# Joel Anderson on Dabo Swinney's Likable Tirade: How Nick Saban Integrated the SEC, Is Miami Football Back? | 09.19

An episode of [The Right Time with Bomani Jones](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/982639043), 19 Sep 2025, 1 h 11 min.

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Bomani Jones is joined by The Ringer's Joel Anderson. First, they discuss Dabo Swinney's press conference and debate whether or not they find the Clemson coach likable. Later, they break down how Nick Saban integrated the SEC, Black people's experience with college football fandom, & if Miami is finally back under Mario Cristobal. 00:00 - Introduction 01:00 - Is Joel a Hater? 05:00 - Has Dabo become likable? 18:53 - Can Kirby keep up his success? 22:40 - How Nick Saban integrated the SEC 32:20 - Black College Football fandom 48:00 - How Alabama integrated college football 57:50 - Is Miami back? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
[0:09] Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening. Wherever you
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[0:20] Speaker 1: of today's guests coming to us live from the ranger tailgate,
[0:24] Speaker 1: a new podcast, college football with a bad Latham over
[0:27] Speaker 1: there at the ranger. Joel Anderson was going on.
[0:30] Speaker 2: I don't like that. the reputation I'm getting as a hater.
[0:35] Speaker 2: Because you know how like on reality shows, how someone
[0:41] Speaker 2: doesn't realize they're being portrayed as a villain until they
[0:44] Speaker 2: come back home and then they're like, oh man, everybody
[0:47] Speaker 2: hated me. So then they come back to the reunion
[0:49] Speaker 2: show all mad. And that's me because this is not fair.
[0:52] Speaker 2: I'm a lover, not a hater. I would even say
[0:56] Speaker 2: that I'm a romantic, but people are like, dog, what
[0:59] Speaker 2: you're doing, What.
[1:01] Speaker 3: You're doing to my reputation?
[1:03] Speaker 1: What you're doing.
[1:04] Speaker 3: I feel like my words, people are taking my words
[1:09] Speaker 3: out of context. What?
[1:12] Speaker 2: Because people will be in comments on YouTube or Instagram
[1:17] Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh, Joel being a hater again.
[1:18] Speaker 3: And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm not
[1:21] Speaker 3: a hater. I'm a lover.
[1:23] Speaker 1: First of all, this is not like the reality shows
[1:26] Speaker 1: where you don't realize you're the villain until you get
[1:27] Speaker 1: home because I be telling you.
[1:29] Speaker 3: That's number one.
[1:30] Speaker 1: Number two, I remember when I posted the pictures, when
[1:33] Speaker 1: I went to Taylor's wedding and I was in the
[1:36] Speaker 1: tux and immediately people were like, where Joel at hating?
[1:41] Speaker 1: And guess who was in the comments hating?
[1:43] Speaker 2: And see, the thing was, it wasn't hate. I was
[1:45] Speaker 2: saying you looked like a pastor, which is not hate.
[1:48] Speaker 3: No, no.
[1:49] Speaker 1: That was when I went to Trey's wedding. When I
[1:52] Speaker 1: was at Taylor's wedding, it was in the tux and
[1:54] Speaker 1: they was like, where Joel at hating? And you would
[1:56] Speaker 1: immediately say that that would be the other picture in
[1:59] Speaker 1: a funeral program, all I'm telling you is this. People
[2:03] Speaker 1: expect it from you and you do it.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Nah, I just, again, I feel like they're extrapolating a
[2:09] Speaker 2: lot from our relationship, our particular dynamic.
[2:13] Speaker 3: No, no, no. Again, I don't like that.
[2:16] Speaker 2: You know when I first started dating my wife and
[2:21] Speaker 2: her and her friends called me Compassion Anderson because I
[2:23] Speaker 2: was just a compassionate person. I really have a lot
[2:26] Speaker 2: of love for the world.
[2:27] Speaker 3: I'm a wanderer. A romantic.
[2:30] Speaker 2: I don't, you know, the hater label does not suit me. Now,
[2:33] Speaker 2: there are people I hate. There are things I do
[2:35] Speaker 2: not like.
[2:36] Speaker 1: John, you're the most vengeful person I've ever met in
[2:38] Speaker 1: my life.
[2:40] Speaker 3: How could that ever be? I haven't even done nothing
[2:41] Speaker 3: to nobody, man.
[2:43] Speaker 1: Would you like to?
[2:44] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's what makes me, you know,
[2:49] Speaker 3: I think that actually, you know what it is?
[2:53] Speaker 1: It's your greatest achievement coming when you was 10 years old.
[2:58] Speaker 3: See, if you all are looking at this, who's the
[3:01] Speaker 3: one who's hated so far?
[3:02] Speaker 1: For those who don't know, Joel was the fastest 10-year-old
[3:05] Speaker 1: in America. Just so we're clear, it was a pretty
[3:07] Speaker 1: stupendous feat.
[3:09] Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, I was talking about
[3:10] Speaker 2: this with somebody the other day. I'm like, so I'm
[3:14] Speaker 2: 47 years old now. What difference does it make if
[3:17] Speaker 2: you were great.
[3:18] Speaker 3: At 18 years?
[3:18] Speaker 2: 23 or 10, you should be able to talk about
[3:22] Speaker 2: their accomplishments. Like when you were the best or you
[3:24] Speaker 2: were great at something at any age prior to the
[3:27] Speaker 2: age you are now, it should be something you're proud of.
[3:31] Speaker 2: And people make fun of me for talking about being
[3:33] Speaker 2: the fastest 10 year old in the country, but okay, great.
[3:35] Speaker 2: I was, you were a five-star recruit when you were
[3:38] Speaker 2: 17 years old. Well, you 43 years old now.
[3:40] Speaker 3: So, okay. We can all move on.
[3:41] Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. As if we don't make fun of them,
[3:44] Speaker 1: Al Bundy types also like, like you just, uh, You
[3:48] Speaker 1: a different brand to Al Bundy. It's cool. It's cool. Hey, man.
[3:51] Speaker 3: I was good in high school, too.
[3:53] Speaker 1: Hold on. I know, man. Four touchdowns. Not in a
[3:56] Speaker 1: whole season. In one game.
[4:00] Speaker 3: One game?
[4:01] Speaker 1: That is, by the way, one of the greatest running
[4:03] Speaker 1: gags in the history of television is Al Bundy's four
[4:05] Speaker 1: touchdowns in one game. I love it.
[4:07] Speaker 3: Poka. Poka.
[4:08] Speaker 1: Poka.
[4:09] Speaker 2: I always say, though, if you had ever scored four
[4:11] Speaker 2: touchdowns in one game, you'd understand why you'd be talking
[4:13] Speaker 2: about 30 years later.
[4:15] Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I wish I had scored. Like,
[4:16] Speaker 1: if If I scored four touchdowns in one game, and
[4:21] Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's because I'm from Texas, so what
[4:23] Speaker 1: it means to compete at high school football at a
[4:26] Speaker 1: high level in my brain maybe means something a little
[4:28] Speaker 1: bit different. But if I scored four touchdowns in a
[4:30] Speaker 1: varsity football game, you'd hear about me.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So people were hating on Al,
[4:37] Speaker 2: but now I've kind of come to understand. I was like,
[4:39] Speaker 2: oh man, he need to pop his shit. Don't let
[4:41] Speaker 2: people forget.
[4:43] Speaker 1: The fastest 10-year-old in America would be able to relate. Hey, buddy,
[4:47] Speaker 1: I got to run something by you right quick. We're
[4:48] Speaker 1: going a little bit too long talking about this other
[4:50] Speaker 1: stuff when we got all this good college football that
[4:53] Speaker 1: we can talk about.
[4:54] Speaker 3: I'm curious. Where are you?
[4:57] Speaker 1: I find myself evolving on this, but in the year
[4:59] Speaker 1: of our Lord, 2025, where are you on that boy Dabo?
[5:06] Speaker 2: So I think that Dabo, I don't feel sorry for
[5:12] Speaker 2: him is not the word. but I look at him
[5:14] Speaker 2: like a man who is rapidly out of place in
[5:20] Speaker 2: the current environment in which he works, right? Like he
[5:23] Speaker 2: just is no longer, he's like, honestly, I don't feel
[5:25] Speaker 2: sorry for Mike Gundy, but it's sort of similar to
[5:27] Speaker 2: Mike Gundy. I'm just like, oh, like you're just not
[5:29] Speaker 2: built for this particular era of college football and people
[5:34] Speaker 2: want to hold you accountable for that.
[5:35] Speaker 3: And you're understandably being like, what have y'all done before me? Like,
[5:40] Speaker 3: who are y'all? You know, like, who are y'all? Who
[5:43] Speaker 3: are you to judge me?
[5:44] Speaker 2: You can go back to being, they used to say
[5:46] Speaker 2: Clemsoning was a thing that people used to say about us. Like,
[5:49] Speaker 2: is that what y'all want back? But that's not really
[5:52] Speaker 2: what people are talking about. They're just like, hey man,
[5:54] Speaker 2: could you embrace the portal a little bit more? Could
[5:57] Speaker 2: you do the NIL thing a little bit more? Could
[5:59] Speaker 2: you be more excited about that stuff and get us
[6:01] Speaker 2: back to the level we were at?
[6:03] Speaker 3: But yeah, I felt sorry. What about you? Because please
[6:05] Speaker 3: don't tell me that you're warming to this dude.
[6:09] Speaker 1: I am.
[6:10] Speaker 3: Come on, man. You getting old. You getting old.
[6:12] Speaker 1: No, it's not even this. Actually, Dabo did things at
[6:16] Speaker 1: the time when everybody like super duper hated Dabo that
[6:19] Speaker 1: made me be like, you know what? I'm with you there, right?
[6:23] Speaker 1: And so the first time I looked up at something
[6:26] Speaker 1: that Dabo did and I was like, huh. And I
[6:30] Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. I think it was 2015.
[6:33] Speaker 1: And Deion Kane was a freshman receiver on that team.
[6:38] Speaker 1: And Deion Kane was really good. and he failed a
[6:42] Speaker 1: drug test, and so he did not play in the
[6:44] Speaker 1: Orange Bowl, which I believe was the Orange Bowl, the
[6:46] Speaker 1: semifinal game there, right? He was eligible to come back
[6:50] Speaker 1: for the championship game, and Dabo did not put him
[6:53] Speaker 1: back in. Now, I think it is preposterous, assuming that
[6:58] Speaker 1: the drug in question was marijuana, I think it is
[7:00] Speaker 1: preposterous the idea that they were even testing for it,
[7:03] Speaker 1: the idea that he would misgame the first or anything. Like,
[7:06] Speaker 1: that's how I view things. I have a respect for
[7:10] Speaker 1: the fact that even in the face of his own self-interest,
[7:14] Speaker 1: Dabo believes that that's the devil's lettuce that you out
[7:18] Speaker 1: here smoking. And with the option of being like, but oh, well,
[7:22] Speaker 1: we're going to bring you back.
[7:22] Speaker 3: No.
[7:24] Speaker 1: His principle belief is that you should not be playing, right?
[7:28] Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but I gotta appreciate a
[7:31] Speaker 1: man that stood on his square in that moment when
[7:35] Speaker 1: most of us would have absolutely found ways to do
[7:38] Speaker 1: gymnastics around it, right? I think I find very often
[7:42] Speaker 1: that I can ride with somebody with whom I don't
[7:45] Speaker 1: agree when it becomes clear to me that they mean
[7:48] Speaker 1: that shit that they talking about, right? And I think
[7:51] Speaker 1: that the way in which he meant it in that
[7:53] Speaker 1: case was probably something that was a little bit positive.
[7:55] Speaker 1: But it made me have to be like, OK, I
[7:58] Speaker 1: see where you're coming from. Right. I see that you
[8:01] Speaker 1: believe some of these things that you are actually saying. Right.
[8:05] Speaker 1: So for now, the portal thing, for example, I think
[8:09] Speaker 1: that allowing players to transfer. and play immediately was something
[8:14] Speaker 1: that they ultimately had to do because of the mobility
[8:17] Speaker 1: between coaches. But I also believe is something that is very,
[8:20] Speaker 1: very bad for the overall health of college football. I
[8:23] Speaker 1: don't think, and that I don't think is nearly as
[8:26] Speaker 1: beneficial to the players as we would like to think
[8:29] Speaker 1: it is, right? Everybody in this country has the right
[8:31] Speaker 1: to make bad decisions. And so you have to allow
[8:34] Speaker 1: them to make those bad decisions, but we are making
[8:36] Speaker 1: it easier for bad decisions to be made. For him
[8:39] Speaker 1: to make the call of, I want to build my team,
[8:42] Speaker 1: I want it to be us. I want this to
[8:44] Speaker 1: be continuous. I want us to have a unit. Right.
[8:48] Speaker 1: And I don't just want to be out here playing
[8:50] Speaker 1: free agent football. Everything that he said before about how
[8:54] Speaker 1: he did not want to coach a college football team.
[8:57] Speaker 1: I feel like he is demonstrating that. No, I told
[8:59] Speaker 1: you this isn't what I want to do. This isn't
[9:02] Speaker 1: how I think it should be done. And I'm going
[9:03] Speaker 1: to try to win this in the way that. I
[9:07] Speaker 1: want to win it. I have a respect for the
[9:09] Speaker 1: fact that he's doing that. Now what works against him
[9:13] Speaker 1: obviously is he had one of the great runs in
[9:16] Speaker 1: the history of college football at Clemson with the Sean Watson,
[9:20] Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence years, right? Like it really, really goes into that,
[9:23] Speaker 1: that particular time period.
[9:25] Speaker 3: Okay.
[9:26] Speaker 1: Um, he exceeded what any of us ever thought was
[9:28] Speaker 1: possible at the job that he has. Um, I don't
[9:32] Speaker 1: think that level of success that we're discussing is possible
[9:34] Speaker 1: again at that job. Yeah. But nonetheless, he did what
[9:38] Speaker 1: seemed impossible. He made it happen. Now people want that again.
[9:43] Speaker 1: And he could get addicted to the we're going to
[9:46] Speaker 1: be top three every year and do all the things.
[9:49] Speaker 1: That ain't the way he wants to do the things.
[9:51] Speaker 1: I get you if you're a fan and you don't
[9:53] Speaker 1: like the fact that that's not what he wants to do.
[9:55] Speaker 1: But I admit that I respect somebody standing on his
[9:58] Speaker 1: square about it when I think that in this context,
[10:01] Speaker 1: the square he's standing on is not a bad one.
[10:06] Speaker 1: I think it is, at the very least, morally defensible.
[10:11] Speaker 2: I disagree with him and his approach to this, but
[10:16] Speaker 2: I think the thing for me is that that is
[10:19] Speaker 2: not his job. Like he gets to hold that job, right?
[10:22] Speaker 2: Like that is a job that he has temporarily, but
[10:24] Speaker 2: the job doesn't belong to Dabo Sweeney. It belongs to Clemson,
[10:28] Speaker 2: the athletic department and the board of regents and whoever else.
[10:31] Speaker 3: And the job is what it is.
[10:34] Speaker 2: If, if, if he had brought in a recruit and
[10:38] Speaker 2: they were like, well, you know, we're, you know, there's
[10:41] Speaker 2: this whole new outfit, you know, there's a whole new
[10:43] Speaker 2: style of offense going on.
[10:44] Speaker 3: He's like, but nah, man, I want to run a wishbone.
[10:46] Speaker 2: You know, the kid would be like, no, man, when
[10:49] Speaker 2: this recruit comes in, no, you got to play the
[10:50] Speaker 2: way that I tell you to play. Like, this is
[10:52] Speaker 2: what it takes to compete right now. And that's basically
[10:54] Speaker 2: what he's doing. He's like not doing what the job
[10:57] Speaker 2: calls for now. And if you don't want to do that,
[10:59] Speaker 2: that's fine. But you need to do that somewhere else then.
[11:02] Speaker 3: Right.
[11:03] Speaker 2: Because that again, the job belongs to the school, not
[11:06] Speaker 2: Dabo Swinney. And he seems to believe that I'm Dabo Swinney.
[11:11] Speaker 3: This job belongs to me.
[11:13] Speaker 1: Which for what it's worth. a reasonable position to take
[11:19] Speaker 1: if you're dabble.
[11:20] Speaker 3: Sweating i understand why he believes.
[11:23] Speaker 1: That right i mean that's all i'm saying like i
[11:25] Speaker 1: think when he got up there the other day it
[11:27] Speaker 1: was like y'all want to get me out here cool
[11:29] Speaker 1: but y'all tired of winning i was like hey baby.
[11:31] Speaker 3: I'm not even mad at you you know what i call.
[11:33] Speaker 1: It like all this winning we've been doing y'all.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Don't want no more of that winning you know what
[11:37] Speaker 2: that's the old the old nolan richardson You know, when
[11:40] Speaker 2: you're dead under fire.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. He didn't say that, right?
[11:44] Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
[11:45] Speaker 1: Nolan got us there. They can give me my money
[11:49] Speaker 1: and I'll leave tomorrow.
[11:51] Speaker 3: You're like, okay, get your black ass out here then.
[11:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, Dabble, I don't, I don't think that
[12:01] Speaker 1: we truly give him enough credit for being the outlier
[12:06] Speaker 1: that he has been in working at that job. I
[12:09] Speaker 1: don't think we do.
[12:11] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, what else is he supposed to get?
[12:13] Speaker 2: People say that he's great. He's won a couple of championships.
[12:17] Speaker 1: But hold on, how great, when you say that people
[12:19] Speaker 1: say that he's great, I, I, he's the best coach
[12:23] Speaker 1: in the history of Clemson. He's, I mean, I think that's, that,
[12:26] Speaker 1: that's a no brainer, right? I think we underestimate winning
[12:32] Speaker 1: two championships in three years. and going to three or
[12:36] Speaker 1: four national championship games, he went to four national championship
[12:39] Speaker 1: games at Clemson. Again, at Clemson. Schools do not rise
[12:47] Speaker 1: above their previous level very often, let alone do so consistently.
[12:52] Speaker 1: You don't even remember that time that your little school
[12:54] Speaker 1: went to the national championship game, that little blip, you
[12:56] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? That just like, it doesn't work
[12:58] Speaker 1: that way. This dude and what he pulled off I
[13:03] Speaker 1: think is far more of a historic accomplishment than we
[13:07] Speaker 1: give it credit. He has as many national championships as
[13:10] Speaker 1: Bobby Bowden. We do not think of Dabo Swinney in
[13:12] Speaker 1: the context of Bobby Bowden. Now granted, Bobby Bowden had
[13:14] Speaker 1: 14 years in the row in the top five, but
[13:16] Speaker 1: we still don't, I still think that pulling that off
[13:19] Speaker 1: at Clemson is a lot harder than it was to
[13:20] Speaker 1: do what Bobby Bowden did at Florida State.
[13:24] Speaker 2: Yeah i guess well i mean man you know florida
[13:26] Speaker 2: state used to be like a teacher's college right like
[13:28] Speaker 2: it was a girl it was a woman's school once
[13:30] Speaker 2: upon a time.
[13:30] Speaker 1: Yeah but joe but joe we know we know what
[13:32] Speaker 1: bobby did it wasn't genius yeah.
[13:34] Speaker 2: It it would right of course but i guess i'm
[13:38] Speaker 2: trying to think i mean again i i i agree
[13:40] Speaker 2: with you that i guess i just don't agree that
[13:43] Speaker 2: dabo deserves any more credit than he's earned like i
[13:46] Speaker 2: felt like you know, I think some of that is
[13:48] Speaker 2: that he's not been there long enough to be on
[13:50] Speaker 2: the all times when all time wins listing.
[13:53] Speaker 3: Right.
[13:53] Speaker 2: Like, I think that matters because that that's what elevated
[13:56] Speaker 2: Bobby and Joe pie. Like they were there for, you know, 30,
[13:59] Speaker 2: 40 years or whatever, and they got to be high
[14:01] Speaker 2: up on those charts. And so people got sort of
[14:03] Speaker 2: familiar with them in that role. But I also think
[14:06] Speaker 2: that like, what is, you know, he is responsible for
[14:10] Speaker 2: the ways people sort of regard him, right? Like he
[14:12] Speaker 2: sort of played himself off as kind of the, You know, well,
[14:15] Speaker 2: I'm just Dabo, blah, blah, blah. You know, he doesn't
[14:17] Speaker 2: like hold himself out like he's some sort of coaching mastermind.
[14:21] Speaker 2: And so I think people are treating him accordingly.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Well, neither did Bobby Bowden.
[14:25] Speaker 3: Right. I don't think people do.
[14:26] Speaker 2: People think Bobby Bowden is a coaching master.
[14:27] Speaker 1: No, but Bobby Bowden is absolutely regarded as a coaching legend.
[14:32] Speaker 1: And I don't think that Sweeney and maybe it'll take
[14:35] Speaker 1: a while before people can like, look, here's the thing
[14:38] Speaker 1: I will say about Dabo. I was there for the
[14:41] Speaker 1: early Dabo days. That old takes exposed dude used to
[14:43] Speaker 1: go find all my old Dabo tweets. And I'm like,
[14:46] Speaker 1: were you watching that game? oh yeah it looked like
[14:48] Speaker 1: he had no idea like he does have a gomer
[14:51] Speaker 1: pile sort of vibe right that's the thing yeah it
[14:53] Speaker 1: seemed like he but all those things being the case
[14:56] Speaker 1: i get why and look that's part of why people
[14:59] Speaker 1: i don't part of why people quit that job at
[15:01] Speaker 1: alabama is that nothing you did is ever good enough
[15:04] Speaker 1: right right but this ain't alabama dog right like this
[15:07] Speaker 1: ain't i feel like every and we talk one of
[15:09] Speaker 1: the best things about college football is every job has
[15:11] Speaker 1: different levels every job has different expectations right It is
[15:16] Speaker 1: fascinating that this job, just because they beat Alabama a
[15:19] Speaker 1: couple times, they seem to be under the impression that they, too,
[15:23] Speaker 1: are Alabama.
[15:24] Speaker 2: They think they're a blue blood, and that's just not
[15:26] Speaker 2: how it is, and that's how it's going to work.
[15:28] Speaker 2: You know, also, real quick, Davo is 55 years old.
[15:31] Speaker 3: He sure is. Good-looking dude, you know, for his age.
[15:34] Speaker 1: Well, he was also younger when he started that job
[15:36] Speaker 1: than I realized.
[15:36] Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think that— I wonder if that's also sort
[15:39] Speaker 3: of a part of it.
[15:40] Speaker 2: Like, a lot of his— theoretically— a lot of his coaching
[15:45] Speaker 2: resume is still yet to be done yet, right? Although,
[15:49] Speaker 2: you know, it seems like the way things are headed,
[15:51] Speaker 2: there used to be a time when we were growing up,
[15:53] Speaker 2: coaches were retiring in their 60s.
[15:55] Speaker 3: You know, like Grant Taft and Spike Yikes. You know, people,
[15:57] Speaker 3: they would just leave. They wouldn't coach until the 70s.
[15:59] Speaker 1: Wait, Darryl Royal left at 51?
[16:00] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[16:01] Speaker 2: You know, man, when you were talking about the Cowboys
[16:03] Speaker 2: documentary and people were talking about, oh, man, you know,
[16:07] Speaker 2: I thought Tom Landry was like 90 years old, you know,
[16:09] Speaker 2: the way people talked about him.
[16:10] Speaker 3: And he was in his mid-60s when he.
[16:12] Speaker 2: Left the game. And so that's just kind of how,
[16:14] Speaker 2: you know, it used to be. People seem older, but
[16:17] Speaker 2: like Dabo is sort of a young guy and people
[16:18] Speaker 2: have this expectation that he's going to be coaching for
[16:20] Speaker 2: a long time. And so people may look at this
[16:22] Speaker 2: and say, well, that was sort of a historical blip.
[16:24] Speaker 2: The coach that you actually are is this nine and
[16:27] Speaker 2: three guy who struggles to adapt to the changing times.
[16:30] Speaker 2: Like you got you caught lightning in a bottle. But now,
[16:33] Speaker 2: you know, you have the rest of your career to
[16:36] Speaker 2: to live up to that level. And I mean, it's
[16:37] Speaker 2: a frustrating part.
[16:39] Speaker 1: Would we then say that about Darryl Royal? They had
[16:41] Speaker 1: that 30 game winning streak when they brought to wishbone
[16:43] Speaker 1: out there, right? That is a significant part of the legend.
[16:47] Speaker 1: And then he went out on five straight terrible losses
[16:51] Speaker 1: to Barry Switzer. I don't think we look back and
[16:54] Speaker 1: say that what you really were was this other thing
[16:57] Speaker 1: after this thing flipped up, right?
[16:59] Speaker 2: Who do you think is the greatest coach in Texas?
[17:01] Speaker 2: Do you think it's Mack Brown or do you think
[17:02] Speaker 2: it's Darryl Royal?
[17:04] Speaker 1: I think you probably have a better argument for Royal
[17:06] Speaker 1: than you have for Mack.
[17:07] Speaker 3: Okay.
[17:10] Speaker 1: So the tricky part in evaluating that obviously is the
[17:13] Speaker 1: whole race thing.
[17:14] Speaker 3: Right. Right.
[17:16] Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly whose vote it was to
[17:18] Speaker 1: decide to stay in the Stone Age as long as
[17:20] Speaker 1: that program. I mean, Texas was the last team to
[17:22] Speaker 1: win a national championship with number white players. Like, I
[17:24] Speaker 1: don't I don't know that part. Mack was the first
[17:27] Speaker 1: coach at Texas to have like a fully integrated team.
[17:30] Speaker 1: And it's a lot underachieving that went on there and
[17:36] Speaker 1: also the best team in the history of the school. Right.
[17:37] Speaker 3: Right. Also, yeah.
[17:39] Speaker 2: I mean, I think some of that is it. And
[17:42] Speaker 2: I think this is kind of what Dabo is laboring under.
[17:46] Speaker 2: Because Nick Saban did it. I mean, we see this
[17:49] Speaker 2: in other things, too. Because Tom Brady did it. Because
[17:52] Speaker 2: LeBron did it. We're seeing longevity and greatness in ways
[17:57] Speaker 2: that we just never saw before. People get to be
[17:59] Speaker 2: great and have these amazing runs for so long.
[18:01] Speaker 3: Things that are basically unprecedented in the history of sports.
[18:05] Speaker 3: And they think that that's just the way things are
[18:06] Speaker 3: supposed to be. And so like you, you, you're right.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Like Clemson fans are looking at Dabo and they're just like, well, man,
[18:12] Speaker 2: Nick Saban won a seven national championships. Why can't you
[18:16] Speaker 2: be doing that? But the thing is, everybody's trying to
[18:18] Speaker 2: do that. Like college football is extremely competitive. You're only
[18:21] Speaker 2: probably going to win one or two. Like you said,
[18:23] Speaker 2: Bobby Bowden only won two. The reason he only won
[18:25] Speaker 2: two is sometimes he underachieved, but also it's really hard, man.
[18:29] Speaker 2: And especially the way they used to do college football,
[18:31] Speaker 2: where it's like one loss would do me one bad
[18:34] Speaker 2: Saturday would doom you forever. So, um, I just wonder
[18:38] Speaker 2: if like, you know, Dabo is laboring under these unrealistic
[18:41] Speaker 2: expectations that we place on people that we that have
[18:44] Speaker 2: experienced some greatness. And we think, oh, they're supposed to
[18:46] Speaker 2: be doing this over and over and over again. And
[18:48] Speaker 2: that's just not really the way things work in coaching
[18:51] Speaker 2: or sports or anything.
[18:52] Speaker 1: Up next, Kirby Spark. He's the next guy. Hey, look, man.
[19:00] Speaker 1: Georgia is another program that we could argue was a
[19:03] Speaker 1: bit of a historical underachiever.
[19:05] Speaker 3: Absolutely, it is.
[19:06] Speaker 1: The landscape. Now, the Georgia as a state that exists
[19:10] Speaker 1: now is different than the Georgia that existed as a state,
[19:13] Speaker 1: you could argue, when Vince Dooley had the job. And actually,
[19:17] Speaker 1: I think that is maybe the most interesting thing about
[19:20] Speaker 1: this program, that the job that Vince Dooley had is
[19:23] Speaker 1: much different than the job Mark Rick had. And the
[19:26] Speaker 1: job Mark Rick took... is much different than the job
[19:30] Speaker 1: that Kirby Smart now has, right? And look, that program
[19:35] Speaker 1: still do weird things. Charles McDonald and I talked about this.
[19:38] Speaker 1: Hadn't had a black quarterback in the last 20 years,
[19:40] Speaker 1: for example.
[19:41] Speaker 3: Was the last one DJ Shaka?
[19:43] Speaker 1: DJ Shaka was the last one. And I'm trying to think,
[19:46] Speaker 1: Quincy Carter was the one before him.
[19:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, Quincy Carter, man.
[19:49] Speaker 1: Before him. I think it was some boy that was
[19:51] Speaker 1: running the bone. You know? That's where I think that was.
[19:55] Speaker 1: But with Georgia, Georgia is achieving in a way where
[19:59] Speaker 1: all things held equal. You can make an argument that
[20:03] Speaker 1: year in, year out, Georgia and LSU should be the
[20:07] Speaker 1: two best schools in the SEC year in, year out.
[20:10] Speaker 1: If you hold all these other things equal, they are Georgia.
[20:14] Speaker 3: Even with Texas in there now.
[20:15] Speaker 1: Yes, because, okay, Georgia is in effect the only game
[20:21] Speaker 1: in town in the state of Georgia. Yes, Georgia Tech
[20:23] Speaker 1: is there, but you got to pass. You got to
[20:27] Speaker 1: take calculus. You know what I'm saying? You got a
[20:30] Speaker 1: whole football team that's good at math. Good luck with that.
[20:33] Speaker 1: LSU is the only game in town there. Um, where
[20:37] Speaker 1: I always say the trick bag about Texas is that
[20:40] Speaker 1: I've thought about more and more as, as the years
[20:42] Speaker 1: go on is that Texas is now because of the
[20:46] Speaker 1: money able to get guys from these other places. But
[20:49] Speaker 1: the truth is the only players that geographically live close
[20:53] Speaker 1: to the university of Texas are from Texas. It's the
[20:56] Speaker 1: same way with Texas A & M. Now they found
[21:00] Speaker 1: some market inefficiencies, for example, No player from the state
[21:04] Speaker 1: of Arizona wants to stay in Arizona. They all leave.
[21:07] Speaker 1: It is the craziest thing. I don't know if this
[21:08] Speaker 1: has changed in the last couple of years, but go
[21:10] Speaker 1: pull up a rock. Like B. John Robinson, I want
[21:13] Speaker 1: to say went to high school in Tucson and wouldn't
[21:14] Speaker 1: even go visit.
[21:15] Speaker 3: Wow, man.
[21:16] Speaker 1: At the University of Arizona. You know what I mean?
[21:18] Speaker 1: So like in Texas, you can really only recruit players
[21:21] Speaker 1: from Texas and you're going to get some of them, right? Right.
[21:25] Speaker 1: At LSU.
[21:27] Speaker 3: At LSU.
[21:29] Speaker 1: You're basically getting every good player from Louisiana. And you
[21:32] Speaker 1: can go a little bit over there and get some
[21:33] Speaker 1: Texas boys. And you can go over there and get
[21:36] Speaker 1: some boys from Alabama and from Mississippi. You see what
[21:40] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[21:41] Speaker 2: LSU is so spoiled that they were still mad at
[21:46] Speaker 2: Joe McKnight, God rest his soul. Just because he had
[21:49] Speaker 2: the nerve to turn them down and go to USC.
[21:52] Speaker 1: And they are so spoiled that it makes you forget
[21:57] Speaker 1: That they are a plus minus nine and a half
[22:03] Speaker 1: win program. With a couple of blips.
[22:08] Speaker 2: Man, I wish my co-host Van Lathan was here so
[22:14] Speaker 2: we could jump him together. Because I'd be telling him,
[22:17] Speaker 2: hey man, LSU doesn't have a right to sit up
[22:19] Speaker 2: here and talk to people. you know, with a lot
[22:21] Speaker 2: of bass in their voice. Because when I was growing up,
[22:24] Speaker 2: if Texas A & M beat LSU on a Saturday,
[22:26] Speaker 2: it'd be like, okay, that's about right.
[22:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. They should beat LSU.
[22:31] Speaker 2: Like nobody, until Nick Saban showed up, nobody was scared
[22:35] Speaker 2: of LSU or anything like that.
[22:37] Speaker 1: It was insane. But Nick Saban, Nick Saban is their
[22:40] Speaker 1: Mack Brown, right? Is their Bobby Bowden? Is their Stellenberger
[22:45] Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson? Which is to say, hey man, you see
[22:48] Speaker 1: all these black dudes over here? They might want to
[22:52] Speaker 1: play for us.
[22:53] Speaker 2: Bo, this is the one time we're going to get along.
[22:57] Speaker 2: I'm going to have to ask you to come on
[22:59] Speaker 2: to the show and have this fight with me, with Van,
[23:02] Speaker 2: because I told him, I was like, in a manner
[23:04] Speaker 2: of speaking, Nick Saban sort of integrated the SEC, but
[23:07] Speaker 2: certainly like the LSU.
[23:09] Speaker 3: I'm not meaning literally, but I'm like, yo. Functionally. Yeah, functionally,
[23:13] Speaker 3: like the number of guys, they started getting the people
[23:16] Speaker 3: they were supposed to get.
[23:17] Speaker 2: Like all the bad feelings that people had, are the
[23:20] Speaker 2: generations of people that had to go to Southern and
[23:22] Speaker 2: Grambling instead of LSU. Once LSU seemed like a viable option,
[23:26] Speaker 2: they started going and Nick Saban tapped into all that, right?
[23:31] Speaker 1: I have talked to my good buddy, Marcus Spears, about this.
[23:35] Speaker 1: And Marcus Spears was in that LSU freshman class in 2001.
[23:39] Speaker 1: That's the first full Saban class and the one that
[23:42] Speaker 1: begins what we're talking about. And for those of you
[23:43] Speaker 1: who don't know, Marcus Spears was like the number one
[23:46] Speaker 1: tight end in America. Like he was a.
[23:49] Speaker 3: Serious tight end, by the way, too.
[23:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a you know,
[23:53] Speaker 1: he was a hooper, too.
[23:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's right.
[23:55] Speaker 1: Like, like he was a spectacular athlete. Like, like that's,
[23:58] Speaker 1: that was the thing, but he was, he was that guy. Um,
[24:02] Speaker 1: and he is from Baton Rouge. He went to Southern
[24:05] Speaker 1: university lab high school, which is what it sounds like
[24:07] Speaker 1: the high school on the campus of Southern. And he
[24:11] Speaker 1: told me, we sat in the old huddle room at
[24:13] Speaker 1: the seaport and he was like, man, what I knew
[24:17] Speaker 1: was Southern. I knew SU. Like the idea of going
[24:20] Speaker 1: to LSU was not something that he immediately was like,
[24:24] Speaker 1: hell yeah, that's what we about to do. That's not it.
[24:27] Speaker 1: So if you go look at, look, even the Saban era,
[24:30] Speaker 1: it's like a plus minus 9.5 win time. The Les
[24:35] Speaker 1: Miles era, which we have to remember was a lot
[24:38] Speaker 1: longer than the Saban era. And good gracious, was that fun?
[24:40] Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.
[24:42] Speaker 3: We miss it, man. We miss it, man.
[24:44] Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But look, This is the Nick Saban, I mean,
[24:46] Speaker 1: the Les Miles run. Two loss, two loss, two loss,
[24:50] Speaker 1: five loss, four loss, two loss, one loss, three loss,
[24:53] Speaker 1: three loss, five loss, three loss. That's like a plus
[24:56] Speaker 1: or minus nine and a half. I mean, they won
[24:58] Speaker 1: a national championship with two losses.
[25:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Yeah, that's right. With 2007, right? Yep. Yep.
[25:04] Speaker 1: But they're like a plus nine and a half. Let
[25:05] Speaker 1: me think of some other programs that I think, generally speaking,
[25:08] Speaker 1: Texas is like a plus minus nine and a half.
[25:12] Speaker 1: win program.
[25:12] Speaker 3: That's the thing. See, this is what I'm saying.
[25:14] Speaker 2: Like everybody sort of gets it in their head that
[25:16] Speaker 2: the great run that they had is a thing that is,
[25:19] Speaker 2: should always be happening. But everybody out there, most schools
[25:23] Speaker 2: with the exception of like Ohio state. And I guess
[25:27] Speaker 2: I said, I'm struggling to whether or not I should
[25:29] Speaker 2: include Alabama in that because Alabama has had like great runs,
[25:35] Speaker 2: but also when we were growing up and we were
[25:36] Speaker 2: talking about like When Alabama beat Miami in the national
[25:39] Speaker 2: championship game, we're like, damn, I didn't know Alabama was
[25:41] Speaker 2: good like that.
[25:42] Speaker 3: Like it was sort of it kind of came out of.
[25:43] Speaker 2: Nowhere for our generation of people because we had not
[25:46] Speaker 2: seen the Alabama that everybody had been talking about from
[25:49] Speaker 2: the 70s and stuff.
[25:50] Speaker 1: Right now. So the thing is, Alabama's had three runs,
[25:54] Speaker 1: but it was like this one decade run, this one
[25:57] Speaker 1: decade run. And this two decades.
[26:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, 20 years. Yeah.
[26:03] Speaker 1: Like calling that a run feels like so. But again,
[26:06] Speaker 1: we're going to find out. The thing is, Alabama has
[26:09] Speaker 1: no built-in advantages, right? Right. So I think you and
[26:12] Speaker 1: I would agree. The highest floor is at Ohio State.
[26:15] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[26:16] Speaker 1: Right. And that's why they're like anybody can do this.
[26:19] Speaker 1: They're not that much in a rush to fire a coach.
[26:21] Speaker 1: They don't sweat it too hard when it's time to
[26:23] Speaker 1: hire a coach. The machine will produce.
[26:27] Speaker 3: Right.
[26:27] Speaker 1: Then there are these kind of high variance schools that
[26:30] Speaker 1: have the potential for great highs, but also great lows.
[26:33] Speaker 1: And the one I'm thinking about in particular there is Auburn.
[26:36] Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
[26:37] Speaker 2: I was just about to say, well, you're going to
[26:38] Speaker 2: say Auburn because that's exactly the school I think about.
[26:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, right. Like they could be four and eight one
[26:42] Speaker 3: year and they could be 12 and one the next.
[26:44] Speaker 4: Yes.
[26:45] Speaker 1: Yes.
[26:45] Speaker 3: Like Auburn.
[26:46] Speaker 1: Auburn is like that. You get weird jobs that are
[26:49] Speaker 1: like Florida. I contend. I think now at this point,
[26:52] Speaker 1: all three Florida schools, now that everybody knows that Florida
[26:55] Speaker 1: has players. High ceiling, but also a lower floor than
[27:00] Speaker 1: you would expect. But also the ceiling has gotten tougher
[27:03] Speaker 1: and tougher for any of those schools to achieve. It's
[27:07] Speaker 1: been over a decade since any of them won a
[27:09] Speaker 1: national championship.
[27:10] Speaker 3: That's right.
[27:10] Speaker 2: I mean, yes, they had to lock on to talent.
[27:14] Speaker 2: And also, and I don't mean to diss Florida, but
[27:16] Speaker 2: I feel like I have the right. I lived there
[27:18] Speaker 2: for four years. Them college towns aren't as nice as
[27:21] Speaker 2: people think they are.
[27:22] Speaker 3: No.
[27:23] Speaker 2: Like, Gainesville is not... You could do worse. When you're
[27:27] Speaker 2: growing up, you think, oh, Florida, palm trees, beach. That
[27:30] Speaker 2: is not what Gainesville or Tallahassee is, right?
[27:33] Speaker 1: It is not. It is not. Now, Gainesville, I went
[27:36] Speaker 1: to Gainesville. I gave a talk there earlier this year.
[27:38] Speaker 1: And it's got a little more cracking than I expected. Tallahassee, look, man,
[27:45] Speaker 1: South Georgia, North Florida, lo mismo. Just letting y'all know that.
[27:52] Speaker 1: That's part of what helped when Bobby was there because
[27:55] Speaker 1: they could go get them boys in South Georgia.
[27:56] Speaker 3: But, lo mismo.
[27:58] Speaker 1: I need you to understand that. Lo mismo. I have
[28:03] Speaker 1: had that happen to me before where I ain't see
[28:04] Speaker 1: the state line and I ain't even realize I made
[28:06] Speaker 1: that flip.
[28:07] Speaker 3: I mean, look, man.
[28:09] Speaker 2: The drive from Tampa to Tallahassee is one of the
[28:13] Speaker 2: just most.
[28:14] Speaker 3: God forbid, desolate.
[28:17] Speaker 2: Boring drives in the history of driving domestically. Like, it
[28:21] Speaker 2: is really boring and bad. It is a hard place
[28:24] Speaker 2: to get to. And when you get there, it ain't
[28:26] Speaker 2: that special. But the one thing that they did kind
[28:28] Speaker 2: of have at Florida A & M was it helps
[28:31] Speaker 2: them overcome some of those issues as well.
[28:35] Speaker 3: So that's an advantage they have.
[28:37] Speaker 1: I just....
[28:39] Speaker 3: Okay.
[28:40] Speaker 1: I just want to throw it out there. I am
[28:43] Speaker 1: certain that that helped. Mm-hmm. But you and I both
[28:48] Speaker 1: know one of the selling points that they use in
[28:52] Speaker 1: recruiting these boys. And it ain't what they got at Florida.
[28:56] Speaker 3: A & M. Well, everybody ain't Kendall Browns.
[29:01] Speaker 1: You and I both know what they use as a
[29:04] Speaker 1: selling point.
[29:05] Speaker 3: Oh, I know. I know.
[29:06] Speaker 1: And it ain't what they got at Florida A & M.
[29:09] Speaker 3: Yeah. That's what I mean. That's fair. It's a bonus.
[29:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[29:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[29:16] Speaker 1: For those of you who was raised like that, we
[29:23] Speaker 1: can send you over there and.
[29:26] Speaker 3: We can make it. You know what?
[29:28] Speaker 1: Let's take a break and come back before we get
[29:29] Speaker 1: crazy over here.
[29:33] Speaker 3: All right.
[29:33] Speaker 1: We will get back to Joel Anderson in just a second.
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[31:56] Speaker 1: We are back with Joel Anderson, who just did one
[31:59] Speaker 1: of those things. He says he doesn't do, but we
[32:01] Speaker 1: cut that out of the show. Check him out at
[32:05] Speaker 1: the Ranger tailgate show with Van Lathan. And it's funny.
[32:08] Speaker 1: You say you want me to come in there and
[32:09] Speaker 1: gang up on Van. You just be hating on whoever
[32:11] Speaker 1: you do a show with. But I believe we talked
[32:15] Speaker 1: about this. Maybe we didn't, but either way, I talked
[32:18] Speaker 1: to somebody about this. I really do love the fact
[32:20] Speaker 1: that Bill got two black dudes and Tate Frazier. He'd
[32:23] Speaker 1: be with y'all, too. Talking about college football, because they'd
[32:26] Speaker 1: be acting like we ain't on it. And you learned
[32:27] Speaker 1: very quickly that that boy Van is italicized on it.
[32:32] Speaker 3: Oh, man.
[32:33] Speaker 2: I think the first team meeting I had with Van,
[32:36] Speaker 2: and he was just like, yeah, I got all the
[32:39] Speaker 2: message boards. He's watching all 22 tape. And he was like,
[32:43] Speaker 2: all right, are we going to... So, you know, one
[32:45] Speaker 2: way that we can also learn the rosters, too, is
[32:47] Speaker 2: by playing NCAA, you know, 25 or 26. And I
[32:50] Speaker 2: was just like, I haven't played video games in 18 years.
[32:54] Speaker 2: And he was like, oh, you know, just like the
[32:56] Speaker 2: disappointment in his voice. He was like, oh, I guess
[32:58] Speaker 2: you're not really serious about it. And I was like, oh, no, man,
[33:03] Speaker 2: I need to, like, get up on my, like, prep.
[33:05] Speaker 2: Because he is, I mean, he really does take this
[33:08] Speaker 2: very seriously.
[33:08] Speaker 3: Hold up.
[33:10] Speaker 1: We tried to record this episode yesterday with Joel, and
[33:13] Speaker 1: Joel told us he could not record because he had
[33:16] Speaker 1: to prep so he could keep up with Van.
[33:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Van don't joke around.
[33:22] Speaker 2: Van's media diet is crazy because he'll be like, yo,
[33:26] Speaker 2: I was reading this or I was listening to this.
[33:28] Speaker 3: And I'm like, how do you? He's now started watching
[33:31] Speaker 3: a new show, The.
[33:32] Speaker 2: Gilded Age, Real Housewives of the Gilded Age or something
[33:36] Speaker 2: like that. I'm like, how do you have time? to
[33:39] Speaker 2: do all of that, to take in all this information.
[33:41] Speaker 2: I just don't understand it.
[33:43] Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, I kind of miss the days
[33:46] Speaker 1: when I did this and I was that immersed, right?
[33:50] Speaker 1: Because one thing that people will talk about is as,
[33:54] Speaker 1: I'll just use Stephen A. Smith as an example, right?
[33:57] Speaker 1: More of a, more using him as an avatar than
[34:00] Speaker 1: a specific critique of anything about him, right?
[34:02] Speaker 3: Right.
[34:03] Speaker 1: But I think that you will see people who can
[34:05] Speaker 1: make the argument that he does not follow sports as
[34:10] Speaker 1: closely as he once did. Okay. I cannot say specifically
[34:15] Speaker 1: or definitively whether or not that's true. I can say
[34:19] Speaker 1: with a pretty good guess that that's absolutely true because
[34:23] Speaker 1: you have to go do more stuff, right? Like you
[34:25] Speaker 1: get into it and you start by being immersed in
[34:28] Speaker 1: the information. And then that then leads to more and
[34:31] Speaker 1: more responsibilities, more meetings, more flights. Like when I did
[34:36] Speaker 1: the show on HBO, what I was shocked by was
[34:38] Speaker 1: how much of my time was taken up by things
[34:41] Speaker 1: that were not me working on the show. Yeah. You
[34:44] Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because it was just like, yo,
[34:45] Speaker 1: this is crazy.
[34:46] Speaker 3: Managing all this other stuff around.
[34:48] Speaker 4: Right, right.
[34:48] Speaker 1: Like in your head, it didn't do impress availability and
[34:50] Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. But in my head, it was like, yo,
[34:52] Speaker 1: all I'm going to do is just be knee deep
[34:54] Speaker 1: in this show. And I was, but just not in
[34:57] Speaker 1: the capacities, you know, that I thought I would be in.
[34:59] Speaker 1: So like, I remember when I worked local and when
[35:01] Speaker 1: I worked for Page Two, where college stuff was my
[35:04] Speaker 1: beat dude i knew the recruiting i knew everybody's coordinators
[35:09] Speaker 1: absolutely like it's even harder now than it's ever been
[35:11] Speaker 1: because of the levels of player mobility but i do
[35:14] Speaker 1: miss that where i would just spend days i just
[35:15] Speaker 1: sit here and i just go on rivals and i
[35:17] Speaker 1: wouldn't even just start taking notes but i would just
[35:19] Speaker 1: pass time looking at this class looking at that class
[35:22] Speaker 1: looking at this and just having it in my head
[35:24] Speaker 1: so that one day i.
[35:25] Speaker 3: Could pop up and talk about it Bro, I would
[35:27] Speaker 3: just read through this. It took me like two weeks.
[35:30] Speaker 3: It took me like a month. I ordered this, and
[35:33] Speaker 3: it took me a month to finally get to it. Yeah, man.
[35:36] Speaker 3: I have my Texas football down here.
[35:37] Speaker 1: I was just about to ask if you got Dave
[35:39] Speaker 1: Campbell's Texas football.
[35:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it right here, and it still looks
[35:42] Speaker 2: nice because I've not had as much time to read
[35:44] Speaker 2: it as I would like. But yeah, man, it's just, yeah,
[35:47] Speaker 2: I would love to be immersed in all that stuff too,
[35:50] Speaker 2: but it just doesn't work like that. And plus, it
[35:52] Speaker 2: used to be when I would be done with work,
[35:55] Speaker 2: I kind of could chill a little bit, but like,
[35:57] Speaker 2: I probably work harder.
[35:58] Speaker 3: When I'm not at work than when I'm actually working.
[36:01] Speaker 3: So there is that.
[36:02] Speaker 2: But to your point about Bill, man, you know, I'm
[36:05] Speaker 2: really glad that Bill saw something in me and Van.
[36:08] Speaker 2: And before I'd even got to the ringer, when he
[36:09] Speaker 2: was saying, he's like, yo, I think a year ago,
[36:12] Speaker 2: he was like, how would you think about doing a
[36:15] Speaker 2: YouTube show with Van for college football?
[36:17] Speaker 3: And I was like, hell yeah. Like, why wouldn't, and.
[36:21] Speaker 2: And I think that says something really good about Bill.
[36:24] Speaker 2: And I think partially it's because Bill isn't really a
[36:26] Speaker 2: college football fan.
[36:28] Speaker 3: He don't care about football.
[36:29] Speaker 2: He knows who Arch Manning is and all that, but
[36:31] Speaker 2: he don't give a shit about the granular stuff like
[36:34] Speaker 2: we do. But I think, if you allow me to
[36:37] Speaker 2: make a generalization here, I think when white folks think
[36:41] Speaker 2: of college football.
[36:42] Speaker 3: They don't think of us unless we playing.
[36:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[36:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. I've talked about this. Yeah.
[36:46] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[36:47] Speaker 2: And for so many, it's because we're not really a
[36:49] Speaker 2: part of their college experience, no matter what, like classes, dorms,
[36:53] Speaker 2: Greek life, alumni events.
[36:55] Speaker 3: We not really there.
[36:56] Speaker 1: Right.
[36:56] Speaker 2: So they don't come to think of us being at
[36:58] Speaker 2: the tailgate. They don't think of us, you know, having
[37:00] Speaker 2: a tradition at these schools. And that's kind of true
[37:02] Speaker 2: because we, most of our affiliations are fandoms with these
[37:07] Speaker 2: power for schools and That ain't got nothing to do
[37:09] Speaker 2: with family. We didn't go, our family didn't go to
[37:11] Speaker 2: none of them schools, you know?
[37:13] Speaker 3: No.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Well, like you and I talk about this thing where,
[37:16] Speaker 1: I don't root for Texas anymore, but because Joel struggles
[37:18] Speaker 1: with coming up with new material.
[37:20] Speaker 3: Sure he don't root for Texas.
[37:21] Speaker 1: You ain't heard me say nothing at all close to
[37:23] Speaker 1: rooting for Texas in five years.
[37:25] Speaker 2: You trying to be respectable. I get it. I appreciate
[37:28] Speaker 2: you tucking it in, but that's fine.
[37:29] Speaker 1: No, no, no. Like for a moment, I need you
[37:31] Speaker 1: to ride with me and understand where I'm coming from here, right?
[37:34] Speaker 1: Like it's just not the bag anymore. Joel gives me
[37:37] Speaker 1: hell about rooting for Texas because Joel is born in Texas,
[37:42] Speaker 1: even though at his core- He from Arkansas.
[37:47] Speaker 3: Don't do that. At the core of who you are.
[37:52] Speaker 3: Don't do that.
[37:53] Speaker 1: You from Arkansas.
[37:53] Speaker 3: My mama don't even say she from Arkansas.
[37:55] Speaker 1: She's from Louisiana. That don't change what it is. Now
[37:58] Speaker 1: do it.
[37:58] Speaker 3: She's from West Monroe, Louisiana.
[38:01] Speaker 1: Even better.
[38:02] Speaker 3: Can't help where we from.
[38:05] Speaker 1: Shout out to Andrew Whitworth, by the way.
[38:07] Speaker 3: Can't help where we from.
[38:09] Speaker 1: But anyway, I was not born in Texas. We moved
[38:14] Speaker 1: to Texas when I was seven. So there's a bit
[38:18] Speaker 1: of it's easier for somebody like me to root for
[38:21] Speaker 1: the University of Texas at my age because I'm not
[38:24] Speaker 1: from the place. Right. And my parents are not from
[38:27] Speaker 1: the place. So there are things that you associate with
[38:30] Speaker 1: that first and foremost. Like, yo, these are the races
[38:32] Speaker 1: that are closest to us. That to me doesn't quite
[38:35] Speaker 1: land because I grew up around Aggies. You know what
[38:38] Speaker 1: I mean? Like it doesn't it doesn't land with me
[38:40] Speaker 1: in that same way. I say that simply to say
[38:44] Speaker 1: we in the first real generation of black people rooting
[38:48] Speaker 1: for the home team. Right. When it comes to these
[38:50] Speaker 1: schools and being able to do so without any sort
[38:53] Speaker 1: of like moral conflict or quandary. Now you still got
[38:56] Speaker 1: Mississippi where Jackson state with Dion without Dion is selling
[39:00] Speaker 1: 40,000 seats.
[39:01] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[39:02] Speaker 1: You know, a little, a little pot tide.
[39:04] Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Ole Miss is a tough
[39:06] Speaker 3: sell even today. I'm sorry.
[39:08] Speaker 2: If you say you're Ole Miss fan and you black,
[39:11] Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo.
[39:12] Speaker 1: Look, man, everybody want to love the crib. I understand that, but.
[39:17] Speaker 3: Can't do it.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Can't do it. But like the idea of my daddy
[39:22] Speaker 1: rooting for LSU. Dude, I was at a bar in
[39:26] Speaker 1: New Orleans. I forget how long ago it was. Man,
[39:29] Speaker 1: I heard these two white men arguing about who, between
[39:32] Speaker 1: two different players that definitely played before they had black
[39:35] Speaker 1: people on the team. And they felt like they was
[39:36] Speaker 1: too young to be doing that. You know what I'm saying?
[39:40] Speaker 1: Now on this show, we have already talked about... Steve
[39:45] Speaker 1: Van Buren was a running back, but he should have
[39:47] Speaker 1: been a quarterback because somebody was passing. You ever looked
[39:51] Speaker 1: at a picture of Steve Van Buren?
[39:53] Speaker 3: I don't think I have.
[39:54] Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Steve Van Buren was
[39:55] Speaker 1: the all time leading rusher in the NFL. I want
[39:57] Speaker 1: to say before Jim Brown. Steve Van Buren played for
[40:00] Speaker 1: LSU in the 1940s. Yeah.
[40:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[40:04] Speaker 1: You're looking at him right now. I see that look
[40:05] Speaker 1: on your face.
[40:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[40:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:07] Speaker 3: Well, I said he was born in Honduras. Yeah.
[40:10] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. How did he get through?
[40:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
[40:13] Speaker 1: How did they not? First of all, how did something
[40:16] Speaker 1: not snitch on him to get him over to them?
[40:20] Speaker 3: Look at that.
[40:21] Speaker 2: He looks like, does he look like Stan Verrett?
[40:26] Speaker 1: He's an Appaloosa's All-Star is what I like to refer
[40:29] Speaker 1: to them boys as. He one of them, you know
[40:32] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But no, but what you say is
[40:35] Speaker 1: true is that, my point that I was making with
[40:37] Speaker 1: that is that the culture of white colleges, to me,
[40:42] Speaker 1: it's amazing how segregated it remains. Like from top to bottom.
[40:47] Speaker 1: And when you look at those clips of like the
[40:49] Speaker 1: student section at the games, Now, when I was at Carolina,
[40:52] Speaker 1: I felt like black folks was going and doing that stuff, right?
[40:55] Speaker 1: But when I look, it'd be one black person that
[40:57] Speaker 1: I know I wouldn't hang out with, surrounded by a
[41:01] Speaker 1: bunch of white folks that I know don't want me
[41:03] Speaker 1: hanging out with them.
[41:04] Speaker 3: Oh, look, man.
[41:05] Speaker 2: I mean, why do you think those viral videos outside
[41:07] Speaker 2: them sorority house, like, that is a message to white
[41:11] Speaker 2: folks about what they think the college experience is like.
[41:14] Speaker 2: You know, all the sorority girls dancing and all that stuff.
[41:17] Speaker 2: And people got all mad about it, but it's just like, yo, like,
[41:20] Speaker 2: That actually is with their college experience. For a lot
[41:23] Speaker 2: of them at those big state schools, it does not
[41:25] Speaker 2: involve a lot of black people.
[41:26] Speaker 3: We are not a part of that experience. And so
[41:29] Speaker 3: it makes, yeah. Have you ever tailgated?
[41:32] Speaker 2: I've never tailgated a game like that.
[41:35] Speaker 1: I have at Carolina, I have.
[41:37] Speaker 3: Okay. I did it at UAPB.
[41:39] Speaker 1: Okay.
[41:40] Speaker 3: But that's it. I've never tailgated. Even at TCU, I've
[41:43] Speaker 3: never done that. But that is not a world.
[41:45] Speaker 2: And no disrespect to my alma mater, you know, but
[41:48] Speaker 2: like that is not a world that I felt that, yeah,
[41:49] Speaker 2: that I was, should be over it.
[41:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[41:52] Speaker 1: So I did it at Carolina and the people I
[41:54] Speaker 1: was tailgating with are a little bit different. It's my
[41:55] Speaker 1: good buddy, Joy Powell. And this won't mean nothing to
[41:58] Speaker 1: those of y'all who ain't from North Carolina, but Joy
[42:00] Speaker 1: from Fayetteville. So the crowd is going to be a
[42:02] Speaker 1: little bit more of a, of a hodgepodge of humanity.
[42:06] Speaker 1: Cause that's how, that's how, that's how Fayetteville gets down.
[42:09] Speaker 3: Is Fayetteville the port author of North Carolina?
[42:12] Speaker 1: No. Uh, Kenston is the port author of North Carolina.
[42:18] Speaker 1: Fayetteville got the base, though. Fayetteville, a.k.a. Fayette-nom. Once you
[42:24] Speaker 1: get the base, we mix it in some different stuff.
[42:30] Speaker 1: When we start talking about that Fayetteville, you remember my
[42:33] Speaker 1: man Joe and Raleigh?
[42:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
[42:35] Speaker 1: Joe from Fayetteville.
[42:37] Speaker 3: Oh, is he really? Okay.
[42:39] Speaker 1: Fayetteville goes a little different, but the culture's It's so
[42:44] Speaker 1: wild to me that cultures are so segregated. Like to me,
[42:48] Speaker 1: I always looked at the cats that went to the
[42:50] Speaker 1: white schools. I'm like, y'all better be out here hanging
[42:52] Speaker 1: out with white people. Otherwise, I don't really understand why
[42:53] Speaker 1: you put yourself through this.
[42:55] Speaker 2: I know, but man, you know, I just think a
[42:57] Speaker 2: lot of parents, you know, I mean, you had the
[42:59] Speaker 2: same thing. My parents went to HBCUs and they, while
[43:04] Speaker 2: they had a good time, they thought they were denied
[43:06] Speaker 2: something in terms of education.
[43:08] Speaker 3: They just thought, you know, the white man's ice was colder,
[43:10] Speaker 3: I guess. Yes. You know? And so they were like,
[43:12] Speaker 3: they were adamant.
[43:13] Speaker 2: My parents never let me go to school in my
[43:15] Speaker 2: neighborhood or, or, or, you know, the college I wanted
[43:19] Speaker 2: to go to, which I know you'd be clowning me,
[43:20] Speaker 2: but Morehouse was like my dream school. You know, I
[43:23] Speaker 2: grew up, I mean, school days, school days really put
[43:27] Speaker 2: me like, cause I, and I knew that mission.
[43:29] Speaker 1: Days, which was filmed at Clark Atlanta university primarily.
[43:31] Speaker 3: Okay, my bad. Respect.
[43:33] Speaker 1: Did you know that Spike Lee took all his mass
[43:35] Speaker 1: comm courses at Clark College?
[43:38] Speaker 2: I know that because you've mentioned it before. I'll mention
[43:41] Speaker 2: it until I'm blue.
[43:41] Speaker 3: In the face.
[43:42] Speaker 1: I ain't a hater. I even told Spike that. Spike
[43:44] Speaker 1: was like, you know what? You're right. I need to
[43:47] Speaker 1: talk about that more.
[43:48] Speaker 3: Okay. I went, has he done it? But yeah, I mean, look,
[43:52] Speaker 3: I wanted to go to a- Hold up.
[43:53] Speaker 1: Did you see? Did you see? Just slip that hate
[43:57] Speaker 1: in there and try to keep it moving. Has he
[43:59] Speaker 1: done it? And then just keep on moving. They didn't
[44:01] Speaker 1: even let it go nowhere. See, that's the thing about it.
[44:04] Speaker 1: You try to be slick with it.
[44:06] Speaker 3: I'm not even Again, I feel like I'm going to
[44:09] Speaker 3: have to put out a poll. Do you think of
[44:12] Speaker 3: me as a lover or a hater?
[44:13] Speaker 2: Because I feel like there's people out there that think
[44:15] Speaker 2: that see my warmth, my fundamental warmth for humanity and
[44:19] Speaker 2: my compassion.
[44:20] Speaker 1: The one person who thinks you a lover don't love
[44:23] Speaker 1: you enough to go so far as to listen to
[44:25] Speaker 1: my pod just because you want it.
[44:26] Speaker 3: I mean, hold on. She listens to this pod.
[44:30] Speaker 1: Oh, tell her I said thank you.
[44:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll listen to what I'm on it. She'll listen
[44:36] Speaker 2: to my football pod neither though, but that's okay. She
[44:38] Speaker 2: watches it because I'm handsome.
[44:41] Speaker 1: So just to be clear. She don't watch it when
[44:43] Speaker 1: it's just you talking about your stuff. But when she
[44:45] Speaker 1: know me and you going to be having substantive discourse, she.
[44:47] Speaker 3: Be over here.
[44:48] Speaker 2: I was talking about you. But she also watches The Tailgate, too,
[44:51] Speaker 2: on YouTube.
[44:52] Speaker 1: Oh, she a fan of Van also?
[44:54] Speaker 3: No, she a fan of me. She a fan of me.
[44:57] Speaker 3: She might like Van. I don't know.
[44:59] Speaker 2: I haven't asked her about it. She did like Tate.
[45:01] Speaker 2: She did think Tate was very nice. A very nice
[45:03] Speaker 2: white boy.
[45:06] Speaker 3: And you know what?
[45:07] Speaker 2: Tate is cool. Like Van said, Tate got somewhere. I
[45:10] Speaker 2: just said North Carolina.
[45:11] Speaker 1: Tate went to Carolina, right?
[45:12] Speaker 3: He went to Carolina, yeah.
[45:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, Tate's good with my guy, Charlie Hume, who would
[45:17] Speaker 1: be hilarious if he was on the pod with you
[45:20] Speaker 1: guys because that would be like a sitcom.
[45:22] Speaker 3: Oh, really?
[45:23] Speaker 1: Oh, man. I love Charlie, but we are from different
[45:26] Speaker 1: worlds than Charlie Hume is from. Really? See, man, I
[45:28] Speaker 1: don't know Charlie that well, so I got to... Old
[45:31] Speaker 1: money Charlie. You probably heard him referred to as that
[45:33] Speaker 1: on the Leviton show. That's Charlie Hume.
[45:35] Speaker 3: That's Charlie Hume. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Okay, that's it.
[45:38] Speaker 3: That's it. But yeah, no, man. You know, yeah.
[45:41] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just, you know, because Van went to Southern.
[45:44] Speaker 2: His father was at Southern, but he became an LSU fan.
[45:47] Speaker 3: And I just thought... I became....
[45:50] Speaker 2: I never looked at those games. Texas A & M,
[45:54] Speaker 2: probably because I didn't have any proximity to it. I
[45:56] Speaker 2: didn't realize Texas A & M was that close. But
[45:58] Speaker 2: in the late 80s and 90s, I'm looking at Texas
[46:01] Speaker 2: A & M, and I'm like, they seem to have
[46:03] Speaker 2: all the brothers.
[46:04] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[46:06] Speaker 2: I was like, they had a black quarterback. For people
[46:08] Speaker 2: that don't know, Kyler Murray's daddy was cold. Kevin Murray
[46:12] Speaker 2: was a two-time Southwest Conference Offensive Player of the Year.
[46:16] Speaker 2: He probably should have played in the NFL, but there
[46:17] Speaker 2: was different times back then. but um and so i
[46:21] Speaker 2: looked at them and i like oh u of h
[46:23] Speaker 2: seems like for you know close to home and whatever
[46:26] Speaker 2: else but like i looked at ut or um smu
[46:30] Speaker 2: or baylor any of them other schools and i'm like
[46:31] Speaker 2: oh i don't even looking at the crowd looking at
[46:34] Speaker 2: all that that didn't look like anything that belonged to
[46:36] Speaker 2: me and so i i'm much more related to like
[46:39] Speaker 2: the hbcu environments and stuff like that and yeah i
[46:42] Speaker 2: mean obviously it's changed i had to go to tcu
[46:44] Speaker 2: and and stuff changed but Yeah, man, we just thought
[46:47] Speaker 2: that those, even.
[46:49] Speaker 3: The schools that are allegedly integrated are not that integrated.
[46:53] Speaker 1: No, no, and it's only going to get worse.
[46:57] Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, they ain't going, I mean, it seems
[47:01] Speaker 2: like our mere presence will be suspect.
[47:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know when it would be safe to
[47:07] Speaker 1: talk about these things. The point that I always make
[47:13] Speaker 1: about diversity any standpoint a it's always come through some
[47:19] Speaker 1: measure of force or necessity and b always for the
[47:25] Speaker 1: express purpose of operating in service of white men right
[47:32] Speaker 1: like the the move has never been because it's the
[47:33] Speaker 1: right thing to do if you go look at like
[47:35] Speaker 1: the affirmative action paperwork from the lawsuits in the supreme
[47:38] Speaker 1: court and stuff like that the argument is that diversity
[47:40] Speaker 1: is a noble goal If it is better for the
[47:43] Speaker 1: campus at large, which is to say if it is
[47:45] Speaker 1: better for the white people who are already there.
[47:46] Speaker 3: Right. Otherwise, nope.
[47:49] Speaker 1: No, thanks.
[47:50] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, one of the most notorious desegregation stories
[47:54] Speaker 2: in college football history is like if you really think
[47:56] Speaker 2: about it, it's really ignoble. And where Bear Bryant gets
[48:01] Speaker 2: his ass kicked by Sam Bam Cunningham. at USC, and
[48:04] Speaker 2: he's like, well, I got to get me some of those.
[48:06] Speaker 2: It ain't like, well, I think it would be the
[48:07] Speaker 2: best thing to do. And of course, like, that story
[48:09] Speaker 2: is possibly apocryphal.
[48:10] Speaker 1: It's apocryphal. Well, they already had a brother on campus
[48:13] Speaker 1: on the freshman team.
[48:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
[48:14] Speaker 2: They already had, they had already kind of started. But like,
[48:17] Speaker 2: even the stories we tell ourselves about, like, why a
[48:20] Speaker 2: school would want us is about, well, we got to compete,
[48:23] Speaker 2: because they get, they bringing in some now, too. It
[48:25] Speaker 2: ain't never because, oh, this would be enriching. We could
[48:28] Speaker 2: all benefit from this, and other people in other parts
[48:30] Speaker 2: of our communities could benefit from integrating these institutions. Yeah,
[48:34] Speaker 2: there's just always, like you say, like, you know, we
[48:37] Speaker 2: need you to come over here and help us with this.
[48:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this though, for a school like Alabama, right?
[48:44] Speaker 1: So let's like, when you think about the schools that
[48:46] Speaker 1: have been historically ahead of the integration curve, and the
[48:48] Speaker 1: University of Texas, I mean, yeah, excuse me, excuse me,
[48:50] Speaker 1: they were definitely not ahead of any integration curve.
[48:52] Speaker 3: The University of Houston. Mm-hmm. Gotta do what you gotta do.
[48:56] Speaker 1: You're right.
[48:57] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[48:58] Speaker 1: Right. Like like this is this is the only chance
[49:00] Speaker 1: we got. They were ahead of football and in basketball,
[49:03] Speaker 1: in football. They were ahead in integration and ahead in scheme.
[49:07] Speaker 3: Right.
[49:08] Speaker 1: And in basketball, kind of sort of ahead in scheme
[49:11] Speaker 1: when the scheme was run.
[49:12] Speaker 3: And jump, run and jump.
[49:14] Speaker 1: But at a time when people are afraid to run
[49:16] Speaker 1: and jump. Right. But like Houston football, they invented the veer, right?
[49:21] Speaker 1: The invention of the veer is at Houston. The run
[49:23] Speaker 1: and shoot in the late 80s and the Art Browse
[49:25] Speaker 1: offense in the mid 2000s, right? Like they've been at
[49:28] Speaker 1: the forefront of three significant offensive paradigms in the sport
[49:34] Speaker 1: because you got to do what you got to do.
[49:35] Speaker 3: They've always had to innovate. Right.
[49:37] Speaker 1: Right. And their innovation, like Bobby Bowden, what was his
[49:39] Speaker 1: great innovation? Why don't we get so many black guys
[49:41] Speaker 1: to play 14? I hear some of them can throw.
[49:44] Speaker 3: Right.
[49:46] Speaker 1: It took Miami a while to get around to that
[49:48] Speaker 1: idea where that was also their innovation. What I do say,
[49:52] Speaker 1: I appreciate, and I look at this with a school
[49:54] Speaker 1: like Alabama, for example, and as much as we look
[49:56] Speaker 1: at it as, man, you only came and got us
[49:58] Speaker 1: because you needed us, and there's a deep down... We're
[50:01] Speaker 1: not going to get out N-worded if that becomes the game.
[50:04] Speaker 1: But Alabama did, in fact, decide that they would not
[50:07] Speaker 1: get out N-worded.
[50:09] Speaker 3: And they were handsomely rewarded.
[50:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, once they had to do it, they did it.
[50:14] Speaker 2: You know what's another school that's like that?
[50:16] Speaker 3: Oklahoma, man.
[50:18] Speaker 2: Oh, Oklahoma's at the top of the list. Like, oh,
[50:21] Speaker 2: what are we talking about here? We got to be
[50:23] Speaker 2: serious about this if we're going to do this.
[50:25] Speaker 1: Like, you got to think about this, right? I know
[50:28] Speaker 1: that when my mother got to OU in 1960, that
[50:33] Speaker 1: they had already integrated the football team. Now, keep in mind,
[50:36] Speaker 1: my mama gets there in 1960, and she and the
[50:40] Speaker 1: group that she worked with, the first order of business
[50:42] Speaker 1: was to begin to desegregate Norman, right? So, like, let's
[50:45] Speaker 1: not act like everything was sweet there. However, Texas, I think,
[50:50] Speaker 1: still has the all-time, like, the lead in that series.
[50:56] Speaker 1: But if you go look at the day that OU integrated,
[51:03] Speaker 1: the tides turned. Part of it is Oklahoma in general.
[51:08] Speaker 1: What we really talk about is Switzer.
[51:10] Speaker 3: Right.
[51:10] Speaker 1: Switzer, as is off the case with white men of
[51:15] Speaker 1: his particular ilk, was like, The hood love me, baby.
[51:22] Speaker 1: And he was right.
[51:23] Speaker 3: He was right. He was right.
[51:24] Speaker 2: I mean, that Cowboys doc, I know you weren't a
[51:27] Speaker 2: huge fan, but one of the things- Oh, that was good.
[51:29] Speaker 3: Yeah. And one of the things that really comes through
[51:32] Speaker 3: is that.
[51:34] Speaker 2: In spite of whatever his political choices are now, he
[51:39] Speaker 2: seems to care about his players and his players really
[51:41] Speaker 2: seem to care about him.
[51:42] Speaker 3: He seems like he was fundamentally a good dude, right?
[51:44] Speaker 1: Yes.
[51:45] Speaker 3: Yeah. And so people can do that.
[51:47] Speaker 1: I think in late life, what happened to Switzer is,
[51:51] Speaker 1: and I think that this happens to a lot of guys.
[51:53] Speaker 1: You see it happen to a lot of white liberals
[51:57] Speaker 1: at points. Deep down, man, they just like us. They
[52:01] Speaker 1: want the white people to love them.
[52:03] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[52:05] Speaker 1: Like they don't ever want to get too far afield. Okay,
[52:09] Speaker 1: a better example of this is bourgeois black people who
[52:15] Speaker 1: deep down inside still want the hood to love them.
[52:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[52:20] Speaker 1: Right? And when they come and they get around those dudes,
[52:23] Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you about the
[52:24] Speaker 1: time that I met Roland Fryer. It was very clear. Oh,
[52:28] Speaker 1: this is like 20 years ago. It's an amazing story
[52:30] Speaker 1: for another day.
[52:31] Speaker 3: Okay.
[52:32] Speaker 1: But it became very clear to me he wanted the
[52:34] Speaker 1: hood to love him. And then I went to a
[52:36] Speaker 1: dinner with him where he wasn't with the hood and, well...
[52:41] Speaker 1: Let's just say he sounded a little bit different, right? Yeah.
[52:43] Speaker 1: He tried to explain to me, you know what I'm saying?
[52:45] Speaker 1: I grew up with my grandmama, you know, and I
[52:47] Speaker 1: just want to do this for black people, right? You know,
[52:49] Speaker 1: but like deep down, them cats all still want us
[52:53] Speaker 1: to love them. And when they're put in those situations,
[52:55] Speaker 1: and a cat like Barry Switzer is the same. Where
[52:57] Speaker 1: Barry Switzer out here hanging with us and we all
[52:59] Speaker 1: know his story. His daddy was the bootlegger living on
[53:01] Speaker 1: the black side of town, kicking it with black women.
[53:03] Speaker 1: Everybody knew all those things. But there's a part of
[53:07] Speaker 1: him that always wanted the acceptance of these other people.
[53:10] Speaker 3: Right. It's really funny.
[53:12] Speaker 2: You say that in the same week that this Alfonso
[53:14] Speaker 2: Ribeiro clip of him at the tunnel is going viral.
[53:18] Speaker 3: Because it's just like, oh, wait, Alfonso's from New York, though.
[53:21] Speaker 3: But I can't tell what's what. Yeah.
[53:24] Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen this clip, if you remember
[53:26] Speaker 1: the episode of The Fresh Prince where Will left Carlton
[53:30] Speaker 1: and Compton. Yes. And he came back and he had
[53:33] Speaker 1: on a do-rag and a silk shirt. And Will told
[53:37] Speaker 1: him he looked like a pirate.
[53:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, uh-huh.
[53:39] Speaker 1: Well, that version of Carlton was at the tunnel in
[53:42] Speaker 1: New York, and he just turned on a whole new vibe.
[53:45] Speaker 1: It was a lot closer to the Alfonso from, what's
[53:47] Speaker 1: it called?
[53:48] Speaker 3: Silver Spoons.
[53:48] Speaker 1: Silver Spoons.
[53:49] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[53:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[53:50] Speaker 1: Breakdancing Alfonso.
[53:51] Speaker 2: The funny thing too, is he still came in like
[53:53] Speaker 2: a Carlton uniform. Like he was in a tunnel in
[53:55] Speaker 2: his car. It wasn't like he had street, you know,
[53:57] Speaker 2: street wear on.
[53:58] Speaker 1: Oh my God. I feel bad for him. Cause I
[54:00] Speaker 1: think he probably just didn't know that's where they was
[54:01] Speaker 1: going that night. First of all, that's how you know,
[54:03] Speaker 1: which was the real, maybe. I'm talking about the time
[54:06] Speaker 1: that happened to me and Pablo. Somebody invited me and
[54:09] Speaker 1: Pablo to some party in, I want to call it 2017.
[54:13] Speaker 2: Right.
[54:15] Speaker 1: And I'm like, cool. Let's roll. But I remember my
[54:18] Speaker 1: good buddy Ken Gibbs told me that when you move
[54:20] Speaker 1: to New York, it take you two years to get
[54:21] Speaker 1: your gear right. And I didn't really understand what that meant.
[54:25] Speaker 1: But then you live here and you get it. Like
[54:28] Speaker 1: if you're going to be a type that goes to stuff,
[54:30] Speaker 1: you got to have so much gear because there's so
[54:32] Speaker 1: many things. Right.
[54:34] Speaker 3: Right.
[54:34] Speaker 1: And so I did not have adequate gear, but I just,
[54:37] Speaker 1: I needed to look like I had something. And so
[54:39] Speaker 1: I had on a button up shirt and like an
[54:41] Speaker 1: Argyle pullover sweater or something. Cause I just thought it
[54:44] Speaker 1: was like a reception of some sorts.
[54:46] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[54:47] Speaker 1: But I didn't realize it was fashion week. Oh man.
[54:52] Speaker 1: And so what made it worse is not simply that
[54:55] Speaker 1: I was not dressed properly for the occasion is that
[54:58] Speaker 1: I was clearly trying to dress for something.
[55:02] Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
[55:02] Speaker 1: Right. I clearly, to the naked eye, thought I looked
[55:07] Speaker 1: cool when I walked in the spot. And then a
[55:10] Speaker 1: photographer from the New York Times was like, yo, can
[55:13] Speaker 1: we get a picture of you guys? And they were like,
[55:16] Speaker 1: can we get a quote? And I said, yes. I
[55:18] Speaker 1: wish I had known it was fashion week before I
[55:21] Speaker 1: picked out my clothes. That was what I had picked.
[55:26] Speaker 1: And Pablo didn't look necessarily cooler than me, but he
[55:30] Speaker 1: did look like he had a style going. Yeah. Right?
[55:33] Speaker 1: He looked like he had his own thing going.
[55:36] Speaker 3: Man.
[55:36] Speaker 1: I looked like it was lunch money for sale.
[55:38] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? You were the, I ain't
[55:40] Speaker 3: fresh guy. You know what I'm saying? I'm not fresh.
[55:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. That was exactly it. And so I felt like
[55:45] Speaker 1: I knew that's what happened to Carlton. On that case,
[55:47] Speaker 1: he went somewhere where he had to be dressed up
[55:49] Speaker 1: as Carlton. And then they was like, yo, you trying
[55:51] Speaker 1: to go to the tunnel? He's like, I got to
[55:52] Speaker 1: change clothes. Man, you good.
[55:53] Speaker 3: No, man. No, Carlton. No, man.
[55:56] Speaker 2: I moved to New York when I was 35 and
[55:58] Speaker 2: I had to work at the new BuzzFeed. And so
[56:00] Speaker 2: I've been wearing clothes. Consider before this, I've been living
[56:04] Speaker 2: in Tampa and Shreveport.
[56:05] Speaker 3: Okay. Those are the places I lived. Then I moved
[56:07] Speaker 3: to New York at 35. I'm broke.
[56:09] Speaker 2: And I remember I coming into work. And my boss,
[56:12] Speaker 2: shout out Shani Hilton, man. Shani is great. And she
[56:17] Speaker 2: was just like, you know, she said something about my
[56:20] Speaker 2: clothes looking kind of dusty. And I was like, oh man,
[56:24] Speaker 2: I look like raggedy up here. Like these clothes don't hit.
[56:29] Speaker 2: Like if I have a crease in my pants, like
[56:31] Speaker 2: people are going to make fun of me.
[56:33] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
[56:35] Speaker 1: The other night, I got invited to something that was
[56:38] Speaker 1: cocktail attire. And I had planned to go, and I
[56:42] Speaker 1: fell asleep before I could go, unfortunately. Old. Like, it
[56:47] Speaker 1: was a Wednesday night, baby. But anyway, I was really
[56:50] Speaker 1: struggling with that cocktail attire because, you know, after I
[56:52] Speaker 1: put on a little bit more weight, I had those things,
[56:55] Speaker 1: but now they don't fit, and I never re-upped them
[56:57] Speaker 1: because that stuff don't be coming up no more. And
[56:59] Speaker 1: then I was just like, I don't have adequate gear.
[57:03] Speaker 1: And it took me back to the days of what
[57:04] Speaker 1: you was talking about. It's like, oh, my gear is
[57:06] Speaker 1: simply not up to snuff.
[57:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
[57:08] Speaker 2: You know, you just feel like going out and buying clothes.
[57:12] Speaker 2: There was a time in my life when I used
[57:13] Speaker 2: to love to go out and buy clothes. I'm like, yeah,
[57:15] Speaker 2: I'm going to get that. I'm going to put this on.
[57:17] Speaker 2: I don't want to do that no more. You know,
[57:18] Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't have that kind of energy.
[57:21] Speaker 2: If you tell me I got to dress up to
[57:22] Speaker 2: go someplace, too, I would probably be like, I'm probably
[57:25] Speaker 2: not going to go there.
[57:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, lucky for you, buddy, you're married and therefore
[57:29] Speaker 1: it doesn't like this. urgency around such matters this is
[57:32] Speaker 1: fair it's a little it's a little different like i
[57:35] Speaker 1: gotta i gotta figure something out i want to do
[57:36] Speaker 1: one last college football thing uh before we go because
[57:39] Speaker 1: you know we wound up going places it's all good
[57:41] Speaker 1: though um is the you back.
[57:48] Speaker 2: So i i was having this conversation with somebody so
[57:51] Speaker 2: i think Miami is really good. They might have the
[57:54] Speaker 2: best defensive player in the country. Reuben Baines seems like
[57:56] Speaker 2: he would have been right at home on them old
[57:58] Speaker 2: Canes teams.
[58:00] Speaker 1: Didn't his daddy play for him, right?
[58:01] Speaker 3: That's right. I think that's right.
[58:03] Speaker 1: That's right. He's Tobin's son?
[58:04] Speaker 3: That's right. I think that's right. I think that's right.
[58:09] Speaker 2: I think the thing is when people talk about is
[58:11] Speaker 2: Miami back, they don't mean is Miami good.
[58:14] Speaker 3: They mean How can I say this?
[58:17] Speaker 1: By the way, he's Ruben Bain Jr., so he's a
[58:20] Speaker 1: nephew at best.
[58:21] Speaker 3: Oh, a nephew at best. Okay. All right. It's in him.
[58:24] Speaker 3: You can see that the cane is in him.
[58:26] Speaker 2: He's got the whole Alvin Mack kind of personality about
[58:30] Speaker 2: the man. But what people are talking about is the U-back.
[58:36] Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out. I'm just going to
[58:38] Speaker 2: say it, and y'all bleep it out if y'all need to.
[58:41] Speaker 2: Them teams were niggerish, dawg.
[58:43] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And like, that's what people,
[58:46] Speaker 3: that's what I like.
[58:46] Speaker 2: When I'm thinking of the U and all that fun stuff,
[58:49] Speaker 2: I'm thinking of, you know, Randall Hill running all the
[58:51] Speaker 2: way through the Cotton Bowl tunnel. I'm thinking of Michael
[58:55] Speaker 2: Irvin getting up, dancing on you and all that stuff.
[58:58] Speaker 2: And then, you know, elaborate hand celebrations.
[59:01] Speaker 1: Do you think of the 01 Canes though? Because they
[59:03] Speaker 1: did not have that personality.
[59:05] Speaker 2: So that, so that is interesting, but you know, they
[59:07] Speaker 2: still kind of had a little bit of an edge
[59:09] Speaker 2: to them.
[59:09] Speaker 3: Remember, the seventh floor crew and.
[59:12] Speaker 1: Well, that was, that was, that was, yeah, that was
[59:14] Speaker 1: the later.
[59:14] Speaker 3: Guys, but yeah. The 2003 team.
[59:17] Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I think maybe they were still
[59:19] Speaker 2: living off the fumes of that. And because they were
[59:21] Speaker 2: so great, like they were inarguably amazing and they were
[59:24] Speaker 2: so talented that it felt like they were sort of
[59:27] Speaker 2: like heirs to that era. I didn't love them in
[59:32] Speaker 2: the same way. You can never love a sport or
[59:35] Speaker 2: a team in the way that you do when you're
[59:37] Speaker 2: 11 or 12 years old. And that's when Miami was great.
[59:39] Speaker 2: And that, like, left the thing. But is that, do
[59:41] Speaker 2: you think of them as back just because they're good?
[59:43] Speaker 1: Well, no, because being there, it's kind of like when
[59:46] Speaker 1: people say, is Texas back? I'm like, oh, they're going
[59:48] Speaker 1: to win 10 games nine years in a row? Right? Like,
[59:51] Speaker 1: is that, you're not going to establish that in a year. Like,
[59:55] Speaker 1: Texas is as good as they were last year.
[59:57] Speaker 3: Right.
[59:57] Speaker 1: That is not an establishment of backness. Though the roster looks,
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: the roster looks like those MAAC rosters. And let's not
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: get it twisted. Those MAAC rosters were, like, monstrous.
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: What I find interesting about Cristobal coaching that team is
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: that he is like the forgotten scion of Saban because
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: he's not in the SEC. You know, so we don't
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: think of him in the ways that you think about
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: Kirby or even Jimbo where Florida State was an SEC school,
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: not in the SEC, right? But Kirby, Will Muschamp, Lane Kiffin,
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: you know, we can rattle off more.
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: Mel Tucker.
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that. But the Saban guys, right? What makes
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: it interesting for me is that Cristobal is a cane,
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: first of all.
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: But he is absolutely a Saban guy, which is, copped
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: in a long beach together, now you know you're in trouble, right?
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: You are putting together two of the most dominating traditions
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: that you've had, right? And so, where Mario, the other
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: difference between Mario, or the big difference to me between
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: Mario and the Saban guys is, they are known much
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: more for being tacticians than Mario is. And that is
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: not what Mario's giving you. But Mario is getting them
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: boys and they go line up.
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: And they got some access to some cash. And look,
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: the Miami football program has never been based on out
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: scheming you. No. We're going to get really good players
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: and we're going to rush four and we're going to
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: drop seven and we're going to run the ball a lot.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: And then we're going to throw it when we need
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: to because our receivers are faster, but we're going to
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: get you that way. So you take a great offensive
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: line coach and put them in the fastest state in
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: the country and you have a chance to really make
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: something happen.
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing about Miami is that even
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: right now, they're great along the lines. I bet like
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: it's just kind of funny for Carson Beck to have
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: been in Georgia, which is we think of like one
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: of the best, you know, one of the most badass
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: programs of recent vintage. But he was running for his
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: life last year and not looking good and didn't really
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: have anybody to throw to that he was excited about.
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: And now he goes down to Miami and he's like, oh,
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: this is what it's like to have a little bit
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: more space back here. You know, I got a little
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: bit more time back here. And that's because that's what
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: Mario is all about, building up those offenses. They are
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: not going to be soft. They may be stupid. They
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: may make mistakes.
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: Don't.
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: Mario will be doing things.
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: He played for a 40-plus yard field goal against Notre
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: Dame in that game. And I'm just like, you won
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: the game, cool, but you thought that made sense to
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: put the game on the foot of a guy that
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: was a fairly new kicker, and it was like a
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: 40-plus yard kick, that didn't make any sense to me. So, yeah,
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: they may do dumb stuff and time management stuff, and
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: they may drop a game. But, yeah, like, they're going
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: to be tough as shit. Like, they're going to have
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: the boys out there, for real.
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: And look, man, the ACC will give you some warm-up
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: competition before you come out, you know, to play the games.
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: But in the end, it's still a really good place
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: to get players. Oh, man, yeah. You know, and it's not...
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: It's not what it was when nobody had figured out
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: that they had the players, right? And they just had
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: a complete lockdown of the area and an ability to
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: go get the guys they needed from out of state.
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: Having a down University of Texas, which is always helpful
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: in helping you. A lot of that run, like the
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: late 80s, early 90s, down Texas, down OU.
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: So now you could go get down boys. Yeah, like
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: you could go get, what's his name? Jesse Armstead, for example.
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: I think Kevin Williams, if I'm not mistaken, was another
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: one of those. But you could go get those guys. Now,
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: everybody got in there. They were still doing great business
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: recruiting South Florida. You just got to get.
[1:03:43] Speaker 3: A little bit more than that.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, now you got to do that because everybody takes
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: South Florida kids. I remember Amari Cooper going up to
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: Alabama and stuff like that.
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: What else?
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: I think Saban was going down there. Jerry Judy.
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, oh, I know they're down here.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: The thing about Miami that is tough is that they
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: just don't have the same.
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: Pageantry. If you go to a game at LSU or
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: you go.
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: To a game at Alabama or Auburn and then you
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: go to a game down there in Miami, it's just
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: not going to feel the same. You know what? When
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: I was in Tampa, I covered a kid named Vernon Hargreaves.
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: If you remember Vernon, he was the best high school player.
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: His daddy was a coach for those Miami. He was
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: a linebacker's coach, I think, for Miami during that Andre Johnson,
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: Ed Reed run. And so he wanted to go to Miami,
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: Vernon Hargreaves. And he was just like, man, when I
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: went down there, it looked like it did when I
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: was growing up. Like he used to say all the
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: facilities were old and they didn't have everything. And he's like,
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: I just couldn't go down there. And so, yeah, man.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: That's because they would like to be good, but they
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: ain't want to be good.
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: Right. But that also happens, those schools that have a
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: built-in advantage.
[1:04:56] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: North Carolina basketball has suffered this fate multiple times.
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: They're like, yo, people grow up wanting to come here, right?
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: They commit before they get here. Why do we need
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: to do this? And then you look up one day
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, this carpet's really old. And you
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: wind up having to, like, turn everything open. And that
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: was the same thing with Miami. They're like, what are
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: you talking about? These boys just want to stay home.
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to come to here.
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: Right. And then they also reached a point where they're like, no, actually,
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: people trying to get the hell out of here, dog. Like,
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: it's a little bit like Brian Pater is, you know, like,
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: those sorts of stories, I don't think did Miami any favor.
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: It looked a little, just a little like grim and
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: dangerous down there.
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: Cause they had another guy that got, they had another
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: kid that got killed on that team back in the nineties.
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: Right. Like Ray, Ray Lewis era. They had like, right. Yeah.
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: Here's the thing, man. If you was from, you know
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: If you from there.
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: Whether you should stay or whether you should go is
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: just a very interesting question, depending upon who you are
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: and what your reasons are, right? But, like, take New
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: York City, for example. These kids are using basketball not
[1:05:56] Speaker 1: to stay.
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: Right, yeah. They're trying to get down to Atlanta, remember?
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: They're trying to get anywhere.
[1:06:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, out of that town.
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: Anywhere but the crib, you know? So, no, I think
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: that program is so interesting, and now let's see where
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: it is because Mario— is not a cane by personality
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: per se, but he's of it, right? And I will
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: say this, the last thing I'll say about this before we,
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: you know, we got to give Joel back his time.
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: When the players looked like they was about to set
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: it off in 2020 against the colleges and all that,
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: I wound up on the phone call with Javon Holland,
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: who now plays for the New York Giants. He played
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: for Oregon. Crystal Ball was the coach at Oregon at
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: the time. And look, man, Holland was a dude that
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: had like like he was a he was a ringleader,
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: this sort of thing. The Malcolm X posted on the wall,
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Right. Which may not seem to
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: be the case if you he's he real zoomy when
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: you look at him.
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I was so impressed with Holland in that
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: interview that anytime something good happens to him to this day.
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: I'll send him a text and be like, hey, man,
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: I see what you're doing, right? Because look, man, that
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: dude said in 2020 when they was looking like they
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: was going to set it off, he was like, I
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: know exactly what I'm stepping into. And if this costs
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: me whatever, I did it for the right reasons. That's
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: somebody saying that at 21 years old.
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: I like that, man.
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's a stand-up dude. And
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: that stand-up dude could not have loved Mario Cristobal more.
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: Really? Okay.
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: In a really sincere, profound way. Like, he had an
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: admiration for the fact that Cristobal didn't necessarily agree with
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: everything that he was saying about how he wanted to
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: handle that situation. But the way he listened and entertained
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: everything that everybody had to say in that time. Like, Cristobal,
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: from that, I came away from that feeling like he's
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: what you want a college coach to be.
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: You know, as terms of leader of men, molder of
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: men type of guy. Right. I just don't know, you know,
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: if he can coach coach.
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: Right. It might not even matter.
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: And, you know, I mean, I guess that's part of
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: the legacy of being part of those Kings teams.
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: You have to learn, man.
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: Like sometimes when those guys were in the locker room
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: and you exposed to all these guys and you and
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: the games that they in and the experiences they in,
[1:08:01] Speaker 2: like Mario probably picked up a lot living with those dudes.
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: And so, yeah, how could. How could that not impact
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: him when he has to get to coach those.
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: Guys later, right?
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:08:11] Speaker 3: Like that's the– Like Kirby, you know?
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: Look at how Kirby can talk to them boys, man.
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: Kirby was in the DB room.
[1:08:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Yeah.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: You got to remember, Kirby was in there. I think
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: he left before this, but like Kirby in there with Champ.
[1:08:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
[1:08:29] Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to have to learn some things
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: when you're in those rooms, man. You learn how to
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: talk and move in certain kind of rooms, man.
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: And look, Kirby played, right?
[1:08:37] Speaker 3: That's right. He was a good player. I don't know
[1:08:40] Speaker 3: if he was all SEC, but he was like, you know.
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: I think he was.
[1:08:43] Speaker 3: Was he all SEC? Yeah, he was a very good
[1:08:45] Speaker 3: college football player.
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, Kirby was a good player. Will Muschamp, it didn't
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: seem like it, but he clearly knows some things about
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: talking to these boys.
[1:08:54] Speaker 3: He was in the DB room.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: I mean, look man, I mean, Nick Saban. I mean,
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: it was a different era. But Nick Saban is a
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: DB coach, man.
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: You know? And it gives you a chance.
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: That's why you saw Nick Saban doing line dancing in
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: people's homes and look like he knew all the steps.
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: Like, he didn't know how to walk them through it.
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. We talked about this on
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: here before. He know the Alexa slide. He know the
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: bus stop. He know the Harlem shuffle. He know the
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: cha-cha slide. You ain't sneaking nothing past Nick.
[1:09:21] Speaker 3: Oh, he's seen it all. He's seen it all.
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: At all. And Ryan hit it correctly. Yeah, Kirby Smart
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: is the center of Peyton Manning. Kirby Smart was, as
[1:09:29] Speaker 1: a junior, second team All-SEC. As a senior, first team All-SEC.
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: I knew it was good, man.
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: I mean, Kirby could talk. That pregame speech, man. I
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: guess it was before Florida. I was like, man, that
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: shit got me hype. He got me want to go
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: out there and run into something, you know?
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen. He got it done. But look, that is
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: Joel Anderson, who probably a two maybe on his capability
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: of hating and what he did not do. You know
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You was in a good place today.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: I appreciate you for that.
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: I tried to do the right thing. We had to
[1:10:03] Speaker 2: restart a few times, but that's okay.
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: Always trying something, man. Check out the Ranger Tailgate show.
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: with Joel Anderson, Van Lathan, and Tate Frazier, right? I
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: feel like I got to have Tate on the show
[1:10:15] Speaker 1: at some point. Otherwise, they're going to think I'm discriminating.
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: We could bring Tate on with us. Maybe we could
[1:10:20] Speaker 3: do it that way, too. I ain't going to lie.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: Your co-sign on him is going a long way.
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: I like Tate. He's a good dude, man.
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: That's good to know. That's good to know. It's going
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: a long way. That last name, last name combination. You
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I never know what
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: to do with that.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: Yeah. Like Van said, take out a little shit tool, man.
[1:10:39] Speaker 3: It's all good.
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: Okay. That's good to know. Brother, I appreciate you.
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: Always, brother. Anytime.
[1:10:45] Speaker 1: All right, now, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: joining us here on The Right Time. We do this
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