# Ep. 866: The Boundary Waters Tragedy, Oklahoma CWD, and Mutilated Paddlefish

An episode of [The MeatEater Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/960902903), 23 Apr 2026, 1 h 38 min.

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Steven Rinella and the MeatEater crew discuss: A toxic sulfide mine just outside the Boundary Waters Wilderness gets a thumbs up from Senate Republicans; Oklahoma lets loose its pet deer into the wild; how paddlefish anglers in Missouri are mutilating then releasing fish; a meteor shower; and more. Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hit It Phil Boom. This week on the news show,
[0:05] Speaker 1: we're talking about Senate Republicans giving a big old thumbs
[0:08] Speaker 1: up to a toxic copper sulfide mine just outside of
[0:12] Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters Wilderness on the Superior National Forest. Oklahoma
[0:16] Speaker 1: starts letting deer breeders cut their pet deer loose in
[0:19] Speaker 1: the wild, thinking it'll somehow help genetics, despite any reason
[0:23] Speaker 1: to think so. Paddlefish anglers in Missouri are practicing catch,
[0:29] Speaker 1: mutilate and release fishing has made that up. Spencer's interested
[0:34] Speaker 1: in a meteor shower, which is cool yea. And Steve
[0:37] Speaker 1: Bitches even more about Colorado's asenine animal rights movement, plus
[0:43] Speaker 1: a lot more. Joined today by doctor Randa Williams. Jordan
[0:47] Speaker 1: Sillers is here from Blood Trails podcasts and many other things.
[0:50] Speaker 2: Dr Jordan Stillers sorry, Doctor Jordan's.
[0:53] Speaker 3: Side of the table.
[0:54] Speaker 2: It's fine, fine, I'm a big credentialist.
[0:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor Jordan Sillers is here.
[0:59] Speaker 4: Jack's instage Spencer B A.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Spencer Newhart, g BG b A. Brody Henderson.
[1:17] Speaker 5: You did a great job reading that intro, but I'm
[1:19] Speaker 5: curious as to whether you mistakenly said Steve Bitches or
[1:23] Speaker 5: you're now referring to yourself as Steve on the third person,
[1:26] Speaker 5: Like that's a thing.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Now, No, it's not, because it's I was just trying
[1:32] Speaker 1: to keep it the format. Yeah, it's like picture that
[1:36] Speaker 1: you're at home.
[1:37] Speaker 2: He dissociates for the introduction, pitch.
[1:41] Speaker 1: More about Colorado's Okay, anti Ferbank.
[1:44] Speaker 6: When you're talking to your wife, you're not like Steve
[1:46] Speaker 6: needs to clean his room.
[1:47] Speaker 1: No, No, I'm going to bitch about the Colorado's Firman, Okay.
[1:54] Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of just it's yeah, I'm just
[1:56] Speaker 1: gonna go off on it for a while, like an hour.
[1:58] Speaker 6: I want to hear it.
[2:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve and I just returned from Illinois. Was I
[2:07] Speaker 3: just did a roast episode. I was watching the edit
[2:09] Speaker 3: and uh, I said that the montas Tenna State University
[2:13] Speaker 3: Bobcats pounded the Illinois whoever. Yeah, you know, for whatever reason.
[2:21] Speaker 3: Growing up, Like, I just said that a lot. And
[2:23] Speaker 3: it was later in life when I was finally corrected.
[2:26] Speaker 3: And it's still just a.
[2:27] Speaker 2: Hard habit to break for me.
[2:29] Speaker 3: Anyways, we were in Illinois hunting turkeys with the winners,
[2:33] Speaker 3: actually not the winner. We hunted with the brothers in
[2:37] Speaker 3: law of the winner of last year's r.
[2:40] Speaker 1: C had a baby and couldn't make it, Yeah, or was.
[2:44] Speaker 3: His wife was about to have a baby and couldn't
[2:47] Speaker 3: be gone, and so he sent his two brothers in law,
[2:50] Speaker 3: which was very nice of him, And I felt like,
[2:52] Speaker 3: what a great thing for all three of those brothers
[2:54] Speaker 3: to be so lucky to marry into that group of
[2:57] Speaker 3: people and be like, oh, you're running your brother in
[2:59] Speaker 3: law and oh you like to hunt a lot? I
[3:01] Speaker 3: mean not everybody gets that.
[3:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[3:04] Speaker 3: Anyways, amazing hunt. Quite possibly the best day of Eastern
[3:09] Speaker 3: turkey hunting I've experienced. Would you say yours was equally
[3:12] Speaker 3: as good?
[3:13] Speaker 1: We had a hell of a day one day. Very
[3:15] Speaker 1: interesting day, Yeah, very interesting day.
[3:19] Speaker 3: Lots of birds playing ball, as we like to say. Yeah,
[3:22] Speaker 3: made me feel like a real expert turkey caller. Are
[3:26] Speaker 3: we gonna go into talking about any of the details
[3:29] Speaker 3: of the hunting or you.
[3:29] Speaker 6: Get any of those like thirty pounders?
[3:32] Speaker 1: No huge?
[3:33] Speaker 3: No, No, they're big, but you know, we had a
[3:36] Speaker 3: bunch of scales that didn't have batteries in them, and
[3:38] Speaker 3: so it's hard to weigh.
[3:41] Speaker 1: I felt like I had a lifetime of turkey experiences
[3:44] Speaker 1: in one day probably the best. You know, Like, you know,
[3:46] Speaker 1: Turkey's like to strut on railroad tracks, so does this
[3:50] Speaker 1: group of turkeys in this place is like it's nothing
[3:52] Speaker 1: but railroad tracks. It's like railroad tracks because we're hunting
[3:56] Speaker 1: along a valley. The tracks go down the valley. Trains
[3:59] Speaker 1: are amazing your major part of hunting. Here Turkey's strutting
[4:04] Speaker 1: on the tracks. And it leads to the question, like
[4:06] Speaker 1: what do they do when the train comes? So like
[4:08] Speaker 1: you get all excited thinking the train's gonna come and
[4:10] Speaker 1: they're gonna go flying way off. You know, when the
[4:13] Speaker 1: train comes, they step out of the way. I mean
[4:17] Speaker 1: they stepped out of the way the train going by,
[4:21] Speaker 1: and they're like like, unlet's just go down the embankment
[4:26] Speaker 1: and stand there.
[4:27] Speaker 3: These aren't slow ass Montana trains like the one I
[4:31] Speaker 3: deal with almost on a daily basis that you feel
[4:34] Speaker 3: like you could just about run next to and grab
[4:36] Speaker 3: the ladder and jump onto the Like I stepped out
[4:40] Speaker 3: of the way for a train. And when I was
[4:42] Speaker 3: with Andy, we took a video. I mean that sucker
[4:45] Speaker 3: was humming like like a solid sixty miles an hour,
[4:48] Speaker 3: just like the cars are just like half a second.
[4:53] Speaker 5: You know, you know you've talked about fly seeing a
[4:56] Speaker 5: hand coming at them.
[4:57] Speaker 6: Maybe the turkeys.
[4:57] Speaker 1: It's so fair, yeah, so fair us. It seems slow
[5:01] Speaker 1: to them. A lot of turkey hunt experiences.
[5:05] Speaker 3: A lot of turkey hunting. Yeah, it was It was cool.
[5:07] Speaker 3: They played ball. But we just want to give everybody
[5:10] Speaker 3: a heads up that we're going to have the time
[5:13] Speaker 3: period when you can buy raffle tickets for next year
[5:17] Speaker 3: or next year's for the twenty twenty seven hunt. And
[5:19] Speaker 3: I believe we're working on securing the same form.
[5:23] Speaker 1: I think that if he's up for it, and he said,
[5:27] Speaker 1: let me know if you want to do this again,
[5:29] Speaker 1: if that host is up for it, that will be
[5:32] Speaker 1: the home. Yep. Both of the winners got their birds. Yep,
[5:37] Speaker 1: fairly quickly. They both My guy got his first ever turkey.
[5:43] Speaker 1: My buddy Andy came out and shift shift.
[5:47] Speaker 3: For it makes it worth it.
[5:51] Speaker 1: We had smoke king, salmon, meal deer uh. We had
[5:57] Speaker 1: spot proms from Alaska. We had like Mule do your
[6:00] Speaker 1: kill Basa. Our host one night brought over ribb eyes.
[6:05] Speaker 1: We had razor clams.
[6:07] Speaker 3: He did that thing with the We talked about this
[6:10] Speaker 3: before on a show where you velvet the meat with
[6:13] Speaker 3: the baking soda, you know, and then he deep fried
[6:16] Speaker 3: it and did like a asiany kind of a dish,
[6:20] Speaker 3: so good.
[6:20] Speaker 2: And I wonder if we could sell more tickets to
[6:23] Speaker 2: the raffle if it was like you guys, and then
[6:28] Speaker 2: more of us also come along too.
[6:30] Speaker 1: I think so yeah, But I don't know. But it's
[6:33] Speaker 1: a it's I don't know, it's not an infinite turkey
[6:37] Speaker 1: spot that we should probably and hunt and listen. I
[6:44] Speaker 1: actually you want to hear like a long story.
[6:48] Speaker 3: But no, because it has a this is there's something
[6:53] Speaker 3: to be learned from Andy's story, and this is what
[6:56] Speaker 3: it is. But I'll tell you that first, and then
[6:57] Speaker 3: you tell me if we should tell the story. He
[7:00] Speaker 3: basically missed a bunch of turkeys and we can just
[7:02] Speaker 3: say say that's it. I can tell you about all
[7:05] Speaker 3: the hunts.
[7:05] Speaker 4: How many is a bunch?
[7:07] Speaker 3: He missed three different We.
[7:10] Speaker 1: Talk like missed opportunities, missshots, and the missed opportunity great.
[7:14] Speaker 1: I've been friends with him, I've been friends with him
[7:18] Speaker 1: since we were like in school.
[7:21] Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to hearing his version at the Shack
[7:23] Speaker 6: this summer.
[7:24] Speaker 3: He's still in that place of turkey hunting. When that
[7:27] Speaker 3: gobler comes over the ridge and there's his head and
[7:29] Speaker 3: all you can see is his head, and you have
[7:31] Speaker 3: two seconds maybe three to kill him. He's not processing
[7:36] Speaker 3: all of that fast enough to go there. He is,
[7:39] Speaker 3: bang and kill him. He goes, oh, okay, turkey, okay,
[7:42] Speaker 3: one more step and then I'll pull it and then
[7:44] Speaker 3: the turkey's gone, you know. But here's the deal. After
[7:48] Speaker 3: all that, we get back, we're rushing. It's the last
[7:50] Speaker 3: morning we got to get to the airport. And I'm like,
[7:53] Speaker 3: we got to shoot this gun because he's shooting my gun,
[7:56] Speaker 3: and I'm going to shoot the gun because I want
[7:58] Speaker 3: to see if my gun's off. So I set up
[8:00] Speaker 3: a target thirty yards, pull the trigger, smoke it. It's
[8:03] Speaker 3: got a red yeah, red dot. And uh so I
[8:07] Speaker 3: got this box that I oh unfolded so it's super long.
[8:10] Speaker 3: I just drew a bunch of black circles on it,
[8:12] Speaker 3: and the way I put up against the tree, one
[8:14] Speaker 3: is like thirty inches off the ground, and then other
[8:16] Speaker 3: black circles like at ground level. I said, all right,
[8:19] Speaker 3: sit down and shoot that top top circle. He shoots it.
[8:22] Speaker 3: The whole patterns on the bottom circle like at least
[8:26] Speaker 3: two feet low. And I didn't have him repeat it
[8:30] Speaker 3: because he's shootings my tss ammo at twelve bucks every
[8:33] Speaker 3: time he pulls the trigger. And uh, but the best
[8:37] Speaker 3: I can figure you guys, can you know, give me
[8:40] Speaker 3: your opinion on this. But I know that with a pistol,
[8:43] Speaker 3: when I start missing the target, you know what I'm
[8:46] Speaker 3: doing is I'm pushing into that gun and I'm missing
[8:50] Speaker 3: low because I'm like anticipating in recoils, I'm pushing the
[8:53] Speaker 3: gun and the pushing the barrel down, And that's why
[8:56] Speaker 3: you miss low because usually, like if someone that has
[8:59] Speaker 3: a real bad flat insure a jerk right, they're like
[9:02] Speaker 3: pulling the gun left or right, like a right he
[9:04] Speaker 3: usually is gonna jerk it right lefty jerks that left
[9:08] Speaker 3: or maybe up a little bit. But I feel like
[9:10] Speaker 3: here he was sort of.
[9:11] Speaker 7: Preloading, countering the recoil, counting the recoil, and before he
[9:15] Speaker 7: got the trigger to break his gun was you know,
[9:19] Speaker 7: and thirty yards he was two feet low.
[9:23] Speaker 2: You have named two feet above the head of the turkey.
[9:25] Speaker 3: Well, I mean had we gone right back out, yeah,
[9:27] Speaker 3: we maybe would have had had to do.
[9:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, he did in troubleshoot these misses till after the fact. Yeah, yeah, phenomenal,
[9:34] Speaker 1: phenomenal clause.
[9:35] Speaker 3: I want to wrap it up with this. I feel
[9:37] Speaker 3: bad because I think about all the people out there
[9:41] Speaker 3: that have had experiences like that and without diagnosing that,
[9:46] Speaker 3: their friends just go, you're a shitty shot, bud, and
[9:49] Speaker 3: they believe it, and no one like fixes it, and
[9:53] Speaker 3: they go through their life being like, oh man, I'm
[9:54] Speaker 3: a shitty shot. Maybe they quit hunting or or whatever
[9:57] Speaker 3: it is, but like.
[10:00] Speaker 1: Then they're putt a name to the problem.
[10:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's fixable, right, Like do the old thing
[10:05] Speaker 3: where you get your buddy and then he either loads
[10:08] Speaker 3: or doesn't load the shotgun for you and the hands
[10:10] Speaker 3: it to you and it has you shoot at the target.
[10:13] Speaker 3: And then when he gives you one, it's empty, and
[10:15] Speaker 3: you know, you pull the trigger and go.
[10:17] Speaker 1: And jump.
[10:19] Speaker 3: Then you know, you know, you got a little bit
[10:20] Speaker 3: of a flinch.
[10:21] Speaker 1: Last thought about Illinois turkey hunting is that one o'clock
[10:24] Speaker 1: cut off? You gotta quit it one? Yeah, just changes it.
[10:28] Speaker 1: It's humane, it's more humane for humans. Yeah, could you
[10:32] Speaker 1: get you get.
[10:34] Speaker 3: A nice nap in.
[10:35] Speaker 5: I used to be against it, but now I think
[10:37] Speaker 5: I like it because you just concentrate all your effort
[10:40] Speaker 5: in half a day and not worry about the rest.
[10:43] Speaker 1: I'll tell you what time it gets light to the
[10:46] Speaker 1: time it gets dark.
[10:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you said, often, if you're hunting the
[10:51] Speaker 3: whole whole day like that, you do come in. You
[10:53] Speaker 3: take a little breaks in your mind. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[10:57] Speaker 3: You gotta use toothpicks to keep.
[10:59] Speaker 1: Ten o'clock getting supposed to be brutal.
[11:03] Speaker 3: Were at every night? It was beautiful anyway, So keep
[11:08] Speaker 3: an eye and an ear out from when we start
[11:10] Speaker 3: talking about next year's TRCP Turkey Hunt. It's gonna be
[11:14] Speaker 3: fun and phenomenal, all.
[11:16] Speaker 1: Right, Jordan. So it was supposed to do in your
[11:18] Speaker 1: your neck of the woods there, Jordan oh Man. Well, well, I'm.
[11:23] Speaker 8: Glad you asked, Steve. Blood Trail season two is out now.
[11:29] Speaker 8: First episode is out. We're going to be releasing them
[11:32] Speaker 8: every Thursday over the next eight weeks. So if you
[11:34] Speaker 8: didn't catch it last season, Blood Trails is our true
[11:38] Speaker 8: crime podcast about hunters and anglers, So we cover stories
[11:42] Speaker 8: where people outside get in some pretty serious trouble. So
[11:47] Speaker 8: we got a pretty interesting lineup this season from all
[11:50] Speaker 8: around the country. We have people who were killed, murdered,
[11:54] Speaker 8: people who disappeared without a trace. So I think, I think,
[11:59] Speaker 8: I hope people will enjoy it and tune in.
[12:01] Speaker 1: I thought of you today and I was reading an
[12:03] Speaker 1: article about a diver that just found a family that
[12:07] Speaker 1: had been missing since the fifties.
[12:09] Speaker 9: Oh Man in a lake or they.
[12:11] Speaker 1: Went out to cut Christmas tree boughs to make wreaths
[12:16] Speaker 1: outside of Portland and a diver just found their car. Wow.
[12:22] Speaker 1: They had kind of known a little bit about what
[12:24] Speaker 1: had happened because they found a couple of the family
[12:27] Speaker 1: members dead in the river, like in fifty nine or
[12:32] Speaker 1: something like that. So and the car had never turned up.
[12:37] Speaker 1: So one theory was that the car went into the river.
[12:42] Speaker 1: But there was like a big man hunt and a
[12:44] Speaker 1: big search, and now a diver found the family car
[12:49] Speaker 1: in more human remains.
[12:50] Speaker 9: That's wild.
[12:51] Speaker 1: Made me think about you. Yeah, well, isn't that funny
[12:54] Speaker 1: that that's how people think about you?
[12:55] Speaker 4: Now?
[12:55] Speaker 1: I know, I know you see my inbox the worst
[12:59] Speaker 1: news I read. I bet he'd like to hear about this.
[13:04] Speaker 1: That catches.
[13:06] Speaker 4: It's great in TV, it's kind of universally accepted that
[13:10] Speaker 4: season three of a show is the best. That's the peak.
[13:13] Speaker 4: It's where where your characters are established, your storylines are colliding.
[13:18] Speaker 4: Just the whole thing is sort of matured.
[13:19] Speaker 2: I don't have to recycle anything.
[13:21] Speaker 4: Season three is the pinnacle. So as good as Blood
[13:23] Speaker 4: Trails is in season two right now, mm, season three,
[13:28] Speaker 4: it gets even better.
[13:30] Speaker 1: I usually feel like by season three on TV shows,
[13:34] Speaker 1: I don't watch serial shows because of this reason. I
[13:36] Speaker 1: can start smelling them writing it.
[13:39] Speaker 3: I can.
[13:39] Speaker 1: I can smell them writing.
[13:41] Speaker 9: It like they're predictable.
[13:43] Speaker 1: I can smell them trying to keep it going okay,
[13:45] Speaker 1: like it's they're past the original idea. Not a whiff
[13:49] Speaker 1: of that in Blood Trails though, No, no, it's not
[13:52] Speaker 1: a serial drama.
[13:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil, that's that's like a thing, right.
[13:55] Speaker 3: Sure.
[13:55] Speaker 10: I don't necessarily agree because most of a lot of
[13:57] Speaker 10: my favorite TV shows, I think their best seasons are
[13:59] Speaker 10: like four and five. But I but I do think
[14:01] Speaker 10: season three is that's a pretty good theory.
[14:04] Speaker 5: That's something to think about though for the audience. One case,
[14:06] Speaker 5: and you do like twenty episodes on one case, so we.
[14:11] Speaker 8: Are this summer planning a three, three or four we
[14:14] Speaker 8: haven't decided yet. Mini series On one case, really.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah about when my fish got stolen. You're familiar
[14:22] Speaker 1: with it.
[14:22] Speaker 9: No, no, we're gonna do uh.
[14:24] Speaker 8: And we talked to them, actually, these guys who got
[14:27] Speaker 8: stuck over in Turks and Caicos because oh yeah, they
[14:31] Speaker 8: had their luggage, we did, but we interviewed them when
[14:35] Speaker 8: they were still stuck on the island, so they had
[14:37] Speaker 8: to be kind of careful about what they shared and
[14:39] Speaker 8: what they didn't.
[14:40] Speaker 9: Now they're home, you know. Spoiler alert.
[14:42] Speaker 1: Yes, there's enough there for three episodes.
[14:45] Speaker 9: Yeah, I saw listen.
[14:48] Speaker 8: I talked to the guy who was in prison out
[14:52] Speaker 8: over there for eight months. This prison was declared by
[14:56] Speaker 8: the UN to be a human rights violation. Wow, I
[14:59] Speaker 8: talked to him for five hours. It's there's some crazy
[15:03] Speaker 8: stories from a Turks and Caicos prison, as you might imagine.
[15:06] Speaker 9: So there's there's plenty there for uh.
[15:08] Speaker 1: I'll trust your instincts, I and your new season's off
[15:13] Speaker 1: to you a strong start.
[15:14] Speaker 8: Yes, yes, episode one is out. It's about a hunter
[15:17] Speaker 8: up near Helena. So this neck of the woods who
[15:20] Speaker 8: was murdered checked up too, Yeah, back in twenty eleven,
[15:24] Speaker 8: and his remains were found in two separate locations, and
[15:27] Speaker 8: so lots. You know that that story is a lot
[15:32] Speaker 8: of twists and turns. In that one, you think you
[15:34] Speaker 8: know what's happening, and then it's a you're not expecting,
[15:39] Speaker 8: what's what's about to happen?
[15:40] Speaker 3: Real characters. Yeah, my daughter and I listened over the
[15:43] Speaker 3: course of the last twenty four hours and we enjoyed it.
[15:46] Speaker 3: It was a good episode.
[15:47] Speaker 1: Good Yeah, thank you Phil. Corrections, corrections, corrections, the winner
[15:54] Speaker 1: correction this week. Win a Moultrie Edge three Pro trail
[15:58] Speaker 1: camera plus. And here's the important part. M plus a
[16:01] Speaker 1: one year subscription. That's what matters. Man.
[16:05] Speaker 3: I got mine recently. I didn't even know I could
[16:07] Speaker 3: do this. I need to get better at knowing my products.
[16:10] Speaker 3: I got mine rigged up now than the ones that
[16:12] Speaker 3: I have, the new ones where it only takes a
[16:15] Speaker 3: picture of a deer or a turkey.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Have you turned off have you turned off squares yet?
[16:21] Speaker 1: That's interesting?
[16:21] Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
[16:22] Speaker 6: If the other one trespassers walking.
[16:25] Speaker 1: Around, if a chup of copper comes by, what if
[16:27] Speaker 1: a bigfoot comes by? That's why I don't I like
[16:31] Speaker 1: the feature in theory, but in practice, do you really
[16:35] Speaker 1: wanted to tell your camera you get something earth shattering?
[16:38] Speaker 1: If there's a setting like like deer turkey or something crazy,
[16:43] Speaker 1: you cans one of.
[16:44] Speaker 6: The coolest things you're like an alligator walk.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, or like a chuop of cobber with an alligator.
[16:49] Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, I guess I'm taking a chance.
[16:53] Speaker 1: And this yeah, that's so.
[16:57] Speaker 3: That is that then?
[17:00] Speaker 1: And how you can turn off squares there's a grid
[17:04] Speaker 1: and if there's like areas that are always giving you
[17:05] Speaker 1: false trips, like if you got like birds fly by
[17:08] Speaker 1: and trip, you can be like, well, I'm gonna shut
[17:10] Speaker 1: those squares off, But what if a choop of coabra
[17:12] Speaker 1: comes through those squares, flying.
[17:15] Speaker 4: On the cont steam walking like a naked old man
[17:20] Speaker 4: walked by? Now Yanni doesn't have to subject himself to
[17:23] Speaker 4: seeing that.
[17:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
[17:24] Speaker 2: But what there might be some things you don't want
[17:26] Speaker 2: to see you won't be able to unsee.
[17:30] Speaker 1: So the winner of the winner of this week's trip
[17:33] Speaker 1: correction of the week will can sort through these conundrums
[17:37] Speaker 1: on the camera. Whether or not you want to get
[17:41] Speaker 1: specific with integrated AI technology or whether you want to
[17:46] Speaker 1: just see every crazy naked old man and chewp of
[17:48] Speaker 1: cobra out there. It's up to you, Okay, this is
[17:53] Speaker 1: one of those ones. We we got a lot of
[17:55] Speaker 1: crrections on the subject of the Tsavo man eaters, these
[17:59] Speaker 1: two lions that kept eating a bunch of people, so
[18:02] Speaker 1: many people in fact, that they shut down construction of
[18:04] Speaker 1: a railroad. We looked at a great painting where the
[18:07] Speaker 1: lions are eating the dude's foot. That was great painting,
[18:11] Speaker 1: and a lot of people wrote in they think that
[18:13] Speaker 1: the lions, I said, one hundred and forty people.
[18:17] Speaker 6: Well, that's what was in the book, the original book.
[18:19] Speaker 1: It seems like the lions probably eate closer than forty people.
[18:22] Speaker 1: Closer to forty people. There's a couple of little interesting
[18:25] Speaker 1: and again a correction can be like missing information. A
[18:28] Speaker 1: couple interesting tidbits. When render pest came through Africa and
[18:35] Speaker 1: started killing like almost wiped out Kate buffalo, right, So
[18:39] Speaker 1: this is also during the render pest epidemic, when prey
[18:43] Speaker 1: species were in massive decline.
[18:45] Speaker 6: You explain render past real quick.
[18:47] Speaker 3: You should.
[18:49] Speaker 1: I know it's a cattle disease that did a bunch
[18:52] Speaker 1: of did a bunch of animals in Africa caught when
[18:55] Speaker 1: it came in on cattle, But no, I can't have
[18:59] Speaker 1: the s can't go on forever.
[19:02] Speaker 6: That detail, Like, I think people would have not understood
[19:06] Speaker 6: what was going on.
[19:06] Speaker 1: A disease came in on cattle and wiped out tons
[19:09] Speaker 1: of African wildlife, including was the was devastating for Kate buffalo.
[19:13] Speaker 1: So these lions were potentially low on food because of
[19:17] Speaker 1: the render pest epidemic killing all the wildlife. They probably
[19:21] Speaker 1: had some dental injuries, that's supposed. And here's the other
[19:24] Speaker 1: thing is that while they were working on the railroad,
[19:30] Speaker 1: and also just because of cultural practices, there were more
[19:34] Speaker 1: human corpses out on the landscape in those days than
[19:37] Speaker 1: there are today, So a lion could get a taste
[19:40] Speaker 1: for eating folks just from that. It'd be like if
[19:46] Speaker 1: we you don't buy that.
[19:48] Speaker 5: No, then why wouldn't they just look for corpses. They
[19:50] Speaker 5: wouldn't be like, oh, I'm gonna go get like a
[19:52] Speaker 5: live human. I'm just not buying.
[19:55] Speaker 1: Like sure, all right, bro, he's not buying that part
[19:57] Speaker 1: either way. That's a correction, the meat of the correction
[20:01] Speaker 1: being forty not one forty. That's fair.
[20:06] Speaker 2: And they I read some of the studies that he
[20:09] Speaker 2: sent and they basically are looking because they have the
[20:11] Speaker 2: remains of these lions, they're looking at their hair and
[20:17] Speaker 2: bone collagen, and they can look at sort of the
[20:21] Speaker 2: chemical signatures of their diet and they show like you
[20:25] Speaker 2: could see, like month by month, how how much more
[20:28] Speaker 2: of their diet was humans. Oh really yeah, it's one
[20:32] Speaker 2: of the lions said, like in the final months of
[20:36] Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight, one of the lions peaked at roughly
[20:39] Speaker 2: thirty percent of its diet as humans.
[20:43] Speaker 4: Wow.
[20:45] Speaker 1: Ye uh okay. I brought up that hunters. I was
[20:51] Speaker 1: saying that fireron enthusiasts shooters could start a class action
[20:56] Speaker 1: lawsuit and sue the government for making suppress is hard
[21:00] Speaker 1: to get, and the class action lawsuit would be that
[21:04] Speaker 1: the government made us all go deaf. I was just
[21:08] Speaker 1: trying this out. I wasn't like, you know what I mean.
[21:13] Speaker 1: I wasn't I hadn't taken steps to initiate this class
[21:16] Speaker 1: action lawsuit, but I was amusing about the class action lawsuit.
[21:20] Speaker 1: An attorney wrote in and he basically is saying, good
[21:23] Speaker 1: luck with that. Hearing protection is widely available. The possibility
[21:31] Speaker 1: of hearing loss is widely documented. You don't have to
[21:36] Speaker 1: go shoot your gun. It's kind of your problem. He
[21:41] Speaker 1: thinks that this class action lawsuit is doomed to fail.
[21:49] Speaker 5: Interesting conversation we had earlier in regards to this one
[21:53] Speaker 5: of our employees who is in the military. There was
[21:58] Speaker 5: a company that provided hearing protection to everyone. They all,
[22:03] Speaker 5: and this guy said, they all still ended up with
[22:06] Speaker 5: hearing damage despite having hearing protection.
[22:10] Speaker 2: So and there was some liability on the part of
[22:12] Speaker 2: the manufacturer.
[22:14] Speaker 5: Despite the fact that hearing protection is widely available, that
[22:17] Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily mean it's going to prevent hearing loss.
[22:19] Speaker 1: He says. The actual cause of the hearing loss is
[22:22] Speaker 1: that we made decisions to fire guns without wearing readily
[22:26] Speaker 1: available hearing protection. Since hearing protection is readily available at
[22:31] Speaker 1: nearly every sportsman shop, each of us had ample opportunity
[22:34] Speaker 1: to prevent hearing loss. I'm not writing this because I
[22:38] Speaker 1: oppose the idea. I'm writing this with institutional knowledge of
[22:42] Speaker 1: the legal world and would hate to see someone waste
[22:45] Speaker 1: their money or time exploring such a farce. I think
[22:49] Speaker 1: it's mean.
[22:55] Speaker 6: Your case is a farce.
[22:57] Speaker 4: If you decide to pursue this, Steve, you'll have a
[23:01] Speaker 4: lot of backers. I don't know if this crossed your desk,
[23:03] Speaker 4: but you talking about this when viral on TikTok got
[23:07] Speaker 4: half a million views, twenty thousand likes. Oh so people
[23:10] Speaker 4: are like that, that's Steve Vanella. We could win this thing.
[23:13] Speaker 1: I do a lot of social media.
[23:15] Speaker 6: This guy's got a great lawyer name though Squire. Yeah,
[23:18] Speaker 6: Dylan Esquire.
[23:22] Speaker 2: Alright, our next correction comes for me. He writes in
[23:30] Speaker 2: I'm a ballistian who specializes in small caliber internal ballistics.
[23:34] Speaker 2: It's a fascinating field.
[23:36] Speaker 1: Are you just gonna seriously just breeze past he's a ballistician.
[23:40] Speaker 6: Because that's cool.
[23:40] Speaker 3: I didn't know.
[23:41] Speaker 1: No, it's great.
[23:42] Speaker 2: No, that's why I'm reading this. That's why I'm reading
[23:45] Speaker 2: his introduction words.
[23:46] Speaker 1: I'm a ballistician.
[23:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, like you want to talk about bona fides, and
[23:52] Speaker 5: I like his specialty in small caliber internal ballistics.
[23:58] Speaker 1: The hell's he?
[23:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, internal ballistics is from the ignition to the muzzle,
[24:06] Speaker 2: which is fascinating.
[24:07] Speaker 1: He says, it's all the truth. You think you think
[24:08] Speaker 1: he's lying.
[24:09] Speaker 2: He says it's a fascinating field, which is in general
[24:11] Speaker 2: poorly understood by most gun owners.
[24:14] Speaker 1: His name's Geoff. Yeah. I like this guy.
[24:17] Speaker 2: He in that episode when we're discussing suppressors, I sort
[24:21] Speaker 2: of off handedly at the end made a very dry
[24:23] Speaker 2: joke that there's someone out there working on quiet gunpowder,
[24:27] Speaker 2: and so he wrote in to say that that's impossible.
[24:33] Speaker 2: He says, the noise generated by a gunshot comes from
[24:35] Speaker 2: two things, the rapid expansion of gases and the supersonic
[24:38] Speaker 2: crack of the projectiles that breaks the sound barrier.
[24:41] Speaker 1: There.
[24:41] Speaker 2: It really isn't a way to make an inherently quieter
[24:43] Speaker 2: chemical propellant, as it's the gas expansion and subsequent release
[24:47] Speaker 2: of pressure that makes the noise. It's essentially a very
[24:50] Speaker 2: high pressure version of popping a balloon. And then he
[24:53] Speaker 2: goes on. He goes on to say that even air
[24:58] Speaker 2: guns are allowed. When you get up to the larger
[25:03] Speaker 2: air rifles, the most powerful air guns can do about
[25:06] Speaker 2: six thousand psi at the chamber. Your average sixty five
[25:09] Speaker 2: creed more has a chamber pressure of ten times that
[25:12] Speaker 2: and two to three times that at the muzzle, depending
[25:14] Speaker 2: on powder charge, bulletweight, and barrel length. The only way
[25:17] Speaker 2: to mitigate this is to use the suppressor to slow
[25:20] Speaker 2: down gas expansion. Now you're just letting go of the
[25:23] Speaker 2: balloon instead of popping it, which is a great, great
[25:26] Speaker 2: illustration Aside from that, make sure you're using ammunition thin
[25:29] Speaker 2: gets full powder burned before the bullet exits the tubes.
[25:32] Speaker 2: Short barrels, especially on ars, are notorious for being many
[25:35] Speaker 2: flash bangs as the last of the powder charge is
[25:38] Speaker 2: burned externally. It really doesn't make it quieter, but it
[25:41] Speaker 2: does cut down on how concussive the shot is. And
[25:43] Speaker 2: micro TBIs are cumulative. So what's a TBI traumatic brain injury?
[25:50] Speaker 1: Oh, there is the study.
[25:52] Speaker 2: There is a story in the Times, like a couple
[25:54] Speaker 2: months ago about how how much brain damage just done
[26:01] Speaker 2: like shooting pistols indoors And it was I mean I
[26:05] Speaker 2: don't remember.
[26:05] Speaker 6: It was a concussion.
[26:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, just like micro concussions hitting you all the time.
[26:09] Speaker 1: See, I don't do that that wants to I was smart.
[26:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[26:13] Speaker 6: It seems like this guy's telling you you made a
[26:14] Speaker 6: really bad joke.
[26:16] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I know.
[26:19] Speaker 2: I rewatched it to make sure that I you did.
[26:22] Speaker 1: The delivery was randall sense it.
[26:25] Speaker 2: Well, it's just like I was like, how bad was
[26:28] Speaker 2: my delivery that that wasn't understood as a joke. But nonetheless,
[26:31] Speaker 2: I'm glad this guy wrote in because I like his
[26:33] Speaker 2: like his style.
[26:34] Speaker 1: Well, I'm voting for him because I like it that
[26:36] Speaker 1: he's a ballistician.
[26:38] Speaker 4: Yes, I like that he's an old man who still
[26:40] Speaker 4: puts two spaces between period and capitalized.
[26:43] Speaker 3: That's great. I'm glad.
[26:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, I always appreciate seeing that.
[26:47] Speaker 1: You know, you vote for reason.
[26:50] Speaker 4: I'm just saying I like that this person learned to
[26:52] Speaker 4: type on a type.
[26:53] Speaker 9: I'm not voting him for that reason.
[26:55] Speaker 1: Okay, OKAYR vote the vote Savo man eaters three votes.
[27:06] Speaker 4: Okay.
[27:09] Speaker 1: Class action lawsuit not Gonna work is one of zero votes,
[27:12] Speaker 1: zero votes, Randall being dumb.
[27:19] Speaker 6: Clear winner.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Ye.
[27:24] Speaker 2: At first when I read because his subject lind his
[27:26] Speaker 2: low volume powder, and I was like, man, this is
[27:28] Speaker 2: gonna be really interesting. I thought he was talking about
[27:31] Speaker 2: like the volume of powder in a case, and then
[27:34] Speaker 2: I realized it was about my bad joke.
[27:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, enjoy your camera and your subscription multi camera and subscription,
[27:43] Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
[27:45] Speaker 3: A couple of.
[27:46] Speaker 1: Listener emails, guy wrote in that his wife makes him
[27:51] Speaker 1: go to Greek or see. This is terrible. I'm gonna
[27:54] Speaker 1: read it anyways. He's Roman Catholic and he says when
[27:59] Speaker 1: I when we go to my church, you know, church
[28:02] Speaker 1: service is forty five.
[28:03] Speaker 4: Minutes he's home for kickoff.
[28:05] Speaker 1: He says his wife is Greek Orthodox, and he says
[28:08] Speaker 1: they get a little carried away. He's been listening to
[28:12] Speaker 1: the podcast in there because he's got these new hearing
[28:15] Speaker 1: aids that bluetooth in, so no one knows what he's doing.
[28:18] Speaker 1: They don't even know that. They don't think he's listening
[28:20] Speaker 1: to anything. He's piping in on his hearing aids.
[28:23] Speaker 3: Hero.
[28:23] Speaker 1: But he says, now and then he's in there smirking.
[28:26] Speaker 6: You can't say this guy's name, or his wife's gonna
[28:29] Speaker 6: find no.
[28:29] Speaker 1: No, no, He told his wife that might have given
[28:33] Speaker 1: don't say his name because then the preacher might.
[28:34] Speaker 3: Get Yeah, he confessed to his wife. Since it was obvious,
[28:38] Speaker 3: I had no painful expressions on my face. It was
[28:41] Speaker 3: smiling from the time. We don't want to church.
[28:44] Speaker 1: No, no two hour service, two hour service to that church.
[28:48] Speaker 4: He felt like he needed to have more painful expressions.
[28:51] Speaker 4: That's what he's saying.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Okay, No, they didn't have the usual scowl.
[28:56] Speaker 6: Being worse of it as a two hour service with
[28:58] Speaker 6: a gobbler right outside the church.
[29:00] Speaker 3: I know.
[29:00] Speaker 1: And then you couldn't hunt in Mississippi because I be
[29:02] Speaker 1: against the law as covered on the news show. Another
[29:06] Speaker 1: guy wrote it and just make real quick. He used
[29:08] Speaker 1: to be struggle with do with his remains. I've talked
[29:10] Speaker 1: about that. I would like my remains hauled out in
[29:12] Speaker 1: the mountains where they could be eaten by a bear.
[29:14] Speaker 1: He had an idea, which is very interesting because the
[29:17] Speaker 1: problem my idea is then you got us task your
[29:19] Speaker 1: family members with like like carrying your carcass.
[29:22] Speaker 3: Around and then probably becoming a future episode of blood trails.
[29:27] Speaker 1: His idea, you just get cremated and then mix it
[29:32] Speaker 1: in and put it at a black bear bait station,
[29:37] Speaker 1: so that way you can be eaten by bears very conveniently. Yeah.
[29:41] Speaker 3: I wonder if you went the green burial route and
[29:44] Speaker 3: you went through that paperwork or whatever, and then instead
[29:48] Speaker 3: of doing the burial, you just ended up at the
[29:51] Speaker 3: bait station kind of hole like you want to be
[29:54] Speaker 3: like if that would pass.
[29:56] Speaker 1: But if you did that and then a dude killed
[29:59] Speaker 1: a bear at that eight station and then he learned
[30:01] Speaker 1: he ate you, he's gonna be not happy.
[30:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay.
[30:07] Speaker 1: Whatever they have.
[30:08] Speaker 4: They have little trees you can buy where you add
[30:11] Speaker 4: like the compost to it. It's supposed to be cremated remains,
[30:14] Speaker 4: so then you're like growing that tree, and then someone
[30:16] Speaker 4: could put a tree stand in it. Someday it's an option.
[30:20] Speaker 1: Lost things do with your body. I talked.
[30:22] Speaker 8: I talked to a guy up in Maine, canine handler
[30:26] Speaker 8: for Search and rescue.
[30:28] Speaker 9: He told me that their dogs can smell.
[30:33] Speaker 8: They they smelled some like bear scat or coyote scat,
[30:37] Speaker 8: and they signaled on it because they could smell the
[30:40] Speaker 8: human that they'd eaten. So it had gone through the
[30:44] Speaker 8: digestive tract and the dogs could still smell it in
[30:47] Speaker 8: that scat, which I thought was pretty Is that covered
[30:49] Speaker 8: in Blood Trails episode two?
[30:51] Speaker 9: Coming out?
[30:51] Speaker 2: This cools gracious guys, pro there you go, oh.
[30:55] Speaker 3: Man, but you know what you guys are commenting on
[31:00] Speaker 3: how good his idea is. He has a question at
[31:03] Speaker 3: the end of his email. His question is that he.
[31:07] Speaker 1: Knows the idea.
[31:09] Speaker 3: He knows that there's going to be other critters coming
[31:11] Speaker 3: in there to eat his remains, like raccoons, and he
[31:15] Speaker 3: doesn't like raccoons for some reason, and so he wants
[31:18] Speaker 3: to know how to keep raccoons and other pests away
[31:21] Speaker 3: from the bear bane, only let the bears eat it.
[31:24] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[31:26] Speaker 6: Hanging that stuff up where, hanging in a way that.
[31:29] Speaker 3: You can't I say, you shouldn't be against the raccoons
[31:35] Speaker 3: the critters too. Let them eat some of you and
[31:37] Speaker 3: spread you around the woods a little bit. You know, like,
[31:40] Speaker 3: what's the problem with the coons?
[31:41] Speaker 1: Just give it or give it to Clay and have
[31:43] Speaker 1: Clay put it and you'll have eight bears eating it.
[31:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, But what happens if the raccoons really get after
[31:49] Speaker 2: it and you're like clean it out. You're like, oh,
[31:52] Speaker 2: what was the deal with so and so. He's like, oh,
[31:54] Speaker 2: well his final wish was to be eaten by bear raccoons.
[31:57] Speaker 2: And then you're like, well he was mostly eating by raccoons,
[32:00] Speaker 2: but one bear did come in. You know, take some
[32:03] Speaker 2: of the romance out of it.
[32:04] Speaker 1: If you go a thin like you get your body
[32:10] Speaker 1: back and you put it the ashes at a low
[32:15] Speaker 1: ratio or ground up, howve you do it? If you
[32:18] Speaker 1: can get it ground up and mix it in a
[32:22] Speaker 1: lot and just make sure you got a lot of bait,
[32:25] Speaker 1: everything's gonna partake. You're gonna have ravens flying around with
[32:28] Speaker 1: you in them, crows flying around.
[32:30] Speaker 6: To be romantic if you're just going everywhere.
[32:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're all your naso predators, big Yeah, it's great.
[32:41] Speaker 1: Etiquick Yeah, and etiquette, etiquette, thank you.
[32:45] Speaker 5: Okay, turkey hunting, I exclusively hunt public land in Virginia.
[32:50] Speaker 5: Uh and a lot on the national forest. A lot
[32:52] Speaker 5: of the national forest out here butt right up against
[32:55] Speaker 5: private owned by people. Build little hunting cabins last spring,
[32:59] Speaker 5: or find a great spot that butted up against private.
[33:02] Speaker 5: There's clearly mark public access. I'm not on anyone else's land.
[33:06] Speaker 5: It's right off the main road. Went into hunt it
[33:09] Speaker 5: opening morning, got there really early, not long before gobbling time.
[33:13] Speaker 5: Another truck pulled in, so they must have still been
[33:17] Speaker 5: like out getting ready in the parking lot or whatever.
[33:20] Speaker 5: It was an old timer. He was friendly, but said
[33:22] Speaker 5: he owned the adjacent private land and he parks his
[33:25] Speaker 5: truck there during the season to deter other hunters from Sure. Yeah, yes,
[33:32] Speaker 5: his friend picks them up and takes them creative.
[33:34] Speaker 1: Just just to help people connect the dots here. He's
[33:37] Speaker 1: creating the appearance that someone's already there.
[33:40] Speaker 6: This is not something that I've never heard of before.
[33:43] Speaker 1: This old man invent this.
[33:44] Speaker 3: I'm sure someone in this room has done this.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Yes, maybe.
[33:48] Speaker 5: He has to exchange numbers and said would love to
[33:52] Speaker 5: know if you get one. I hunted it anyways that
[33:56] Speaker 5: day and killed a nice gobbler. Now, after him telling
[33:59] Speaker 5: me he's trying to keep people out of there, I
[34:02] Speaker 5: wasn't really keen.
[34:03] Speaker 6: On letting him know that I got one. A year later,
[34:06] Speaker 6: the day before opening day this year, after having not
[34:10] Speaker 6: heard from this guy in over a year, wouldn't know
[34:13] Speaker 6: him from Adam.
[34:13] Speaker 5: He texts me asking where I'm going in the mornings,
[34:18] Speaker 5: not as though he'd like to tag along, but just
[34:20] Speaker 5: wants to know where I'm going. I know I'm not
[34:23] Speaker 5: entitled to let him know that I'm hunting the land
[34:25] Speaker 5: adjacent to his. I get sharing info, so we're both
[34:29] Speaker 5: not pulling up to hunt the same spot. But like
[34:32] Speaker 5: he's not buying that that's where this guy's going with it.
[34:34] Speaker 5: He's just like trying to keep tabs on this guy.
[34:38] Speaker 5: I don't appreciate another hunter trying to keep track of
[34:41] Speaker 5: where I'm going. I don't really trust him either, since
[34:44] Speaker 5: he's trying to keep people out of public land. I'm
[34:46] Speaker 5: kind of at a loss what to do. Should I
[34:48] Speaker 5: just not respond? Should I tell him to go kick rocks?
[34:51] Speaker 5: Should I just tell him the general area I'm going to.
[34:56] Speaker 5: I would not respond, Eh, well, maybe you should respond,
[35:01] Speaker 5: because you never know when you might need to get
[35:03] Speaker 5: on that guy's land to like retrieve a bird, or
[35:06] Speaker 5: who knows, you could get in a pickle and need
[35:08] Speaker 5: his help or something.
[35:08] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[35:10] Speaker 2: I just text him two days later and say sorry,
[35:13] Speaker 2: didn't see this, got one, got one, and then send
[35:16] Speaker 2: him a smiling picture of you in a different place.
[35:20] Speaker 1: It's a tough one, tough one.
[35:22] Speaker 3: I can't not tough. There's so many right answers. It
[35:25] Speaker 3: really comes down to how he's perceiving.
[35:27] Speaker 1: The saying, like how to be I'm not saying how
[35:30] Speaker 1: to be friendly, I'm saying how would you hand like
[35:32] Speaker 1: like would you share with him? You know, would you
[35:36] Speaker 1: share with him to say, you know, I'm not sure
[35:38] Speaker 1: where I'm going to be hunting. I've been thinking though,
[35:42] Speaker 1: that the move of trying to create the feeling that
[35:45] Speaker 1: someone else is there doesn't sit well with me, right yes,
[35:50] Speaker 1: which is like that's the thing that you need to say.
[35:54] Speaker 1: That's the rug.
[35:55] Speaker 5: The thing is is if you go like agro on
[35:58] Speaker 5: the guy, he's probably gonna come back you agro and
[36:01] Speaker 5: like seize your truck park there, and then he's got
[36:04] Speaker 5: a prop you know what I mean.
[36:05] Speaker 3: Oh, I wasn't gonna suggest you go, And I would
[36:08] Speaker 3: say use it to your advantage and just become buddies
[36:13] Speaker 3: with him and be like, oh, because you're doing this
[36:15] Speaker 3: and I'm in on it, Like I sort of well,
[36:19] Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm in on the thing.
[36:21] Speaker 1: But you say, hey, I'm hunting back in our little spot.
[36:26] Speaker 1: What can we do to make sure no one else does.
[36:32] Speaker 2: In that spot?
[36:33] Speaker 1: Again, that's what you do.
[36:37] Speaker 3: I'm just saying that there's options, you know.
[36:40] Speaker 6: But like the detail about this guy using a vehicle
[36:45] Speaker 6: to keep people out of a spot.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Is but he's not keeping them out. No, it's subterfuge.
[36:51] Speaker 1: It's subterfuge.
[36:52] Speaker 6: It's trying to persuade them not to go in there
[36:57] Speaker 6: for sure.
[36:59] Speaker 3: And I mean I've hunted spots like that, and when
[37:00] Speaker 3: there's a truck already there, you're not gonna stop. You're
[37:03] Speaker 3: gonna go to the next pole. Off.
[37:05] Speaker 1: There's a there's a there's a mindset like for instance,
[37:11] Speaker 1: you know, I I have friends in Alaska that advocate
[37:14] Speaker 1: on having a very brightly colored tent. They like a
[37:18] Speaker 1: bright colored tent. Why they don't want to be hidden.
[37:24] Speaker 1: They want people to be like, ah, damn it. Yeah,
[37:26] Speaker 1: there's dudes down there hunting.
[37:29] Speaker 6: From the air, you can see, you can see.
[37:31] Speaker 1: Yeah. So if they said, well, what I do is
[37:33] Speaker 1: I set brightly colored tents all over the place, they
[37:36] Speaker 1: be like is it? Is it wrong?
[37:41] Speaker 6: Or is it just a you know, a dick move?
[37:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, or just a move? A move like its parking.
[37:48] Speaker 1: He's not if he was putting up a sign that
[37:49] Speaker 1: says no trespassing, that's flat out immoral. That's immoral and illegal.
[37:54] Speaker 3: I think.
[37:56] Speaker 1: Parking a car to create the illusion of pressure. I don't.
[38:01] Speaker 1: I don't know that it's immoral. It's just like a
[38:05] Speaker 1: it's a little move, it's a move. I don't think
[38:08] Speaker 1: it's immoral.
[38:10] Speaker 3: I think it is.
[38:11] Speaker 6: I think there's a there's a there's a.
[38:15] Speaker 3: Spencer.
[38:16] Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not saying I like it. I just
[38:18] Speaker 1: don't think it's he's.
[38:19] Speaker 6: Going through a lot. He's having his buddy pick him up,
[38:21] Speaker 6: like he's going through some steps.
[38:23] Speaker 1: What do you think, Spencer. I wouldn't text this guy,
[38:25] Speaker 1: uh specifics like is the neighbor being immoral?
[38:28] Speaker 4: It wouldn't bother me that much. It's just like a
[38:30] Speaker 4: little game he's playing and he thinks it's gonna, you know,
[38:33] Speaker 4: give him a ten percent chance more of killing something.
[38:36] Speaker 4: I'm okay with it, but he's not.
[38:38] Speaker 2: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. But he's not
[38:40] Speaker 2: hunting that area. He's just trying to keep people.
[38:42] Speaker 1: Away from the hunting the area.
[38:44] Speaker 9: Wouldn't it's because he's not hunting the area.
[38:47] Speaker 1: That's why it's if he was hunting, what's he supposed
[38:50] Speaker 1: to do in his car? If he's hunting the area,
[38:52] Speaker 1: he's trying to create a bub between.
[38:54] Speaker 2: I understand that, but like, like what Spencer's saying, is
[38:58] Speaker 2: this guy's doing, Like, what's the purpose of this guy's game.
[39:00] Speaker 2: It's not to improve his odds, it's just to keep yes, because.
[39:03] Speaker 1: He has the private land right there.
[39:07] Speaker 3: That day, he didn't hunt it. Yeah, we don't know
[39:09] Speaker 3: what happens the rest of this season. Maybe he's got
[39:11] Speaker 3: family coming in a week and he wants to hunt
[39:14] Speaker 3: those birds to live behind his place.
[39:15] Speaker 2: I do think it's immoral immoral, I'll put if we're
[39:20] Speaker 2: if we're judging it on moral or immoral, I would
[39:23] Speaker 2: say immoral.
[39:24] Speaker 1: What if I hung a sign up? Said the turkeys
[39:26] Speaker 1: here are all dead.
[39:29] Speaker 6: I'd be running in there.
[39:31] Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't like that.
[39:33] Speaker 2: I don't like messing with other people's hunts.
[39:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:36] Speaker 2: Like I do my business, you do your business, and
[39:39] Speaker 2: we accommodate one another as best we can. I don't
[39:41] Speaker 2: like messing with somebody else.
[39:43] Speaker 1: OK. Good, that's good moral clarity.
[39:46] Speaker 6: Thanks.
[39:47] Speaker 1: That was waffling.
[39:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, but are you then going to call him out
[39:51] Speaker 3: on it? Because you're not going to quit hunt that spot.
[39:54] Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to call him out.
[39:56] Speaker 3: On it, but because you're then just going to go
[39:59] Speaker 3: enjoy the fruit of his.
[40:02] Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with it. You do respond
[40:04] Speaker 2: to it if he asked me what I think about it.
[40:08] Speaker 2: I don't want to get into a confrontation with someone
[40:10] Speaker 2: that I don't like. I'd just be like, this is
[40:12] Speaker 2: kind of a dick move whatever, you know.
[40:14] Speaker 1: And then when he texts you like, hey, buddy, where
[40:16] Speaker 1: you hunt and you just don't reply.
[40:17] Speaker 2: Probably not, I don't know.
[40:19] Speaker 1: I just.
[40:21] Speaker 2: Like that's weird to me.
[40:23] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[40:24] Speaker 2: I just people just need to leave one another alone.
[40:28] Speaker 2: Just less people, please, you know.
[40:32] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[40:32] Speaker 2: I just want to go turkey hunting. I just want
[40:34] Speaker 2: to go bear hunting, and like Brodie's in the same trailhead,
[40:38] Speaker 2: we can just say I'm gonna go this way, you
[40:39] Speaker 2: go that way, whatever I don't know, and be like, no,
[40:43] Speaker 2: I'm just leaving all the games and subterfusion everything. It
[40:48] Speaker 2: just bothers me.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Real strong moral clarity.
[40:52] Speaker 2: I don't know so much in my worldview as relativists
[40:58] Speaker 2: that it's fun to just dig in my sometimes A.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Hot tip on recovering lost arrows.
[41:04] Speaker 3: We talked about this at least twice already, about arrows
[41:08] Speaker 3: being lost at public archery ranges and what you should
[41:13] Speaker 3: do when you find them, or how to find them
[41:16] Speaker 3: or how to get your arrows back. Well, this fellow
[41:19] Speaker 3: wrote in thanks to Tyler. He said, what he does
[41:24] Speaker 3: is he writes his name and a phone number on
[41:27] Speaker 3: his fletching, so when someone finds it they can just
[41:30] Speaker 3: dial him up and then keep it easy instead of
[41:33] Speaker 3: having to meet up somewhere. He just says, hey, stash it,
[41:36] Speaker 3: and so and so spot at the range and I'll
[41:39] Speaker 3: grab it next time.
[41:40] Speaker 1: So this is happening in him all the time.
[41:43] Speaker 3: Often enough.
[41:44] Speaker 1: I guess we got to put that one to rest.
[41:47] Speaker 1: That's good. It was about lost arrows in my yard.
[41:51] Speaker 1: I'd be more interested.
[41:52] Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's a simple, like great solution to a problem.
[41:56] Speaker 2: I love it.
[41:57] Speaker 1: That's true.
[41:58] Speaker 4: We have not tip off on media to radio over
[41:59] Speaker 4: the guy I said, he puts a small reflective tape
[42:02] Speaker 4: in front of his veins and then he bought like
[42:04] Speaker 4: a twelve dollars UV flashlight from Amazon. And you can
[42:07] Speaker 4: see that thing from fifty yards away if you're pointing
[42:09] Speaker 4: the flashlight in the right direction.
[42:11] Speaker 2: That's where this all started. Yeah, that's good, Randall, All right,
[42:19] Speaker 2: I guess I'll put on my moral hat again. Yeah,
[42:24] Speaker 2: I mean this is big news. Last week, Republicans in
[42:28] Speaker 2: the Senate voted to essentially kill the twenty year moratorium
[42:37] Speaker 2: on this mine upstream of the Boundary Waters. Potential mine
[42:42] Speaker 2: upstream of the Boundary Waters. It's basically bent over backwards
[42:47] Speaker 2: to let a Chilean billionaire take minerals out of the
[42:52] Speaker 2: ground and send them to be processed in China, so.
[42:55] Speaker 1: Then when they ship them back as products, they could
[42:57] Speaker 1: be married tariffs. Yeah. Yeah, and this is our old
[43:01] Speaker 1: stuff coming back.
[43:01] Speaker 2: So seventy percent of Minnesota's opposed to mind. Ninety eight
[43:05] Speaker 2: percent of the six hundred and seventy five thousand public
[43:07] Speaker 2: comments were opposed to it. Dozens of hunting and fishing
[43:11] Speaker 2: organizations were opposed to it. And then the way that
[43:14] Speaker 2: they did this too, like there's a bunch of stuff
[43:16] Speaker 2: you can get into here. The way that they did
[43:18] Speaker 2: this was using the Congressional Review Act, which is a
[43:21] Speaker 2: law it was passed in ninety six that lets Congress
[43:26] Speaker 2: sort of override or cancel regulations put in place by
[43:32] Speaker 2: federal agencies and they're supposed to do it within sixty days.
[43:38] Speaker 2: And it had not been used very much, I think
[43:40] Speaker 2: the first twenty years of its existence. It was used once.
[43:46] Speaker 2: Then it was used. There were five of them during
[43:50] Speaker 2: Obama zero's successful uses because he vetoed them, and then
[43:55] Speaker 2: Biden used it three times. But of the forty two
[43:59] Speaker 2: times this has been used, thirty eight of them have
[44:01] Speaker 2: been under Trump. So it's it's not just a change
[44:04] Speaker 2: in like policy.
[44:05] Speaker 1: Ever.
[44:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty eight out of the forty two have been
[44:10] Speaker 2: have been so it's a change.
[44:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be some lawyer will be like, hey, you
[44:13] Speaker 1: know what we could try, right, and they have some
[44:15] Speaker 1: luck with it.
[44:16] Speaker 2: And the thing about it is that you can't put
[44:18] Speaker 2: the genie back in the bottle because once you use
[44:21] Speaker 2: this act, they can never make a rule. That's the
[44:25] Speaker 2: agency can never come back and make a similar rule.
[44:29] Speaker 2: So it sort of does it forever, Like it just
[44:33] Speaker 2: overturns the decision forever. The mind's not a done deal,
[44:39] Speaker 2: like they still have to do permitting, and permitting could
[44:43] Speaker 2: be a bear that could like kill it. But I mean,
[44:47] Speaker 2: essentially the way this worked was, this is a Chilean
[44:50] Speaker 2: mining company. In nineteen sixty six, they got mineral rights
[44:54] Speaker 2: for this area. Their lease expired, they renewed it, expired again,
[44:58] Speaker 2: they renewed it again, and then under Obama it expired.
[45:02] Speaker 2: And at that point they basically said, you don't have
[45:04] Speaker 2: a right to automatically renew this lease. We need to
[45:07] Speaker 2: reevaluate the merits and risks of having this lease in place,
[45:12] Speaker 2: and so they put a two year moratorium in place
[45:15] Speaker 2: so that they could do a study. Once Obama goes
[45:20] Speaker 2: out of office, the billionaire guy in Chile, he basically
[45:27] Speaker 2: kicks this right off. He and one of the weird
[45:29] Speaker 2: things about this is in December of twenty sixteen, to write,
[45:33] Speaker 2: after the election, he buys a six million dollar house
[45:35] Speaker 2: in DC and rents it to Evanka Trump and Jared Kushner.
[45:39] Speaker 2: It never goes on the market as a rental.
[45:41] Speaker 1: He just buys it.
[45:42] Speaker 2: They see it before the property's even closed, and they
[45:44] Speaker 2: move in.
[45:46] Speaker 4: And they live there through twenty twenty two. I think
[45:49] Speaker 4: it was a while.
[45:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And then he like this guy has also
[45:54] Speaker 2: met He's met Trump before at a Patriots game because
[45:57] Speaker 2: they're buddies with Craft and Brady. But within weeks of
[46:02] Speaker 2: the administration coming in, he starts, he starts communicating directly
[46:05] Speaker 2: with Zinke and his staff. So all of a sudden,
[46:08] Speaker 2: Zinke announces that the FEDS like the decision that we
[46:14] Speaker 2: had to we could reevaluate. This was bad, and he says,
[46:17] Speaker 2: actually we have to automatically renew the lease. So just
[46:20] Speaker 2: like a pivot, sort of based on some strange legal technicality.
[46:27] Speaker 2: So they reissue the lease. Zinkey says that it deserves
[46:33] Speaker 2: further study, and then reissued the lease the next day. Meanwhile,
[46:38] Speaker 2: the Forest Service under Sonny Purdue kills the study, even
[46:43] Speaker 2: though he told Congress they would do the study. Long
[46:47] Speaker 2: story short, Biden comes in, he cancels the lease, and
[46:50] Speaker 2: they put in place this twenty they finished the study
[46:52] Speaker 2: and put in place a twenty year moratorium on mining.
[46:56] Speaker 2: Trump comes back in Zink's now in Congress, and zinc
[47:01] Speaker 2: The guy who took over for Zincy at Interior, David Bernhardt,
[47:05] Speaker 2: who's Trump's other Secretary of the Interior in his first term.
[47:08] Speaker 2: He is now working as a lobbyist for the Chilean
[47:12] Speaker 2: mining company, and so zinc.
[47:16] Speaker 1: At quite a nice little chunk of change. Yeah, I heard, yeah,
[47:18] Speaker 1: I've heard.
[47:20] Speaker 2: I heard from one source like one hundred thousand dollars
[47:23] Speaker 2: a month. I couldn't find documented proof of that. I
[47:27] Speaker 2: saw some other reports that were like a couple hundred
[47:30] Speaker 2: thousand a quarter, but I heard.
[47:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard similar amounts. To try to push this
[47:34] Speaker 1: thing through just real quick. Some people understand all the
[47:36] Speaker 1: time when we say, ah mine people are familiar with
[47:40] Speaker 1: the Boundy Waters Wilderness area. This is this is a
[47:45] Speaker 1: mind that's going in upstream of that in Superior National Forest.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Superior National Forest, interestingly, was put in place by Theodore
[47:55] Speaker 1: Roosevelt I think nineteen oh nine. What they do is
[47:59] Speaker 1: there you're pulling a bunch of rock up out of
[48:01] Speaker 1: the ground that once it oxidizes, it produces an acid.
[48:08] Speaker 1: And I mean like like you know, millions of like
[48:12] Speaker 1: millions of tons.
[48:13] Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm like, I'll point out that the fact that,
[48:16] Speaker 5: like you're hearing a lot of people say, but the
[48:19] Speaker 5: mind's not in the boundary waters, it's important that it's
[48:22] Speaker 5: upstream or will be because this type of mind, there's
[48:26] Speaker 5: never been an example of this type of mind not
[48:29] Speaker 5: resulting in in this pollution.
[48:32] Speaker 2: Antifagasta is the Chilean company they just had in in
[48:36] Speaker 2: January of this year. They have a copper sulfide mine
[48:39] Speaker 2: in Chile that was they just received a bunch of
[48:42] Speaker 2: fines for violating water quality of standards and monitoring. And yeah,
[48:48] Speaker 2: it just seems like a bad actor that had some
[48:51] Speaker 2: friends in the White House and they pushed it through.
[48:53] Speaker 2: Like I've also heard there were a bunch of senators
[48:55] Speaker 2: that were opposed to killing the moratorium and they kind
[49:00] Speaker 2: of got phone calls from the White House And yeah,
[49:06] Speaker 2: basically Zinki whipped it up in the House and pushed
[49:10] Speaker 2: it through, and Bernhardt's been lobbying for it, and now
[49:14] Speaker 2: the moratorium can't come back because they did it in
[49:17] Speaker 2: this way. So for like a system in which we
[49:22] Speaker 2: should have say in the management of our public lands,
[49:26] Speaker 2: and you would hope that people can weigh in and
[49:29] Speaker 2: make a difference in how their own public lands are managed.
[49:32] Speaker 2: It's kind of just a big slap in the face.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Another interesting part of it is if you go back
[49:38] Speaker 1: to last June when we were fighting the public land
[49:42] Speaker 1: sell off. After that fight, the story sort of came
[49:47] Speaker 1: out about this like grand coalition, and every time there's
[49:51] Speaker 1: a big public lands fight, like when it happened under
[49:54] Speaker 1: Jason chaf it's when it happened under Mike Lee. So
[49:56] Speaker 1: Jace Chafis was like twenty seventeen or something like that
[50:00] Speaker 1: last June. Both times it was like this proposal sell
[50:04] Speaker 1: three million acres of public lands in the West. And
[50:07] Speaker 1: the story afterward comes out and it's like this coalition
[50:11] Speaker 1: of sportsmen's groups and this like unusual mix of these
[50:16] Speaker 1: like traditionally right wing and traditionally left wing voices come
[50:21] Speaker 1: together in support of whatever in this case. I mean,
[50:26] Speaker 1: in this case, these sort of like Hunter Angler, you know,
[50:31] Speaker 1: the Hunter Angler like right leaning block couldn't deliver the goods.
[50:42] Speaker 1: I mean, this thing went on party lines, dude, Like,
[50:46] Speaker 1: like all all these Hunter Angler based conservation organizations of
[50:51] Speaker 1: which I'm a board a board member of one could
[50:54] Speaker 1: not turn Republican votes. Yeah, they're just like like we're
[50:59] Speaker 1: going what we're going with what the boss tells us
[51:01] Speaker 1: on this one. And it was also like it was
[51:03] Speaker 1: looking at times the vote looked good, the White House
[51:07] Speaker 1: got involved in the vote, and then people chicken shit
[51:10] Speaker 1: it out and people that talked about people that talked
[51:14] Speaker 1: to there's even people. There's people that expressed knowing that
[51:19] Speaker 1: they were voting wrong. They expressed that they were voting
[51:23] Speaker 1: wrong but had to with that kind of stuff. Like
[51:25] Speaker 1: it's just like that kind of stuff's infuriat.
[51:28] Speaker 4: And you can feel it in some of the statements
[51:29] Speaker 4: afterwards that some of these politicians made. They were almost
[51:32] Speaker 4: like apologetic about, you know, their justification for how they voted, well.
[51:37] Speaker 1: The justification for how they voted. Someone told them what
[51:39] Speaker 1: to do.
[51:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say, like I've seen I've seen
[51:44] Speaker 2: a lot of comments out there, like some from our
[51:46] Speaker 2: audience taking shots at like the like you know a
[51:51] Speaker 2: lot of times and debates like this to hear people
[51:53] Speaker 2: say this isn't a partisan issue, right, like, like this
[51:57] Speaker 2: is not a partisan issue. We just need to get
[51:59] Speaker 2: it on. And to say something is not a partisan
[52:03] Speaker 2: issue isn't to like say that both sides are the
[52:05] Speaker 2: same on this issue. It's to say it's to give
[52:08] Speaker 2: space and say, like, you can be a Republican and
[52:11] Speaker 2: do the right thing when it comes to this, right,
[52:14] Speaker 2: like not in this case, Well yeah, I mean it's
[52:16] Speaker 2: not it's like an aspiration. But what I'm saying is, like,
[52:20] Speaker 2: it's not it's not a judgment that like, this was
[52:24] Speaker 2: definitely a partisan vote, but like there are Republicans out there,
[52:28] Speaker 2: or people who don't identify as Republican but they might
[52:30] Speaker 2: be conservative whatever. You can be opposed to this mind,
[52:36] Speaker 2: no matter what walk of life you're in, but like
[52:40] Speaker 2: your representatives aren't falling through on it, you know what
[52:44] Speaker 2: I'm saying.
[52:45] Speaker 5: Like, yeah, for the general population, it's not partisan, but
[52:48] Speaker 5: it certainly was partisan when the when it came to vote.
[52:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So it's not like when you say somethings
[52:54] Speaker 2: when you say conservation is a non like should be
[52:58] Speaker 2: a non partisan issue. It's not exculpating.
[53:02] Speaker 1: Like shit like this.
[53:04] Speaker 2: It's it's meant to say, like, people from both parties
[53:08] Speaker 2: can't agree on this, but whether or not they're elected
[53:10] Speaker 2: officials are going to do the right thing is something
[53:12] Speaker 2: entirely different.
[53:13] Speaker 1: On the term in terms of saying stuff like that,
[53:16] Speaker 1: I don't want to spend all day on this one.
[53:18] Speaker 1: This is a major issue in terms of sayings like that.
[53:21] Speaker 1: When people will say to me or they'll say whatever,
[53:23] Speaker 1: they're big, Well, I don't want to get political. I
[53:26] Speaker 1: don't want to be political. But it's like everything is political.
[53:30] Speaker 1: The fact that Superior National Forest is there in the
[53:32] Speaker 1: first place. How is Superior National Forest there because Theodore
[53:36] Speaker 1: Roosevelt wrote it into existence? How did he have the
[53:39] Speaker 1: authority to write it into existence because he won the election?
[53:42] Speaker 1: The political one, like everything is political. Yeah, suppressors is political.
[53:51] Speaker 1: Jordan's gonna talk about Oklahoma releasing captive deer into the wild.
[53:54] Speaker 1: I don't want to get political. It's political, right, We're
[53:57] Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Colorado Fairband political. It just it
[54:03] Speaker 1: just is people that want to stay away from politics. Like,
[54:06] Speaker 1: I get the sentiment of what you're saying, but it's
[54:08] Speaker 1: not how things work.
[54:09] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I like, yeah, I guess, But yes,
[54:14] Speaker 2: on a non when when you say when you say
[54:16] Speaker 2: like conservation, this isn't a partisan issue. It means that
[54:19] Speaker 2: people from both sides can agree on it, and it's
[54:22] Speaker 2: giving space for that.
[54:23] Speaker 1: The great American outdoors.
[54:24] Speaker 3: It's not like.
[54:25] Speaker 2: Giving Republicans a free pass on caw towing to the
[54:29] Speaker 2: White House and pushing this through even though they know
[54:32] Speaker 2: it's the wrong thing to do.
[54:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, there are non you know, there's
[54:36] Speaker 1: talk right now. It seems goofy, But like putting Theodore
[54:39] Speaker 1: Roosevelt just got leaked the other day, putting Theodore Roosevelt
[54:43] Speaker 1: in the Football Hall of Fame. Have you seen? This
[54:49] Speaker 1: comes right on the heels of this boundary waters thing.
[54:53] Speaker 1: So you're like basically shitting on the legacy of Theodore Roosevelt.
[54:57] Speaker 1: And then like a day later it's leaked at like
[55:00] Speaker 1: we're gonna put them in the Football Hall of Fame,
[55:04] Speaker 1: And you know he'd probably be like, yeah, if this
[55:09] Speaker 1: is a trade off, I'll go. I'll go the preserve
[55:11] Speaker 1: and the boundary waters from acid runoff. Please.
[55:15] Speaker 2: So I guess the last thing to say is just
[55:18] Speaker 2: like there's still stuff you can do, like it like
[55:23] Speaker 2: when we take a loss like this, you still can
[55:26] Speaker 2: call up your representatives. You don't need an excuse to
[55:28] Speaker 2: call up your representatives and let them know.
[55:30] Speaker 1: So if you if you're if you're how much good,
[55:32] Speaker 1: that'll see how far, I'll get you on this one. Well, yeah,
[55:35] Speaker 1: a lot of people did that, I know, but what
[55:38] Speaker 1: else are you going to do?
[55:40] Speaker 4: The State of Minnesota seems like they may have a
[55:42] Speaker 4: move left to like prevent this. There's also Canada will
[55:46] Speaker 4: be involved. Uh, they've said that they're going to resist this.
[55:48] Speaker 4: Also local tribes they have like some say in this
[55:52] Speaker 4: as well. And so there's a few players who can
[55:54] Speaker 4: maybe slow this down or stop it.
[55:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a done deal to move to it'll move,
[55:58] Speaker 1: It'll move the next step. It was just a disappointing vote.
[56:01] Speaker 1: It was a disappointing vote because so many people, so
[56:05] Speaker 1: many representatives on the in this specific case, so many
[56:10] Speaker 1: representatives on the Republican side signaled to conservation groups, signaled
[56:18] Speaker 1: that they wanted to do the right thing, and then
[56:21] Speaker 1: ultimately admitted that they couldn't, which is like, you know, like.
[56:25] Speaker 6: You said, chicken shits.
[56:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess as far as calling them though, what
[56:30] Speaker 2: I mean is like if somebody does the wrong thing
[56:32] Speaker 2: and then nobody.
[56:34] Speaker 1: Burdens their asked about it, you want listen buster, you
[56:38] Speaker 1: want those people a mighty disappointed.
[56:41] Speaker 2: You want those people in the office to be like
[56:44] Speaker 2: shit like people are pissed off about this.
[56:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, this vote.
[56:48] Speaker 4: This was an open book test, Like the answer was
[56:50] Speaker 4: so obvious that there shouldn't be mining here because the
[56:53] Speaker 4: public was so against it, the locals were against it.
[56:56] Speaker 4: The history that these minds have, like it was clear
[56:58] Speaker 4: that the answer is no, we don't allow this. And
[57:01] Speaker 4: so I think it's fair for our audience to, uh,
[57:04] Speaker 4: you know, look at these politicians in the future when
[57:06] Speaker 4: when mister politician campaigns on being an outdoorsman, a hunter
[57:10] Speaker 4: and angler, a conservationist, a public land advocate. Uh, it's
[57:14] Speaker 4: reasonable to be like, I don't think you get a
[57:15] Speaker 4: second chance on this. Like you you failed this open
[57:18] Speaker 4: book test so spectacularly that I don't believe you. And
[57:22] Speaker 4: the consequence of that is I'm not going to vote
[57:24] Speaker 4: for you because of your track record on like this
[57:26] Speaker 4: exact thing.
[57:33] Speaker 1: I don't say if you.
[57:35] Speaker 2: Say, that's a good segment.
[57:36] Speaker 1: Randall's good segment, Randall, And great wrap up. Great wrap
[57:40] Speaker 1: up from Spencer new That's inspiring.
[57:44] Speaker 4: There should be consequences when they when they mess it
[57:46] Speaker 4: up that bad. That's it.
[57:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, man, I gotta talk. I'm gonna
[57:55] Speaker 1: I haven't I'm gonna I gotta speak in DC at
[57:58] Speaker 1: an event. At dinner, I'm gonna talk a little bit
[58:00] Speaker 1: about the boundary waters. Ok. Yeah, good, Jordan. So I
[58:07] Speaker 1: should be doing this segment because I just came from
[58:09] Speaker 1: Oklahoma yesterday. Oh yeah, I didn't see none of these
[58:11] Speaker 1: deer my neck of the was I didn't see none
[58:14] Speaker 1: of these deer run around.
[58:15] Speaker 9: Well there's only two so far.
[58:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:17] Speaker 8: No, every time I talk about this, I have a
[58:20] Speaker 8: hard time believing it actually happened.
[58:22] Speaker 9: But sure enough it did so back in twenty twenty four.
[58:28] Speaker 8: So two years ago, the Oklahoma state legislature passed a
[58:31] Speaker 8: bill I mean, speaking of like bad votes. This bill
[58:35] Speaker 8: was passed almost unanimously in both the House and the Senate,
[58:39] Speaker 8: and it established what was called the Chronic Wasting Disease
[58:43] Speaker 8: Genetic Improvement Act. And the idea here is that we're
[58:48] Speaker 8: going to breed whitetail deer to be resistant to c WD.
[58:53] Speaker 8: So there's a biologist from Texas A and M named
[58:57] Speaker 8: Chris Seabury or sea Berry who basically discovered that if
[59:04] Speaker 8: if and I forget the exact like allele at whatever codon,
[59:09] Speaker 8: but if deer have this, they're resistant to CWD.
[59:13] Speaker 9: Now, they're not immune, so they can.
[59:16] Speaker 8: Still get called them durable, durable, right, so they can
[59:19] Speaker 8: still get it. And that's that's a really key thing.
[59:21] Speaker 9: To understand here. They're not immune from CWD, but they're
[59:24] Speaker 9: more durable.
[59:25] Speaker 1: That's the fashionable word lately is durable.
[59:27] Speaker 8: Yeah, right, so so, and what kind of advocates of
[59:31] Speaker 8: this point too oftentimes is scrapey in sheep, which is
[59:35] Speaker 8: also a preon disease, and it was eliminated through this
[59:40] Speaker 8: kind of genetic breeding program.
[59:43] Speaker 1: Right.
[59:44] Speaker 9: Obviously, you're really.
[59:45] Speaker 8: Not comparing apples to apples in that situation because sheep
[59:49] Speaker 8: are are livestock, right, they're in pens there, it's a
[59:52] Speaker 8: very controlled environment. The proposal here is to breed these
[59:56] Speaker 8: deer to be genetically durable to CWD, and then we're
[59:59] Speaker 8: going to rely lease them into the wild to improve
[1:00:04] Speaker 8: the genetics of the wild herd, which kind of sounds
[1:00:07] Speaker 8: like it might work, but it's never been tried anywhere.
[1:00:12] Speaker 8: The other really crucial thing is that you can't the
[1:00:16] Speaker 8: deer aren't tested for CWD before they're released. We don't
[1:00:19] Speaker 8: know if these deer have the disease before they're release,
[1:00:23] Speaker 8: and I've I've confirmed this with the head, the head
[1:00:27] Speaker 8: vet the head veterinarians.
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. Yeah, they don't know.
[1:00:29] Speaker 8: For Oklahoma, they don't know. They don't know, they weren't
[1:00:32] Speaker 8: tested and so and I'm I'm not one hundred percent
[1:00:36] Speaker 8: sure what it's like in Oklahoma. I can tell you
[1:00:38] Speaker 8: in Texas the deer breeders are like where seed like,
[1:00:42] Speaker 8: if they're CWD in Texas, it's probably in those breeding facilities,
[1:00:47] Speaker 8: so it's there. But these deer that are released, we
[1:00:51] Speaker 8: don't know if they have it. And so they passed
[1:00:53] Speaker 8: this bill in twenty twenty four, and I think, like
[1:00:57] Speaker 8: people weren't. I mean, maybe it's just me, but I
[1:01:00] Speaker 8: was like, again, they're not going to actually.
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: Do this right.
[1:01:04] Speaker 8: And the bill itself was it's very hard to understand
[1:01:08] Speaker 8: the bill as it was written because it allowed the
[1:01:12] Speaker 8: Department of Agriculture in Oklahoma to write the rules basically
[1:01:17] Speaker 8: the standard that they.
[1:01:18] Speaker 9: Would use to release the deer.
[1:01:20] Speaker 8: But then it also had another line in there that
[1:01:22] Speaker 8: said the Department of Wildlife Conservation, so the people kind
[1:01:26] Speaker 8: of supposed to be in charge of wildlife in the state,
[1:01:29] Speaker 8: they have a some kind of permitting authority. It said
[1:01:32] Speaker 8: they can charge a one time permit fee. It didn't
[1:01:35] Speaker 8: say they could create rules, but if you're charging a
[1:01:38] Speaker 8: permit fee, then it's kind of implied you have the
[1:01:42] Speaker 8: authority to create the rules by which you get that permit.
[1:01:46] Speaker 9: But it was all very unclear. Thaust forward two years.
[1:01:50] Speaker 8: In the original bill, it said the deer would be
[1:01:52] Speaker 8: released between February and April of this year. The Wildlife
[1:01:56] Speaker 8: Agency hadn't crafted any kind of permitting requirements or any
[1:02:01] Speaker 8: kind of rules. They had started a survey to survey
[1:02:04] Speaker 8: the genetics of the wild population. They hadn't completed that yet.
[1:02:09] Speaker 8: But then we kind of got news about a month
[1:02:14] Speaker 8: ago that one of these deer had actually been released.
[1:02:18] Speaker 8: The agg Department approved the release of one of these deer.
[1:02:23] Speaker 8: So this is again a pen raise. Deer that hasn't
[1:02:26] Speaker 8: been tested for CWD is now being released onto a
[1:02:30] Speaker 8: low fence property where it can go kind of wherever
[1:02:33] Speaker 8: it wants to.
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: Go, and the public does not know where.
[1:02:37] Speaker 8: I got a county. I can tell you it's wagon
[1:02:40] Speaker 8: or county. I think that's how you say it was
[1:02:42] Speaker 8: one of the deer. I don't know where the second
[1:02:44] Speaker 8: deer was released. And like from the breeder's perspective, this
[1:02:50] Speaker 8: is great because now our potential pool of customers is everyone, right,
[1:02:55] Speaker 8: any landowner in the state. It used to be you
[1:02:57] Speaker 8: could only sell a deer to a high fence operation,
[1:03:00] Speaker 8: which you know there are lots of those in Oklahoma,
[1:03:02] Speaker 8: not that many. Now any landowner can buy a deer.
[1:03:06] Speaker 8: Why you would want to, It's sort of beyond me.
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: Because you can buy like you could buy one of
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: their their crazy big bucks, right, but one of their
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: phony big bucks and then cut it loose on your
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: place and act like you're doing it to help c WD. Well, yeah,
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: there's seven hundred and fifty thousand deer in Oklahoma, right,
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: these two deer, Like, you know, I'll be the first
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: two men. I'm no mathematician. Well I'm a statistician. But
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: they've cut two of these deer loose into a state
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: was seven hundred and fifty thousand deer, and they're like,
[1:03:36] Speaker 1: this will help genetically with CWD. It's like, are you kidding?
[1:03:40] Speaker 6: We were taught.
[1:03:40] Speaker 5: We talked to Heffelfinger about this a while back, and
[1:03:43] Speaker 5: he made that point like you're never gonna like spread
[1:03:46] Speaker 5: that gene effectively spread that gene through the entire population.
[1:03:50] Speaker 5: But he also said, you don't know what else that
[1:03:53] Speaker 5: gene could be responsible for, Like, it could have all
[1:03:56] Speaker 5: kinds of negative effects too.
[1:03:58] Speaker 8: So they the wild Commission held a hearing on this
[1:04:01] Speaker 8: where they invited some scientists to present. One of them
[1:04:04] Speaker 8: had put a model together of like how many deer
[1:04:08] Speaker 8: would we actually have to release in order to improve
[1:04:11] Speaker 8: the genetics of the state. It was like seventy five
[1:04:15] Speaker 8: thousand per year for ten years straight, basically just replacing
[1:04:20] Speaker 8: the entire population.
[1:04:21] Speaker 9: And even then the.
[1:04:24] Speaker 8: Genetic benefits you get start to degrade after you stop
[1:04:28] Speaker 8: releasing more deer. And this was also you know, according
[1:04:31] Speaker 8: to the scientists, in their model, they assume kind of
[1:04:34] Speaker 8: best case scenario, which is that captive deer will survive
[1:04:39] Speaker 8: and breed at the same rate as wild deer, which
[1:04:43] Speaker 8: I mean is kind of a big assumption, right.
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: One of the craziest parts of this go on. Yeah,
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: I'll tell you the crazy I'll tell you what I
[1:04:50] Speaker 1: feel is crazy. Yeah.
[1:04:51] Speaker 8: So there's kind of a one more chapter to this
[1:04:53] Speaker 8: is that the kind of sponsors of this program in
[1:04:58] Speaker 8: the legislature were very frustrated with the Wildlife Agency for
[1:05:02] Speaker 8: not moving forward with the survey, were kind of dragging
[1:05:06] Speaker 8: their heels right, according to the sponsor. So this year
[1:05:11] Speaker 8: they proposed a new bill that would totally eliminate the
[1:05:15] Speaker 8: Wildlife Agency from this process, like there were they would
[1:05:18] Speaker 8: have no permitting role, they would they wouldn't be able
[1:05:21] Speaker 8: to charge a permitting fee, just totally remove them from
[1:05:24] Speaker 8: the process entirely. So so these deer, which you know,
[1:05:29] Speaker 8: wildlife in the state, would be controlled by the Department
[1:05:34] Speaker 8: of Agriculture that bill. So so two years ago the
[1:05:39] Speaker 8: bill sailed through. This bill just failed in a Senate committee.
[1:05:43] Speaker 8: It passed the House, went over to the Senate. It
[1:05:45] Speaker 8: failed in in a Senate committee on a nine to
[1:05:48] Speaker 8: three vote. And I was told that the kind of
[1:05:54] Speaker 8: the the public interest you might say in the program
[1:05:58] Speaker 8: two years ago had then trickled to now and senators
[1:06:04] Speaker 8: now are a little more hesitant to sign off on this.
[1:06:09] Speaker 8: And so it's possible that there's appetite to kind of
[1:06:13] Speaker 8: get rid of the program entirely next year in a
[1:06:15] Speaker 8: bill because you.
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: Can't find you can't find a wildlife org deer breeders.
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: You can't find a wildlife org that thinks it's a
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: good idea. Now, I love that. Boone and Crockett and
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: Pope and young are saying, Oklahoma, dear, there's a possibility
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: of Oklahoma deer becoming ineligible for the books because they're
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: genetically modified.
[1:06:33] Speaker 8: Yep, yep, and they could expand like like I live
[1:06:37] Speaker 8: in Texas neighbors Oklahoma that if they like cross the
[1:06:41] Speaker 8: border into Texas now Texas deer or not. Right, So
[1:06:44] Speaker 8: it's no one seems to really like this except for
[1:06:48] Speaker 8: the deer breeders and their allies.
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: In the life. Well, one of the main okay, one
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: of the main I wanna choose my words carefully here,
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: one of the primary, key, main, primary, most important key
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: individuals involved and this genetic this supposed genetic durability issue.
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: Prior to that, work had been on the war path
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: against Texas's state agency about CWD because he felt that
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: he felt that they were imperiling his land values by
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: talking about CWD all the time. Okay, then lo and
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: behold down the road. The other interesting thing is this
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: is the biggest proponents from this When I look around
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: and get messages from friends and stuff, the biggest proponents
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: of this are the same people that have always said
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: it's a hoax. Cwd's a hoax, right, then, why do
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: we need a solution. You're like, it's a hoax, but
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: here's a solution. It's a hoax, but this will fix it. Right,
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: It's like, Almett, is it a hoax? Or does this
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: fixes or is this self serving?
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: Well, if you got to release seventy five thousand deery annually,
[1:08:08] Speaker 3: someone's going to make some money. Wow.
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: But it's so funny, like it's like one minute it's
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: a hoax and it doesn't have any impact, and the
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: next minute the industry's like, but wait a minute, it
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: is a problem. And guess who's the solution can solve
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: It's me right right right? All these years you've blamed me,
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: and now here I am with the fix.
[1:08:29] Speaker 9: Right right.
[1:08:30] Speaker 8: But a but you can you can kind of you
[1:08:32] Speaker 8: can kind of see why if you're not really paying
[1:08:34] Speaker 8: attention to this issue, you're not in this in the
[1:08:37] Speaker 8: weeds on this you're like, yeah, we breed, we like
[1:08:41] Speaker 8: we we breed for certain traits and animals, right, why
[1:08:44] Speaker 8: wouldn't this work? And so you can kind of see
[1:08:47] Speaker 8: why this program the state legislators were like, Okay, yeah,
[1:08:52] Speaker 8: we'll give it a shot, might as well, but now
[1:08:55] Speaker 8: it sounds like they've been and you know, organizations, the
[1:08:59] Speaker 8: sportsman conservation organizations have been doing a lot of work
[1:09:01] Speaker 8: in that legislature to educate the representatives there, and it
[1:09:06] Speaker 8: seems to be kind of taking hold.
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: I'm going to paraphrase something from the Conservation is Jim Poswitz.
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: Jimpos He made this point. I think he might have
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: been on the show when he made this point, or
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: I was interviewing him or something. Either way, the late
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: Jim Poswitz was saying, he's talking about the deer breeders,
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: So I doe them trying to make giant megabucks and
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: all this stuff. The reason they're doing that is because
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: there is there's a societal belief in the symbolism of wildlife. Right,
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: we have placed cultural value on deer, We've placed cultural
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: value on the landscape, on nature's ability to make this creature. Right,
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: when one gets big, it's celebrated. But it's like a
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: cultural value around wild places and wildlife and nature. And
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: they and they kind of they've kind of looked at
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: this and they're like, oh, got it, big antlers, you.
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: They're like they kind of missed the parts about wildlife. Yeah,
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: they missed the parts about mystery magic yeah, like like
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: the magic of a landscape producing these magnificent specimens. And
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: they're like, oh yeah, big old antlers. I could probably
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: do that better in my yard. But what makes those
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: big old antlers valuable is the fact that they have
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: cultural significance as wildlife. Meaning if they went and found
[1:10:45] Speaker 1: a way to make cows huge, Okay, if they're like
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: this cow's way bigger, people aren't going to say like, oh,
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: at that point, I would like to pay you twenty
[1:10:57] Speaker 1: thousand dollars to shoot one of those cows. It would
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: be well, no, because that's livestock. I'm not gonna pay
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: you to shoot that. Yeah. But they're like, no, but
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: this has the appearance of this thing that has cultural value.
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: I will sell it to you because it's got big antlers.
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: And is that what's really all about?
[1:11:15] Speaker 2: Right right?
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: Well?
[1:11:17] Speaker 8: Well, and that and that kind of takes me back
[1:11:19] Speaker 8: to these to the market for this, right, because there's
[1:11:22] Speaker 8: there's two sides. There's people who want to sell them,
[1:11:24] Speaker 8: but then they need a market and and I just
[1:11:27] Speaker 8: I still don't understand. Maybe if you have a giant
[1:11:30] Speaker 8: spread thousands of acres, you might be interested in this,
[1:11:34] Speaker 8: But if you have like two hundred acres of low
[1:11:37] Speaker 8: fence property, Like, why would you want to buy what
[1:11:42] Speaker 8: it's gonna leave?
[1:11:43] Speaker 1: People will do it. It's it's it's gonna be the
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: next smart about statistics. I don't know why do they buy?
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: Why does my wife buy scratch offs at the gas station?
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: She's an addict because she just has an undying faith
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: in magic out and no amount of like, no amount
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: of logic is gonna dissuade her from buying scratch offs
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: with the kids.
[1:12:09] Speaker 3: Well, maybe she does it for the entertainment value.
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that people will be entertained by,
[1:12:14] Speaker 1: like they'll buy some deer and turn. I don't know,
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: Becau's just like nature isn't gonna be good enough.
[1:12:21] Speaker 6: You know who won't buy. I'm a cw D deniers
[1:12:23] Speaker 6: because they don't give a shit anyway.
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: No they will.
[1:12:25] Speaker 4: Because when I heard about this, like first I was like, oh,
[1:12:30] Speaker 4: that's that's not a good idea. But then shortly after that,
[1:12:33] Speaker 4: I had a tingle of satisfaction that someone felt like
[1:12:37] Speaker 4: they were portraying or like pursuing a creative solution. CWD
[1:12:42] Speaker 4: feels like a thing that we're probably gonna have to
[1:12:44] Speaker 4: take a big swing at it, and like every tool
[1:12:46] Speaker 4: in the toolbox needs to be explored. Nothing's working right,
[1:12:49] Speaker 4: And like I am satisfied to hear that someone is like, well,
[1:12:54] Speaker 4: maybe this thing on a left field is the answer,
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: and that other people did look into it and threw
[1:12:59] Speaker 4: cold water on it, you know, at some point. But
[1:13:01] Speaker 4: I'm happy that, like, there are things behind the scenes
[1:13:04] Speaker 4: that are, you know, beyond my awareness taking place trying
[1:13:07] Speaker 4: to solve CWD.
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: Agree. I totally agree. It's like it's again. I've made
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: myself a thousand times on this show. I've made myself
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: clear that, like, much to the annoyance of certain friends
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: of mine, the main thing I remain worried about. The
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: main thing is that, and it's never happened. But what
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: scares me is the idea that there would be transmission
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: to a human being. That scares me. Yeah, right, that
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with that. This is not
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: addressing that. The other part is you have like I
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: can't help but look at where it's coming from. Yes,
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: it's coming from the community that has told us all
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: along there is no problem. So why are you all
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: of a sudden interested in a solution. It's gotta be
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: that there's more to the story. You have cried from
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: every rooftop. It's a hoax. There's no problem, but now
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: you want to fix it. I don't buy it. Something
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: else is going on.
[1:14:17] Speaker 2: That's a good way to end it, the whole thing.
[1:14:21] Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go down, Steve.
[1:14:24] Speaker 3: You were in Wisconsin two weekends ago for the youth
[1:14:28] Speaker 3: turkey hunt. Weren't you.
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: I was there two weeks ago for the youth turkey hunt.
[1:14:31] Speaker 1: Let me tell you why. I go there Because I
[1:14:33] Speaker 1: love my friend Doug. Also, I would go there early
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: on because Wisconsin doesn't have an age restriction. I have
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: three kids are spread out, so I could go there
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: and mentor my for instance, my eight year old daughter
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: turkey hunting, where she would be literally sitting in my
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: lap as we turkey hunted, and then Doug could hunt
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: with one of my other kids, or we would team up,
[1:14:58] Speaker 1: and it became a family tradition. I think we went
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: eight years. We've been there eight years in a row
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: for youth turkey season. It's a family tradition. My kids
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: have come to love Doug like a like a like
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: an uncle, like a brother.
[1:15:11] Speaker 4: I thought you'd say, like a landowner.
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: No, that's not a concept before.
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: We moved on.
[1:15:18] Speaker 5: It was something your kids kind of as far as
[1:15:21] Speaker 5: hunting turkeys, it was something they kind of graduated into.
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: Yes, they all spent time, They all spent time. They
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: all had to spend time just going and hanging out
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: before I yeah said it was time, and I have
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: generally said it was time to like lap, sit on
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: my lap and turkey hunt when they're eight. That's my
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: not I don't want to call it arbitrary. That's a
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: number I've arrived where you felt comfortable. That's a number
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: I've arrived at.
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: Well, that sets up this story here. Pat Dirkin wrote
[1:15:55] Speaker 3: about it the meteor dot Com. Uh that same weekend
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: Steve was there, there was an accident in Wisconsin where
[1:16:03] Speaker 3: a ment a thirty five year old, sorry, thirty five,
[1:16:09] Speaker 3: thirty eight. I already already lost my numbers for him,
[1:16:13] Speaker 3: thirty eight an adult, thirty.
[1:16:15] Speaker 2: Something, thirty four, Well, thirty four, thirty four, thirty four.
[1:16:18] Speaker 3: I think I think it's important to know his age.
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: Thirty four year old was hunting with a three year
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: old mentoring a three year old that week, and they
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: supposedly aimed and shot a forty five year old that
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: was mentoring a nine year old with.
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: A twelve gage a seven year old seven year old.
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: Thanks, it's important to point out. Yeah, they had two
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: a mentor and the kid. A mentor and a kid
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: nine year old. I think we're just getting little ung
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: up on the details here. Yeah, the three year old matters.
[1:16:55] Speaker 9: The three a three year old, that matters.
[1:16:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, that matters big time. And the twelve gage.
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: Shotgun shooting a twelve gage three years old shooting a
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: twelve gauge for mentored youth turkey season. Okay, let's yeah
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: the facts. Yeah, hit the facts.
[1:17:12] Speaker 3: Youth turkey hunting weekend in Wisconsin. The three year old
[1:17:17] Speaker 3: is with a thirty four year old. They shoot two
[1:17:19] Speaker 3: other hunters that are out in the field together with
[1:17:23] Speaker 3: a twelve gage shotgun at thirty five yards. At thirty
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: five yards. Luckily no one is fatally hurt. I think
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: as if the writing of the article, the seven year
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: old kid was still in the hospital, but his mentor
[1:17:42] Speaker 3: was had been released. Actually, they're not releasing genders, so
[1:17:45] Speaker 3: we don't know any genders of these hunters, but the
[1:17:50] Speaker 3: people that had been shot, the mentor had been released.
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: The kid was still in the hospital, but non fatal injuries.
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: So that's really all we know. They're not releasing the lock.
[1:18:01] Speaker 3: So obviously they're going to continue to investigate this situation because,
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: as you might imagine, there's a lot of questions. I
[1:18:08] Speaker 3: have a lot of questions. My first thing when I
[1:18:11] Speaker 3: read it I was assigning this little book report here,
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: was like, my god, how are you really going to
[1:18:19] Speaker 3: make a three year old hold in aim and fire
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: twelve gates?
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: That's why I smell fish?
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, I smell it. I read that. I read the comments.
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: Oh that's the only thing I consider.
[1:18:32] Speaker 6: I read the.
[1:18:33] Speaker 3: Comments on the on our web page, and do people
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: smell fish? Oh? Yeah, seventy five percent of them are
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: like that three year old didn't pull that trigger. The
[1:18:43] Speaker 3: mentor was just out with a three year old and
[1:18:46] Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is a way for me to
[1:18:48] Speaker 3: get another bird.
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. This is like a level up
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: of watching. You're not buying it. That three year old
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: was wheeling the twelve gates.
[1:18:55] Speaker 9: Now three yearld was probably shitting its pan.
[1:18:57] Speaker 6: Do they wipe it taking well, I don't know.
[1:19:03] Speaker 3: I mean they.
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: Don't like get up fixed breakfast.
[1:19:09] Speaker 3: They rarely have complete sentences. Yeah, we should have brought
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: a three year old in Hey. Hey, Just so you know,
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: I tried to get one. I posted this morning Craigs
[1:19:23] Speaker 3: on the on the on the company slack under the
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: Bozeman channel. I asked, does anyone have a three year
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: old kid that could bring to the office to be
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: part of the new show episode of Round two thirty
[1:19:33] Speaker 3: it's now the team. They'd have to be on camera,
[1:19:36] Speaker 3: but wouldn't be required to do much talking and saying Hi.
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: I'd like to have them to show the audience the
[1:19:41] Speaker 3: size and stature of a three year old, to show co.
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: A handle of three year olds.
[1:19:47] Speaker 2: This has been helpful for me because when I read
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: the age of a child, it doesn't do much.
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: I mean, they came out of them Giana three years prior.
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: They're just not that big yet.
[1:20:00] Speaker 2: No, I know, but I just I can't really call
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: to mind. A three year old was helpful. A three
[1:20:05] Speaker 2: year old helpful?
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: A three year old would, let me give you for instance,
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: a three year old would walk into a lake and
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: ship your pants. Yes, you wouldn't even think you wouldn't
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: even like think much about it.
[1:20:20] Speaker 6: The recoil of a twelve gage shot and would do
[1:20:22] Speaker 6: great bodily.
[1:20:23] Speaker 3: Harm to a three year old.
[1:20:24] Speaker 8: Yeah, it would, Jordan said, only some three year olds
[1:20:28] Speaker 8: like their butt. I want to amend that only some
[1:20:30] Speaker 8: three year olds sit like aren't in diapers, none of them.
[1:20:38] Speaker 1: Scatological. If you have a three year old in your life,
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: you are having not daily, but you are having multiple
[1:20:49] Speaker 1: times per week encounters with their feces.
[1:20:53] Speaker 4: Get none of your context.
[1:20:55] Speaker 1: It's like, that's what we're talking about. Like you get
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: to where you'd basically you're so used to it you
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: would eat it. According to CDC, Dad, am I wrong?
[1:21:06] Speaker 6: I wouldn't eat it, but I had it under my
[1:21:08] Speaker 6: fingernails plenty of tabs.
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: According to the CDC, a typical three year old boy
[1:21:14] Speaker 3: in the United States of America weighs thirty one to
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: thirty three pounds.
[1:21:18] Speaker 2: It's like a big turkey, old giant.
[1:21:22] Speaker 6: Okay, we've established that.
[1:21:24] Speaker 3: It's like a very very, very small things. I was
[1:21:27] Speaker 3: telling the story to my daughter, Aina, who I think
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: she was probably ten ish when this happened, but she
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: was still scared. She'd been shooting at twenty two a bunch,
[1:21:40] Speaker 3: but she knew the four ten had some recoil. And
[1:21:43] Speaker 3: one day I was like, look, she'd shot at once,
[1:21:46] Speaker 3: some tears had come. I'm like, no big deals, we'll
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: come back in a couple months. So time passes, we're
[1:21:52] Speaker 3: back there, and I said, this time, sit in my lap. Well,
[1:21:55] Speaker 3: I made the mistake of like leaning against.
[1:21:59] Speaker 1: Her back lid ifi her shoulder.
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, and so her shoulder wasn't allowed to move back.
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: And again just a little four ten and we were
[1:22:06] Speaker 3: just shooting a field load, not a turkey load. But
[1:22:09] Speaker 3: that was enough to like more tears and to like
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: put that away for another six months. So again, like
[1:22:18] Speaker 3: you can't imagine what a twelve gage turkey load would
[1:22:21] Speaker 3: do to a three year old.
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: Here's another way of putting it. This hunt, this whole incident.
[1:22:28] Speaker 1: They're so young, they will have no recollection. Ever, when
[1:22:34] Speaker 1: you think back to your first memories, your first memories
[1:22:37] Speaker 1: are like four or five, six, they will have no recollection.
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: I'm all for this dude bringing that child out. Yeah,
[1:22:49] Speaker 1: but I think after this incident, you would have to
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: just say, for the record, here I was, I was
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: wielding that shotgum should this is not a conversation about
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: mentor and I was just this should be a conversation
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: about right here at me and he was shooting at movement.
[1:23:05] Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a detail that I found this person did
[1:23:12] Speaker 5: not have hunter safety. They had like a military exemption exemption, yeah, which,
[1:23:18] Speaker 5: you know, sure it's something to think about.
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: But now there's all this conversation should we change, like
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: will Wisconsin changed the law? Is it too early to go?
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: And I'm like, don't confuse this for a mentor hunt situation. Yeah,
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: it's not a mentor hunt situation. That kid did not
[1:23:36] Speaker 1: identify that target and aim that gun and pull that trick.
[1:23:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:23:39] Speaker 5: I think one of the best things that's happened in
[1:23:41] Speaker 5: the last whatever decade, maybe twenty years, however long it's
[1:23:46] Speaker 5: been going on, is that a lot of states have
[1:23:49] Speaker 5: gotten past this minimum age thing twelve fourteen.
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: But I do see pictures of likes, you know, I
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: see pictures of some ages and I'm like, man, I
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: don't think they can even comprehending.
[1:24:01] Speaker 6: Six year old shooting a two hundred inch white.
[1:24:03] Speaker 1: Tail, Like, I don't know that they comprehend what they're doing.
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: I even had questions, and now I don't. I would
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: never tell people what do like. It's like, I support
[1:24:11] Speaker 1: the idea that it's a family decision. I started my
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: kids hunting turkeys at eight years old. And I did
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: not think I waited too long. I worried that I
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: did it too early. I never felt that I waited
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: too long at eight. Yep. I think that's a good
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: never felt that I waited too long.
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:24:26] Speaker 5: That And the way it works here in Montana is
[1:24:29] Speaker 5: they can hunt deer at ten and I think that's
[1:24:31] Speaker 5: just about right.
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: Yep. I've never I would never complain about the ten
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: year old law here. When I was growing up in
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: Michigan to hunt deer with a gun. When I was
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: a kid, no one paid attention to this rule. Everybody
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: broke it because it was so ridiculous. You had to
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: be fourteen.
[1:24:44] Speaker 6: Yeah, I paid it.
[1:24:45] Speaker 1: That's too late. That's too late.
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: Three too early?
[1:24:53] Speaker 6: All right, paddlefish time.
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna cut some stuff off the end.
[1:24:57] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll try.
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: No, no man hit the paddle fish said, I want
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: to hear you know, Spencer, Spencer.
[1:25:07] Speaker 5: There's been some sick puppies doing some sick ship on
[1:25:13] Speaker 5: the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. Multiple live paddlefish
[1:25:18] Speaker 5: have been discovered with you got the pictures.
[1:25:20] Speaker 6: Up, Phil? Are we getting there? Multiples, multiple profane messages.
[1:25:25] Speaker 6: I'll let you read them if you can make them out.
[1:25:30] Speaker 10: This is these are the pictures that I was sent.
[1:25:31] Speaker 10: This is how they were cropped. You can kind of
[1:25:34] Speaker 10: see what that one says.
[1:25:35] Speaker 5: So f you f m d C, which is Missouri
[1:25:40] Speaker 5: Department of Conservation Conservation. I saw a picture of one
[1:25:46] Speaker 5: that had paddlefish have this long snout called a rostrum.
[1:25:52] Speaker 5: I saw one that had been cut to kind of
[1:25:54] Speaker 5: look like those soft what do they call them?
[1:25:58] Speaker 6: Really like disgusting. I don't know if we've got.
[1:26:01] Speaker 3: That picture now.
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: Just here's someone at twenty twenty one into a paddlefish. Uh,
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: they're cutting it in with a razor blade.
[1:26:08] Speaker 4: Yes.
[1:26:08] Speaker 6: Yeah, some of them are found alive but mutilated.
[1:26:14] Speaker 5: It's just like very sick examples of like animal cruelty.
[1:26:21] Speaker 5: The local reaction, the regional reaction around Lake of the
[1:26:25] Speaker 5: Ozarks has obviously been pretty strong, with shock and outrage.
[1:26:30] Speaker 5: Local tackle shop manager said he'd never seen anything like this.
[1:26:34] Speaker 5: There's concerns that it could hurt tourism in the area.
[1:26:38] Speaker 5: The investigation they they haven't found out anything yet, but
[1:26:42] Speaker 5: they're they're they're looking at this as intentional acts of
[1:26:45] Speaker 5: animal cruelty and vandalism against the species, possibly motivated by
[1:26:51] Speaker 5: grievances against state conservation rules.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: Well, if you're writing yeah, f you Missouri Department Conservation,
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: I have a feeling that that's not possibly motivated by ANA.
[1:27:02] Speaker 1: They're mad about the regulatory structu.
[1:27:03] Speaker 6: Sure and maybe something about keeping paddlefish.
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, they're mad about the regulations row.
[1:27:10] Speaker 5: You know, there might be there's been some plenty of
[1:27:12] Speaker 5: examples of these fish being poached for their row.
[1:27:15] Speaker 6: But this is not This isn't that.
[1:27:19] Speaker 5: Authorities say they're making some progress. Public's encouraged to report
[1:27:23] Speaker 5: tips and uh a coalition of over a dozen fishing
[1:27:28] Speaker 5: guide services in the area Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, they've all
[1:27:33] Speaker 5: pledged to chip and rewards that that are exceeding fifteen
[1:27:38] Speaker 5: thousand dollars right now leading to a conviction. With that
[1:27:41] Speaker 5: kind of money, it's if someone saw something, someone's probably
[1:27:45] Speaker 5: gonna going to report.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a win win, Like if you knew who
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: was doing this one they got to quit. Yeah, so
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: you can help them make them quit by turning them
[1:27:54] Speaker 1: in and then you get fifteen k and scratch.
[1:27:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's gross and whenever something like this kind
[1:28:01] Speaker 5: of thing. This is a little this is a pretty
[1:28:04] Speaker 5: pretty strong example of it. But like I always worry,
[1:28:08] Speaker 5: like when when a goose is like walking around a
[1:28:11] Speaker 5: local lake with a like an arrow sticking out of it,
[1:28:16] Speaker 5: Like it gets me worried about the perception of hunters
[1:28:19] Speaker 5: and in this case, the perception like the general perception
[1:28:22] Speaker 5: of fishermen. Like just a week ago, maybe they found
[1:28:26] Speaker 5: a mule deer dough dead and round up Montana that
[1:28:29] Speaker 5: had been shot with a blowgun.
[1:28:32] Speaker 6: A blow dart killed it.
[1:28:34] Speaker 5: It's like that kind of thing. Like I think the
[1:28:38] Speaker 5: worry is it's like all those hunters you know kind
[1:28:41] Speaker 5: of thing, and it shouldn't we shouldn't have to defend
[1:28:45] Speaker 5: ourselves against stuff like this.
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: No, it's kind of grewesome photos man. Yeah. And the
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: things you're talking about like a like a very long
[1:28:54] Speaker 1: living fish. Yeah, and then you're also kind of like
[1:28:57] Speaker 1: in some cases you're mortally wounding it. It's like, yeah,
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: is getting all infected and dying?
[1:29:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gross.
[1:29:04] Speaker 4: On that note, here's a segue. Spencer is a tattoo
[1:29:07] Speaker 4: of a paddlefish. It's his favorite animal that.
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: How do you know? How do I know that's a joke?
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: Each year, there are a few consistent saying, Spencer.
[1:29:23] Speaker 4: I was trying to tell you that this would be
[1:29:25] Speaker 4: a segue for you.
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: Oh, you're offering that.
[1:29:27] Speaker 4: Here's how you on that note.
[1:29:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, Spencer over there. His favorite animal is the paddlefish,
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: and he has a paddlefish tattoos exactly by Dolly.
[1:29:37] Speaker 6: Now.
[1:29:38] Speaker 4: Each year, there are a few consistent meteor showers that
[1:29:41] Speaker 4: give you your best chance at seeing shooting stars. I
[1:29:43] Speaker 4: think the biggest one is in August. There's also another
[1:29:45] Speaker 4: notable one in November December. These generally occur about the
[1:29:49] Speaker 4: same time each year as the Earth passes through an
[1:29:51] Speaker 4: area that has a trail of dusty debris that was
[1:29:54] Speaker 4: left by a comet or an asteroid. And that's happening
[1:29:57] Speaker 4: right now as we sit here. One of these happening Tonight,
[1:30:01] Speaker 4: Spooky April twenty one is the peak of the Lyrid's
[1:30:04] Speaker 4: meteor shower. This meteor shower, it's always in late April,
[1:30:08] Speaker 4: roughly April seventeen to April twenty six, but tonight and
[1:30:11] Speaker 4: tomorrow night April twenty second are the two best nights
[1:30:14] Speaker 4: of the whole show. These shooting stars are best viewed
[1:30:18] Speaker 4: from the northern hemisphere after moonset and before dawn, so
[1:30:21] Speaker 4: for much of the country, that means your best viewing
[1:30:24] Speaker 4: hours are between midnight and six am. That doesn't mean
[1:30:27] Speaker 4: that you won't see shooting stars at ten pm. You will,
[1:30:31] Speaker 4: it just won't be quite as spectacular as that. Like
[1:30:34] Speaker 4: midnight to six am window the Lyrids meteors, they don't
[1:30:38] Speaker 4: tend to have a long train of light, but these
[1:30:41] Speaker 4: are prone to creating bright flashes known as fireballs. Here's
[1:30:45] Speaker 4: some tips from NASA on good stargazing for this meteor shower.
[1:30:49] Speaker 4: The first one's obvious. Just get away from light pollution.
[1:30:51] Speaker 4: That means leaving the city or simply turning off your
[1:30:53] Speaker 4: porch light. Focus your eyes in the darkest part of
[1:30:56] Speaker 4: the sky, and if the whole sky is dark and
[1:30:58] Speaker 4: you're able to be picky for this meteor shower, it's
[1:31:01] Speaker 4: best to cheat your eyes to the east rather than
[1:31:04] Speaker 4: the west, and NASA says it takes about thirty minutes
[1:31:07] Speaker 4: for your eyes to fully adapt to the darkness, so
[1:31:10] Speaker 4: give yourself at least an hour to guarantee a glimpse.
[1:31:12] Speaker 4: As I said earlier, the darker the sky, the better
[1:31:14] Speaker 4: the show. Tonight and tomorrow night we actually have a
[1:31:17] Speaker 4: waxing crescent moon, which means just a sliver of it
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: is illuminated. That's good news for stargazers as well. Humans
[1:31:24] Speaker 4: have been observing this for as long as you know
[1:31:27] Speaker 4: we've been on Earth. There are written accounts going back
[1:31:29] Speaker 4: to six eighty seven BC, that's twenty seven hundred years
[1:31:32] Speaker 4: ago about the Lyrids meteor shower. One Chinese writer he
[1:31:37] Speaker 4: said this on the fourth month of the summer of
[1:31:40] Speaker 4: year seven, at night, the sky is so bright that
[1:31:43] Speaker 4: some fixed stars become invisible because of the meteor shower.
[1:31:47] Speaker 4: At midnight the stars fell like rain. So that that's
[1:31:50] Speaker 4: what you have a chance to experience now during the
[1:31:53] Speaker 4: peak of the Lyrids, which is again tonight tomorrow night,
[1:31:55] Speaker 4: April twenty one, April twenty two, you can expect to
[1:31:58] Speaker 4: see about a dozen shooting stars at its peak. But
[1:32:01] Speaker 4: some years it's better than others the Lyrids. When it's
[1:32:06] Speaker 4: really good, that's called what is it, a meteor outburst.
[1:32:10] Speaker 4: So in nineteen twenty two. In nineteen eighty two, the
[1:32:13] Speaker 4: Lyrids produced ninety meteors per hour, and in eighteen oh
[1:32:17] Speaker 4: three observers saw seven hundred per hour, which is one
[1:32:21] Speaker 4: shooting star every five seconds. Wow, So a dozen't is
[1:32:24] Speaker 4: what you'd expect for a baseline these next couple nights,
[1:32:26] Speaker 4: But it has a chance to be even more grand
[1:32:29] Speaker 4: than that. Although its peak is right now as we
[1:32:32] Speaker 4: sit here, extra shooting stars will be visible into the weekend.
[1:32:36] Speaker 4: So as we exit the debris field on Sunday, if
[1:32:38] Speaker 4: you're at Turkey Camp this weekend, if you're out fishing
[1:32:41] Speaker 4: in the dark, keep your eyes to the sky.
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: I'm gonna park my car out so people think someone's
[1:32:46] Speaker 1: ordered there watching, and then I'm gonna have it all myself. Man,
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching. No one else can watch.
[1:32:53] Speaker 4: If you do happen to witness a spectacular fireball during
[1:32:57] Speaker 4: the Lyriids, which, as I said you know earlier. As
[1:33:02] Speaker 4: I said earlier in the media shower, it's known for
[1:33:04] Speaker 4: producing fireballs rather than like long streaks of light, then
[1:33:09] Speaker 4: you should go report that to the American Media Society
[1:33:13] Speaker 4: and if they get enough reports, it becomes a confirmed fireball.
[1:33:16] Speaker 4: So I pulled a random one of these confirmed fireballs
[1:33:19] Speaker 4: from last year to show you the problem how the
[1:33:21] Speaker 4: process works. This was from March seven, twenty twenty five.
[1:33:25] Speaker 4: This fireball was not part of the Lyrid's media shower,
[1:33:29] Speaker 4: as it was about six weeks before that. Phil has
[1:33:31] Speaker 4: a picture of it here showing you how these reports
[1:33:33] Speaker 4: are gathered. It was four forty am Mountain time. Four
[1:33:37] Speaker 4: people witnessed a fireball that's traveling from east to west
[1:33:40] Speaker 4: at a downward angle. It's since been categorized this is
[1:33:43] Speaker 4: Event four one four twenty twenty five. So we have
[1:33:48] Speaker 4: our first observer. This was Reagan in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, who
[1:33:53] Speaker 4: says it's an orange fireball. They leave a note with
[1:33:55] Speaker 4: the American Medior Society saying so grateful to have experience this.
[1:34:00] Speaker 4: Our next observer is James and Bismarck, North Dakota. James
[1:34:03] Speaker 4: reports the fireball was light blue and white. He says
[1:34:07] Speaker 4: it was very bright. At first, I thought it was
[1:34:09] Speaker 4: a plane moving across the sky until I realized that
[1:34:12] Speaker 4: it was heading towards the ground. Then it clicked that
[1:34:14] Speaker 4: it was a fireball. It reminded me of the fuel
[1:34:17] Speaker 4: streak of an incoming missile. I don't know how James
[1:34:20] Speaker 4: knows that, but he said it reminded him of that.
[1:34:24] Speaker 3: You see him saying that which one under persistent train?
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: Oh I see The.
[1:34:29] Speaker 4: Third observer is brook In Towns in Montana that's just
[1:34:32] Speaker 4: down the road from US. Brooks says it had a
[1:34:35] Speaker 4: smoke trail with shades of light blue, orange, and white.
[1:34:39] Speaker 4: She simply says that it was wild.
[1:34:41] Speaker 3: Now here's a four.
[1:34:43] Speaker 4: Doesn't tell us that. And then here's our fourth report.
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: I'm looking out for guys.
[1:34:48] Speaker 3: Spencer.
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: I like.
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: I like this guy.
[1:34:57] Speaker 4: He reports the fireball lasted about three seconds, it was white.
[1:35:01] Speaker 4: Here's his quote. I spend a lot of time outside
[1:35:03] Speaker 4: at night. This was the brightest media I've ever seen.
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: Excellent report.
[1:35:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I trust that person.
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: Can you established his credentials?
[1:35:15] Speaker 4: No? No, I was I was thinking back, what was
[1:35:17] Speaker 4: I doing at four thirty am. I was in my
[1:35:20] Speaker 4: hot tub. I had just got done traveling.
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: I had a shoot.
[1:35:24] Speaker 4: I shot a roast that week, I had two episodes
[1:35:26] Speaker 4: of Trivia. My whole sleep schedules off. So if I
[1:35:29] Speaker 4: like wake up super like that, I'll just go out
[1:35:31] Speaker 4: in the hot tub. I was out in the hot
[1:35:32] Speaker 4: tub and I saw this fireball, and then I went
[1:35:34] Speaker 4: and report, you woke up early?
[1:35:36] Speaker 3: You weren't.
[1:35:37] Speaker 2: This wasn't like No, I wasn't say it was like
[1:35:39] Speaker 2: it was.
[1:35:40] Speaker 4: Like eight am up early and I reported it and
[1:35:44] Speaker 4: I got to be part of event one for graduation. Yeah,
[1:35:48] Speaker 4: thank you. So if you see a particularly spectacular fireball
[1:35:52] Speaker 4: this week and or anytime you know, you should go
[1:35:55] Speaker 4: do some citizen science and report it to the American
[1:35:58] Speaker 4: Meteor Society.
[1:35:59] Speaker 1: It's to sign up and says report a fireball. It's
[1:36:02] Speaker 1: fun and easy.
[1:36:03] Speaker 3: You should get a.
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I reported a fireball.
[1:36:08] Speaker 3: It was easy.
[1:36:09] Speaker 4: It asked you twelve questions and some are like, oh
[1:36:11] Speaker 4: what is the answer to that? You like really have
[1:36:14] Speaker 4: to So when you see one of these things, uh,
[1:36:16] Speaker 4: you know, put yourself in that place like where did
[1:36:18] Speaker 4: it start, where did it end? What color was it?
[1:36:20] Speaker 4: Roughly how much time did it take for it to
[1:36:22] Speaker 4: cross the sky. That way, you can give a MS
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: A good report.
[1:36:26] Speaker 1: Excellent job, man, it was a great report. Here's the
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about. If I tell my kids about this,
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: they're gonna want to stay up or get up, And
[1:36:33] Speaker 1: if they get up, then they're gonna be all cranky tomorrow.
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: So it's like, do you go with as a parent,
[1:36:40] Speaker 1: do you go with like enhancing their lives and then
[1:36:43] Speaker 1: dealing with them when they're when they wake up they're
[1:36:45] Speaker 1: talking about how tired they are. Not tell them about it.
[1:36:49] Speaker 5: We have an answer to this in our house. I'm like,
[1:36:52] Speaker 5: you can set an alarm and get up if you want,
[1:36:54] Speaker 5: and then I just go to sleep.
[1:36:58] Speaker 2: She wait till they're older where they can truly experienced
[1:37:01] Speaker 2: the whole they can appreciate the whole experience.
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably gonna tell them about it, But
[1:37:05] Speaker 1: what happens, their mom will get them up because she's
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: better about stuff like that.
[1:37:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, the gambler.
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: All right, buddy, Thanks for joining the news show next week,
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: Steve on Colorado. I'm telling you.
[1:37:17] Speaker 3: What we promise it'll come.
[1:37:19] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[1:37:19] Speaker 1: And I've been bumping and I've been bumping. Uh, the
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: report on the Monte Verde archaeological side.
[1:37:27] Speaker 6: We might end up with that episode that's just bump.
[1:37:31] Speaker 10: Steve's talking directly into the camera.
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, all the stuff that keeps getting bumped. Because my
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: stuff sways at the end, there's no time to get
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: to it. Thanks for joining the news show. Hot sending
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