# Diante Lee on Fernando Mendoza's potential, A.J. Brown-Eagles divorce, Mike Vrabel mess | 04.23

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 23 Apr 2026, 55 min.

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The Ringer's Diante Lee joins Bomani Jones to break down all the storylines ahead of the NFL draft. First, they discuss Fernando Mendoza's ceiling and if he can reach it playing for the Las Vegas Raiders. Later, they break down the impending breakup between A.J. Brown and the Philadelphia Eagles and why it's "loser behavior" on the part of the Eagles. Finally, they discuss Mike Vrabel's latest press conference and the questions he wasn't asked... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:09] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:13] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:24] Speaker 1: a hater. It is Thursdays with Deontay. Deontay Lee of
[0:28] Speaker 1: the Ringer. What's going on?
[0:30] Speaker 2: Good to be here, man. I'm glad to be able
[0:32] Speaker 2: to get in with you. I know we were trying
[0:33] Speaker 2: to get this lined up a couple of weeks ago
[0:35] Speaker 2: and got out the bed and just not feeling right.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Damn it, man. Glad to have.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Gone from doubtful to probable again. Y'all got up one
[0:42] Speaker 1: day and his neck was hurting.
[0:43] Speaker 2: Like my buddy Charles said, nobody used to have a
[0:46] Speaker 2: bad back. I got a lot of football injuries that
[0:48] Speaker 2: every once in a while want to remind me that
[0:50] Speaker 2: they happen and that I haven't dealt with them and
[0:52] Speaker 2: they're not going away until I do.
[0:54] Speaker 1: He hit us at an hour that was so early
[0:56] Speaker 1: that you know his neck was fucked up because he
[0:58] Speaker 1: shouldn't have been awake. Like that was not I'm awake
[1:01] Speaker 1: to let you guys know. That is while I'm awake.
[1:04] Speaker 2: Exactly. I'm not supposed to be awake and this has
[1:07] Speaker 2: forced me out of my bed. And I know when
[1:09] Speaker 2: I close my eyes again, I ain't getting back up.
[1:11] Speaker 2: So let me just let my guys know. that they
[1:13] Speaker 2: ain't going to see me today.
[1:14] Speaker 1: Well, look, we got a lot of NFL topics we
[1:16] Speaker 1: want to get to. We'll get to A.J. Brown a
[1:17] Speaker 1: little later. We'll get to Mike Vrabel a little later.
[1:20] Speaker 1: But first, the NFL draft Thursday night. I saw that
[1:24] Speaker 1: you did your evaluation of Fernando Mendoza, and I thought
[1:29] Speaker 1: the way you went about it was very interesting because
[1:31] Speaker 1: I say on my end that he's the number one
[1:35] Speaker 1: pick in this draft.
[1:37] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:37] Speaker 1: He's not the number one pick in every draft, but
[1:41] Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that answers to what kind of
[1:43] Speaker 1: NFL quarterback that means that he would be. What did
[1:47] Speaker 1: you come back with?
[1:48] Speaker 2: Honestly, I had just been hung up over and over
[1:51] Speaker 2: again with, okay, so what does this trait mean in
[1:54] Speaker 2: an NFL context, right? It's very rare you get a
[1:57] Speaker 2: number one overall pick and you're haggling over, is this
[2:00] Speaker 2: enough arm strength? Is this enough mobility? Is this enough
[2:04] Speaker 2: processing of understanding coverages and knowing where to go with
[2:07] Speaker 2: the ball. Is this enough pocket management, right? Like with
[2:10] Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, I had some questions and then I went
[2:12] Speaker 2: back and watched and it was like, oh no, this
[2:14] Speaker 2: motherfucker is a wizard in the pocket. This is going
[2:16] Speaker 2: to work, right? Like he might not be Peyton Manning,
[2:19] Speaker 2: but he's doing a very kind of poor man's Peyton
[2:21] Speaker 2: Manning kind of impression in the pocket as far as
[2:24] Speaker 2: knowing what to do, how to avoid pressure and get
[2:25] Speaker 2: the ball out of his hands. I mean, we've seen
[2:27] Speaker 2: it work out in the league. I would say even
[2:29] Speaker 2: last year with Cam Ward, there are just some throws
[2:31] Speaker 2: that he would make or some decisions that he would make.
[2:33] Speaker 2: She would say, I'm not sure if you should make
[2:35] Speaker 2: that decision, but those are decisions that number one overall
[2:38] Speaker 2: picks make. Those are throws that number one overall picks make.
[2:41] Speaker 2: And I think that you saw enough athleticism and pure
[2:43] Speaker 2: arm strength to be able to kind of wrap your
[2:45] Speaker 2: head around that. I'm not saying that Fernando Mendoza doesn't
[2:48] Speaker 2: have a strong enough arm or doesn't have enough mobility,
[2:51] Speaker 2: but it's just so often I'm watching this film and
[2:53] Speaker 2: I'm like, I've heard Matt Ryan's name brought up and
[2:56] Speaker 2: I keep waiting for the Matt Ryan plays. I remember
[2:59] Speaker 2: Matt Ryan coming out of Boston College and it was
[3:01] Speaker 2: very clear that that was him and that Then Luke Keighley,
[3:05] Speaker 2: I lost to college after, but it was him and
[3:06] Speaker 2: a whole lot of just dudes. And he was finding
[3:08] Speaker 2: ways to win games. I don't know if I see
[3:11] Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza as the same kind of engine of an
[3:13] Speaker 2: offense at the NFL level that people might see as
[3:17] Speaker 2: far as some of my buddies on the media space.
[3:19] Speaker 1: Well, I think it's an interesting question with him because
[3:22] Speaker 1: he's going to a very interesting quarterback division, right? Where,
[3:27] Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know what it'll mean that Patrick
[3:31] Speaker 1: Mahomes had a torn ACL, right? Like, I still think
[3:33] Speaker 1: that he'll be upper echelon quarterback in the NFL, but also,
[3:37] Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is now going into his 10th season in
[3:40] Speaker 1: the NFL. Like, it's possible that we've seen the best
[3:44] Speaker 1: of him, which obviously doesn't mean he can't be very good, but...
[3:48] Speaker 1: The future for the Chiefs, hey, they have a quarterback
[3:50] Speaker 1: that's getting to the 30s and coming off a major injury.
[3:55] Speaker 1: I'm still not falling for that Bo Nix shit. I
[3:57] Speaker 1: know some people have and good for them. I'm still
[4:00] Speaker 1: not quite there. Justin Herbert, all the talent in the world,
[4:03] Speaker 1: but it still feels like maybe we're falling for that one. Yep.
[4:07] Speaker 1: But all the same, those are three talented quarterbacks in
[4:10] Speaker 1: the division. They needed a quarterback. The question is, what
[4:15] Speaker 1: level of quarterback do you need if you're going to
[4:17] Speaker 1: be the Raiders? If you're the Seahawks and you can
[4:19] Speaker 1: get pressure with four in the Super Bowl and don't
[4:22] Speaker 1: have to blitz people, then you can win it with
[4:24] Speaker 1: a Sam Darnold level of quarterback. The Raiders could be wrong, man.
[4:29] Speaker 1: I just don't feel like they're going to beat a
[4:30] Speaker 1: team to build a team around you where all your
[4:32] Speaker 1: quarterback has to do is be okay.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's the terrible spot that the
[4:37] Speaker 2: Raiders find themselves in is that best case scenario, Clint
[4:40] Speaker 2: Kubiak continues to be a good play caller and Fernando
[4:43] Speaker 2: Mendoza turns out to be a good pro and you
[4:45] Speaker 2: still have the fourth best head coach and fourth best
[4:48] Speaker 2: quarterback in your division. That is entirely possible. And that's
[4:52] Speaker 2: not me saying that I'm a big Bo Nix fan,
[4:54] Speaker 2: but just what he can do. You can 100% see
[4:56] Speaker 2: a kid like him. I can't even say kid because
[4:58] Speaker 2: he left college so damn old, but you can see
[5:00] Speaker 2: a player like him being able to last in this
[5:02] Speaker 2: league a lot longer because of his mobility and some
[5:05] Speaker 2: of his raw arm talent than maybe a Mendoza will.
[5:08] Speaker 2: And that's not to say that I think that Mendoza
[5:09] Speaker 2: is going to fail, but I think that you can't
[5:12] Speaker 2: say with the same kind of certainty that you typically
[5:14] Speaker 2: would in a draft that your number one overall pick
[5:17] Speaker 2: is going to be here eight years from now, still
[5:19] Speaker 2: be a plus starter and be contributing to winning.
[5:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is. Let's say it doesn't work out for him.
[5:26] Speaker 1: We'll never know exactly why he go into the Raiders. Right.
[5:29] Speaker 3: Exactly. Exactly.
[5:31] Speaker 2: But you're still being owned by Mark Davis. You got
[5:34] Speaker 2: a first year head coach here. Your best football player
[5:37] Speaker 2: was out the door and got sent back home. Right.
[5:39] Speaker 2: Because some parts weren't right in the show. You know,
[5:42] Speaker 2: they didn't ship exactly what they said they were shipping.
[5:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[5:45] Speaker 2: The Raven said, you know, like there's there's it's entirely
[5:48] Speaker 2: possible that this goes as well as it possibly can.
[5:52] Speaker 2: And you are still looking at a five and 12
[5:53] Speaker 2: team that's got to fire his coach and be right
[5:56] Speaker 2: back to picking in the top five of the draft
[5:57] Speaker 2: in a couple of years.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Hey, man, who's your guy in this draft? Not quarterback necessarily.
[6:02] Speaker 1: Just guy.
[6:03] Speaker 2: Can you have a guy in this draft?
[6:05] Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm hung up on. The love, dude.
[6:09] Speaker 2: I think Jeremiah Love will probably be my guy right
[6:12] Speaker 2: to the extent that I could have one in this draft.
[6:14] Speaker 2: And to me, I don't know if he's so good.
[6:16] Speaker 2: You can't claim him as your guy. The real thing is. OK.
[6:19] Speaker 1: OK. So you you want to feel special.
[6:22] Speaker 2: Exactly. You know, it needs to be me on an island. Right.
[6:25] Speaker 2: Like I think that for some of me and my
[6:27] Speaker 2: draft buddies, the flag that I'm planting right now is
[6:30] Speaker 2: probably on Caden McDonald. If you wanted like a deep
[6:32] Speaker 2: cut type of player. Because if you go look at
[6:34] Speaker 2: his college production, you're talking about 31 solo tackles as
[6:37] Speaker 2: a 330 pound nose tackle. And I'm writing, I'm working
[6:40] Speaker 2: on something now in terms of storylines going into the draft.
[6:43] Speaker 2: And one of the things that I was thinking about
[6:45] Speaker 2: is that if his production was pasted over on Jordan
[6:49] Speaker 2: Davis coming out of Georgia, Jordan Davis would have been
[6:51] Speaker 2: the third overall pick. I think that this is truly
[6:54] Speaker 2: just a brand name issue and the fact that he
[6:56] Speaker 2: was playing with other monsters on Ohio State's defense. But
[7:00] Speaker 2: you look at his production, his TFLs, his sacks, he
[7:03] Speaker 2: was more productive than Vita Vail was coming out of
[7:05] Speaker 2: Washington however long ago that was. And I don't feel
[7:08] Speaker 2: like people talk about Caden McDonald as potentially being one
[7:11] Speaker 2: of those game-wrecking forces on the interior. But that's kind
[7:14] Speaker 2: of where we're at in this draft, man. We're talking
[7:16] Speaker 2: about D-tackles, you know, about 24 hours, a little more
[7:19] Speaker 2: than 24 hours away from the start of day one.
[7:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, but I feel like There's an argument to
[7:24] Speaker 1: be made that this draft is going to fuck around
[7:26] Speaker 1: and get Ryan Day fired. Every time I look up
[7:29] Speaker 1: and somebody's talking about this draft, it's some Ohio State monster.
[7:35] Speaker 2: And it's the truth. It's the damn truth. And I
[7:37] Speaker 2: feel like the reason why they're not a two-time champion
[7:40] Speaker 2: is because of the guy playing quarterback. And I happened
[7:42] Speaker 2: to coach against that quarterback, and he was great in
[7:44] Speaker 2: high school, but I think that all the questions that
[7:46] Speaker 2: exist in terms of what he can be at the
[7:48] Speaker 2: college level and at the next level are totally valid.
[7:51] Speaker 2: And that ultimately is going to fall on on a
[7:53] Speaker 2: guy like Brian Day, and if they lose, and in
[7:56] Speaker 2: losing Brian Hartline, if they're not able to bring in
[7:58] Speaker 2: those dynamite wide receivers year over year and develop them
[8:01] Speaker 2: in the first round picks or top 15 picks, then
[8:04] Speaker 2: we might have to bring that conversation up again about
[8:06] Speaker 2: whether or not he's good enough to continue on as
[8:08] Speaker 2: Ohio State's head coach. A program that does not feel
[8:11] Speaker 2: good about winning 10 games, and it's probably the only one,
[8:14] Speaker 2: you know, north of the Mason-Dixon line that gets to
[8:16] Speaker 2: say that they can operate that way.
[8:18] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[8:19] Speaker 1: So how rigid are you on, like, positional value when
[8:22] Speaker 1: it comes to the draft?
[8:24] Speaker 2: I would say it's not a guiding principle for me.
[8:26] Speaker 2: It can be a tiebreaker, but it's not a guiding
[8:28] Speaker 2: principle for me. And it's funny that we're talking about
[8:30] Speaker 2: Katie McDonald as a defensive tackle and Jeremiah Love as
[8:33] Speaker 2: a running back in that context. Because if you were
[8:36] Speaker 2: to draft Jeremiah Love, let's say third overall, because I
[8:38] Speaker 2: know that there's some smoke out there that Arizona might
[8:40] Speaker 2: be interested, he would be making more than Josh Jacobs
[8:43] Speaker 2: is making right now coming into the league. And that's
[8:46] Speaker 2: pretty rich, but I watch Jeremiah Love and I'm like,
[8:49] Speaker 2: why can't he be better than Josh Jacobs right now
[8:52] Speaker 2: in the league? Like, I think that It's aspirational to
[8:55] Speaker 2: draw this comp. And I think that maybe some people
[8:57] Speaker 2: who didn't watch Kansas City at the time might not
[8:59] Speaker 2: appreciate it. But I watched Jeremiah Love and I see
[9:01] Speaker 2: Jamal Charles. And if Jamal Charles was being dropped in
[9:04] Speaker 2: this draft right now, you would be talking about him
[9:06] Speaker 2: like he was going to be a top five, top
[9:08] Speaker 2: 10 pick. So like I said, it's not the end
[9:11] Speaker 2: all be all for me. I do think that you
[9:13] Speaker 2: have to weigh it. But ultimately, the shit that matters
[9:15] Speaker 2: is what's on tape. And Jeremiah Love is the best
[9:18] Speaker 2: player in this draft. And the only reason why he's
[9:20] Speaker 2: not going number one overall is because of the two
[9:23] Speaker 2: letters next to his name. and not what he is
[9:25] Speaker 2: as a football player.
[9:26] Speaker 1: Well, in line with that, are you surprised that the
[9:29] Speaker 1: Bengals were willing to give up the number 10 pick
[9:31] Speaker 1: in the draft to pay a defensive tackle $ 28 million
[9:34] Speaker 1: extra when you might have been able to get one
[9:36] Speaker 1: cheaper in this draft?
[9:38] Speaker 2: Surprised that Dexter Lawrence could go for that? No. Surprised
[9:41] Speaker 2: that Cincinnati would do that? Yes.
[9:43] Speaker 1: There you go.
[9:44] Speaker 2: I think that that's the real conversation, right, is that
[9:47] Speaker 2: they would give away a top 10 pick. You're assuming
[9:50] Speaker 2: that with a quarterback and two wide receivers, that should
[9:52] Speaker 2: be good enough to where you're not picking– in the
[9:54] Speaker 2: top 10 and that you would give that away for
[9:56] Speaker 2: a defensive tackle approaching 30 who wants to be paid, which.
[10:00] Speaker 2: I know Bengals fans were happy with me when I
[10:01] Speaker 2: tweeted it out a few days ago, but that sounds
[10:03] Speaker 2: very similar to an edge rusher who was approaching 30
[10:06] Speaker 2: a couple seasons ago, and looked around and said, where's
[10:08] Speaker 2: my guaranteed money? And Cincinnati said, your guaranteed money is
[10:12] Speaker 2: what we already paid you. You're going to play out
[10:14] Speaker 2: this contract, brother. All right?
[10:16] Speaker 1: Why are you asking questions you know the answer to, player?
[10:18] Speaker 2: Exactly. Why are you coming over here and tapping my pockets, dog?
[10:21] Speaker 2: You spent it. That's where your money is. You see
[10:23] Speaker 2: that house you're living in? You spent it. That car
[10:26] Speaker 2: you drove up in here? That's where your guaranteed money went.
[10:28] Speaker 2: Why are you talking to me?
[10:29] Speaker 3: All right?
[10:30] Speaker 1: So.
[10:31] Speaker 2: I think that that was a bigger shock for me,
[10:33] Speaker 2: but I do think that's instructive when we talk about
[10:35] Speaker 2: the draft in terms of, like, the way that these
[10:37] Speaker 2: picks are going to be moved is going to be
[10:39] Speaker 2: different than what we typically associate in terms of draft
[10:42] Speaker 2: pick value because teams are kind of, I think, acquiescent
[10:45] Speaker 2: to the fact that you're not going to find a
[10:47] Speaker 2: blue-chip prospect, I don't think, once you get outside of, like,
[10:50] Speaker 2: the top eight or so.
[10:52] Speaker 1: Where are you on Reuben Bain? And I ask that because, like,
[10:57] Speaker 1: it's 2026. His name is Reuben, and he play like
[11:00] Speaker 1: a Reuben. And the value of having him. That bro
[11:02] Speaker 1: looked like a Reuben too. Yeah, yeah.
[11:05] Speaker 2: He's like you.
[11:06] Speaker 1: With the great transcript, but the MSAT scores ain't really hitting, right?
[11:09] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[11:10] Speaker 1: Everything that you see tells you he's going to be
[11:12] Speaker 1: a beast, except he measures poorly at maybe the place
[11:16] Speaker 1: most important, most people would say, for your defense, allow
[11:18] Speaker 1: me to measure, which is arm length. And he out here,
[11:21] Speaker 1: you know, he right here. You know what I'm saying?
[11:24] Speaker 1: He ain't got it. He ain't got it. He's Mr.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Potato Head when it comes to that part. Where would
[11:28] Speaker 1: you go with him?
[11:30] Speaker 2: I think once you're outside of that top eight-ish, I
[11:33] Speaker 2: think he's in play. I've been consistently mocking him in
[11:36] Speaker 2: the top five when we do these mock drafts, just
[11:38] Speaker 2: based off of what you hear from people around the
[11:41] Speaker 2: league and people who are tuned in to executives around
[11:44] Speaker 2: the league. But if it were me and my pick,
[11:46] Speaker 2: anytime you see that percentile and it's less than five
[11:51] Speaker 2: at any critical factor, and we're talking about, you know,
[11:54] Speaker 2: first percentile arm length for edge rushers, it is really
[11:57] Speaker 2: hard for me to look past that especially when you
[12:00] Speaker 2: think about what makes for a successful edge rusher in
[12:02] Speaker 2: the league. It's funny. I was listening yesterday to you
[12:04] Speaker 2: and Nate Tice talk about the 2011 draft and talk
[12:07] Speaker 2: about guys like Robert Quinn. And you guys started going
[12:09] Speaker 2: down memory lane to some of those other players that
[12:11] Speaker 2: we don't think about that have 100 plus sacks and
[12:13] Speaker 2: played for over a decade in the league. And that
[12:16] Speaker 2: arm length shows up because the moment that something goes
[12:19] Speaker 2: wrong with Reuben Bain, whether you're playing against an elite
[12:21] Speaker 2: tackle or you lose a step or you do suffer
[12:24] Speaker 2: an injury and now you don't have that great burst,
[12:26] Speaker 2: that great get off, Are you going to be able
[12:28] Speaker 2: to turn the corner on a Panay Sewell with first
[12:30] Speaker 2: percentile arm length? I'm not so certain. I'm just not
[12:34] Speaker 2: so certain. And to me, if you're talking to edge rushers,
[12:36] Speaker 2: I love who he is as a player. He's like
[12:38] Speaker 2: a Tasmanian devil in terms of fitting the run and
[12:41] Speaker 2: setting edges. But that don't get you paid top five
[12:44] Speaker 2: pick money. And if it were me, especially now with
[12:47] Speaker 2: all the news about the car accident and people in
[12:50] Speaker 2: the league can say whatever they want about what they
[12:52] Speaker 2: knew and what they're OK with. You're telling me you're
[12:54] Speaker 2: bringing in baggage, you got short arms, and I'm not
[12:56] Speaker 2: sure about exactly what your ceiling is going to be,
[12:59] Speaker 2: or that you might have to wait until we get
[13:00] Speaker 2: past pick 12 or something like that.
[13:03] Speaker 1: So if he was like 285 instead of 260, could
[13:07] Speaker 1: you think maybe you could move him inside and make
[13:09] Speaker 1: something happen? Absolutely. Like you kind of do with guards
[13:11] Speaker 1: and tackles on offense?
[13:13] Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah. We were talking about a 285, 290-pound guy
[13:15] Speaker 2: who has short arms but played the way that he played.
[13:20] Speaker 2: Get ready to learn three technique, buddy. You ever watch
[13:23] Speaker 2: some Warren Sapp? You ever watch any of those guys?
[13:29] Speaker 2: Let's get you on the interior and talk about beating
[13:32] Speaker 2: some double teams and using that swim move on pass rushes.
[13:36] Speaker 2: That's where I would have him, and I don't think
[13:37] Speaker 2: that he's going to be able to play that way
[13:38] Speaker 2: in the league. And I think that if you're a
[13:40] Speaker 2: team that's drafting him, while you love the tape and
[13:43] Speaker 2: you can make an argument that he's the best edge
[13:45] Speaker 2: rusher coming into the class, I just don't know, man.
[13:47] Speaker 2: You're going to have a hard time convincing me that
[13:49] Speaker 2: this is going to work out when you look up three,
[13:51] Speaker 2: four years from now.
[13:52] Speaker 1: Hey, man, what's the story on this Jordan Tyson fella?
[13:55] Speaker 1: I had never heard of him. Now apparently everybody wants
[13:57] Speaker 1: to give him zillions of dollars.
[13:59] Speaker 2: My comparison for him is kind of like a Stefan
[14:02] Speaker 2: Diggs-esque receiver, right? Who is a number one receiver by name,
[14:07] Speaker 2: maybe not a number one wide receiver by the platonic
[14:10] Speaker 2: ideal of what you're thinking of, right? Because he's a
[14:12] Speaker 2: player you can feed targets to. He can play in
[14:14] Speaker 2: the slot. He can separate. I think his catch radius
[14:17] Speaker 2: is actually a lot better than what he gets credit for.
[14:19] Speaker 2: I think he gets knocked for injuries and you watch
[14:22] Speaker 2: some of the clips where he does get hurt on.
[14:23] Speaker 2: I think, especially at Colorado, I think that that clip's
[14:25] Speaker 2: gone around a bunch where he gets left hanging over
[14:27] Speaker 2: in the middle of the field and he gets absolutely smoked.
[14:30] Speaker 2: And I think that's where he tears up his knee.
[14:32] Speaker 2: I understand why some people might be concerned because you
[14:34] Speaker 2: don't just see this physically dominating type of prospect. You
[14:38] Speaker 2: don't see Jamar chase level ability after the catch, but man,
[14:41] Speaker 2: I watched that dude run routes and he's a better, he's,
[14:44] Speaker 2: He's what people thought Jerry Judy was supposed to be
[14:46] Speaker 2: coming out of Alabama is what I would say. If
[14:49] Speaker 2: I were to try to find a more recent comp,
[14:51] Speaker 2: I think that he is a better route runner than
[14:53] Speaker 2: Jerry Judy. I think his hands and his ball tracking
[14:55] Speaker 2: is a little bit better than Judy. And I think
[14:57] Speaker 2: that his ceiling is higher than a player like that
[14:59] Speaker 2: as well. I don't think that that makes him a
[15:01] Speaker 2: top five pick the way that people are talking about
[15:03] Speaker 2: the Giants being interested in him. But I do think
[15:06] Speaker 2: that he's the most talented receiver overall in this class.
[15:09] Speaker 1: I thought that Jerry Judy, now Henry Ruggs, obviously it
[15:12] Speaker 1: was something else. But I thought that that was the
[15:15] Speaker 1: best set of wide receivers I had ever seen on
[15:17] Speaker 1: a college team. I mean, Jaden Waddell, young Jaden Waddell nonetheless,
[15:20] Speaker 1: but he was the fourth one at one point, and
[15:22] Speaker 1: Devontae Smith was the third.
[15:24] Speaker 2: Right. And then Devontae Smith put up Jerry Rice numbers
[15:29] Speaker 2: in his last year at Alabama. And I don't think
[15:31] Speaker 2: that anybody would have projected that he was going to
[15:33] Speaker 2: be the guy out of that group to go do it.
[15:35] Speaker 2: They were so stacked. I mean, they just had Henry
[15:37] Speaker 2: Ruggs playing out there, damn near on the sideline to
[15:39] Speaker 2: the field, and hey, buddy, just go run deep. And
[15:42] Speaker 2: if we get one on one, we're going to throw
[15:43] Speaker 2: it to you deep. Right. That that's how they were
[15:45] Speaker 2: able to use their wide receivers. And that's not even
[15:47] Speaker 2: mentioned in the fact that they had Josh Jacobs playing
[15:50] Speaker 2: running back there at one point in time. And they
[15:52] Speaker 2: still had, you know, a Nick Saban defense. I might
[15:54] Speaker 2: not have been 2012 Nick Saban defense, but was still
[15:58] Speaker 2: good enough to go win you a title. So, yeah,
[16:00] Speaker 2: I think that I think that, again, you know, Tyson
[16:03] Speaker 2: could have fit in in that mode and been like
[16:04] Speaker 2: a Jerry Judah. And I think in the league he
[16:06] Speaker 2: can be a high end number two, low end number one.
[16:09] Speaker 2: type of option, just not a guy. Again, I feel
[16:11] Speaker 2: like I'm going to be a broken record today. Not
[16:13] Speaker 2: a guy I would want to base my job security
[16:15] Speaker 2: off of. If I'm Joe Shane and I'm getting fired anyway,
[16:18] Speaker 2: I ain't about to have a wide receiver picked in
[16:20] Speaker 2: the top five that ain't Julio Jones or A.J. Green
[16:23] Speaker 2: attached to my resume.
[16:25] Speaker 1: You know what, man? I can't even lie. That's a
[16:27] Speaker 1: good 15 minutes to talk about the draft. You know
[16:29] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I feel like that's enough to justify
[16:31] Speaker 1: when we put it on YouTube and we say NFL
[16:34] Speaker 1: draft preview and they go ahead and click them. They
[16:36] Speaker 1: can feel like they got what they deserve. Because you
[16:38] Speaker 1: led us into what I consider to be a proper
[16:41] Speaker 1: segue since we got to talking about Devontae Smith, who
[16:44] Speaker 1: had been one of the best number two receivers in
[16:46] Speaker 1: the NFL. Apparently, he's about to be one of the
[16:49] Speaker 1: best number one receivers in the NFL. And that would
[16:52] Speaker 1: be because the Eagles, it sounds though, through all reporting,
[16:56] Speaker 1: are going to trade A.J. Brown after June 1st to
[17:00] Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Now, we'll get to the Patriots
[17:03] Speaker 1: part of this in just a second. I had said
[17:05] Speaker 1: that I would believe that the Eagles were trading A.J.
[17:09] Speaker 1: Brown when I saw it because I just don't believe
[17:12] Speaker 1: that they're a bunch of losers. This seems so very
[17:15] Speaker 1: clearly to me to be a loser move because he
[17:18] Speaker 1: hasn't said anything that wasn't true, right? People have asked,
[17:23] Speaker 1: and I don't even think he's really been that much
[17:24] Speaker 1: of a jerk about it. The book on the sideline
[17:26] Speaker 1: I do think was going a little extra, but it's
[17:28] Speaker 1: not like he's out here insulting people. He hasn't shown
[17:31] Speaker 1: his quarterback up on the field or any of that stuff.
[17:34] Speaker 1: Maybe he just wanted out, right? And maybe I don't
[17:37] Speaker 1: know what the package is that they feel like they
[17:39] Speaker 1: can get back. I don't know why Buffalo, for what
[17:40] Speaker 1: it's worth, also wouldn't be trying to jump in this
[17:42] Speaker 1: just as hard as they were. But I will always
[17:45] Speaker 1: look at this as being an indictment of the Eagles
[17:48] Speaker 1: more than A.J. Brown if they really decide they're going
[17:50] Speaker 1: to get rid of somebody that good just because he's
[17:52] Speaker 1: telling y'all this shit ain't good enough.
[17:55] Speaker 2: It's so funny, man. I get berated by Eagles fans,
[17:58] Speaker 2: which is funny in its own right, right? Because I'm
[18:00] Speaker 2: in their community. You can't get rid of me. And
[18:03] Speaker 2: you can't make me hate this team. You can't hate
[18:05] Speaker 2: me any more than I hate this team sometimes, okay?
[18:08] Speaker 2: I am very much a spiritual Negadelfian, as they say. But, yeah,
[18:13] Speaker 2: I mean, to me, I think if you were to
[18:14] Speaker 2: lay out just a timeline of events, you're talking about
[18:18] Speaker 2: a guy being shipped out and wanting to be out
[18:21] Speaker 2: and being frustrated and the fans being frustrated with him
[18:24] Speaker 2: because after he won a Super Bowl, after a relatively
[18:26] Speaker 2: down offensive year, he came back to the locker room
[18:29] Speaker 2: and said, after I thought about it, I actually enjoy
[18:32] Speaker 2: just whooping a corner's ass more than holding up the
[18:35] Speaker 2: Lombardi trophy, which– I can't speak for fans, but for
[18:38] Speaker 2: me as a football person, that's the kind of wide
[18:40] Speaker 2: receiver I want. I need you to be unhinged enough
[18:43] Speaker 2: to operate on that kind of paradigm.
[18:45] Speaker 1: Not just operate on the paradigm. Say it out loud.
[18:49] Speaker 2: Exactly. After you won a championship.
[18:52] Speaker 1: Right, exactly. I now know for a fact this is
[18:56] Speaker 1: no longer speculation.
[18:57] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[18:58] Speaker 1: I've done both. That other thing was cool.
[19:01] Speaker 2: It's better. It's just better. The trophy is nice. It's cool.
[19:05] Speaker 2: It's shiny. I see my reflection in it. I like
[19:08] Speaker 2: looking in a corner's eyes and this motherfucking knowing he
[19:11] Speaker 2: can't fuck with me at all. That brings me more joy.
[19:14] Speaker 2: That's the kind of wide receiver I want. And then
[19:16] Speaker 2: this year, you think about that gaming stream where he's
[19:19] Speaker 2: on Madden and he's talking about, you know, sounding like
[19:21] Speaker 2: a homeboy in the boondocks when he and Riley go
[19:25] Speaker 2: back to Chicago about struggle is up, brother. Hey, oppression
[19:30] Speaker 2: is up, brother. I'm not getting a rock. That's what
[19:33] Speaker 2: that's really what's going to make me happy here. And
[19:35] Speaker 2: I can't get my hands on it. And that he
[19:37] Speaker 2: was right, ultimately, about the design of the offense being
[19:40] Speaker 2: off over the last two years, that he was right
[19:42] Speaker 2: about the fact that good things happen when I get
[19:44] Speaker 2: the ball. And ultimately, I think that what happened here
[19:47] Speaker 2: is what typically happens with the team that just won
[19:49] Speaker 2: a title. Everybody, you know, kind of rallies around the
[19:52] Speaker 2: quarterback and the quarterback can do no wrong. And the
[19:55] Speaker 2: moment that that wide receiver drops a pass, the moment
[19:57] Speaker 2: that that wide receiver misses a block on a run,
[20:00] Speaker 2: the moment that wide receiver jogs on a route instead
[20:02] Speaker 2: of sprinting all the way through when the ball is
[20:03] Speaker 2: overthrown as a result, Now it's all that guy's fault.
[20:06] Speaker 2: And now he's got to go. And I'm right there
[20:09] Speaker 2: with you. I wouldn't have imagined that Philadelphia would be
[20:11] Speaker 2: the team to say, hey, we know you're the better
[20:13] Speaker 2: player in this drama. We know that we win championships
[20:17] Speaker 2: and compete for championships because of you. But this is
[20:19] Speaker 2: an untenable situation. We got to send you off to
[20:21] Speaker 2: another team that wants to win a championship because we
[20:24] Speaker 2: can't look at our quarterback. And maybe this is changing,
[20:26] Speaker 2: but we haven't been able to look at our quarterback
[20:28] Speaker 2: and our head coach and whatever offensive coordinator is in
[20:31] Speaker 2: the building and say, anytime he don't touch the ball,
[20:33] Speaker 2: it's y'all fault. And if he's got a problem with y'all,
[20:37] Speaker 2: we got a problem with y'all too.
[20:39] Speaker 1: So that's the thing that I also found interesting in
[20:42] Speaker 1: this is that that long ESPN report seemed to announce
[20:48] Speaker 1: to the world that the Eagles themselves find the Jalen
[20:51] Speaker 1: Hurts experience to be somewhat untenable, at least if it
[20:53] Speaker 1: continues at the rate at which it is going, right?
[20:57] Speaker 1: That's how they seem to feel about it. But they
[20:59] Speaker 1: still clearly decided, all right, ride this out, right? One
[21:04] Speaker 1: more year, you're going to be the one to do this. Okay.
[21:10] Speaker 1: And maybe you just decide that A.J. Brown at 29
[21:12] Speaker 1: years old, you don't know how long this will go,
[21:14] Speaker 1: so you can't stand to put up with one more
[21:17] Speaker 1: year of this discord or whatever it is that they
[21:19] Speaker 1: have in between them. I don't know. I feel like, though,
[21:22] Speaker 1: you're really putting your quarterback on the clock even more so. Like,
[21:26] Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about what about if these two
[21:28] Speaker 1: fellas go, like, hang out for the weekend or something
[21:31] Speaker 1: like that. Like, maybe that's happened. Maybe there's been the
[21:34] Speaker 1: grand attempt to hash it out and we just haven't
[21:36] Speaker 1: found out about it. But the Eagles are going to
[21:39] Speaker 1: be worse for this. And I just don't feel like
[21:41] Speaker 1: they could be a team that's in the business of
[21:43] Speaker 1: getting worse.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Well, the report is one thing. And this is one
[21:46] Speaker 2: thing I really enjoy about Philadelphia is that they always
[21:48] Speaker 2: have some kind of drama. You know, there's always some
[21:51] Speaker 2: histrionics going on with the organization. But the great thing
[21:54] Speaker 2: about them is that they are easy to read because
[21:56] Speaker 2: Jeffrey Lurie speaks with his money. And if he believes
[21:59] Speaker 2: that you're a guy you can win a title with,
[22:01] Speaker 2: that extension gets done. If Howie Roseman believes that you're
[22:04] Speaker 2: a player that will help boost this team towards winning
[22:06] Speaker 2: a championship, the extensions get done early.
[22:09] Speaker 1: Right.
[22:10] Speaker 2: And it's for long term money. And they're willing to
[22:12] Speaker 2: do whatever cap games they need to to make the
[22:14] Speaker 2: math work out in the end. And it was very
[22:16] Speaker 2: telling to me that around the same time that report
[22:18] Speaker 2: came out, which is when owners meetings were happening. Somebody pulled,
[22:22] Speaker 2: you know, the reporters had Jeffrey Lurie to the side
[22:24] Speaker 2: and they were asking, hey, so what's going on with
[22:27] Speaker 2: Jalen's contract situation? We're planning to extend them. Right. And
[22:30] Speaker 2: that Jeffrey Lurie, excuse me, thought that you were talking
[22:33] Speaker 2: about Jalen Carter and not Jalen Hurts. Because Jalen Hurts'
[22:37] Speaker 2: money is not even a conversation right now.
[22:39] Speaker 1: Okay?
[22:41] Speaker 2: That's where I think heads are at in Philadelphia.
[22:44] Speaker 1: You say Jalen Carter, he's like, yeah, no brainer.
[22:47] Speaker 2: Right. Exactly. We got no problem with that. No, that
[22:50] Speaker 2: money is being worked on right now. True Rosenhouse is
[22:52] Speaker 2: on the other line. We're going to make that one work.
[22:54] Speaker 2: That other Jalen guy, hey, buddy, you're going to have
[22:58] Speaker 2: to make something shake if you want to get paid again.
[23:00] Speaker 2: And I think that if things don't go well this year,
[23:03] Speaker 2: the same way we got this report coming out before
[23:05] Speaker 2: the draft, I think we were going to hear it much,
[23:07] Speaker 2: much earlier, the same way we did with Carson Wentz
[23:10] Speaker 2: about a half decade ago, that people are starting to
[23:12] Speaker 2: get tired of whatever leadership, former leadership that Jalen is
[23:16] Speaker 2: putting out there, that they're tired and don't feel like
[23:18] Speaker 2: you can win a championship with this guy, that they
[23:21] Speaker 2: lost a number one wide receiver to another contender for it.
[23:24] Speaker 2: This is just the way things go. Ultimately, the best
[23:27] Speaker 2: thing about Philadelphia is that we're going to look up
[23:29] Speaker 2: in what is this six, eight months from now? And
[23:33] Speaker 2: it seems probably going to be nine and four, right?
[23:36] Speaker 2: Heading into the last month of the season and everybody's
[23:38] Speaker 2: going to be feeling great. But right now Jalen is
[23:41] Speaker 2: on the clock. And I think that he would be
[23:42] Speaker 2: wise to recognize that and to address some of the
[23:44] Speaker 2: things in that report that the team says that they
[23:47] Speaker 2: want to see from their quarterback going forward.
[23:49] Speaker 1: And the one thing he's got on his side though,
[23:51] Speaker 1: is the solution to Carson Wentz was taken Jalen Hurts in,
[23:55] Speaker 1: was it the third round, second round? I can't remember which. Yeah.
[23:59] Speaker 1: In 2020. what do they think they're going to do?
[24:03] Speaker 1: Todd Simpson, right? Like, like what is, what, what is,
[24:05] Speaker 1: what is the plan that leads you to the place?
[24:08] Speaker 1: Because otherwise I just don't know how readily and easily
[24:11] Speaker 1: you could just make the decision on what you're going
[24:12] Speaker 1: to do. Like, think about it. This says a lot
[24:14] Speaker 1: about this draft. The Arizona Cardinals do not have a
[24:18] Speaker 1: quarterback and we're hearing them talk about drafting a running
[24:22] Speaker 1: back running back in the top third overall pick.
[24:24] Speaker 2: Okay.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Like, whoa, that guy ain't there.
[24:29] Speaker 2: I think the drama starts. if the Eagles trade up
[24:33] Speaker 2: to go get a guy like Garrett Nussmeier in the
[24:35] Speaker 2: second or third round, right? If you see them put
[24:38] Speaker 2: some of that draft capital on the line to go
[24:40] Speaker 2: bring in another backup quarterback, because they already have three
[24:43] Speaker 2: on the roster, as is that plan that will be
[24:46] Speaker 2: on the active roster after they went and traded for
[24:48] Speaker 2: Andy Dalton. So if they go out and they bring
[24:49] Speaker 2: in a guy like Nussmeier, whose dad was a quarterback's
[24:52] Speaker 2: coach here a couple of years ago in Philadelphia. So
[24:56] Speaker 2: they've done a lot of background. They know the guy
[24:57] Speaker 2: very well. He was on the sideline for the Super
[25:00] Speaker 2: Bowl that they won in New Orleans. That's where I
[25:02] Speaker 2: think you start to see them maybe just looking over
[25:05] Speaker 2: the horizon and seeing what the next era might look
[25:09] Speaker 2: like in case they do have to make a move
[25:10] Speaker 2: on their current quarterback.
[25:12] Speaker 1: All right. Coming up next, the possibility is that A.J.
[25:16] Speaker 1: Brown may go to the Patriots. But that's not what
[25:20] Speaker 1: we're going to talk about.
[25:20] Speaker 2: That ain't what we're talking about at all.
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[28:28] Speaker 1: All right, we're back on with Deontay Lee from Duranger.
[28:32] Speaker 1: I will say this, though, that A.J. Brown trade, if
[28:34] Speaker 1: the Patriots do make that one, you guys will get better, right?
[28:38] Speaker 1: Like this is, regardless of what anybody else thinks about A.J. Brown,
[28:43] Speaker 1: clearly he's Mike Vrabel's kind of guy, right? Vrabel has,
[28:46] Speaker 1: I am sure that A.J. Brown is easier to deal
[28:49] Speaker 1: with now than he was when he was young. Just
[28:51] Speaker 1: know how people work. That's probably the case. So he
[28:54] Speaker 1: got a different version of him that was not experiencing
[28:57] Speaker 1: nearly the same level of team success that this other
[29:00] Speaker 1: one was. And he's still like not as kind of
[29:01] Speaker 1: guy we need in this building.
[29:03] Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I want to pair my young quarterback who
[29:07] Speaker 2: looked like a deer in the headlights in the playoffs
[29:09] Speaker 2: with this personality. This is not typically what people in
[29:12] Speaker 2: the league would say they want to pair their young
[29:14] Speaker 2: quarterback with. It says a lot about Mike Bray would say, yeah,
[29:16] Speaker 2: bring all that quote unquote bullshit over here. I know
[29:19] Speaker 2: what to do with this guy. He was fine when
[29:21] Speaker 2: he was with me, right? That is very, I think,
[29:23] Speaker 2: maybe appreciate to talk about relationships in this regard, but
[29:26] Speaker 2: this is very much a, oh, I know this headache.
[29:28] Speaker 2: I know exactly how to deal with this headache.
[29:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, look, maybe your hand ain't strong like mine.
[29:32] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You can't hold this down.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Mine answer the phone when I call. Look, A.J. Brown,
[29:37] Speaker 1: to me, even if he's not necessarily the best receiver,
[29:42] Speaker 1: there's something to be said for a dude, what do
[29:44] Speaker 1: you call himself, always open. He really is, though. Like
[29:47] Speaker 1: the Anquan Bolton archetype of, look, man, just throw it
[29:50] Speaker 1: over here, dog. I'll work it out.
[29:52] Speaker 2: I don't want to hear none of that coverage bullshit.
[29:54] Speaker 2: Don't tell me where the safety was at.
[29:55] Speaker 1: All right.
[29:56] Speaker 2: Did you see me? If you saw number 11, then
[29:59] Speaker 2: that's where the ball is supposed to be going.
[30:01] Speaker 3: Right.
[30:01] Speaker 1: That's it. And that I can't imagine how reassuring that
[30:05] Speaker 1: is for a young quarterback. Like you are probably too
[30:07] Speaker 1: young to remember this, but young Brett Favre had Sterling
[30:12] Speaker 1: Sharp and Sterling Sharp suffered the neck injury right before
[30:15] Speaker 1: it really blew up. Charlie Sharp had a year. We
[30:17] Speaker 1: had something like 130, 140 catches. And it was clear
[30:20] Speaker 1: that Brett Favre, who did not know what a nickel
[30:23] Speaker 1: defense was when he got to the NFL, he was
[30:25] Speaker 1: obviously not out there doing no quantum physics, man. He
[30:28] Speaker 1: was like, I'm throwing it to the dude that's always open.
[30:31] Speaker 3: Period.
[30:32] Speaker 2: That's a fact. That's a fact. I mean, I think
[30:34] Speaker 2: about Julio. That is exactly how I think about Julio Jones.
[30:37] Speaker 2: Is Matt Ryan new? Progression is great. What Kyle Shanahan
[30:41] Speaker 2: called through my helmet is awesome. What I want to
[30:45] Speaker 2: do is going to find that big transformer-looking motherfucker standing
[30:49] Speaker 2: on the outside. And the moment that it looks like
[30:52] Speaker 2: he's got a half a stride on a guy, that
[30:54] Speaker 2: ball is going in his direction, and I'm not going
[30:56] Speaker 2: to think twice about it.
[30:57] Speaker 1: Brother, Matthew Stafford had seven years of trading wheel passes.
[31:02] Speaker 1: Just throw the ball to Calvin Johnson. I am sure
[31:06] Speaker 1: he will know what to do.
[31:08] Speaker 2: I can't go wrong. You know the saying, can't go
[31:10] Speaker 2: broke taking a profit, man. I cannot go wrong getting
[31:13] Speaker 2: the ball to this dude out there.
[31:15] Speaker 1: But the thing with the Patriots, though, let's find out
[31:18] Speaker 1: how good they really are, right? Because they're not.
[31:21] Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, they weren't.
[31:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a couple of decent breaks.
[31:26] Speaker 2: I think, and decent is an understatement, right? I think C.J.
[31:29] Speaker 2: Shroud had a rough end to the season overall, but
[31:33] Speaker 2: five turnovers to get you to the AFC title game.
[31:36] Speaker 2: You could do a lot worse as a quarterback than
[31:38] Speaker 2: being able to sit on the ball because your opponent
[31:40] Speaker 2: is handing it away over and over again. not having
[31:43] Speaker 2: to see Bo Nix for all the frustrations that I
[31:45] Speaker 2: have with him as a player, not having to see
[31:47] Speaker 2: him at all, and then being able to play in
[31:50] Speaker 2: the weather, that's a great advantage to have as a
[31:52] Speaker 2: second-year quarterback. And this is just an offense that just
[31:55] Speaker 2: really wasn't all that great throughout the postseason, right? They
[31:58] Speaker 2: couldn't run the ball. They were very predictable running the ball.
[32:00] Speaker 2: And Drake May, I think week by week, which is
[32:03] Speaker 2: probably the most amazing thing to me about that playoff run,
[32:06] Speaker 2: you can make an argument that every time we saw
[32:08] Speaker 2: him on Sunday, he was a worse version of himself
[32:10] Speaker 2: than he was the week before. He's got progressively worse,
[32:14] Speaker 2: and I think that ultimately you need a guy like A.J. Brown,
[32:16] Speaker 2: I think, to be able to get a player like
[32:18] Speaker 2: Drake May out of his head when he can't tell
[32:21] Speaker 2: what defenses are doing or when he's trying to hold
[32:22] Speaker 2: the ball too long to try to push it downfield.
[32:25] Speaker 2: It feels very good to see a linebacker-sized human being
[32:29] Speaker 2: on that post route running right down the middle of
[32:31] Speaker 2: the field.
[32:32] Speaker 1: Well, I had mentioned that I thought that Buffalo needs
[32:34] Speaker 1: to make a run at this, and I think it's
[32:35] Speaker 1: interesting because Buffalo is in one of those weird years
[32:41] Speaker 1: where It was clear to me that Sean McDermott was
[32:44] Speaker 1: on the clock for this year. Apparently it wasn't clear
[32:47] Speaker 1: to anybody else, but the truth is they still got
[32:50] Speaker 1: to the divisional round of the playoffs. They had a
[32:52] Speaker 1: classic Buffalo ending of the season, but it was not
[32:55] Speaker 1: enough to save Sean McDermott's job. Now, granted, I think
[32:58] Speaker 1: McDermott had his time. I don't think they did him wrong,
[33:00] Speaker 1: but that is still telling everybody else that you're on
[33:03] Speaker 1: the clock here, including you first year head coach. you're
[33:07] Speaker 1: on the clock and starting off on the clock. Cause
[33:10] Speaker 1: you were, you was part of the problem, buddy. You
[33:12] Speaker 1: was here when we weren't getting it done. We are
[33:14] Speaker 1: clearly saying he's what's wrong and you're going to be
[33:17] Speaker 1: what's right. And if he ain't what's right, buddy.
[33:20] Speaker 2: Listen, they had to go back and try to clarify
[33:22] Speaker 2: the record because their owner came out and said that
[33:26] Speaker 2: coaching staff that brought in Keon Coleman as a wide
[33:28] Speaker 2: receiver is their fault that we don't have a number
[33:31] Speaker 2: one receiver in this room. And then they had to
[33:33] Speaker 2: go in the back room and be like, Hey, Oh yeah,
[33:35] Speaker 2: that's right. We're hiring the guy. off of that same staff,
[33:38] Speaker 2: the guy who was calling plays for this offense. He
[33:41] Speaker 2: is going to be our head coach and was part
[33:42] Speaker 2: of that decision-making process. So let's actually end up throwing
[33:46] Speaker 2: Sean McDermott a little bit further under the bus because
[33:48] Speaker 2: we're probably starting this off on the wrong foot. But
[33:50] Speaker 2: I do think, I'm surprised, you bringing them up, I'm
[33:53] Speaker 2: surprised that they went for DJ Moore instead of dealing
[33:56] Speaker 2: a first-round pick or whatever it would have taken to
[33:58] Speaker 2: go get an A.J. Brown. Because I absolutely would have
[34:01] Speaker 2: much rather have had Brown if I'm Josh Allen. I
[34:05] Speaker 2: went from Stephon Diggs, who was his own Head case,
[34:08] Speaker 2: so to speak. And now you're bringing in a guy
[34:10] Speaker 2: whose lasting memory in Chicago is him. I don't like
[34:14] Speaker 2: using a Q word, but maybe making a decision to
[34:17] Speaker 2: take himself out of the progression on that last interception
[34:20] Speaker 2: that Caleb Williams threw. And now I'm going to entrust
[34:23] Speaker 2: the entire passing game being built around that guy. When
[34:26] Speaker 2: I could have had the dude who was going to
[34:28] Speaker 2: throw an attitude if I don't get the ball, because
[34:31] Speaker 2: if you get me the ball on a slant, I'm
[34:32] Speaker 2: going to be throwing these DBs off me like I'm
[34:35] Speaker 2: like I'm, you know, Orlando Brown size playing against some
[34:38] Speaker 2: private school kids.
[34:39] Speaker 1: Right.
[34:39] Speaker 2: That's what I look like out on the perimeter. I
[34:41] Speaker 2: think that they would have been much better off getting
[34:43] Speaker 2: a guy like him. And now they might have to
[34:44] Speaker 2: face off against him twice in a division.
[34:47] Speaker 1: And then that becomes the next part. Now you have
[34:49] Speaker 1: to deal with him. Because you're right, going to get
[34:51] Speaker 1: DJ Morris, that's bargain shopping. Like, if it was that
[34:54] Speaker 1: clear to everybody else that A.J. Brown's going to be
[34:56] Speaker 1: in the market, I don't think you immediately go settle
[34:59] Speaker 1: with the bargain shop. And now maybe this is also
[35:00] Speaker 1: partially because if A.J. Brown wants to go to the Patriots,
[35:03] Speaker 1: then you don't want him... If he wants to go
[35:07] Speaker 1: to the Patriots, that means he doesn't want to go
[35:08] Speaker 1: to the Bills, right? Right. Maybe that's the argument that
[35:11] Speaker 1: you make, which I don't think is implausible because he
[35:13] Speaker 1: does not suffer silently, but it appears that he will
[35:16] Speaker 1: not be suffering if you just throw him the ball.
[35:18] Speaker 1: And I could be wrong, but Josh Allen seems like
[35:21] Speaker 1: the sort of dude who likes those kinds of guys.
[35:24] Speaker 2: Every time he's had a guy who's wanted the ball,
[35:26] Speaker 2: you know what happened? They got the ball a whole
[35:28] Speaker 2: goddamn lot.
[35:29] Speaker 1: All right.
[35:29] Speaker 2: He gave the ball to Stephon Diggs so damn much.
[35:31] Speaker 2: I wasn't sure he had anything left in his legs
[35:33] Speaker 2: when he was leaving Buffalo. It just looked like he
[35:35] Speaker 2: couldn't run anymore after getting hundreds upon hundreds of targets.
[35:39] Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that a guy like Josh Allen
[35:40] Speaker 2: absolutely wants to throw to a guy like that instead
[35:43] Speaker 2: of these two tight ends. I mean, it's nice having
[35:45] Speaker 2: Dawson Knox. It's nice, you know, to have a Khalil
[35:48] Speaker 2: Shakir as a slot receiver, undersized guy who can go
[35:52] Speaker 2: create after the catch. I want a dude who's going
[35:54] Speaker 2: to be lifting with me when we're in the weight room.
[35:56] Speaker 2: That's what I want to throw to. I want to
[35:58] Speaker 2: take my shirt off and him take his shirt off
[36:00] Speaker 2: and we both look like we've been doing the same
[36:01] Speaker 2: thing all offseason. That's how Josh Allen strikes me. as
[36:05] Speaker 2: a football player.
[36:07] Speaker 1: Hey, man. Did you see that press conference Mike Vrabel did?
[36:11] Speaker 2: I saw bits and pieces. Anytime I see the I
[36:16] Speaker 2: had tough conversations quotes, I got to be honest, my
[36:19] Speaker 2: eyes immediately start glazing.
[36:21] Speaker 1: Immediately start glazing over. So for people who don't know
[36:24] Speaker 1: about this, Mike Vrabel had been photographed at a resort
[36:29] Speaker 1: with a woman named Diana Rossini, who is an NFL
[36:33] Speaker 1: insider and has since resigned from her position at her
[36:36] Speaker 1: job for a whole host of reasons right we had
[36:40] Speaker 1: talked about this on the show if you don't remember
[36:42] Speaker 1: it's the one when me and Dominique was talking about
[36:44] Speaker 1: how they was interlocking fingers right okay um I've seen
[36:50] Speaker 1: a lot of people make the point about how it's
[36:52] Speaker 1: a double standard because Diana has to suffer consequences and
[36:55] Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel does not. And the truth is they do
[36:57] Speaker 1: different jobs and they answer to different people. This isn't
[37:02] Speaker 1: how double standards work because I assure you if people
[37:04] Speaker 1: thought Adam Schefter was fucking Mike Vrabel, it would be
[37:07] Speaker 1: a thing. It's not quite that. People want the world
[37:13] Speaker 1: to be fair. And in this situation, there's one person
[37:16] Speaker 1: that Mike Vrabel has to answer to in this. And
[37:19] Speaker 1: her last name is also Vrabel. And I got the
[37:22] Speaker 1: feeling that he has begun to do some answering to
[37:24] Speaker 1: her because Diana's responses to this have had an air
[37:27] Speaker 1: of defiance. And Mike Vrabel got up talking about all
[37:30] Speaker 1: these tough conversations that he's had. And he had to
[37:34] Speaker 1: come and he had to talk to the team about it.
[37:37] Speaker 1: And it's a personal matter and all of these things.
[37:40] Speaker 1: He tried to offer some measure of contrition while also
[37:44] Speaker 1: not saying anything about what exactly it was that he
[37:48] Speaker 1: was talking about. And what I found somewhat stunning than
[37:51] Speaker 1: it was not really stunning because I've been doing this
[37:53] Speaker 1: job for a while, but people allowed for this.
[37:57] Speaker 2: Right.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Right. He got up there and talked for all that time,
[38:01] Speaker 1: but never said what it is that he was talking about.
[38:05] Speaker 1: And I wish there had been one person that would
[38:07] Speaker 1: have raised their hand and been like, Hey man, I
[38:10] Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you, man. I've been out of
[38:12] Speaker 1: the country for like, three weeks. I have no idea
[38:16] Speaker 1: what it is that you're talking about. What were these
[38:20] Speaker 1: tough conversations about? Who were you? Why did you have
[38:23] Speaker 1: to tell the team? Could you just run that five minutes?
[38:26] Speaker 2: Why are you referencing your family?
[38:27] Speaker 1: The draft is in a couple days.
[38:30] Speaker 2: Why are we talking about the home life? I need
[38:32] Speaker 2: to understand exactly what's going on here.
[38:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, like somebody could artistly just be like, no, what? Guys,
[38:37] Speaker 1: what is it? I don't know. No, no, tell me. Like,
[38:42] Speaker 1: I feel left out, man, because somebody tell me exactly
[38:45] Speaker 1: what it is. And then another person around the room
[38:46] Speaker 1: would be like, he got caught with Diana at a
[38:51] Speaker 1: resort before the owner's meeting. You didn't hear anything about that? Mike,
[38:55] Speaker 1: that's what happened, right? It was you and Diana at
[38:57] Speaker 1: the owner's meeting? Was that what it was? Like, that
[39:00] Speaker 1: was what I wanted. Like, there's no way. If you
[39:03] Speaker 1: want to raise the question as to whether or not
[39:05] Speaker 1: he had to answer for it, that's on you. I
[39:07] Speaker 1: think it was impossible for him not to. But once
[39:10] Speaker 1: he did it, it's time to make it hard. Right. Right.
[39:13] Speaker 1: Once he did, it is time to make this difficult.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Well, and I think to that point, they just had
[39:19] Speaker 2: a press conference less than a week ago with the
[39:21] Speaker 2: GM where the head coach was auspiciously not there. okay
[39:27] Speaker 2: and they weren't taking questions about anything that had to
[39:29] Speaker 2: do with the head coach and the only quote we
[39:31] Speaker 2: got about the head coach was how involved he was
[39:33] Speaker 2: in the drafting process i thought that that was the
[39:36] Speaker 2: statement i thought that was new england doing the new
[39:38] Speaker 2: england thing and saying, hey, if you want to talk
[39:40] Speaker 2: to the people who are here about what we want
[39:42] Speaker 2: to talk to you about, that's it, and we're moving
[39:44] Speaker 2: forward from there. And for this to be done from
[39:47] Speaker 2: what seems like, from what I can track, was not
[39:50] Speaker 2: very widely announced, right? I don't think that this was
[39:54] Speaker 2: a very prepared thing that Mike Rabel was going to do.
[39:57] Speaker 2: I don't think that the Patriots organization had some master
[40:00] Speaker 2: plan where they were going to stagger out when people
[40:03] Speaker 2: were going to be available. And Mike Redwood don't strike
[40:06] Speaker 2: me as a man that in many phases of his
[40:07] Speaker 2: life has to walk into a door, hat in hand,
[40:10] Speaker 2: soft voiced, right? Shoulders slouched. He don't strike me as
[40:14] Speaker 2: that kind of person. And just seeing, seeing that besides
[40:17] Speaker 2: seeing him up at the podium, looking that way. I
[40:19] Speaker 2: was like, oh man, like you said, I think the
[40:21] Speaker 2: much tougher press conference, the much tougher questions were happening
[40:25] Speaker 2: behind the door that we can't get through. Okay. And
[40:27] Speaker 2: I would love to have been party to that combo.
[40:29] Speaker 1: They could not allow the first time that he spoke
[40:31] Speaker 1: to the media to be after they made draft picks.
[40:34] Speaker 3: Right.
[40:35] Speaker 1: That wasn't an option. They had to get it out
[40:38] Speaker 1: of there. You're right. Something has led Diana to believe
[40:45] Speaker 1: that she could continue to take that approach that she
[40:47] Speaker 1: was taking. Somebody was believing it. Nobody believed it when
[40:54] Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel tried it.
[40:56] Speaker 2: I want to word this properly because this is all
[41:00] Speaker 2: happening for a A former employer of mine, and I
[41:04] Speaker 2: have a lot of people over there that I have
[41:06] Speaker 2: a lot of respect for. I will say the first
[41:10] Speaker 2: 24 hours or so in the wake of that news
[41:12] Speaker 2: breaking and seeing big bosses, the kind of names that
[41:17] Speaker 2: you can't add to a direct message on your Slack
[41:19] Speaker 2: to get in touch with are coming out being very
[41:24] Speaker 2: puffed out chest and very sure that my employee is
[41:28] Speaker 2: going to be vindicated in this. And then to see
[41:30] Speaker 2: the reporting after the fact, which- All I can ask is,
[41:34] Speaker 2: what did you think was going to happen? You said
[41:36] Speaker 2: you were doing one thing. And then your boss comes
[41:38] Speaker 2: back and says, can you show me anybody that can
[41:42] Speaker 2: corroborate this one thing that you're saying was happening and
[41:45] Speaker 2: you don't have any evidence? I think we've all worked
[41:48] Speaker 2: jobs where we tried to say that we had to
[41:50] Speaker 2: miss work because of whatever circumstance. And we knew if
[41:53] Speaker 2: we got pushed to provide some kind of proof on
[41:55] Speaker 2: that measure, we would have been in some hot water.
[41:58] Speaker 1: Where is your doctor's note?
[42:00] Speaker 2: Okay?
[42:01] Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Flu bug. Flu bug.
[42:05] Speaker 2: We get it. Yeah, uh-huh. That affects everybody the same.
[42:08] Speaker 2: I want to see letterhead from whatever your medical group
[42:12] Speaker 2: in your local area saying that this is why you
[42:14] Speaker 2: can't be here. And the fact that you weren't.
[42:15] Speaker 1: Able to provide that. Could you please bring me a
[42:16] Speaker 1: program from your grandmother's funeral?
[42:18] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[42:19] Speaker 1: I didn't take one with y'all?
[42:22] Speaker 2: Damn, is that a flat itinerary?
[42:23] Speaker 1: Is that a newspaper, perhaps?
[42:25] Speaker 2: I need some kind of notification the flights were canceled.
[42:27] Speaker 2: I was watching the morning news. It ain't look like
[42:30] Speaker 2: no inclement weather to me when I was getting in
[42:32] Speaker 2: my car this morning. Okay?
[42:34] Speaker 1: No, it did not go, but she wrote that out.
[42:38] Speaker 1: I don't think Mike Vrabel got as far with that
[42:41] Speaker 1: story as she had. Mike Vrabel tried to walk in
[42:44] Speaker 1: with the, well, you know. And them arms got folded.
[42:48] Speaker 1: And he folded right after, right? Like nobody, nobody even
[42:54] Speaker 1: tried to believe him. In fact, Diana might have been
[42:56] Speaker 1: better off if nobody had believed her in the first place.
[42:59] Speaker 2: That's really the thing, right? I think she tried to
[43:01] Speaker 2: take the Eddie Murphy, the Eddie Murphy raw response. Wasn't me, okay?
[43:08] Speaker 2: Wasn't me. You did not see me. And it seems
[43:10] Speaker 2: like maybe Mike did try that. And like you said,
[43:13] Speaker 2: I think that he probably got halfway through whatever explanation
[43:15] Speaker 2: he was going through and made eye contact with who
[43:18] Speaker 2: he was delivering that message to and realized very quickly,
[43:21] Speaker 2: this ain't going to land in this audience.
[43:23] Speaker 1: I'm going to have to fix what I'm saying.
[43:24] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
[43:24] Speaker 1: His house, it wasn't going to land. And then before us,
[43:26] Speaker 1: I think the thing is, truthfully, there's no great explanation
[43:30] Speaker 1: for why it matters on our end. I've seen people
[43:32] Speaker 1: try to make the argument, well, maybe Mike Vrabel's been
[43:35] Speaker 1: tampering and telling that reporter too much. That's the game. Like,
[43:39] Speaker 1: the game is people telling and not telling truth. Regardless
[43:44] Speaker 1: of what it is in ways that serves them, right?
[43:46] Speaker 1: It's a big old game of liar's poker in that way.
[43:48] Speaker 1: Everybody's doing a little here, not doing a little there,
[43:50] Speaker 1: whatever it is. If you want to make a morals
[43:53] Speaker 1: clause argument that Mike Vrabel has embarrassed the operation, which
[43:57] Speaker 1: he most certainly did, Then you can do that again.
[44:00] Speaker 1: As I said before, the problem is the man that
[44:03] Speaker 1: can't say nothing to him about it is buddy from
[44:05] Speaker 1: the massage parlor. He don't get to come in here
[44:08] Speaker 1: and start making that sort of noise to my rebel.
[44:10] Speaker 1: So there's nothing. So therefore, he comes out here and
[44:12] Speaker 1: talks all this stuff. And the media guys are like, well, actually,
[44:15] Speaker 1: we don't really have anything to gain from this because
[44:17] Speaker 1: they're no real. consequences that are going to come from
[44:20] Speaker 1: asking these questions. Therefore, nobody asked the questions, but I
[44:25] Speaker 1: just wish one messy person would have got in there.
[44:28] Speaker 1: Like one TMZ mole would have snuck in and be like, Hey, Hey, Hey,
[44:33] Speaker 1: John Jackson, TMZ. Are you talking about when you were
[44:37] Speaker 1: with that woman that you're not married to guys, is
[44:41] Speaker 1: that what he's talking about? I can't really tell. Like,
[44:44] Speaker 1: is this how these work here? You just let people
[44:45] Speaker 1: be unclear like this.
[44:48] Speaker 2: Somebody had to point it out to me because I
[44:49] Speaker 2: didn't really realize it when the story broke that they
[44:53] Speaker 2: were two hours away from Phoenix. Okay. Sedona and Phoenix,
[44:58] Speaker 2: nice little drive away from each other. Okay. That's me
[45:04] Speaker 2: in San Diego going to LA. Okay.
[45:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[45:06] Speaker 2: And if I was in LA doing something untoward. And
[45:09] Speaker 2: I told my lady and everybody else that I was
[45:12] Speaker 2: actually in San Diego the entire time because of some
[45:15] Speaker 2: event that was happening in San Diego. And there was
[45:17] Speaker 2: pictures of me down in Englewood. There's no explanation. I'm
[45:21] Speaker 2: not supposed to be. You got me. Okay.
[45:23] Speaker 1: There's no.
[45:24] Speaker 2: You got me.
[45:25] Speaker 1: Your best bet is to start off in surrender mode, right?
[45:28] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[45:29] Speaker 1: We are down by three touchdowns with a minute left.
[45:35] Speaker 1: We could keep dropping back in passing. Or we could
[45:40] Speaker 1: kneel it out so that LT doesn't come around the
[45:43] Speaker 1: edge and break my back.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Listen, it was absurd when it happened, but I understood.
[45:48] Speaker 2: And you're in New York, so I'm sure you can
[45:50] Speaker 2: remember this. When Joe Judge was backed up to the
[45:52] Speaker 2: one-yard line with a horrible offense, he had to do
[45:56] Speaker 2: some calculus on.
[45:57] Speaker 1: And he put it on third down.
[45:58] Speaker 2: Yes, and took them two knees late in the game.
[46:03] Speaker 2: Or those two quarterback sneaks late in the game. You
[46:05] Speaker 2: have to do some calculus on. Yes, I could pass
[46:08] Speaker 2: the ball. We could run some real offense here and
[46:10] Speaker 2: try to get out of the shadow of our own
[46:11] Speaker 2: end zone. Or I can just get the hell out
[46:14] Speaker 2: of here. I don't want to be at MetLife no more.
[46:17] Speaker 2: They don't want to look at me no more either.
[46:19] Speaker 2: Let's just do what we got to do to get
[46:22] Speaker 2: on and move on with our lives.
[46:23] Speaker 1: I think, though, the biggest statement on what sports media is,
[46:27] Speaker 1: is the fact that he could get away with that.
[46:29] Speaker 2: 100%.
[46:29] Speaker 1: Or the fact that it even happened in the first place.
[46:32] Speaker 1: Like it says so much about what we do that
[46:34] Speaker 1: isn't fully serious, but kind of has the potential to
[46:37] Speaker 1: be serious. But in the end, nobody wants to get
[46:39] Speaker 1: boxed out. So nobody was going to be the person.
[46:42] Speaker 1: Like I wish there was like one person or like
[46:44] Speaker 1: the old head columnist who'd been there forever. So you
[46:47] Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. Like if Bob Ryan had
[46:50] Speaker 1: decided to be there and just said, Hey, you know
[46:55] Speaker 1: what you did. Just fess up. Tell them the truth.
[47:03] Speaker 2: I was going to say in that media market too,
[47:04] Speaker 2: I know there was somebody that was getting elbowed sitting
[47:08] Speaker 2: in that press corps. Like, I know you want to
[47:11] Speaker 2: say it.
[47:11] Speaker 1: I know you want to say it. This was old
[47:13] Speaker 1: school New York. Like, can you imagine if this had
[47:15] Speaker 1: been on page six and everybody involved was in New
[47:18] Speaker 1: York City?
[47:21] Speaker 2: You would have had to invoke some moral clause in
[47:23] Speaker 2: because this one ain't going away with just one press conference.
[47:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Somebody, it would have been all bad for
[47:29] Speaker 1: all parties involved, Jack. All parties involved. All right, I'll
[47:33] Speaker 1: ask you one last thing before we get out of
[47:34] Speaker 1: here because I see this come up this morning. I
[47:36] Speaker 1: hadn't thought about it in a long time. The Cowboys
[47:39] Speaker 1: are not talking about no long-term deal with George Pickens.
[47:42] Speaker 1: And I don't see how this ends well.
[47:46] Speaker 2: We literally talked about it. We talked about this in
[47:49] Speaker 2: the fall. that I didn't want to be the one
[47:52] Speaker 2: holding that bag, having to hand that money off to
[47:55] Speaker 2: George Pickens. And it feels very much like the Cowboys
[47:57] Speaker 2: got to the end of the year feeling great, and
[47:59] Speaker 2: then it was time to talk contracts, and everybody had
[48:02] Speaker 2: to sit and think, like, damn, $ 20- plus million. I mean,
[48:07] Speaker 2: that is why receivers get paid these days. But that one?
[48:11] Speaker 1: Well, then he played himself into the 30-40 reign. Exactly.
[48:14] Speaker 2: Exactly. And this is worst-case scenario, because he can make
[48:18] Speaker 2: that demand. And he can look at Dallas in the
[48:20] Speaker 2: face and say, it's April. What else you going to do?
[48:24] Speaker 2: You going to try to go win a championship with
[48:26] Speaker 2: your over 30 quarterback who has had these lower leg
[48:29] Speaker 2: issues and this offense that didn't pop off again until
[48:32] Speaker 2: you had me to play with C.D.
[48:33] Speaker 1: Lamb?
[48:34] Speaker 2: You going to send me on my way or you
[48:36] Speaker 2: are going to tell me not to talk to you
[48:37] Speaker 2: until next offseason? That is that's really I think is
[48:40] Speaker 2: the worst part about it. It's less of being nervous
[48:43] Speaker 2: about handing off the money and more about that. The
[48:45] Speaker 2: more you slow play this, the more you risk. George
[48:49] Speaker 2: Pickens turning into George Pickens again. Because he ain't got
[48:54] Speaker 2: no reason not to.
[48:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the good version of George Pickens for
[48:57] Speaker 1: the most part last year. Spaced out George Pickens. That's
[49:02] Speaker 1: still just, what are you doing right now?
[49:06] Speaker 2: I said it then, the best thing you could have
[49:08] Speaker 2: done is take that great season, go trade him for
[49:11] Speaker 2: a high second round pick or a late first round pick.
[49:14] Speaker 2: And everybody, you get to get yelled at for a
[49:16] Speaker 2: week being Jerry Jones and giving away another good player,
[49:18] Speaker 2: but you don't have to be responsible. for what he
[49:21] Speaker 2: gets paid. That would have been the best-case scenario, and
[49:23] Speaker 2: now you are here back against the wall hoping that
[49:26] Speaker 2: Tiger don't go Tiger. While I'm borrowing all these comedian analogies,
[49:30] Speaker 2: we hoping that Tiger don't go Tiger and start eating
[49:32] Speaker 2: faces in this locker room.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Oh, man, this is like... This draft, I had said
[49:39] Speaker 1: that whatever is going to be about this draft was
[49:41] Speaker 1: actually going to be like the surrounding stuff was going
[49:44] Speaker 1: to be it. Like I was hoping A.J. Brown would
[49:46] Speaker 1: get trapped, traded while this draft was going on. Right.
[49:49] Speaker 1: Like this is it seems that everything around the league
[49:52] Speaker 1: now is more interesting to the draft, which actually doesn't
[49:54] Speaker 1: really happen that much. Right.
[49:57] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still waiting to see if Max Crosby
[49:59] Speaker 2: is going to remain a Raider.
[50:01] Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they're like, oh, he's just like,
[50:04] Speaker 1: all right, well, cool. I guess I'm a Raider now. No,
[50:06] Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.
[50:06] Speaker 2: It don't have to be that way. It don't got
[50:09] Speaker 2: to be that way. You probably weren't supposed to get
[50:10] Speaker 2: two first round picks to begin with. So maybe we
[50:13] Speaker 2: just need to reconvene and take what we can get
[50:15] Speaker 2: for this edge rusher who does not match our timeline
[50:17] Speaker 2: at all.
[50:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, this his his whole everything has been all this.
[50:22] Speaker 1: And by the way, we still have a chance that
[50:23] Speaker 1: this will be a season where Deshaun Watson is the
[50:25] Speaker 1: starting quarterback for an NFL team.
[50:28] Speaker 2: Yikes.
[50:29] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.
[50:32] Speaker 2: That's the other thing is that this draft is happening
[50:34] Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. And one of the questions I've been rattling
[50:36] Speaker 2: around in my brain is, what can Aaron Rodgers do
[50:39] Speaker 2: between now and about four o'clock my time tomorrow to
[50:43] Speaker 2: make himself the main character again? Because I know he's
[50:46] Speaker 2: thinking about it.
[50:47] Speaker 1: That's right. He has done this before.
[50:49] Speaker 2: Yes, I know he's thinking about it. And this is
[50:53] Speaker 2: a head coach with the Steelers that they did not
[50:56] Speaker 2: leave on the greatest of terms. And this might be
[50:58] Speaker 2: a nice little way to, you know, kind of stick
[51:00] Speaker 2: a knife in again.
[51:02] Speaker 1: And they say that they've been talking and everything else.
[51:04] Speaker 1: The Steelers are operating as though they believe Aaron Rodgers
[51:06] Speaker 1: is going to come back, and I just don't see
[51:07] Speaker 1: why that is ever your play.
[51:09] Speaker 2: Why is that a good enough answer? That's the thing
[51:11] Speaker 2: I don't get. Aaron Rodgers can say what he wants.
[51:14] Speaker 2: You are the Pittsburgh Steelers. Why are you beholden to
[51:17] Speaker 2: a 42-year-old?
[51:18] Speaker 1: Right, but the draft has no quarterback. The idea that, well,
[51:21] Speaker 1: maybe they'll just take Ty Simpson. If Ty Simpson falls
[51:24] Speaker 1: to them, hey, man, We'll see how it ultimately turns
[51:27] Speaker 1: out with Jackson Dart. But if that quarterback slips to
[51:29] Speaker 1: the 20s, you may as well wait till the 30s
[51:31] Speaker 1: before you take him. Like you show me the quarterback
[51:33] Speaker 1: from the 20s that works out. That range, that rank,
[51:36] Speaker 1: for whatever reason, if nobody else in time decided I
[51:40] Speaker 1: need to go up and go get that dude, then
[51:42] Speaker 1: you don't want that dude either.
[51:44] Speaker 2: Because that means you had questions. That means you weren't sure. Otherwise,
[51:48] Speaker 2: he would have been a top 15 guy.
[51:50] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is the one exception, and that is one
[51:53] Speaker 1: of the most exceptional cases of a prospect ever because
[51:56] Speaker 1: they're like, yo, we can't get them to pick up
[51:57] Speaker 1: the phone, man.
[51:58] Speaker 2: Right. Exactly.
[52:01] Speaker 1: Who knows where Lamar Jackson would have gone if he
[52:03] Speaker 1: had just had some people around to answer the phone. Right.
[52:07] Speaker 2: Thank goodness.
[52:09] Speaker 1: You get the guy in the 20s, that's your Brady Quinn.
[52:11] Speaker 1: That's your Johnny Manziel, right? Teddy Bridgewater worked out best
[52:15] Speaker 1: case scenario for a guy that you get in the
[52:17] Speaker 1: 30s outside of Lamar Jackson. But once those guys get
[52:20] Speaker 1: down there, if you're the only one that think this
[52:22] Speaker 1: is a good idea, when the guys get to like
[52:24] Speaker 1: the second and third round, it's because everybody thinks they
[52:27] Speaker 1: might get a steal.
[52:28] Speaker 2: Right.
[52:28] Speaker 1: They don't think they're getting a steal at 20. They're
[52:31] Speaker 1: just like, I don't know.
[52:33] Speaker 2: If the Jets got two first-round picks and they got
[52:36] Speaker 2: the first pick in the second round, if they thought
[52:38] Speaker 2: that highly about this, they'd go make this happen. Or
[52:41] Speaker 2: they got the second overall pick and the first pick
[52:43] Speaker 2: in the second round, I would go make this happen
[52:45] Speaker 2: if I needed to. The fact that you have heard
[52:47] Speaker 2: no smoke at all that their GM is trying to
[52:50] Speaker 2: get back into the first round to go get Ty
[52:52] Speaker 2: Simpson should probably tell you if you're the Cardinals, if
[52:55] Speaker 2: you're any of these teams that might want to try
[52:57] Speaker 2: to weasel their way into the mid-20s to go grab them,
[52:59] Speaker 2: just wait. You will probably be better off for it.
[53:02] Speaker 1: And think of all the quarterbacks people have talked themselves into.
[53:06] Speaker 1: Keep it real. Jackson Dart was a talk yourself into
[53:09] Speaker 1: sort of guy. I think he outperformed what I thought
[53:12] Speaker 1: was possible from him as a rookie, but I don't
[53:14] Speaker 1: think that's a great quarterback.
[53:16] Speaker 2: You can't make the argument that's a good quarterback yet.
[53:19] Speaker 1: He's been fun. They had him, and he was handing
[53:22] Speaker 1: the ball. He a white boy with chains, and then
[53:25] Speaker 1: they had a John Riggins white boy that he was
[53:27] Speaker 1: giving the ball to, man. They was up here excited.
[53:30] Speaker 1: excited that shit was making them feel good.
[53:34] Speaker 2: You know i think that i feel like every fan
[53:36] Speaker 2: if there's any fan base who can appreciate those two
[53:39] Speaker 2: dynamics in the backfield it's the one that don't ever
[53:42] Speaker 2: want no black sergeant quarterback.
[53:43] Speaker 1: Yeah they look at jackson darren they're like oh yeah
[53:46] Speaker 1: that's close enough they see jackson darren like yeah that's
[53:48] Speaker 1: close enough but that's they talk themselves into that and
[53:51] Speaker 1: and where and where did they take them 25.
[53:56] Speaker 2: And he was just good enough to get his head
[53:58] Speaker 2: coach fired.
[53:59] Speaker 1: Yep.
[54:01] Speaker 2: That is the perfect line.
[54:03] Speaker 1: The GM that does that is putting his whole situation. Look,
[54:08] Speaker 1: you will not get fired for the quarterback you did
[54:10] Speaker 1: not draft. Exactly.
[54:12] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[54:13] Speaker 1: I never really thought about that until right now. The
[54:15] Speaker 1: quarterback you did not draft will not get you fired.
[54:18] Speaker 2: If Jackson Dart was that nice... then John Harbaugh would
[54:20] Speaker 2: have to report to Joe Shane and not be reporting
[54:22] Speaker 2: directly to ownership. Okay? Clearly, the Giants are telling you,
[54:26] Speaker 2: you don't get no extra credit for making that move,
[54:28] Speaker 2: big dog. That don't go on your resume the way
[54:30] Speaker 2: you think it does.
[54:32] Speaker 1: Hey, man. Deontay Lee. Check him out covering football for
[54:35] Speaker 1: the Ranger. My brother, I appreciate you.
[54:37] Speaker 2: Appreciate you always, bro.
[54:38] Speaker 1: All right, man. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much
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