# Episode 462: Downtown or Not Downtown

An episode of [Talking Headways: A Streetsblog Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/775143271), 14 Dec 2023, 1 h 00 min.

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This week we're at the 2023 Mpact conference closing plenary in Phoenix Arizona. Assistant Secretary of Transportation for Transportation Policy at USDOT Christopher Coes leads a panel discussing what's happening in central cities and how to make them thrive again. This panel features: Karen Chapple, Ph.D., Director, School of Cities, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON | Nichol Bordeaux, Chief Planning and Engagement Officer, Utah Transit Authority, Salt Lake City, UT | Dee Brewer, Executive Director, Downtown Alliance, Salt Lake City, UT | Emeke Moneme, President, Capitol Riverfront, Washington, DC | Ryan Johnson, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Culdesac, Tempe, AZ OOO Follow us on twitter and threads @theoverheadwire Follow us on Mastadon theoverheadwire@sfba.social Support the show on Patreon http://patreon.com/theoverheadwire Buy books on our Bookshop.org Affiliate site! And get our Cars are Cholesterol shirt at Tee-Public! And everything else at http://theoverheadwire.com

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