# Bill Belichick-Patriots beef, Melo & HOF Class of 2025, Canelo vs. Crawford | 09.09

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 9 Sep 2025, 58 min.

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Bomani Jones reacts to Bill Belichick's ongoing feud with the New England Patriots and gives Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony their flowers after being inducted into the 2025 Basketball Hall of Fame. Later, he is joined by Corey Erdman of DAZN Boxing and Ring Magazine to breakdown the upcoming superfight between Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford on Netflix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:15] Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
[0:18] Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
[0:20] Speaker 1: a hater. Coming up a little bit later, we got
[0:22] Speaker 1: Corey Erdman of The Zone and Ring Magazine. Get you
[0:25] Speaker 1: ready for the Canelo, Alvarez, Terrence Crawford fight. But first,
[0:29] Speaker 1: we got a couple of little funny things that have
[0:31] Speaker 1: happened in sports. Well, really, this is just the one
[0:34] Speaker 1: funny thing. Well, some others. We're just going to get
[0:38] Speaker 1: to that right now. But anyway, a report was made
[0:41] Speaker 1: on Saturday by ESPN that Bill Belichick... has banned scouts
[0:48] Speaker 1: from the New England Patriots from visiting the football facilities
[0:52] Speaker 1: at the University of North Carolina. And when he was
[0:55] Speaker 1: asked about it after their win over Charlotte, his explanation was,
[1:00] Speaker 1: I'm not welcome at their facilities, so why are they
[1:04] Speaker 1: welcome at ours? I don't know, guys. Sounds like somebody's
[1:11] Speaker 1: still not over getting fired. Could be wrong. Ryan, do
[1:14] Speaker 1: I have this right? Does it sound to you like
[1:16] Speaker 1: he's not over being fired? Because it sounds to me
[1:18] Speaker 1: like he's not over being fired.
[1:19] Speaker 2: He is clearly not over being fired. And he does
[1:23] Speaker 2: not seem, the more he is in this UNC situation,
[1:27] Speaker 2: he does not seem thrilled with it.
[1:29] Speaker 1: No, well, he also, it feels like he thinks it's
[1:31] Speaker 1: unfair that he got fired.
[1:33] Speaker 2: Right, like, yes. Look at what I did for you.
[1:36] Speaker 2: How dare you run me off?
[1:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have to ask him this question in
[1:39] Speaker 1: all sincerity. Did he think it was unfair when he
[1:41] Speaker 1: was ready for Tom Brady to get out of there
[1:43] Speaker 1: because he thought he had gotten too old? Did he
[1:44] Speaker 1: think it was unfair when he released Bernie Kosar in Cleveland?
[1:48] Speaker 1: Did he think that it was unfair when he ran
[1:50] Speaker 1: Lawyer Malloy out with the Patriots? Like, this idea of fairness...
[1:55] Speaker 1: You know how shit works, man. And those of you
[1:58] Speaker 1: who listened to this show during that last season that
[2:00] Speaker 1: he had, I told y'all early he was going to
[2:02] Speaker 1: be fired. That the only way that this could possibly
[2:04] Speaker 1: go was that he was going to be fired because
[2:06] Speaker 1: he is stoked too bad. And his owner was too
[2:09] Speaker 1: old to be out here trying to put up with
[2:10] Speaker 1: that shit. Like there was no way around it. He
[2:12] Speaker 1: was going to wind up being fired. My problem with
[2:15] Speaker 1: him doing this is him saying no. Well, it's not
[2:20] Speaker 1: he's saying this. He claims that, well, if the scouts
[2:22] Speaker 1: want to know something about his players, they can call him,
[2:25] Speaker 1: they can ask him whatever, that's fine. But the people
[2:27] Speaker 1: who are losing under this circumstance are not going to
[2:30] Speaker 1: be the Patriots. If it happens to be that, it's
[2:34] Speaker 1: going to be his players. Now, I'm going to be
[2:36] Speaker 1: honest with you. From that one football game, I saw
[2:39] Speaker 1: the Carolina play. I don't see why no scouts would
[2:45] Speaker 1: really be coming there. Like, maybe they just want to
[2:49] Speaker 1: watch a basketball game the same weekend or something like that,
[2:51] Speaker 1: but I feel like anybody want to come watch, y'all
[2:53] Speaker 1: sorry asses, you need to be happy. You need to be, like,
[2:56] Speaker 1: patting them on the back, telling them thank you, make
[2:58] Speaker 1: them snacks, whatever it takes. Like, this is what it
[3:01] Speaker 1: is that you need to do. This is wild stuff,
[3:04] Speaker 1: but it's not.
[3:08] Speaker 1: I'm trying to think when he'll get over it, what
[3:11] Speaker 1: it'll take, because on one level, and Ryan and I
[3:14] Speaker 1: were talking about this, maybe on one level, what it'll take,
[3:17] Speaker 1: and I don't mean to seem morbid, so is Bob
[3:20] Speaker 1: Kraft no longer owning the team? You know what I mean?
[3:25] Speaker 2: I think from what I read and from everything that's
[3:28] Speaker 2: come out about Belichick, I think he dislikes Robert Kraft
[3:32] Speaker 2: and he's hurt by Robert Kraft personally. He clearly despises
[3:35] Speaker 2: the Sun.
[3:36] Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say, is that even
[3:38] Speaker 1: if Bob Kraft no longer owns the team, there will
[3:43] Speaker 1: still be a problem if Bob Kraft passes the team on.
[3:49] Speaker 2: Did you watch Succession?
[3:50] Speaker 1: I did.
[3:51] Speaker 2: Jonathan Kraft, he clearly thinks Jonathan Kraft is Kendall.
[3:55] Speaker 1: He does. The irony of this, of course, is he
[3:59] Speaker 1: appears to have his own overwhelmed children in positions of
[4:04] Speaker 1: power within his own enterprise. He got a son with
[4:07] Speaker 1: a mullet. I tell you this, Logan Roy would have
[4:10] Speaker 1: never allowed that, and neither would Robert Kraft. No.
[4:12] Speaker 2: Oh, not in a million years.
[4:13] Speaker 1: No way you're going to be in my office with
[4:15] Speaker 1: that fucked up haircut you got, son. That would never
[4:18] Speaker 1: happen ever. But you're right. Belichick, I guess we'll have
[4:22] Speaker 1: to see what it looks like when they win a
[4:23] Speaker 1: game that like they're not supposed to. Because I do
[4:27] Speaker 1: think the difference between college and the NFL is success.
[4:32] Speaker 1: Success in the NFL means the same thing for everybody.
[4:35] Speaker 1: Success in college varies greatly from program to program to program. Like, Ryan,
[4:40] Speaker 1: you're an LSU grad. Success at LSU is not the
[4:42] Speaker 1: same as success at Mississippi State, but it's also not
[4:44] Speaker 1: the same as success is at Alabama. It's all these
[4:48] Speaker 1: different levels of what success means. I don't know if
[4:51] Speaker 1: Belichick is built necessarily to understand that you got a
[4:53] Speaker 1: job where nine and three might get you a statue, homie.
[4:56] Speaker 1: Like if you go eight and.
[4:58] Speaker 2: Seven and five would be a great year there.
[5:00] Speaker 1: It really will. I don't know exactly how he feels
[5:03] Speaker 1: about this, but you are right. I don't, he seems
[5:05] Speaker 1: a bit, uh, non plus. I feel like that's the
[5:08] Speaker 1: way I use now plus, but not actually what it means,
[5:11] Speaker 1: but you know what I mean?
[5:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:13] Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, how about this? He does seem
[5:16] Speaker 1: to be a little bit over it.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Just, just, just, just already, already over it, already, uh,
[5:23] Speaker 2: throwing fits. And, uh, again, like, I can't imagine this
[5:27] Speaker 2: ends well.
[5:28] Speaker 1: No, no. Now, let's switch gears a little bit because
[5:31] Speaker 1: we just talked there about a pro coach working in college.
[5:34] Speaker 1: I want to talk now about a college coach working
[5:36] Speaker 1: in the pros. And what I'm saying is, can you
[5:39] Speaker 1: imagine if you never watched college basketball ever in your
[5:44] Speaker 1: life and all you watched was the NBA? Can you
[5:49] Speaker 1: imagine turning on your TV and somebody told you that
[5:51] Speaker 1: Billy Donovan was going into the Hall of Fame? It
[5:57] Speaker 1: would be a little shocking now, wouldn't it? But Billy
[5:59] Speaker 1: Donovan did coach in college. He has three trips to
[6:02] Speaker 1: the Final Four and two national championships. Ergo, therefore, he
[6:05] Speaker 1: is in the Hall of Fame. But Ryan, I'm going
[6:07] Speaker 1: to be honest. I turned on and I saw his
[6:08] Speaker 1: speech and I was like, oh, yeah, that's right.
[6:12] Speaker 2: I guess he was presenting for somebody.
[6:13] Speaker 1: I was just like, what the hell is going on here?
[6:15] Speaker 2: I didn't realize him and Melo were that close.
[6:18] Speaker 1: Well, it was also we're really that old now, right?
[6:21] Speaker 1: Because his first Final Four was 25 years ago. Like
[6:25] Speaker 1: 2000 was that first Final Four. Those national championships next
[6:29] Speaker 1: year will be the 20th anniversary of the first one. Right. Yeah.
[6:32] Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this has really happened to us.
[6:34] Speaker 1: But yeah, I looked up and saw it and I
[6:35] Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, yeah, I guess. Yeah, that that
[6:38] Speaker 1: would that would check out. But two things from that
[6:43] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ceremony that I want to talk about.
[6:45] Speaker 1: Number one, shout out to Dwight Howard. He said it
[6:50] Speaker 1: or somebody asked him about it. And he said that
[6:52] Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking thing ever to him was that he
[6:54] Speaker 1: was not on the top 75 all time list of
[6:56] Speaker 1: the NBA. And that is the most indefensible decision of
[6:59] Speaker 1: that entire list, especially since it was 76. They had
[7:04] Speaker 1: a tie. To not put Dwight Howard on that top
[7:08] Speaker 1: 75 list was absolutely absurd. And look, I understand this.
[7:12] Speaker 1: Injuries got him. He had the back injury. And then
[7:14] Speaker 1: the latter part of his career took some of the
[7:16] Speaker 1: shine off the front half of his career. However, he
[7:22] Speaker 1: is the best player on a team that made the
[7:24] Speaker 1: NBA finals. And he made the Orlando Magic a contender
[7:28] Speaker 1: for the NBA finals every year simply because he was there.
[7:32] Speaker 1: he was a force of nature while also being quite
[7:36] Speaker 1: undersized for his position. He was that guy. He was
[7:41] Speaker 1: an actual, factual, real deal superstar at a time where
[7:44] Speaker 1: there really weren't that many of those guys where you said,
[7:46] Speaker 1: we got a chance to win a title because that
[7:48] Speaker 1: guy's on the team. And that was the kind of
[7:50] Speaker 1: thing that you could say about Dwight Howard when he
[7:52] Speaker 1: was 22 or 23 years old. Yes, they had some
[7:56] Speaker 1: very particular matchups that let him do it, but Dwight
[7:59] Speaker 1: Howard got to the NBA finals on a team whose
[8:02] Speaker 1: second best player was Hito Turkoglu. And along the way,
[8:05] Speaker 1: set the best version of LeBron James maybe packing. And
[8:10] Speaker 1: when I say the best version, I think LeBron was
[8:12] Speaker 1: a better player in Miami. But the 2009 playoff version
[8:15] Speaker 1: of LeBron James, it seemed absolutely unreal. I don't know
[8:19] Speaker 1: of anything that I've seen in the postseason that ever
[8:22] Speaker 1: looked like that. And Dwight and them boys sent them home.
[8:24] Speaker 2: You bring up, you know, talk about Dwight Howard being undersized. Well,
[8:27] Speaker 2: LeBron's bigger than Dwight Howard. Yes. They're closer to the
[8:32] Speaker 2: same height, and he is certainly wider.
[8:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that is what a testament to the greatness
[8:38] Speaker 1: of LeBron James, right? Of course. Let's put that there.
[8:41] Speaker 1: But for Dwight— Some of this of his own doing,
[8:45] Speaker 1: like he'll never overcome what happened when Stan called him
[8:48] Speaker 1: a liar and they walked away so that Dwight could
[8:50] Speaker 1: come up and lie in front of everybody. Like, or
[8:52] Speaker 1: he started the lie before the episode. Yeah. You know
[8:55] Speaker 1: what though? I appreciate about both of them that clearly they,
[8:58] Speaker 1: you know, they're like, Levitar used to tell me about this, like, no,
[9:00] Speaker 1: Stan and Dwight are friends. Like they got it back together.
[9:04] Speaker 1: Shaq and Dwight is weird. And I just don't.
[9:07] Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't have to.
[9:09] Speaker 1: We don't have time. It would take forever to try
[9:12] Speaker 1: to like tease that out. But I was glad for
[9:14] Speaker 1: him that he got in on the first ballot. And
[9:16] Speaker 1: a lot of you guys, because you just decided you
[9:18] Speaker 1: didn't like Dwight. A lot of you because Kobe told
[9:20] Speaker 1: you not to like Dwight. I'm glad that he got
[9:23] Speaker 1: that honor. And he said he went to the Hall
[9:24] Speaker 1: of Fame twice because the Olympic team also went in.
[9:27] Speaker 1: But my colleague here at Wave Sports and Entertainment also
[9:31] Speaker 1: went in. And that is Carmelo Anthony. And I joke
[9:35] Speaker 1: and talk a lot about how the first person to
[9:38] Speaker 1: ever call me a hater for what I ever said
[9:39] Speaker 1: on television was Carmelo. He was watching first take one
[9:42] Speaker 1: day and he didn't like something I said. And he said,
[9:44] Speaker 1: let's toast to the hater. I talked to him about it.
[9:46] Speaker 1: He didn't laugh as much as I was hoping he
[9:48] Speaker 1: would laugh about that fact. I hope he doesn't think
[9:50] Speaker 1: I'm a hater now, but I do have to tell
[9:52] Speaker 1: you this. And I do mean this because in working here,
[9:56] Speaker 1: I have... Well, first, let me start here. There's something
[9:59] Speaker 1: about watching Carmelo Anthony play basketball that is just... special
[10:03] Speaker 1: right like very few people have made basketball look as
[10:07] Speaker 1: easy as mellow made basketball look and one thing i
[10:09] Speaker 1: don't think that you can really grasp on television and
[10:12] Speaker 1: ryan i think you may have noticed this from your
[10:14] Speaker 1: first meetings with mellow that's a really big dude yes
[10:17] Speaker 1: like that is a that is a power forward playing
[10:21] Speaker 1: small forward more in the terry cummings mold than i
[10:23] Speaker 1: think that people realize like what a special talent and
[10:27] Speaker 1: basketball player he truly was right Absolutely.
[10:30] Speaker 2: And one of the, one of the great college players
[10:33] Speaker 2: ever as well.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Well, then there's that, right? Like second best player on
[10:35] Speaker 1: that team is what Jerry McNamara, Hakeem Warwick, right? Like that's,
[10:39] Speaker 1: that's who we're talking about that got there. No, Mello
[10:42] Speaker 1: was that dude. And in New York, I think Knicks
[10:45] Speaker 1: fans are a little too hard on him. Um, Amari
[10:49] Speaker 1: Stoudemire did it in his way before Melo got there,
[10:52] Speaker 1: but nobody signed up for the weight of playing basketball
[10:55] Speaker 1: in New York quite like Carmelo did. Nobody did, right? Like,
[10:59] Speaker 1: I was glad that the reception around him going into
[11:02] Speaker 1: the hall, because look, man, the end was not necessarily
[11:04] Speaker 1: the way he wanted it to be. Hell, when it
[11:06] Speaker 1: didn't work out for him in Houston, I thought he
[11:09] Speaker 1: was finished and said it publicly, but obviously he adjusted
[11:12] Speaker 1: his game in a way that I, as a person
[11:14] Speaker 1: from a distance, didn't think he could to stay in
[11:16] Speaker 1: the league for longer. Like, He did that. And he
[11:19] Speaker 1: is a star among players and among fans. That is
[11:24] Speaker 1: very rare for you to find out. But I have
[11:27] Speaker 1: to say, Mello and I do some business with our buddy,
[11:30] Speaker 1: Jesse Horton, separate business, but with the same company. And
[11:34] Speaker 1: I've worked with him here at Wade. And that's a
[11:36] Speaker 1: good dude. And in the time that I've had to
[11:38] Speaker 1: be around him, I am like a good dude in
[11:41] Speaker 1: a way that when you do this job long enough,
[11:43] Speaker 1: you know kind of what you get often with dealing
[11:46] Speaker 1: with former players of varying magnitudes. And Melo's as level
[11:48] Speaker 1: of dude as I think you could possibly expect, given
[11:51] Speaker 1: what a big deal he is and has been basically
[11:54] Speaker 1: since he was 18 years old. So I could speak
[11:57] Speaker 1: for the whole company. I think they happy for him,
[11:59] Speaker 1: but I don't know y'all. Not that way. You know
[12:01] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I can speak for us over here, man.
[12:04] Speaker 1: Heartfelt congratulations to Carmelo Anthony for getting into the Hall
[12:08] Speaker 1: of Fame. And as much as people can talk about
[12:11] Speaker 1: how the Basketball Hall of Fame is unwieldy and they
[12:13] Speaker 1: let anybody in, they don't let everybody in, right?
[12:18] Speaker 2: Melo's an NFL Hall of Famer.
[12:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[12:20] Speaker 2: He was the third best player in the league for—
[12:22] Speaker 2: 700 years.
[12:26] Speaker 1: This is a no-brainer. There was no doubt when you
[12:29] Speaker 1: looked at that list of people who were going into
[12:31] Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, who was the person that was going
[12:33] Speaker 1: to talk last, right? There was no question who that
[12:36] Speaker 1: person was going to be. And it was Carmelo. So
[12:39] Speaker 1: congratulations to him. Shout out to him. Catch up with him.
[12:42] Speaker 1: I guess I'll do this season's appearance on 7 p.m.
[12:46] Speaker 1: in Brooklyn if they'll have me back. But wanted to
[12:48] Speaker 1: throw that out there. And now, join us in getting
[12:52] Speaker 1: ready for the big boxing match this weekend with my
[12:54] Speaker 1: good buddy Corey Erdman. all right joining us now check
[13:01] Speaker 1: him out he's a commentator for the zone he is
[13:04] Speaker 1: also a writer for ring magazine and also had a
[13:07] Speaker 1: big role in a little show that we like to
[13:08] Speaker 1: call the morning jones around here cory urban it is
[13:11] Speaker 1: wonderful to see you how are you man I'm good.
[13:13] Speaker 3: And it is and will forever be weird that we
[13:16] Speaker 3: don't wake up and do this every single morning.
[13:18] Speaker 1: Dude, it's you know, I guess it's been so long now.
[13:21] Speaker 1: It's been 15 years since we started the show. Right.
[13:24] Speaker 1: So we're at a place where there's a whole lot
[13:25] Speaker 1: of people here who don't know what we're talking about.
[13:28] Speaker 1: And bad news for them. We don't do the show
[13:30] Speaker 1: for you. This is this was it was I mean,
[13:34] Speaker 1: looking back on this, the idea that somebody was like, yeah,
[13:36] Speaker 1: we'll put a box in your house and you can
[13:38] Speaker 1: do a radio show with these guys from Canada, except
[13:40] Speaker 1: for the days that we forget to pay the bill.
[13:43] Speaker 1: And we'll hopefully we will get you. It's been long
[13:45] Speaker 1: enough now that we can talk about that. It would
[13:47] Speaker 1: just be days of waking up and being like, damn,
[13:49] Speaker 1: they forgot to pay the phone bill.
[13:52] Speaker 3: I still remember that phone call and it was days
[13:55] Speaker 3: before that. getting on the phone with you and being like, uh,
[13:58] Speaker 3: the lights didn't turn on today. Should we be concerned
[14:01] Speaker 3: about our employment?
[14:05] Speaker 1: We were going through stuff that people didn't realize like
[14:08] Speaker 1: sprinkled in. And then Mike hit man comes on standing
[14:11] Speaker 1: on top of a car because the Doberman has chased
[14:13] Speaker 1: him on top of his car. And he doesn't even
[14:15] Speaker 1: remember he's on the radio because he has just called
[14:18] Speaker 1: us and left us on hold while the madness of
[14:21] Speaker 1: early morning, Chicago transpires behind us.
[14:24] Speaker 3: I like, I don't know that you can replicate something
[14:27] Speaker 3: like that these days, right? Like, unless you're doing something
[14:29] Speaker 3: on like, I don't know what Instagram live or something
[14:32] Speaker 3: that immediacy and the chaos and, and obviously the camaraderie
[14:36] Speaker 3: and everything else that came with the show. I, I
[14:38] Speaker 3: don't think you could produce that in 2025.
[14:40] Speaker 1: It was the most amazing time in my life. Like
[14:43] Speaker 1: when I do the math on all the amazing things
[14:46] Speaker 1: that happened, it was just like, wow. And it's like,
[14:49] Speaker 1: it's why you are it's a big part of why
[14:50] Speaker 1: you are where you are it's a big part of
[14:52] Speaker 1: why i am where i am shout out to the
[14:54] Speaker 1: kang sasha cargill my man morgan campbell said he saw
[14:57] Speaker 1: sasha when he's up there i think about sasha all
[14:59] Speaker 1: the time now because sasha is from hamilton ontario the
[15:02] Speaker 1: home of shea gilgis The hammer, I believe, is what
[15:06] Speaker 1: they call it. He would call it the Steel City.
[15:07] Speaker 1: And every time life gets bad, I go check the
[15:09] Speaker 1: price of gold. And I think about Sasha not getting
[15:11] Speaker 1: that gold that he tried to get. Listen, it is
[15:14] Speaker 1: always weird.
[15:15] Speaker 3: And I'm glad that you know about Hamilton because you
[15:17] Speaker 3: can appreciate this. And we talk about it all the time.
[15:19] Speaker 3: How bizarre it is that the most fashionable man in
[15:22] Speaker 3: the world is from Hamilton, Ontario.
[15:24] Speaker 1: Hamilton, which is the Pittsburgh of Canada. Correct. Yes, that's right.
[15:27] Speaker 1: The more I worked with you guys in Canada, I
[15:31] Speaker 1: realized we had so many of the blank of Canada. So,
[15:33] Speaker 1: for example, Alberta, you are the Texas of Canada. There
[15:36] Speaker 1: is no other way to look at this. This is
[15:37] Speaker 1: what you are. You are the Texas of Canada in
[15:39] Speaker 1: every single way. Oh, okay. Got you. But Hamilton figured
[15:43] Speaker 1: it out very quickly. And also, how you know, you
[15:46] Speaker 1: don't want no problems with the Kangs. Kang is the
[15:48] Speaker 1: nicest man in the world, but I don't think you
[15:50] Speaker 1: want no problems with Kang.
[15:53] Speaker 3: I'm sure his students feel the same way.
[15:55] Speaker 1: Well, it also dawned on me that the Kang's oldest
[15:57] Speaker 1: son has got to be like 16 or 17 now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man.
[16:01] Speaker 1: It's wild.
[16:02] Speaker 3: Like I don't have to– it's a great privilege that
[16:06] Speaker 3: I don't have to submit resumes too often anymore. But
[16:10] Speaker 3: my position as producer of The Morning Jones is still
[16:13] Speaker 3: on there. And listen, like what? Like 12 people got
[16:16] Speaker 3: invited to my wedding. You were one of them and
[16:18] Speaker 3: two others were listeners of the program. Like that's how
[16:21] Speaker 3: much has permeated our lives even 15 years down the road.
[16:24] Speaker 1: Corey, we had a wedding that we had to go
[16:26] Speaker 1: to and to save a potential fisticuff situation because over
[16:30] Speaker 1: a dispute over money, Mike's friends were ready to show up.
[16:35] Speaker 1: And I would tell people this because it gets us
[16:37] Speaker 1: into why we have Corey here. The last time I
[16:39] Speaker 1: saw Corey was in 2022. I believe it was May
[16:42] Speaker 1: of 2022. And I am walking through the park MGM
[16:47] Speaker 1: and I have a mask on because it's still that time.
[16:50] Speaker 1: And I'm walking and I've got all this hair because
[16:52] Speaker 1: it was still that time. And I look up and
[16:54] Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shit, I see Corey and Andres Hale
[16:57] Speaker 1: walking up. But I've got the mask on and I've
[16:59] Speaker 1: got all this hair and I walk up to Corey
[17:01] Speaker 1: super slow and he is looking at me like, what
[17:04] Speaker 1: is about to transpire? And I take the mask off.
[17:08] Speaker 1: It is like a super happy reunion. The woman I'm
[17:10] Speaker 1: with has no understanding as to why it is that
[17:13] Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see this little white dude in
[17:15] Speaker 1: front of me. But the occasion that he was there for,
[17:17] Speaker 1: I was there for a concert. He was there because
[17:19] Speaker 1: I forget who Canelo was there fighting, but Canelo lost.
[17:22] Speaker 1: And I had gotten word that Canelo lost, which was
[17:24] Speaker 1: very important information because I was trying not to bump
[17:27] Speaker 1: into any of the grumpy Mexicans that were walking around,
[17:31] Speaker 1: not pleased that Canelo had lost. I'm sorry. Make sure
[17:33] Speaker 1: I say he lost. He lost Canelo. As I recall,
[17:36] Speaker 1: got his ass kicked. Like it wasn't like it was
[17:39] Speaker 1: a disputable loss. And now because boxing is just one
[17:42] Speaker 1: of those things where sometimes you get your ass kicked.
[17:44] Speaker 1: Now he's going to fight Terrence Crawford on Saturday, September 13th. Yeah.
[17:50] Speaker 3: That was Canelo Bevo, and that was the saddest I
[17:53] Speaker 3: have ever seen a casino in Las Vegas. And that's
[17:57] Speaker 3: including because there's the injection of the people that were
[17:59] Speaker 3: there to see Silksonic, so they're kind of happy, right?
[18:01] Speaker 3: You guys are coming out of the show, you're feeling good,
[18:04] Speaker 3: but the people that knew the fight was going on
[18:06] Speaker 3: and might have known the result were like you, not
[18:08] Speaker 3: wanting to seem too happy, but then we saw one another,
[18:11] Speaker 3: and you know.
[18:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, look, man, we've talked enough about, look, we got
[18:14] Speaker 1: to be honest about this. Boxing, traffic's in race play,
[18:18] Speaker 1: and sometimes that makes things just a little bit dicey.
[18:23] Speaker 1: Just a little. But look, it's three years later. He's
[18:27] Speaker 1: fighting Terrence Crawford. I looked this up. One, it feels
[18:30] Speaker 1: like Canelo is much older than he is. He's 35.
[18:31] Speaker 1: He has won 62 fights. His fight is like 62-3
[18:36] Speaker 1: and whatever the draw number is. Terrence Crawford is actually
[18:40] Speaker 1: two years older than him, but Terrence Crawford is undefeated.
[18:45] Speaker 1: The last time I watched Terrence Crawford fight somebody, he
[18:48] Speaker 1: put them paws on Errol Spence in a way that
[18:50] Speaker 1: I don't think we thought was possible. I have also
[18:53] Speaker 1: seen Terrence Crawford fight in person because ESPN used to
[18:55] Speaker 1: have the top rank contract. So he fought one night
[18:59] Speaker 1: right after the Heisman ceremony. So we pulled up. This
[19:01] Speaker 1: is when I realized how famous Desmond Howard was. All
[19:04] Speaker 1: of us had really good seats except for Desmond Howard,
[19:06] Speaker 1: who was in Terrence Crawford's Corner. Corner. Just in the corner.
[19:12] Speaker 1: But what is, like, the first thing you think about
[19:15] Speaker 1: when you know this fight is coming up is what
[19:17] Speaker 1: about this matchup?
[19:19] Speaker 3: Man, it's kind of bizarre that it's happening. And it's
[19:24] Speaker 3: kind of a set of circumstances that, you know, with
[19:27] Speaker 3: the injection of money and influence from Turkey Al-Ashiq, it's
[19:34] Speaker 3: a fight that without... This current boxing climate just never
[19:38] Speaker 3: would have happened because Terrence Crawford, he's technically moving up
[19:43] Speaker 3: two weight classes, but really moving up three weight classes.
[19:45] Speaker 3: He's only fought at 154 pounds one time. And he's
[19:48] Speaker 3: going to be facing Canelo, at 168. But it's one
[19:52] Speaker 3: of those fights that boxing fans, more casual boxing fans,
[19:56] Speaker 3: and I don't use that as a pejorative whatsoever. I
[19:59] Speaker 3: don't care what level of fidelity you have to the sport.
[20:01] Speaker 3: Come and tune in whenever you want. But people see
[20:04] Speaker 3: them on the pound-for-pound list, and they argue about who's better,
[20:07] Speaker 3: who's the best fighter in the world. Is it Canelo?
[20:09] Speaker 1: Is it Terrence Crawford?
[20:10] Speaker 3: Is it Naoya Inoue? And they want to put these
[20:13] Speaker 3: two in there together. It's bizarre that it's happening, but
[20:18] Speaker 3: it will probably– it'll go a long way to kind
[20:21] Speaker 3: of defining who is the best fighter of this particular era.
[20:26] Speaker 3: And I think you have to put this era in
[20:29] Speaker 3: a silo that doesn't include Floyd and doesn't include Manny
[20:32] Speaker 3: because if you do, they're kind of clearly ahead. But
[20:35] Speaker 3: for this modern era, this kind of defines who.
[20:39] Speaker 1: Is the guy.
[20:39] Speaker 3: And it's sort of unfair to Crawford in a sense
[20:45] Speaker 3: because he's taking such a colossal risk. He's basically having
[20:48] Speaker 3: to transform his body Moving up three weight classes is
[20:52] Speaker 3: no joke. Going from 147 to a muscular 168 is
[20:57] Speaker 3: something that some people take years to make happen. And
[21:00] Speaker 3: Terrence Crawford is going to do it and try and
[21:02] Speaker 3: fight someone. Well, are you surprised that they didn't meet
[21:04] Speaker 3: somewhere in the middle on this? A little surprised, but
[21:07] Speaker 3: at the same time. You know, as big of a
[21:10] Speaker 3: star and as great as Terrence Crawford is, Canelo Alvarez
[21:14] Speaker 3: is really the nucleus of the boxing world. And he
[21:18] Speaker 3: can call the shots. And I'm sure that he did
[21:21] Speaker 3: not want to have any concessions when it came to weight.
[21:23] Speaker 3: But also, Terrence Crawford has that thing where I think
[21:27] Speaker 3: he wants the biggest challenge possible. And it's something that
[21:31] Speaker 3: was kind of, he was denied that opportunity in some
[21:36] Speaker 3: senses while he was fighting with Top Rank. Because it
[21:39] Speaker 3: was during a period of time in boxing where there
[21:42] Speaker 3: was some severe separation in terms of networks and promotions,
[21:46] Speaker 3: and they just wouldn't work together. It wasn't Top Rank's fault.
[21:48] Speaker 3: It wasn't ESPN's fault. But there were all these fighters
[21:51] Speaker 3: over here on PBC that Terrence Crawford never was able
[21:55] Speaker 3: to match up with until he finally got that Errol
[21:57] Speaker 3: Spence fight. And I think there is that thing in
[22:00] Speaker 3: Terrence's mind where he's thinking, hey, I'm 37, 38 years old.
[22:05] Speaker 3: I want to go for the biggest challenge possible. And
[22:07] Speaker 3: if I can do this, if I can move up
[22:09] Speaker 3: three weight classes and beat Canelo, I'm in a different
[22:12] Speaker 3: stratosphere when it comes to how I'm remembered after I retire.
[22:16] Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned the risk, obviously, of just, we're just
[22:19] Speaker 1: talking about going up the weight classes, but we're talking
[22:21] Speaker 1: about going up the weight classes with somebody who's calling
[22:23] Speaker 1: card is power, right? Exactly, yeah.
[22:26] Speaker 3: And that's what makes this a really fascinating style matchup
[22:30] Speaker 3: as well. If the fight starts and Canelo isn't immediately
[22:35] Speaker 3: physically overwhelming to Crawford. It becomes really interesting because Canelo's
[22:41] Speaker 3: calling card these days is more power. The younger version
[22:46] Speaker 3: of Canelo was a lot more mobile. The version we
[22:49] Speaker 3: saw at 154, 160. The version we've seen at 168
[22:52] Speaker 3: and during his dalliances at light heavyweight is a lot
[22:57] Speaker 3: more judicious with his punch output. He can kind of
[23:00] Speaker 3: nonchalantly walk forward, pick shots off, and then throw power shots.
[23:04] Speaker 3: And everything he throws is heavy, and everything he throws
[23:07] Speaker 3: is meaningful. The question is whether that approach can work
[23:12] Speaker 3: against Crawford, who is going to be more nimble, he's
[23:14] Speaker 3: going to be more mobile. And I don't know that
[23:18] Speaker 3: the level of nonchalance that Canelo has been able to
[23:22] Speaker 3: have in recent fights, I don't know if that works well.
[23:25] Speaker 3: against someone who's as intelligent and as mobile as Crawford.
[23:29] Speaker 3: So we're going to have to see a version of
[23:33] Speaker 3: Canelo that we haven't seen in at least a couple fights.
[23:36] Speaker 1: So how does the power game work for a guy
[23:39] Speaker 1: like Crawford going up in the fight, like his own power?
[23:42] Speaker 1: Because I'm talking about this at first in the context of, OK,
[23:44] Speaker 1: now you're dealing with somebody with heavy hands and now
[23:47] Speaker 1: you're going up to that fight. But I'm trying to
[23:49] Speaker 1: think like to myself, like, for example, you know, and
[23:51] Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as versed in this as you, obviously,
[23:53] Speaker 1: but I think of when Roy Jones went up to,
[23:57] Speaker 1: you know, to fight as heavyweight. None of us were
[23:59] Speaker 1: expecting Roy Jones to knock John Ruiz out, even though
[24:02] Speaker 1: we had watched him knock out just about every light
[24:04] Speaker 1: heavyweight and cruiserweight that had been ahead of him. So
[24:07] Speaker 1: what is the power translation for a guy like Crawford
[24:09] Speaker 1: going up?
[24:11] Speaker 3: I would say it's not the most likely result that
[24:14] Speaker 3: he hurts Canelo, but Terrence Crawford, even at 154, he
[24:18] Speaker 3: can keep you honest with his shots. And there's a difference.
[24:22] Speaker 3: You know, you look at Floyd Mayweather in the latter
[24:25] Speaker 3: stages of his career, you know, the Money Mayweather era
[24:28] Speaker 3: of him. No one would think of him as a
[24:30] Speaker 3: power puncher, but... Just saying, oh, he doesn't have knockout power, well,
[24:35] Speaker 3: that didn't mean that guys could just rush in on
[24:37] Speaker 3: him and go after him and say, oh, this doesn't
[24:39] Speaker 3: hurt at all.
[24:40] Speaker 1: I'm just going to do whatever I want. It doesn't
[24:42] Speaker 1: work like that.
[24:43] Speaker 3: Even if Terrence Crawford doesn't knock you out, you're going
[24:46] Speaker 3: to feel his shots. Canelo has one of the best
[24:50] Speaker 3: chins of this era. He has an all-time great chin.
[24:54] Speaker 3: We've really– Maybe one time seen Canelo even buzzed in
[24:58] Speaker 3: a fight, and that was a long, long time ago
[25:00] Speaker 3: since before he was fighting on the main card of HBO.
[25:04] Speaker 3: So as I would say, it's probably unlikely that we
[25:07] Speaker 3: see Crawford hurt Canelo, but that doesn't mean that he
[25:10] Speaker 3: can't get Canelo's respect with his power.
[25:14] Speaker 1: Corey has been kind enough through the years, especially as
[25:16] Speaker 1: I've been in New York, to help me get in
[25:18] Speaker 1: and check out some of these fights. And I watched
[25:20] Speaker 1: a fight. I think it was a Triple G fight
[25:21] Speaker 1: with Corey's dad. And we sat next to each other.
[25:24] Speaker 1: And I think that was the fight when I learned
[25:27] Speaker 1: something I've talked about on this show before. that ain't
[25:30] Speaker 1: nothing more underrated in sports than the jab. We think
[25:34] Speaker 1: of the jab as just this thing that you do
[25:36] Speaker 1: to get these dudes off of you. Man, I was watching.
[25:39] Speaker 1: It was that fight with the dude that had the
[25:41] Speaker 1: bullet in his spine. That was the fight before the
[25:44] Speaker 1: Triple G fight, right? It was some dude with a
[25:46] Speaker 1: bullet in his spine, and they couldn't do the regular
[25:49] Speaker 1: cat scan on him because they were afraid the bullet
[25:50] Speaker 1: would start moving and he would get paralyzed. And the
[25:53] Speaker 1: theme of this fight night was violence. Kazakhstan defeats African Americans.
[25:59] Speaker 1: This dude with the bullet in his spine was getting
[26:01] Speaker 1: his ass kicked by whoever the next Kazakh Greek was
[26:04] Speaker 1: supposed to be. And then Triple G went up and
[26:06] Speaker 1: hit some dude with a body punch uppercut to knock
[26:08] Speaker 1: him out against the ropes. And I was like, we
[26:09] Speaker 1: are really underselling how hard these cats are hitting. But
[26:12] Speaker 1: I was watching those jabs and I was like, oh,
[26:14] Speaker 1: we got to change the way we think about all
[26:16] Speaker 1: of this, right? Like, even a Floyd Mayweather. It's kind
[26:19] Speaker 1: of like trying to hoop against somebody that's in the NBA,
[26:22] Speaker 1: but they only average 17 points a game. They're going
[26:25] Speaker 1: to get for 50 hooping against you.
[26:28] Speaker 3: Listen, any fighter that you see on TV, if you
[26:31] Speaker 3: don't know how to fight and they hit you with
[26:33] Speaker 3: a jab, that is the end of your work week
[26:36] Speaker 3: at minimum. Listen, I don't advocate for street fighting, but
[26:41] Speaker 3: I will say if you ever had to get into
[26:43] Speaker 3: a street fight, if you could just learn to throw
[26:46] Speaker 3: a correct jab, you will get yourself out of a
[26:48] Speaker 3: lot of problems.
[26:49] Speaker 1: No, I told you about that time when Calvin Brock
[26:52] Speaker 1: was fighting. I went and covered his camp in California, Pennsylvania,
[26:56] Speaker 1: and I walked in there, and it was a dude.
[26:57] Speaker 1: This is why I love working with you because you
[26:59] Speaker 1: knew who all the boxers were. David Cadieux. He was
[27:01] Speaker 1: a French-Canadian heavyweight, and I walked in, and he was
[27:04] Speaker 1: hitting that heavy bag. And, brother, I was listening to
[27:06] Speaker 1: that chain shake, and I was like, oh, man. I
[27:09] Speaker 1: have drastically misunderstood the magnitude of what's going on in
[27:13] Speaker 1: these boxing matches like these. These cats are throwing. And
[27:17] Speaker 1: so then when you start talking about somebody like Canelo
[27:20] Speaker 1: at 168 and it's a, you know, even when he
[27:22] Speaker 1: was fighting at lower weights than that, he's one of
[27:24] Speaker 1: the few guys that to me, when I would look
[27:25] Speaker 1: at guys fighting in those weight classes and I'm looking
[27:28] Speaker 1: at how built they are, he looked big at 154.
[27:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's always been stocky and well-built. His frame has
[27:38] Speaker 3: moved up perfectly every step of the way. And at 168,
[27:41] Speaker 3: he's very, very comfortable now. He's been there for a
[27:43] Speaker 3: couple of years now. And again, even flirted with 175 pounds.
[27:48] Speaker 3: So 168 for Canelo is wound tight and in perfect
[27:53] Speaker 3: condition at this point. And his power has built over
[27:57] Speaker 3: the years. And he's kind of, he's evolved from, from
[28:00] Speaker 3: a guy that I think at one point wanted to
[28:05] Speaker 3: be seen as more of a defensive wizard, was kind
[28:08] Speaker 3: of taking some tactics that he learned from Floyd in
[28:12] Speaker 3: that loss that he took against him, was a little
[28:15] Speaker 3: bit more of a back foot fighter at a certain point,
[28:17] Speaker 3: and now has kind of blended it into this perfect
[28:21] Speaker 3: fusion of the guy that's moving forward, which is always
[28:23] Speaker 3: pleasing for the fans, and it's pleasing to the judges, too,
[28:25] Speaker 3: because they see you forcing the fight, and that goes
[28:28] Speaker 3: a long way on the scorecards. But he's able to
[28:31] Speaker 3: defend while moving forward, which is one of the most
[28:34] Speaker 3: difficult things you can do. It's a lot easier to
[28:36] Speaker 3: defend while you're moving backwards. When you're moving forwards and
[28:39] Speaker 3: you're thinking offensively and trying to pick shots off or
[28:42] Speaker 3: slip them, it's an unbelievably difficult combination of skills to
[28:46] Speaker 3: put together.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Now, this is a broader question than just the fights,
[28:51] Speaker 1: and we may get back to like fight stuff, but
[28:52] Speaker 1: this is a question I wanted to ask because I
[28:54] Speaker 1: think those of us who observe it from a distance
[28:56] Speaker 1: can notice this. I think as Americans, we lose sight
[29:00] Speaker 1: of a lot of things about the world. And one
[29:02] Speaker 1: of the things about the world that I think we
[29:04] Speaker 1: lose sight of is that Mexico has nearly 150 million people.
[29:08] Speaker 1: Like this is Mexican Independence Day fight. Floyd used to
[29:11] Speaker 1: love to fight on this weekend and Cinco de Mayo
[29:14] Speaker 1: because he was a troll, but also because there are
[29:17] Speaker 1: 150 people just in Mexico itself before we start talking
[29:21] Speaker 1: about Mexicans in the United States. Speaking in the economics
[29:24] Speaker 1: of fighting, how important is somebody like Canelo Alvarez? I mean, listen,
[29:29] Speaker 1: he is– so.
[29:33] Speaker 3: I'll introduce a topic that maybe we'll get into also,
[29:35] Speaker 3: but the boxing version of Jordan versus LeBron is– the
[29:40] Speaker 3: GOAT debate that you could just bring up anytime, it's
[29:43] Speaker 3: not actually who's the greatest boxer of all time because
[29:46] Speaker 3: most people agree that Sugar Ray Robinson– it's tough to
[29:49] Speaker 3: argue against it. The argument that you can have ad
[29:52] Speaker 3: nauseum is who's the greatest Mexican boxer of all time.
[29:55] Speaker 3: And you could put Canelo in that conversation. You could
[29:57] Speaker 3: put Julio Cesar Chavez in that conversation. Some people like
[30:00] Speaker 3: Mike Tyson think that it's Salvador Sanchez. What is absolutely
[30:05] Speaker 3: true is that this is the first time that, and
[30:08] Speaker 3: I used this phrase before, the nucleus of boxing, the
[30:10] Speaker 3: biggest star in the sport, the central focus of it,
[30:14] Speaker 3: has been a boxer from Mexico. The cash cow is
[30:18] Speaker 3: Canelo Alvarez. Every time he fights, and my understanding is
[30:22] Speaker 3: that this fight won't be on TV Azteca in Mexico,
[30:25] Speaker 3: but every other time, basically, every notable fight that you've
[30:28] Speaker 3: seen of Canelo, airs on live free television in mexico
[30:33] Speaker 3: and each and every time eclipses 33 million viewers it's
[30:38] Speaker 3: it's a massive massive audience that is integral to the
[30:41] Speaker 3: health of the sport to give you another anecdote i
[30:45] Speaker 3: just came back from mexico where i was calling a
[30:47] Speaker 3: great fight on the zone between eduardo nunez and christopher
[30:50] Speaker 3: diaz if you're bored and you want to see a
[30:51] Speaker 3: banger of a fight go back and check it out
[30:52] Speaker 3: it was in las mochis mexico we did the four
[30:56] Speaker 3: fights that were a part of the We're on our
[31:00] Speaker 3: way out the arena. Bo, there were 14 more fights
[31:05] Speaker 3: that night and no one left the arena. The world
[31:10] Speaker 3: title fight was over. There were 14 more fights. I
[31:13] Speaker 3: don't even know that they knew who the guys were
[31:14] Speaker 3: that were walking up. They were walking guys, not with
[31:17] Speaker 3: ring music, while people were still in the ring to
[31:19] Speaker 3: get more fights out there.
[31:20] Speaker 1: No one left.
[31:21] Speaker 3: That is the level of dedication and the fervence of
[31:27] Speaker 3: the fandom for boxing in Mexico. It's out of this world.
[31:30] Speaker 3: And until you're there, you can't really fully understand it.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Well, is Canelo also, and you and I have talked
[31:36] Speaker 1: about this, and I remember at one point it felt
[31:38] Speaker 1: like we may have been being a little too general,
[31:41] Speaker 1: and then I went on a tour of the Mayan
[31:43] Speaker 1: ruins in Mexico, and I was like, oh, this is
[31:45] Speaker 1: where it comes from. Our Mexican brothers and sisters, as
[31:48] Speaker 1: much as they like people who win fights, They also
[31:51] Speaker 1: really like people who take punishment. Like the idea of
[31:54] Speaker 1: the Mayan, the Mayan idea was you pay homage to
[31:57] Speaker 1: the gods with blood, right? Your own blood, like that
[32:00] Speaker 1: is the sacrifice. Your willingness to endure punishment is what
[32:03] Speaker 1: makes you a hero. And so it's interesting when I
[32:06] Speaker 1: hear you talk about Canelo as being a defensive wizard,
[32:09] Speaker 1: because that's almost counter to what any of us think
[32:11] Speaker 1: about when Mexican fighters.
[32:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's a really good point. Some of the
[32:15] Speaker 3: most beloved Mexican fighters of all time, they don't have
[32:17] Speaker 3: pristine records necessarily, and they are loved even if they lose.
[32:22] Speaker 3: They're loved for simply for being entertaining. There are names
[32:27] Speaker 3: from Mexican boxing history. A guy like Jorge Arce is
[32:32] Speaker 3: on the Hall of Fame ballot, may or may not
[32:34] Speaker 3: get into the Hall of Fame, but there was a
[32:36] Speaker 3: five-year period where he was one of the three most
[32:39] Speaker 3: popular fighters in in the country. And it's because he bled,
[32:42] Speaker 3: he took punishment, came to the ring on a horse
[32:44] Speaker 3: with a lollipop. There were like the theatrics and the
[32:47] Speaker 3: machismo of it just appealed to the audience. And I
[32:52] Speaker 3: think Canelo, he talks the right way and he delivers
[32:56] Speaker 3: fantastic knockouts every once in a while too. And again,
[32:58] Speaker 3: like I said, this new version of Canelo, you see
[33:02] Speaker 3: him moving forward and sometimes just even being the nominal aggressor,
[33:06] Speaker 3: the guy who is on the front foot chasing after someone,
[33:10] Speaker 3: sends the right message to the audience. And that, I think,
[33:13] Speaker 3: has helped, especially in this portion of his career, to
[33:16] Speaker 3: further boost his popularity.
[33:18] Speaker 1: You know, as I hear this, I now think that
[33:20] Speaker 1: maybe the infamous Julio Cesar Chavez-Meljure Taylor fight was the
[33:24] Speaker 1: perfect fight for a Mexican fighter. Get your ass kicked
[33:27] Speaker 1: and somehow win. You get it all at one time. Precisely. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
[33:34] Speaker 1: i need to go back and watch that fight because
[33:36] Speaker 1: i just remember at the time people talking about it
[33:39] Speaker 1: how could this possibly happen and now that i know
[33:41] Speaker 1: more about the world the idea that it could be
[33:44] Speaker 1: two seconds left in the fight ah never mind we've
[33:48] Speaker 1: had enough what like can you imagine in this conspiratorial
[33:53] Speaker 1: era that we have right now if that would have
[33:55] Speaker 1: happened Dude, if yes, if that fight happened, like if
[33:58] Speaker 1: that happens, if Terrence Crawford does that, it gets stopped
[34:01] Speaker 1: by Canelo in that fashion.
[34:03] Speaker 3: Let's say on Saturday night, your timeline will be.
[34:07] Speaker 1: Filled with conspiracies for the next several months. All right.
[34:11] Speaker 1: We'll talk to Corey Urban coming up next. We're going
[34:13] Speaker 1: to talk some more about fights, but some of them
[34:15] Speaker 1: that don't actually count right here on the right time.
[34:21] Speaker 1: All right. We are back with Corey Erdman of The
[34:23] Speaker 1: Zone and Ring Magazine talking some boxing. And we are
[34:29] Speaker 1: in the season of the exhibition fight. If I am
[34:34] Speaker 1: not mistaken, was it your wedding day when Floyd fought
[34:40] Speaker 1: Conor McGregor? Yes, it was. However, that was not an
[34:43] Speaker 1: exhibition fight. Wow, that is so crazy. But it was
[34:46] Speaker 1: so wild. It was a real sanctioned boxing match. It
[34:48] Speaker 1: was so wild because Corey invited me to his wedding,
[34:50] Speaker 1: but it was a little bit late and it was
[34:52] Speaker 1: on my birthday. And so I couldn't quite make it.
[34:54] Speaker 1: But then what I wanted to do fell through. And
[34:56] Speaker 1: so I was stuck watching that travesty just mortified at
[34:59] Speaker 1: the idea. that people were taking this seriously. And then
[35:02] Speaker 1: we go from there. We are in the Jake Paul era,
[35:06] Speaker 1: which has its own quirks and things that come with that. Um,
[35:10] Speaker 1: we have got, what is it? Is he going to
[35:11] Speaker 1: fight a Javante Davis? I think is the next one.
[35:14] Speaker 1: Speaking of two guys who are absolutely not anywhere near
[35:17] Speaker 1: the same weight class, and they're going to have this fight. Um,
[35:21] Speaker 1: who's Mike Tyson going to fight? Um, fighting Floyd Mayweather. Yeah,
[35:27] Speaker 1: that is it. Um, what, what is your read on
[35:32] Speaker 1: all of this? Because one thing you and I talked
[35:33] Speaker 1: about before the show that has to be remembered is
[35:36] Speaker 1: wild exhibition fights are not new, but they do feel
[35:39] Speaker 1: very much of this time in a way that is
[35:42] Speaker 1: not quite positive.
[35:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, they are, they are extremely trendy right now, but
[35:46] Speaker 3: they are absolutely not new. And in fact, like if
[35:50] Speaker 3: you go, if you go back to kind of like the,
[35:53] Speaker 3: you know, the 1900s, so let's say like the beginning
[35:55] Speaker 3: of Queensbury rules boxing, um, Jack Johnson, for example, fought
[36:01] Speaker 3: mostly exhibitions, right? Like there was a period of time
[36:04] Speaker 3: where fighters basically would travel from town to town doing
[36:08] Speaker 3: these exhibitions where they would fight all comers at the
[36:11] Speaker 3: circus or whatever, and then would have the real fights
[36:15] Speaker 3: at some point. And there have been all of your favorites.
[36:19] Speaker 3: I shouldn't say all, but many of your favorites have
[36:21] Speaker 3: had exhibition fights through the years. Muhammad Ali fought Lyle Alzado,
[36:27] Speaker 3: He fought Bernie Semenko, you know, the hockey enforcer. George
[36:33] Speaker 3: Foreman fought five men in one day. People have fought
[36:36] Speaker 3: bears before. Like this is a trend that has always
[36:39] Speaker 3: been there in boxing, but it is particularly popular in
[36:44] Speaker 3: a economy that values virality above all else. And when
[36:52] Speaker 3: you go back to the genesis of Jake Paul's boxing career,
[36:56] Speaker 3: I remember him putting out a video where he kind
[36:59] Speaker 3: of had this hit list, like a wish list of
[37:01] Speaker 3: fighters that he wanted to face. And the names on there,
[37:04] Speaker 3: many of them he did wind up getting in the
[37:06] Speaker 3: ring with him. But when you look back, what he
[37:08] Speaker 3: had correctly identified, which was really obvious that other people
[37:13] Speaker 3: didn't find out, he just figured out who the people
[37:18] Speaker 3: who would pop the algorithm the most would be. Who
[37:21] Speaker 3: are the most popular fighters online? Not necessarily the people
[37:24] Speaker 3: who would be either the most dangerous to him or
[37:27] Speaker 3: anything else. It was the people that would sell the
[37:29] Speaker 3: most tickets and get the most eyeballs. And Tank Davis
[37:33] Speaker 3: is one of them. Gervonta Davis is one of those boxers.
[37:36] Speaker 3: And there's a handful of them that crosses over outside
[37:40] Speaker 3: of the sport. There are people that watch Gervonta Davis
[37:43] Speaker 3: fights that don't watch much else except for these big
[37:49] Speaker 3: major productions, something like a Canelo Crawford. And so to
[37:52] Speaker 3: get him in the ring is a guaranteed financial blockbuster.
[37:57] Speaker 3: So regardless of what the fight winds up looking like,
[38:01] Speaker 3: it's an incredibly wise financial maneuver for Jake.
[38:04] Speaker 1: All right, first question. What is it about Davis that
[38:07] Speaker 1: makes him crossover? I think that he has... So....
[38:14] Speaker 3: Gervonta has been promoted by Al Heyman. And you and
[38:19] Speaker 3: I have had some conversations about this, but Al has
[38:21] Speaker 3: been somewhat of a, he's a controversial figure in boxing.
[38:27] Speaker 3: There are some people who, you know, ascribe all of
[38:29] Speaker 3: boxing's ills to Al Heyman. But one thing that a
[38:33] Speaker 3: lot of people don't understand about Heyman is that he
[38:36] Speaker 3: is one of the most important music promoters of all time.
[38:40] Speaker 3: He has promoted Janet Jackson tours, Beyonce tours, some of
[38:44] Speaker 3: the biggest festivals of all time.
[38:46] Speaker 1: The Budweiser Superfest, if I'm not mistaken. The Budweiser Superfest.
[38:48] Speaker 1: It's the Al Heyman claim to fame. Exactly, right?
[38:51] Speaker 3: So what he knows is how to sell tickets, and
[38:56] Speaker 3: he is a master promoter in terms of getting things
[38:59] Speaker 3: into the mainstream. So while you might not think that
[39:03] Speaker 3: Gervonta Davis is a big star, he absolutely is. There was,
[39:07] Speaker 3: when he fought at Barclays Center the last time, He
[39:10] Speaker 3: did numbers that were on par with name your top
[39:15] Speaker 3: pop music act in terms of ticket sales. He just,
[39:20] Speaker 3: with Al's help and with his appeal, and I think
[39:25] Speaker 3: some of his appeal is his upbringing. People have kind
[39:28] Speaker 3: of seen Gervonta Davis as the child protege growing up
[39:32] Speaker 3: in the Mayweather gym, and they want to root for him.
[39:35] Speaker 3: They want to root for the 130-pound kid from Baltimore
[39:38] Speaker 3: to make it big, and he did. And now I
[39:41] Speaker 3: think people have been continuously invested in that journey. So
[39:45] Speaker 3: when you combine that with a master marketer like Al Heyman,
[39:49] Speaker 3: placing him in spots. He has a connection to hip
[39:53] Speaker 3: hop music. He gets referenced in songs more than any
[39:56] Speaker 3: other boxer. There's just something about Tank that is different
[39:59] Speaker 3: from other fighters in terms of his popularity.
[40:01] Speaker 1: Do you also notice that all these people say they
[40:05] Speaker 1: don't like Al Heyman, but everybody I meet that has
[40:08] Speaker 1: actually met Al Heyman is like, yeah, I like Al. Yeah.
[40:11] Speaker 1: How many people do you know that have met Al Heyman?
[40:13] Speaker 1: Because I don't actually know that many. Actually, now that
[40:15] Speaker 1: I think about it, it may just be one or two.
[40:17] Speaker 1: They're all boxers. The only people I know are boxers.
[40:21] Speaker 1: One of them was Ross Greenberg, who we know Al Hayman.
[40:23] Speaker 1: Al just posted up in Cleveland, right? Somebody was suggesting
[40:28] Speaker 1: something to me about meeting Al, and I was like, yeah.
[40:30] Speaker 1: He's like, cool, he's got to go to Cleveland.
[40:34] Speaker 2: Really?
[40:35] Speaker 1: I'll take that trip for you. Yeah, yeah. As I
[40:38] Speaker 1: tell people all the time, I went to Cleveland to
[40:41] Speaker 1: meet Jake Paul, which is a story that I believe
[40:43] Speaker 1: I have told you and have not told everybody else.
[40:46] Speaker 1: But the Doubletree ain't had no cookies. That's all I'm saying.
[40:51] Speaker 1: And let me tell you this, too. Whenever that gym
[40:53] Speaker 1: was that Jake Paul was there to meet up with
[40:57] Speaker 1: us at, brother, brother, brother, Cleveland, I don't know where
[41:00] Speaker 1: the good part of town is, but it was not
[41:02] Speaker 1: between the Doubletree and there.
[41:05] Speaker 3: Good part of town's at Huntington Bankfield, baby.
[41:07] Speaker 1: Go Browns. That's right. Corey inexplicably grew up in Kitchener,
[41:13] Speaker 1: Ontario and is a Browns fan. Like your other choices,
[41:17] Speaker 1: your being a Tigers fan eventually kind of sort of
[41:20] Speaker 1: paid out was like a little bit strange. The Blackhawks
[41:22] Speaker 1: thing I can halfway get. You just opted for misery
[41:26] Speaker 1: on the Browns. Yeah, I did.
[41:29] Speaker 3: For whatever reason in Kitchener, we would get Browns games
[41:32] Speaker 3: and we would get some Cleveland TV and Cleveland radio.
[41:34] Speaker 3: And I don't know why I did this to myself.
[41:37] Speaker 3: When they left the NFL, I decided I'm not cheering
[41:40] Speaker 3: for anybody. And then they came back and it has
[41:43] Speaker 3: been exactly what it has been ever since.
[41:46] Speaker 1: Now that I think about this, 2025, like the last two,
[41:50] Speaker 1: three years for the Morning Jones have been the wildest thing.
[41:53] Speaker 1: Whoever would have thought. Sasha's from Hamilton. You are from Kitchener.
[41:57] Speaker 1: And basketball players from those two cities would not just
[42:00] Speaker 1: win championships, but be integral parts. Jamal Murray is from Kitchener.
[42:05] Speaker 1: And I will tell you later about my Jamal Murray
[42:08] Speaker 1: in Las Vegas story. And Shea Gildas Alexander is from Hamilton.
[42:14] Speaker 1: The Morning Jones was all over it.
[42:17] Speaker 3: And it's wild seeing that those towns could produce that
[42:21] Speaker 3: level of talent, because let me tell you the caliber
[42:24] Speaker 3: of high school basketball when I was in high school.
[42:28] Speaker 1: There was no Jamal Murray's playing on the St. David Celtics.
[42:33] Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Now, I want to ask you this, though,
[42:37] Speaker 1: about Javante Davis. You explain how he has reached the
[42:42] Speaker 1: magnitude that he has, but. Isn't this a little bit
[42:45] Speaker 1: beneath him? I know boxers could always use a little
[42:48] Speaker 1: extra money, but isn't this a little beneath him?
[42:51] Speaker 3: So I think one of the reasons that this is
[42:53] Speaker 3: compelling to Gervonta is that before his most recent fight
[42:57] Speaker 3: against Lamont Roach, which was a little bit controversial, a
[43:00] Speaker 3: lot of people thought he lost that fight. He was
[43:03] Speaker 3: talking about not wanting to fight anymore and was starting
[43:08] Speaker 3: to really consider what life was like after boxing. He
[43:12] Speaker 3: had an interview with Lil Yachty that was quite revelatory.
[43:16] Speaker 3: This is 2025, man. Where he opened up about a
[43:19] Speaker 3: lot of these things. And listening to it, you got
[43:22] Speaker 3: the sense that this was genuinely someone who was tired
[43:27] Speaker 3: of everything that had been asked of him and wanted.
[43:30] Speaker 1: An exit ramp.
[43:32] Speaker 3: And this is quite a profitable exit ramp if he
[43:35] Speaker 3: could do it. So I think it does make sense.
[43:39] Speaker 3: understanding what Gervonta's mentality seems to be, that this type
[43:43] Speaker 3: of fight would be compelling to him.
[43:45] Speaker 1: You remember that time a 30-year-old boxer walked away? Because
[43:49] Speaker 1: I don't. Right. Just ask him.
[43:56] Speaker 3: Listen, other than there are very few examples of guys
[43:59] Speaker 3: who said they're going to walk away. Marvin Hagler is
[44:02] Speaker 3: the shining example. After the Leonard fight said, I am
[44:06] Speaker 3: done with this. I'm going to go be an actor.
[44:08] Speaker 1: I have been betrayed. I have been betrayed by this
[44:12] Speaker 1: sport in a way I could never forget. Y'all know
[44:14] Speaker 1: I didn't lose that fight. And then left and never
[44:17] Speaker 1: came back. He would come around.
[44:19] Speaker 3: You would see him at the Hall of Fame and whatnot,
[44:21] Speaker 3: but very few people have that kind of conviction on
[44:26] Speaker 3: that front. And a lot of people admire Hagler about that.
[44:29] Speaker 3: A lot of people cite Hagler as one of their heroes.
[44:32] Speaker 3: Everyone wears the war hat and everything, but Not a
[44:35] Speaker 3: lot of people would do what Hagler did.
[44:38] Speaker 1: The other part of it, too. And I'm going to
[44:41] Speaker 1: say this in case Gervonta happens to be out here listening.
[44:44] Speaker 1: Highly unlikely circumstance, but just in case. But young man,
[44:48] Speaker 1: you're probably learned this already. But if you didn't, I'm
[44:50] Speaker 1: going to put you up on this game as you
[44:51] Speaker 1: need to know, as I've learned in various stretches. The
[44:55] Speaker 1: only thing that don't cost money in this world is
[44:57] Speaker 1: going to work. Like, I don't know, like, what kind
[45:00] Speaker 1: of spending he has grown accustomed to, what kind of
[45:03] Speaker 1: lifestyle he lives. But the lifestyle that you live while
[45:06] Speaker 1: you work, unless you really been planning to quit, brother.
[45:10] Speaker 1: You know, and I got, you know, maybe you can
[45:12] Speaker 1: get out here, get on the mic. You know what
[45:14] Speaker 1: I'm saying? Be on the call with you. Talk about
[45:16] Speaker 1: these fights. But I'm going to quit and not work.
[45:20] Speaker 1: I've had that idea many times. And then I look
[45:23] Speaker 1: around at some of this stuff I be doing. And
[45:25] Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think that's going to work the
[45:28] Speaker 1: way you think it will, brother.
[45:30] Speaker 3: The problem is his job, the base level requirement is
[45:34] Speaker 3: to get hit with one of those jabs.
[45:36] Speaker 1: Yes, that is a great point. I just can't imagine
[45:41] Speaker 1: the idea. And I think I told you when I
[45:43] Speaker 1: did that story on Calvin Brock and I met his guy, Yankello,
[45:48] Speaker 1: I think his name, Tom Yankello. Tom Yankello, yeah. And
[45:51] Speaker 1: I asked him, I just wanted to know, because the
[45:53] Speaker 1: story on Calvin Brock was he lost the fight to Klitschko,
[45:55] Speaker 1: which kind of sort of ended his career, as I recall,
[45:57] Speaker 1: like a detached retina was involved or something like that. Now,
[46:00] Speaker 1: fun part, I flew all the way to Pittsburgh, well,
[46:03] Speaker 1: flew to Pittsburgh to go to California to to interview
[46:06] Speaker 1: a guy who lived in my neighborhood in Durham. It
[46:08] Speaker 1: was the wildest thing, which I learned once I got
[46:11] Speaker 1: up there to interview him. And so I asked Yankello,
[46:13] Speaker 1: I'm like, look, man, you know, and Brock was a banker.
[46:15] Speaker 1: Like he worked at Bank of America. I'm like, what
[46:17] Speaker 1: are you doing this for? Like, why are you out
[46:19] Speaker 1: here getting hit in the face? And he said, he
[46:20] Speaker 1: just loved to do it. He never thought about losing
[46:23] Speaker 1: all of this stuff.
[46:23] Speaker 2: Right.
[46:23] Speaker 1: So I asked Yankello, man, how hard it is. to
[46:26] Speaker 1: get jabbed in the face. And I can't remember if
[46:28] Speaker 1: he said it was like getting hit with a 25-pound
[46:30] Speaker 1: weight drop from a 20-story window or like getting hit
[46:34] Speaker 1: with a 20-pound weight drop from a 25-story window. But
[46:36] Speaker 1: do the details really matter? No.
[46:39] Speaker 3: And listen, you referenced Terrence Crawford versus Errol Spence, right?
[46:43] Speaker 3: There was a knockdown in that fight that was from
[46:45] Speaker 3: a jab. Errol Spence got knocked down by a jab, right?
[46:50] Speaker 3: If someone knows how to throw that jab, you're in serious,
[46:54] Speaker 3: serious danger.
[46:55] Speaker 1: And if you.
[46:56] Speaker 3: Again, like for a regular person who doesn't get punched
[46:58] Speaker 3: in the face, if you get hit in the nose,
[47:00] Speaker 3: your eyes are going to water, right? Like everything is
[47:03] Speaker 3: going to go out the window. So the base level requirement, again,
[47:07] Speaker 3: of boxing is learning how to get hit with that
[47:10] Speaker 3: and not tear up, right?
[47:12] Speaker 1: That's the first thing that you have to learn as
[47:13] Speaker 1: you start to fight.
[47:15] Speaker 3: Because if you can't get past that, and some people can't,
[47:18] Speaker 3: you can't box.
[47:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, if I thump you in the nose like that,
[47:21] Speaker 1: it is entirely possible that your shit go fill up.
[47:24] Speaker 1: And it's not because of anything wrong with you. It's
[47:26] Speaker 1: a defense mechanism. It's your humanity trying to push through. Yeah, exactly.
[47:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's your body sending a signal to the other
[47:34] Speaker 3: person to say, leave me alone.
[47:37] Speaker 1: All right. So I have pulled up Hagler in the
[47:40] Speaker 1: wiki and this is his life after boxing paragraph, the
[47:43] Speaker 1: whole thing. After the loss of Leonard Hagler moved to
[47:46] Speaker 1: Italy where he became a well-known star of action films.
[47:49] Speaker 1: His roles included a U.S. Marine in the films Indio
[47:51] Speaker 1: and Indio 2. In 1997, he starred alongside Terrence Hill
[47:55] Speaker 1: and Gisele Blondette in Virtual Weapon. Those sound like awful movies.
[47:59] Speaker 1: Hagler also provided boxing commentary for British television. Another foray
[48:03] Speaker 1: by Hagler in the entertainment field included work on the
[48:05] Speaker 1: video game Fight Night Round 3. We ain't talking about
[48:08] Speaker 1: no boxing. The other part that I find interesting in
[48:11] Speaker 1: this is... Although he owned a home in Bartlett, New Hampshire,
[48:14] Speaker 1: Hagler lived in Milan. This is not the post-fight life
[48:18] Speaker 1: that we hear about. This is not Larry Holmes taking
[48:21] Speaker 1: it back to Easton. No, no.
[48:24] Speaker 3: And Hagler is a more interesting character than some people
[48:27] Speaker 3: give him credit for because like a lot of people love,
[48:30] Speaker 3: they love that image of the prime Hagler who wore
[48:33] Speaker 3: the combat boots and like, you know, would train in
[48:35] Speaker 3: a shack and sequester himself and whatnot. But Then you
[48:38] Speaker 3: have this really cultured guy who wanted to live in Italy.
[48:42] Speaker 3: And even during his boxing career, you know, people always
[48:45] Speaker 3: talk about the Spartan training techniques of Marvin Hagler. And
[48:48] Speaker 3: they'll always use him as this kind of avatar for
[48:52] Speaker 3: you don't need all this modern strength and conditioning stuff. Like,
[48:54] Speaker 3: look at what Marvin Hagler did. But then, like, just
[48:57] Speaker 3: Google Marvin Hagler ballet. Marvin Hagler, at a certain point
[49:02] Speaker 3: in his career, was like, I'm going to experiment with ballet.
[49:04] Speaker 3: It might make me a little bit more flexible and whatnot.
[49:06] Speaker 3: We sometimes use fighters or anyone as these avatars of
[49:10] Speaker 3: masculinity and ignore a lot of things that they did.
[49:14] Speaker 3: Marvin Hagler was a lot more complicated, a lot more cultured. Oh,
[49:17] Speaker 3: that's right, because he did the right thing.
[49:20] Speaker 1: Guard commercials that would kind of parody all that stuff. Right.
[49:23] Speaker 1: I will say this for Hagler, Hagler until he was 13,
[49:27] Speaker 1: lived in Newark. And then when the riots hit Newark,
[49:30] Speaker 1: Hagler then moved to, uh, Boston. And all I'm saying
[49:36] Speaker 1: is I'd be trying to blow this pop stand too. Like,
[49:40] Speaker 1: after all this happened, as soon as I got my
[49:43] Speaker 1: opportunity to get the hell out of Dodge, I'd have
[49:46] Speaker 1: been long gone, baby.
[49:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, and he moved to Rocky Marciano territory, right?
[49:54] Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. That's right. Hey, man, I'd be ready
[49:58] Speaker 1: to fight all the time, too. That reminded me.
[50:02] Speaker 3: I was going to say, I was writing the other
[50:04] Speaker 3: week about, and this will tie back into the fight,
[50:07] Speaker 3: about Mackie Shillstone, who wound up being Serena Williams' strength
[50:10] Speaker 3: and conditioning coach, kind of helped Peyton Manning in his
[50:13] Speaker 3: later stages of his career. But he was kind of
[50:15] Speaker 3: the architect of how we understand moving up in weight now.
[50:19] Speaker 3: And he helped Michael Spinks when he moved up to
[50:22] Speaker 3: beat Larry Holmes. But it reminded me of the classic
[50:26] Speaker 3: Larry Holmes press conference when he's talking to Rocky Marciano's family.
[50:31] Speaker 1: And again, when people talk about.
[50:33] Speaker 3: Larry Holmes as this uncharismatic guy, they forget Larry Holmes
[50:37] Speaker 3: was an A + + trash talker.
[50:41] Speaker 1: Go back and watch that press conference. Rocky couldn't carry
[50:43] Speaker 1: my jockstrap. They asked the wrong man the wrong question
[50:49] Speaker 1: at the wrong time. Because that's right, the Spinks fight,
[50:52] Speaker 1: he was supposed to pass Rocky Marciano, right? For the most... And...
[50:57] Speaker 1: He was not having any of it. Rocket couldn't carry my,
[51:01] Speaker 1: and it was hilarious. Like you can say what you
[51:03] Speaker 1: want about the timing. It was hilarious. And Oh, by
[51:05] Speaker 1: the way, guys who walked away from boxing, never to
[51:08] Speaker 1: be seen again. Number one on that list is Michael Spinks.
[51:12] Speaker 1: At least I've seen Marvin Hagler since then. I didn't
[51:17] Speaker 1: know until this very moment that Michael Spinks was still alive.
[51:20] Speaker 1: He took that L from Mike Tyson and was like,
[51:23] Speaker 1: why am I ever going to do this again? Oh yeah.
[51:28] Speaker 1: He got out of here real quick.
[51:29] Speaker 3: And again, that the way that it ended for Spinks
[51:33] Speaker 3: moving up to heavyweight, they're getting knocked out by, by
[51:36] Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. People forget he is one of the greatest
[51:39] Speaker 3: light heavyweights of all time. This is an all time
[51:42] Speaker 3: great fighter, a bad, bad, bad man. But, that's a
[51:45] Speaker 3: clip that he's never going to be able to escape.
[51:48] Speaker 1: Well, first of all, he beat Larry Spinks. I mean,
[51:50] Speaker 1: Larry Holmes twice. Yes. Which I did not realize. Right.
[51:53] Speaker 1: He beat Larry Holmes twice. He did it for the
[51:56] Speaker 1: people and beat Jerry Cooney. We just, you know, we just,
[51:59] Speaker 1: we needed to, we needed to do something about that.
[52:01] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He went ahead and he
[52:03] Speaker 1: did that. And the thing about the Tyson fight with
[52:06] Speaker 1: him is that part of why the Tyson Spinks fight
[52:09] Speaker 1: resonates is because Michael Spinks was so good. Like this
[52:14] Speaker 1: wasn't Peter McNeely that he did this to. And it
[52:17] Speaker 1: was just the look on his face going in there.
[52:20] Speaker 1: Like whatever film he watched told these guys who think
[52:23] Speaker 1: they could beat anybody. Let him know you are hopeless. Yeah.
[52:28] Speaker 1: In this circumstance. Exactly.
[52:29] Speaker 3: Well, and it's, it rarely do you see that in
[52:32] Speaker 3: Bob because boxers have great poker faces for all the
[52:34] Speaker 3: reasons that we've been describing throughout this episode. But, I
[52:38] Speaker 3: don't think that anyone is editorializing when they go back
[52:42] Speaker 3: and watch that fight and the camera pans to Spinks
[52:45] Speaker 3: after Tyson had walked in the ring to surmise that
[52:49] Speaker 3: this is a man who was a little bit afraid
[52:52] Speaker 3: of what was about to happen.
[52:53] Speaker 1: Have you seen the David Wayans routine about what he
[52:55] Speaker 1: would do if he had to go fight Mike Tyson?
[52:57] Speaker 1: He'd be like, weighing in at 185 pounds and standing
[53:01] Speaker 1: in a puddle of his own piss. David Wayans. Come on, man.
[53:06] Speaker 1: Come on. And maybe this is something I need to
[53:11] Speaker 1: find some way to do something about. It's just to
[53:14] Speaker 1: replicate the terror that Mike Tyson inflicted upon the world
[53:20] Speaker 1: for a good five years. Five solid years. There's never
[53:26] Speaker 1: been anything like this. Those of us who grew up
[53:28] Speaker 1: and came of age of boxing with that, it was
[53:31] Speaker 1: really hard to adjust after the fact. There was just
[53:33] Speaker 1: nothing like this. Maybe the George Foreman people could remember
[53:36] Speaker 1: something similar.
[53:38] Speaker 3: But even Foreman, it wasn't this. It was something different.
[53:42] Speaker 3: And again, you go back to the ring walk, right?
[53:44] Speaker 3: And the fear that he instilled in his opponents, it
[53:50] Speaker 3: just came from him. Because Tyson ring walks, he wasn't
[53:54] Speaker 3: riding to the ring on a tank. He didn't have
[53:56] Speaker 3: any theatric. It was him with a towel that he
[53:59] Speaker 3: cut with some scissors in the back and some DMX
[54:04] Speaker 3: or Tupac and him just walking to the ring.
[54:07] Speaker 1: He didn't need.
[54:09] Speaker 3: To produce a spectacle to make you nervous about what
[54:13] Speaker 3: was happening. It was just that you were about to
[54:15] Speaker 3: fight him.
[54:16] Speaker 1: And 80s Mike Tyson was literally the... black person that
[54:24] Speaker 1: people were afraid of. You notice I didn't say white people, right?
[54:27] Speaker 1: Black people were afraid of him too. Why? Because he
[54:31] Speaker 1: might've punched your grandmother in the jaw to steal her groceries.
[54:34] Speaker 1: Like he was wholeheartedly, it's amazing that Mike Tyson thrives
[54:39] Speaker 1: and exists in society in the way that he does
[54:41] Speaker 1: right now. Because no one has ever been more terrifying
[54:45] Speaker 1: than Mike Tyson was. Like how crazy it is that
[54:48] Speaker 1: Snoop exists like he does now? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[54:52] Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with what– that has nothing
[54:54] Speaker 1: on Mike Tyson.
[54:55] Speaker 3: I mean it might have something to do with both–
[54:58] Speaker 3: people just want to smoke weed with both of them.
[55:00] Speaker 1: That is true. That is– there's something to that.
[55:04] Speaker 3: One thing I was going to say about Mike though
[55:05] Speaker 3: too is like in addition to him being terrifying, when
[55:08] Speaker 3: you look back, you also realize– and you've made this point.
[55:11] Speaker 3: I've always remembered this. You made this point about Ali.
[55:14] Speaker 3: and how photogenic he was, and how cool he was.
[55:17] Speaker 3: Mike Tyson was really cool. And when you look back
[55:20] Speaker 3: at Mike in that era, the stuff he's wearing, you
[55:22] Speaker 3: put that fit on today, and you're getting compliments.
[55:27] Speaker 1: But it was a brooding cool, right? Mike Tyson walks
[55:31] Speaker 1: in the room, he's that guy, because don't nobody want
[55:34] Speaker 1: to smoke. He is the ultimate don't nobody. You wouldn't
[55:39] Speaker 1: want to smoke with him, even if you didn't know
[55:40] Speaker 1: he was the heavyweight champion. You would just know when
[55:43] Speaker 1: he walked in. Y'all want to smoke. Yeah.
[55:47] Speaker 3: The guy in the overalls and no shirt.
[55:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't want to mess with him. With the powdered
[55:53] Speaker 1: donut all over his mustache. That's the thing about it.
[55:56] Speaker 1: It had the nerve to be like really badly on cocaine.
[56:02] Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, we can joke about this. He's pretty
[56:04] Speaker 1: open about everything he did.
[56:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the.
[56:06] Speaker 1: Thing, man.
[56:07] Speaker 2: Like, it's all.
[56:09] Speaker 1: The wildest thing about him is there's only one thing
[56:11] Speaker 1: he won't cop to. And it's the case in Indiana.
[56:16] Speaker 1: That seems pretty clearly to be what they said it was. Yeah.
[56:20] Speaker 1: But the most compelling argument on his side is he
[56:23] Speaker 1: cops to everything else. Right. Yeah. He does not cop
[56:27] Speaker 1: to this one. I would also point out whoever's job
[56:30] Speaker 1: it was to be like, let's bring Mike in front
[56:32] Speaker 1: of the beauty pageant contestants. That was not what I
[56:38] Speaker 1: would have recommended.
[56:42] Speaker 3: Something that probably wouldn't happen in 2012.
[56:44] Speaker 1: I can say that. It might very well happen in 2025.
[56:47] Speaker 1: Todo es posible en 2025, mi hermano. Estoy practicando un poco. Oh, sí, sí, sí.
[56:57] Speaker 1: Yo tomo lecciones dos días cada semana. Por dos años ahora.
[57:06] Speaker 1: Now the jig is up for me. I'm pretty slow.
[57:10] Speaker 1: But you've been down there in Rio, Mexico. Cory hit
[57:13] Speaker 1: me up like, yo, I'm in Oaxaca. You need to
[57:15] Speaker 1: come check it out. Cory knows the spots. Yeah, I'm
[57:19] Speaker 1: not at the resort, man. I'm out there. Let me
[57:22] Speaker 1: tell you about Hermosillo. You are in... you are in
[57:27] Speaker 1: estas calles that's where you are in these streets ladies
[57:32] Speaker 1: and gentlemen that is the great cory urban check him
[57:35] Speaker 1: out at ring magazine check him out at the zone
[57:37] Speaker 1: talking boxing my brother i love you and i appreciate
[57:40] Speaker 1: you spending the time with us man Love you, bro.
[57:43] Speaker 1: See you soon. All right, man. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks
[57:44] Speaker 1: so much for joining us here on The Right Time.
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