# The Purpose of a First Draft with Pablo Cartaya

An episode of [The Children's Book Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/817756935), 10 Jun 2025, 37 min.

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Pablo Cartaya, author of A Hero's Guide to Summer Vacation (Kokila), joins Matthew to talk about how we celebrate grief and life. Visit Pablo Cartaya online at www.pablocartaya.com For a full transcript, episode takeaways, quotes, and more, visit DeepCast.fm and search "The Children's Book Podcast" or click on the link in the show notes. Learn more about the Highlights Foundation and their upcoming programs by visiting www.highlightsfoundation.org. Our podcast logo was created by Duke Stebbins (https://stebs.design/). Our music is by Podington Bear. Podcast hosting by Libsyn. You can support the show and buy me a coffee at matthewcwinner.com or by clicking the link in the show notes. Be well. And read on.

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