# Ep. 726: East Coast Fishing and Killing Oaks | MeatEater Radio Live!

An episode of [The MeatEater Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/960902903), 4 Jul 2025, 1 h 18 min.

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Hosts Janis Putelis, Spencer Neuharth, and Austin "Chilly" Chleborad discuss the outdoor win in Pennsylvania and Jani's upcoming 100 mile run, chat with Tony Jackson about the bite in NC, play another round of Fake News, and talk with Jacob Hernandez and Bo Hendrickson of the US Fish and Wildlife Service’s Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program about the oak work they're doing on Jani's Wisconsin property. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Smell us Now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live, coming to you live
[0:29] Speaker 1: for Meat Eaters World Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. It's eleven
[0:33] Speaker 1: am Mountain time on July third. That's eight pm for
[0:36] Speaker 1: Steven Ronella, who's currently in Tanzania. I'm your host, Jiannaspitalis,
[0:41] Speaker 1: and I'm here today with Spencer Newharth aka Booth, and
[0:46] Speaker 1: Austin Kleberad aka Chili. On today's show, We've got big
[0:51] Speaker 1: news out of Pennsylvania. I'll bring you up to speed
[0:53] Speaker 1: on my training for the Crazy Mountain one hundred. We're
[0:56] Speaker 1: getting a fishing report from Tony Jackson on the Crystal Coast,
[1:00] Speaker 1: North Carolina. Tony's also playing one Minute Fishing in the studio.
[1:05] Speaker 1: We'll be playing fake News brought to you by Spencer Newhart.
[1:09] Speaker 1: And lastly we'll talk to Jacob Hernandez and Bo Hendrickson
[1:13] Speaker 1: from the US Fish and Wildlife Services Partners for Fish
[1:16] Speaker 1: and Wildlife program who are on site. It might soon
[1:19] Speaker 1: to be oak Savannah in central Wisconsin, so let's get
[1:24] Speaker 1: right to it. Spencer, how did you get the nickname Booth?
[1:28] Speaker 2: You've been fascinated by this ever since you heard that
[1:31] Speaker 2: was my high school nickname.
[1:32] Speaker 1: Well, I asked everybody their nicknames from high school when
[1:35] Speaker 1: we were for intros for doing roast, but then then
[1:38] Speaker 1: they never really became part of the show. And yeah,
[1:41] Speaker 1: I think that I think you actually told me the story,
[1:43] Speaker 1: but I feel like we should tell the world.
[1:44] Speaker 2: It was just born out of teener baseball. It was
[1:48] Speaker 2: like every single player had to have a nickname, and
[1:51] Speaker 2: I happened to resemble a pitcher for the Minnesota Twins
[1:55] Speaker 2: named Booth Bondser. We both had shaggy haircuts through an
[1:59] Speaker 2: average curveball. You're a I mean you played everyone is
[2:06] Speaker 2: a pitcher in tenor baseball and a town of six
[2:08] Speaker 2: hundred people. So yeah, anyway, just everyone got a nickname.
[2:13] Speaker 2: I was. I was Boof, named after Boof Bondser, and
[2:16] Speaker 2: I don't think that was his real nickname either. He
[2:18] Speaker 2: came over in one of the Minnesota Twins best trades
[2:22] Speaker 2: in franchise history. Yeah, they got Francisco Leriano, Boof Bonser
[2:27] Speaker 2: and Joe Nathan totally like changed the trajectory of their
[2:30] Speaker 2: franchise for a few years. My favorite era of Minnesota
[2:34] Speaker 2: Twins baseball, so that that nickname boof Uh. If I
[2:37] Speaker 2: go back home to where I'm from, that's that's what
[2:40] Speaker 2: I'll get called.
[2:41] Speaker 3: Oh oh, so it has kind of stuck.
[2:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, it sticks, like my my old coaches and teachers
[2:47] Speaker 2: will call me that, my high school buddies, but I don't.
[2:50] Speaker 2: I don't hear it in Montana. Besides Yanni Chilli.
[2:54] Speaker 3: Maybe we should bring that around.
[2:55] Speaker 1: We should.
[2:56] Speaker 2: We should definitely call him booth I did.
[2:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we all know how Chili got his uh nickname.
[3:02] Speaker 2: It's so cold, So what's that? Because he's so cold?
[3:06] Speaker 2: So cold? They used to call me something different back
[3:09] Speaker 2: in the back in Oh what's that?
[3:11] Speaker 4: They used to call me club? And like so like that, Yeah,
[3:16] Speaker 4: call me club. And then so when I go on,
[3:18] Speaker 4: like Spencer was saying, it's just like all like the
[3:21] Speaker 4: coaches and it's like clebby Club. Nobody calls me Chili
[3:25] Speaker 4: from back on Club.
[3:27] Speaker 3: I like it.
[3:28] Speaker 1: Chili's better onwards, Oh, Phil, e're up. Now He's gonna
[3:35] Speaker 1: do a quick plug for the kids show, which is
[3:37] Speaker 1: back in action.
[3:38] Speaker 5: Kids shows, Back in Action. We have a kids show.
[3:40] Speaker 5: It's called the Meat Eater Kids Podcast. It's fitting uh
[3:43] Speaker 5: season three just started. There is one episode out so far. Uh,
[3:48] Speaker 5: it's but the most important thing is that it's on
[3:50] Speaker 5: its own feed, not dropping any episodes on the Meat
[3:53] Speaker 5: Eater podcast feeds. You just have to do the incredibly
[3:56] Speaker 5: hard work of typing in Meat Eater Kids into whatever
[3:59] Speaker 5: app you you and then follow or subscribe.
[4:02] Speaker 6: And yeah, we've got.
[4:04] Speaker 5: Clay doing the first segment instead of Steve the why
[4:07] Speaker 5: It's the Way it Is segment Maggie Headlow's doing. Guess
[4:09] Speaker 5: that Critter and Spencer still in the host chair for
[4:12] Speaker 5: trivia as is appropriate, So.
[4:15] Speaker 6: Check it out.
[4:17] Speaker 5: Another thing, Oh yeah, we're doing five episodes they drop
[4:20] Speaker 5: on Mondays.
[4:21] Speaker 6: That's important.
[4:22] Speaker 2: This isn't a dig at anything else we do. I
[4:24] Speaker 2: think it's the best thing we make on the podcast front.
[4:28] Speaker 5: It's I mean, it's definitely. Yeah, it stands on its
[4:30] Speaker 5: own it's it's I mean, it's fun for me to
[4:32] Speaker 5: work on.
[4:33] Speaker 6: I like it a lot as.
[4:33] Speaker 2: Well, similar similar to radio, fil gets to really flick
[4:37] Speaker 2: flex his engineering audio muscles because there's all sorts of
[4:41] Speaker 2: fun sounds in there.
[4:42] Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. I just either I
[4:45] Speaker 5: felt something on my neck and I just went to
[4:47] Speaker 5: go smack it, and then you see.
[4:51] Speaker 2: The second one here today is filled with blood film.
[4:54] Speaker 6: Probably not. I don't think that's all mine could be though, Oh.
[4:58] Speaker 3: We're sharing diseases.
[5:00] Speaker 2: Probably two mosquitos in the podcast studio.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, with us a very short time period. I feel
[5:05] Speaker 1: like in and around Bozeman with the Skeeter season like
[5:09] Speaker 1: one to two weeks. And I noticed it last night
[5:11] Speaker 1: on on I was shooting some arrows right at dusk
[5:14] Speaker 1: at my house and I was getting annoyed. I was thinking,
[5:17] Speaker 1: this will last another few days, it'll be over.
[5:19] Speaker 3: You feel that way too.
[5:20] Speaker 2: I feel like I don't encounter it in the valley
[5:22] Speaker 2: as much as if I like get near water in
[5:25] Speaker 2: the mountains. That's the worst mosquitoes in my life.
[5:29] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, But again I don't think it's it
[5:31] Speaker 1: doesn't last forever, because as soon as it sort of
[5:33] Speaker 1: starts to get dry, they tend to just, I don't know,
[5:37] Speaker 1: beeter out.
[5:38] Speaker 5: And I've got one other thing to mention before before
[5:40] Speaker 5: we move on some housekeeping. We're going through some internet
[5:42] Speaker 5: woes here at those mean HQ. Internet's been dropping out
[5:46] Speaker 5: actually around this time, almost every single day. If the
[5:49] Speaker 5: internet does drop out, and you lose the feed. We
[5:51] Speaker 5: will be back in about two to three minutes, so
[5:52] Speaker 5: don't go anywhere. We're talking to tech people trying trying
[5:57] Speaker 5: to fix it. But if that does happen, the show's
[5:59] Speaker 5: not over. We'll just disappear for about two minutes and
[6:02] Speaker 5: then pop back up.
[6:02] Speaker 2: Phil, you know technology, Why eleven am? Like, what's going
[6:06] Speaker 2: on there?
[6:06] Speaker 5: It's eleven am when technology, I've got no clue. Spencer,
[6:09] Speaker 5: I have no idea.
[6:10] Speaker 2: No, it should be fixed, though, Phil, we should go Chili.
[6:14] Speaker 5: Chili made some calls and uh and so hopefully hopefully
[6:17] Speaker 5: everything's working well where we're kind of just troubleshooting and
[6:20] Speaker 5: see if it works.
[6:21] Speaker 1: But so far, so good. Let's keep it going and
[6:24] Speaker 1: get everything knocked out. In case it does drop out,
[6:26] Speaker 1: at least we'll get most of the showed none all right,
[6:29] Speaker 1: huge win in Pennsylvania. A statement released by the Pennsylvania
[6:33] Speaker 1: Chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglos reads, for over a century,
[6:38] Speaker 1: Pennsylvania hunters have been shut out of the woods for
[6:40] Speaker 1: half the weekend. With the passage of House Bill one
[6:44] Speaker 1: four three to one that can finally change putting decisions
[6:47] Speaker 1: about hunting seasons in the hands of wildlife managers not
[6:51] Speaker 1: outdated blue laws. Since twenty seventeen, Pennsylvania backcountry hunters and
[6:55] Speaker 1: Anglos has led the charge for the long overdue reform.
[6:58] Speaker 1: It's a major win for access, especially for working families
[7:02] Speaker 1: and public land hunters. Yeah, if you were living under
[7:04] Speaker 1: a rock, you could not hunt on Sundays in Pennsylvania.
[7:09] Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how many years that law has
[7:11] Speaker 1: been around, but a long time. Many generations of Pennsylvania hunters.
[7:15] Speaker 2: So insane that it's just incredibly antiquated that in twenty
[7:20] Speaker 2: twenty five that would still exist. And I felt like
[7:22] Speaker 2: they've been creeping towards this, like they allowed it. I
[7:26] Speaker 2: don't know their history totally, but it was like one
[7:28] Speaker 2: Sunday all of a sudden, and then it was like
[7:30] Speaker 2: on private land or so that's right now. It seems
[7:33] Speaker 2: on July first, a few days ago, it reached Governor
[7:36] Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro's desk, and if he signs it, then seems
[7:40] Speaker 2: like Sunday hunting is fully in action in Pennsylvania.
[7:44] Speaker 5: Really the only pushback on it, and I only know
[7:46] Speaker 5: this because I just got done editing Cal's podcast that's
[7:48] Speaker 5: dropping on Monday. It's just people other recreation old like
[7:54] Speaker 5: people who don't hunt but are outdoors like hikers being like, oh,
[7:56] Speaker 5: I'm gonna feel unsafe in the woods on Sundays, Like
[7:59] Speaker 5: Sunday has been my safe day to go.
[8:01] Speaker 6: Hiking, and that's that's kind of the only knock that.
[8:04] Speaker 1: Well, they will realize that Sunday will still be a
[8:07] Speaker 1: safe day.
[8:08] Speaker 6: I think they will.
[8:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, Chillie got anything to say about that? Have you
[8:12] Speaker 1: ever experience Have you ever hunted in Pennsylvania?
[8:14] Speaker 6: I have not.
[8:15] Speaker 1: No.
[8:16] Speaker 4: I mean the only experience I have with Pennsylvania is
[8:18] Speaker 4: when we did the Meat Eater Live tour and we
[8:21] Speaker 4: just went over to Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh, but like, yeah,
[8:24] Speaker 4: never got to explore outside. I want to Seth keeps
[8:26] Speaker 4: talking about white til hunting over there, sounds pretty pilling.
[8:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, now that we can hunt Sundays, I'm definitely more interested.
[8:33] Speaker 2: We got a Slack message saying the internet is down?
[8:35] Speaker 2: Are you noticing that? Phil?
[8:37] Speaker 3: Oh? No, I'm not.
[8:39] Speaker 6: As far as I can tell.
[8:40] Speaker 5: We're still live, and I think the viewers will let
[8:43] Speaker 5: us know in the chat.
[8:44] Speaker 2: I think Corey's just trying to stir the pot because
[8:47] Speaker 2: he tried to scare us.
[8:50] Speaker 1: All right, Crazy Mountain one hundred exactly three day, three weeks,
[8:55] Speaker 1: one day from today, I'm going to start on my
[8:58] Speaker 1: little endeavor run one hundred miles in a row. I
[9:01] Speaker 1: got forty miles with a bunch of elevation this weekend,
[9:06] Speaker 1: and then I'm tapering all the way to the finish.
[9:08] Speaker 1: That's how I'm looking at it. You guys know what
[9:10] Speaker 1: taper means. To taper when you're like like getting.
[9:14] Speaker 2: Where it tapers and it gets skinnier at the end.
[9:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right to me. It's actually the hardest part
[9:22] Speaker 1: of this whole business I've done. This is like, I
[9:25] Speaker 1: don't know, three or four of these longer distances, and
[9:29] Speaker 1: after this weekend, I'm going to basically be after a
[9:32] Speaker 1: couple of days of rest, I'll be at the peak
[9:34] Speaker 1: sort of you know, performance peak feeling that I'll be
[9:39] Speaker 1: the whole time okay, And your brain's ready to run,
[9:42] Speaker 1: your legs are ready to run, and then you're like, oh,
[9:46] Speaker 1: I have to just chill for two weeks basically and wait,
[9:49] Speaker 1: because you know, the hope is that you're going to
[9:52] Speaker 1: rest some more and just really come into it full,
[9:55] Speaker 1: you know, full, full speed ahead. But Brad is asking
[9:58] Speaker 1: ca this was your first ultra?
[10:00] Speaker 2: Honest?
[10:00] Speaker 6: Is it fifty considered an ultra? It is one hundred.
[10:03] Speaker 1: I think I have Googled it once and I was
[10:06] Speaker 1: told we don't google anymore. Now you got to what's
[10:08] Speaker 1: the new thing that you gotta do instead of Google?
[10:11] Speaker 2: GPT?
[10:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, chat GPT. But anything over twenty six point two,
[10:15] Speaker 1: So anything over at marathon I think is considered ultra.
[10:19] Speaker 1: So this will be my third I've done two fifties. Sorry, fourth,
[10:23] Speaker 1: I've done a thirty one mile er two fifties, and
[10:27] Speaker 1: they h this will be my first hundred.
[10:29] Speaker 2: How often do you check in with your coach?
[10:32] Speaker 1: Oh, once every two weeks probably, but she, uh, you know,
[10:37] Speaker 1: she has my schedule, training schedule, you know, written out,
[10:41] Speaker 1: usually one.
[10:42] Speaker 3: To two weeks out.
[10:43] Speaker 2: Do you pay her?
[10:44] Speaker 1: Yes, I pay her and get a gym membership at
[10:48] Speaker 1: the same time at the Mountain Project.
[10:50] Speaker 2: Okay, how many other people is she coaching for a
[10:53] Speaker 2: run like this?
[10:55] Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she has I know
[10:57] Speaker 1: for sure she has one on one other guy that's
[11:00] Speaker 1: doing one hundred, but I don't know how many total.
[11:03] Speaker 1: So they call him online clients because they have like
[11:06] Speaker 1: in house clients too. But I'm what they call an
[11:09] Speaker 1: online client, so I don't get that much really one
[11:12] Speaker 1: on one time with it. Like, we've never been on
[11:15] Speaker 1: a run together. We've been trying to kind of plan one,
[11:17] Speaker 1: but we've never done it. Okay, all right, so I'm
[11:20] Speaker 1: feeling good. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
[11:23] Speaker 1: My goal is to finish.
[11:24] Speaker 2: Look good, looks strong today, Jannie.
[11:26] Speaker 1: Look yeah, well, i'd like to feel I like to
[11:28] Speaker 1: be that way at the end of this race.
[11:30] Speaker 3: All right.
[11:31] Speaker 1: A couple of meat Eater Store highlights. If you're into
[11:34] Speaker 1: the Gnome T shirt thing that we got going, We've
[11:39] Speaker 1: just released a Gnome angling a Megalodon t shirt, but
[11:42] Speaker 1: it's almost sold out, so if you're looking to get one,
[11:45] Speaker 1: get after it. The next Nome T shirt will launch
[11:47] Speaker 1: at the end of July's keep your eyes open for that.
[11:52] Speaker 1: The meat Eater Store is having a summer sale July
[11:55] Speaker 1: eight till eleven, and the theme is summer cooking. Some
[12:00] Speaker 1: of the items that are gonna be on sale select
[12:02] Speaker 1: cookbooks twenty five percent off. This is the deal century
[12:05] Speaker 1: right here, bench made meatcraft or two point zero forty
[12:08] Speaker 1: percent off. It's almost half off, Spencer and fire Breather
[12:12] Speaker 1: hot sauces are half off, which I really I really like.
[12:16] Speaker 1: That's one of the cooking like seasoning cooking things.
[12:19] Speaker 6: I'm a huge fan of it as well.
[12:20] Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's like got a really nice flavor. H
[12:23] Speaker 2: I feels kind of a hot sauce snob.
[12:25] Speaker 5: I wouldn't say snob. I am reping that. I am
[12:28] Speaker 5: repping a Hook and Arrow hot Sauce shirt today. Shout
[12:30] Speaker 5: out to those guys because the last time I complained
[12:31] Speaker 5: about having to pay for the fire Breather sauce, the
[12:34] Speaker 5: Hook and Arrow guys who are fans of the show
[12:36] Speaker 5: heard me and sent me a bunch of hot sauce.
[12:38] Speaker 5: So thank you to And they've got hot sauce on
[12:39] Speaker 5: hot ones this season. Very exciting last them.
[12:42] Speaker 3: Oh good.
[12:42] Speaker 2: Oh I never thought about how that could be really.
[12:47] Speaker 3: Hot sauce company show on you like that?
[12:52] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[12:52] Speaker 2: When I see clips from that, I wonder, I say, who,
[12:54] Speaker 2: I says to myself, who watches this?
[12:57] Speaker 1: You ever?
[12:58] Speaker 2: I know, I know that's what blows my mind feels.
[13:00] Speaker 2: It's like the most popular on it was great.
[13:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[13:03] Speaker 2: Do you see the caliber of people that have Yes, I.
[13:05] Speaker 5: See all the clips from have you not stapped through
[13:06] Speaker 5: like a whole episode though, because it's made really really well,
[13:09] Speaker 5: and Sean asked like some really interesting questions.
[13:12] Speaker 2: Okay, I trust you, Phil. Now I'm gonna check out
[13:15] Speaker 2: I see I see the clips online.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Yes, And I think the key is is to watch
[13:19] Speaker 1: it all the way through, because you get to see
[13:21] Speaker 1: the progression and just how the two things that interview
[13:24] Speaker 1: and then like the effect of hot Sauce intermingle and
[13:27] Speaker 1: it's just like a weird, wacky idea and they execute
[13:30] Speaker 1: it so well.
[13:31] Speaker 2: I've seen Sean on other shows where he gets interviewed,
[13:35] Speaker 2: and he had talked about famously DJ Khaled did he
[13:38] Speaker 2: have an episode.
[13:40] Speaker 5: One of the first episodes, he chickened out after two
[13:42] Speaker 5: or three hot sauces. I don't remember if he walked
[13:45] Speaker 5: off the set, but basically was just like, no, I'm done.
[13:47] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[13:47] Speaker 2: I think I think he had said he ate like
[13:49] Speaker 2: a big ass launch before that and then well and
[13:52] Speaker 2: they like warned him to like do not do that,
[13:54] Speaker 2: and then he did it anyway and just did not
[13:57] Speaker 2: participate hardly that that specific So that would be interested in.
[14:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you find it, share it with me please,
[14:06] Speaker 1: all right. Finally, the end of our little chit chat
[14:11] Speaker 1: here up top. Some of you might be wondering, where's Randal,
[14:16] Speaker 1: How is Randal? What's he up to?
[14:18] Speaker 3: Were you thinking that?
[14:20] Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, folks, he's on vacation in Germany,
[14:25] Speaker 1: and today we have our first installment of Randall does Europe.
[14:34] Speaker 3: Let's see the clip bill.
[14:37] Speaker 5: Hello friend, Cerral pal doctor Randall recording live on tape
[14:42] Speaker 5: delay from Europe.
[14:44] Speaker 2: You've got a voice not here. It's a lovely Austrian
[14:49] Speaker 2: treat and I just wanted to give you a quick
[14:52] Speaker 2: update on how my vacation's going. So fall along and
[14:57] Speaker 2: I think you'll enjoy this.
[15:01] Speaker 7: Boop did.
[16:19] Speaker 6: Incredible?
[16:21] Speaker 1: What treasure that man is not a.
[16:26] Speaker 2: Folks who are only listening? That was two minutes of
[16:28] Speaker 2: Randall just eating hot dogs and sausages in Europe.
[16:32] Speaker 5: Yes, Cody says that Randall Randall is the most successful
[16:36] Speaker 5: homeless person in history.
[16:39] Speaker 2: I noticed some of those clips he was wearing the
[16:42] Speaker 2: same outfit, so he was he was going double meal
[16:45] Speaker 2: of sausage in some of those days.
[16:47] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's gonna have to five to seven
[16:50] Speaker 5: day recovery period and he comes back.
[16:51] Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember he's travel in Europe. So he's
[16:54] Speaker 1: probably wearing the same outfit several days.
[16:57] Speaker 2: Well, then he styled his hair the same he he
[16:59] Speaker 2: did everything the same on those true.
[17:02] Speaker 1: It was funny because we were slacking with Randall and
[17:05] Speaker 1: I think ChIL you asked him, like if he had
[17:07] Speaker 1: hiked those hot dogs up to the top of that mountain?
[17:10] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[17:10] Speaker 4: Well, like, uh, I he texted us that video one
[17:14] Speaker 4: of the little montage he had there, and I was like,
[17:17] Speaker 4: did you hike that thing up there? Because I could
[17:19] Speaker 4: definitely see you packing a hot dog, hiking to the
[17:22] Speaker 4: top of a mountain and then sitting down and eating it.
[17:25] Speaker 4: But now there's like a little little uh stand up there.
[17:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:28] Speaker 1: And his answer was no, Europe is the best place ever.
[17:31] Speaker 1: They just have cabins on top of mountains that serve
[17:35] Speaker 1: beer and sausages.
[17:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes me want to go now.
[17:39] Speaker 1: No, hey, wherever he is, I want to go and
[17:42] Speaker 1: experience that. That looks delicious.
[17:44] Speaker 2: Does that you have a real sausage culture.
[17:49] Speaker 3: No, No, they make some sausages.
[17:52] Speaker 2: There's like dumpling adjacent things.
[17:54] Speaker 1: Perogi's a little bit man, it's uh it's bland food
[18:00] Speaker 1: like nice, It's very yeah, like sauer kraut. Giant hunks
[18:07] Speaker 1: of pork cooked slow. It's not too exciting. But I
[18:12] Speaker 1: think also like the same way it was for hunting
[18:15] Speaker 1: over there in the hunting traditions, right, like having being
[18:22] Speaker 1: you know not Latvia and being occupied for so many years,
[18:26] Speaker 1: Like they kind of just beat that stuff out of you. Right,
[18:29] Speaker 1: So because you're not allowed to celebrate being a Latvian,
[18:32] Speaker 1: you can't sing your own songs, you can't eat your
[18:34] Speaker 1: own food, you can't you know, pray in church in
[18:36] Speaker 1: your own language. Right, all that stuff is beaten out
[18:39] Speaker 1: of you. And so now they've been free since ninety one,
[18:42] Speaker 1: it's sort of probably like hopefully that stuff will come
[18:45] Speaker 1: back around and somebody will find old versions of you know,
[18:49] Speaker 1: Latvian food and it'll become a thing again. But it
[18:52] Speaker 1: takes time. Man, Like that place is they sort of
[18:56] Speaker 1: lose your identity when you're occupied for so long, you know.
[18:59] Speaker 2: It's on you. You get you got to help do that totally, totally.
[19:03] Speaker 1: Luckily I have peers that are over there and doing that. Okay,
[19:10] Speaker 1: our next segment is one minute Fishing, Phil, Do I
[19:14] Speaker 1: feel lucky?
[19:15] Speaker 2: We'll do you bunk, go ahead, make my cast. One
[19:22] Speaker 2: minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's
[19:24] Speaker 2: fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
[19:26] Speaker 2: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
[19:29] Speaker 2: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is
[19:32] Speaker 2: Tony Jackson from Finnchasers USA in North Carolina, and he's
[19:36] Speaker 2: fishing for a donation to the Coastal Conservation Association. Tony,
[19:40] Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
[19:43] Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on, guys? Thanks for having me Tony?
[19:46] Speaker 1: Honest here, it's been Has it been two years or
[19:49] Speaker 1: three years since we fish together?
[19:52] Speaker 8: I would say it's been at least two it could
[19:55] Speaker 8: be three.
[19:56] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[19:56] Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of fishing with Tony and uh
[19:59] Speaker 1: my father in law, his neighbor, Steve pif First shout
[20:02] Speaker 1: out to Steve, who's According to Steve, he's still out
[20:04] Speaker 1: there hammering away. Have you seen him lately?
[20:07] Speaker 8: Yeah, he's still catching fish.
[20:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, at the ripe old age of eighty, multiple back
[20:12] Speaker 1: surgeries and he's still he's not letting down. Man.
[20:15] Speaker 3: He likes to set the hook.
[20:17] Speaker 8: Ye, I feel bad for the local panfish population.
[20:20] Speaker 2: Tell me about your day of fishing with Tony. Yanni.
[20:24] Speaker 1: We were I think pretty much solely targeting redfish, and
[20:28] Speaker 1: we were using cut bait under where we fishing popping corks, Tony,
[20:33] Speaker 1: I believe under popping corks. Yeah, and uh yeah. It
[20:38] Speaker 1: was like often it is with redfish. If you're off
[20:41] Speaker 1: the mark by ten feet with your cast, there's like
[20:44] Speaker 1: no bite. But if you put it in the spot, man,
[20:46] Speaker 1: it was a fish almost every single cast. So I
[20:49] Speaker 1: don't know how many we caught that day, but it
[20:51] Speaker 1: was quite a few. How's the fishing been lately out there?
[20:57] Speaker 8: Redfish fights just now starting to pick up. It off
[21:00] Speaker 8: a little slow for us this year. Typically by May
[21:03] Speaker 8: we're wide open and and this year it kind.
[21:05] Speaker 6: Of they trickled in.
[21:07] Speaker 3: But the shrimp, the shrimp are pretty thick in the
[21:10] Speaker 3: river and this bull of shad and mullet. So what
[21:14] Speaker 3: do you what do you think?
[21:15] Speaker 1: What do you think caused that slow start?
[21:19] Speaker 8: I'm not real sure. I know we had a we
[21:21] Speaker 8: had a pretty cold winter. We had a big freeze.
[21:23] Speaker 8: I don't know if that put a dent into it
[21:25] Speaker 8: or if it's just one of those years where that happens.
[21:28] Speaker 8: I think it's possibly the freeze, because we did have
[21:30] Speaker 8: other areas like out in the Noose River, the bike
[21:33] Speaker 8: was a little bit better, so they were a little
[21:34] Speaker 8: less impacted. But but here inshore, it's just it was
[21:37] Speaker 8: kind of slow.
[21:38] Speaker 1: But so if someone's out there gonna try to go
[21:41] Speaker 1: get into some red fish themselves or anything else, I
[21:44] Speaker 1: guess for that matter in that area, what what would
[21:47] Speaker 1: you recommend they fish with?
[21:50] Speaker 8: But if they wanted to fish with artificial baits, it's
[21:54] Speaker 8: hard to hard to pass up a top water I'd
[21:57] Speaker 8: rather catch one fish on top water than than in
[22:00] Speaker 8: on a soft plastic or live bait. Personally, I'm a
[22:03] Speaker 8: big fan of the mirror or top water baits, and
[22:06] Speaker 8: you could kind of get away with with just two.
[22:09] Speaker 8: You have the the top puff and then you have
[22:11] Speaker 8: the sheep up, the top puff being a quiet version
[22:14] Speaker 8: and then the sheep up being very loud.
[22:18] Speaker 2: Tony, is there is there any conventional wisdom about what
[22:21] Speaker 2: redfish do like before during after a hurricane? Does the
[22:25] Speaker 2: fishing improve or does it get worse? What happens?
[22:28] Speaker 8: The fishing definitely improves before and leading right up right
[22:32] Speaker 8: up to it, and even during it. If it's not
[22:34] Speaker 8: that that as significant of a storm, I think you're
[22:39] Speaker 8: following barometric pressure just like any other animal movements.
[22:42] Speaker 6: It turns them on, assess them on the feed.
[22:45] Speaker 8: Now, the post storm, once it goes by, if you
[22:49] Speaker 8: have the rise and pressure, it can shut them down.
[22:52] Speaker 1: But then after it's gone by, been.
[22:54] Speaker 8: Passed for a couple of days, I've had some really
[22:56] Speaker 8: good experiences.
[22:59] Speaker 2: So what do we think fishing for today?
[23:00] Speaker 1: Then?
[23:02] Speaker 8: Well, this morning our trip was for red fish. But uh,
[23:05] Speaker 8: for my one minute, I'm gonna try to catch any.
[23:08] Speaker 2: Fish, okay, and using what to do it? So cutman Hayden,
[23:14] Speaker 2: all right, So what what are our possibilities there? When
[23:17] Speaker 2: you say catch any fish?
[23:20] Speaker 8: Uh, pinfish, spot, croaker, possibly red fish.
[23:27] Speaker 3: This would be the the most likely.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Have you pre fished this spot? Are you feeling pretty confident?
[23:33] Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about it.
[23:34] Speaker 9: I haven't pre fished it.
[23:35] Speaker 8: We did fish it this morning and there were a
[23:37] Speaker 8: lot of pinfish and crokers here.
[23:41] Speaker 3: Picked up one red fish out of it.
[23:42] Speaker 2: But okay, Tony, well you're one minute of fishing starts
[23:47] Speaker 2: when you make that first cast. All right, he's decked
[23:53] Speaker 2: out for the fourth of July. I got a red
[23:54] Speaker 2: wine and blue hat on. Just look familiar to you, Yanni?
[24:00] Speaker 2: Is this where you went fishing?
[24:02] Speaker 1: Man? Uh, I'm sure it's not too far. Oh, he's
[24:08] Speaker 1: got it cast in. Timers started.
[24:11] Speaker 2: There's no retrieve happening. Oh, he said to he got it.
[24:18] Speaker 1: He We are ten seconds in and he is setting
[24:22] Speaker 1: the hook on a fish.
[24:24] Speaker 3: Oh video hitch.
[24:26] Speaker 1: Oh he's actually taking drag.
[24:30] Speaker 2: Maybe that's just for the drama. Does he have to
[24:32] Speaker 2: land it in it within a minute as long as
[24:33] Speaker 2: you hook up. He took quite the same for the
[24:35] Speaker 2: next ten minutes. You'll just sit here and watch him.
[24:37] Speaker 3: All right.
[24:38] Speaker 2: I don't see a net appearing. He's gonna swing it
[24:41] Speaker 2: into the boat.
[24:42] Speaker 1: Come on? Oh what did he get?
[24:44] Speaker 10: Oh?
[24:45] Speaker 1: What is that?
[24:46] Speaker 3: Of course it.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Was the oysters.
[24:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought he had a fish and it was uh,
[24:58] Speaker 2: this is stand about ten seconds up.
[25:00] Speaker 1: Here, Come on, Tony, ten seconds let's go. Oh, you
[25:04] Speaker 1: just gotta hook him.
[25:07] Speaker 2: All right, Tony, tell us, tell us what happened there.
[25:09] Speaker 2: We we couldn't see it very well. What what did
[25:11] Speaker 2: you reel in?
[25:12] Speaker 7: Well?
[25:13] Speaker 8: I reiled in an oyster, I cast out and got
[25:16] Speaker 8: the pinfish were all over it as soon as it
[25:18] Speaker 8: hit the water, and we're pecking away at it, and
[25:21] Speaker 8: I set the hook and it it.
[25:22] Speaker 1: Jerked back, but it ended up not being a Damn.
[25:27] Speaker 2: At what point did you know those were oysters on
[25:29] Speaker 2: there when you saw him?
[25:31] Speaker 8: No, whenever I felt the rod, there was just a heavy,
[25:35] Speaker 8: slow pull back.
[25:37] Speaker 2: Damn. One minute fishing again, there was even some drag
[25:44] Speaker 2: being taken. We thought we had a big fishing.
[25:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, those oysters.
[25:48] Speaker 8: Will get in the getting the current with the tide
[25:50] Speaker 8: and they'll pull back.
[25:54] Speaker 1: All right, Well, Tony, tell us if if someone wants
[25:57] Speaker 1: to get out on a charter with you, if they're
[25:59] Speaker 1: in that Beaufort, North Carolina area, how do they find you?
[26:04] Speaker 8: They can find me on Facebook at Fenn Chaser's USA,
[26:07] Speaker 8: Instagram at finn Chasers USA, and I have a website
[26:10] Speaker 8: It's www dot FANCHASERSUSA dot com and they can reach
[26:14] Speaker 8: out to me on my phone.
[26:16] Speaker 3: Two eight seven.
[26:19] Speaker 1: All right, you got any openings uh coming coming up
[26:22] Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks? I'm going I'm guessing
[26:24] Speaker 1: you're pretty booked.
[26:25] Speaker 8: I am pretty booked the next couple of weeks, but
[26:28] Speaker 8: there's some opening sprinkled in all right.
[26:30] Speaker 3: Cool?
[26:30] Speaker 1: Well, thanks for participating, Thanks for the fish and report, Tony.
[26:33] Speaker 1: Thanks Tony, thanks for having me.
[26:36] Speaker 2: I saw some folks in the chant asking if anyone
[26:38] Speaker 2: has ever been successful. The answer is yes, Yanni was successful.
[26:43] Speaker 6: He was also chobving pretty hard.
[26:44] Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, we'll take it for the good conservation.
[26:47] Speaker 2: Pat Dirkin success in Idaho, we had Chester was successful
[26:52] Speaker 2: ice fishing in Wisconsin. So it has happened.
[26:56] Speaker 5: We've got a lot of people in the chat saying
[26:58] Speaker 5: that that should get Yeah, says there's there's nothing in
[27:00] Speaker 5: the rule book that says it needs to be pelagic.
[27:02] Speaker 6: Shellfish has fish in the name.
[27:05] Speaker 2: I don't know meat either hasn't made a donation for
[27:07] Speaker 2: this in a while, so we could probably make that happen.
[27:10] Speaker 3: Yeah, votes for your votes for Tony the host.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Uh yeah, let's do it. U five hundred dollars.
[27:19] Speaker 1: But does anybody remember what he told me? Now?
[27:21] Speaker 3: It was it was.
[27:22] Speaker 2: The Coastal Conservation Association fishing with kids. It was catching
[27:27] Speaker 2: for kids, catching for kids, catching for kids.
[27:29] Speaker 5: Okay, we'll have to let him know because he's gone.
[27:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred, Tony. You the chat room says you
[27:36] Speaker 1: should win, So we're gonna give it to.
[27:37] Speaker 2: Your It was a live animal that has the word fish.
[27:42] Speaker 5: The only person that's against it right now is Corey Culkins.
[27:44] Speaker 6: I you know, get out of here, Corey.
[27:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on the end of the hook on
[27:51] Speaker 2: his fishing rod. Five hundred dollars for the shellfish catch,
[27:56] Speaker 2: going to who.
[27:57] Speaker 3: Yanni Catching for Kids.
[27:59] Speaker 1: And it looks like they are out of that same
[28:01] Speaker 1: area of Beaufort, North Carolina and the Crystal Coast there,
[28:07] Speaker 1: and yeah, you can help him out. It looks like
[28:10] Speaker 1: they take donations, purchase rod's reels, tackle, they give out
[28:16] Speaker 1: like they do like adopt a family for Christmas and
[28:19] Speaker 1: give out that kind of stuff.
[28:21] Speaker 2: On that note, some kid would have been very excited
[28:23] Speaker 2: to catch that hunk of clams. Oh yeah, because it
[28:27] Speaker 2: wasn't just one.
[28:28] Speaker 3: Okay.
[28:28] Speaker 1: It says right here their goal children spending quality time outdoors,
[28:32] Speaker 1: enjoying fishing and all the water has to offer. I
[28:36] Speaker 1: can't say no to that.
[28:37] Speaker 2: That's right, meat eater, can't take it back now.
[28:40] Speaker 5: Five hundred dollars, Corey says. Chat GPT says a shellfish
[28:43] Speaker 5: is not a fish. That's more of a reason to
[28:45] Speaker 5: stay away from chat Ep.
[28:46] Speaker 2: That's right.
[28:47] Speaker 3: I wonder where Cory is right now, Probably a river.
[28:50] Speaker 5: He's just jealous that he's after his embarrassing look on
[28:53] Speaker 5: the pond in the back.
[28:54] Speaker 6: These last few weeks.
[29:00] Speaker 2: What else we got Phil for listener feedback?
[29:02] Speaker 6: It's some feedback here. Let's do it.
[29:05] Speaker 5: Titus asks, here's a question for the crew. Which is
[29:07] Speaker 5: harder finding a matching set of shed antlers, an antler deadhead,
[29:11] Speaker 5: or shooting a buck?
[29:13] Speaker 2: If I were to rank those things, shooting a buck easiest,
[29:19] Speaker 2: finding an antler deadhead, second easiest finding a matching set
[29:23] Speaker 2: of shed antlers third agreed.
[29:26] Speaker 3: I agree with you.
[29:28] Speaker 2: I've found many of dead heads that have both antlers,
[29:32] Speaker 2: but as far as matching sets go, I have three.
[29:36] Speaker 2: I think I've never found them. Is your Is your
[29:40] Speaker 2: Wisconsin property good for shed? Honey? Some properties are are
[29:44] Speaker 2: set up real well.
[29:45] Speaker 1: In other way they're not. I'm this is This would
[29:48] Speaker 1: be a nice segue if we were going right to this.
[29:51] Speaker 1: But the my oak Savannah supposedly they love dropping their
[29:55] Speaker 1: antlers in that tall in that tall grass, so maybe
[29:59] Speaker 1: it'll be come that way. I think that we've I
[30:02] Speaker 1: found one shed this year when I was there turkey hunting.
[30:06] Speaker 1: I would overall say no. Although my dad did find
[30:11] Speaker 1: a matching set, it took him over the course of
[30:14] Speaker 1: a whole year to find the other side, but he
[30:16] Speaker 1: did find both sides, and that was that big old
[30:19] Speaker 1: giant that you know, just the antlers themselves, no spread.
[30:23] Speaker 3: Credit was.
[30:25] Speaker 1: Like almost one eighty wow, yeah without spread?
[30:31] Speaker 2: Yeah you got to show me these antlers.
[30:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have they're in at my dad's house,
[30:36] Speaker 1: but I can have some pictures.
[30:38] Speaker 3: I can show you.
[30:39] Speaker 2: One eighty without spread. So if he had an eighteen
[30:43] Speaker 2: inch spread, he's almost a two hundred inch year.
[30:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a giant. He was. We haven't seen him
[30:47] Speaker 3: now for a couple three years.
[30:49] Speaker 2: Who measured this year? You?
[30:51] Speaker 3: I did?
[30:52] Speaker 2: Wow? One eight? How have you not shown me these things?
[30:57] Speaker 3: I figured I have.
[30:58] Speaker 1: I've shown all my whitesel fanatic friends not at all,
[31:02] Speaker 1: but I guess not you.
[31:03] Speaker 2: What's what's he got going on? How many points?
[31:05] Speaker 1: He's actually just a main frame eight? But he's got
[31:08] Speaker 1: incredible uh brow times the year that we found the shof.
[31:12] Speaker 2: Main frame eight going one hundred and eighty inches.
[31:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean impossible, I mean he's got like you're certain,
[31:18] Speaker 1: I mean he's well. Again, it depends on what counts
[31:22] Speaker 1: his main frame and what what you'd count as like
[31:24] Speaker 1: an inline sticker, but like, yeah, when you look at him,
[31:27] Speaker 1: you're like, oh no, he's not a ten point it's
[31:29] Speaker 1: just like but he looks incredibly massive because he's like
[31:32] Speaker 1: his brow times or is probably almost as long as
[31:35] Speaker 1: his longest you know, regular times G two and three.
[31:39] Speaker 2: But he could have ten inches of stickers and that
[31:43] Speaker 2: would still be like an unbelievable four by four.
[31:46] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm I'm happy to show you his place, multiple
[31:50] Speaker 1: pictures of him.
[31:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I am mildly skeptical. Okay, one hundred eighty
[31:55] Speaker 2: inches without spread. Okay, I hope you're accurate. It. I
[32:00] Speaker 2: hope it's right.
[32:02] Speaker 1: I even went through a scoring app with with the
[32:06] Speaker 1: with the buck and uh like a an it, and
[32:11] Speaker 1: I came up with roughly the same answer.
[32:14] Speaker 5: Will asks have you guys ever battered and fried trout
[32:17] Speaker 5: file atse? He says, everyone tells him he's crazy to
[32:20] Speaker 5: do it.
[32:22] Speaker 2: I have not.
[32:23] Speaker 1: I have. Uh, they're crazy to think that you can't
[32:26] Speaker 1: batter and uh and fry anything out there. I recently
[32:32] Speaker 1: heard that, you know, Greece is the great American equalizer.
[32:36] Speaker 3: I love that saying.
[32:37] Speaker 1: Who said that? I don't know where I where I
[32:40] Speaker 1: picked that up, but uh, yeah, man, I've totally done
[32:44] Speaker 1: just straight up deep fried trout nothing wrong with it,
[32:48] Speaker 1: you know. Just make sure you do a good job
[32:49] Speaker 1: getting your getting the uh the bones out of it,
[32:53] Speaker 1: and you'll have a tasty meal.
[32:55] Speaker 5: Now we move on to Spencer's accessory corners. First, Spencer
[33:01] Speaker 5: version two point zero asks Spencer, where can I buy
[33:03] Speaker 5: that hat?
[33:04] Speaker 6: That thing is awesome?
[33:04] Speaker 2: Oh, the meat Eater store them meadeater dot com. Maybe
[33:09] Speaker 2: maybe store dot them medeater dot com. This is one
[33:11] Speaker 2: of our new offerings. I think our merch has gotten
[33:14] Speaker 2: so strong.
[33:15] Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's improved tenfold the last couple of years.
[33:19] Speaker 2: This hat is a good example of that. It's got
[33:22] Speaker 2: a bison on it. Yanni said, this is what the
[33:24] Speaker 2: cool kids wearing now, these hats.
[33:26] Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
[33:26] Speaker 1: The little rope on it kind of sits a little
[33:29] Speaker 1: bit high. Yeah, I don't really like the way they
[33:31] Speaker 1: fit on me. But Laura Mascari, I believe that's how
[33:35] Speaker 1: you say her name, was running our merch program these days.
[33:38] Speaker 1: She said, it made me look young. So here I
[33:40] Speaker 1: am again.
[33:41] Speaker 2: There you go. I think of our of our improved
[33:44] Speaker 2: merch offerings, hat is at the top of the list,
[33:47] Speaker 2: and we all three have some of our new hats
[33:49] Speaker 2: on today.
[33:51] Speaker 5: The second question in the Spencer accessory corner comes from Mogor. Yeah, Spencer,
[33:55] Speaker 5: my girlfriend says, you've got the coolest notebook sticker she's
[33:58] Speaker 5: ever seen.
[33:58] Speaker 2: Oh wow, she.
[33:59] Speaker 5: Thinks Teddy was the greatest president of all time. I
[34:01] Speaker 5: think you can let Mogor know where people can get.
[34:04] Speaker 2: That seth Morris. His wife is an artist, Kelsey, and
[34:09] Speaker 2: she sells a variety of stickers and prints on her website.
[34:13] Speaker 2: I'm not certain what that is, but that sticker is
[34:16] Speaker 2: one of Kelsey's stickers. I think we even sell them
[34:19] Speaker 2: in our brick and mortar Meat Eater store in Bozeman.
[34:23] Speaker 2: So if you type in I think it's.
[34:24] Speaker 3: Like I've seen him there, Kay Ray Art.
[34:28] Speaker 2: Something like that. That is where you could get that sticker.
[34:34] Speaker 6: Let's see.
[34:35] Speaker 5: Now, we don't have Meat Eater menu on the on
[34:37] Speaker 5: the docket today, but Freddie Rick and the Mons asks
[34:41] Speaker 5: just what you guys have been cooking wild game dishes?
[34:43] Speaker 6: You've been cooking?
[34:44] Speaker 9: Oh?
[34:44] Speaker 3: I got a hot answer for you.
[34:46] Speaker 1: Recently did a my first ever Beria dish and I
[34:54] Speaker 1: just used a bunch of like neck shanks and lots
[34:59] Speaker 1: of lots of learn from this, you know, Renelle and
[35:01] Speaker 1: I always go back and forth, because he still likes
[35:04] Speaker 1: to grind, like the stuff that has all the sin
[35:06] Speaker 1: you meet in it. And I just think that's crazy
[35:08] Speaker 1: because then you have to eat a burger and you
[35:11] Speaker 1: got to pick stuff out of your teeth, and that
[35:13] Speaker 1: stuff doesn't do you get any good in the burger.
[35:16] Speaker 1: But where it does do you so much good is
[35:18] Speaker 1: in a dish like beria, which basically it's very simple.
[35:21] Speaker 1: I use the New York Times cooking app. I think
[35:23] Speaker 1: we have a version of it on the meat eater.
[35:27] Speaker 1: But I just chunked up the neck and these shanks
[35:29] Speaker 1: into I don't know, two to three inch pieces. Did
[35:32] Speaker 1: it very quick, brine in just water with a half
[35:36] Speaker 1: cup of vinegar and some salt.
[35:38] Speaker 3: That's it.
[35:38] Speaker 1: You do that for thirty minutes, and it's amazing how
[35:40] Speaker 1: much that actually changes sort of the feel and texture
[35:43] Speaker 1: of the meat. Then put it into a slow braising
[35:47] Speaker 1: pot like Dutch oven style, cover it with cold water
[35:50] Speaker 1: and again a little bit of salts.
[35:53] Speaker 3: I don't think there's any spices yet.
[35:55] Speaker 1: You let that roll for like two hours until it
[35:57] Speaker 1: starts to cook down. As that's going you rehydrate some
[36:04] Speaker 1: chili peppers. I forget exactly what kind but not too
[36:07] Speaker 1: spicy coheo maybe or something like that. Once they're rehydrated,
[36:11] Speaker 1: you take them and a cup of the water you
[36:13] Speaker 1: used to rehydrate, put them in your blender, buzz it
[36:16] Speaker 1: up until you just get this like saucy pasty thing.
[36:19] Speaker 1: Dump that into the brazing liquid and basically just let
[36:22] Speaker 1: it cook until it's shredable, and then you serve it.
[36:27] Speaker 1: You actually take the meat out of the broth, well
[36:30] Speaker 1: it's still warm, season it, salt and pepper, and then
[36:33] Speaker 1: corn tortillas, lots of white onion cilantro. That's the basic.
[36:38] Speaker 1: You can just leave it as is, but then I
[36:41] Speaker 1: also did some pineapple chunks on there. We had some
[36:45] Speaker 1: of that cotilla cheese, and then you make your taco,
[36:50] Speaker 1: and the reci be said to actually eat the taco
[36:52] Speaker 1: and then chase it with the broth.
[36:54] Speaker 3: But what we started.
[36:55] Speaker 1: Doing is actually doing like almost a French French dip style, yeah,
[36:59] Speaker 1: and taking that taco and dunking it in that cup
[37:02] Speaker 1: and absolutely delicious. My wife mind made a pot last
[37:05] Speaker 1: week and I think we've had that for dinner four
[37:08] Speaker 1: out of the last five nights.
[37:09] Speaker 2: No kids around though, to review it. No kids around,
[37:12] Speaker 2: are you cooking differently now that your girls are off
[37:14] Speaker 2: at camp for a little while. Oh oh, tell me
[37:17] Speaker 2: what's different?
[37:18] Speaker 1: Well, just that that we just we ate the same
[37:20] Speaker 1: dinner four out of five nights.
[37:22] Speaker 2: Girls would not They wouldn't let that fly.
[37:24] Speaker 3: You know what, I don't know, because I don't think
[37:26] Speaker 3: we've ever tried them.
[37:27] Speaker 1: But I just feel compelled to cook them different foods
[37:30] Speaker 1: and do like different dinners every night. I mean, I
[37:32] Speaker 1: don't know. I usually make enough to have a leftover
[37:34] Speaker 1: a few nights later, but never like four out of five,
[37:38] Speaker 1: like I'm rolling with right now. But it's just very simple.
[37:42] Speaker 1: We're not like sitting a lot of times. We're just
[37:43] Speaker 1: sitting there in the kitchen is standing and eating so
[37:46] Speaker 1: that we can just like clean up real fast and
[37:48] Speaker 1: get back to whatever we're doing.
[37:51] Speaker 2: I made elksteaks last night. I love summer grilling weather,
[37:56] Speaker 2: so we had those on the camp chef with some
[38:00] Speaker 2: tatoes and asparagus.
[38:01] Speaker 4: What cut did you make those out of?
[38:03] Speaker 2: That was? I don't remember what it was. I don't
[38:08] Speaker 2: recall now. I pulled it out of the freezer like
[38:10] Speaker 2: a week ago and then instantly put them into a
[38:12] Speaker 2: ziploc bag. So I don't even recall.
[38:15] Speaker 3: Was it like a whole muscle and you cut it
[38:17] Speaker 3: up into steak?
[38:17] Speaker 2: No, these were already steaked by our friend Anna Borgman.
[38:23] Speaker 2: I don't know if Anna did this specifically for me,
[38:25] Speaker 2: because she knows my family size is just me and
[38:28] Speaker 2: my wife. But I got very petite sized portions of
[38:33] Speaker 2: steaks and roasts, and I really appreciated that. Maybe she
[38:36] Speaker 2: does that for everyone, but I imagine if you're like
[38:41] Speaker 2: a family of five and she knows that that you'd get,
[38:44] Speaker 2: you know, six steaks in one of your packages instead
[38:46] Speaker 2: of mine. Came to at a time. I really liked that.
[38:48] Speaker 2: I felt like I was getting some boutique butchery by
[38:52] Speaker 2: Anna there, which you are, Yes, that's right.
[38:56] Speaker 3: How is that bully eating overall? Oh?
[38:59] Speaker 6: Very good?
[38:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, I got no no issues with it. My favorite
[39:03] Speaker 2: thing what makes me more motivated to kill more elk
[39:06] Speaker 2: are just the sizes of the roast. I'm so used
[39:10] Speaker 2: to working with deer that you know, are one hundred
[39:13] Speaker 2: and sixty pounds or whatever, and I'm just like, very
[39:16] Speaker 2: familiar with all the steaks and roasts that you get
[39:19] Speaker 2: from that. But the size of the steaks and the
[39:23] Speaker 2: ROAs off and Elk. It's very different, very fun to
[39:26] Speaker 2: work with. I like that.
[39:28] Speaker 5: All right, we'll do one more question then we'll move
[39:30] Speaker 5: along here. Ohn x eighty two says Phil Horder. Alliance.
[39:35] Speaker 5: The answer is Alliance. Shout out to my night elf
[39:37] Speaker 5: Druid and my human warrior Crentist.
[39:39] Speaker 6: I missed you guys. All right, that's it.
[39:42] Speaker 2: And then to circle back to the sticker, it is
[39:44] Speaker 2: kay Artworks dot com. That's k r a e Artworks
[39:50] Speaker 2: dot Com and she has that sticker there.
[39:52] Speaker 3: Thanks for that, Spencer.
[39:54] Speaker 1: All right, our next segment is fake news Shop.
[40:00] Speaker 2: He talk gay balloon about better shot Thangondes.
[40:05] Speaker 1: So where is that? So this opportunity comes weeks.
[40:10] Speaker 3: You can do anything you set your minds to.
[40:12] Speaker 4: You guys, does the general public know that it is
[40:17] Speaker 4: you that is singing those songs?
[40:18] Speaker 6: I believe.
[40:19] Speaker 2: So now we actually got Eminem to do that, right,
[40:24] Speaker 2: he's such a big fan, being from Michigan and all
[40:27] Speaker 2: he said, I could do this.
[40:28] Speaker 6: That's where the entire podcast budget went to this year.
[40:31] Speaker 2: All right. Fake news is where I read a series
[40:34] Speaker 2: of headlines in which a real one is hiding among
[40:37] Speaker 2: three impostors. Your job is to figure out which one
[40:40] Speaker 2: is true. So grab your white board, Yanni, grab your whiteboard, Chili,
[40:43] Speaker 2: don't be cheating looking at my just headlines, Just headlines.
[40:47] Speaker 2: The first headline. Why scientists are horrified by the world's
[40:52] Speaker 2: first blank farm. Is it octopus, panda, mosquito or crocodile?
[41:03] Speaker 2: Why scientists are horrified by the world's first octopus farm.
[41:07] Speaker 2: Why scientists are horrified by the world's first panda farm.
[41:12] Speaker 2: Why scientists are horrified by the world's first mosquito farm.
[41:16] Speaker 2: Why scientists are horrified by the world's first crocodile farm.
[41:20] Speaker 2: One of those is real, the other three are fake.
[41:25] Speaker 2: Chili very quick to answer. It's almost as though you
[41:27] Speaker 2: know it. You know it, Chili. No, the first time
[41:30] Speaker 2: I'm seeing this question.
[41:32] Speaker 3: I didn't catch this in the news either, but I.
[41:37] Speaker 2: Have a good train of thought as to why I
[41:40] Speaker 2: think this is right. Why scientists are horrified by the
[41:42] Speaker 2: world's first blank farm. Octopus, panda, mosquito, crocodile. I'm ready, boy,
[41:47] Speaker 2: it's ready. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have
[41:50] Speaker 2: Giannis saying mosquito farm, we have Chili saying octopus farm.
[41:56] Speaker 2: One of you is right. The correct answer is octopus.
[42:02] Speaker 2: Why scientists are horrified by the world's first octopus farm.
[42:06] Speaker 2: That headline was from veg Out on July second, twenty
[42:10] Speaker 2: twenty five. The Spanish seafood giant Neueva Pescanova is currently
[42:16] Speaker 2: working on the world's first commercial octopus farm. Animal activists
[42:20] Speaker 2: are flatly against the operation, especially since the octopi are
[42:23] Speaker 2: killed by getting dumped into tanks of ice water, where
[42:27] Speaker 2: they slowly freeze to death. This has captured the attention
[42:30] Speaker 2: of American lawmakers, who are working on legislation that would
[42:33] Speaker 2: ban commercial octopus farming in the United States. Senators from
[42:37] Speaker 2: Rhode Island and Alaska are drafting the bill, saying, quote,
[42:40] Speaker 2: science has shown that octopuses are sentient, emotionally complex animals,
[42:45] Speaker 2: and the conditions required to farm them are inherently cruel
[42:48] Speaker 2: and incompatible with their basic needs. Have you ever eaten octopus? Yani?
[42:53] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not what we were geted at.
[42:56] Speaker 3: You have not.
[42:57] Speaker 2: I've just never had the opportunity. I haven't turned down.
[43:01] Speaker 1: I mean you could order it anytime you go to
[43:03] Speaker 1: a sushiet joint. Usually it really yeah.
[43:07] Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what how have you eaten your octopus? You
[43:11] Speaker 2: like it?
[43:11] Speaker 1: Well?
[43:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I've had that.
[43:13] Speaker 1: I've had it at a Shoese sushie joints, probably a
[43:17] Speaker 1: couple of different ways, but uh, I think in the
[43:22] Speaker 1: end it's probably always cooked somewhat similarly where you know
[43:25] Speaker 1: it's it can be tough and so it has to
[43:27] Speaker 1: have sort of the tenderness beaten into it. But I
[43:30] Speaker 1: think it's usually served cold. You know, when you do
[43:33] Speaker 1: it over like nageey, you know, over rice.
[43:37] Speaker 2: You know you're eating octopus when you're served octopus.
[43:40] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, looks and it's still like octopus. Yeah, chili.
[43:43] Speaker 2: Do you have an octopus review?
[43:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a documentary out there called My Octopus Teacher,
[43:50] Speaker 4: and it's on Netflix. And that's kind of like where
[43:52] Speaker 4: like as soon as the question popped up, that's where
[43:54] Speaker 4: my head was, and there's a lot of good information
[43:55] Speaker 4: about it, Like octopus are a lot more, I mean,
[43:59] Speaker 4: there's much more to them.
[44:00] Speaker 2: And have you eaten it?
[44:01] Speaker 6: Though?
[44:01] Speaker 3: Have I eaten it?
[44:02] Speaker 9: Oh?
[44:03] Speaker 2: Oh, that's what we're talking about.
[44:04] Speaker 6: Okay.
[44:04] Speaker 2: No, I'm fine with farm and all sorts of stuff
[44:11] Speaker 2: that makes it to our dinner plate. But you know what,
[44:13] Speaker 2: I'd maybe side with the animal activists here that octopi.
[44:16] Speaker 2: We could just leave alone, let them do their own thing.
[44:19] Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
[44:22] Speaker 3: That's fine?
[44:23] Speaker 1: But I would ask you then, is it still okay
[44:25] Speaker 1: to then just you know, drag them up out of
[44:27] Speaker 1: the depths or grab them out of their little hole.
[44:29] Speaker 2: And I'm not passionate about this. I haven't thought a
[44:32] Speaker 2: lot about it. I would say, as of now. You
[44:36] Speaker 2: can ask me tomorrow against octopi farming for harvesting octopus
[44:41] Speaker 2: in the wild, though that's my stance, official stance as
[44:44] Speaker 2: of today.
[44:45] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I can get down with that. I'd have
[44:47] Speaker 1: to read into it a little bit more.
[44:49] Speaker 2: But Phil, you love eating octopus?
[44:51] Speaker 5: I think I swear I have, but I can't remember
[44:54] Speaker 5: when or where. So this is a I shouldn't have
[44:56] Speaker 5: even said anything.
[44:56] Speaker 2: Yanni was making me feel bad for me never having
[44:58] Speaker 2: it in Alaska.
[45:00] Speaker 1: Smoke it often and then preserve it. Is how I've
[45:04] Speaker 1: had it a lot too. It's delicious, all.
[45:06] Speaker 2: Right, headline too. It's the end of an era. The
[45:10] Speaker 2: US National Parks prepared to ban blank is it glass, horses,
[45:18] Speaker 2: skateboards or cash. It's the end of an era. The
[45:24] Speaker 2: US National Parks prepared to ban glass. It's the end
[45:28] Speaker 2: of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban horses.
[45:32] Speaker 2: It's the end of an era. The US National Parks
[45:35] Speaker 2: prepared to ban skateboards. Or it's the end of an era.
[45:39] Speaker 2: The US National Parks prepared to ban cash.
[45:43] Speaker 5: Our part producer Jake just popped into our private chat
[45:46] Speaker 5: here and said he's eating live octopus.
[45:47] Speaker 1: Who I don't know how that works.
[45:49] Speaker 2: They must have been small, right.
[45:52] Speaker 6: Let us know, Jake. We'll update the audience.
[45:55] Speaker 7: WHOA.
[45:56] Speaker 2: Our players are slower to answer this time. Chile got
[45:59] Speaker 2: that first question right.
[46:00] Speaker 9: I did not have an answer.
[46:02] Speaker 2: It's the end of an era. The US National Parks
[46:04] Speaker 2: prepared to ban Is it glass, horses, skateboards or cash?
[46:12] Speaker 3: I see I could four yea correct?
[46:14] Speaker 4: Okayel like the beginning of this question, it's the end
[46:17] Speaker 4: of an era. So it has to be something that okay,
[46:20] Speaker 4: has been around for a long time.
[46:25] Speaker 3: All four of those things have been around for a while.
[46:27] Speaker 4: Well, I know they've been around, but like it's like
[46:28] Speaker 4: something that's like it'll be shocking once it goes away.
[46:31] Speaker 2: Are you boys ready?
[46:32] Speaker 3: I'm ready go ahead and reveal your answers.
[46:34] Speaker 2: We have Yannis saying horses and Chili saying horses, you're
[46:40] Speaker 2: both wrong.
[46:41] Speaker 1: No guest cash, skateboards.
[46:45] Speaker 2: Cash is correct. It's the end of an era. The
[46:49] Speaker 2: US National Parks prepared to ban cash. This headline was
[46:53] Speaker 2: from the Travel on July second, twenty twenty five. The
[46:56] Speaker 2: National Park Service has been slowly moving toward card only
[47:00] Speaker 2: for a few years and plans to be totally cashless soon,
[47:03] Speaker 2: and PS says it's been quote an overwhelmingly positive experience
[47:09] Speaker 2: for both visitors and employers so far. They claim it
[47:13] Speaker 2: reduces transaction time at entrances, creates fewer accounting errors, and
[47:17] Speaker 2: lessens the risk of theft. Critics say this will directly
[47:21] Speaker 2: impact international visitors who want to avoid overseas card fees,
[47:25] Speaker 2: as well as youth who don't have their own bank accounts.
[47:28] Speaker 2: Some senators are pushing back on the new policy, questioning
[47:31] Speaker 2: how the federal government can legally refuse currency that was
[47:34] Speaker 2: created by the federal government. You both seem like cash
[47:39] Speaker 2: guys to me. I bet Yanni's got like sixty dollars
[47:41] Speaker 2: in cash on him right now? Or Chili Chilly, I
[47:44] Speaker 2: bet you got sixty dollars in cash?
[47:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got ten on me.
[47:49] Speaker 1: And then I think I've probably got a couple of
[47:51] Speaker 1: twenties out in the car. I do like to have
[47:53] Speaker 1: a little bit around, but man, it's just becoming like
[47:57] Speaker 1: you used to always use that emergency cash, and now
[48:00] Speaker 1: I feel like those twenties in the car they maybe
[48:03] Speaker 1: have been there for years. My dad's gonna be upset
[48:09] Speaker 1: because he's a cash cash Yeah, Like we go through this.
[48:12] Speaker 2: How many national parks does he go to that?
[48:14] Speaker 1: Not that much? No, No, but I think just in
[48:17] Speaker 1: uh in what am I trying to say? Like the
[48:19] Speaker 1: idea of it, right, He's not gonna be into it.
[48:22] Speaker 1: We go through this at hunting camp every year. He's
[48:24] Speaker 1: the guy that pays for the lodging and then has
[48:28] Speaker 1: to collect the money from the rest of the group,
[48:31] Speaker 1: and so there's cash. Yeah, And I'm like, dude, if
[48:34] Speaker 1: you had Venmo, all the money would already be in
[48:37] Speaker 1: your bank account. Instead you have to deal with this
[48:41] Speaker 1: and like add and subtract and it's just yeah, you know, lately,
[48:45] Speaker 1: I'm a late adopter, I think, but I've really come
[48:48] Speaker 1: to embrace and love the Apple wallet.
[48:53] Speaker 2: Oh no, it is convenient. I think at first it
[48:56] Speaker 2: wasn't because not enough places would accept it. But now
[49:00] Speaker 2: it's like almost universal. So smooth, so smooth chili. What
[49:04] Speaker 2: are you doing with all that cash on you?
[49:06] Speaker 9: Oh?
[49:07] Speaker 4: You know, I just I kind of say, like when
[49:09] Speaker 4: I go on trips, it's like good to have some
[49:11] Speaker 4: cash so you can, like I don't know, spend it
[49:14] Speaker 4: on stuff that like souvenirs whatever.
[49:15] Speaker 2: It's free money at that point, right, Yeah, you're not
[49:18] Speaker 2: spending your own money. Yeah, no, for sure. Do you
[49:21] Speaker 2: guys still have the change jars?
[49:23] Speaker 9: Is that a thing still?
[49:25] Speaker 1: There's one in my house, but it does it's not
[49:27] Speaker 1: filling up anymore, stagnant.
[49:30] Speaker 4: I have one that I always go and do the
[49:32] Speaker 4: change exchange thing, walk away with about one hundred bucks go.
[49:36] Speaker 2: I like to keep some cash in like my tackle
[49:38] Speaker 2: box in case something were to happen while I'm fishing
[49:42] Speaker 2: where I need help from a fellow angler came in
[49:45] Speaker 2: handy one time. I helped out a guy one time
[49:48] Speaker 2: and I jumped his pickup for him, and then I
[49:52] Speaker 2: kept that twenty in my tackle box until I had
[49:54] Speaker 2: to use it. Like four years later, I got stuck
[49:57] Speaker 2: into snow dripped ice fishing and someone came and pulled
[49:59] Speaker 2: me out out. So it's like the Brotherhood of the
[50:02] Speaker 2: traveling twenty dollars bill. At this point, there's only one
[50:06] Speaker 2: thing I use cash for anymore. That's it. Headline three.
[50:11] Speaker 2: Florida fisherman is charged in shark blank? Is it robbery,
[50:18] Speaker 2: meat fraud, stabbing or drug smuggling? Florida fisherman is charged
[50:27] Speaker 2: in shark robbery. Florida fisherman is charged in shark meat fraud.
[50:32] Speaker 2: Florida fisherman is charged in shark stabbing. Florida fisherman is
[50:37] Speaker 2: charged in shark drug smuggling.
[50:42] Speaker 1: I'm liking this version of it, but when you first
[50:45] Speaker 1: explained the game to me, I thought that you were
[50:48] Speaker 1: going to have just three completely different headlines.
[50:51] Speaker 2: Oh okay, and one of them was going.
[50:54] Speaker 6: To be real.
[50:55] Speaker 2: No, we're just swapping out or one was going to
[50:58] Speaker 2: be the imposter. Florida fisherman is charged in shark Is
[51:02] Speaker 2: it robbery, meat fraud, stabbing or drug smuggling? You both
[51:07] Speaker 2: got question two wrong, only Chili got question one right.
[51:10] Speaker 2: Are you ready?
[51:11] Speaker 3: I'm ready?
[51:11] Speaker 2: Go ahead and reveal your answers we have. We have
[51:15] Speaker 2: Giannis saying meat fraud and Chili saying stabbing. Correct answer.
[51:22] Speaker 4: I feel like that stabbing is what a Florida person
[51:24] Speaker 4: might do is stabbing?
[51:27] Speaker 1: Right?
[51:28] Speaker 4: You got.
[51:30] Speaker 5: That from the Old Games is stabbing Chili?
[51:34] Speaker 2: Got two of these right. This headline was from the
[51:37] Speaker 2: New York Times on June sixth, twenty twenty five. It's
[51:40] Speaker 2: about Zaane Garrett, a charter fisherman who is being charged
[51:43] Speaker 2: with animal cruelty. The twenty six year old was shown
[51:46] Speaker 2: in a viral video repeatedly stabbing a shark and then
[51:49] Speaker 2: cutting the line. The Florida man told authorities that it
[51:52] Speaker 2: was revenge for the shark stealing his fish. His business's website,
[51:57] Speaker 2: Second Nature Charters, says quote with captain saying at the helm,
[52:01] Speaker 2: every fishing excursion becomes an unforgettable journey filled with camaraderie.
[52:06] Speaker 2: I don't know what the next word is I wrote
[52:08] Speaker 2: down and most importantly, epic catches that will be cherished
[52:12] Speaker 2: for a lifetime. This comes just one month after a
[52:15] Speaker 2: different Florida fishing guide sorry it was sentenced to thirty
[52:19] Speaker 2: days in jail for shooting and poisoning dolphins was Florida man.
[52:24] Speaker 1: Meat fraud has been in the news lately. One example, specifically,
[52:29] Speaker 1: you know seafood meat fraud.
[52:31] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to try to get a future guest
[52:33] Speaker 2: to talk about in South Carolina? Is this what you're
[52:36] Speaker 2: referring to.
[52:36] Speaker 1: I thought that it was West Coast where I had
[52:39] Speaker 1: read about it.
[52:40] Speaker 2: What I'm referring to is in South Carolina. They sort
[52:44] Speaker 2: of just did a big sting operation with a DNA
[52:46] Speaker 2: tested all the shrimp in these businesses that were saying
[52:50] Speaker 2: they're selling locally caught shrimp, and they identified I think
[52:53] Speaker 2: it was twenty five places, which is a crapload that
[52:57] Speaker 2: the DNA showed those shrimp came from overseas, from like
[53:01] Speaker 2: farms and time, because.
[53:02] Speaker 3: The local shrimp is so much more expensive.
[53:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, that that bothered me a lot when I saw that.
[53:09] Speaker 2: That would bum me out when I go somewhere and
[53:12] Speaker 2: it like elevates the experience thinking I'm eating one thing
[53:16] Speaker 2: and then to find out it's just shrimp that came
[53:18] Speaker 2: from costco What a bummer. Future episode, We're going to
[53:23] Speaker 2: interview somebody about that, that shrimp fraud. Putting it out
[53:27] Speaker 2: there right now?
[53:28] Speaker 3: Do it? All right?
[53:29] Speaker 2: That's the end of fake news. Chili is a big
[53:31] Speaker 2: winner today.
[53:31] Speaker 1: Good job, Chili, Thank you, thank you. Now knowledge of
[53:36] Speaker 1: current events there all right. We saved the best for last.
[53:44] Speaker 1: Just kidding second to best because Randall obviously stole the
[53:49] Speaker 1: show today. But we're now going to chat with Jacob
[53:53] Speaker 1: Hernandez Hernandez, private lands biologists for the US Fish and
[53:57] Speaker 1: Wildlife Services Partners for Fish and Life Program, and his
[54:01] Speaker 1: colleague Bo Hendrickson, a habitat restoration technician that works for
[54:06] Speaker 1: Golden Sands Resource conservation and development.
[54:10] Speaker 3: Man, it's a mouthful.
[54:12] Speaker 1: The two of them have been helping me execute the
[54:14] Speaker 1: oak savanna project on our land in Wisconsin. Jacob and Bo,
[54:17] Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
[54:21] Speaker 11: Hey, how are you guys doing.
[54:23] Speaker 1: We're doing great. Not standing outside in a soon to
[54:27] Speaker 1: be oak savannah like you guys though, so I'm jealous
[54:30] Speaker 1: for sure.
[54:32] Speaker 11: Yeah. It's a bit warm out today, but otherwise we're
[54:34] Speaker 11: doing all right.
[54:35] Speaker 9: It's nice.
[54:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a nice day. What is the
[54:38] Speaker 1: temp it's been hot there lately.
[54:41] Speaker 11: Eighty seven?
[54:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that's not too bad at all, unless the
[54:45] Speaker 1: humidity is ninety seven then it could be. It could
[54:48] Speaker 1: be bad, but it looks like you guys are enjoying.
[54:52] Speaker 1: You guys are enjoying the shade of one of my
[54:54] Speaker 1: oak trees that are left standing. Huh, you bet smart. Yeah,
[54:58] Speaker 1: we are all right, tell me about the program the
[55:02] Speaker 1: you two help administer, and then sort of explain how
[55:06] Speaker 1: that program is, you know, working the project that you
[55:11] Speaker 1: guys are helping my dad and I with.
[55:14] Speaker 12: Yeah, So, our program is the Partners for Fish and
[55:17] Speaker 12: Wildlife program, like Yoanni introduced. We're with the US Fish
[55:20] Speaker 12: and Wildlife Service, or specifically I am with that program.
[55:23] Speaker 12: And our program was designed or born out of the
[55:27] Speaker 12: late eighties under the National Wildlife Refuge System. And our
[55:30] Speaker 12: program is designed to help private landowners. So we defined
[55:33] Speaker 12: private landowners as anything non state or federal owned, so
[55:37] Speaker 12: city county land obviously our biggest bread and butter is
[55:40] Speaker 12: private landowners. We can help with this with these restoration
[55:45] Speaker 12: projects via cast share and technical assistance. We also have
[55:49] Speaker 12: several partners that we work with collaboratively to try to
[55:52] Speaker 12: implement those those restoration projects. And I'll let Bo talk
[55:56] Speaker 12: a little bit more specifically about the project here that
[55:58] Speaker 12: we're working on with you.
[56:00] Speaker 9: Yeah. So, if my memory jogs me right, Giannus reached
[56:03] Speaker 9: out to us.
[56:04] Speaker 10: So a lot of landowners approach us with these potential
[56:08] Speaker 10: projects to invite us out onto the property to do
[56:10] Speaker 10: a site visit. So we came out checked out the
[56:13] Speaker 10: site before we came out here. We actually did a
[56:16] Speaker 10: little bit of homework looking up in the nineteen thirty
[56:18] Speaker 10: seven aerial photos that are posted for Wisconsin, so that
[56:22] Speaker 10: this specific area that we're working in here was a
[56:25] Speaker 10: little bit more open growing, a little bit less tree density,
[56:28] Speaker 10: not agriculture, and kind of gave us the signs of
[56:31] Speaker 10: an oak savannah remnants or potential for an oak savannah remnant.
[56:35] Speaker 10: And so that's pretty much exactly what we're doing out here,
[56:38] Speaker 10: trying to restore an oak savannah. This area historically was
[56:41] Speaker 10: a mix of you know, brush oaks savannah's prairies back
[56:45] Speaker 10: when the indigenous people were here, and so we're just
[56:48] Speaker 10: trying to restore the native habitat back to that time
[56:51] Speaker 10: to benefit you know, the wildlife species that are out here.
[56:55] Speaker 1: All right, So take me through the timeline, which I
[56:58] Speaker 1: gotta say, people have asked ask me how how like
[57:01] Speaker 1: how efficient this process has been, And out of all
[57:04] Speaker 1: the work that I've been doing out there, you get
[57:06] Speaker 1: your project specifically has been like the most efficient and
[57:10] Speaker 1: like we've been moving extremely fast, which has been awesome
[57:13] Speaker 1: to see because a lot of this stuff just takes forever.
[57:15] Speaker 1: But take me through this sort of the timeline and
[57:17] Speaker 1: the different steps and take us up to present day.
[57:22] Speaker 11: Yeah, well, we appreciate the kudos on that.
[57:24] Speaker 2: For sure.
[57:24] Speaker 12: We're a pretty small and nimble program, and so we
[57:27] Speaker 12: are pretty flexible and kind of act pretty quickly when
[57:29] Speaker 12: the situation presents itself. But like Bo said, Yanni had
[57:32] Speaker 12: gotten a hold of us about a year ago. Logging
[57:34] Speaker 12: operations were happening. So there was timber being cut hauled
[57:38] Speaker 12: off deck to the whole nine yards and we came
[57:40] Speaker 12: in and it was the property was covered in in
[57:43] Speaker 12: timber slash. So when we had the area identified, the
[57:46] Speaker 12: unit identified, you know, we got a hold of Yannis,
[57:49] Speaker 12: made sure we had all the objectives correct and everything
[57:51] Speaker 12: like that, and then our first step was, okay, if
[57:53] Speaker 12: we're gonna seed this thing down to a more herbaceous
[57:56] Speaker 12: understory cover kind of like a you know, in a
[57:58] Speaker 12: o Savannah, we needed to get some of that timber
[58:01] Speaker 12: slash cleaned up.
[58:02] Speaker 11: So we had a contractor come out.
[58:04] Speaker 12: We hired him, worked through that process, oversaw those operations.
[58:08] Speaker 12: Especially because yanis being an absentee landowner, it's kind of
[58:11] Speaker 12: something we can help with. Obviously from a technical standpoint,
[58:14] Speaker 12: oversaw that operation, got it everything piled and cleaned up,
[58:18] Speaker 12: and then it's kind of a waiting game to see
[58:19] Speaker 12: what comes back on that. In that seed bed, we
[58:22] Speaker 12: saw a host of species coming back, some good, some
[58:26] Speaker 12: less desirable, incredibly nothing, insanely wild. A lot of times
[58:30] Speaker 12: when we do that, it could be a flush of
[58:31] Speaker 12: buckthorn or multi floor rows, or several other invasive species
[58:36] Speaker 12: that we see across the site.
[58:37] Speaker 11: So it wasn't too bad in that regard.
[58:39] Speaker 12: At that point, we then said, Okay, we're gonna we're
[58:42] Speaker 12: gonna prescribe herbicide application. We have some limitations out here
[58:46] Speaker 12: with stumps and the tree stems that still exist, so
[58:48] Speaker 12: we're kind of limited on like mechanical treatments and stuff.
[58:51] Speaker 12: So herbicide was our best go to tool. I know
[58:54] Speaker 12: it's not always the most popular treatment, and we try
[58:57] Speaker 12: to work with individual landowners based on those objectives accordingly,
[59:00] Speaker 12: but in this scenario, we agreed.
[59:02] Speaker 11: That herbicide was the right option.
[59:04] Speaker 12: So we prescribed gleco state and two four D and
[59:08] Speaker 12: when used correctly, following all safety, following timing, all that
[59:12] Speaker 12: kind of stuff, we can get a good general kill
[59:13] Speaker 12: on this what we're seeing today is that that there's
[59:17] Speaker 12: a kill out here from a from a spray that
[59:20] Speaker 12: was done about two weeks ago or so. There are
[59:23] Speaker 12: some misspots, but that happens, not the end of the world.
[59:26] Speaker 12: We'll come back and do one more treatment towards the
[59:28] Speaker 12: end of the summer and then hopefully that's that's the
[59:30] Speaker 12: means to the end there there there will hopefully be
[59:32] Speaker 12: no more spraying or if so, be very limited and
[59:34] Speaker 12: very targeted.
[59:35] Speaker 11: And the idea is we're setting our native.
[59:37] Speaker 12: Species up that we plan to plant this fall or
[59:39] Speaker 12: winter for the most success with the least competition as
[59:43] Speaker 12: they get going.
[59:44] Speaker 1: Okay, so my neighbor and I, I was there two
[59:47] Speaker 1: weeks ago. My neighbor and I did the spraying on
[59:50] Speaker 1: a scale one to ten. How good of a job
[59:53] Speaker 1: do we do as as herbicide applicators.
[59:59] Speaker 9: There's always gonna be misses.
[1:00:00] Speaker 10: You know, nobody can get it all in the first rounds.
[1:00:04] Speaker 9: I'd probably say, you know, between an eight and nine.
[1:00:07] Speaker 10: Hey, just about I'm gonna cross the board though. That's
[1:00:10] Speaker 10: what you get with especially with these stumps. A little
[1:00:12] Speaker 10: bit of uneven topography from that logging operation, leaving some
[1:00:16] Speaker 10: ruts and locations kind of made it probably a little
[1:00:18] Speaker 10: bit difficult for you to do, you know, a full
[1:00:21] Speaker 10: complete application here.
[1:00:24] Speaker 9: That's why people always.
[1:00:25] Speaker 10: Just come back out and you know, reapply. The spots
[1:00:28] Speaker 10: that you missed are really easy to see and so
[1:00:30] Speaker 10: you can just touch those up at a later time.
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like the touch up can be
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: done with a backpack sprayer or is it gonna take
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: another round of driving around on the ATV.
[1:00:42] Speaker 12: It only looked like there was maybe one or two
[1:00:44] Speaker 12: small strips, And honestly, we don't need one hundred percent
[1:00:47] Speaker 12: burned down to the ideas just to reduce competition. So
[1:00:50] Speaker 12: you know, in my opinion, I think the second round
[1:00:53] Speaker 12: of application that we do later in the fall, targeting
[1:00:56] Speaker 12: some of the woody species that are out here, I
[1:00:58] Speaker 12: think that's gonna take care of it. And I think
[1:01:00] Speaker 12: you guys will be set up really good. We'll still
[1:01:03] Speaker 12: have enough seedbed exposed for us to broadcast seed and
[1:01:06] Speaker 12: get good seed to soil contact for the winner to
[1:01:09] Speaker 12: do its work with freestyle actions. So yeah, I mean,
[1:01:14] Speaker 12: there's no need to do more than we need to do, right,
[1:01:16] Speaker 12: So I think one more treatment as planned at the
[1:01:18] Speaker 12: end of the season, and we should be in good shape.
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, So I think a lot of people,
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: including myself, when I first heard about this program, are
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: sort of wondering like, well, why would the American government
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: spend taxpayer money to be doing this kind of work
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: on private lands. Tell me a little bit, like how
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: does it benefit just like the taxpayer that is probably
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: never going to get to step foot on that lamb.
[1:01:46] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[1:01:47] Speaker 10: So the program, you know as a cost share program,
[1:01:49] Speaker 10: So we're putting, you know, the American taxpayer's dollar back
[1:01:52] Speaker 10: into habitat, trying to improve habitat. Our programs designed around
[1:01:57] Speaker 10: trust species, federal trust species that are and endangered, declining
[1:02:02] Speaker 10: in population. That's our big focus out here. And so
[1:02:06] Speaker 10: all that you know, the taxpayer dollars that's going you know,
[1:02:09] Speaker 10: back into the ground trying to improve the habitat for
[1:02:12] Speaker 10: local wildlife and also migratory birds, you know, any wildlife
[1:02:16] Speaker 10: I guess in the area. Also, you know, it's really
[1:02:19] Speaker 10: great we try and use local contractors to boost the
[1:02:22] Speaker 10: local economy out here. A lot of the areas that
[1:02:24] Speaker 10: we're working in is rural Wisconsin, and so we try
[1:02:27] Speaker 10: and find ways to boost that local economy, find ways
[1:02:30] Speaker 10: to fit in with the community, sometimes we'll have community
[1:02:33] Speaker 10: fire departments help us out on these properties. So we're
[1:02:37] Speaker 10: trying to find a way to almost you know, kind
[1:02:38] Speaker 10: of get back to these local communities and support financially
[1:02:42] Speaker 10: with them and also collaborate with them such as fire
[1:02:46] Speaker 10: departments and other partners that we use out here.
[1:02:48] Speaker 9: So all in all, it all goes back to good
[1:02:51] Speaker 9: habitat just.
[1:02:51] Speaker 10: To improve you know, a better climate, resilient habitat out
[1:02:56] Speaker 10: here versus just a bunch of invasives that you know,
[1:02:58] Speaker 10: it's kind of degrading for the wildlife species that we see.
[1:03:02] Speaker 12: I think I would just add clean water, healthy soil,
[1:03:06] Speaker 12: local healthy ecosystems, as you mentioned, carbon sequestration, right, all
[1:03:09] Speaker 12: of those really great things that occur with healthy, healthy ecosystems.
[1:03:13] Speaker 12: That's what the American public has benefit on with with
[1:03:15] Speaker 12: the help here.
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, obviously I'm way interested in the
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: what the habitat is going to do for deer and turkey,
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: But tell me from your viewpoint, like what other what
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: sort of special species are you guys hoping to help
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: out with this and possibly like us, being able to
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: get to see in the coming years from this work
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: that we're doing.
[1:03:37] Speaker 10: Yeah, So like I mentioned earlier, kind of designed around
[1:03:40] Speaker 10: those threatening federal federally endangered species out here. We're actually
[1:03:45] Speaker 10: in a high potential range for the federally endangered carner
[1:03:48] Speaker 10: blue butterfly, also the rusty patch bumblebee. So you know,
[1:03:52] Speaker 10: might not be number one hitters that people think of,
[1:03:55] Speaker 10: you know, but they're very important to us in our program,
[1:03:58] Speaker 10: and so we're hoping to see some of those. We've
[1:04:00] Speaker 10: already seen some monarchs out here using the property when
[1:04:02] Speaker 10: we're about doing sight assessments and monitoring to kind of
[1:04:06] Speaker 10: check in on the project. Outside of that, you know,
[1:04:09] Speaker 10: migratory birds are gonna hopefully be using this redheaded woodpeckers,
[1:04:14] Speaker 10: a species of concern for us. We're hoping to see
[1:04:18] Speaker 10: a couple of those out here. We leave dead standing
[1:04:20] Speaker 10: snags to kind of provide that wildlife habitat for them.
[1:04:23] Speaker 10: So across the board, we're trying to hit a whole spectrum,
[1:04:25] Speaker 10: whether it's the pollinators, the birds, the deer, the turkey.
[1:04:30] Speaker 10: All in all, our program is driven towards those threatening
[1:04:32] Speaker 10: and endangered species, but we recognize and understand that a
[1:04:35] Speaker 10: lot of these projects that we do are going to
[1:04:37] Speaker 10: benefit that local wildlife such as the deer, the turkey, bear, grouse,
[1:04:42] Speaker 10: you name it.
[1:04:43] Speaker 9: It's just kind of a whole umbrella restoration here.
[1:04:46] Speaker 10: We're kind of just directing it towards one thing, but
[1:04:48] Speaker 10: understand and know that those other species are definitely gonna
[1:04:52] Speaker 10: be being benefiting from it.
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: What kind of upkeep is going to be involved for Giannis?
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: Is this a place that he's going to need to
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: mess with next year and five years from now and
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: ten years from now.
[1:05:04] Speaker 12: Yeah, habitat restoration is definitely not something that happens overnight.
[1:05:08] Speaker 12: I mean, we've we've let these ecosystems slide into invasive species,
[1:05:12] Speaker 12: peril and and unchecked systems for hundreds of years. So
[1:05:16] Speaker 12: it's definitely not something that happens overnight.
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: Uh.
[1:05:19] Speaker 11: Yeah.
[1:05:19] Speaker 12: Future management will likely include prescribed fire. That's not an
[1:05:23] Speaker 12: option for everybody always, so there are other alternatives, sometimes mowing,
[1:05:28] Speaker 12: spot mowing, some stuff like that to try to keep things,
[1:05:31] Speaker 12: keep things in check, but prescribe fire is going to
[1:05:33] Speaker 12: be a big one. Spot spraying might be required depending
[1:05:36] Speaker 12: on how the system responds, but the hope is that, honestly,
[1:05:40] Speaker 12: the biggest maintenance tool going forward on the you know,
[1:05:45] Speaker 12: three to six year return fire return interval would be
[1:05:48] Speaker 12: would be prescribed fire. Part of what we did with
[1:05:50] Speaker 12: this project was and Yannis, to his credit, was very
[1:05:54] Speaker 12: adamant that we made sure that we accounted for, you know,
[1:05:57] Speaker 12: some of the trail systems being considered as as burned breaks,
[1:06:00] Speaker 12: so which is a huge thing. So that'll help with
[1:06:03] Speaker 12: implementation of that prescribe fire.
[1:06:05] Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'll add to that. The prescribed fire. It's
[1:06:08] Speaker 10: a great tool because that kind of helps reduce that
[1:06:10] Speaker 10: need for herbicide out here, you know, in terms of
[1:06:13] Speaker 10: long term, so you know, that's going to cut down
[1:06:16] Speaker 10: on your woody invasives that might be coming in. It's
[1:06:18] Speaker 10: going to help rejuvenate that prairie or the oak savanna,
[1:06:22] Speaker 10: kind of clean up the thatch a little bit. As
[1:06:24] Speaker 10: you know obviously we have snow here in Wisconsin. Things
[1:06:27] Speaker 10: lay down, gets madded down over time, kind of makes
[1:06:30] Speaker 10: it harder over a long term for those seats to
[1:06:33] Speaker 10: kind of work their way into the soil and keep
[1:06:35] Speaker 10: expressing themselves within the prairie, which then kind of turns
[1:06:38] Speaker 10: away from the wildlife benefit that we're trying to provide
[1:06:40] Speaker 10: out here. So all in all, it does you know
[1:06:44] Speaker 10: a number I guess of wonders for us out here.
[1:06:47] Speaker 10: And that's why, Jacob, you know, we're kind of hitting
[1:06:50] Speaker 10: on it so hard, just because it really helps reduce
[1:06:52] Speaker 10: that herbicide use, rejuvenates it and just you know, keeps
[1:06:55] Speaker 10: the habitat what it is.
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: Awesome.
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: Thanks guys, You appreciate you guys taking the time. I'll
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: look forward to reading the report today and hearing the
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: follow up later. But thank you again. And oh, I
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: guess if anyone's interested in doing this on their own
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: property or just wanting to find out more about this program,
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: how do they do that?
[1:07:21] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[1:07:21] Speaker 12: I would suggest people just google the US Fish and
[1:07:24] Speaker 12: Wildlife Service Partners for Fish and Wildlife program. You'll find
[1:07:28] Speaker 12: the state that you're located in, and typically there's a
[1:07:32] Speaker 12: content point of contacts. Typically it's our state coordinators or
[1:07:35] Speaker 12: someone acting in that role, and they'll get you in
[1:07:37] Speaker 12: touch with the local biologists that would service you know,
[1:07:40] Speaker 12: your counties or your area. When you do touch base
[1:07:42] Speaker 12: with them, obviously contact information, property description, kind of your
[1:07:47] Speaker 12: habitat objectives. That kind of stuff helps streamline some of
[1:07:50] Speaker 12: that communication and keep us moving at.
[1:07:52] Speaker 11: A pretty quick pace.
[1:07:53] Speaker 12: Alternatively, your your local conservation departments, your nonprofits, natural Resource
[1:07:58] Speaker 12: Conservation Service, Farm Service Agency. All those folks are collaborators
[1:08:03] Speaker 12: that would know about us and can refer us to.
[1:08:05] Speaker 12: But word of mouth is how we is how we
[1:08:08] Speaker 12: spread our names. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully we get some calls.
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: All right, I love it, man, This gets me fired up.
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: Thanks Jake, Thanks Paul. We'll talk to you guys soon.
[1:08:19] Speaker 9: Yeah, take care, guys.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: All right, that gets me super excited just because I'm like,
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: I'm into it. I'm in the rabbit hole and they
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: just sort of like they just mix me up in
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: the mud down there and get me all fired up.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: Does that at all interest you, guys? Like that's hearing
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: about doing that kind of work.
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: The the prospects of me owning a property are so
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: distant that it interests me less because I'm jealous of
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: you that you get to make those decisions and participate
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: in those things.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: All right, Well you're invited though, so you might get
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: the opportunity to go hunt that oak savannas.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: Okay, I like that Makila do there? Yeah? See all
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: them them pretty endangered butterflies.
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: Oh man, that's my like. Would be the best thing
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: ever is if I could be there one summer and
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: show my girls the monarch butterfly, and so because I
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: don't know if they've actually seen one yet. And I
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot of a lot of kids. Yeah,
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of kids that
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: are in that age right now, you know whatever, fifteen
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: and under that will maybe never see a monarch.
[1:09:22] Speaker 3: Butterfly in their lives. That sounds insane, right, doesn't it.
[1:09:26] Speaker 3: It's a terrible thing to think about.
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: So that's why I'm pumped on this is maybe we'll
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: just give them a little bit longer shot a keep
[1:09:32] Speaker 1: sticking around.
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: I liked your question about why the government would like
[1:09:37] Speaker 2: spend money or like, you know, take a haircut on
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: helping out a private landowner like you. It's like not
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: a new concept at all. Where Chile and I grew
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: up in the Great Plains, there was the Great Shelter
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: Belt Project, which restored all kinds of habitat and created
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: all sorts of new habitat CRP. That's one of the
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: biggest programs in the Great Plains. And wildlife don't know borders,
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: they don't care if it's public or private. It benefits everybody.
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, especially you know, and you can read this
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: on their website. Right east of the Mississippi, it's like
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: eighty percent of the land is private. So if you
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: don't have people doing this kind of stuff on that
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: amount of land, those little public vestiges just they can't
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: do it on their own, right, It's got to be
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: a bigger ecosystem. All right, Phil, let's wrap it up
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: with a few more questions.
[1:10:30] Speaker 5: Or I don't know if you have an answer to this,
[1:10:32] Speaker 5: or if this even would have been a good question
[1:10:33] Speaker 5: for Jacob or Bow. But Kevin Morse asks, how do
[1:10:36] Speaker 5: you stop deer from eating the good tree tops after logging,
[1:10:39] Speaker 5: leaving nothing but less desirable underbrush. We're having that issue
[1:10:43] Speaker 5: on our lodge property.
[1:10:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kevin's asking when he says the good
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: tree tops meaning like probably new growth of young, desirable
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: trees as they want to keep. Yeah, we haven't had
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: that problem yet because we're going to such a flush
[1:11:01] Speaker 1: of the desirable trees that there's enough and our deer
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: population is low enough that they're not hammering them. I mean,
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: they do nibble on them, but in places like that
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: where you have to go to more extreme measures. I've
[1:11:14] Speaker 1: been reading up on it. Ah, it's a lot. You
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: can you can basically cage them out. You can, there's
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: people have done fencing literally. There's also a thing that
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: after you've done the logging, you can use the logging
[1:11:31] Speaker 1: slash slash itself to build basically a perimeter around certain
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: zones and those will keep the deer out. But again,
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: it takes time and money and effort to you know,
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: build these, you know, literally, you know, ten foot tall,
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: ten foot wide walls of slash to keep deer out
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: of zones like that. Yeah, that's that's kind of what
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: I've seen so far. I know that it's a I
[1:11:55] Speaker 1: guess you can shoot deer that that's a good way
[1:11:58] Speaker 1: to do it is shoot a lot of dose to
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: you know, limit your deer population a little bit. But
[1:12:04] Speaker 1: I know that there's certain, definitely certain places in the
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: United States where it's a big issue is to kind
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: of keep the deer back from eating all the good trees.
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: Cool.
[1:12:16] Speaker 5: Let's see here, if Andrew is asking Spencer, how was
[1:12:19] Speaker 5: the trip to Isle Royale. I think you might have
[1:12:22] Speaker 5: covered this a little on trivia possibly, I don't remember,
[1:12:25] Speaker 5: But have you talked about this at all?
[1:12:27] Speaker 2: I don't think I have. I loved it, Andrew it was.
[1:12:29] Speaker 2: It was super cool. It's a part of the world
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: I'm very interested in, specifically because of the world's longest
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: predator prey study that's been taking place there for the
[1:12:40] Speaker 2: last seventy five years. If you're not familiar, there are
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: wolves on the island and there are moose on the island,
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: and it's one of the best ways that biologists can
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: study how those two animals interact. And so to get
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: to be in that place in the middle of Lake Superior,
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: it was a lot of fun. Got to spend four
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: hours out there, and it's referred to as an island,
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: but it's so big that the island has enormous lakes
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: on them that have enormous islands that have lakes on them,
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: so when you're there, it doesn't register that you're on
[1:13:13] Speaker 2: an island. It's forty five miles long and I think
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: like five miles wide. So it's a cool spot. If
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: you live in that part of the country, you should
[1:13:23] Speaker 2: go check it out. And it's not necessarily easy to
[1:13:26] Speaker 2: get to. I booked my ferry tickets in January for
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: a trip in June, and I think come February they
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: were sold out. So start planning ahead.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: Oh wow, if that's something that you sold out for
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: the entire summer.
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: Yes, it's a short window. They only run those ferries
[1:13:41] Speaker 2: for like three months or something, a couple times a day,
[1:13:44] Speaker 2: So start planning that now if you ever want to
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: go there.
[1:13:49] Speaker 5: Cool, Johanni, I think we've gotten some spring hunting stories
[1:13:53] Speaker 5: from you. But Chili or Spencer Canadian hunter asks how
[1:13:59] Speaker 5: was how were the guys spring bear and or turkey seasons?
[1:14:03] Speaker 4: Mine was non existent, at least for back here in
[1:14:05] Speaker 4: Montana because I took that New Zealand trip on a
[1:14:09] Speaker 4: tar down there, which would have been the beginning of
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: the spring season up here. So for the first two
[1:14:15] Speaker 4: and a half weeks I was out and then got
[1:14:17] Speaker 4: back into work and then took a trip to Alaska
[1:14:20] Speaker 4: for a production shoot with Steve and the crew, so
[1:14:24] Speaker 4: I didn't I got zero days for bear and I
[1:14:28] Speaker 4: had one day for turkey.
[1:14:31] Speaker 2: I bear hunted four days, did not kill one. Turkey
[1:14:35] Speaker 2: hunted zero days. My spring was really focused on planting
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: some stuff in my yard this year.
[1:14:41] Speaker 6: You're not a big turkey guy, are you, Spencer?
[1:14:43] Speaker 2: I'm not. No. I travel enough hunting in the fall
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: that when spring comes around I'm interested in fish and rocks,
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: so I looked for a lot of fish and rocks
[1:14:53] Speaker 2: this spring instead.
[1:14:54] Speaker 5: Cool last call for questions. We're gonna take a couple
[1:14:57] Speaker 5: more if you get them in here. But Noah asks Spencer,
[1:15:00] Speaker 5: will you ever take the opportunity to bowhunt whitetail instead
[1:15:02] Speaker 5: of using a rifle?
[1:15:04] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:15:04] Speaker 2: I used to bowhunt a lot. I bow hunted last season.
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: I bow hunted the season before that. I didn't at
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: kill anything either time. I got away from bow hunting
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: when I moved to Montana, and I didn't have like
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: a property that's set up really well to do that.
[1:15:24] Speaker 2: To be successful bow hunting deer, you wouldither like need
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: a place that you're very familiar with, like Giannis has
[1:15:31] Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, or you're just like a really badass traveling
[1:15:38] Speaker 2: bowhunter who is willing to commit ten days to going
[1:15:41] Speaker 2: somewhere and setting up stands or doing hanging hunts. Right now,
[1:15:45] Speaker 2: I value just like traveling to different places in hunting,
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: and so I could do two rifle deer hunts in
[1:15:52] Speaker 2: that ten days in the same amount of time I
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: could do one white tail bowhunt. You're also then doing
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: a lot more sk outing in the summer, the pendulum
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: will swing back the other way someday. I'm not there
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: right now. Right now, I just really love traveling to
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: New States and rifle hunting white tails.
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: He's also going to be so successful that he's going
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: to end up having his own white tail property that
[1:16:17] Speaker 1: he's going to manage turned into a big old oak savanna,
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: and then he'll be bowhunt a bunch.
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: I used to live, you know, ten miles from where
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: I would bowhunt a lot, and I would bowhunt thirty
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: five days a year. My biggest dear ever killed us
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: with the bow. I think my third biggest dear ever
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: killed us with the bow. It'll happen again someday.
[1:16:36] Speaker 6: Cool.
[1:16:37] Speaker 5: Uh, I think we're out of questions here. But let's see.
[1:16:42] Speaker 5: Someone had a question for me that I was going
[1:16:44] Speaker 5: to make a joke about. But it's not worth it.
[1:16:47] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, hotlines Tribe ask Phil with editing software for video,
[1:16:49] Speaker 5: do you recommend to get into making contact content? Please
[1:16:53] Speaker 5: and thank you. I am not the guy to ask
[1:16:55] Speaker 5: this question. I've been doing audio since right out of college,
[1:16:58] Speaker 5: and so everything that I learned in college around video
[1:17:01] Speaker 5: editing and software, I mean, I'm completely out of touch
[1:17:04] Speaker 5: on everything's moved on, and I haven't really done any
[1:17:07] Speaker 5: video editing for twelve years, so honestly, you tell me, please,
[1:17:12] Speaker 5: I'd love.
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: To know chat, GPT chat exactly.
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: Just generative AI.
[1:17:16] Speaker 6: I'm a huge proponent of that.
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for tuning in and listening to
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: USA Banter Along. Tune in again next week when there's
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: gonna be Mark Kenyon, Ryan Callahan and Spencer Newhart in
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: the host chair.
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: Is that right?
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: That's right, fourth of July everyone, that's right for Yeah,
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: I have a great time celebrating, and stay safe, be
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: smart out there this weekend, and we'll catch you next week.
[1:17:45] Speaker 2: Bye now,

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