# Holding Ground: Ukraine, Russia, and the Politics of Persistence

An episode of [War on the Rocks](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/682478916), 15 Oct 2025, 38 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/warontherocks/WOTR_Episode_2025.10.15.mp3?dest-id=298196

Michael Kofman and Dara Massicot join Ryan to discuss the state of the front, how Ukraine and Russia are staying in the fight, the possible provision of Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, contingencies expected and unexpected, the failures of Russian diplomacy, and what the most important developments of the year so far have been.

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