# #403 — Sanity Check on Trump 2.0

An episode of [Making Sense with Sam Harris](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/733163012), 10 Mar 2025, 37 min.

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Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the damage Trump is doing domestically and abroad. They discuss Trump's tariffs, Curtis Yarvin and the Tech Right, threats against Republicans who criticize Trump, why the arguments Republicans are using to defend Trump's position on Ukraine are flawed, America's deteriorating moral standing on the global stage, the recklessness of DOGE, why so many CEOs bent the knee to Trump, antisemitism on the Right, Trump's plan for Gaza, worst case scenarios for Trump 2.0, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe. Learning how to train your mind is the single greatest investment you can make in life. That's why Sam Harris created the Waking Up app. From rational mindfulness practice to lessons on some of life's most important topics, join Sam as he demystifies the practice of meditation and explores the theory behind it.

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