# Vinnie Goodwill Discusses Bucks' Big Moves, LeBron & Lakers' Future, Nuggets' Title Threat

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 2 Jul 2025, 1 h 00 min.

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On today’s episode, Vinnie Goodwill of Yahoo Sports joins Bomani Jones to recap some NBA offseason headlines. They start off the show by saying how shocking the Damian Lillard news was (0:58) and how it most likely won't help keep Giannis in Milwaukee (2:16). Continuing with the Giannis topic, Bo and Vinnie say why the Bucks would want Amen Thompson from the Rockets in return (15:24). After the break, Bo explains why it would be a mistake for the Lakers to acquire Deandre Ayton (31:45) and if the Denver Nuggets are now back to being the best team in the Western Conference again (41:15)? Bo and Vinnie round out the show by reacting to the Detroit News article on who Malik Beasley owed money to. (45:30) . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:26] Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports with all the shoes on the wall of
[0:28] Speaker 1: any goodwill that's going on.
[0:30] Speaker 2: What's happening, man?
[0:31] Speaker 1: Hey, man. It is very interesting what NBA free agency
[0:36] Speaker 1: has become, right? Because we are out of the era
[0:40] Speaker 1: of the big giant free agent deal, right? Where the
[0:43] Speaker 1: guy goes from one team to another. The cats have
[0:45] Speaker 1: all decided, I'm going to just lock in on this
[0:47] Speaker 1: deal and then I'm going to strong arm my way
[0:50] Speaker 1: out of here if it comes down to it. Now,
[0:53] Speaker 1: put a pin in that one because I have some
[0:54] Speaker 1: thoughts about that very idea. But I don't know if
[0:59] Speaker 1: I have been more shocked by any transaction ever in
[1:03] Speaker 1: the NBA. Keep it in mind, I woke up one
[1:06] Speaker 1: day at four o'clock in the morning and Luka Doncic
[1:09] Speaker 1: got traded for Anthony Davis, okay? I have never been
[1:13] Speaker 1: more shocked than you and I, you and I were
[1:16] Speaker 1: texting while this is going on because you actually got
[1:17] Speaker 1: to talk to people. I just be out here watching television.
[1:20] Speaker 1: So we see that Miles Turner has signed a $ 25
[1:23] Speaker 1: million a year deal to go to Milwaukee, which was
[1:27] Speaker 1: a surprise on a number of levels. Chief amongst them,
[1:30] Speaker 1: Milwaukee had no cash space. So I'm watching on TV
[1:33] Speaker 1: and it's Tim Bon Temps and Brian Windhorst and Bon
[1:36] Speaker 1: Temps is hypothesized that maybe, maybe they traded Kyle Kuzma
[1:41] Speaker 1: because Kyle Kuzma's salary matched up in order to make
[1:44] Speaker 1: this happen. And wrong. We found out that they waived
[1:49] Speaker 1: Dame Lillard. Somebody sent me a text and said they
[1:52] Speaker 1: waived Dame Lillard and not a person in the game,
[1:55] Speaker 1: just somebody. And I was like, hey, I need to
[1:57] Speaker 1: investigate this matter. I don't know if I can trust you,
[2:00] Speaker 1: my very intelligent friend, because nothing like this ever happened.
[2:05] Speaker 1: They waived him, stretched the $ 110 million out that they
[2:08] Speaker 1: owe him over five years of salary cap, presumably in
[2:14] Speaker 1: an attempt to keep Giannis. You think that's going to work?
[2:19] Speaker 3: Giannis will leave if he wants to leave. And I
[2:22] Speaker 3: think that's the thing that we miss. We naturally assume
[2:25] Speaker 3: that Giannis wants to leave when we've seen and we've
[2:29] Speaker 3: probably been in situations where you don't leave relationships unless
[2:33] Speaker 3: you want to. And plenty of times you get reasons
[2:37] Speaker 3: to leave, but you stay because you want to stay.
[2:38] Speaker 3: Milwaukee has given him reasons to leave. And then they
[2:42] Speaker 3: have gone and done something in the 23rd hour to
[2:45] Speaker 3: try to get him to stay. Now, this isn't getting
[2:47] Speaker 3: Drew Holiday in 2020. This isn't getting Dame Lillard two
[2:50] Speaker 3: years ago to get him to resign.
[2:53] Speaker 2: Bo, think about it like this.
[2:54] Speaker 3: His extension hasn't even kicked in yet. The extension that
[2:57] Speaker 3: he signed when they got Dame Lillard two years ago
[3:01] Speaker 3: doesn't kick in until this season.
[3:04] Speaker 2: So it's almost like the game just rewinds.
[3:07] Speaker 3: Now, on the Dame Lillard thing, it is utterly fascinating
[3:12] Speaker 3: for me that 110 over five.
[3:15] Speaker 2: Years, and they're like, you know what? We can swallow that.
[3:18] Speaker 2: We can eat that.
[3:19] Speaker 3: That is a above-level, mid-level player that you are saying
[3:23] Speaker 3: will be dead money.
[3:25] Speaker 2: And we think.
[3:25] Speaker 3: That will be the best course of action to keep
[3:29] Speaker 3: Giannis Antetokounmpo. And Miles Turner is only replacing Brooke Lopez.
[3:35] Speaker 3: He's not adding on to what they've had over the
[3:38] Speaker 3: past couple of years. He's just a younger version of
[3:42] Speaker 3: everything that Brooke Lopez is. Stretch the floor, defend in space, rebound,
[3:46] Speaker 3: block shots.
[3:48] Speaker 2: He's just younger. That's all.
[3:49] Speaker 3: And by younger, I mean he graduated or he left
[3:51] Speaker 3: college in 2016.
[3:54] Speaker 2: Like, this ain't no young dude, Bo. Like, he's 30
[3:56] Speaker 2: years old.
[3:57] Speaker 3: But this is where the Milwaukee Bucks are at, this
[4:01] Speaker 3: level of desperation to the point that the only move left,
[4:05] Speaker 3: keeping in mind that they don't even have a point guard, Bo.
[4:07] Speaker 3: What are they going to do? Go get Chris Paul,
[4:09] Speaker 3: Vincent Danwitty, Russell Westbrook? Like, they don't have a point guard.
[4:12] Speaker 3: But the only move left, the only card left to
[4:15] Speaker 3: play is to throw the big joker on the table
[4:18] Speaker 3: and say, hey, y'all, this is all we got. Y'all
[4:20] Speaker 3: know what you want to do. That's all they have left.
[4:24] Speaker 1: To be fair, Miles Turner is much younger than Brook Lopez.
[4:29] Speaker 2: That's a good point.
[4:31] Speaker 1: Well, you are correct. I agree with you 100% that
[4:34] Speaker 1: it is another version of the same thing, right? And
[4:39] Speaker 1: I think I would argue– The evolution of Brook Lopez
[4:42] Speaker 1: in his career and what his skills are has been
[4:45] Speaker 1: fascinating because there was a point where he was a
[4:46] Speaker 1: seven rebound a game guy at his size, which is crazy.
[4:50] Speaker 2: We have four different versions of Brook Lopez. Four.
[4:54] Speaker 1: Incredible, right? There are a handful of guys who are
[4:59] Speaker 1: active and are the all-time leading scorer of a franchise
[5:05] Speaker 1: in the NBA, right? LeBron James is. Damian Lillard is.
[5:11] Speaker 1: Who's the other one I was just thinking about? Russell Westbrook.
[5:14] Speaker 1: He is. If he gave me a little more time,
[5:17] Speaker 1: I could probably stop. Oh, I said LeBron James. If
[5:19] Speaker 1: he gave me a little time, I could cook up
[5:20] Speaker 1: some more, right? I think Steph Curry now is the
[5:22] Speaker 1: Warriors guy, right?
[5:24] Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
[5:25] Speaker 1: And one of those people is Brook Lopez.
[5:29] Speaker 2: For the Brooklyn Nets.
[5:30] Speaker 1: Brook Lopez, he's the all-time leading scorer in the history
[5:34] Speaker 1: of the mostly New Jersey Nets. He did a lot
[5:37] Speaker 1: of New Jersey. No, he was Brooklyn. But either way.
[5:39] Speaker 1: Fun fact about Brooke Lopez. I say this, though. If
[5:43] Speaker 1: you're Milwaukee, future, what future? We got no chance if
[5:47] Speaker 1: we're burning 50 a year for two years, right? They
[5:50] Speaker 1: are betting on cap increases that will certainly occur that
[5:54] Speaker 1: will smooth this out just a little bit. But I
[5:56] Speaker 1: also think they're looking at this one. I don't think
[6:00] Speaker 1: they think that Giannis is leaving. And at this point,
[6:03] Speaker 1: I don't think. Giannis is going to want to leave.
[6:07] Speaker 1: And I got a couple of reasons behind that. Number one,
[6:11] Speaker 1: I remember once I was in a negotiation with a
[6:15] Speaker 1: place and had a pretty strong push from another place
[6:21] Speaker 1: to get me. But I didn't want to do that. Right.
[6:25] Speaker 1: And I remember telling the first place, hey, don't make
[6:29] Speaker 1: me do this. Like, I'm telling you right here, this
[6:33] Speaker 1: is what I want it to be, but if you
[6:35] Speaker 1: make me do it, I mean, of course, they damn
[6:37] Speaker 1: near did, but I'm like, don't make me do this, okay?
[6:43] Speaker 1: That's where I feel like Giannis has been with Milwaukee, right? Like, look, man,
[6:47] Speaker 1: I really, really, really want to do this, okay? Don't
[6:49] Speaker 1: make it to where, don't make me look stupid, right?
[6:52] Speaker 1: Don't make me feel foolish for being loyal to what's
[6:56] Speaker 1: going on here, right? Like, that seems to be the
[6:58] Speaker 1: way that he's going about this, but I think that
[7:02] Speaker 1: this CBA, and I'm curious your thoughts about this. While
[7:07] Speaker 1: we look at all the things that I think are
[7:09] Speaker 1: ultimately negative about this CBA, and the biggest thing that
[7:11] Speaker 1: I hate about it is they're basically rewarding incompetence, or
[7:14] Speaker 1: at the very least, they are penalizing competence, right? Like
[7:17] Speaker 1: they came up with this salary cap way back when,
[7:19] Speaker 1: and then they had to put the Larry Bird provisions
[7:21] Speaker 1: in because they realized, oh shit, we're making it where
[7:25] Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics can't keep Larry Bird. That's a terrible idea, right?
[7:29] Speaker 1: Like just as a principle. That's a terrible idea. And
[7:31] Speaker 1: so they did all these things with the cap to
[7:33] Speaker 1: try to make it such that you can keep your
[7:35] Speaker 1: own team together without just going and poaching players from
[7:38] Speaker 1: other teams. That seemed to be what the provision was.
[7:41] Speaker 1: Then it reached a place where they were like, yo, man,
[7:43] Speaker 1: now we can't get these guys to stay anymore because
[7:45] Speaker 1: they decided they wanted to put the max salary provision
[7:47] Speaker 1: in there. And that made it such that the difference
[7:49] Speaker 1: between the max and what you get in these other
[7:51] Speaker 1: places by and large was not that high. Then they
[7:54] Speaker 1: kept doing more.
[7:55] Speaker 3: Right.
[7:55] Speaker 1: They added the idea of the Supermax, for example, so
[7:58] Speaker 1: that now they make it even more, make it easier
[8:01] Speaker 1: for the teams to keep the guys. But that still
[8:04] Speaker 1: wasn't really working that well in order to keep guys.
[8:08] Speaker 1: Now they set these aprons up. Right. And aside from
[8:12] Speaker 1: the fact that the aprons, you know, have these punitive
[8:15] Speaker 1: tax penalties when you go over the second apron and
[8:17] Speaker 1: everything else that comes with it. What it really does
[8:19] Speaker 1: that I think is most interesting and quite honestly problematic
[8:22] Speaker 1: is that once teams get into these second aprons, it's
[8:25] Speaker 1: what you can't do to improve your team. It's the
[8:28] Speaker 1: trades and acquisitions that you can't make in order to
[8:32] Speaker 1: get your team just a little bit better. So once
[8:34] Speaker 1: you decide to go into second apron, hard cap is
[8:37] Speaker 1: basically where we are, except it's not even just a
[8:39] Speaker 1: hard cap. you can't maneuver, right? So it's one thing
[8:43] Speaker 1: to be like, yo, you can't go add more players
[8:45] Speaker 1: because then it's too much. But now we can't even
[8:47] Speaker 1: make little moves. I say all that to say this.
[8:51] Speaker 1: If you're Giannis, if a team makes a move to
[8:55] Speaker 1: get you, How unlikely or how likely is it that
[8:58] Speaker 1: you're going to be right back in the same situation
[9:00] Speaker 1: in 18 to 24 months looking around like what y'all got,
[9:04] Speaker 1: what y'all going to be able to do for me.
[9:07] Speaker 1: And now we're going to be doing this same exact
[9:09] Speaker 1: thing over and over again. So to me, it feels
[9:11] Speaker 1: like the owners have finally gotten what they wanted to
[9:15] Speaker 1: me at the expense of everything else. But they finally
[9:18] Speaker 1: got what they wanted. We're going to make these dudes stay.
[9:21] Speaker 1: These guys that we think sell all the tickets, we're
[9:25] Speaker 1: going to make it really hard for them to leave.
[9:28] Speaker 2: Well, it's funny.
[9:29] Speaker 3: You said penalizing competence. I think they're penalizing excellence, right?
[9:33] Speaker 3: And now players, it's going to be so much more important,
[9:37] Speaker 3: because I'm going to get to a point. It's going
[9:38] Speaker 3: to be so much more important, to your last point,
[9:40] Speaker 3: about where players are drafted now. Because before it would
[9:43] Speaker 3: be you could spend seven years somewhere, and then once
[9:46] Speaker 3: you get into a certain place where you could get 25%
[9:49] Speaker 3: of the cap, Then you go somewhere, sign a shorter deal,
[9:53] Speaker 3: then sign a longer deal, and you're in the place
[9:55] Speaker 3: that you want to be. That no longer exists. And folks,
[9:58] Speaker 3: let us appreciate Bomani having his Samuel L. Jackson and
[10:02] Speaker 3: Jungle Fever moment where he says... Don't make me beat
[10:06] Speaker 3: somebody over the head.
[10:07] Speaker 2: I'll do it.
[10:08] Speaker 1: I'll do it. That's all I'm saying. I'll do it.
[10:12] Speaker 1: I'll do it. That was very much. I've been there
[10:15] Speaker 1: a couple times. One time it worked out the way
[10:18] Speaker 1: it wanted. One time it was just like, all right, cool.
[10:20] Speaker 1: You know, we'll do this.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Cool.
[10:22] Speaker 1: You got it.
[10:24] Speaker 2: All right, man. Wesley Snipes. All right, man. Here, here.
[10:26] Speaker 2: Just don't make me beat somebody over the head.
[10:28] Speaker 1: No.
[10:29] Speaker 3: But I think the CBA, amongst other things, has landlocked
[10:36] Speaker 3: players into deciding either you want the money that you
[10:40] Speaker 3: are going to be underpaid for anyway, right?
[10:44] Speaker 2: LeBron, underpaid. Giannis, underpaid.
[10:46] Speaker 3: Like the top of the top level guys, they know
[10:49] Speaker 3: how much they're worth to their franchises, so they can't
[10:52] Speaker 3: take a penny less. The union has set it up
[10:54] Speaker 3: so that if Giannis takes less, then that sets the
[10:57] Speaker 3: precedent for every other superstar coming.
[11:00] Speaker 2: Down the pike. LeBron has to take the Max.
[11:03] Speaker 3: He absolutely cannot afford for the future help of the
[11:06] Speaker 3: league and the players in the league not take a
[11:10] Speaker 3: dollar less at this stage because of all the discounts
[11:14] Speaker 3: or because of the discount he took in Miami. Well,
[11:17] Speaker 3: I think I think his first year he was getting
[11:18] Speaker 3: 13 million dollars. Oh, that is mid-level exception money now.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Yo, and that's the reason why he ain't taking a
[11:27] Speaker 1: dime less ever again. I tell you, he did it
[11:29] Speaker 1: once and y'all ain't give him no credit for it.
[11:32] Speaker 2: Not never.
[11:33] Speaker 3: So with Giannis, and I'm with you on the point
[11:36] Speaker 3: that not only it makes players stay and you wind
[11:39] Speaker 3: up being in the exact same situation.
[11:41] Speaker 2: For me, it's twofold.
[11:43] Speaker 3: If I'm a rival team and I'm looking at the
[11:46] Speaker 3: NBA moving so much faster, like we never would have
[11:49] Speaker 3: thought Luka Doncic would have gotten traded. We don't know
[11:52] Speaker 3: how many times we thought Kevin Durant would be traded,
[11:54] Speaker 3: like all the machinations and things that have changed over
[11:57] Speaker 3: the NBA just in the last 24 months, right? I'm
[12:03] Speaker 3: still operating under the guise that maybe this don't work,
[12:06] Speaker 3: and I'm going to keep my powder dry, and I'm
[12:09] Speaker 3: going to hold my war chest just in case Giannis says,
[12:12] Speaker 3: you know what, I've had enough. That's why if I'm
[12:14] Speaker 3: the Houston Rockets, yeah, I will give you but so much,
[12:18] Speaker 3: Phoenix Suns, Kevin Durant. But I'm keeping my Jabari Smiths.
[12:23] Speaker 3: I'm keeping my Cam Whitmores. I'm keeping Reed Shepard. I'm
[12:27] Speaker 3: keeping a man Thompson who was never going anywhere, anywhere, anyway.
[12:30] Speaker 3: I'm keeping all of my young players just in case
[12:35] Speaker 3: Giannis decides I've had enough. Because you can go from
[12:38] Speaker 3: saying I'm a Milwaukee Buck for life to saying, man,
[12:42] Speaker 3: in a week Eastern conference, we couldn't get it done
[12:45] Speaker 3: in 2026 to saying.
[12:47] Speaker 2: Get me up out of here.
[12:49] Speaker 3: If I'm Giannis, and there is no clear-cut place besides Houston,
[12:53] Speaker 3: I'm saying let's play this out for at least a
[12:56] Speaker 3: year because then he has one more year left after
[13:00] Speaker 3: next year, and then he goes into an option year.
[13:02] Speaker 3: Not saying that because nobody goes into free agency anymore, right?
[13:05] Speaker 3: The Stars don't go into free agency anymore. You get traded,
[13:09] Speaker 3: and you get your extension. That's how it goes. But
[13:11] Speaker 3: if I'm honest, I'm playing this out for at least
[13:13] Speaker 3: one year so that all these other teams that maybe
[13:16] Speaker 3: want to make a run for me They get your
[13:18] Speaker 3: draft picks in order, you get your house in order,
[13:20] Speaker 3: and then you go from there.
[13:21] Speaker 1: All right, but let me throw something else out here.
[13:24] Speaker 1: And I feel bad for Giannis because I can often
[13:28] Speaker 1: feel like this in my own life, and it doesn't
[13:31] Speaker 1: feel good. But if I'm Milwaukee, say Giannis come upstairs
[13:37] Speaker 1: and say, I want a trade. Duly noted. We're going
[13:41] Speaker 1: to work on finding you a trade. You telling me
[13:44] Speaker 1: Giannis ain't going to come out here and play hard, bro? Oh,
[13:49] Speaker 1: it's just what he does. It's what he does. It's
[13:52] Speaker 1: what he does. It's what he does. Like, this is not...
[13:55] Speaker 1: James Harden says he wants to trade. You need to
[13:57] Speaker 1: go trade James Harden right now.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Okay?
[14:01] Speaker 1: Before somebody got to whoop his ass in the locker room.
[14:04] Speaker 1: You need to go trade James Harden, right? Because that's
[14:06] Speaker 1: in Houston. That's what it almost came down to. Look,
[14:10] Speaker 1: it was a bunch of new. What was it? DeMarcus Cousins?
[14:13] Speaker 1: John Wall. John Wall. PJ Tucker was on that team.
[14:17] Speaker 1: Like James Harden. Hey, brother, myself first. And I believe
[14:21] Speaker 1: the word that I saw used by at least one
[14:24] Speaker 1: of them was disrespect. They felt as though James Harden
[14:28] Speaker 1: was behaving in a disrespectful manner.
[14:33] Speaker 3: And this is post-Achilles boogie.
[14:36] Speaker 1: It's great.
[14:37] Speaker 2: He had zero of the Fs to give.
[14:40] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, man. No, man.
[14:44] Speaker 1: And they had to get James Harden out of there.
[14:46] Speaker 1: But Giannis, Giannis is going to show up. Look, remember
[14:48] Speaker 1: when Kevin Durant asked for a trade from the Nets
[14:50] Speaker 1: and they was like, yeah, gotcha. Okay. That's nice. Kevin Durant,
[15:00] Speaker 1: they treated that Kevin Durant trade proposal like it is
[15:02] Speaker 1: with Trump when they bring him to daily briefing. He's like, ah, cool.
[15:07] Speaker 1: Toss that bitch over his shoulder like nothing ain't even happened. Like,
[15:11] Speaker 1: what I need to know with that? What I need
[15:12] Speaker 1: that for? Are you going to be kidding me? Right?
[15:15] Speaker 1: And so I think in part, that's kind of where
[15:17] Speaker 1: if I'm the... Because here's... If I'm the Bucks and
[15:19] Speaker 1: we've all talked about the Rockets and... I think if
[15:23] Speaker 1: you are a Milwaukee fan, you absolutely say, we have
[15:26] Speaker 1: to get Amin Thompson in such a trade. If you
[15:30] Speaker 1: are a Rockets fan, you're saying, we're not giving Amin
[15:33] Speaker 1: Thompson up in that trade. If I am Milwaukee, I
[15:35] Speaker 1: am very clear with Giannis. Look, if you want to
[15:37] Speaker 1: go to Houston, that's cool. But I'm telling you right now,
[15:40] Speaker 1: if they don't give us Thompson, we're not doing it. Right?
[15:44] Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, if I'm the Rockets, I'd
[15:47] Speaker 1: probably do it.
[15:49] Speaker 2: You have to. You hold your nose.
[15:51] Speaker 3: And you do it because if you're getting Giannis at age, okay,
[15:55] Speaker 3: Giannis is 30 now. He'll be 31 in December. And
[15:58] Speaker 3: you look at the years of excellence that Giannis has had,
[16:02] Speaker 3: these elite years. Let's just go back to, let's say 2018, right?
[16:06] Speaker 3: Let's say 2018 is the first year where Giannis has
[16:10] Speaker 3: turned into an absolute superhero. And then 2019 was his
[16:13] Speaker 3: first MVP. He's been a superhero for seven years at 6'11.
[16:18] Speaker 3: 240 pounds with the beating on his body. And let's
[16:23] Speaker 3: just say the lack of outside development from three-point shooting.
[16:28] Speaker 3: So his game is predicated on power and strength and
[16:32] Speaker 3: speed and all these things that diminish over time, unless
[16:36] Speaker 3: you are LeBron James by and large.
[16:40] Speaker 2: If you're going to acquire him, you can only play
[16:42] Speaker 2: for two years at a time.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Right.
[16:47] Speaker 3: You're going to get two rings out of it, but
[16:49] Speaker 3: you're going to play for those two years with him
[16:51] Speaker 3: and KD and you're going to be OK with it.
[16:54] Speaker 1: Right. So here's my question for you on that idea,
[16:59] Speaker 1: because I think you're correct about that. Right. All of
[17:02] Speaker 1: us are wild excited about Ahmed Thompson.
[17:05] Speaker 2: OK. Yes.
[17:06] Speaker 1: And I think you tell me if I'm wrong, he's
[17:08] Speaker 1: taller and he's more slender. But I think the comp
[17:11] Speaker 1: that we're really looking at is Kawhi Leonard. right? That
[17:15] Speaker 1: to me is like a guy that has the potential
[17:16] Speaker 1: to be the best perimeter defender in the NBA can
[17:20] Speaker 1: go and get his own shot. He's slender, but he's strong, right?
[17:24] Speaker 1: I feel like he's got a kind of no-must, no-fuss
[17:26] Speaker 1: offensive game that is similar to that. The thing is,
[17:29] Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard turned himself into an excellent three-point shooter, and
[17:33] Speaker 1: Ahmed Thompson, as it stands right now, is a mediocre
[17:36] Speaker 1: to bad three-point shooter. I bring all that up to say,
[17:40] Speaker 1: I think that we're operating on an assumption of how
[17:42] Speaker 1: good Thompson is going to be. That is actually a
[17:45] Speaker 1: touch optimistic, especially considering he's 22. Right. This is not
[17:48] Speaker 1: a guy who is like, you know, came into the
[17:50] Speaker 1: league at 18. Right. I it's a big risk if
[17:54] Speaker 1: you're the Rockets. But if you decide you're playing the
[17:57] Speaker 1: honest game, then I think this is a dude you trade.
[18:01] Speaker 1: You can't have this with so many ways. But then
[18:03] Speaker 1: the problem, Vinny, is that Ahmed Thompson does not make
[18:05] Speaker 1: a lot of money right now. And so if you
[18:07] Speaker 1: do make this trade and you have Giannis, you have
[18:09] Speaker 1: Giannis and Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant, who's going to want
[18:11] Speaker 1: some more money after this. So then what do you do?
[18:16] Speaker 3: So, Bo, I think there's something to that, right? I
[18:19] Speaker 3: think the comp for all of these hypothetical deals is
[18:22] Speaker 3: a Sam Presti combo deal, right?
[18:24] Speaker 2: Where we get Shea Gildas Alexander.
[18:27] Speaker 3: You get Paul George, and we get every single draft
[18:30] Speaker 3: pick known to mankind. Let me ask you this, and
[18:33] Speaker 3: not to change the subject, but let me just ask
[18:35] Speaker 3: you as far as worth of a trade.
[18:37] Speaker 2: If the L.A.
[18:38] Speaker 3: Clippers win a championship, do we think of that deal
[18:42] Speaker 3: as so lopsided? If they win one championship, even if
[18:46] Speaker 3: they win the goddamn bubble championship in 2020, do we think.
[18:50] Speaker 2: That the L.A.
[18:51] Speaker 3: Clippers get fleeced by Sam Presti and the Oklahoma City Thunder?
[18:55] Speaker 3: Is that trade worth his weight in gold for one championship?
[19:00] Speaker 1: So that is an interesting question because it raises this.
[19:04] Speaker 1: What is a championship worth depending upon the franchise, right?
[19:10] Speaker 1: For example, the one championship that LeBron won for the
[19:13] Speaker 1: Cavs means way more than the one championship that LeBron
[19:17] Speaker 1: won for the Lakers. They are not the same, right?
[19:21] Speaker 1: To me, if the Clippers, The Clippers had won a championship.
[19:32] Speaker 1: Everything that you could ever imagine is worth it. I
[19:35] Speaker 1: actually make the argument that for the Clippers, that trade
[19:39] Speaker 1: was not nearly as lopsided as advertised. They had some
[19:42] Speaker 1: horrible luck. And some of it, I mean, it's just
[19:45] Speaker 1: what Kawhi Leonard's body was. They had some injury issues
[19:47] Speaker 1: with Paul George also.
[19:49] Speaker 2: But.
[19:50] Speaker 1: I don't think that we can be so short-sighted in
[19:53] Speaker 1: our memories to lose sight of the fact that That
[19:57] Speaker 1: trade completed what started with the Chris Paul trade in
[20:01] Speaker 1: the fall of 2011 and completely legitimized this franchise to
[20:05] Speaker 1: the point where they could have their own arena and
[20:07] Speaker 1: everything that came with it. You know what I mean?
[20:10] Speaker 1: And the Clippers, by the way, are not a bad team.
[20:12] Speaker 1: They were still in a position to make some moves
[20:15] Speaker 1: and do some things and make some stuff happen. Kawhi
[20:19] Speaker 1: Leonard was more tattered than they had understood. But if
[20:23] Speaker 1: they had won that championship, yep, you make that trade.
[20:26] Speaker 1: Every single time. It is a no-brainer. The question is,
[20:31] Speaker 1: how much is one ring worth it to the Houston Rockets?
[20:35] Speaker 2: And I was going to say that.
[20:36] Speaker 3: I was going to say that because Houston has a
[20:37] Speaker 3: championship lineage. Houston has won championships. They have gone to
[20:42] Speaker 3: the NBA. They went to the NBA Finals twice in
[20:43] Speaker 3: the 80s, twice in the 90s, been a contender over
[20:47] Speaker 3: the Daryl Morey, James Harden years.
[20:49] Speaker 2: They aren't the little engine that could. And they are
[20:52] Speaker 2: the team.
[20:53] Speaker 3: Or the franchise that you made this point before. They
[20:56] Speaker 3: are very welcoming to stars. When you look at their
[20:59] Speaker 3: all-time list, you're like, man, okay, yeah, you drafted a king.
[21:03] Speaker 3: You traded for Clyde. You traded for Charles. You traded
[21:05] Speaker 3: for Chris Paul. You traded for James Harden. You traded,
[21:08] Speaker 3: you know, Moses Malone, even going back to those guys. Like,
[21:10] Speaker 3: you wind up having.
[21:17] Speaker 2: You know?
[21:18] Speaker 1: And keep in mind, when they drafted Ralph Sampson and
[21:20] Speaker 1: Elijah Ward, what that meant in both cases.
[21:22] Speaker 2: Yes. And duplication. Who cares? You're going to the NBA finals.
[21:26] Speaker 2: That's what that meant. That legit. I mean, let's.
[21:29] Speaker 3: Appreciate the fact that Hakeem Olajuwon in year two put out,
[21:35] Speaker 3: put out arguably the greatest center of the modern era
[21:38] Speaker 3: in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and and then basically gave the works to.
[21:46] Speaker 3: the greatest front line we've ever seen in Larry Bird,
[21:48] Speaker 3: Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish, right in year two.
[21:52] Speaker 2: That was Akeem Abdul Olajuwon.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Not Akeem.
[21:56] Speaker 2: That's correct.
[21:57] Speaker 1: Can I make my quick point about Akeem starting with A, Olajuwon,
[22:00] Speaker 1: that everyone needs to remember, and it is the greatest
[22:02] Speaker 1: compliment that anybody could ever make? I grew up in Houston.
[22:06] Speaker 1: Never once heard nobody say we could have had Jordan.
[22:11] Speaker 2: That's the win.
[22:12] Speaker 1: How crazy that is. And by the way, baby, I
[22:17] Speaker 1: don't know anybody who had the majority of his prime
[22:22] Speaker 1: completely wasted by the front office. You can blame it
[22:26] Speaker 1: on the dope.
[22:27] Speaker 3: Right.
[22:27] Speaker 1: But the dope was Mitch Wiggins and Lou Lloyd. This
[22:30] Speaker 1: is like the, the, the dope was not, the dope
[22:33] Speaker 1: did not take out Ralph Sampson. Everything else got Ralph Sampson,
[22:36] Speaker 1: but the dope did not take out Ralph Sampson. It
[22:37] Speaker 1: was Elijah Watt and his lonesome out there. And he
[22:41] Speaker 1: won a ring with it. And by the way, Elijah
[22:43] Speaker 1: Watt told the Rockets, I want to trade. And Charlie Thomas,
[22:48] Speaker 1: the dead owner told him, you call me whatever you want,
[22:51] Speaker 1: but I got tickets to sell. And all Elijah Watt
[22:54] Speaker 1: did was say, okay. And then two years later, won
[22:56] Speaker 1: a championship. And then the next year won another.
[22:59] Speaker 3: Look, The fact that he went to them and said,
[23:02] Speaker 3: I want to trade. That's like me saying, I want
[23:04] Speaker 3: to date with Kelly Rowland. You know what we're going
[23:06] Speaker 3: to do?
[23:07] Speaker 2: Laugh.
[23:10] Speaker 1: He said they wanted to trade after they accused him
[23:12] Speaker 1: of faking an injury. It was terrible. And they were like, nope.
[23:17] Speaker 1: Everybody's just going to have to get over it.
[23:20] Speaker 3: And you know what we're going to give you? We're
[23:23] Speaker 3: going to give you Otis Thorpe, Sam Cassell, Kenny Smith,
[23:29] Speaker 3: And Vernon Maxwell, go make it happen.
[23:33] Speaker 2: Make it enough. And he made it enough. And he
[23:36] Speaker 2: put out in consecutive years.
[23:38] Speaker 1: Hold on. We would have got you Robert Ory, but
[23:42] Speaker 1: then that wasn't actually going so good. So we decided
[23:45] Speaker 1: to trade him to get you Sean Elliott, except he
[23:50] Speaker 1: needed a new kidney. We just didn't know it at
[23:52] Speaker 1: the time. And so they sent Robert Ory back. Can
[23:55] Speaker 1: you imagine? I mean, these sorts of things have happened before, right?
[23:59] Speaker 1: But I don't know what it would have been like
[24:01] Speaker 1: in this day and age, the Robert Ory for Sean
[24:03] Speaker 1: Elliott trade. It was Robert Ory and Matt Bullard for
[24:07] Speaker 1: Sean Elliott. Sean Elliott failed his physical. It was years
[24:10] Speaker 1: before the kidney got replaced, but he failed his physical.
[24:14] Speaker 1: And Matt Bullard now does TV for the Rockets, and
[24:16] Speaker 1: Robert Ory became Big Shot Bob in the 95.5s.
[24:20] Speaker 2: Think about it like this.
[24:22] Speaker 3: In a two-year span, the San Antonio Spurs said, we're
[24:26] Speaker 3: going to trade Sean Elliott for Dennis Rodman. And then
[24:30] Speaker 3: they traded for Sean Elliott again and got him back
[24:33] Speaker 3: for the Lolo. For the Lolo. And then they decided
[24:36] Speaker 3: to take that gift horse in the mouth and say,
[24:38] Speaker 3: you know what, Dennis Rodman? You're a little too crazy
[24:41] Speaker 3: for us. We're going to trade you for Will Purdue.
[24:43] Speaker 1: Gave him away. They were like, just whatever you got.
[24:48] Speaker 2: Just, just. You want him. You want him.
[24:52] Speaker 3: Just name something. Name a price and we're going to
[24:56] Speaker 3: say yes. I mean, I don't have a lot.
[24:59] Speaker 2: Name a price. I promise you, I don't have a lot.
[25:03] Speaker 2: Name a price. Okay, man.
[25:05] Speaker 1: Okay.
[25:06] Speaker 2: I'm serious. Will Purdue. Sold!
[25:08] Speaker 1: Sold! Sold! They would have took Will Purdue. They would
[25:11] Speaker 1: have took Ed Neely. They would have took Bobby Hanson.
[25:15] Speaker 1: They would have took John Paxson. They would have took
[25:18] Speaker 1: Bill Winnington. What other white boys am I forgetting that
[25:21] Speaker 1: the Bulls had? Because Phil Jackson loved to keep a couple.
[25:25] Speaker 2: Jack Haley. They kept Jack Haley. They had to keep
[25:29] Speaker 2: Jack Haley for Rodman.
[25:31] Speaker 1: For Dennis Rodman. That is correct.
[25:33] Speaker 2: God bless his soul. God bless his soul. Sorry, Jack Haley.
[25:37] Speaker 3: But to your point, circling back about the man Thompson,
[25:41] Speaker 3: the question I have is, Why does he need to
[25:44] Speaker 3: be a three point shooter to be even an elite
[25:47] Speaker 3: offensive player?
[25:49] Speaker 1: I think he needs to be a better than 28
[25:53] Speaker 1: percent three point shooter.
[25:55] Speaker 3: Right.
[25:56] Speaker 1: I don't need him to be I don't need him
[25:57] Speaker 1: to shoot like Brad Beal. Right. But 28, we can
[26:02] Speaker 1: leave you alone. That is what you can't have. And
[26:06] Speaker 1: that is the point that he's at now. Now, of course,
[26:09] Speaker 1: with Durant now, they'll be able to spread the floor
[26:12] Speaker 1: a little better and that'll make him a bit more dangerous.
[26:15] Speaker 1: But the reason to keep Ahmed Thompson is not what
[26:18] Speaker 1: he can do for you right now. It's the idea
[26:20] Speaker 1: and thought that you have a real live frontline franchise
[26:23] Speaker 1: player for many years. And he's a guy that all
[26:25] Speaker 1: the guys who play basketball, they see it. They immediately
[26:28] Speaker 1: see it with him. I'm probably going to get Giannis, right? Like,
[26:32] Speaker 1: It's in the same situation as the Clippers. We're going
[26:34] Speaker 1: to get Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Okay, but you
[26:37] Speaker 1: got to give us Shea. All right, we'll see what happens.
[26:41] Speaker 3: Now, here's the question I have for you. This is
[26:43] Speaker 3: a general philosophical question that I ask NBA executives and coaches.
[26:50] Speaker 3: Can you build a team beyond a two-year window? Like,
[26:54] Speaker 3: can you look beyond two years in today's NBA? Because
[26:58] Speaker 3: the game moves so damn fast. fast, all the things
[27:02] Speaker 3: we thought existed two years ago, just a short two
[27:05] Speaker 3: years ago after Denver won their NBA championship. Oh, they're
[27:09] Speaker 3: going to be here for a while, right? And we're
[27:12] Speaker 3: going to talk about them. We'll be like, oh, they're
[27:13] Speaker 3: going to be here for a while. No, we're not
[27:16] Speaker 3: really sure. So I think because of free agency and
[27:19] Speaker 3: everything that happens in trade markets and Achilles injuries and
[27:22] Speaker 3: all the other type of stuff, you can't plan beyond
[27:25] Speaker 3: two years in today's NBA. I don't think that's a
[27:29] Speaker 3: good thing. I think some people laugh and think, oh,
[27:30] Speaker 3: it's more like the NFL. I think it's too seismic.
[27:34] Speaker 3: There's not enough connective tissue for fans to build upon,
[27:38] Speaker 3: for the media to build upon, for your own storylines.
[27:41] Speaker 3: If it's too much change, too much like violent change,
[27:45] Speaker 3: but that's the way that the NBA is now.
[27:47] Speaker 2: I don't think you can build beyond two or three years.
[27:50] Speaker 1: These owners wanted the NFL, and this is what they've gotten,
[27:53] Speaker 1: and we're going to see whether that's something anybody actually wants.
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[29:29] Speaker 1: with vinnie goodwill um i went over it on the
[29:32] Speaker 1: show on monday the lebron james soap opera of sorts
[29:36] Speaker 1: and again i get it from where lebron's coming from
[29:39] Speaker 1: right like lebron thing is you got to put the
[29:41] Speaker 1: screws to these cats every year to get it done.
[29:45] Speaker 1: But I think, again, the new CBA doesn't really make
[29:48] Speaker 1: it possible. To make moves in the way that he
[29:51] Speaker 1: is talking about and be sustainable on it. Now, of course,
[29:53] Speaker 1: if you only got one or two years left, you
[29:55] Speaker 1: like fuck a future dog. Like y'all need to go
[29:57] Speaker 1: ahead and make this happen. There are all the things
[29:59] Speaker 1: that come with it. But I just want to ask
[30:00] Speaker 1: you about this one thing.
[30:02] Speaker 2: OK.
[30:05] Speaker 1: The Lakers need a center. We have known that they
[30:07] Speaker 1: needed a center since. The middle of last season, when
[30:12] Speaker 1: they made the trade for Mark Williams, and then they
[30:14] Speaker 1: said he failed his physical, but Mark Williams just got
[30:17] Speaker 1: traded to somebody else who apparently thinks he going to
[30:20] Speaker 1: be all right. That is its own story for another day.
[30:24] Speaker 1: I saw Lakers fans hoping that the Lakers would get
[30:29] Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton.
[30:31] Speaker 2: Okay. I.
[30:34] Speaker 1: was a DeAndre Ayton defender for a while, or a
[30:38] Speaker 1: defender of him in the sense that I did not
[30:41] Speaker 1: think I think that when you make a draft pick,
[30:44] Speaker 1: your hope is to get a good player, and you
[30:46] Speaker 1: can't get so caught up in whether or not somebody
[30:48] Speaker 1: else got a better player. And I thought that Phoenix
[30:51] Speaker 1: got a good player when they had them, and I
[30:53] Speaker 1: would note that Phoenix made it to the NBA Finals
[30:55] Speaker 1: before Dallas did, right? I don't know if they wind
[30:58] Speaker 1: up with Chris Paul and all the other stuff, if
[31:00] Speaker 1: they get Luka. There's all kinds of things that are there,
[31:03] Speaker 1: and I don't think Luka had any interest in going
[31:05] Speaker 1: to play for Phoenix, even if their coach was his
[31:07] Speaker 1: Slovenian home, right? All of that stuff. However... In 2022, which, wow,
[31:16] Speaker 1: long time ago now. When DeAndre did not go into
[31:19] Speaker 1: the second half of game seven against Dallas. Flat out
[31:22] Speaker 1: did not go. That was losership right there. And from
[31:28] Speaker 1: what we are hearing out of Portland, where he missed
[31:31] Speaker 1: a game because the roads was frozen. And look, baby,
[31:33] Speaker 1: I know you from the Bahamas, but come on now.
[31:38] Speaker 2: They sent somebody to get him and he was like, no,
[31:41] Speaker 2: I'm straight.
[31:45] Speaker 1: I cannot believe that you would be trying to win
[31:50] Speaker 1: a championship and think that bringing this guy is a
[31:55] Speaker 1: good idea. Like, the only reason you do that if
[31:57] Speaker 1: you're the Lakers is if you try to make LeBron quit.
[31:59] Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Like, what? LeBron, like, look, only person
[32:04] Speaker 1: that gonna be late all the time is me.
[32:08] Speaker 3: It is... Okay, I'm going to start back to what
[32:12] Speaker 3: I saw when I saw DeAndre Ayton. I saw a
[32:15] Speaker 3: big man with decent feet, a good touch, and a
[32:19] Speaker 3: decent enough rebounder.
[32:21] Speaker 2: You know what I saw? I saw Patrick Ewing, right?
[32:25] Speaker 3: I remember seeing, oh, Patrick Ewing, drop.
[32:28] Speaker 2: Step, fade away. I saw the skill set.
[32:31] Speaker 3: I didn't see the meanness. I saw a nice dude
[32:36] Speaker 3: to talk to, in a way. He's a good dude
[32:38] Speaker 3: to talk to. But I didn't see the mean. I
[32:40] Speaker 3: didn't see the nasty. And I'm like, man, I hope
[32:43] Speaker 3: he gets it somewhere along the way. And then it
[32:46] Speaker 3: doesn't happen. And then when Portland drafts someone to take
[32:50] Speaker 3: his job a year after they get him, he becomes
[32:54] Speaker 3: the kid's biggest mentor and cheerleader. yo, you sitting somebody
[32:58] Speaker 3: to take, you trying to take my spot, Flash? I'm
[33:01] Speaker 3: not going to encourage you to take my spot.
[33:05] Speaker 2: I'm going at your neck. Somehow.
[33:08] Speaker 1: They just bought him out.
[33:09] Speaker 3: They bought him out, which shows you how much they
[33:13] Speaker 3: want you to go. Like, whatever you've done, and remember,
[33:17] Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups is not one of these fire and brimstone
[33:21] Speaker 3: head coaches. He's a former player who is very sympathetic
[33:25] Speaker 3: to players. This is not one of these PJ Carlissimo
[33:29] Speaker 3: type dudes who don't have any, you know, lack of
[33:31] Speaker 3: a better phrase, like an understanding of today's player, like
[33:33] Speaker 3: Chauncey understands today's player. And he's like, nah, this ain't it.
[33:37] Speaker 3: So now you're going to send, listen to this part, bro.
[33:41] Speaker 3: You're going to send DeAndre Ayton, Not to LeBron James' team.
[33:45] Speaker 3: You're going to send DeAndre Ayton to J.J.
[33:47] Speaker 2: Redick's team?
[33:48] Speaker 3: Do you want that man to have a heart attack
[33:51] Speaker 3: on the sidelines?
[33:53] Speaker 2: Do you want to see.
[33:53] Speaker 3: That man's vein in his neck pop out during an
[33:59] Speaker 3: actual game? That's what y'all want to see? You want
[34:01] Speaker 3: to see Rob Pelinka?
[34:03] Speaker 2: Okay, cool. Go ahead. Entertainment.
[34:06] Speaker 1: Let me throw the other level on this. Forgive me
[34:09] Speaker 1: if I interrupted you. We got a little internet traffic
[34:12] Speaker 1: lag game, right? But I was gonna throw this out
[34:14] Speaker 1: here at you. We got the one year that you
[34:17] Speaker 1: could rest assured that you're going to get tip-top shape
[34:20] Speaker 1: Luka Doncic. And I say this because I watched Shaquille
[34:23] Speaker 1: O'Neal play basketball for 20 years, okay? Get a new coach,
[34:27] Speaker 1: make a move to a new team or whatever, you
[34:30] Speaker 1: gonna get it, all right? But people are who they are, okay?
[34:35] Speaker 1: Luka did not turn into a new person. If he
[34:37] Speaker 1: does not have that dedication and that vigilance about it,
[34:42] Speaker 1: then it's not naturally within him. I don't think you're
[34:45] Speaker 1: going to develop it in an off season because people
[34:48] Speaker 1: were picking on you. That's not it, right? And so
[34:51] Speaker 1: with Shaq, Shaq year 2000, for example, that MVP year,
[34:54] Speaker 1: we never saw Shaq like that before. We never saw
[34:57] Speaker 1: Shaq like that after. The next year, he was still
[34:59] Speaker 1: pretty good, but that's when we start. Isn't that when
[35:01] Speaker 1: we started getting into, I got hurt on company time,
[35:03] Speaker 1: so I heal on company time, right? Like that's when
[35:06] Speaker 1: we started.
[35:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a year after that, but you're right. You're right.
[35:08] Speaker 3: We start trending in that area, but you're right.
[35:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Because he is who he is. And I'm not
[35:14] Speaker 1: saying that, I'm not trying to say that it's an
[35:16] Speaker 1: insult necessarily, but I'm just saying that's his inclination. Kobe
[35:20] Speaker 1: Bryant was that from day one. LeBron James was that
[35:24] Speaker 1: from day one. Luka Doncic at 25 or 26 years old,
[35:29] Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to suddenly turn into that guy.
[35:31] Speaker 1: So you're going to get that guy this year. And
[35:34] Speaker 1: then you're going to bring in a dude who's been
[35:36] Speaker 1: acting like a loser for the last three, four years?
[35:39] Speaker 3: No, I look up a name. I will look up
[35:43] Speaker 3: a name. I will give you a name of a
[35:44] Speaker 3: player who may dispute that. May dispute that. I'm looking
[35:49] Speaker 3: up his age.
[35:52] Speaker 2: I will give you a.
[35:52] Speaker 3: Three-time MVP who got in the best shape of his
[35:55] Speaker 3: life at age 27 after they shipped away one of
[36:00] Speaker 3: his drinking buddies.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Okay.
[36:03] Speaker 1: Let me hit you with a counterpoint on that. Because
[36:06] Speaker 1: who you are talking about is Larry Joe Byrd. Right?
[36:12] Speaker 1: Larry Bird's problem could be fixed by trading his drinking buddy.
[36:19] Speaker 1: Luka Doncic is the drinking buddy. everybody mama swear the
[36:32] Speaker 1: other one is the problem right like they i put
[36:36] Speaker 1: it to you like this and for those of you
[36:37] Speaker 1: who don't know this story i want to say it
[36:40] Speaker 1: is in the year 1984 the uh celtics traded rick
[36:44] Speaker 1: robey to phoenix for dennis johnson And the big reason
[36:49] Speaker 1: was that Rick Robey was dragging Larry Bird down. And
[36:53] Speaker 1: so they got him out of there. They brought in
[36:54] Speaker 1: Dennis Johnson. Obviously, they want two more championships.
[36:57] Speaker 2: Right.
[36:58] Speaker 1: This is this is this is it. I totally get it.
[37:02] Speaker 1: Our problem with Luca has not been he spent too
[37:05] Speaker 1: much time hanging with nobody, right? We don't quite have
[37:10] Speaker 1: the answer to what that is. And I will just
[37:13] Speaker 1: also note that while it's not the same thing, Larry
[37:16] Speaker 1: Bird threw out his back running a jackhammer in his
[37:18] Speaker 1: own driveway, which implies not the greatest dedication to his
[37:23] Speaker 1: physical fitness for basketball.
[37:27] Speaker 2: Or just decision-making.
[37:27] Speaker 1: In a different way, right?
[37:29] Speaker 2: Not in an amazing way. Just decision-making. That's all. Just decision-making.
[37:32] Speaker 2: Not the smartest move. That's all.
[37:35] Speaker 1: You're not locked in enough on the task. Like, this
[37:39] Speaker 1: is not what it is. So maybe you're right, okay?
[37:43] Speaker 1: Maybe Luka can go and he can turn this thing
[37:46] Speaker 1: into whatever it is. I'm just saying the only one
[37:49] Speaker 1: we can be sure of is this one. This is
[37:54] Speaker 1: the chance. This is the opportunity. What we get with LeBron,
[37:57] Speaker 1: I have no idea what is going to happen. But
[38:01] Speaker 1: they do need a center. I would take old Al
[38:04] Speaker 1: Horford before I took DeAndre Ayton.
[38:09] Speaker 3: I mean, look, the question becomes, do you try to
[38:14] Speaker 3: fill all of your needs now? Or do you keep
[38:18] Speaker 3: a little powder dry, see what happens in the regular season,
[38:22] Speaker 3: and then see if you can get, I would say
[38:24] Speaker 3: see if you can get a Walker Kessler out of Utah,
[38:26] Speaker 3: but that means you got to deal with Danny Ainge. Nah,
[38:29] Speaker 3: let's just move on from there because Danny Ainge is
[38:31] Speaker 3: going to try to.
[38:32] Speaker 1: You're not going to win that trade. Nope.
[38:35] Speaker 2: Rob you for all that you got, right?
[38:38] Speaker 3: I'm a proponent of don't just go and chase bad
[38:41] Speaker 3: money just because you need to fill a position. I
[38:44] Speaker 3: am a proponent of you not coming in the training
[38:47] Speaker 3: camp with nobody there because especially on LeBron James' team,
[38:53] Speaker 3: If you have nobody there, what happens? LeBron James says,
[38:56] Speaker 3: all right, y'all, I'll do it. You can't have LeBron
[38:59] Speaker 3: doing that no more. He's not at the stage of
[39:01] Speaker 3: his career that you can do that. And the question
[39:04] Speaker 3: I have in general for LeBron and Luka Doncic, Bo,
[39:07] Speaker 3: is can you fulfill all the objectives for what Luka
[39:12] Speaker 3: Doncic needs and for what LeBron James needs all at
[39:16] Speaker 3: the same time? The only thing they both need in
[39:19] Speaker 3: conjunction is... athletic wings that can help defend because neither
[39:25] Speaker 3: one of them are equipped to do it. But LeBron
[39:27] Speaker 3: needs shooting and Luka needs vertical spacing. You can't go
[39:30] Speaker 3: get that when you get two players on super big
[39:34] Speaker 3: boy maxes. Back to your point, you can't do that
[39:37] Speaker 3: in today's league. You can't go and get mid-level exception.
[39:40] Speaker 3: And not all maxes are, when I say big boy maxes,
[39:44] Speaker 3: the rookie max, totally different.
[39:47] Speaker 2: Then the big boy max.
[39:48] Speaker 3: The big boy, that extra 5%, that extra 10% is
[39:52] Speaker 3: a huge, huge change in what you can afford and
[39:55] Speaker 3: what you cannot afford in the open market. And you
[39:58] Speaker 3: get two dudes on super big boy maxes that leaves
[40:02] Speaker 3: you next. They, bro, they make $ 100 million together on
[40:06] Speaker 3: the same team.
[40:08] Speaker 2: What are we doing?
[40:10] Speaker 1: It's tough, man. It's tough, tough, tough. But I got it.
[40:16] Speaker 1: Two things I want to hit before we get out
[40:18] Speaker 1: of here. One, both kind of quickly, but we'll get
[40:21] Speaker 1: it right. One of them is we talked about Denver.
[40:24] Speaker 1: And I think Denver did a lot by doing a
[40:27] Speaker 1: little because Denver's problem was depth. Denver's problems was depth
[40:31] Speaker 1: and an unreliability of Michael Porter Jr., which I attribute
[40:39] Speaker 1: to his body, not because there was something wrong with him.
[40:42] Speaker 1: I don't think we talked nearly enough about what it
[40:44] Speaker 1: takes for Porter to simply play basketball. All the contraptions
[40:48] Speaker 1: they got because it dropped foot and stuff like that.
[40:50] Speaker 1: They traded here for Cam Johnson. They are not the
[40:53] Speaker 1: exact same player, but they are reasonable facsimiles of one another.
[40:56] Speaker 1: And Cam Johnson is going to give them much of
[40:58] Speaker 1: what they hope to get. out of Michael Porter, right?
[41:02] Speaker 1: They got Bruce Brown. And the big one is Jonas
[41:04] Speaker 1: Valachunas gives them something they have not had, which is
[41:07] Speaker 1: an actual real live backup to Jokic because they just
[41:10] Speaker 1: get destroyed in the non-Jokic minutes. I think they back up.
[41:15] Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying they're the best team in the West,
[41:17] Speaker 1: but they back up.
[41:20] Speaker 3: I think, look at the fact that you got Cam
[41:23] Speaker 3: Johnson who shot 39% from three on seven threes a night.
[41:29] Speaker 3: and he wasn't playing with Nikola Jokic? Do you mean
[41:32] Speaker 3: to tell me what type of looks he's going to
[41:34] Speaker 3: go get? They get Tim Hardaway Jr., who's just a
[41:37] Speaker 3: capable vet? Just a capable vet. Think about it like this, Bo.
[41:42] Speaker 3: If Aaron Gordon's hamstring was not made of paper mache
[41:46] Speaker 3: a couple of months ago, they may beat the eventual
[41:50] Speaker 3: NBA champions, the 68-win NBA champions in a seven-game slugfest,
[41:56] Speaker 3: and all I needed was a second guy. All I
[41:58] Speaker 3: needed was a second dude that I could depend on
[42:02] Speaker 3: while I take on the bulk of everything else, of
[42:05] Speaker 3: all the responsibility. And you go and get me a
[42:08] Speaker 3: couple of dudes. That speaks to me and says to
[42:10] Speaker 3: me a bunch of different things. Remember how Boston won
[42:14] Speaker 3: the championship last year and everybody said, oh, Boston's going
[42:18] Speaker 3: to go on a run. And everybody in the East
[42:20] Speaker 3: just better pack up for the next couple of years
[42:22] Speaker 3: because Boston's on it. The Knicks of all teams said,
[42:25] Speaker 3: we're going to go get Carl Towns and Mikael Bridges.
[42:28] Speaker 3: And then they put the Celtics out. Mitigating circumstances, a
[42:31] Speaker 3: bunch of stuff.
[42:32] Speaker 2: You know, Chris S.
[42:32] Speaker 3: Porzingis got the cooties and all that, but they put
[42:35] Speaker 3: the Celtics out even before Jason Tatum went down with
[42:37] Speaker 3: that Achilles. Now you look at the 68-win champs and
[42:41] Speaker 3: you see Houston loading up, Denver's loading up. We can't
[42:44] Speaker 3: even talk about the Lakers or Golden State or any
[42:46] Speaker 3: of these other teams or Dallas.
[42:48] Speaker 2: Because these other teams are chasing you and chasing you
[42:53] Speaker 2: with aggression.
[42:54] Speaker 3: Denver didn't even have the resources and got back up,
[42:57] Speaker 3: making a lot out of a little. We might be
[43:00] Speaker 3: spending next June in Denver if Nikola Jokic is healthy
[43:03] Speaker 3: and that team is put together.
[43:06] Speaker 1: Look, what I don't like about this CBA, and in
[43:08] Speaker 1: line with what you just said, having the best team,
[43:12] Speaker 1: having the best player in the NBA should make you
[43:13] Speaker 1: a contender for a title.
[43:14] Speaker 3: Yes.
[43:15] Speaker 1: Yes. Like, I don't like this idea that they have
[43:18] Speaker 1: the best. He's still the best player in the NBA.
[43:21] Speaker 2: Yes.
[43:22] Speaker 1: Great job, buddy. Ain't no hating, baby. But number one
[43:24] Speaker 1: guy is still that dude over there. That should make
[43:27] Speaker 1: you a championship contender. Instead, they just did not have
[43:30] Speaker 1: the depth, right? They could not keep the guys. And
[43:33] Speaker 1: we're talking about keeping guys like Bruce Brown. You know
[43:35] Speaker 1: what I mean? Like the dudes that we're talking about
[43:37] Speaker 1: them needing to keep in order to keep it up
[43:38] Speaker 1: and they couldn't. That is what I don't like. But
[43:40] Speaker 1: I think they managed to support. I think they managed
[43:43] Speaker 1: to put enough around him to where they don't have
[43:45] Speaker 1: to run him into the ground, right? They replaced. I
[43:49] Speaker 1: was always a big Porter guy. Like I am not
[43:52] Speaker 1: a big Jamal Murray guy. I think Jamal Murray is
[43:55] Speaker 1: entirely a product of playing with Nick Aliota. And we're
[43:59] Speaker 1: going to see how it goes with him with all
[44:00] Speaker 1: these injuries and how they stack up and how he
[44:02] Speaker 1: looked when he, when instead of playing with Jokic, he
[44:04] Speaker 1: had to play with dudes from Canada. You know, it
[44:06] Speaker 1: wasn't really, it wasn't really, it wasn't really hitting the same,
[44:10] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? So we're going to see
[44:12] Speaker 1: it here. I don't want to cut, I hate to
[44:14] Speaker 1: cut that so short. I just have to, I have to,
[44:17] Speaker 1: I have to get this in. Okay. We talked on
[44:20] Speaker 1: Monday about Malik Beasley and I talked about it in
[44:22] Speaker 1: larger terms about how this gambling stuff is going to
[44:25] Speaker 1: be a thing and everything else. Just, you know, Not
[44:27] Speaker 1: kicking a dead horse because the horse is still limping around.
[44:29] Speaker 1: I'm just making sure y'all know I've been talking about
[44:31] Speaker 1: this for a minute. But the Detroit News, your alma mater,
[44:36] Speaker 1: put out a story about Malik Beasley, formerly of the
[44:38] Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons, who I don't think will be of the
[44:40] Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons. And you had not seen this, which is
[44:43] Speaker 1: disappointing because you're one of the few people who's outside
[44:46] Speaker 1: of Detroit who actually has a Detroit News subscription. And therefore,
[44:50] Speaker 1: you could have seen this article that I had to
[44:52] Speaker 1: trust snippets that came from other people. I'm going to
[44:56] Speaker 1: read you some things about who he owes money to.
[45:04] Speaker 1: And I quote, in March, Beasley was sued in Detroit's
[45:08] Speaker 1: 36th District Court for failing to pay $ 14, 150 in rent
[45:12] Speaker 1: at the Stott. The historic high-rise apartment building in downtown
[45:16] Speaker 1: Detroit is owned by Bedrock Detroit, the real estate arm
[45:19] Speaker 1: of the business empire built.
[45:21] Speaker 2: By Dan Gilbert.
[45:23] Speaker 1: Take a guess. There you go.
[45:25] Speaker 2: There you go.
[45:27] Speaker 1: That's right. So Malik Beasley owes his landlord Dan Gilbert. Okay.
[45:34] Speaker 1: I have more. Last month, Beasley was sued again by
[45:38] Speaker 1: the stock for failing to pay $ 7, 355. A hearing is
[45:41] Speaker 1: scheduled for July 15th. Oh, a couple of weeks.
[45:43] Speaker 3: Okay.
[45:43] Speaker 1: In January... A celebrity barbershop with a long roster of
[45:53] Speaker 1: NBA stars won a $ 26, 827 judgment against Beasley. The barbershop,
[46:01] Speaker 1: Cairo Cuts, operates in Milwaukee, where Beasley paid for the
[46:04] Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks from 2022 to 2024. How do you run
[46:07] Speaker 1: up a $ 27, 000 bill at the barbershop?
[46:13] Speaker 2: I was about to ask that very... Who's getting haircuts?
[46:17] Speaker 2: How many kids you got? Do you got a bunch
[46:19] Speaker 2: of kids? Y'all on a friends and family plan? You
[46:22] Speaker 2: get a haircut every day?
[46:23] Speaker 1: Hold on. I need to know this, man. If y'all
[46:27] Speaker 1: from Milwaukee, tell me about what's going on at Cairo Cuts.
[46:32] Speaker 1: Because apparently, they cutting the fuck out of heads. Tell
[46:36] Speaker 1: me what they got. Tell me what they can do
[46:38] Speaker 1: for me. Because if that's what they... $ 26, 000. Okay, but wait.
[46:44] Speaker 2: There's more?
[46:45] Speaker 1: This is where we got more. In January, a Minnesota
[46:49] Speaker 1: dentist won a $ 34, 390 default judgment against Beasley, according to
[46:55] Speaker 1: court records. The dentist, Hassan Al-Shahabi of Delicate Smiles, started
[47:01] Speaker 1: garnishing Beasley's paychecks from the Pistons in February, court records show.
[47:07] Speaker 1: The debt has not subsided. been satisfied according to court documents.
[47:11] Speaker 1: Malik Beasley has made $ 60 million in the NBA. And
[47:14] Speaker 1: my question about that garnishment is, who else is on
[47:17] Speaker 1: his check if the dentist ain't got his $ 35, 000 yet? Because,
[47:22] Speaker 1: you know, don't forget Malik Beasley also once pulled the
[47:25] Speaker 1: yap on the wife and kids, right? Or the woman
[47:27] Speaker 1: and kids. I don't know if it was the wife,
[47:29] Speaker 1: but I'm assuming he got to send checks to them. I...
[47:33] Speaker 1: Tom Havishaw would a very good thing about how let's
[47:36] Speaker 1: be careful about being sure about what they're investigating Beasley
[47:40] Speaker 1: for because he had some compelling evidence that some of
[47:42] Speaker 1: what's come up, there's reason to believe that he did
[47:44] Speaker 1: not do the things that they said. And I think
[47:46] Speaker 1: that that's all totally fair. All that stuff is totally true. However,
[47:51] Speaker 1: them clips of him trying to hurry up and cover
[47:53] Speaker 1: the spread at the end. Oh, no, no, no, no.
[47:55] Speaker 1: I see what time it is there. And I got
[47:57] Speaker 1: to be honest, if you're the Pistons, After they start
[48:00] Speaker 1: garnishing checks, y'all got to start looking at these dudes
[48:03] Speaker 1: a little bit more closely, you dig?
[48:06] Speaker 2: It's a weird thing, right? Like, you owe Dan Gilbert.
[48:10] Speaker 3: Like, that is the wild thing to me.
[48:14] Speaker 1: A man that I don't think I would want to
[48:16] Speaker 1: owe money to. I don't think he has a sense
[48:18] Speaker 1: of humor about those things.
[48:21] Speaker 3: Dan Gilbert was a former bookie at Michigan State, right?
[48:26] Speaker 3: That's not slander, right?
[48:28] Speaker 2: Right.
[48:29] Speaker 1: I hope that's right.
[48:31] Speaker 2: I hope the right time don't get sued for this.
[48:33] Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
[48:34] Speaker 3: But yeah, that's Dan. The pinky might be that man's
[48:39] Speaker 3: real name in East Lansing or something like that.
[48:41] Speaker 2: So, no, this is.
[48:44] Speaker 3: Bo, this is fascinating to me because, A, he was
[48:47] Speaker 3: about to sign three for 42. He was playing his
[48:51] Speaker 3: ass off last year. I think he came second in
[48:55] Speaker 3: threes to Anthony Edwards, who all of a sudden turned
[48:58] Speaker 3: to Klay Thompson, right? The bad thing for this is
[49:02] Speaker 3: you go back and you look at those games and
[49:05] Speaker 3: you're like, oh, yeah, he's trying to cover the spread.
[49:07] Speaker 3: Or the worst thing is, and I don't know if
[49:09] Speaker 3: you remember this, Bo, do you remember the last play
[49:12] Speaker 3: of the Pistons season last year? The very last play.
[49:16] Speaker 3: You probably don't. You remember the second to last play,
[49:18] Speaker 3: which was Jalen Brunson. The last play of the season
[49:22] Speaker 3: was a perfectly executed, out-of-bounds play to set up Malik
[49:28] Speaker 3: Beasley on the right wing for a wide-open three, which
[49:31] Speaker 3: would have tied the game and sent it to overtime.
[49:34] Speaker 1: That's right.
[49:35] Speaker 2: And he dropped the pass.
[49:37] Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that to say, oh, look at
[49:39] Speaker 3: what happened there. Because he hit six threes in the
[49:42] Speaker 3: second quarter when they were on the verge of getting
[49:43] Speaker 3: blown out. I say that to say, when stuff like
[49:47] Speaker 3: this comes up, people start becoming Twitter detectives, amateur-ass detectives,
[49:52] Speaker 3: and saying, look at that.
[49:54] Speaker 2: He threw the game.
[49:55] Speaker 3: And for me, if there is one sport that cannot
[49:59] Speaker 3: afford a scandal of integrity or of validity, it is
[50:04] Speaker 3: the NBA.
[50:05] Speaker 1: Okay.
[50:05] Speaker 3: Because every time you look up, every single team that
[50:09] Speaker 3: wins a championship, everybody points to and says, oh, man,
[50:12] Speaker 3: the league.
[50:13] Speaker 2: Wanted Oklahoma City to win.
[50:14] Speaker 3: They wanted Oklahoma City to win?
[50:18] Speaker 1: What type of crack are you smoking?
[50:20] Speaker 3: But that's what people believe with the league. Oh, the
[50:23] Speaker 3: refs wanted this to happen. The league put Scott Foster here.
[50:26] Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah.
[50:27] Speaker 3: And now you got to put the players and prop
[50:29] Speaker 3: bets and over-unders into this.
[50:32] Speaker 2: And man.
[50:33] Speaker 3: Ain't this just weird to talk about ain't even just
[50:36] Speaker 3: it's just weird to read.
[50:39] Speaker 1: Yeah and so i have this question for the league
[50:42] Speaker 1: are they going to reach a point where it's like
[50:44] Speaker 1: and there are there are jobs like this um we
[50:47] Speaker 1: got to run credit checks like can you afford to
[50:50] Speaker 1: sign a dude that owns a bunch owes a bunch
[50:51] Speaker 1: of people a bunch of money at this point in
[50:54] Speaker 1: time Because like, we're going to find out what it
[50:57] Speaker 1: comes down to with this dude. But if you want
[50:59] Speaker 1: to do just a straight line quip, we see how
[51:01] Speaker 1: it happens. We understand where these things go. Can you, again,
[51:05] Speaker 1: this dude made $ 60 million and he's apparently, I mean,
[51:10] Speaker 1: what is wrong with his teeth, by the way? I
[51:11] Speaker 1: don't think we got around to talking about that. Like,
[51:15] Speaker 1: he'd just been, you know, look, I had times where,
[51:17] Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have dental insurance. I was skipping it.
[51:19] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I got back. I ain't
[51:21] Speaker 1: have to do no $ 50, 000 worth of stuff, though. Like,
[51:23] Speaker 1: what's up with your grill, homie? What's your breath smell like?
[51:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:30] Speaker 3: I mean, I thought we, I thought we had health
[51:33] Speaker 3: insurance in the league though.
[51:35] Speaker 2: He never spent time out of the league. I don't,
[51:38] Speaker 2: as far as I, as far as I can remember.
[51:40] Speaker 1: No, but I want to say this though, and this
[51:43] Speaker 1: is very important. They investigated Terry Rozier and apparently nothing
[51:47] Speaker 1: has come up. Right. I don't, I think there's more coming.
[51:51] Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but We can't go so far
[51:54] Speaker 1: to make these assumptions about what is actually happening.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Right.
[51:58] Speaker 1: However, they're going to have to get this under control. Right.
[52:02] Speaker 1: Because what actually surprised me about that would be easily
[52:04] Speaker 1: was I felt like we had the era of these
[52:07] Speaker 1: dudes going broke is kind of gone away because they
[52:10] Speaker 1: get so caught up with people who help them take
[52:12] Speaker 1: care with their money and all that stuff so early now.
[52:15] Speaker 1: Like it's a much different world than it used to be.
[52:18] Speaker 1: Your money guy is far less likely to steal from you.
[52:21] Speaker 1: In this day and age, like, I don't think you're
[52:22] Speaker 1: going to end up with a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar type of situation.
[52:25] Speaker 2: Or Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett.
[52:28] Speaker 1: Right, right, right. The industry that surrounds this is so
[52:31] Speaker 1: much better built out. Right. And these guys make so
[52:34] Speaker 1: much money that even if they get got, they can
[52:37] Speaker 1: build the stack back up pretty quick. But clearly this dude,
[52:42] Speaker 1: he ain't got it. Like I saw somebody on Twitter
[52:45] Speaker 1: make a response on one of these and was like,
[52:46] Speaker 1: if this is only $ 100, 000, all the money he makes,
[52:49] Speaker 1: he can obviously pay this back. Obviously he, but maybe
[52:53] Speaker 1: he can, but he didn't.
[52:55] Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're getting garnished at that point,
[52:59] Speaker 3: you want to get that off. You want to get
[53:02] Speaker 3: that off of your paperwork ASAP because they're going to
[53:05] Speaker 3: take more than what someone's going to take more off
[53:09] Speaker 3: of that than what you actually owe.
[53:11] Speaker 2: So it behooves you to take care of that. It
[53:14] Speaker 2: was just unfortunate.
[53:16] Speaker 3: Like he was just going to sign a three and
[53:17] Speaker 3: 42 contract, not to say as soon as he signed
[53:20] Speaker 3: this money, everybody was going to get paid.
[53:22] Speaker 2: Like that's usually not necessarily how it works. But Bo,
[53:26] Speaker 2: what are we doing here?
[53:27] Speaker 3: Like, like you said, I thought we were out of
[53:28] Speaker 3: this era and apparently, and maybe we're not, but when
[53:32] Speaker 3: you add all those things up together and then he's
[53:34] Speaker 3: getting investigated by the feds, It removes a level of
[53:39] Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt. And that's the unfortunate thing for
[53:42] Speaker 3: him is that people will look at him and say,
[53:45] Speaker 3: you don't get benefit of the doubt anymore.
[53:48] Speaker 1: Hey man, let me ask you this. You ever had
[53:51] Speaker 1: them hop up on your check before? I ain't never
[53:57] Speaker 1: had them hop up on my check. I did once
[53:59] Speaker 1: have the state, erroneously, that's the word I'm looking for here,
[54:03] Speaker 1: erroneously hop up and scoop my whole bank account one day, boy.
[54:07] Speaker 1: That is embarrassing. Man, the motherfucker. Instead of adding, instead
[54:14] Speaker 1: of subtracting, they add it. Like, it really happened just
[54:18] Speaker 1: like that. Something that was supposed to go in one
[54:19] Speaker 1: column went in the other column. And I had to
[54:22] Speaker 1: call them because I was like, my shit was gone.
[54:23] Speaker 1: And I called the bank. Like, what's that code? And
[54:25] Speaker 1: they were like, oh, that's the state. That's the tax man.
[54:28] Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what I'm joking. There's
[54:29] Speaker 1: no money in that column. They were like, oh, damn,
[54:31] Speaker 1: my bad. We put it in column B instead of
[54:34] Speaker 1: column A. But it was Friday. I couldn't get no
[54:38] Speaker 1: money until Monday. How was you living for the weekend?
[54:45] Speaker 1: Like I used to, dog. Figuring it out. That's what
[54:49] Speaker 1: I was doing. Figuring it out. Let me tell you something.
[54:52] Speaker 1: That wasn't the first time I had no money till Monday.
[54:55] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I don't even remember what
[54:59] Speaker 1: I did. This is after I was on TV. So
[55:01] Speaker 1: I'm in the restaurant getting ready to go to Around
[55:03] Speaker 1: the Horn. I got my suit on. They know it's me.
[55:06] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And they just hopped in
[55:08] Speaker 1: and got me for my shit, right? But I can't
[55:11] Speaker 1: imagine nothing more embarrassing. I'm talking to people that's like
[55:14] Speaker 1: that when they call your job and that means there's
[55:16] Speaker 1: at least one person at your job that knows that
[55:19] Speaker 1: they hopping in and taking your bread. There's at least one.
[55:22] Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, that person, whoever handles payroll,
[55:27] Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Office manager, whoever run the checks,
[55:31] Speaker 1: they the ones that was like, hey, I don't know, man.
[55:33] Speaker 1: You see the way he dropped that pass? I don't
[55:37] Speaker 1: know if y'all know this, but uh, His dentist hopped
[55:41] Speaker 1: up in his check.
[55:45] Speaker 2: Now you're thinking about the man's grill.
[55:49] Speaker 1: Yo, man, like what is wrong with you? I mean,
[55:51] Speaker 1: apparently his grill is fine, but I ain't seen no
[55:53] Speaker 1: diamonds in that bitch. Like what is what's going on
[55:57] Speaker 1: in your mouth, dog? He can't pay the rent. He
[56:02] Speaker 1: can't pay for his teeth. And by the way, shout
[56:03] Speaker 1: out to him. You ain't got the money, but you
[56:05] Speaker 1: still take care of your teeth, man. That's teaching your
[56:08] Speaker 1: kids the right way, I suppose. The barber, and by
[56:11] Speaker 1: the way, let me tell you something, man. I'm glad
[56:13] Speaker 1: that Cairo Cuts took him to court because I don't
[56:16] Speaker 1: know about your experience with barbers and not every barber
[56:18] Speaker 1: I've had, just to be clear, but I feel like
[56:21] Speaker 1: barbers are a profession that are likely to adjudicate matters
[56:25] Speaker 1: on their own.
[56:27] Speaker 2: Fist to cuffs. If you're lucky. Or something. Hey, you
[56:34] Speaker 2: seen Belly?
[56:35] Speaker 1: I was thinking pistol cuffs.
[56:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[56:39] Speaker 1: If you want to combine the pistol and the fist
[56:41] Speaker 1: of cuffs together, that's everybody's favorite friend, the pistol whip.
[56:46] Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
[56:48] Speaker 3: Look, how much did you really owe the barber for
[56:52] Speaker 3: the barber to win that type of judgment?
[56:55] Speaker 2: Okay, because clearly.
[56:56] Speaker 3: There's legal fees and everything else, but how many haircuts
[56:59] Speaker 3: How many times do you get your hair cut? Clearly,
[57:02] Speaker 3: you get your hair cut, you get your teeth right.
[57:05] Speaker 3: How many times do you get your hair cut in Milwaukee?
[57:07] Speaker 3: Where do you have to go in Milwaukee that you
[57:10] Speaker 3: got to be fresh that often? If you're in LA,
[57:14] Speaker 3: I can swallow that.
[57:16] Speaker 1: But why did you keep cutting his hair?
[57:18] Speaker 2: That's a great point.
[57:21] Speaker 1: At some point, you're just going to have to be raggedy, homie.
[57:24] Speaker 1: great point right now granted who know I just maybe
[57:26] Speaker 1: interest racked up and that'd be the fun part too
[57:29] Speaker 1: if the barber added on his own interest like at
[57:31] Speaker 1: the at the bank at Cairo Mutual they stack that
[57:38] Speaker 1: up I have no idea but yo damn like Malik
[57:44] Speaker 1: Beasley you are officially known as the brokest ass of
[57:47] Speaker 1: the whole NBA dog that is that is.
[57:55] Speaker 3: When he comes back and plays, the trash talk will
[58:00] Speaker 3: be merciless.
[58:02] Speaker 1: I'm going to be out here with him like, hey man,
[58:04] Speaker 1: you need anything? Do you need to go get a
[58:11] Speaker 1: rebound right quick? We're getting all the boards today. We're
[58:15] Speaker 1: getting all the rebounds today. I got the over, he
[58:18] Speaker 1: got the under.
[58:19] Speaker 3: I saw somebody have the child support people Run up
[58:23] Speaker 3: on them as soon as they left the floor.
[58:28] Speaker 1: That, by the way, happens all the time. That is underrated.
[58:32] Speaker 1: I talked to one Hall of Fame caliber player talking
[58:35] Speaker 1: about somebody. They come to get you at the games
[58:37] Speaker 1: because you can't go nowhere.
[58:38] Speaker 2: Because they know where you at.
[58:41] Speaker 1: The whole game of the team figuring out how to
[58:43] Speaker 1: get the process server to another place. Yeah, that happens.
[58:48] Speaker 1: I think we may have come up with the voicemail
[58:50] Speaker 1: topic for the day. Ladies and gentlemen, that is Vinny Goodwill.
[58:52] Speaker 1: Check him out covering the NBA for Yahoo Sports. My brother,
[58:56] Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
[58:58] Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
[58:59] Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining
[59:01] Speaker 1: us here on The Right Time. We do this three
[59:03] Speaker 1: times a week, but this week, the Friday is July 4th,
[59:06] Speaker 1: so we'll be back with you on Monday. Ryan Brumley
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