[32:49] Speaker 3: just not really in his in his bag right like
[32:52] Speaker 3: And I think that if you're looking at the Seahawks
[32:54] Speaker 3: and comparing it to what we saw last year of Minnesota,
[32:57] Speaker 3: a lot of the same warning signs are there, right?
[32:59] Speaker 3: You are throwing to a lot of wide open guys.
[33:01] Speaker 3: You don't really have a lot of support from the
[33:02] Speaker 3: run game. And right now, taking all these chances are
[33:05] Speaker 3: going great. The moment the defenses start adding a little
[33:09] Speaker 3: bit more pressure, like they did to Minnesota last year,
[33:11] Speaker 3: and they don't have to respect the run game on
[33:13] Speaker 3: early downs at all. Now you got Sam Darnold in
[33:16] Speaker 3: the gun on first and 10 in a game that
[33:18] Speaker 3: you got to win. You don't want to live there
[33:20] Speaker 3: if Sam Darnold's your quarterback. And I think the same
[33:22] Speaker 3: thing is going to be true of Daniel Jones eventually.
[33:24] Speaker 3: You talk about the Texans who are great on defense.
[33:27] Speaker 3: Kansas City, whose defense has taken a step back, but
[33:29] Speaker 3: they can game plan against a limited quarterback as well
[33:31] Speaker 3: as anybody in the league. And, you know, the Jaguars,
[33:34] Speaker 3: of course, turnovers at different points. You're going to get
[33:37] Speaker 3: one of these games where Indianapolis is behind the game script.
[33:41] Speaker 3: They've got to score, you know, two or three times
[33:43] Speaker 3: in the second half to stay in the football game.
[33:45] Speaker 3: And that's when you're not going to be able to
[33:46] Speaker 3: hand the ball off to Jonathan Taylor 15, 20 times
[33:49] Speaker 3: and expect him to carry this thing on his back.
[33:52] Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen enough of Danny Jones to know
[33:54] Speaker 3: that's not where you want to live. I'm interested to see, though,
[33:57] Speaker 3: if he can do just enough to keep Indianapolis in
[34:00] Speaker 3: the playoff picture. And based off the way they've been
[34:02] Speaker 3: playing right now, I guess I'm a little bit more
[34:04] Speaker 3: inclined to give them some benefit of the doubt.
[34:07] Speaker 1: All right. The NFL is doing a thing. I really
[34:10] Speaker 1: don't like it when they do this. which is giving
[34:13] Speaker 1: us a London night in the morning game worth watching.
[34:16] Speaker 1: I guess it's a little different. You live over there
[34:17] Speaker 1: on the West. You got to be really, really a sicko.
[34:20] Speaker 1: But at the same time, Rams and Jaguars, huh?
[34:23] Speaker 2: Something there?
[34:25] Speaker 3: There is something there. I will tell you, as a
[34:27] Speaker 3: West Coast guy, I don't know if I have made
[34:30] Speaker 3: a single opening kickoff for one of these London games.
[34:33] Speaker 3: I'm sure. Sorry to my bosses. Sorry to my buddies
[34:37] Speaker 3: who live on the East Coast and cover the NFL
[34:39] Speaker 3: and got to be up to watch this. This is
[34:41] Speaker 3: the YouTube invitational for me when the game is not
[34:44] Speaker 3: very interesting. But I do think we're going to learn
[34:47] Speaker 3: a lot about the Rams because this is another team
[34:48] Speaker 3: that has looked good and have a lot of pieces
[34:51] Speaker 3: that will lead you to believe that they're a good team.
[34:53] Speaker 3: And sometimes I watch them and I'm like, man, it's
[34:56] Speaker 3: a whole lot, a whole lot of weight on the
[34:59] Speaker 3: back of a 37 year old who couldn't practice at
[35:01] Speaker 3: all in the offseason. I don't know how much longer
[35:03] Speaker 3: this thing is going to last.
[35:04] Speaker 1: Hey, look, man, it's the classic Stafford experience. When he
[35:08] Speaker 1: looks great, he looks great. But who wants an interception?
[35:13] Speaker 1: There's one right there.
[35:14] Speaker 3: Waiting on you.
[35:15] Speaker 2: It's coming. It's coming hard, though. You're going to need
[35:19] Speaker 2: to think fast. Look alive.
[35:21] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Had them gloves nice and sticky. Go ahead
[35:24] Speaker 3: and spit on them.
[35:25] Speaker 1: Gloves before the play. You're going to hear that bitch coming.
[35:29] Speaker 1: Just spit it through the air. But he's looked good
[35:34] Speaker 1: this year. He's looked really good.
[35:35] Speaker 2: The Jaguars....
[35:38] Speaker 1: How much attention have you paid to the Travis Hunter experiment?
[35:40] Speaker 1: Because I feel like they've taken a once-a-generation talent and
[35:46] Speaker 1: made him into just another dude on the field by
[35:48] Speaker 1: trying to make him into a superhero.
[35:51] Speaker 3: He's very normal. There are times where it's dynamic, and
[35:54] Speaker 3: I'm not blaming the fact that he looks normal on
[35:57] Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, because there are times where they get on
[35:59] Speaker 3: the ball on these glorified punt returns, these bubble screens,
[36:02] Speaker 3: these little checkdowns out in space, and he shakes a guy.
[36:05] Speaker 3: And it looks like, you know, if you've ever been
[36:07] Speaker 3: to a youth football game where you just sit in
[36:09] Speaker 3: the stands, you're like, oh, OK, that's the kid. And
[36:12] Speaker 3: then y'all are everybody else. There are some times where
[36:14] Speaker 3: you can still make it look like that, but it's
[36:16] Speaker 3: not as often. And I think that when you're watching
[36:19] Speaker 3: all 22, there are some times where maybe the offense
[36:22] Speaker 3: is checking a play or signaling or trying to get
[36:24] Speaker 3: from one formation to the next. And it don't necessarily
[36:27] Speaker 3: look like Travis Hunter knows exactly where to be yet.
[36:30] Speaker 3: And again, I can't blame that on him. You got
[36:32] Speaker 3: the man in two different meeting rooms throughout the week.
[36:35] Speaker 2: It's a lot.
[36:36] Speaker 3: All right. It's a lot.
[36:38] Speaker 2: How does. How is this not such an obviously bad idea?
[36:44] Speaker 2: I just can't. I see people dream on it.
[36:47] Speaker 1: How is this just not clearly not what you should do?
[36:51] Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to throw this out here. You expect
[36:54] Speaker 2: me to believe that Bo Jackson couldn't play linebacker, perhaps
[36:57] Speaker 2: edge rusher. You know what I mean? Like, you know,
[37:00] Speaker 2: I'm sure there are other people who could have done
[37:02] Speaker 2: these things, but their coach. Oh, Derek Henry could have 100.
[37:05] Speaker 3: Sacks right now. Yeah, but their coach.
[37:07] Speaker 2: Didn't do that to him. You know what I'm saying? Like,
[37:10] Speaker 2: just let him pick one and let him be a
[37:13] Speaker 2: beast at that one.
[37:15] Speaker 3: Yes. And I think that what we're seeing is that
[37:18] Speaker 3: he could be that at receiver. In my opinion, the
[37:21] Speaker 3: way he runs, the way he tracks the ball, how
[37:23] Speaker 3: he can feel, you know, feel for guys out in space.
[37:26] Speaker 3: I'm like, why are we, why would we even mess
[37:28] Speaker 3: around with the DV thing? And this is me admitting
[37:30] Speaker 3: that I might've been wrong in my evaluation of this.
[37:32] Speaker 3: Cause I thought that for sure, put them out at corner,
[37:35] Speaker 3: let them play corner a hundred percent of the time.
[37:37] Speaker 3: The wide receiver stuff was nice in college, but I
[37:39] Speaker 3: don't know if that's who he can be at the
[37:41] Speaker 3: NFL level. I watched the way this guy moves. And
[37:43] Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe that guy does need to touch the
[37:45] Speaker 3: ball eight to 12 times a game. I just think
[37:48] Speaker 3: that it's hard to do that. If you're trying to
[37:50] Speaker 3: teach him how to be a slot, how to be
[37:52] Speaker 3: an outside receiver, and how to, you know, line up
[37:55] Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage and play press technique on
[37:57] Speaker 3: number one wide receivers.
[37:59] Speaker 1: I mean, it's clearly affecting his decision making because he
[38:01] Speaker 1: signed off on that terrible, terrible commercial that him and
[38:04] Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence did together.
[38:06] Speaker 2: You seen that?
[38:07] Speaker 3: I haven't seen this.
[38:08] Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
[38:09] Speaker 1: I'm amazed that you've avoided it. They run it all
[38:12] Speaker 1: the time. You ever seen Footloose?
[38:15] Speaker 3: I have seen Footloose.
[38:16] Speaker 1: I have never seen Footloose. But it's a commercial with
[38:19] Speaker 1: the Denise Williams song. And they out here, it look like.
[38:21] Speaker 2: They like dancing in TikTok videos, basically.
[38:23] Speaker 1: Like they got a part where they holding hands and
[38:25] Speaker 1: they do the thing where you go like that.
[38:28] Speaker 2: Y'all do the wave with your arm and you dance together.
[38:30] Speaker 2: And it's let's hear it for the boy.
[38:32] Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm trying to figure out who this
[38:35] Speaker 1: make want to play football.
[38:36] Speaker 2: Whose idea was this?
[38:44] Speaker 3: Their relationship already don't strike me like that's the way
[38:46] Speaker 3: that they give it up with one another either. Nobody's
[38:48] Speaker 3: buying it.
[38:48] Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you, you're going to look
[38:50] Speaker 1: at this commercial and we are so far away from
[38:52] Speaker 1: I am not a role model. Like, commercials when I
[38:54] Speaker 1: was a kid had a little bit more bite tool.
[38:58] Speaker 2: That one right.
[38:58] Speaker 1: There had me like, oh, and I ain't never seen,
[39:01] Speaker 1: like I said, I ain't never seen Footloose. I said
[39:03] Speaker 1: it to a friend of mine and she tells me
[39:04] Speaker 1: how it's from Footloose. I'm like, is it even from Footloose?
[39:07] Speaker 1: I just thought it was a literal interpretation of the song.
[39:10] Speaker 1: I had never seen Footloose.
[39:11] Speaker 3: That's funny.
[39:11] Speaker 2: And That's hilarious.
[39:12] Speaker 1: So apparently them boys is, is that the one about
[39:15] Speaker 1: the town where people ain't allowed to dance?
[39:17] Speaker 3: Yes.
[39:18] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. It's kind of like Baylor.
[39:21] Speaker 3: I think, I think Ryan made the same joke on
[39:24] Speaker 3: earlier very much.
[39:26] Speaker 1: Hey man i'm just saying when i was like say
[39:28] Speaker 1: baylor did not have his first school sponsored dance until
[39:30] Speaker 1: the year of our lord 1997 that just came up
[39:33] Speaker 1: on the show the other day i don't know why
[39:34] Speaker 1: and i'll bring it up every time i'll anytime anytime
[39:38] Speaker 1: they come up don't you worry i'll bring that up
[39:41] Speaker 1: but before we get you out of here i do
[39:42] Speaker 1: want to ask you this about these uh atlanta falcons
[39:47] Speaker 1: um I'm never going to encourage Falcons fans.
[39:50] Speaker 2: To believe because I don't. I stopped.
[39:55] Speaker 3: I quit.
[39:58] Speaker 2: They look aight.
[40:00] Speaker 3: Aight is a dangerous proposition when you're talking about the Falcons.
[40:03] Speaker 2: It is a dangerous proposition.
[40:04] Speaker 1: The part that got Charles McDonald and me, though, was
[40:08] Speaker 1: that defense, which is just children and spare parts.
[40:12] Speaker 2: At least when they're on national television, they be flyin'..
[40:16] Speaker 3: And there are some times where I'm like, it seems
[40:18] Speaker 3: like we're just flying to fly around and we end
[40:20] Speaker 3: up landing in the right spot a lot of times.
[40:23] Speaker 3: And it's very different from the typical Raheem Morris defense,
[40:26] Speaker 3: which has been a lot of just kind of grab bag.
[40:29] Speaker 3: We got a bunch of guys that are just doing
[40:31] Speaker 3: stuff out there. And sometimes we stop the run. And
[40:34] Speaker 3: a lot of times we don't. Sometimes we force turnovers.
[40:36] Speaker 3: And a lot of times we don't. I do think
[40:38] Speaker 3: when I watch them, guys like Billy Bowman, you know,
[40:41] Speaker 3: you're seeing guys up front. Jalen Walker has been a
[40:43] Speaker 3: little bit better than I expected. Their pass rush for
[40:46] Speaker 3: the first time, I guess, since what John Abraham was
[40:49] Speaker 3: playing on the edge for the Falcons looks like it's viable.
[40:52] Speaker 3: And that's a new development as well. And I think
[40:54] Speaker 3: that if you believe in the defense, you can believe
[40:56] Speaker 3: in the team. I'm just not there yet. I will say, though,
[41:00] Speaker 3: this is the perfect team for my own sensibilities because
[41:04] Speaker 3: every time they got the ball, all I'm saying is
[41:05] Speaker 3: where's number seven? Where's number seven? Zach Robinson, if this
[41:09] Speaker 3: play call is not for number seven, you're fired.
[41:11] Speaker 2: All right.
[41:12] Speaker 3: Everything for number seven, please. And less for everybody else.
[41:15] Speaker 1: In a different time, he is one of the five
[41:19] Speaker 1: most famous football players that there is. I say this
[41:23] Speaker 1: all the time here, but I don't believe that I
[41:25] Speaker 1: can say it enough.
[41:27] Speaker 2: I don't know the last time they made. Adrian Peterson
[41:31] Speaker 2: is the last time they made one of.
[41:33] Speaker 1: These in terms of similar talent.
[41:36] Speaker 2: But he can do more than Peterson could.
[41:37] Speaker 1: Peterson is just, like, seven yards deep, pitch him the ball, go.
[41:42] Speaker 1: I don't, you know, Derrick Henry, I guess, is the
[41:43] Speaker 1: other person that you could put in a, like, similar
[41:45] Speaker 1: category there.
[41:46] Speaker 2: But I can do.
[41:47] Speaker 3: All of this.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Bijan feels like a maybe more talented Marshall Falk. And
[41:52] Speaker 1: Marshall Falk has an argument for being the best running
[41:54] Speaker 1: back I've ever seen.
[41:56] Speaker 3: I think of him similarly to LaDainian Thomason and Marshall Falk,
[42:00] Speaker 3: where it's like, there is nothing that these guys cannot do.
[42:03] Speaker 3: And they make guys miss in ways. It's like, oh,
[42:05] Speaker 3: my God. Only you can do this, right? Like he
[42:08] Speaker 3: definitely fits in that paradigm. I do think if we
[42:11] Speaker 3: were in a little bit more of a run friendly NFL,
[42:15] Speaker 3: he's not just one of the most famous players. He
[42:17] Speaker 3: probably is the most marketable force right now in the
[42:20] Speaker 3: NFL because he does things that even guys like Saquon
[42:24] Speaker 3: don't do. Even guys like Jonathan Taylor can't do. I mean,
[42:26] Speaker 3: there are ways where he can catch the ball out
[42:28] Speaker 3: in the flat and it genuinely feels like nobody has
[42:31] Speaker 3: a chance to touch him more times than not. The
[42:33] Speaker 3: first guy to the ball is not the guy that
[42:34] Speaker 3: brings him down. I think that as this thing goes
[42:38] Speaker 3: on with him, he will be maybe the next. And
[42:41] Speaker 3: I feel like I say this every five years, the
[42:43] Speaker 3: last guy that has a chance to make the Hall
[42:45] Speaker 3: of Fame at this position.
[42:47] Speaker 2: OK, so you do that, too. I do that same
[42:49] Speaker 2: thing or run it back. I didn't have all that.
[42:51] Speaker 2: Like we're counting down the moments. Right.
[42:53] Speaker 1: Like we may not get another one of these. I'd
[42:56] Speaker 1: say this to anybody that felt like Falcons overdrafted with Bijan.
[43:00] Speaker 2: All you was doing was telling me you was a dork.
[43:03] Speaker 3: Hater.
[43:03] Speaker 2: Right?
[43:04] Speaker 1: Only a dork would have said that, and the rest
[43:07] Speaker 1: of y'all need to be glad because if the Falcons
[43:09] Speaker 1: had not taken him, what if he went down to
[43:12] Speaker 1: the next team that took a running back in the
[43:13] Speaker 1: first round that year? Because that means Bijan, as much
[43:17] Speaker 1: as you might like Jameer Gibbs, Bijan would be a
[43:20] Speaker 1: Detroit lying, in which case, first of all, Bijan would
[43:25] Speaker 1: be the quarterback.
[43:26] Speaker 2: Maybe they'd never throw the ball again.
[43:27] Speaker 3: Yeah. You want to talk about some big brain Ben Johnson.
[43:31] Speaker 3: That would have been the whole offense while he was here.
[43:35] Speaker 1: Well, clearly the big brain is actually Dan Campbell because
[43:38] Speaker 1: they still do that stuff now.
[43:40] Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, wow, Dan Campbell actually.
[43:42] Speaker 1: Does Dan Campbell have a streak that wants him to
[43:45] Speaker 1: prove to us how smart he is?
[43:48] Speaker 2: Because that would be bad.
[43:49] Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of. not just the
[43:52] Speaker 3: meathead energy that we're getting from him. And I'm like,
[43:56] Speaker 3: hey man, ain't no shame in being a meathead. We
[43:58] Speaker 3: love you with this. This is your role.
[44:00] Speaker 1: But you know what he is though? He's one of
[44:02] Speaker 1: these guys. Mike Ditka fits this category. Les Miles was
[44:08] Speaker 1: a guy like this in college. And that is offensive
[44:13] Speaker 1: guys who seem like defensive guys.
[44:15] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
[44:17] Speaker 2: Right? Like when you think about it, you're like, huh, really?
[44:19] Speaker 2: Mike Ditka? Yeah, Mike Ditka.
[44:20] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, first tight end to go into the
[44:22] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He's an offensive guy. But, you know,
[44:26] Speaker 1: they all hardscrabble and got dirt on their fingernails and shit.
[44:28] Speaker 1: So they seem like that they are less, honestly, with
[44:31] Speaker 1: Les Miles. There's only one reason we think him as
[44:33] Speaker 1: the defensive guy is because we just don't think of
[44:35] Speaker 1: him as being particularly bright.
[44:37] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[44:37] Speaker 1: I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just telling you the
[44:40] Speaker 1: way that we be treating him.
[44:42] Speaker 3: That's fair. I think that's fair. Right. Exactly. By choice.
[44:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:47] Speaker 3: Just because.
[44:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:48] Speaker 3: Compulsively.
[44:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:50] Speaker 1: As an example to prove the point that I'm making here.
[44:53] Speaker 1: Not one of y'all looking at Ogeron like, oh, I
[44:56] Speaker 1: bet that man called plays.
[44:57] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not.
[45:00] Speaker 3: Not a half bad Cajun. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[45:04] Speaker 2: You know, like that's not. He ain't the guy that's
[45:07] Speaker 2: doing that.
[45:07] Speaker 1: But I mentioned the Lions because the Lions played a
[45:11] Speaker 1: Bucs on Monday Night Football. And obviously, I think the
[45:16] Speaker 1: Lions have given us a little bit more proof of
[45:17] Speaker 1: concept on the idea that they are for real. Tampa,
[45:21] Speaker 1: I think it's been a little tricky in terms of
[45:24] Speaker 1: who they've played and the results that they put up. Except,
[45:28] Speaker 1: The fair point, obviously, they got sweepstakes winners out there
[45:32] Speaker 1: playing wide receiver and they're still getting it done. They're
[45:35] Speaker 1: a little beat up everywhere and they still managed to
[45:38] Speaker 1: get it done.
[45:40] Speaker 3: I have been one of the few guys like in
[45:42] Speaker 3: this millennial sports media football circle that has been the
[45:46] Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield guy, so to speak. And it's less about
[45:49] Speaker 3: thinking that he's a great quarterback and more so what
[45:53] Speaker 3: we've gotten from him in Tampa Bay looks like a
[45:55] Speaker 3: good quarterback. For the most part, it's carried over as
[45:59] Speaker 3: coordinators have left. And I think that this year it's
[46:02] Speaker 3: been really tricky for me because this is about as
[46:05] Speaker 3: unsustainable a level of play as we've ever seen from Baker,
[46:07] Speaker 3: where he's scrambling, he's getting away from these sacks. It
[46:10] Speaker 3: seems like every time he puts the ball in harm's way,
[46:13] Speaker 3: it happens to be an incompletion instead of an interception.
[46:15] Speaker 3: And that usually don't last very long. But he's playing
[46:18] Speaker 3: better than ever. And now people are talking about him
[46:20] Speaker 3: as an MVP. And now I got to be the
[46:22] Speaker 3: asshole that stands up and says, this is not an MVP, guys.
[46:27] Speaker 3: We're not looking at the same thing. And I feel terrible.
[46:29] Speaker 3: I feel like I'm abandoning my post when I'm needed most, man.
[46:33] Speaker 3: But this is not an MVP that I'm watching right now.
[46:36] Speaker 2: I hate feeling like that person. Where it's like, look,
[46:39] Speaker 2: I just want to ride the bobs like you. You
[46:41] Speaker 2: don't want to feel like the Russian judge, right? You
[46:43] Speaker 2: don't want to feel like the Webb Blanket. But people
[46:46] Speaker 2: always got to go too far.
[46:49] Speaker 3: Feel like the damn hipster. Like, I like this thing
[46:51] Speaker 3: when nobody was in on this thing. And now when
[46:53] Speaker 3: everybody's in on this thing, I'm leaving.
[46:55] Speaker 2: I'm like one of those backpack hip hop fans, you know?
[46:58] Speaker 3: Like, oh, you listen to Most Def? I guess I
[47:01] Speaker 3: can't like Most Def no more. You listen to Talib?
[47:04] Speaker 3: I guess I can't listen to Talib no more.
[47:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, just like, oh, look who just showed up.
[47:09] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[47:10] Speaker 2: That is where... So many of the undergrounders did on
[47:13] Speaker 2: Eminem too.
[47:14] Speaker 1: Like before the Eminem thing happened, because I don't know
[47:16] Speaker 1: if you all know to remember when we all found
[47:18] Speaker 1: out like gradually and there was this mythical white dude
[47:20] Speaker 1: that was out here killing it.
[47:22] Speaker 2: And so people got in on it early. Then it
[47:23] Speaker 2: got out of hand.
[47:24] Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, you know, there are certain limitations
[47:28] Speaker 1: to his game.
[47:30] Speaker 3: Once you got to the Eminem show, I felt like
[47:32] Speaker 3: that was a great dividing line between These are the
[47:35] Speaker 3: fans that will have him going forward. And these are
[47:37] Speaker 3: all the fans who were here up to this point.
[47:40] Speaker 3: And y'all can have them from here.
[47:41] Speaker 2: That is a great point.
[47:43] Speaker 1: I want to say this also about Tampa because I
[47:45] Speaker 1: think that this gets lost. As much as we talk
[47:48] Speaker 1: about the redemption and the reclamation of Baker Mayfield from
[47:52] Speaker 1: being discarded and what we thought of him, Todd Bowles
[47:56] Speaker 1: is right there in the exact same boat and in
[48:00] Speaker 1: a way that is similar to Baker. And when I
[48:02] Speaker 1: say that, There was a reason that Cleveland moved on
[48:05] Speaker 1: from Baker, right? He wasn't doing this, and then they
[48:08] Speaker 1: were like, eh, no.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Good, right?
[48:11] Speaker 1: Nope, he had a rise, he had fall, and people
[48:14] Speaker 1: typically don't think that you have a rise that comes
[48:16] Speaker 1: after that.
[48:16] Speaker 2: That was the call they had made.
[48:18] Speaker 1: I do not think that Todd Bowles was a good
[48:20] Speaker 1: head coach when he was with the Jets. They had
[48:22] Speaker 1: that 2015 Fitzmagic year, but I did not think he
[48:26] Speaker 1: did a good job as coach there.
[48:29] Speaker 2: He just keeps winning the division here.
[48:32] Speaker 3: And he keeps hiring good coaches. Yeah. That's probably the
[48:35] Speaker 3: biggest trip to me is like usually a defensive guy
[48:37] Speaker 3: runs out of people to call to run his offense
[48:40] Speaker 3: after a certain amount. And it just seems like he
[48:42] Speaker 3: has just shuffled one guy in after another that has
[48:44] Speaker 3: gotten great results with their quarterback and with this offense.
[48:47] Speaker 3: And I would say that this also extends to GM
[48:50] Speaker 3: Jason Light as well. Like I would remember when he
[48:52] Speaker 3: first got that job because he was there right when
[48:54] Speaker 3: Jameis got brought in as the number one draft pick.
[48:56] Speaker 3: And that roster was awful. Outside of Mike Evans, there
[49:00] Speaker 3: was not a whole lot else going on. There were
[49:02] Speaker 3: a lot of misses. I think OJ Howard is a
[49:04] Speaker 3: tight end, you know, in the first round where they
[49:06] Speaker 3: really could have used some more help elsewhere. And then
[49:09] Speaker 3: he gets bailed out by Tom Brady. And I think
[49:10] Speaker 3: that the book on Jason Light before Tom Brady's retirement was, oh,
[49:15] Speaker 3: this is a guy that was kind of mediocre and
[49:18] Speaker 3: was just hanging around because the owner wanted him around.
[49:20] Speaker 3: and then Tom Brady came and bailed him out and
[49:22] Speaker 3: now that we are post Tom Brady what we're seeing
[49:24] Speaker 3: is this has probably been one of the teams that
[49:27] Speaker 3: has had the fewest amount of roster weaknesses on a
[49:30] Speaker 3: year-to-year basis basically since they brought in Tom Brady and
[49:33] Speaker 3: I think that all these guys deserve a lot of
[49:34] Speaker 3: credit because they've hung around and been a regular playoff team,
[49:38] Speaker 3: albeit in the NFC South, where there hasn't been a
[49:40] Speaker 3: whole lot of competition post Drew Brees and post Cam
[49:43] Speaker 3: Newton and post Matt Ryan. But they've held this thing
[49:46] Speaker 3: down basically no matter who has been at the helm,
[49:48] Speaker 3: or excuse me, with Todd Bowles and Jason Lack at
[49:50] Speaker 3: the helm, because they've done a great job of hiring
[49:53] Speaker 3: guys and acquiring depth across this roster.
[49:55] Speaker 1: I would also say 2020 Tom Brady was a little
[49:57] Speaker 1: closer to being Jalen Hurts than he was to being
[50:00] Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Like that roster was a quarterback away. And
[50:05] Speaker 1: they got the best, oh, you're a quarterback away, question mark,
[50:08] Speaker 1: that you could possibly throw in under those circumstances.
[50:11] Speaker 2: They had dudes, man.
[50:14] Speaker 3: I think that Super Bowl has kind of biased us
[50:16] Speaker 3: to how we think about exactly what that team was.
[50:18] Speaker 2: Go watch that playoff run. Yeah.
[50:21] Speaker 1: Well, remember when they had to stop going out routes?
[50:24] Speaker 1: When they had to stop letting Tom Brady throw out routes?
[50:26] Speaker 2: Because they was just like, gotcha pops.
[50:29] Speaker 3: I think I remember, maybe it was 2019. No, I
[50:31] Speaker 3: think it was 2020, where they played the Saints. And
[50:34] Speaker 3: the Saints defense was just all over these guys. I
[50:37] Speaker 3: was like, this is the team that people want me
[50:39] Speaker 3: to believe that just because Tom Brady is here, they're
[50:41] Speaker 3: going to go win a title. That's not what I see.
[50:43] Speaker 3: And then they get to the playoffs. And then that's where,
[50:45] Speaker 3: you know, similar to Jalen Hurts. It's like, all we
[50:47] Speaker 3: needed was a guy that wasn't going to give this
[50:49] Speaker 3: thing away.
[50:49] Speaker 1: Yes.
[50:50] Speaker 3: We just needed to get you to this point. Now
[50:52] Speaker 3: you go on, you go on ahead, run free.
[50:54] Speaker 1: I assure you every day, Jalen, Jameis Winston was trying
[50:57] Speaker 1: to explain to people that it was this close.
[51:00] Speaker 2: Been me.
[51:00] Speaker 3: I was right there. I was right there.
[51:02] Speaker 2: I'm telling you, we talked about this before.
[51:05] Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is saying the exact same thing right now.
[51:07] Speaker 2: About the Colts.
[51:08] Speaker 1: Like I said, the last time we saw both of
[51:10] Speaker 1: those guys play in a season, there was no question
[51:13] Speaker 1: who I thought was better.
[51:14] Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. And not because Anthony Richardson was great.
[51:17] Speaker 3: Right.
[51:17] Speaker 2: You're never going to convince him he couldn't be doing this.
[51:21] Speaker 3: They sent Daniel Jones home. The Giants, a team that
[51:23] Speaker 3: has not had a quarterback since Eli Manning, sent Daniel
[51:26] Speaker 3: Jones home midseason. This was not supposed to play out
[51:30] Speaker 3: this way. And I'm Anthony Richardson. I'm really sitting here peeved.
[51:33] Speaker 3: So I'm like, yeah, all I needed was another year.
[51:36] Speaker 3: And then you can start telling yourself these lies of,
[51:38] Speaker 3: they didn't call those plays when I was quarterback. You know?
[51:41] Speaker 1: You say the Giants ain't had a quarterback. You say
[51:43] Speaker 1: the Giants ain't had a quarterback. My brother's favorite line
[51:46] Speaker 1: is that one right there.
[51:49] Speaker 3: Politics. That's politics. Management didn't believe in me. That's what
[51:54] Speaker 3: the problem was. Man, you know.
[51:56] Speaker 2: You know how it is, right?
[51:58] Speaker 3: You know how the bosses can be.
[52:00] Speaker 2: That's the invisible hand.
[52:04] Speaker 1: For those of you who are not familiar with the
[52:06] Speaker 1: concept of the invisible hand, in economics, there's a book
[52:08] Speaker 1: called The Wealth of Nations that is like this foundational
[52:10] Speaker 1: economic book and the rationale behind the market, like letting
[52:13] Speaker 1: the market work itself out. is the invisible hand will
[52:17] Speaker 1: guide everything where it's supposed to go. My interpretation is,
[52:20] Speaker 1: by the way, the invisible hand is a slick way
[52:22] Speaker 1: of saying, fuck if I know. The invisible hand is
[52:25] Speaker 1: basically saying, God, God don't make no mistakes. That is
[52:31] Speaker 1: what the invisible hand of the market is as a principle, right?
[52:35] Speaker 2: That's what it is.
[52:36] Speaker 1: Politics is like these seedy invisible hands. The invisible hand
[52:42] Speaker 1: of the underwear, man, you know, they just be doing
[52:44] Speaker 1: stuff Yes.
[52:46] Speaker 3: Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence type
[52:49] Speaker 3: of mentality. You can't tell me that they're not trying
[52:52] Speaker 3: to sabotage me behind the scenes just because you ain't
[52:55] Speaker 3: heard it. Don't mean it can't be happening.
[52:58] Speaker 1: And it's always the same person who is the victim
[53:01] Speaker 1: of politics in every place, which means one of two things.
[53:04] Speaker 1: Either you're really not good at what you do or
[53:06] Speaker 1: you are a real jerk where everywhere you go, they're like.
[53:13] Speaker 3: Listen, I think we brought up Carson Wentz in that
[53:15] Speaker 3: respect the last time I was on. There is a
[53:18] Speaker 3: reason why some guys don't get to hang around as
[53:20] Speaker 3: backups for longer than a year or two.
[53:22] Speaker 2: Jeff George is the all-timer. And whether right or wrong,
[53:29] Speaker 2: that's what they decided about Cam Newton.
[53:30] Speaker 1: Now, I think Cam Newton also decided that about himself,
[53:34] Speaker 1: which I respect. He's like, I ain't just going to
[53:36] Speaker 1: be hanging around.
[53:38] Speaker 3: Not for no Mac Jones.
[53:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it.
[53:40] Speaker 3: Respectfully.
[53:41] Speaker 2: I'm just not going to be just.
[53:42] Speaker 4: I.
[53:42] Speaker 2: Ain't just trying to be on a team.
[53:45] Speaker 4: Right.
[53:46] Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
[53:47] Speaker 3: Same thing with, like, Odell Beckham, right? Like, do I
[53:49] Speaker 3: believe that Odell Beckham can go play in the slot
[53:51] Speaker 3: for a lot of teams right now? Yeah, I do.
[53:53] Speaker 3: But if I'm Odell Beckham, hey, man, I'm me. Okay?
[53:58] Speaker 3: This is beneath my dignity, okay? I'm not saying I
[54:02] Speaker 3: got to be the star, but you have to treat
[54:04] Speaker 3: me a certain kind of way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[54:05] Speaker 2: Like, sorry.
[54:06] Speaker 4: Like, I.
[54:07] Speaker 2: And y'all going to expect me to show up on time. Right.
[54:10] Speaker 3: That's the real problem.
[54:11] Speaker 1: So the reason that the Broncos, I think it was
[54:14] Speaker 1: the Broncos, Jerry Rice's last training camp, they didn't keep
[54:16] Speaker 1: him on.
[54:16] Speaker 2: They were like, oh, he could have been the fifth receiver,
[54:18] Speaker 2: but the fifth receiver does special teams.
[54:21] Speaker 3: I can't have Jerry.
[54:22] Speaker 2: Rice out here.
[54:23] Speaker 3: I'm Jerry Rice. I ain't covering no kickoff.
[54:27] Speaker 2: He ain't even got to say, I'm Jerry Rice. You
[54:30] Speaker 2: don't bring that to Jerry Rice. You're just like, hey, man.
[54:33] Speaker 2: We just ain't even going to do that. Can't even
[54:37] Speaker 2: do that.
[54:37] Speaker 3: We only got to have that conversation. I ain't even
[54:39] Speaker 3: going to disrespect you with that.
[54:40] Speaker 1: I ain't going to hold you, partner. I appreciate you. Exactly.
[54:46] Speaker 3: All love here.
[54:48] Speaker 2: No beef. No shade.
[54:50] Speaker 3: No nothing.
[54:50] Speaker 1: But that, Deontay Lee, check him out at the ring
[54:53] Speaker 1: covering the NFL. My brother, I appreciate you.
[54:55] Speaker 3: Appreciate you having me.
[54:57] Speaker 1: On, man.
[54:57] Speaker 3: All right, man.
[54:58] Speaker 1: And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us
[55:00] Speaker 1: here on The Right Time. We do this here three
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[55:05] Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
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