# \[Interview+\] Complexity As a Driving Force of the Universe

An episode of [Universe Today Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/794058155), 18 Feb 2026, 54 min.

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BONUS PART STARTS AT 34:49 Why is time moving forward? Some find an answer in the Second Law of Thermodynamics. That entropy defines the arrow of time. But is there another force behind it? My guests think so. Diving into this concept in this interview. 🟣 Guests: Dr. Robert Hazen, Dr. Mike Wong 📚 Time's Second Arrow Evolution, Order, and a New Law of Nature https://miquai.myportfolio.com/times-second-arrow 🎧 Strange New Worlds Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/strange-new-worlds-a-science-star-trek-podcast/id1246395860 • 00:00 Intro • 01:50 Order in the Universe • 19:39 Biosignatures • 27:11 Fermi Paradox • 34:49 Star Trek • 47:16 Current obsessions • 51:56 Final thoughts

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