# Chiefs blow it vs. Jaguars, Giannis-Knicks trade rumors, ESPN-Paul Finebaum dilemma | 10.07

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 7 Oct 2025, 55 min.

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On a special bonus episode, Bomani Jones reacts to the Chiefs stunning loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, and explains why he still believes Kansas City will make the playoffs. Later, he explores the reports of trade discussions between the Milwaukee Bucks and the New York Knicks and explains why he thinks it is best for Giannis to stay in Milwaukee. After the break, he discusses the awkward situation between ESPN and Paul Finebaum, the upcoming UFC event at the White House, the poor reviews for Taylor Swift's album, and much more! 01:00 - Jaguars Stun Chiefs 15:50 - Why Giannis Shouldn't Want to Be Traded to the Knicks 33:00 - ESPN's Paul Finebaum Problem 41:30 - Taylor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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[0:20] Speaker 1: a hater. It's a bonus episode for you. We're going
[0:23] Speaker 1: to talk a little NBA in just a moment. Also
[0:26] Speaker 1: take your voicemails. So Monday night, the Chiefs played against
[0:31] Speaker 1: the Jaguars. And I got to tell you, man, it
[0:34] Speaker 1: was really looking like the Chiefs were heading right back
[0:36] Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl until they fuck around and lost.
[0:41] Speaker 1: I don't really know any other way to put that.
[0:45] Speaker 1: The Mahomes pick six, for example, that was, oh man,
[0:48] Speaker 1: fucking around, man.
[0:49] Speaker 2: Just got caught up in that.
[0:51] Speaker 1: It looked, and Ryan, you tell me if I'm crazy, man,
[0:53] Speaker 1: but it was looking like the Chiefs of your youth
[0:57] Speaker 1: a little early there.
[0:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you get out to early 14-point lead
[1:03] Speaker 3: Mahomes is throwing the ball over the field. Xavier Worthy
[1:06] Speaker 3: is looking good. And this is the exact sort of
[1:08] Speaker 3: game they won every time last year and seem to
[1:12] Speaker 3: lose every time this year. Yes.
[1:14] Speaker 1: Now, I want you to tell me what you think
[1:15] Speaker 1: about this right fast, because I think that we've talked
[1:17] Speaker 1: a lot about the Chiefs and the lack of weaponry
[1:21] Speaker 1: that they had given Mahomes over time.
[1:22] Speaker 2: And I think that that's fair.
[1:23] Speaker 1: But either Taequann Thornton, Hollywood Brown or Xavier Worthy is
[1:29] Speaker 1: going to be the number three receiver.
[1:31] Speaker 2: For this team.
[1:32] Speaker 1: That to me sounds like a very good receiving core.
[1:34] Speaker 3: I knew you have to remember after in two weeks,
[1:36] Speaker 3: they're getting Rasheed Rice back.
[1:38] Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
[1:38] Speaker 1: And once every month or so, you'll probably get a
[1:42] Speaker 1: good game out of Travis Kelsey. They got a touchdown
[1:44] Speaker 1: last night. In fact, and that's no, he just, oh man,
[1:47] Speaker 1: like it amazes me how we just completely ignored it.
[1:50] Speaker 1: These cats get old.
[1:52] Speaker 3: He's one of the like five or six NFL players
[1:55] Speaker 3: older than me.
[1:56] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:57] Speaker 5: Yes.
[1:58] Speaker 2: How about this? If I'm not mistaken, He's older than Gronk.
[2:02] Speaker 3: They're almost exactly the same age. And Gronk is almost
[2:06] Speaker 3: about to be eligible for the Hall of Fame.
[2:07] Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was about to say.
[2:08] Speaker 3: He retired twice.
[2:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be in the Hall of Fame.
[2:10] Speaker 1: If he had stuck out the first retirement, right?
[2:14] Speaker 3: He'd be in the Hall of Fame.
[2:15] Speaker 1: If he came back in 2020, he would be in
[2:16] Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. And Travis Kelsey is still playing football. Now,
[2:20] Speaker 1: also of note, Rob Gronkowski played like three, four seasons
[2:24] Speaker 1: before Travis Kelsey caught a pass.
[2:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, because he came out super early, right?
[2:31] Speaker 2: He came out young.
[2:32] Speaker 1: Kelsey was in school as an older guy and then
[2:37] Speaker 1: missed the first season with an injury, right? So we
[2:40] Speaker 1: get these weird quirks. But anyway, the other thing that
[2:43] Speaker 1: was like, damn, the Chiefs just got fucked around and lost. Travis,
[2:47] Speaker 1: not Travis, Trevor Lawrence. It's one thing when I call
[2:51] Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, Jordan Jefferson, because Jordan Jefferson is his brother.
[2:54] Speaker 2: That's who we met first.
[2:55] Speaker 1: But if I call Trevor Lawrence, Travis Lawrence, that, that,
[2:59] Speaker 1: I mean, my dad wouldn't even do that. But anyway,
[3:04] Speaker 1: if you did not see the touchdown where the Jaguars
[3:08] Speaker 1: won this game, Trevor Lawrence, one of his two rushing touchdowns,
[3:12] Speaker 1: by the way, Trevor Lawrence drops back and falls down.
[3:19] Speaker 2: Dropping back. But nobody touched him.
[3:23] Speaker 1: And so he gets up and it's kind of a
[3:26] Speaker 1: chaotic scramble. It doesn't appear that he even bothered to
[3:29] Speaker 1: look to see if perhaps there was a pass for
[3:31] Speaker 1: him to throw. He got up and I mean, Trevor
[3:35] Speaker 1: Lawrence is a fairly athletic chap, but I mean, he's
[3:40] Speaker 1: not Michael Vick. He got up and he put everything
[3:44] Speaker 1: together and he went in and he scored a touchdown.
[3:48] Speaker 1: And I don't know if anybody on the internet has
[3:51] Speaker 1: put any music to that video. Back when you could
[3:55] Speaker 1: talk about Kanye in front of people, it was the
[3:58] Speaker 1: father stretched my hands joint for those kinds of things.
[4:02] Speaker 1: If you wanted to go real old school, because I
[4:11] Speaker 1: need some ironic triumphant music for what went on. I don't,
[4:17] Speaker 1: you know, I'm a younger sibling and therefore you have
[4:21] Speaker 1: different kinds of events and things that happen in your
[4:23] Speaker 1: life as a younger sibling. And every now and then
[4:27] Speaker 1: you got to like, try to run away.
[4:30] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[4:31] Speaker 1: Like my siblings are way older, so they was never
[4:33] Speaker 1: going to do anything terrible to me. But at the
[4:35] Speaker 1: same time, you don't really know this. And when you
[4:38] Speaker 1: running away, when you fall down and have to get up,
[4:43] Speaker 1: it feels like you're moving like molasses trying to get
[4:47] Speaker 1: it back together because the stakes are so high. It's
[4:50] Speaker 1: not even so much about how fast you're actually moving.
[4:53] Speaker 1: It's about everything relative to the sphere of the world
[4:56] Speaker 1: that you happen to be in in that moment. I
[5:00] Speaker 1: cannot imagine how panicked and terrified and how slowly Trevor
[5:05] Speaker 1: Lawrence felt like he was moving when he was trying
[5:08] Speaker 1: to get up after falling down.
[5:09] Speaker 2: Because I don't care what nobody say.
[5:12] Speaker 1: I can't imagine having to go back into that locker
[5:14] Speaker 1: room having to say, sorry about that, fellas.
[5:16] Speaker 2: I just tripped over my shoelaces. I'll make sure I
[5:18] Speaker 2: tie them next time.
[5:21] Speaker 1: We got a chance to go out here and win
[5:22] Speaker 1: the game right now. And we don't win it because
[5:24] Speaker 1: I feel down. Now, on the other hand, imagine what
[5:29] Speaker 1: it's like being any of those Kansas City Chiefs who
[5:33] Speaker 1: have now realized that Trevor Lawrence has fallen down and
[5:38] Speaker 1: it might.
[5:39] Speaker 4: Be your chance to be a hero, to go make
[5:42] Speaker 4: that move. But what if you made that move and
[5:46] Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence got up and he ran right where you
[5:49] Speaker 4: were supposed to be, but you thought you had your chance?
[5:54] Speaker 4: I could just see thought bubbles for everybody in that
[5:57] Speaker 4: moment as it happens.
[6:00] Speaker 1: And then Trevor Lawrence scores the touchdown. And then Trevor
[6:03] Speaker 1: Lawrence thought bubble turns into had it all the way.
[6:08] Speaker 1: And the Chiefs thought bubbles turn to, damn, maybe we
[6:13] Speaker 1: not going to make the playoffs.
[6:14] Speaker 2: Like, Ryan, you think they're going to make the playoffs?
[6:17] Speaker 3: I do. I just, they have a tough schedule, but
[6:21] Speaker 3: the AFC is bad. there, there's a lot of teams
[6:25] Speaker 3: you can almost go through and cross off already. We're not,
[6:28] Speaker 3: we're not even to, you know, well, this is starting
[6:31] Speaker 3: to start getting into the holidays of October yet, but
[6:34] Speaker 3: I mean, it is, yeah. I mean, do you believe,
[6:36] Speaker 3: do you like, even in that own division, do you
[6:38] Speaker 3: believe in the chargers? No offensive linemen. Do you believe
[6:41] Speaker 3: in Bo Nix?
[6:43] Speaker 1: You got, you hit, you hit it right there. That's
[6:45] Speaker 1: what I was about to say. We're talking about whether
[6:48] Speaker 1: or not they're going to go to the playoffs.
[6:49] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[6:50] Speaker 2: If you watched the chargers play Washington, yeah.
[6:54] Speaker 1: On Sunday, you feel like the Chiefs are going to
[6:57] Speaker 1: win the division.
[6:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[6:58] Speaker 1: And by the way, in spite of going on the
[7:02] Speaker 1: road and beating the Eagles and scoring 18 points in
[7:05] Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, I do not think there was very
[7:08] Speaker 1: much encouraging that came out of that, to me at least.
[7:12] Speaker 2: For Broncos-Eagles.
[7:13] Speaker 1: Like, I felt like the Eagles lost that game, but
[7:16] Speaker 1: I did not come away from that thinking, oh, okay,
[7:18] Speaker 1: maybe I've been wrong about the Broncos, and I damn
[7:20] Speaker 1: sure didn't come away from it feeling like I was
[7:22] Speaker 1: wrong about Bo Nix. Like, I'm out here having to
[7:25] Speaker 1: try to, you know, entertain some possibilities with Baker Mayfield
[7:29] Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold.
[7:30] Speaker 2: I still cannot believe they have played their way out
[7:32] Speaker 2: of Journeyman.
[7:33] Speaker 1: Even Geno Smith didn't really play his way out of
[7:36] Speaker 1: Journeyman because he went on another journey right after he had, like.
[7:39] Speaker 2: Got, and now he out here looking like the Journeyman.
[7:42] Speaker 3: Journey might be over soon.
[7:43] Speaker 2: I say the end of the end of the road
[7:45] Speaker 2: is what it's looking like over there right now.
[7:47] Speaker 1: And I think that's just because he's like, dude, I
[7:48] Speaker 1: play with bums and I got to somebody got to
[7:51] Speaker 1: do something. I feel like he I feel like he
[7:52] Speaker 1: taking one for the team right now because I can't
[7:54] Speaker 1: see how he got so bad so fast after being
[7:57] Speaker 1: I thought very good last year.
[7:59] Speaker 3: I mean, Bo Nix falls into, I think, where you
[8:02] Speaker 3: and I have a similar bias, which is players who
[8:05] Speaker 3: are not good in the SEC.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Yes. That's it.
[8:11] Speaker 1: I saw him be not good for those whole three years.
[8:15] Speaker 2: Bo Nix is as old as Travis Kelsey. I hope
[8:17] Speaker 2: he figures some shit out by now.
[8:19] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[8:20] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. There are.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Bo Nix is old enough. We need to keep him
[8:24] Speaker 3: away from Mark Sanchez.
[8:25] Speaker 1: Yo, there's something very interesting that happens when you watch
[8:28] Speaker 1: a guy play too much college football. Like, I think
[8:31] Speaker 1: for real this happened with Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman. Like,
[8:34] Speaker 1: they drafted Troy Aikman with the number one pick and
[8:36] Speaker 1: then drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft a couple
[8:39] Speaker 1: of months after that because Jimmy's boys broke Troy's leg.
[8:43] Speaker 2: Right? In that game.
[8:44] Speaker 1: And Jimmy had been watching Troy since he was in
[8:46] Speaker 1: high school because Jimmy coached at Oklahoma State.
[8:48] Speaker 3: You know too much.
[8:49] Speaker 1: I think he knew too much. But I don't think
[8:51] Speaker 1: we're wrong in this about Bo Nix. Like every now
[8:54] Speaker 1: and then I see Bo Nix make like a flash play.
[8:57] Speaker 1: But what I think Bo Nix is when it really
[8:59] Speaker 1: comes down to it, he has an offensive genius head
[9:04] Speaker 1: coach who I think believes that his system can figure
[9:09] Speaker 1: out what to do with a quarterback if they have
[9:11] Speaker 1: insert traits here. And Bo Nix has those traits, and
[9:15] Speaker 1: he thinks that, okay, we can work this out in
[9:17] Speaker 1: what I do.
[9:18] Speaker 3: And you hear Sean Payton talk about what he liked
[9:20] Speaker 3: about Bo Nix so much. He said he didn't turn
[9:22] Speaker 3: the ball over and take sacks, which is code speak
[9:25] Speaker 3: for he does what I'll tell him to do.
[9:27] Speaker 2: He does what I'll tell him to do, but let's
[9:28] Speaker 2: be honest about this.
[9:32] Speaker 1: Drew Brees is the highest echelon system quarterback ever. like
[9:38] Speaker 1: he got it together at the end in San Diego
[9:41] Speaker 1: right I don't want to pretend like he didn't and
[9:43] Speaker 1: I think it was running a North Turner offense like
[9:45] Speaker 1: getting toward the end too so I don't want to
[9:46] Speaker 1: pretend like he never had anything going to San Diego
[9:48] Speaker 1: right but go look at the offense Drew Brees ran
[9:52] Speaker 1: at Purdue go look how it started in the NFL
[9:56] Speaker 1: where it was so bad that he won comeback player
[9:58] Speaker 1: of the year in 2004 and the wasn't an injury.
[10:01] Speaker 1: And then go look at what it was when he
[10:03] Speaker 1: got with Sean Payton. That Sean Payton offense that he
[10:05] Speaker 1: was running looked a lot like what they were doing
[10:07] Speaker 1: at Purdue, which is a super-duper system quarterback offense. That's
[10:11] Speaker 1: not shade to Drew Brees. He is a no-brainer Hall
[10:14] Speaker 1: of Famer who somehow figured out how to make his
[10:17] Speaker 1: neck longer. There's no way his neck was always that long.
[10:22] Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. Every quarterback who is under
[10:26] Speaker 3: 6'2 is a system quarterback.
[10:28] Speaker 2: Or super athlete.
[10:29] Speaker 3: Or super, super athlete, yes.
[10:31] Speaker 6: Right.
[10:31] Speaker 1: But Drew Brees is out there on his toenails with
[10:34] Speaker 1: his neck all the way up, looking over the lines
[10:37] Speaker 1: and making it happen. And so I think with Bo Nix,
[10:39] Speaker 1: Sean Payton sees a guy like, oh, if he'll just
[10:41] Speaker 1: do what I tell him, then we can make everything work.
[10:44] Speaker 1: But to get that back to the Chiefs, the way
[10:46] Speaker 1: things are stacking up for the Chiefs right now, them
[10:49] Speaker 1: going to the playoffs, yeah, they're going to the playoffs.
[10:52] Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and say it right now.
[10:55] Speaker 2: They're going to win this. the AFC West. That's right.
[11:00] Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if they're going to have the
[11:03] Speaker 1: number one overall seed. That appears to be.
[11:10] Speaker 2: The Indianapolis Colts.
[11:15] Speaker 3: You get to play the Titans twice. You know, that helps.
[11:18] Speaker 1: Titans twice, Texans twice, and honestly, you could do worse
[11:22] Speaker 1: than a couple of games against the Jags.
[11:24] Speaker 5: Right?
[11:25] Speaker 1: But no, look, I mean, How do you feel about
[11:28] Speaker 1: the fact that Buffalo can't stop nobody from running the ball?
[11:31] Speaker 3: And also, I mean, we thought, you know, Bill's Ravens
[11:34] Speaker 3: opening Sunday night of the season was a match between
[11:37] Speaker 3: two Titans.
[11:38] Speaker 2: No, it was not.
[11:39] Speaker 3: And it turns out the Ravens are not, you know,
[11:42] Speaker 3: the juggernauts we thought they were.
[11:43] Speaker 2: Well, hold on.
[11:43] Speaker 1: To be fair, though, the version of the Ravens that
[11:46] Speaker 1: we see now is not the version of the Ravens that.
[11:49] Speaker 3: I mean, the offense is... you know, the, but that
[11:53] Speaker 3: defense is obviously.
[11:54] Speaker 2: The defense is Chiefs.
[11:55] Speaker 3: You are correct.
[11:55] Speaker 6: You're right.
[11:56] Speaker 2: You, you are right. They are right.
[11:57] Speaker 1: They, they, the Chiefs have taken charitable contributions. I mean,
[12:00] Speaker 1: that Chiefs, the Ravens, they're taking the Chiefs too, but
[12:02] Speaker 1: they're taking them charitable contributions on defense. You are correct,
[12:04] Speaker 1: but there's nothing. The bright side for the Chiefs is
[12:07] Speaker 1: there's nothing that says that you can't come out of
[12:09] Speaker 1: that conference.
[12:11] Speaker 2: Nothing at all.
[12:11] Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you mentioned the idea that the
[12:13] Speaker 1: AFC isn't good because this is I forget who I
[12:17] Speaker 1: saw mentioned this online many months ago, but this is
[12:19] Speaker 1: becoming a mirroring of the 80s and 90s where the
[12:22] Speaker 1: AFC has the quarterbacks, but the NFC has the teams.
[12:26] Speaker 1: Like all the top notch quarterbacks that we talk about
[12:30] Speaker 1: in the league, they all play in the AFC. Who's
[12:33] Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the NFC? I mean, the quarterback
[12:36] Speaker 1: playing the best in the NFC this year is Dak Prescott.
[12:39] Speaker 1: But if you were just to go through the NFC
[12:40] Speaker 1: and say, what quarterback are you giving me off of
[12:43] Speaker 1: these teams?
[12:44] Speaker 2: What's the one you're taking? Is it possibly Stafford?
[12:49] Speaker 3: It's Stafford by reputation and Hurts by accomplishments.
[12:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I mean, go up and down. Go
[12:58] Speaker 2: up and down.
[12:58] Speaker 1: It's a weird, weird conference when they start talking about
[13:01] Speaker 1: who the quarterbacks are, and what you can get out
[13:03] Speaker 1: of them.
[13:03] Speaker 2: Is it Baker Mayfield?
[13:05] Speaker 3: I was going to say, I thought when you said
[13:06] Speaker 3: playing the best, I think you could make an argument.
[13:09] Speaker 6: You could.
[13:10] Speaker 3: It's Baker, but I mean, they're a weird team. They're
[13:13] Speaker 3: 4-1 and have a negative DVOA, which is almost impossible.
[13:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, for everybody to know what that means, that's bad.
[13:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an advanced stat that says TLDR, you're not
[13:25] Speaker 3: very good.
[13:26] Speaker 1: And so for people who have heard of what DVOA
[13:29] Speaker 1: is and don't understand it, I think that this is
[13:31] Speaker 1: the easiest synopsis.
[13:32] Speaker 2: It's actually a really interesting statistic.
[13:34] Speaker 1: So the way DVOA works is it takes a measure
[13:38] Speaker 1: of every play But the measure is based on how
[13:42] Speaker 1: many yards you had to go to get the first down.
[13:44] Speaker 1: So that way, a 15-yard pass on first and 10
[13:49] Speaker 1: is not treated the same as a 15-yard pass on
[13:52] Speaker 1: third and 18, where they're in cover three and they're
[13:55] Speaker 1: letting you have everything in front of you as long
[13:57] Speaker 1: as you don't get the first down, right? So it
[14:00] Speaker 1: puts the context of the situation and the evaluation of
[14:03] Speaker 1: every play, which is to say, per play, Tampa Bay
[14:06] Speaker 1: is living that negative life. That's what they're saying. So
[14:11] Speaker 1: all of this happens and say you get the Kansas
[14:13] Speaker 1: City Chiefs and you get them in the playoffs and
[14:16] Speaker 1: you still have the best quarterback that I have ever
[14:18] Speaker 1: seen who will probably have three or four very good receivers.
[14:24] Speaker 2: By the time it comes back, by the time that
[14:26] Speaker 2: we get there.
[14:27] Speaker 1: If they figure anything out on defense, nothing that is
[14:31] Speaker 1: happening right now really matters.
[14:34] Speaker 2: Now that being said, Ryan.
[14:36] Speaker 1: The version of the Ravens that they got to play against,
[14:39] Speaker 1: was worse than the version of the Ravens that the
[14:41] Speaker 1: Bills got to play against. And that is doing a
[14:44] Speaker 1: lot to bolster a lot of what the Chiefs got going.
[14:47] Speaker 3: I mean, even if the Chiefs don't win the division,
[14:50] Speaker 3: you're going to probably be playing whoever wins the AFC North,
[14:53] Speaker 3: which is either going to be Aaron Rodgers after his
[14:57] Speaker 3: 42nd birthday or whatever the Ravens are at this point.
[15:01] Speaker 1: By the way, we will wrap on this. The Baltimore
[15:05] Speaker 1: Ravens have played five games. Do you know how many
[15:10] Speaker 1: points they have given up?
[15:13] Speaker 3: 206.
[15:14] Speaker 2: Not quite, but not far.
[15:15] Speaker 6: 177.
[15:15] Speaker 2: The Make-A-Wish Foundation has given up 154.
[15:17] Speaker 1: The Bengals have given up 156.
[15:21] Speaker 2: They have given up 177.
[15:37] Speaker 1: They will not have that same defensive coordinator all year long.
[15:42] Speaker 2: Write that down.
[15:49] Speaker 1: All right.
[15:50] Speaker 2: NBA season is getting close.
[15:52] Speaker 1: Ryan, by the time these people have a chance to
[15:55] Speaker 1: watch this, LeBron will have explained what the.
[15:59] Speaker 2: Decision part two was is that what he was.
[16:01] Speaker 3: Teasing online the second decision the.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Second decision i got a phone call from a television
[16:05] Speaker 1: network and they're like hey can you come on sometime
[16:08] Speaker 1: on tuesday talk about lebron and i said what is
[16:12] Speaker 1: there to talk about lebron they said well he's teasing
[16:14] Speaker 1: something like the second decision we're thinking it might be
[16:17] Speaker 1: retirement no.
[16:21] Speaker 2: It will it will not be that that i was certain.
[16:25] Speaker 3: Of if choosing the decision framing again is certainly a choice,
[16:32] Speaker 3: but choosing, trying to book in his career with the
[16:35] Speaker 3: worst moment of his, it does not seem, does not seem, uh,
[16:41] Speaker 3: It seems like an ad agency idea, not a LeBron idea.
[16:44] Speaker 1: I thought the lesson that they learned from the decision
[16:47] Speaker 1: part one is that there wouldn't go be no decision
[16:49] Speaker 1: part two. The lesson they learned from the decision part
[16:52] Speaker 1: one was to put out a press release for the
[16:54] Speaker 1: next time that you made your decision.
[16:56] Speaker 2: Of where to go.
[16:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, call Lee Jenkins.
[16:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, never did this again. But we are getting close
[17:02] Speaker 1: to the season. The Lakers are going to be fascinating.
[17:05] Speaker 2: J.J.
[17:06] Speaker 1: Reddick says that he talks to Chad GPT all the
[17:08] Speaker 1: time because he's.
[17:12] Speaker 2: Man, man, man, JJ is an interesting situation, right?
[17:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:18] Speaker 2: I still think that job is going to kill him.
[17:20] Speaker 2: I still don't think that he has the temperament.
[17:22] Speaker 3: I think he has to give everyone on his staff
[17:24] Speaker 3: a break from him. That's why he talks to Chad
[17:26] Speaker 3: DBT for an hour and a half a day.
[17:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, in fact, who on the staff came up with
[17:30] Speaker 2: the idea?
[17:32] Speaker 3: That's a genius. Yeah, who was like, hey, man, you know,
[17:34] Speaker 3: you could always just ask Chad GBT this.
[17:36] Speaker 1: But here's the thing about Chad GBT, and we've talked
[17:39] Speaker 1: about this a little bit here. What ChatGPT don't ever
[17:42] Speaker 1: give you is no backtalk.
[17:44] Speaker 2: So you can.
[17:45] Speaker 1: Tell ChatGPT anything, and it's going to tell you that
[17:49] Speaker 1: you're right.
[17:49] Speaker 3: Sounds like JJ Reddick's best friend.
[17:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[17:54] Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly how well JJ deals with feedback.
[17:56] Speaker 1: I don't have a great answer for that. But if
[17:58] Speaker 1: you don't like backtalk, ChatGPT is, in fact, for you. Now, again,
[18:02] Speaker 1: you can always read books.
[18:04] Speaker 5: But!
[18:05] Speaker 1: Chad GPT is the answer that many people have chosen.
[18:08] Speaker 1: But we came to talk about the NBA because Giannis
[18:11] Speaker 1: Antetokounmpo is back with the Milwaukee Bucks. Sham Sharania of
[18:16] Speaker 1: ESPN wrote a very long piece basically about what happened
[18:24] Speaker 1: or did not happen during the summer with the Bucks
[18:27] Speaker 1: and Giannis and the other interesting group in the story
[18:32] Speaker 1: is the Knicks. Apparently the Knicks were the only team
[18:36] Speaker 1: that Giannis demonstrated an interest in playing for. And the
[18:41] Speaker 1: Knicks did not ever make a real offer to Milwaukee
[18:45] Speaker 1: in large part because the Knicks traded all their stuff
[18:48] Speaker 1: to get Mikael Bridges and then have signed Mikael Bridges
[18:51] Speaker 1: to a massive extension. That is who boy, um, He
[18:57] Speaker 1: better hope Knicks fans don't remember that because they're going
[18:59] Speaker 1: to hate him unless something drastically changes.
[19:02] Speaker 2: About his approach to physical basketball.
[19:04] Speaker 1: They are going to hate him by the time this
[19:05] Speaker 1: year ends because it's going to be a very, very
[19:07] Speaker 1: antsy situation with the Knicks. Anyway, Giannis is back with Milwaukee.
[19:11] Speaker 1: Giannis is in the place with Milwaukee where he's like, hey, man,
[19:14] Speaker 1: if we're not looking like we're a contender for a championship,
[19:18] Speaker 1: then what am I doing here? I would like to
[19:20] Speaker 1: go somewhere else. And I think that that is a...
[19:26] Speaker 1: reasonable premise it is a reasonable idea keeping in mind
[19:31] Speaker 1: the bucks have not been out of the first round
[19:33] Speaker 1: the last three seasons um I made when we did
[19:38] Speaker 1: that list of 25 athletes in the last 25 years
[19:41] Speaker 1: Nick made a fair argument that I penalized Kobe for
[19:47] Speaker 1: those three years in the middle of his career post Shaq,
[19:50] Speaker 1: pre Gasol. But we don't do that to Steph Curry,
[19:55] Speaker 1: who had a similar lull.
[19:57] Speaker 2: In his career.
[19:58] Speaker 1: And I think the argument that I would make against
[20:00] Speaker 1: that is What it meant to have a superstar player
[20:04] Speaker 1: in terms of your outcomes was different in 2006 and
[20:07] Speaker 1: 2007 than what it is now because the rules of
[20:10] Speaker 1: the game have changed.
[20:11] Speaker 2: The rules of the league have changed where it is
[20:14] Speaker 2: much more difficult for a great player to have the impact.
[20:17] Speaker 3: Than it was at that time. And there's more great basketball.
[20:19] Speaker 3: There's more NBA-level basketball players.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[20:22] Speaker 3: But 20 years ago, we couldn't. We had pretty much
[20:26] Speaker 3: the same amount of successful quarterbacks. We have two to
[20:29] Speaker 3: three exes. capable nba basketball players that we.
[20:32] Speaker 1: Did i'll put it to you like this in 2007
[20:34] Speaker 1: lebron james could drag that team he dragged to the
[20:36] Speaker 1: finals you can you can't do that.
[20:38] Speaker 3: Now that's a 30 win team in today's nba.
[20:40] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah you couldn't do that then like it's not
[20:42] Speaker 1: that's where the game is changed so that's kind of
[20:44] Speaker 1: the argument that i make there but at the same
[20:46] Speaker 1: time like did they lose in five games in the
[20:50] Speaker 1: first round is the number one seed.
[20:53] Speaker 2: Like i mean these are It's some indefensible.
[20:56] Speaker 1: Losses that he has had and that he has put up.
[21:00] Speaker 1: The fact that they won a championship and Game 6
[21:03] Speaker 1: went the way that Game 6 went means that there's
[21:06] Speaker 1: some questions that we no longer ask about him. But
[21:08] Speaker 1: it is somewhat, it's very interesting that the question has
[21:11] Speaker 1: always been, are the Bucs doing.
[21:14] Speaker 2: Enough for Giannis?
[21:16] Speaker 1: And the question has not been, do the Bucs need
[21:19] Speaker 1: to go ahead and move on to their future without him,
[21:23] Speaker 1: given what his age is and given that he has
[21:25] Speaker 1: a game, that the aging process as the athleticism declines
[21:31] Speaker 1: is probably going to be a bit harsh unless he
[21:34] Speaker 1: lets Akeem Olajuwon take some of his money and go
[21:37] Speaker 1: down there and really get his ass to dream shaking.
[21:40] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? They can get down there
[21:41] Speaker 2: talking Nigerian stuff. whatever that means. They can do that.
[21:49] Speaker 2: But anyway, I.
[21:52] Speaker 1: Still think the best play for both parties involved is
[21:54] Speaker 1: real simple, man. Keep Giannis and Giannis stick around. This
[22:00] Speaker 1: is the thing about the sports, right? And we can't
[22:05] Speaker 1: say this to people out loud. And it's very, very interesting.
[22:13] Speaker 1: For most people, kind of sticking around where you at
[22:17] Speaker 1: and making it happen is the best move. Or maybe
[22:22] Speaker 1: I could be saying it's the most convenient move, but
[22:24] Speaker 1: I think very often and in a lot of ways,
[22:27] Speaker 1: it ultimately proves to be the most fulfilling move. And
[22:32] Speaker 1: I think in the current NBA, and we've talked about
[22:35] Speaker 1: this a little bit before, but I want to stay
[22:38] Speaker 1: with this point and keep reminding people of it because
[22:40] Speaker 1: I think it's going to prove itself in the end.
[22:44] Speaker 1: It's going to be so hard to keep a title
[22:47] Speaker 1: window open because they've done so much.
[22:49] Speaker 2: With the rules to encourage parity.
[22:52] Speaker 1: That you can go leave now and hop on the
[22:56] Speaker 1: next big thing because it gives you a chance at
[22:59] Speaker 1: a championship. But that chance at a championship is not
[23:05] Speaker 1: going to be sustainable in all likelihood, which means in
[23:09] Speaker 1: a year, maybe two, You're going to be out here
[23:13] Speaker 1: looking for another place to go.
[23:16] Speaker 2: And this isn't college.
[23:18] Speaker 1: And when I say this isn't college, I mean that
[23:20] Speaker 1: hop year to year transfer situation. It's much easier for
[23:24] Speaker 1: them to do that now than it is for somebody
[23:27] Speaker 1: to do that in the NBA. If you are moving
[23:30] Speaker 1: on to this next team, somebody is going to have
[23:32] Speaker 1: to give up some money. There's going to be scarce,
[23:35] Speaker 1: finite resources that have to be dealt with in order
[23:38] Speaker 1: to make that happen.
[23:40] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[23:41] Speaker 1: Like This is, these teams wanted to find ways to
[23:47] Speaker 1: encourage players to stay. And originally the plan was, we
[23:53] Speaker 1: will make it so that you could pay a guy
[23:55] Speaker 1: more money to stay and thereby that guy won't wind
[24:00] Speaker 1: up leaving, right?
[24:02] Speaker 2: And that happened.
[24:03] Speaker 1: But what that did as much as anything else was,
[24:06] Speaker 1: for example, allow the Wizards to pay John Wall and
[24:10] Speaker 1: Bradley Beal.
[24:13] Speaker 2: Big win for you guys, right?
[24:16] Speaker 1: And look, those are two guys that were very good
[24:17] Speaker 1: players and I think very important to that franchise. But
[24:21] Speaker 1: I don't think that's how the owners envisioned that these
[24:24] Speaker 1: things would go, right? But it turns out that the
[24:29] Speaker 1: best way it appears to encourage these people to stay
[24:31] Speaker 1: in the same place is that grass ain't greener over there.
[24:37] Speaker 1: Because what they were trying to say was the grass
[24:38] Speaker 1: is greener over here and is green with this money.
[24:42] Speaker 1: Now the argument is, if you go over there and
[24:46] Speaker 1: it doesn't work right away, then what?
[24:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, there's... Like, title windows used to be four or
[24:55] Speaker 3: five years. I mean, when LeBron was going back to
[24:58] Speaker 3: the first decision, he's saying not two, not three, not four.
[25:02] Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you ask people how many
[25:05] Speaker 3: titles that group of guys are going to win, people
[25:08] Speaker 3: would have said three or four championships. And now title windows...
[25:10] Speaker 3: 18 months?
[25:13] Speaker 1: I think the title window used to be as long
[25:15] Speaker 1: as you had a title player.
[25:17] Speaker 6: Right.
[25:18] Speaker 2: So, like, for me, back in the day, and I
[25:20] Speaker 2: don't know how to... So, I don't know how to define.
[25:22] Speaker 1: The term superstar in this era.
[25:25] Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is this.
[25:26] Speaker 1: Back in the day, the way I defined a superstar was,
[25:29] Speaker 1: does this team have a chance to win a championship
[25:32] Speaker 1: just because you are on the team?
[25:35] Speaker 5: Right?
[25:36] Speaker 2: So, it is for that reason that I had said...
[25:40] Speaker 2: Pete Dwight Howard was a superstar.
[25:44] Speaker 1: A lot of people might not have felt that way,
[25:45] Speaker 1: but Pete Dwight Howard was a superstar. You had a
[25:48] Speaker 1: chance to win a championship just because you had him
[25:52] Speaker 1: on the team. Steph Curry, the 2015 version, like get
[25:56] Speaker 1: around to there. That was a superstar. The reason they
[25:59] Speaker 1: had a chance to win championships and did win championships
[26:02] Speaker 1: is because that guy was on the team. LeBron James,
[26:04] Speaker 1: an example of a guy that I think fit that
[26:06] Speaker 1: same description, right? You can win a championship simply because
[26:10] Speaker 1: This guy plays for your team.
[26:14] Speaker 2: That was it.
[26:15] Speaker 1: There is no player in the NBA right now that
[26:18] Speaker 1: is so good that you have a chance to win
[26:19] Speaker 1: a championship just because that player was on your team.
[26:22] Speaker 1: Nikola Jokic is probably one of the 15 best players
[26:24] Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA. You do not have
[26:27] Speaker 1: a chance to win a championship. simply because that guy is.
[26:31] Speaker 2: On your team.
[26:32] Speaker 1: The impact of one individual player just isn't that strong anymore.
[26:38] Speaker 2: It doesn't exist in that way, right?
[26:41] Speaker 1: So now, if you are that guy, you're in a place,
[26:49] Speaker 1: they put the people around you that make you good
[26:51] Speaker 1: enough to win a championship, and then in a year,
[26:53] Speaker 1: maybe two, that all becomes too expensive, and then you
[26:56] Speaker 1: break that thing down for parts. That's what the new
[27:00] Speaker 1: NBA is going to be. And so to me, it
[27:03] Speaker 1: reminds me. I'll put names to it. So after I
[27:12] Speaker 1: did the show called High Noon for ESPN and after
[27:15] Speaker 1: it ended, I got a phone call on a phone
[27:19] Speaker 1: call with an infamous gentleman named Norby Williams.
[27:23] Speaker 2: Right.
[27:23] Speaker 1: And so I get on the phone with Norby and just,
[27:26] Speaker 1: you know, talk about the future, where are things going?
[27:28] Speaker 1: I just signed a contract extension, you know, but there
[27:31] Speaker 1: was just COVID. There's nothing really for me to do.
[27:32] Speaker 1: And I didn't really know the cat. So I was like, hey, man,
[27:34] Speaker 1: let's get on the phone and let's talk it out.
[27:36] Speaker 2: And I'll never forget. And if you know anything about
[27:39] Speaker 2: Norby's time at.
[27:40] Speaker 1: ESPN, Norby, what they call a survivor. Every job, I think,
[27:45] Speaker 1: has somebody that's just a survivor. And, you know, all
[27:49] Speaker 1: these things happen and somehow this guy stick around, right? Norby,
[27:53] Speaker 1: until he ran across Pat McAfee, was a survivor. So anyway,
[27:58] Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with Norby and Norby just says
[28:00] Speaker 1: to me, you know what?
[28:03] Speaker 2: Somebody like you.
[28:03] Speaker 1: It just needs to just just wait a little while
[28:09] Speaker 1: and things will change.
[28:10] Speaker 2: Let's wait for things to change. That's what he told me.
[28:13] Speaker 1: It's like, look, things were going a certain way and
[28:17] Speaker 1: you were up. And now things have changed. And now
[28:20] Speaker 1: you're down. But if you can wait this out long enough,
[28:24] Speaker 1: it'll turn right back around into your favor. And in
[28:27] Speaker 1: a certain form or fashion, he was correct. Now, of course,
[28:30] Speaker 1: neither of us work there anymore. So you could question
[28:33] Speaker 1: in total what the advice was.
[28:35] Speaker 2: But he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong about it. Sometimes
[28:39] Speaker 2: things change and.
[28:40] Speaker 1: You just need to lay low for a little bit
[28:43] Speaker 1: and wait for the things to turn. And I think
[28:48] Speaker 1: that the media environment and everything else has created a
[28:51] Speaker 1: circumstance where everybody feels this pressure to hurry up and
[28:54] Speaker 1: win like right now, because if you don't win like
[28:57] Speaker 1: right now, we're going to be out here talking bad
[28:59] Speaker 1: about you. But I don't think we're going to have
[29:01] Speaker 1: the capacity to talk bad about so many people anymore
[29:04] Speaker 1: because this is going to be the state of affairs.
[29:06] Speaker 2: For everybody.
[29:08] Speaker 1: Like look, what's happened with Denver where I thought Denver
[29:11] Speaker 1: was going to be able to go on a run
[29:12] Speaker 1: for years, but it turned out that the front part
[29:14] Speaker 1: of the Denver window was when Murray and Porter were hurt.
[29:17] Speaker 1: They came back for what turned out to be like
[29:19] Speaker 1: the end of the window. Then they had that down year, Ryan,
[29:22] Speaker 1: and when it got a couple more pieces and now
[29:25] Speaker 1: it looks like they are one of the top contenders
[29:27] Speaker 1: in the West again. Yeah.
[29:28] Speaker 3: We'll see how that all fits together. But I think, um,
[29:31] Speaker 3: like you said, like after they won that first title, um,
[29:36] Speaker 3: Jokic is clearly the best player in the league. You
[29:39] Speaker 3: think they're stacked. for a few more and they haven't
[29:42] Speaker 3: been back since.
[29:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not how it works anymore. You just
[29:45] Speaker 1: got to lay low. And so for Giannis, maybe the
[29:48] Speaker 1: window was closed. Maybe the window was over. But your
[29:51] Speaker 1: chance of getting back to the top is probably just
[29:54] Speaker 1: as strong in Milwaukee as it is were you to leave.
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[32:32] Speaker 3: All right, Bo, let's run through a couple quick stories.
[32:41] Speaker 3: Interesting one, speaking of ESPN, they're in a weird situation
[32:46] Speaker 3: with Paul Feinbaum. They've had to deny reports that He
[32:49] Speaker 3: has been barred from ESPN networks after his interest, stating
[32:53] Speaker 3: his interest in running for Alabama's open Senate seat. There
[32:57] Speaker 3: are reports of whether he will be back on ESPN today. Bo,
[33:01] Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on this?
[33:02] Speaker 1: Hey, man, this this there's a reason why they told
[33:08] Speaker 1: us we couldn't talk about politics back in the day
[33:10] Speaker 1: when I worked over there.
[33:11] Speaker 5: Right.
[33:11] Speaker 2: And I don't think as much as people won't believe me.
[33:16] Speaker 1: I don't think that not wanting us to talk about
[33:18] Speaker 1: politics at ESPN back in the day was nearly about
[33:21] Speaker 1: ideology than it is.
[33:23] Speaker 2: We talk about the stuff.
[33:26] Speaker 1: They be in suits at the company, got to clean
[33:30] Speaker 1: up whatever mess comes from.
[33:32] Speaker 2: Right.
[33:33] Speaker 1: And not only do they then have to wind up
[33:35] Speaker 1: cleaning a mess that comes from it. They have to
[33:38] Speaker 1: try to clean up this mess with an understanding that
[33:41] Speaker 1: the people who are doing the mess cleaning have their
[33:44] Speaker 1: own politics also. And those are going to affect whatever
[33:49] Speaker 1: decision wind up being mad.
[33:51] Speaker 2: And then it's like, damn, what do we do?
[33:53] Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if you ever heard this story, Ryan,
[33:55] Speaker 1: but David Stern's point about the decision was fantastic, which
[33:59] Speaker 1: was the problem with the decision for LeBron was there
[34:02] Speaker 1: are 30 teams and 29 fan bases are going to
[34:06] Speaker 1: hate you.
[34:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, anything you say where 97% of the people are
[34:11] Speaker 3: unhappy is probably not the best way for our entire
[34:15] Speaker 3: league and our entire operation.
[34:17] Speaker 1: Only one set of people is going to like it. Now,
[34:19] Speaker 1: with sports by and large, there's going to be.
[34:25] Speaker 1: Basically, if you offer sports opinion, especially at a national platform,
[34:28] Speaker 1: most of the people aren't that invested in that particular
[34:31] Speaker 1: game that you're talking about. There's the fans of this team,
[34:33] Speaker 1: fans of that team, and then there's everybody else that's
[34:35] Speaker 1: just kind of looking and maybe has some general opinions,
[34:38] Speaker 1: but they don't have like a personal investment. It's not
[34:40] Speaker 1: nearly a this side, that side scenario as politics.
[34:45] Speaker 2: Is, right?
[34:47] Speaker 1: And so the idea of Feinbaum running for Senate, number one,
[34:53] Speaker 1: It squarely puts them in a this side, that side
[34:56] Speaker 1: proposition at the very least with the fan base that's
[35:00] Speaker 1: in Alabama, which I would imagine is a significant proportion
[35:03] Speaker 1: of the fan base that listens to the Firebomb show
[35:05] Speaker 1: because of its historical roots, right?
[35:07] Speaker 2: That's number one. ESPN don't want that part. They don't
[35:12] Speaker 2: want none of this.
[35:13] Speaker 1: The other part that ESPN don't want none of is
[35:16] Speaker 1: this right here. Are you pulling this guy off the
[35:20] Speaker 1: air today? because he says he's running for Senate. Now,
[35:23] Speaker 1: I will tell you, I don't have any inside information
[35:26] Speaker 1: from the company about this. I haven't talked to anybody
[35:28] Speaker 1: that works there about it. I feel very confident saying
[35:30] Speaker 1: this about the current world order at ESPN. There ain't
[35:34] Speaker 1: no rules, right? Like, not in terms of your ideology,
[35:38] Speaker 1: not in terms of what your politics are. So what
[35:41] Speaker 1: would you think? You think that because Paul Feinbaum says
[35:45] Speaker 1: that he's thinking about running for Senate, that ESPN will
[35:49] Speaker 1: pull him off the air?
[35:50] Speaker 2: For what reason?
[35:51] Speaker 1: The only reason that would make sense is the equal
[35:55] Speaker 1: time provision and them having a measure of concern about
[35:59] Speaker 1: whether or not they run into conflict with that.
[36:03] Speaker 2: And if that's the.
[36:04] Speaker 1: Case, that's perfectly fair, right? I mean, that's not even
[36:07] Speaker 1: perfectly fair. That's what they have to do.
[36:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not an editorial decision. That's a legal decision.
[36:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no other option. That's what
[36:14] Speaker 2: has to be done.
[36:15] Speaker 1: But I don't think for a moment that it is
[36:18] Speaker 1: an editorial decision that You said you're down with Donald Trump.
[36:24] Speaker 2: We can't have that. Did you just see what Iger
[36:27] Speaker 2: did for Trump? Did you did you just see it?
[36:30] Speaker 2: It just happened over there with the Kimmel thing. Did
[36:32] Speaker 2: you see what happened?
[36:34] Speaker 1: No, I don't believe for a moment that for reasons
[36:37] Speaker 1: of politics that they would tell Feinbaum that he's got
[36:40] Speaker 1: to get off the air.
[36:41] Speaker 2: But I can tell you this. Did you see somebody
[36:43] Speaker 2: called in? They had a caller. They had to drop
[36:46] Speaker 2: the call immediately.
[36:47] Speaker 3: And you saw my mom chuckling?
[36:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, he got on there talking about the politics. And
[36:52] Speaker 1: they had to dump him immediately? They don't want that
[36:56] Speaker 1: every day. I will make one last point. And, I mean,
[37:00] Speaker 1: if you guys know much of the history, that's not
[37:03] Speaker 1: my guy. That's not my friend.
[37:05] Speaker 6: Right?
[37:06] Speaker 2: I'll just leave it at that.
[37:07] Speaker 3: I don't.
[37:08] Speaker 1: I've had one actual factual conversation with Paul Feinbaum in
[37:11] Speaker 1: my life that was not on television, but that's not
[37:13] Speaker 1: my dude. OK, I'll just make this point. I forget
[37:18] Speaker 1: what year it was. I believe it was in the 1960s.
[37:21] Speaker 1: But Bud Wilkinson, the legendary head football coach at Oklahoma,
[37:27] Speaker 1: ran for the Senate in the 1960s and he lost.
[37:33] Speaker 1: He did not win that race. When Tom Osborne left
[37:37] Speaker 1: Nebraska after the 1997 season, he won a seat in
[37:41] Speaker 1: the House and then he tried to run for Senate
[37:45] Speaker 1: and he got his ass handed to him in the primary,
[37:48] Speaker 1: as I recall.
[37:51] Speaker 2: I'm saying all that to say.
[37:54] Speaker 1: There was a time where, yeah, sure, you coach some
[37:59] Speaker 1: football or something like that. But that didn't mean we
[38:02] Speaker 1: were going to give you like an important position because
[38:06] Speaker 1: that would be silly.
[38:09] Speaker 2: We were a proper country once. You know what I mean?
[38:11] Speaker 2: Not anymore.
[38:13] Speaker 3: People in Alabama saw a Democrat win once and then
[38:17] Speaker 3: we're going football coaches and sports commentators running for football.
[38:20] Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Tuberville didn't even coach Alabama. You understand
[38:24] Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Like he did not even coach Alabama.
[38:27] Speaker 2: We didn't always do this is all I'm saying.
[38:31] Speaker 1: Like the fact that we have reached a point where
[38:34] Speaker 1: it is a conceivable idea that Paul Feinbaum could be
[38:38] Speaker 1: be your senator.
[38:39] Speaker 2: And it is entirely on the basis of the fact
[38:41] Speaker 2: that people know who he is.
[38:43] Speaker 1: Right.
[38:44] Speaker 2: So I got it.
[38:45] Speaker 1: Many of you know, my good friend, Matt Jones in Kentucky,
[38:49] Speaker 1: he considered running for Senate against Mitch McConnell. And the
[38:54] Speaker 1: people of the party wanted him to run. But the
[38:57] Speaker 1: biggest part of why they wanted him to run is
[38:58] Speaker 1: because he had the name recognition of a radio show. However,
[39:02] Speaker 1: Matt Jones and Paul Feinbaum are different people. Matt Jones
[39:05] Speaker 1: has a degree from Duke Law School. He is one
[39:08] Speaker 1: of the more brilliant people that I know. He traffics
[39:10] Speaker 1: in these spaces a little bit differently. I don't know
[39:12] Speaker 1: anything about what Paul Feinbaum thinks about anything at all.
[39:16] Speaker 6: Right.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Like if you're telling me the folks in Kentucky are.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Like, hey, Matt, you're really visible and you're probably the
[39:21] Speaker 1: most popular liberal that we have in this state whose
[39:24] Speaker 1: father had not previously been the governor.
[39:26] Speaker 2: Why don't you come on down? Yeah, I think that
[39:28] Speaker 2: makes sense.
[39:29] Speaker 5: Um.
[39:30] Speaker 1: I don't know anything that Paul thinks about anything in
[39:33] Speaker 1: this world other than Hank Williams Jr. that's it that's
[39:36] Speaker 1: that's the only place where I know anything about what
[39:38] Speaker 1: he thinks about stuff and somebody really signed up and
[39:40] Speaker 1: was like hey man what do you think about making
[39:41] Speaker 1: what do you think about that guy being the senator
[39:43] Speaker 1: does that sound like being a good idea what And
[39:46] Speaker 1: it gets back to the idea that my man Neil
[39:49] Speaker 1: Postman had in one of those books that the growth
[39:52] Speaker 1: of television, which was then expanded by the Internet, was
[39:54] Speaker 1: going to reach a point where in order to run
[39:57] Speaker 1: for political office, some other measure of fame was going
[40:01] Speaker 1: to become a prerequisite.
[40:03] Speaker 2: And what Paul.
[40:04] Speaker 1: Feinbaum has that not that many people in the state
[40:06] Speaker 1: of Alabama have is fame and preexisting name recognition.
[40:13] Speaker 2: But this is crazy talk. Hard stop.
[40:17] Speaker 3: All right, sticking with politics, Donald Trump says that the
[40:20] Speaker 3: White House UFC events will be held on June 14th,
[40:24] Speaker 3: right around his 80th birthday. Rumors of Conor McGregor and
[40:28] Speaker 3: John Jones participating in this. Beau, what do you think?
[40:31] Speaker 2: Conor McGregor, where is he from?
[40:34] Speaker 3: Ireland.
[40:35] Speaker 2: Okay, it ain't America.
[40:37] Speaker 3: Just, just, just.
[40:39] Speaker 2: What are we doing, man?
[40:40] Speaker 1: Have you seen those mock-ups that had it looking like
[40:42] Speaker 1: it was going to be.
[40:42] Speaker 2: Like sparklers and pyro and shit out there? Like, I just.
[40:47] Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't get him
[40:49] Speaker 1: to talk about MMA on ESPN because it was seen
[40:52] Speaker 1: as being kind of beneath the dignity of the network.
[40:55] Speaker 2: They about to do this at the White House?
[40:58] Speaker 1: At the.
[40:59] Speaker 3: I was incorrect. It is his 80th birthday.
[41:03] Speaker 5: Oh.
[41:04] Speaker 2: I did not know that.
[41:06] Speaker 3: It's not only a UFC event. It's also a Trump
[41:09] Speaker 3: birthday party.
[41:10] Speaker 2: I'm just going to throw this out here and let
[41:11] Speaker 2: us move on because it just dawned on me.
[41:14] Speaker 4: Um.
[41:18] Speaker 1: How many January 6th jokes do you think that people
[41:20] Speaker 1: are going to be spitting out about that crowd? Finally,
[41:24] Speaker 1: we have come back to Washington, D.C.
[41:31] Speaker 3: All right. And finally, Taylor Swift's latest album, The Life
[41:35] Speaker 3: of a Showgirl, came out on Friday. It has met
[41:38] Speaker 3: mixed reviews online. Pitchfork gave the album a 5.9 out
[41:42] Speaker 3: of 10. Bo, have you listened to the new Taylor
[41:45] Speaker 3: Swift album?
[41:46] Speaker 2: Oh, hell no. I don't do that.
[41:48] Speaker 1: I don't listen to her music, so I don't say
[41:49] Speaker 1: anything judgmental about her music. It could be excellent. I
[41:53] Speaker 1: truly have no idea. I think there are two parts
[41:55] Speaker 1: of this that are interesting, right? I don't know if
[41:57] Speaker 1: you have been reading the reviews of this or other
[41:59] Speaker 1: things that have come up. But one of the things
[42:02] Speaker 1: is she's talking a lot about having sex.
[42:06] Speaker 3: With Travis Kelsey.
[42:08] Speaker 2: And that is not the best songwriting. that I have
[42:12] Speaker 2: ever heard, right?
[42:14] Speaker 1: Now, granted, my favorite is Prince, who is the best
[42:17] Speaker 1: at writing songs about sex anywhere in the... Prince says
[42:21] Speaker 1: things like, if I was anything else, I'd be the
[42:23] Speaker 1: water in your bath.
[42:25] Speaker 2: Like, this is the level of sex talk that I've
[42:28] Speaker 2: grown accustomed to on records.
[42:31] Speaker 1: She wrote a song called Wood and called that man
[42:33] Speaker 1: a redwood.
[42:35] Speaker 2: This is not.
[42:37] Speaker 2: This isn't wheelhouse songwriting stuff for her. And her fans.
[42:41] Speaker 1: Not enjoying it. I don't know if she like Adele,
[42:46] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? And like, if Adele say
[42:48] Speaker 1: she putting out a record, you need to call Rich
[42:50] Speaker 1: Paul to make sure he okay. Because at the very
[42:52] Speaker 1: least he's sleeping on the couch. She only, she don't
[42:55] Speaker 1: feel like singing when things is going good.
[42:57] Speaker 2: You must be crazy. That's just not, that's just not
[42:59] Speaker 2: how it goes.
[43:00] Speaker 1: But what I find interesting about this with her is
[43:03] Speaker 1: every great artist has a brick or two, right? Some
[43:07] Speaker 1: more than others. Some stretch it out for a while.
[43:09] Speaker 1: But like my guy Sturgill, that last Sturgill record, it's
[43:12] Speaker 1: a brick, guys. I think we can all go back
[43:14] Speaker 1: and recognize.
[43:15] Speaker 2: We don't want to go back and listen to it.
[43:17] Speaker 2: It's a brick.
[43:18] Speaker 1: We don't acknowledge bricks from stars as much because stars
[43:21] Speaker 1: are more invested, especially online, to saying how much they
[43:24] Speaker 1: love it. This is the first time I could think
[43:26] Speaker 1: of in a long time that a superstar's fans came
[43:31] Speaker 1: straight out and said, she hit us with a brick.
[43:35] Speaker 2: But that's okay. Everybody gets to give us a brick
[43:39] Speaker 2: every now and then. But this sounds like a brick.
[43:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a very long runway with artists in
[43:47] Speaker 3: terms of, we just forget about albums. Yes.
[43:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's got one.
[43:52] Speaker 1: Like you go back and look at who your favorite is,
[43:54] Speaker 1: and you'd be like, I don't know about that one
[43:56] Speaker 1: right there, right? That one feels, that one, that was
[44:00] Speaker 1: not their best. You know what you say about those?
[44:02] Speaker 1: It's got some songs on it. right?
[44:05] Speaker 2: You start listing the songs individually.
[44:08] Speaker 1: Be like, oh, but wait a minute, wait a minute. Love,
[44:10] Speaker 1: 60 Has, with 2R and Love, and I Wish You Heaven.
[44:13] Speaker 2: And I Like Glam Slam. You like Glam Slam? Dancehall?
[44:15] Speaker 1: You don't like Dancehall? Like, that's the way that you
[44:18] Speaker 1: wind up having the discussion. And I don't think that
[44:20] Speaker 1: record was a brick, but it's got some songs on it.
[44:22] Speaker 3: That's what you got. Or you start saying, it's better
[44:24] Speaker 3: than people remember after a while.
[44:26] Speaker 1: For example, Outkast Idlewild, it is better than you remember,
[44:30] Speaker 1: but it was a brick in the moment, but It's
[44:33] Speaker 1: got Boris Brown. It's got Butron Angel. It's got some
[44:37] Speaker 1: songs on it. It's better than you remember. Maybe that's
[44:41] Speaker 1: what the Taylor fans will be saying about this one. Or, or, or,
[44:46] Speaker 1: maybe she'll be like, fine then, how about I just
[44:47] Speaker 1: go be in love? I already got a gozillion dollars.
[44:50] Speaker 1: What do I need y'all for?
[44:51] Speaker 2: Talk about a break.
[44:58] Speaker 3: All right. Bonus episode, bonus voicemails. Here's our first one.
[45:02] Speaker 7: What's up, Bo? This is Ant calling from the DMV.
[45:07] Speaker 7: I know you're a big Anderson Pack guy. I am too. Unfortunately,
[45:12] Speaker 7: I wasn't able to catch his tour last year. I
[45:15] Speaker 7: was sick the days he was in my area. But
[45:18] Speaker 7: I was able to catch his No Worries tour. And
[45:23] Speaker 7: I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't too familiar with the music,
[45:27] Speaker 7: but I went hoping he was going to do some
[45:28] Speaker 7: of the solo stuff and really enjoyed the show. So
[45:31] Speaker 7: just curious.
[45:33] Speaker 3: Are you a fan of No Worries?
[45:36] Speaker 7: And have you seen them once or the other show?
[45:38] Speaker 3: Keep doing.
[45:40] Speaker 2: Your thing. No and no. Look, I have tried the
[45:46] Speaker 2: No Worries stuff. At every turn, I try it.
[45:49] Speaker 1: And it always just sounds like a lesser version of Anderson.
[45:55] Speaker 1: Somebody got mad at me one time because I said
[45:57] Speaker 1: online about it. I'm like, all the stuff that he does,
[46:01] Speaker 1: that he does with other people, I don't like. They
[46:04] Speaker 1: all get in the way. I think that he is
[46:08] Speaker 1: one of the most talented, greatest performers, songwriter, sum total.
[46:13] Speaker 1: He is up there for me in a pantheonic air
[46:16] Speaker 1: of things, right? That's where I am. Silk Sonic is
[46:20] Speaker 1: a lesser version of him. The No Worry stuff is
[46:23] Speaker 1: a lesser version of him.
[46:24] Speaker 2: And then somebody got mad at me one.
[46:26] Speaker 1: Day online and was like, oh, so you're saying that
[46:29] Speaker 1: It's a problem because of the producer he's working with.
[46:32] Speaker 1: That is exactly what I'm saying. Like, what's crazy about
[46:36] Speaker 1: that thought? I don't like when he do stuff with
[46:40] Speaker 1: this dude. And it seems like he saves his real
[46:43] Speaker 1: heat for himself because he knows better than to waste
[46:45] Speaker 1: it on this cat.
[46:47] Speaker 2: So, yeah, no, no, no.
[46:48] Speaker 1: I went and saw him, me and my old buddy Sean,
[46:51] Speaker 1: went and saw them at the Hollywood Bowl last year.
[46:53] Speaker 2: Hey, man. This knowledge cat ain't going, no, no, no, no, no.
[46:57] Speaker 1: So y'all can have that. Like, I got one or
[47:00] Speaker 1: two of them on vinyl just because I support the homie.
[47:02] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's not even the homie.
[47:03] Speaker 2: I need to stop acting like I know that man.
[47:05] Speaker 1: Because I did introduce myself to him, and he was like, oh,
[47:07] Speaker 1: my God, a fan.
[47:09] Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, shit. How do I get out
[47:11] Speaker 2: of this situation? Oh, man, it was a tough game.
[47:14] Speaker 2: It was a tough situation. Tough situation. But yeah, no, no, no.
[47:16] Speaker 2: You can have it.
[47:17] Speaker 1: No worries.
[47:17] Speaker 2: Not for me.
[47:19] Speaker 3: All right. Here's our next one.
[47:20] Speaker 2: What's good, Bomani, man?
[47:22] Speaker 5: This is Mike Z, man. I'm a big fan of
[47:24] Speaker 5: the show, been listening to it.
[47:25] Speaker 7: I can't even remember how long I've been listening to.
[47:27] Speaker 5: It, but I've been listening to it for a long time, man.
[47:31] Speaker 5: Shout out to the HBCUs.
[47:32] Speaker 7: I know you're a Clark Atlanta grad.
[47:33] Speaker 5: My sister works there. She's a professor. And I graduated
[47:38] Speaker 5: from Tuskegee. But I called to talk about this Alabama-Vanderbilt game, man.
[47:43] Speaker 5: It's crazy that this was even a game. But I
[47:46] Speaker 5: was watching my wife, and my wife was like, Kalen DeBoer,
[47:51] Speaker 5: the coach for Alabama, looks like he does not like
[47:54] Speaker 5: his job. And I had to tell her, look, I
[47:58] Speaker 5: went to school in Tuskegee, which, you know, is like
[48:00] Speaker 5: 15 minutes from Auburn and a couple hours from Tuscaloosa.
[48:04] Speaker 5: But I was like, the way they care about football
[48:07] Speaker 5: is ridiculous. I had a homeboy send me a video
[48:10] Speaker 5: from the Paul Firebomb show. And he said, and I quote,
[48:13] Speaker 5: using your words of money, and I quote, if Kalen
[48:17] Speaker 5: the Boy was on life support, I would unplug it
[48:20] Speaker 5: and charge my phone. And my homeboy was like, yo,
[48:23] Speaker 5: they really like this in Alabama?
[48:25] Speaker 3: And I was like, yes.
[48:27] Speaker 5: He was so serious about saying that. And so my wife, no,
[48:32] Speaker 5: he probably does not like his job. They de-vandy, but still.
[48:36] Speaker 5: What you think about that, bro? You think Kalen the
[48:38] Speaker 5: Boy like his job? Ha ha.
[48:41] Speaker 2: He knows the answer to this question. I have been
[48:44] Speaker 2: telling people this for the long... It is so much...
[48:47] Speaker 2: I guess he already knew it, but now his wife
[48:48] Speaker 2: is seeing it.
[48:49] Speaker 1: Everybody's starting to understand because people hit me a lot
[48:52] Speaker 1: and be like, oh, no, they'll cut Saban some slack. No,
[48:55] Speaker 1: they will not. Saban was like 10-2. Let me get
[49:00] Speaker 1: out of here before they burn my house down.
[49:04] Speaker 3: That's why Kalen DeBoer was looking miserable, because he was
[49:06] Speaker 3: thinking about what his life was going to be like
[49:07] Speaker 3: in four hours if he lost to Vanderbilt at home.
[49:10] Speaker 2: Yo, but how about this? It's not going to be
[49:11] Speaker 2: any better if you win. Nothing is good enough.
[49:15] Speaker 6: Nothing.
[49:16] Speaker 2: They're playing. There are a hundred something teams and they're.
[49:18] Speaker 1: Playing for a national title every single year. Nothing is
[49:23] Speaker 1: good enough. And this is the thing I meant to
[49:25] Speaker 1: mention when I was talking about the playoff on Monday
[49:27] Speaker 1: that I think is important and I don't think people recognize.
[49:30] Speaker 2: One thing the playoff did is it increased the number
[49:33] Speaker 2: of teams whose seasons end with a loss.
[49:37] Speaker 1: So the existence of a playoff means more chances to
[49:41] Speaker 1: win national championships and more chances to lose them if
[49:44] Speaker 1: you're Alabama.
[49:45] Speaker 3: They might have run Ryan Day off if he won
[49:47] Speaker 3: a national title last year. You lose to Michigan and
[49:49] Speaker 3: in the playoff?
[49:50] Speaker 1: Nah, I think John Cooper was allowed to go 2-10-1
[49:55] Speaker 1: against Michigan at that job.
[49:56] Speaker 2: That's not a hang-em-high job.
[50:00] Speaker 3: But Alabama, if they don't win a national title in
[50:03] Speaker 3: the next two years, he's out of there.
[50:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, but not even because they're going to fire him.
[50:08] Speaker 2: Because he's going to leave. That was the thing. Ray
[50:10] Speaker 2: Perkins left.
[50:12] Speaker 1: Bill Curry kind of got fired, but ultimately left. Dennis
[50:16] Speaker 1: Francione left. Like these guys look around and say, oh,
[50:20] Speaker 1: hell no.
[50:21] Speaker 2: And they just leave.
[50:24] Speaker 3: All right, here's our last one.
[50:26] Speaker 6: Hey, Bomani. This is Russell from Virginia. I've been listening
[50:30] Speaker 6: to the show since the Shannon days. And I'm calling
[50:32] Speaker 6: in with a story about somebody leaving their job in
[50:34] Speaker 6: a memorable way. So back in the summer of 2000,
[50:39] Speaker 6: on the weekend after my 16th birthday, I rode my
[50:44] Speaker 6: bike to the nearest shopping center and came away with
[50:46] Speaker 6: a job at a Quiznos Subs. And I ended up
[50:49] Speaker 6: working there about two years. And along with the $ 5. 65
[50:53] Speaker 6: an hour, I earned a lot of lessons about life.
[50:58] Speaker 6: The person I learned the most from was a guy
[51:01] Speaker 6: named Angelo. He was the general manager at the store,
[51:04] Speaker 6: and he was kind of a unique guy. He dealt
[51:09] Speaker 6: a little bit of weed out of the back of
[51:10] Speaker 6: the store. He worked high, which to that point in
[51:13] Speaker 6: my life was not a thing I realized you could do.
[51:15] Speaker 6: He ran a little amateur boxing club out in the
[51:21] Speaker 6: back of the store. He brought his taser into work
[51:24] Speaker 6: and showed me how that works. So, you know, I
[51:27] Speaker 6: learned a lot about people by spending that amount of
[51:29] Speaker 6: time with Angelo. But after about a year of working there,
[51:33] Speaker 6: I came in, and there was a new general manager,
[51:36] Speaker 6: and it turned out Angelo had been fired. And he
[51:39] Speaker 6: was a bit of a hothead, so I never really
[51:41] Speaker 6: did find out what happened, but I can't say I
[51:43] Speaker 6: was surprised. The thing that made it memorable was that
[51:47] Speaker 6: about a month later, I got a call on a
[51:50] Speaker 6: Friday morning, asked if I could come in for an
[51:52] Speaker 6: emergency shift. And when I got there, turned out the
[51:56] Speaker 6: owner of the store had been in the hospital all night.
[52:00] Speaker 6: And the reason he had been in the hospital all
[52:02] Speaker 6: night was because, like every other Thursday, when he left
[52:05] Speaker 6: the store with the cash take from the week so
[52:09] Speaker 6: that he could deposit it in the bank the next day,
[52:11] Speaker 6: he turned around to lock the door and close up.
[52:15] Speaker 6: And somebody stepped out from the shadows and tased him.
[52:19] Speaker 6: And when he woke up from that tasing, obviously the
[52:23] Speaker 6: $ 8, 000 that was in the cash bag was gone. And
[52:27] Speaker 6: that's all we really know for certain about that.
[52:32] Speaker 5: So anyway, thanks for the show.
[52:33] Speaker 6: Appreciate everything you do.
[52:34] Speaker 3: Have a good one.
[52:36] Speaker 2: First of all.
[52:38] Speaker 1: Well played all around in the setup of the story, right?
[52:42] Speaker 2: Top to bottom. I also love this way. I didn't
[52:46] Speaker 2: know you could, he used to come to work high.
[52:48] Speaker 1: I didn't know you could work high. That is a,
[52:51] Speaker 1: that is a turning point moment in the lives of
[52:54] Speaker 1: many of us. The first time you see somebody show
[52:57] Speaker 1: up to work high and then you realize.
[52:58] Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he's still over there getting the job done.
[53:02] Speaker 5: Huh?
[53:03] Speaker 2: Ain't that something?
[53:05] Speaker 1: So I love that he's as he said, like, I
[53:08] Speaker 1: feel like I know Angelo top to bottom the way
[53:11] Speaker 1: he fully stacked it up.
[53:12] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[53:12] Speaker 3: If you give us a two minute voicemail, it's got
[53:14] Speaker 3: to be a great story. And that was a rich
[53:17] Speaker 3: character building.
[53:18] Speaker 2: I also want to know all the things. How did
[53:21] Speaker 2: Angelo manage to get this job?
[53:23] Speaker 1: Like with all the things that he named him by Angelo,
[53:25] Speaker 1: if he was doing them as the general manager, he
[53:27] Speaker 1: was also doing those things when he was working on
[53:30] Speaker 1: the line.
[53:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to I want I want to know
[53:34] Speaker 3: more about Angelo as well.
[53:36] Speaker 2: Angelo. Excuse me. Someone.
[53:39] Speaker 7: Someone.
[53:41] Speaker 3: At the same place where Angelo demonstrated how to use
[53:43] Speaker 3: the taser.
[53:46] Speaker 1: And what I love is that if Angelo did that,
[53:50] Speaker 1: he did it with his signature on purpose to dare you.
[53:55] Speaker 1: And apparently he came up. He had a he had
[53:57] Speaker 1: a great plan. Like I was watching Inside Man the
[54:00] Speaker 1: other day.
[54:01] Speaker 2: Great plan.
[54:02] Speaker 3: Great plan.
[54:03] Speaker 1: Great plan. Speaking of that, I've been watching a few
[54:05] Speaker 1: movies for whatever reason. And in our next episode, we're
[54:08] Speaker 1: going to have my buddy Howard Bryan on. We're going
[54:09] Speaker 1: to try something. You guys let us know what you
[54:11] Speaker 1: think about this, but we're going to do some movie talk.
[54:13] Speaker 1: We're going to talk about one battle after another, maybe
[54:17] Speaker 1: even a little bit about high and low and highest.
[54:19] Speaker 2: To lowest because Howard is a super movie dude. And
[54:21] Speaker 2: you know, I know how to talk. So, you know,
[54:24] Speaker 2: check it out. It should be good stuff.
[54:26] Speaker 1: But ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us
[54:28] Speaker 1: here on.
[54:29] Speaker 2: The Right Time.
[54:30] Speaker 1: We do this three times a week, sometimes four. Ryan
[54:33] Speaker 1: Brumley handling everything behind the scenes.
[54:35] Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
[54:36] Speaker 1: Remember, hit our voicemail line, 323-596-7767. It's your world. Whatever
[54:40] Speaker 1: you want to talk about, let us know. And remember,
[54:42] Speaker 1: follow The Right Time. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us.
[54:46] Speaker 1: Give us five stars. You only give us four stars.
[54:48] Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We'll talk
[54:50] Speaker 1: to you guys in a couple of days.
[54:52] Speaker 2: Take it easy.

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