# Back to Back Barries: divisive debates and Dan Andrews

An episode of [Back to Back Barries](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6816273636), 5 Sep 2025, 27 min.

Audio: https://flex.acast.com/audio.guim.co.uk/2025/09/05-20947-Barries_migration_ch_050925_1525.mp3

Barrie Cassidy and Tony Barry discuss this week’s immigration debate and why politicians from all sides need to speak up strongly on the benefits of immigration. They also take a look at Dan Andrews’ ‘photo bomb’ alongside some of the world’s most powerful men, aged care and whether PMs should have longer terms

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