# Sex vs Gender Identity: Giggle v Tickle

An episode of [The Pat Kenny Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/698050979), 18 Oct 2026, 17 min.

Audio: https://bauernordic-pods.sharp-stream.com/ie/2790/1810_pk_sal_pod_b4fcae9a_normal.mp3?aw_0_1st.episodeid=426807&aw_0_1st.collectionid=2790

Pat speaks to Sall Grover, founder of 'Giggle for Girls' - an app designed as a women-only online community and support network that was taken offline after sustained controversy and legal pressure. Sall outlines the events that led to the Tickle v. Giggle legal battle, the role of the Australian Human Rights Commission, and what the court ultimately decided about sex, gender identity, and access to women-only spaces.

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