# Why everyone wants Julian Nagelsmann(M4A_128K)

An episode of [Footbal Beyond the Pitch](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6821032841), 24 Oct 2026, 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Julian Nagelsmann is probably a name that you've heard in
[0:04] Speaker 1: the last few weeks because everyone wants Julian Nagelsmann, but
[0:08] Speaker 1: he's just been sacked by Bayern. So the big question
[0:10] Speaker 1: is why? So this is Nagelsmann's CV. As you can see,
[0:12] Speaker 1: he starts out life as a professional footballer, but is
[0:15] Speaker 1: only a professional footballer for a short amount of time.
[0:18] Speaker 1: He does have contracts with 1860 Munich. and also FC Augsburg.
[0:22] Speaker 1: But in 2008, he picks up a second of a
[0:25] Speaker 1: knee injury that is actually eventually going to cause him
[0:28] Speaker 1: to retire. Now you may notice that there's a big
[0:29] Speaker 1: gap between him retiring as a professional footballer and then
[0:32] Speaker 1: taking the job at Hoffenheim. And in that time, Julian
[0:35] Speaker 1: Nagelsmann uses his time to better himself. He does some
[0:37] Speaker 1: degrees at university in business, but also in sports science,
[0:40] Speaker 1: and then goes into the coaching world. He spent some
[0:43] Speaker 1: time coaching at 1860 Munich, where he was before he retired.
[0:46] Speaker 1: and then joins the youth system at Hoffenheim. But then
[0:49] Speaker 1: in the 2015-16 season, he is the assistant manager at
[0:52] Speaker 1: Hoffenheim under Hoob Stavens. Hoob Stavens actually ends up leaving
[0:56] Speaker 1: because of personal reasons, leaving Julian Nagelsmann at the age
[0:59] Speaker 1: of 28, the youngest coach in the Bundesliga with a
[1:02] Speaker 1: club who are in the relegation zone and with only
[1:04] Speaker 1: 14 games to turn things around. In the end, he
[1:07] Speaker 1: wins seven of those 14 games, and Hoffenheim do stay up.
[1:10] Speaker 1: But that starts this wonderful trajectory upwards where he gets
[1:12] Speaker 1: Hoffenheim to the Champions League, gets RB Leipzig to a
[1:15] Speaker 1: Champions League semi-final, and then wins the league with Bayern
[1:18] Speaker 1: Munich last season. And we can see this great upward
[1:21] Speaker 1: trajectory on the graph here, just showing the season finishes
[1:24] Speaker 1: that Nagelsmann has had in the Bundesliga, we can see
[1:26] Speaker 1: the first season here where he gets that 15th place finish,
[1:29] Speaker 1: keeping Hoffenheim in the league, and then the following season,
[1:32] Speaker 1: a massive jump up, so now Hoffenheim are challenging for
[1:35] Speaker 1: Champions League spots. That third place finish, getting Hoffenheim to
[1:38] Speaker 1: the Champions League, and then that resulting in a bit
[1:40] Speaker 1: of a drop the following season, because Hoffenheim don't have
[1:42] Speaker 1: the squad depth to be able to deal with the
[1:44] Speaker 1: Bundesliga and the Champions League competition as well. But this
[1:47] Speaker 1: did not matter because already heads had been turning towards
[1:50] Speaker 1: Hoffenheim's young manager. And in the following season, Julian Nagelsmann
[1:53] Speaker 1: ends up at RB Leipzig, gets them immediately into the
[1:56] Speaker 1: Champions League spots of both of his seasons there, and
[1:58] Speaker 1: actually takes them to a Champions League semi-final, which is
[2:01] Speaker 1: the highest finish they've ever had in that tournament. And
[2:04] Speaker 1: those heads kept on turning because after the second place
[2:07] Speaker 1: finish in the Bundesliga with RB Leipzig, Bayern Munich came
[2:10] Speaker 1: in and brought Julian Nagelsmann to the top club in
[2:13] Speaker 1: the Bundesliga. It was the club that he had supported
[2:15] Speaker 1: since he was a kid, so it was his dream job.
[2:17] Speaker 1: and that following season he managed to get a first
[2:20] Speaker 1: place finish in the league. Now obviously this season hasn't
[2:23] Speaker 1: gone quite so swimmingly and with Bayern dropping off the
[2:25] Speaker 1: top spot in the Bundesliga for one match week, the
[2:28] Speaker 1: owners at Bayern decided that was enough evidence to get
[2:30] Speaker 1: rid of Julian Nagelsmann and he is now gone. But
[2:33] Speaker 1: we're not here to talk about why Nagelsmann left Bayern,
[2:35] Speaker 1: we're here to talk about why everyone wants to sign
[2:37] Speaker 1: him as their manager and I think this plot shows
[2:40] Speaker 1: really nicely why that might be the case because we
[2:41] Speaker 1: see him coming in at a team who are struggling
[2:43] Speaker 1: with relegation and he takes them up to the top
[2:45] Speaker 1: half of the table. He joins a team who are
[2:47] Speaker 1: challenging for the title and Champions League spots and they
[2:50] Speaker 1: comfortably do that. And then he goes to the best
[2:52] Speaker 1: team in the league and he wins the league with
[2:54] Speaker 1: them as well. So this is a manager who is
[2:56] Speaker 1: really flexible, who can operate at any different team and
[2:59] Speaker 1: make them much better. But where does this flexibility come from? Well,
[3:03] Speaker 1: I've got a quote from Nagelsmann himself, which explains a
[3:06] Speaker 1: little bit. about why he is so flexible. So Julian
[3:09] Speaker 1: Nagelsmann says, I give my players patterns that apply to
[3:12] Speaker 1: every basic structure and every phase of play. It's important
[3:15] Speaker 1: that my players put the principles we have into practice
[3:18] Speaker 1: on the pitch at the weekend and then switch them
[3:20] Speaker 1: to suit the respective opponent. This makes us less predictable. Now,
[3:24] Speaker 1: the important word to see here is principles, because what
[3:28] Speaker 1: Julian Nagelsmann is not doing is telling his team exactly
[3:31] Speaker 1: how to behave in every moment. He's actually giving them
[3:33] Speaker 1: the principles that they need to be able to interpret
[3:35] Speaker 1: what's going on on the field and be able to respond,
[3:38] Speaker 1: make decisions. And in each situation, they should be able
[3:40] Speaker 1: to solve those problems between themselves, which is really good
[3:44] Speaker 1: for flexibility because it allows you to change the way
[3:46] Speaker 1: that you're playing depending on how the opposition are coming out.
[3:49] Speaker 1: It makes you very unpredictable, as he says, but it
[3:51] Speaker 1: makes it hard if you're making a video about Julian
[3:53] Speaker 1: Nagelsmann and trying to explain how his tactics work. And
[3:55] Speaker 1: this is the thing, because if you were to ask
[3:57] Speaker 1: me what is it that Julian Nagelsmann's teams do, the
[4:00] Speaker 1: answer is everything. They can do everything on a football pitch.
[4:04] Speaker 1: They can play in a back three system, or they
[4:06] Speaker 1: can play in a back four system. Their back four
[4:09] Speaker 1: system can become a back three system by dropping out
[4:11] Speaker 1: one of the central midfielders, or their back three system
[4:13] Speaker 1: can become a back four system by pushing one of
[4:15] Speaker 1: the centre backs forward. They can make their back four
[4:18] Speaker 1: system into a back three system by pushing one of
[4:19] Speaker 1: their full backs really high. like this, or they can
[4:22] Speaker 1: make their back five system into a back four system
[4:25] Speaker 1: by doing the same thing and everyone shuffling around with
[4:27] Speaker 1: the other wing back dropping in here as well. They
[4:29] Speaker 1: can play really, really slow, patient build up football, moving
[4:32] Speaker 1: the ball, controlling the ball and working it down the field,
[4:35] Speaker 1: or they can play a long ball down the field
[4:37] Speaker 1: to a striker you can head it on to a
[4:39] Speaker 1: direct player who's then going to try and score. They
[4:41] Speaker 1: can use width on either side, like this, or they
[4:45] Speaker 1: can play super narrow in the middle. Out of possession,
[4:47] Speaker 1: they could try and force the opposition wide into the
[4:50] Speaker 1: wide areas and trap them against the sideline, or they
[4:52] Speaker 1: might be a little bit more open in the centre
[4:55] Speaker 1: and invite their passes through the middle. When those passes
[4:57] Speaker 1: come in through the middle, it may be the case
[4:59] Speaker 1: that the central midfielders are looking to intercept those passes
[5:01] Speaker 1: before they arrive at the opponents. Or it may be
[5:04] Speaker 1: the case that they're simply going to go player for
[5:06] Speaker 1: player on the opponents to stop them from winning the
[5:09] Speaker 1: ball there as well. All of which makes his team
[5:11] Speaker 1: super flexible. But I do want to give you a
[5:13] Speaker 1: general sense of what to expect from the football of
[5:16] Speaker 1: Julian Nagelsmann. And so if I was pressed, I would
[5:18] Speaker 1: describe his play style as positional football, but with a
[5:22] Speaker 1: different emphasis than most of your positional coaches. Now, when
[5:25] Speaker 1: I say the words positional play to you, most of
[5:28] Speaker 1: you will already in your heads be dividing the pitch
[5:30] Speaker 1: up into these five channels. So we have a central space,
[5:33] Speaker 1: We have two half spaces on either sides, and then
[5:36] Speaker 1: we have the wide areas as well. And for most
[5:38] Speaker 1: positional coaches, the most important idea is the rational occupation
[5:42] Speaker 1: of these channels. So the idea is that you'll push
[5:44] Speaker 1: your wingers high and wide in this wide channel, push
[5:47] Speaker 1: your center forward in the middle, your eights can push
[5:49] Speaker 1: up into the half spaces. And so your players are
[5:51] Speaker 1: really nicely set up to exploit the spaces between the
[5:54] Speaker 1: back four. Now, the idea behind this is to generate
[5:57] Speaker 1: as much space as possible through maximum width. So we've
[6:01] Speaker 1: got our wingers here. You want them to be hugging
[6:03] Speaker 1: the touchlines. That's going to pull the opposition fullbacks across.
[6:06] Speaker 1: And again, what you're doing then is just generating space
[6:09] Speaker 1: in these areas that just make it easier for your
[6:11] Speaker 1: team to be able to exploit the space in behind.
[6:14] Speaker 1: Now Nagelsmann is still interested in the concept of width himself,
[6:17] Speaker 1: but rather than trying to maximize as much width as
[6:20] Speaker 1: possible across the field, what he's going to do is
[6:22] Speaker 1: use a concept called minimum width or relative width. What
[6:26] Speaker 1: this means is that rather than his wide players being
[6:28] Speaker 1: out on the touchline, they're going to be as narrow
[6:30] Speaker 1: as they possibly can while still being on the other
[6:33] Speaker 1: side of the player who is the widest player in
[6:35] Speaker 1: this line here. So this instance here, we can see
[6:38] Speaker 1: the minimum width is around this line here. So we're
[6:41] Speaker 1: seeing a difference of about that amount of movement. So
[6:44] Speaker 1: why might this matter? Because it seems like a really
[6:46] Speaker 1: minute detail, really. But there are a few benefits that
[6:48] Speaker 1: you get by playing with this concept of minimum width,
[6:51] Speaker 1: one of which is that you're bringing your players much
[6:53] Speaker 1: closer together, which has a lot of benefits. The first
[6:56] Speaker 1: one of those is that you are able to pass
[6:57] Speaker 1: the ball much quicker because these passes are much shorter
[7:00] Speaker 1: than these passes. The other thing that it allows you
[7:02] Speaker 1: to do as well is if you lose the ball,
[7:04] Speaker 1: then you're much closer to the play to then be
[7:05] Speaker 1: able to counter press and win the ball back. There's
[7:07] Speaker 1: also a final benefit in that when you're counterattacking, it's
[7:10] Speaker 1: much better to have your forward players narrow because they're
[7:12] Speaker 1: much closer to the goal. So let's say the ball's
[7:14] Speaker 1: turned over here, we play it to the player in
[7:16] Speaker 1: a minimum width position, it's much easier for them to
[7:18] Speaker 1: attack the goal. Whereas if we played it to the
[7:20] Speaker 1: player in a maximum width position, they're much further away
[7:22] Speaker 1: from the goal, so it's much easier for them to
[7:24] Speaker 1: be defended. But it's important to remember this is still
[7:27] Speaker 1: a form of positional football because you're still thinking about
[7:30] Speaker 1: manipulating the opposition, stretching their back line to create space
[7:33] Speaker 1: to exploit. But positional football isn't all about creating space horizontally.
[7:37] Speaker 1: It's also about creating space vertically. And one of the
[7:39] Speaker 1: things that you'll notice from Julian Nagelsmann's teams is that
[7:42] Speaker 1: he's constantly trying to find players in between the lines
[7:45] Speaker 1: of pressure that the opposition set up out of possession.
[7:48] Speaker 1: So you'll see often many players in these sorts of
[7:50] Speaker 1: central areas here trying to win the ball. The idea
[7:53] Speaker 1: here is that you should be able to bait the
[7:55] Speaker 1: opposition players out and create more space then that your
[7:59] Speaker 1: own teammate can move into and then you can play
[8:01] Speaker 1: the ball through. And again, once that's happened, you can
[8:03] Speaker 1: start doing all of these movements all the way down
[8:05] Speaker 1: the field where you're baiting in players and creating space
[8:08] Speaker 1: that can then be attacked. That's a really important positional
[8:11] Speaker 1: idea and that's something that is fundamental to Julian Nagelsmann's teams.
[8:15] Speaker 1: So Julian Nagelsmann is a positional coach But rather than
[8:18] Speaker 1: focusing on the rational occupation of space across the field
[8:20] Speaker 1: in the way that many other positional coaches are, he's
[8:22] Speaker 1: actually more interested in this second idea, this notion of
[8:25] Speaker 1: creating space through baiting opposition players forward and generating space
[8:30] Speaker 1: between the lines. And if we bring together these two
[8:32] Speaker 1: tactical ideas, the concept of minimum space but also the
[8:35] Speaker 1: idea of generating space to then exploit, we arrive, I think,
[8:39] Speaker 1: at the heart of what Julian Nagelsmann's football is all about.
[8:42] Speaker 1: And I've got a lovely quote from Danny Olmo, who
[8:44] Speaker 1: played under Nagelsmann at RB Leipzig, which really brings these
[8:46] Speaker 1: two ideas together. So we start off with this concept
[8:49] Speaker 1: of minimum width. Here we can play closer together. We
[8:51] Speaker 1: rely on each other so that we can give the
[8:53] Speaker 1: game more speed. If we play more spaced out, we
[8:55] Speaker 1: can't play as fast as the coach wants us to.
[8:57] Speaker 1: That's why we want to play as close together as possible,
[9:00] Speaker 1: almost like a five-a-side football game. So that's the concept
[9:03] Speaker 1: of minimum width, bringing the players together and being able
[9:05] Speaker 1: to use the relations between the players as an important
[9:08] Speaker 1: tactical aspect, as well as the spaces between them. And
[9:12] Speaker 1: then in the second part of the quote, we have
[9:13] Speaker 1: this other idea, this notion of generating space to exploit.
[9:17] Speaker 1: So Olmo says, the smaller the space, the better, because
[9:20] Speaker 1: the ball moves faster. We attract more rivals that way,
[9:23] Speaker 1: but we need to know how to play under pressure.
[9:25] Speaker 1: So that's the idea that by holding onto the ball
[9:27] Speaker 1: and baiting the opposition towards you, you then generate spaces
[9:30] Speaker 1: that can be exploited. And Olmo carries on, if we succeed,
[9:33] Speaker 1: we open bigger spaces and we're able to attack with
[9:36] Speaker 1: more depth. And that is, in a nutshell, Julian Nagelsmann's
[9:40] Speaker 1: play style. But despite all of this, Julian Nagelsmann's flexibility
[9:44] Speaker 1: still overrides his idealism. So don't be surprised if you
[9:47] Speaker 1: see Nagelsmann playing a style of football that doesn't fit
[9:50] Speaker 1: his ideal. And I think this shows up really nicely
[9:53] Speaker 1: in his time at Bayern Munich, because when he gets
[9:55] Speaker 1: to Bayern Munich, he is adopting a team from Hansi Flick,
[9:58] Speaker 1: who is a very positional coach, and he uses those
[10:00] Speaker 1: tactics largely in the first season there. That's the season
[10:03] Speaker 1: when he wins the league. I've got a really nice
[10:05] Speaker 1: example of what this looks like in practice from the
[10:08] Speaker 1: Champions League game, where they actually got knocked out of
[10:10] Speaker 1: the Champions League against Villarreal. And if we look at
[10:12] Speaker 1: the board here, we can see this is just standard
[10:14] Speaker 1: positional play. So we talked about the concept of maximum
[10:17] Speaker 1: width and we can see it on this slide here.
[10:20] Speaker 1: So we can see the winger on one side, winger
[10:22] Speaker 1: on the other, and then we can see the other
[10:23] Speaker 1: attacking players filling in the spaces between this back line.
[10:27] Speaker 1: And in the back here, we can see that we've
[10:28] Speaker 1: got a narrow back three, a sitting player here. And
[10:31] Speaker 1: the idea is that they're going to be able to
[10:32] Speaker 1: defend the ball from a turnover. They're going to sit narrow,
[10:35] Speaker 1: force the opposition out wide. and make it easier to
[10:38] Speaker 1: defend those transitions. But despite winning the Bundesliga, Julian Nagelsmann
[10:41] Speaker 1: was not happy with the way his team were playing
[10:43] Speaker 1: football in that first season, and in the summer comes
[10:46] Speaker 1: out with a quote which says he's going to tear
[10:47] Speaker 1: up the copybook and change the way that he's approaching things.
[10:50] Speaker 1: So he says, in my second season, I will somewhat
[10:52] Speaker 1: deviate a bit from my path. I've learned over the
[10:54] Speaker 1: past season how important each individual character is to form
[10:57] Speaker 1: a team. That's partly even more important than teaching tactics.
[11:01] Speaker 1: So what we've got here is this concept of a
[11:03] Speaker 1: positional play, which offers a structure for the players to
[11:06] Speaker 1: actually use to get upside from. But he's saying it's
[11:08] Speaker 1: not just about that structure. We need to get the
[11:10] Speaker 1: relations between those players working as well. We need to
[11:13] Speaker 1: be able to get the players vibing off one another
[11:15] Speaker 1: into the situations where they can make those quick passes,
[11:18] Speaker 1: get through and score more goals. And so when Bayern
[11:20] Speaker 1: Munich came back at the beginning of the next season,
[11:22] Speaker 1: their play style had changed completely. So this is the
[11:24] Speaker 1: Super Cup 2022, which is sort of the charity shield
[11:27] Speaker 1: in Germany. This is the first game of the season,
[11:29] Speaker 1: and as we can see, rather than doing the positional
[11:32] Speaker 1: things that we've come to expect from the previous season,
[11:34] Speaker 1: we can see that now there's much more of a
[11:35] Speaker 1: flat back four. We're not seeing Alphonso Davies push all
[11:38] Speaker 1: the way up the wide area to try and get
[11:40] Speaker 1: onto the back line. He's actually staying much closer to
[11:42] Speaker 1: his counterparts. We've got a double pivot here rather than
[11:45] Speaker 1: the single pivot that we had before. And as you
[11:47] Speaker 1: can see, the idea is to generate space in here
[11:50] Speaker 1: to pull the opposition apart. You can see Thomas Muller
[11:52] Speaker 1: dropping in here to try and pull Kevin Campbell out
[11:54] Speaker 1: of the way, generating space then that the other players
[11:56] Speaker 1: can move into. The attacking players can get the ball
[11:59] Speaker 1: in these areas, get close together and generate these attacking moves.
[12:02] Speaker 1: And if we fast forward to the attacking phase, we
[12:04] Speaker 1: can see the same things here. So the back four,
[12:06] Speaker 1: the double pivot, and then there's these attacking forward players here.
[12:09] Speaker 1: But what you should notice is that it's so narrow.
[12:12] Speaker 1: So I've just drawn two lines here. The only players
[12:14] Speaker 1: for buy-in outside those two lines are the fullbacks. Everyone
[12:17] Speaker 1: else is within that space. And as we can see,
[12:20] Speaker 1: you've got the perfect setup then to be able to
[12:21] Speaker 1: generate space in between the lines of pressure, which you
[12:24] Speaker 1: can then find. So we can see here, Joshua Kimmich
[12:27] Speaker 1: is dropping into this space to try and pull Konrad
[12:29] Speaker 1: Leimer out of position. And we can see here Deo
[12:31] Speaker 1: Opimakano is trying to pull Forsberg out. So the idea
[12:34] Speaker 1: then is that you should be able to find this
[12:35] Speaker 1: player in space. You can maybe play a one-two pass
[12:38] Speaker 1: here and then find Thomas Müller now in space here.
[12:41] Speaker 1: this is the perfect setup that you want for this
[12:43] Speaker 1: more relational approach where you can move the ball through
[12:45] Speaker 1: the lines of pressure and attack through the center. So
[12:48] Speaker 1: things very much changed in the second season of Bayern.
[12:51] Speaker 1: But the problem is that Nagelsmann still isn't happy with
[12:54] Speaker 1: the way that his team are playing. And so just
[12:56] Speaker 1: before the World Cup break happens, He does what he
[12:58] Speaker 1: always does and he tweaks things a little bit. The
[13:00] Speaker 1: flexibility comes through. And what he does is we have
[13:02] Speaker 1: this system with the back four, the double pivot, and
[13:04] Speaker 1: then these fluid four attacking players. He actually takes one
[13:07] Speaker 1: of the double pivot players out, replaces them with a striker,
[13:09] Speaker 1: Eric Maxim Chopimoting, and then he has a bit more
[13:12] Speaker 1: of a flat back four behind him here with just
[13:15] Speaker 1: a single sitting player. The problem is, is you can
[13:17] Speaker 1: end up moving very easily from this sort of structure
[13:20] Speaker 1: into positional play again. So you push your striker forward,
[13:23] Speaker 1: your two wide players forward, your eights help them out.
[13:26] Speaker 1: Alphonso Davies pushes into the final line, you have your
[13:29] Speaker 1: sitter here, you narrow back three here. This is a
[13:32] Speaker 1: really nice rest defense structure and you're trying to overload
[13:35] Speaker 1: the front line here with maximum width. We're back at
[13:39] Speaker 1: positional play. But even this didn't work and in the
[13:41] Speaker 1: end Nagelsmann's final months at Bayern were punctuated by him
[13:44] Speaker 1: making these tactical tweaks to try and fix things whilst
[13:48] Speaker 1: the team were actually dropping points. And I've actually got
[13:50] Speaker 1: a screenshot here which shows you Bayern's setup for Nagelsmann's
[13:53] Speaker 1: final game in charge. This was a 2-1 loss against Leverkusen.
[13:56] Speaker 1: And as we can see, Bayern are set up in
[13:58] Speaker 1: this 5-3-2 shape, which was the shape that Nagelsmann originally
[14:02] Speaker 1: used at Hoffenheim. So we've gone full circle there, the
[14:04] Speaker 1: flexibility has brought him back to where he started from.
[14:07] Speaker 1: So why does everyone want Julian Nagelsmann? Well, that flexibility
[14:10] Speaker 1: that we've seen running throughout his career makes him a
[14:12] Speaker 1: super attractive prospect for clubs at every level. If you're
[14:16] Speaker 1: at the bottom of the table, that flexibility allows you
[14:18] Speaker 1: to be really reactive to teams around you, make it
[14:20] Speaker 1: really hard for them to beat you. But if you're
[14:22] Speaker 1: at the top of the table, that flexibility means that
[14:24] Speaker 1: you can be really proactive. and find ways of taking
[14:27] Speaker 1: points off other teams to allow you to be really
[14:29] Speaker 1: successful at the highest level. And because of this, Julian
[14:32] Speaker 1: Nagelsmann will be a really hot property in the market
[14:35] Speaker 1: this summer. But we have seen from his time at
[14:37] Speaker 1: Bayern that this flexibility at the highest levels can sometimes
[14:40] Speaker 1: become detrimental. And so it will be interesting to see
[14:42] Speaker 1: that if he does move to an elite club next,
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