# Falcons QB Injuries, Hold-In Watch and Cowboys Looking To Make a Big Move?

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 29 Jul 2026, 29 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook get you caught up on all the news coming out of camp from around the NFL including the Falcons signing Cooper Rush because both Tua Tagovailoa and Michael Penix are injured to start camp, both Bijan Robinson and Jahmyr Gibbs starting camp as a hold-in, Denzel Ward and Grant Delpit getting new contracts from the Browns, Malik Nabers' status to start camp, and discuss what big move Jerry Jones could be hinting at to start Cowboys camp. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, the originator of The Holden. I'm
[0:09] Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my
[0:13] Speaker 1: friend Nick Shook, still recovering from Lebron James oh spiting
[0:20] Speaker 1: his hometown. Shook's hometown too, of Cleveland. He's in Cleveland.
[0:24] Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get him out to Los Angeles at some point.
[0:26] Speaker 1: That would be amazing. This is a new type of show, Shook.
[0:29] Speaker 1: It's a news only show on this Wednesday with the
[0:33] Speaker 1: entire NFL practicing at training camp for the first time.
[0:36] Speaker 2: Are you ready?
[0:37] Speaker 3: I am ready. I was hoping I could avoid you twist.
[0:40] Speaker 3: Sorry Lebron, but we got it. You know, I knew
[0:43] Speaker 3: it was going to come eventually, So here we are.
[0:45] Speaker 2: I don't know what's wrong with me. They blew it
[0:48] Speaker 2: love language.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah it is, and it's not a good one. When
[0:52] Speaker 1: I mentioned that this show is going to be a
[0:55] Speaker 1: little different, We're just going to update you on the
[0:57] Speaker 1: news because of how training camp is structured. Do this
[1:01] Speaker 1: pretty often where it's just a news only type of show,
[1:03] Speaker 1: and then our longer, bigger segments like our AFC North
[1:07] Speaker 1: preview with Jordan rod reeg Will we'll drop it on
[1:10] Speaker 1: a separate show, so look out for that one. But
[1:11] Speaker 1: this is news only, and there was a lot of
[1:13] Speaker 1: it on Wednesday. Let's start with the Falcons, which had
[1:17] Speaker 1: a no good, very bad, terrible awful first day of
[1:20] Speaker 1: training camp. Here's what happened to them on the first day.
[1:23] Speaker 1: But John Robinson not practicing, he's holding in. Did you
[1:27] Speaker 1: know shuk that I believe I originated the term holding in.
[1:31] Speaker 1: I only mention it like twice a year on this
[1:32] Speaker 1: Wait wait really, I started writing that and talking about
[1:37] Speaker 1: it on around the NFL, and I started writing on
[1:39] Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. I never seen it anywhere else, I
[1:41] Speaker 1: know Florio's, you know, people started picking it up other places,
[1:45] Speaker 1: and I was like, I came up.
[1:46] Speaker 2: I came up with the holding and now it's everywhere.
[1:49] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not surprised because you're a creative and
[1:51] Speaker 3: innovative type, but I mean, I would love to cross
[1:54] Speaker 3: references because if we.
[1:55] Speaker 1: Can actually confirm this it's on an NFL dot com article.
[1:57] Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like, we're gonna call these hold ins.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Because it was after the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, it
[2:03] Speaker 1: became just a thing that people do and what they
[2:06] Speaker 1: do shook is they want more money. They don't want
[2:09] Speaker 1: to get the fines that the new collective barneying bargaining agreement,
[2:13] Speaker 1: you know, cost them by skipping camp, and so they
[2:15] Speaker 1: just show up and they're there, They're going to the meetings.
[2:18] Speaker 2: Kind of everyone's happy.
[2:19] Speaker 1: The coaches are happier because at least they're there and
[2:22] Speaker 1: not falling behind the players, not getting fined, and that's
[2:24] Speaker 1: what Bajan is doing. So that's number one thing that
[2:26] Speaker 1: happened to the Falcons today. Tua Tongue Biloa is not
[2:29] Speaker 1: ready for the start of camp. We don't know when
[2:30] Speaker 1: he's going to be back. He has a back injury
[2:32] Speaker 1: that we didn't know about, something that flared up. Michael
[2:35] Speaker 1: Pennock spoke to the media and said that he could
[2:38] Speaker 1: be out up to four weeks. And then the one
[2:40] Speaker 1: that hurt me personally is that they released Trevor Simeon
[2:44] Speaker 1: with a non football injury designation. Trevor Simeon team trev
[2:48] Speaker 1: had a chance to be the starting quarterback on day
[2:50] Speaker 1: one a camp and he will not be and it
[2:54] Speaker 1: sounds like this might be like a career ending type
[2:56] Speaker 1: of thing. They decided to sign Cooper Rush to help
[2:59] Speaker 1: in the meantime, let's listen to Michael Pennix talking about
[3:03] Speaker 1: his rehab.
[3:04] Speaker 4: Right now.
[3:04] Speaker 5: We're just seeing seeing where I'm at, you know, and
[3:07] Speaker 5: just you know, just trusting the process. You know, it's
[3:09] Speaker 5: more seeing how my body is feeling, you know, with
[3:12] Speaker 5: these practices. But I know I was told that like
[3:16] Speaker 5: another four weeks possibly going into that next stage. But
[3:20] Speaker 5: at the same time, it could be earlier. You know,
[3:22] Speaker 5: it just depends on, you know, how my body is
[3:24] Speaker 5: doing throughout this whole camp process.
[3:27] Speaker 1: So to be clear, Michael Pennox is involved on the
[3:30] Speaker 1: individual drills. He's doing some practice, maybe some of the
[3:34] Speaker 1: seven on sevens, I'm not sure. But because he's not
[3:37] Speaker 1: available Tua, who's had a lot of injuries over the
[3:39] Speaker 1: year back injury entering camp is a bad sign. He's
[3:42] Speaker 1: not available. Cooper Rush they just signed today. I don't
[3:45] Speaker 1: think he was available for today. Can you name the
[3:49] Speaker 1: QB one of the Atlanta Falcons on day one of
[3:51] Speaker 1: training camp. I'm considering this a bad omen.
[3:54] Speaker 3: Because I live on the news desk when I'm not
[3:57] Speaker 3: in the podcast studio virtually. His name is Jack Strand.
[4:00] Speaker 3: He is not left handed, and he is the man
[4:03] Speaker 3: with the job right now.
[4:05] Speaker 1: He went to Minnesota State Moorhead undrafted rookie. I'm not
[4:09] Speaker 1: familiar with his work. They signed him back in May.
[4:14] Speaker 1: I'm going to consider it a bad omen for the
[4:16] Speaker 1: season when Jack Strand is taking your first team rep
[4:19] Speaker 1: at training camp and your best player is holding in
[4:23] Speaker 1: which no one particularly expected. This kind of came out
[4:26] Speaker 1: of left field for Bajohn Robinson.
[4:28] Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want to sound the panic alarm too much, though,
[4:31] Speaker 3: because neither of these quarterbacks are on pup. That's when
[4:34] Speaker 3: you would really be concerned the back flare up thing.
[4:38] Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with Tua. I mean, that could
[4:40] Speaker 3: be a tricky thing, that could be a recurring thing.
[4:42] Speaker 3: That was obviously what dominated Matthew Stafford's lead up to
[4:45] Speaker 3: his eventual NFL MVP season last year. But it's not
[4:49] Speaker 3: a good way to start the camp for sure. And
[4:50] Speaker 3: I think I'm actually more concerned about Bijon, Like, you're
[4:53] Speaker 3: gonna sign him eventually, but he's the most important part
[4:56] Speaker 3: of this team, even beyond the quarterback.
[4:58] Speaker 1: They'll get that deal done, so whether it's in a
[5:01] Speaker 1: week in two weeks, I don't think he is going
[5:05] Speaker 1: to lose too much missing a chunk of training camp.
[5:08] Speaker 2: So I'm not too worried.
[5:09] Speaker 1: It is a new offense that you want to see
[5:11] Speaker 1: him behind this new offensive line. In terms of the
[5:15] Speaker 1: offensive line coach, it's basically the same players, but it's
[5:17] Speaker 1: going to be a different scheme. But this was always
[5:20] Speaker 1: going to be the risks signing to a along with Pennex,
[5:23] Speaker 1: like two injury risks together, like like expecting eight games
[5:28] Speaker 1: out of each of them. That's not really like a
[5:30] Speaker 1: way to build a team. And it's just it's just
[5:33] Speaker 1: bad vibes. And I feel bad for Trevor Simeon too.
[5:35] Speaker 3: Could have been a recommendation. Okay, I have a recommendation
[5:38] Speaker 3: for Ian Cunningham, the GM of the Falcons, and for
[5:40] Speaker 3: Matt Ryan, president of football the Falcons. Okay, pick up
[5:43] Speaker 3: the phone and call Kevin Stefanski's former employer and kick
[5:47] Speaker 3: the tires on Dylan Gabriel. Okay, that's all I'm saying
[5:50] Speaker 3: a little depressing. It is, so is Jack Strand.
[5:53] Speaker 6: No.
[5:53] Speaker 1: I could see that happening if Deshaun Watson doesn't have
[5:58] Speaker 1: the biggest fiasco of a training camp ever and they're
[6:01] Speaker 1: just like, hey, we will give you a fifth for
[6:03] Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel if this thing isn't going well in a
[6:08] Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So holdens were the order of the day.
[6:11] Speaker 1: As we talked about on Tuesday show. All the teams
[6:14] Speaker 1: showed up to camp on Tuesday. Wednesday was the first
[6:16] Speaker 1: day they were all practicing, and so we learned about
[6:19] Speaker 1: a lot of these holdens.
[6:20] Speaker 2: I'm going to go through them one by one.
[6:23] Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs, like Bajon Robinson, these two are, you know,
[6:28] Speaker 1: two birds of a feather. They're affecting each other. We'll
[6:30] Speaker 1: be interesting to see who signs first. Jamir Gibbs not
[6:33] Speaker 1: practicing at Lions camp. Chris o'lave is practicing on seven
[6:37] Speaker 1: on sevens in individuals, but not doing teamwork. I noted
[6:41] Speaker 1: earlier Christian Gonzales, for instance, for the Patriots not only
[6:44] Speaker 1: doing teamwork, but he's going to do the full padded everything,
[6:46] Speaker 1: so he's not holding in at all. Olave kind of
[6:50] Speaker 1: splitting the difference. Tully Polo two not practicing fully at
[6:55] Speaker 1: Chargers training camp. Jim Harbaugh had said earlier in the
[6:59] Speaker 1: day the entire team was healthy and ready to go,
[7:02] Speaker 1: so that would indicate that that is contract related. Jonathan
[7:05] Speaker 1: Taylor of the Cults is practicing, He says, you know,
[7:10] Speaker 1: he wants to approach it this way, and he's hoping
[7:13] Speaker 1: for a new contract, and he's taking the route that
[7:16] Speaker 1: maybe maybe practicing will work out better. He had a
[7:18] Speaker 1: very contentious hold out last time around. Maybe doesn't want
[7:21] Speaker 1: to go through that again. Before I get your take, Chuck,
[7:24] Speaker 1: think about which one you think is most significant, if
[7:27] Speaker 1: any of them are. Let's listen to Dan Campbell talk
[7:29] Speaker 1: about Jamiir Gibbs.
[7:31] Speaker 4: Of course we you know, you guys know how we
[7:33] Speaker 4: feel about Gibbs and all of our guys. Laparda brand,
[7:37] Speaker 4: you know, And so we'll take this as it comes.
[7:41] Speaker 4: This is uh, you know, this will this will kind
[7:44] Speaker 4: of continue, it'll it'll come as it comes. I think
[7:47] Speaker 4: that's the best way to say it. And so you know,
[7:49] Speaker 4: this is uh, this is both both sides working through
[7:53] Speaker 4: something and and uh, and we'll take it as it comes.
[7:55] Speaker 4: But that's where it is.
[8:00] Speaker 1: I'm not putting that on a T shirt. It'll come
[8:02] Speaker 1: as it comes. But you know, it's the first day
[8:04] Speaker 1: of camp for everyone. What is the answer to my question,
[8:10] Speaker 1: which was which of these matter? If any of them.
[8:13] Speaker 3: Gives matters, even though they'll get that deal done eventually.
[8:15] Speaker 3: Like Dan Campbell said, not to repeat his catchphrase a
[8:18] Speaker 3: third time, but it will get done eventually. Olave is
[8:21] Speaker 3: in a contract year, it makes sense, Taylor, I am
[8:24] Speaker 3: the least concerned about That's to answer your question in reverse,
[8:27] Speaker 3: because in June he basically anticipated this. On June tenth,
[8:31] Speaker 3: I wrote about it, and he said last time, just
[8:34] Speaker 3: understanding that, Hey, some people are gonna run with some
[8:35] Speaker 3: of the media narratives. Some people won't, but I know
[8:37] Speaker 3: that true Indianapolis fans they'll be able to see through
[8:39] Speaker 3: the weeds and understand exactly what's going on and not
[8:42] Speaker 3: just believe everything that they read. Basically, he's saying, I
[8:45] Speaker 3: got caught in the drama last time. It got really ugly,
[8:47] Speaker 3: and luckily we worked it out. I'm not interested in
[8:49] Speaker 3: doing that again. And that's why he's participating, and that's
[8:52] Speaker 3: why they'll figure out this contract eventually. So that's positive
[8:55] Speaker 3: news over there. I understand the security risk. I think
[8:59] Speaker 3: for Chrystal LaVey, who has struggled to say on the
[9:00] Speaker 3: field because of health issues going into a contract year,
[9:02] Speaker 3: you want an extension. We'll see what happens with that one.
[9:06] Speaker 2: Tully.
[9:06] Speaker 1: Tully blowtu I think is a tricky one for them.
[9:08] Speaker 1: They have a lot of cap space the chargers, but
[9:12] Speaker 1: they're spending a lot up front. We'll see. That's what
[9:14] Speaker 1: I could actually see of all of these like lasting
[9:16] Speaker 1: the longest, we'll see. Kyle Shanahan spoke to the forty
[9:21] Speaker 1: nine ers media. I did want to circle back to
[9:23] Speaker 1: this before we got to some disappointing injury news around
[9:27] Speaker 1: the NFL on this first full scale day of training camp,
[9:31] Speaker 1: and it is a very interesting headline to read. Shook
[9:35] Speaker 1: after we had updated it on our previous show that
[9:38] Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan wanted to correct the record, the record being
[9:43] Speaker 1: the police write up of his accident and clarify two
[9:47] Speaker 1: local reporters who he gathered together to talk off camera
[9:52] Speaker 1: that the accident that he was involved in that wasn't
[9:56] Speaker 1: reported on for eleven days was his fault. He said
[10:00] Speaker 1: he dropped his phone. He said he wasn't on his phone,
[10:03] Speaker 1: but he dropped his phone while he was driving and
[10:07] Speaker 1: was like looking for his phone while driving. He said,
[10:10] Speaker 1: He's going twenty miles an hour and he puts his
[10:13] Speaker 1: head down and is like searching around for your phone.
[10:15] Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you get it stuck between the seat
[10:18] Speaker 1: and whatever. I don't know where he was looking for it,
[10:21] Speaker 1: and he pulled his head up, he says, two seconds later,
[10:25] Speaker 1: and the air bags are going off, Like he drifted
[10:29] Speaker 1: into the other lane and got into this collision with
[10:33] Speaker 1: a woman who is reportedly doing okay. But he said
[10:37] Speaker 1: it really made him sick to think about, you know,
[10:40] Speaker 1: her seeing this that she was at fault when that
[10:43] Speaker 1: wasn't the case. So Shanahan and the way this has
[10:47] Speaker 1: all come out, it being held for ten or eleven
[10:49] Speaker 1: days and now you have to correct, like the police
[10:53] Speaker 1: right up of it. At first, I just wanted the
[10:56] Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist just just shut up, like not everything has
[10:59] Speaker 1: to be a conspiracy theory. But they're kind of helping
[11:02] Speaker 1: out the conspiracy theorists with just how all the information
[11:05] Speaker 1: has come out in this unfortunate incident.
[11:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I tend to want to say good
[11:11] Speaker 3: on Kyle for acknowledging that it was his fault and
[11:14] Speaker 3: correcting the record to take responsibility for the action. But
[11:20] Speaker 3: it's also like it is making things a little complicated.
[11:25] Speaker 3: I mean, look, you don't ever want to take your
[11:28] Speaker 3: eyes off of the road when you're driving. First off,
[11:31] Speaker 3: and foremost. But yeah, I'm glad that everybody seems to
[11:34] Speaker 3: be okay and that maybe he's learned his lesson. But
[11:38] Speaker 3: it got weirder than it needed to be. I think
[11:40] Speaker 3: it's weird.
[11:41] Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll see if there's any agreement between him
[11:45] Speaker 1: and the victim here too, like whether there's any financial
[11:48] Speaker 1: We don't know, but it's not something that law enforcement
[11:51] Speaker 1: is dealing with. And the police confirmed, they said it
[11:55] Speaker 1: was a mistake in terms of them. They confirmed that
[11:58] Speaker 1: they made an error and that they made a mistake
[12:00] Speaker 1: and that it was like a I don't know, they
[12:04] Speaker 1: called it like a technical error entering the info.
[12:07] Speaker 2: Very strange.
[12:07] Speaker 1: Let's get to the disappointing injury news from the day.
[12:10] Speaker 1: Brian Bressi, who is a defensive tackle for the Saints,
[12:14] Speaker 1: a starter, one of their better pass rushers, although a
[12:18] Speaker 1: little inconsistent certainly against the run, but he's gotten a
[12:21] Speaker 1: lot of sacks in his career as a defensive tackle,
[12:23] Speaker 1: is feared to have a torn ACL. This is a
[12:27] Speaker 1: thin defensive line. I did Mina Kaimes's podcast this week.
[12:32] Speaker 1: Check it out. It's the preview of the NFC South.
[12:34] Speaker 1: We'll talk about the NFC South and an upcoming NFL
[12:37] Speaker 1: Daily Show. But one of the things I talked about
[12:39] Speaker 1: Shook was how man, I don't think this defensive line
[12:42] Speaker 1: has enough juice. As much as I like Chase Young
[12:46] Speaker 1: and Cam Jordan is back there, if you look at
[12:49] Speaker 1: the interior the edge, they are really asking the secondary
[12:54] Speaker 1: to kind of prevent big plays because I don't think
[12:57] Speaker 1: they're going to have much of a pass rush. And
[12:59] Speaker 1: now you lose for the season maybe your biggest breakout
[13:04] Speaker 1: potential young player, a fourth year guy who's had some
[13:07] Speaker 1: production that it's a very painful injury I think for
[13:09] Speaker 1: this team.
[13:10] Speaker 3: Yeah, former first round pick and Percy not your traditional
[13:14] Speaker 3: down lineman in just the way that he wins. And look,
[13:18] Speaker 3: when you build a team, it's difficult to fill out
[13:20] Speaker 3: all three levels of a defense with depth, and you're
[13:24] Speaker 3: inevitably going to have some sort of weakness in one
[13:26] Speaker 3: place or another and you hope that you can get by
[13:27] Speaker 3: without you know, losing one of your key guys. This
[13:30] Speaker 3: is a key guy. This is like behind him on
[13:32] Speaker 3: the depth depth chart right now is John Ridgway, who's
[13:34] Speaker 3: spent a couple years in Washington, last couple of years
[13:36] Speaker 3: in New Orleans. There is a lack of depth here.
[13:38] Speaker 3: Tyree Wilson is also existing on this depth chart, former
[13:42] Speaker 3: high pick that's never really delivered, right, So you wonder
[13:46] Speaker 3: if maybe they're going to be hitting the free agent
[13:49] Speaker 3: market and checking on some veterans who might be available
[13:51] Speaker 3: to fill anything. Yeah, I think there's a guy who
[13:55] Speaker 3: tends to sign really late in the process pretty much
[13:58] Speaker 3: annually for high pick. He's out there.
[14:03] Speaker 2: Who are you talking about Clowney?
[14:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he's visiting the Browns today and they're thinking
[14:08] Speaker 1: about it too. He's spoiled an exciting Brown section coming up.
[14:14] Speaker 1: But first I'll just run through the other bigger injuries.
[14:16] Speaker 1: On the first day of training camp, we learned that
[14:19] Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave, who is tight end two for the Packers,
[14:22] Speaker 1: has a neck injury. Sounds serious, which most neck injuries are.
[14:26] Speaker 1: The way Matt Laffler talked about Luke Musk's Grave, who
[14:28] Speaker 1: plays a lot for the Packers, this could be a while,
[14:31] Speaker 1: so best wishes to him that that's always really scary.
[14:35] Speaker 1: My guy from two Lane by way of Tennessee, Chris
[14:38] Speaker 1: Brazl of the Panthers, is out with a torn elcl
[14:41] Speaker 1: that's usually about an eight week injury for the Panthers.
[14:44] Speaker 1: That hurts their receiver depth. We've been talking about they're
[14:48] Speaker 1: quite thin. They've had a really injury plagued week and
[14:51] Speaker 1: a half now, very disappointing for them. He's a rookie
[14:54] Speaker 1: they wanted to contribute. And then Shamar Stewart, who is
[14:57] Speaker 1: an edge for the Bengals, their first round pick from
[15:00] Speaker 1: a year ago, was going to be part of a rotation,
[15:03] Speaker 1: potential starter, although I didn't think he was going to
[15:06] Speaker 1: be carted off the field with what appeared to be
[15:09] Speaker 1: a nasty injury. So some teams losing spots at positions
[15:13] Speaker 1: that I already thought with relatively thin Let's pivot to
[15:16] Speaker 1: your Browns. They gave out some big contracts even before
[15:20] Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney hit the scene. We don't know if he's
[15:22] Speaker 1: going to sign for sure yet. Denzel Ward two years,
[15:25] Speaker 1: sixty two million grant, Delpit their safety three years, forty
[15:29] Speaker 1: eight million dollars. What do you think about the Browns
[15:32] Speaker 1: investing long term in these guys in the secondary.
[15:35] Speaker 3: Well, the talk after the Miles Garrett trade is this
[15:38] Speaker 3: the start of the fire sale? Is Denzel Ward going
[15:40] Speaker 3: to be next on the trade block? And they quickly
[15:43] Speaker 3: denied that at the time, and then they back it
[15:45] Speaker 3: up with the dollars by extending Denzel Ward, making him
[15:48] Speaker 3: the highest paid corner for the second time in his career.
[15:52] Speaker 3: A deserved payday for Denzel in a corner market that
[15:55] Speaker 3: tends to reset itself annually. Probably the last time that
[15:59] Speaker 3: he had is in big time. He's a local product.
[16:01] Speaker 3: It makes all the sense in the world. Grant Delpit meanwhile,
[16:04] Speaker 3: getting a deal that what's that pay him an average
[16:06] Speaker 3: of what nineteen in the year.
[16:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, three for eight on what the extension is.
[16:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, so that'd be it's top ten money. That lands
[16:16] Speaker 3: along the likes of Jesse Bates, David McKinney, a little
[16:19] Speaker 3: bit behind Budda Baker and Trevon merrig. I mean, he's
[16:23] Speaker 3: been a decent safety for them. He's a former second
[16:27] Speaker 3: round pick who came in with pretty high expectation. He
[16:29] Speaker 3: dealt an injury early in his career. He's been pretty
[16:31] Speaker 3: productive statistically, but he's never really taken that next step.
[16:35] Speaker 3: But if you're going to look, you save a lot
[16:38] Speaker 3: of money by moving on from Miles Garrett. If you're
[16:40] Speaker 3: going to redistribute that wealth among your other key defenders,
[16:43] Speaker 3: you start with Denzel Ward, and then you go over
[16:45] Speaker 3: to safety with Grant Delput who plays opposite Ronnie Hickman.
[16:48] Speaker 3: And I'm sure you're going to see Emmanuel McNeil Warren
[16:50] Speaker 3: take over in that spot before long. So it makes
[16:52] Speaker 3: sense the way that they're distributing their money right now. Defensively,
[16:56] Speaker 3: they have a lot of young talent that's on rookie contracts,
[16:58] Speaker 3: Jared Versus, Mason Graham, Carson Questioner among them, so you
[17:01] Speaker 3: can afford to do this now. I don't really know
[17:04] Speaker 3: if the money necessarily matches the productivity, if he's a
[17:06] Speaker 3: little bit more than what he's produced the rate he's
[17:10] Speaker 3: produced at, but good for him. Look, anytime somebody gets paid,
[17:13] Speaker 3: he wants to pay in their key part of the defense.
[17:15] Speaker 2: Go for it.
[17:15] Speaker 3: That's fine.
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[17:29] Speaker 1: Shook when he started to talk about Grant Delta. That
[17:32] Speaker 1: to me said more than him talking about the contract.
[17:36] Speaker 1: I don't know how these contracts age. I have a
[17:39] Speaker 1: question about Denzil Ward quickly. I don't want to spend
[17:41] Speaker 1: too much time.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Is he that good the show?
[17:44] Speaker 3: Friend of the show, Friend of the show, Denzel Ward?
[17:46] Speaker 2: Is he that good?
[17:46] Speaker 1: I sometimes want like he gets talked about like one
[17:48] Speaker 1: of the best cornerbacks, and maybe I'm missing something. I
[17:51] Speaker 1: also want to see the details on this. It could
[17:53] Speaker 1: just be a big one year raise and there's not
[17:55] Speaker 1: that much guaranteed money into twenty seven, which would make
[17:58] Speaker 1: a lot of sense for me. I haven't seen all
[18:00] Speaker 1: the guaranteed money, and so the devil's in the details
[18:03] Speaker 1: sometimes with these.
[18:03] Speaker 2: But do you think he's that good?
[18:05] Speaker 3: I think he's a blanket corner who has had some
[18:08] Speaker 3: concussion issues throughout his career, which has robbed him of
[18:11] Speaker 3: some opportunities to play. I think he is a top
[18:15] Speaker 3: tier corner, but I wouldn't necessarily call him quite an
[18:18] Speaker 3: elite elite corner. But we're also in this weird period
[18:21] Speaker 3: right now where like, if you look at the cornerback salaries,
[18:24] Speaker 3: McDuffie's a top it, Sauce garter behind it, Derek Stingley, J. C. Horn,
[18:27] Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey, there's kind of room to justify moving him
[18:32] Speaker 3: to the top of that group because going on at
[18:34] Speaker 3: that point right now, where we just have that absolute
[18:36] Speaker 3: pats Er Tans, the absolute elite lockdown corner right He's
[18:39] Speaker 3: sixth in this list.
[18:40] Speaker 1: So I have a hard time believing like Denzel Ward
[18:43] Speaker 1: is worth as much as like a thirty million dollar
[18:45] Speaker 1: edge out there. These cornerbacks are getting paid, But I
[18:48] Speaker 1: get they have money to spend again, Yeah, so it's fair,
[18:50] Speaker 1: and they might spend it on Jadavian Clowney. By the
[18:53] Speaker 1: time you listen to this, he is visiting the team.
[18:56] Speaker 1: I also thought it was a notewhere the Harald Fan
[18:57] Speaker 1: in their second year tight end to his really good
[19:00] Speaker 1: as a rookie, revealed that he had groin surgery, which
[19:02] Speaker 1: the team had not revealed previously. But he was a
[19:05] Speaker 1: full go for first day of practice. So ultimately he
[19:08] Speaker 1: is back also at Browns, and I jumped in this
[19:10] Speaker 1: quick on Harold fannin release folks who expect him and
[19:16] Speaker 1: I could be wrong weeks months from now, folks who
[19:18] Speaker 1: expect him to take this massive leap forward, I would
[19:21] Speaker 1: temper your expectations because this is he's now tight end
[19:24] Speaker 1: one in a group that had David A.
[19:26] Speaker 3: Joeguin it last year. Different style of tight end. I
[19:29] Speaker 3: think he's going to be a key part of this offense.
[19:30] Speaker 3: But I just I want to temper the expectations of
[19:33] Speaker 3: them because I'm hearing it a lot, and I just
[19:35] Speaker 3: want you guys to get a little more realistic.
[19:36] Speaker 1: Well, especially in fantasy, where they're going to run the
[19:39] Speaker 1: ball a lot, where their quarterbacks are lackluster, and where
[19:44] Speaker 1: they're going to spread the ball out around like you're
[19:46] Speaker 1: going to hear it on our AFC North preview.
[19:48] Speaker 2: But they got to figure out that order.
[19:51] Speaker 1: They have actually four or five guys that can play
[19:53] Speaker 1: play some football, but it's a lot of mouse to feed.
[19:56] Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson struggling to feed mouse in terms of connecting
[20:00] Speaker 1: with his receivers. Picked off on back to back throws
[20:03] Speaker 1: on the first day trading camp.
[20:04] Speaker 2: You don't want that.
[20:05] Speaker 1: Vitavea is another guy holding in. Should have mentioned him.
[20:09] Speaker 1: We talked about his trade request, but he is not
[20:11] Speaker 1: practicing until he gets that gap or until they listen
[20:16] Speaker 1: to him and trade him. But they're calling him up.
[20:19] Speaker 1: They're calling it a back injury, a quote unquote back injury.
[20:22] Speaker 1: Tristan Wurfs though their left tackle is out right now
[20:24] Speaker 1: with the hamstring injury. A little more concerning Malik Neighbors
[20:27] Speaker 1: of the Giants, I mentioned not being on pup list
[20:30] Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's fully back. When Joe Shane the GM
[20:32] Speaker 1: talked on Wednesday, he mentioned, you know, Molik Neighbors is cutting,
[20:36] Speaker 1: he's doing individual drills. We will let his body kind
[20:40] Speaker 1: of dictate how this rehab goes. Doesn't mean he's gonna
[20:46] Speaker 1: be ready for Week one. Joe Shane was not, you know,
[20:48] Speaker 1: promising that by any means. So just just blow your
[20:52] Speaker 1: role a little bit. Fantasy football players out there, let's
[20:55] Speaker 1: go to Jerry Jones. I wanted to play you this
[20:56] Speaker 1: clip Nick Shook about him him talking about possibly shaking
[21:04] Speaker 1: up the team a little bit. It's almost like Jerry
[21:06] Speaker 1: doesn't like the lack of attention on the Cowboys and
[21:09] Speaker 1: he wants them.
[21:09] Speaker 6: Candidly, I'd be very interested. I'd give up future to
[21:13] Speaker 6: add substive to where we are today as to a player,
[21:17] Speaker 6: to give you an idea about what I invest something
[21:22] Speaker 6: substantive to get the right kind of deal to improve
[21:26] Speaker 6: us opening day. I would I feel that good about
[21:29] Speaker 6: this thing this year?
[21:30] Speaker 3: Conversations that are ongoing, or is that something Hey, let's
[21:33] Speaker 3: look at the first two weeks of camp and then
[21:35] Speaker 3: address to see if you want to put something.
[21:36] Speaker 6: Else talk to I talked to.
[21:39] Speaker 3: Yesterday.
[21:40] Speaker 6: I talked about a situation yesterday with another team and
[21:43] Speaker 6: another owner.
[21:45] Speaker 1: Jane Slater also had a question as part of this
[21:49] Speaker 1: back and forth where she literally asked if Max Crosby
[21:54] Speaker 1: might be someone that they would think about circling back to,
[21:58] Speaker 1: and for once, Jones was just silent. He had no
[22:03] Speaker 1: idea how to answer the question. And she said, like,
[22:09] Speaker 1: is that something that you just like kind of closed
[22:11] Speaker 1: the book on and he and he said, well, we didn't.
[22:14] Speaker 2: We didn't close the book on that.
[22:17] Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you didn't close the book
[22:19] Speaker 1: on that. That's pretty interesting. And then he went into
[22:22] Speaker 1: this long spiel about we can't tamper. He's on another team.
[22:25] Speaker 1: This is literally tampering. As I'm talking right now, I'm tampering.
[22:30] Speaker 1: I found that combination of answers quite interesting, and I
[22:35] Speaker 1: think I would specifically relates to Max Crosby because he
[22:37] Speaker 1: talked about he would only do it for a substantive movie.
[22:41] Speaker 1: They're not looking to, you know, fix around the edges,
[22:43] Speaker 1: but they might take a big swing.
[22:45] Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so this is this is a rare offseason
[22:49] Speaker 3: in which the Cowboys have not spent a lot of
[22:51] Speaker 3: time in the news cycle. They almost always dominate the
[22:54] Speaker 3: news cycle for one reason or another. The George Pickens
[22:57] Speaker 3: franchise tag and Flatley saying they're not going to any
[23:00] Speaker 3: an extension, he's gonna play on the tack and him
[23:01] Speaker 3: essentially agreeing and showing up for off these and activities
[23:04] Speaker 3: really took away any opportunity for us to you know,
[23:07] Speaker 3: circle the drain on the Cowboys or whatever you might
[23:10] Speaker 3: want to do it. But I love the idea of
[23:15] Speaker 3: entertaining a Max Crosby trade to get that news cycle
[23:17] Speaker 3: and that machine fired up again. You know, prime the
[23:20] Speaker 3: machine a couple of times, press that button, pull started.
[23:23] Speaker 3: But here's a better realistic opportunity. Okay, you take a
[23:27] Speaker 3: look at their death chart real quick. They're a little
[23:29] Speaker 3: thin defensively in one specific spot. I think they should
[23:33] Speaker 3: pick up the phone on Vitavea.
[23:35] Speaker 1: Oh that would be weird that you like, you trade
[23:38] Speaker 1: for Quinn Williams, then you trade away osi Osa, think
[23:41] Speaker 1: you do it, then you trade for Vienavea. It's just
[23:43] Speaker 1: like they're all over the place. But yes, he would
[23:45] Speaker 1: help them. They are a little thin next to Quinn Williams.
[23:50] Speaker 1: Why not guess it might pay Quinn Williams. Again, very
[23:54] Speaker 1: interesting back and forth for a team that everyone says
[23:56] Speaker 1: gets all the attention in the world. I was surprised
[23:58] Speaker 1: this didn't get more attention because Jerry was really like
[24:02] Speaker 1: hamanahamanahamana when she asked him about Mass Crosby, and I
[24:06] Speaker 1: was like, oh, is this a thing? I didn't even consider.
[24:08] Speaker 1: Max Crosby could still get traded. That would be crazy.
[24:11] Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak did confirm that Max Crosby is ready to go.
[24:15] Speaker 1: He's taken first team reps. He's at training camp. So
[24:18] Speaker 1: Max Crosby, you know, despite the injury that the Ravens
[24:21] Speaker 1: were worried about long term, in the short term, he's practicing.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Is he available, We'll find out. Brian Schottenheimer also broke
[24:28] Speaker 1: a little bit of news to start camp, saying that
[24:31] Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, their longtime guard, one of the best in
[24:33] Speaker 1: the league, paid highly, and one of your favorite interior players,
[24:38] Speaker 1: is another guard on that team, Tyler Booker. The two
[24:40] Speaker 1: Tylers are cross training. They're having Tyler Smith getting some
[24:44] Speaker 1: work at left tackle and your boy, Tyler Booker at center.
[24:49] Speaker 1: The fact that he volunteered this. I'm not even sure
[24:52] Speaker 1: if it was asked, but either way, he volunteered it
[24:55] Speaker 1: before they even got on the field. That training camp
[24:58] Speaker 1: is compelling to me. There they're moving things around and
[25:01] Speaker 1: like seeing what the best offensive line could be. This
[25:03] Speaker 1: is maybe only for offensive line nerds, but I find
[25:05] Speaker 1: it interesting two pretty premium players for them maybe changing positions.
[25:10] Speaker 3: I think there's always some value in cross training, especially
[25:12] Speaker 3: because most starting fives don't make it throw full season
[25:15] Speaker 3: healthy and together. I also think this is a sign
[25:17] Speaker 3: that they're pushing Tyler Guyton at left tackle and trying
[25:21] Speaker 3: to light a little bit of a fire under him
[25:22] Speaker 3: as they try to, you know, bolster this offensive line,
[25:25] Speaker 3: make it, make sure they're as good as possible. But
[25:27] Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of both.
[25:29] Speaker 1: Of this Tyler and Tyler crime. You're saying right now,
[25:32] Speaker 1: there's three Tyler's up there. It's inevitable. It's tough when
[25:37] Speaker 1: when you've got that Tyler, you know, simbaiosis they actually
[25:42] Speaker 1: use the Tylers in terms of their their schedule release remember,
[25:45] Speaker 1: and then you have one Tyler going against another.
[25:47] Speaker 2: You hate it, You hate to see it.
[25:49] Speaker 3: There's a town named Tyler in Texas.
[25:52] Speaker 1: It's like when it's like when Serena and Venus had
[25:54] Speaker 1: to play each other in the Grand same final, and
[25:56] Speaker 1: that's hard for everyone.
[25:57] Speaker 2: You don't you don't want to see it.
[25:58] Speaker 1: Wrapping up the show, and thank you Shook for joining
[26:01] Speaker 1: us on this first news only camp show. My two
[26:05] Speaker 1: more of these, let us know what you think. Just
[26:07] Speaker 1: some nuggets. Jordan James, the backup running back for the
[26:10] Speaker 1: forty nine ers, fractured his rib, so he'll be out
[26:13] Speaker 1: for a little while. Opens the door for their draft
[26:15] Speaker 1: pick Kaylin Black to play a little Are you surprised,
[26:18] Speaker 1: Shook that Ricky Pearsall has concerning knee swelling after a
[26:22] Speaker 1: few days of camp.
[26:24] Speaker 3: No, and he said it was linked to the issue
[26:26] Speaker 3: that he dealt with last year. And I'm not surprised.
[26:28] Speaker 3: I'm sad because I just wanted to be fully healthy.
[26:32] Speaker 3: He was one of my players that I listed to
[26:34] Speaker 3: have to be better in twenty twenty six than they
[26:36] Speaker 3: were in twenty twenty five, because I thought, all right,
[26:38] Speaker 3: off season, get healthy. Mike Evan shows up, That attracts
[26:41] Speaker 3: a bit of attention away from you, opens up more opportunities.
[26:43] Speaker 3: Oh no, we have another health issue right away, healthy.
[26:47] Speaker 2: Right away, like he was one of the guys to
[26:49] Speaker 2: watch Mike.
[26:50] Speaker 3: Crazy, Am I crazy? Are we dealing with more health
[26:52] Speaker 3: issues at the start of camp this year than we
[26:54] Speaker 3: usually do?
[26:55] Speaker 1: Feels like a lot, and it's a lot for him specifically,
[26:59] Speaker 1: I let my self get excited the first three days
[27:01] Speaker 1: of camp. They're like, oh, Pearceall's clearly why, you know,
[27:03] Speaker 1: just looking awesome.
[27:04] Speaker 2: And he always looks awesome when he plays. That's not
[27:06] Speaker 2: the problem.
[27:07] Speaker 1: He just hasn't been able to stay healthy up by
[27:09] Speaker 1: that DeShawn dribbling stock take Dell not on the pup
[27:15] Speaker 1: list to start camp.
[27:15] Speaker 2: There's some good news for the Texans.
[27:17] Speaker 1: Love that Jalen Noel, who was a second round pick
[27:20] Speaker 1: for them a year ago, is out a couple of
[27:22] Speaker 1: weeks with an injury. He's on the pup list. But
[27:25] Speaker 1: they do have some depth that wide receiver Jonathan Grenard,
[27:28] Speaker 1: who the Eagles traded for is also on pup I
[27:32] Speaker 1: saw for the Chiefs Rashi Rice and Lagarious Sneed. Rashi
[27:35] Speaker 1: Rice at receiver and Lagarius Sneed, who's trying to, you know,
[27:38] Speaker 1: revive his career at cornerback. Right now, they're pretty limited
[27:41] Speaker 1: that's especially concerning for Rashi Rice. But it's early in camp.
[27:44] Speaker 1: They're just they're just ramping up, just like we are. Shook,
[27:48] Speaker 1: that's it, Yeah, just ramping up.
[27:50] Speaker 3: Indeed, I am so excited to hear Tank Dell and okay,
[27:54] Speaker 3: that's not on the pup. I am so excited to
[27:55] Speaker 3: see him wearing a helmet at camp. Saw clip of
[27:57] Speaker 3: him trotting out there today and this offense. Not to
[28:00] Speaker 3: put too much pressure on one player, but the fate
[28:04] Speaker 3: of the Texans passing game will rest heavily on Tank Dell. Oh,
[28:08] Speaker 3: if he can be healthy. I'm just saying that, not
[28:10] Speaker 3: that he's going to be the ultimate producer, but his
[28:12] Speaker 3: presence will matter to the passing game more than anybody else,
[28:15] Speaker 3: including Nico Collins. Because Tank Dell's on the field, Nico
[28:18] Speaker 3: Collins also out there, it's got more options.
[28:22] Speaker 1: It's a bold statement, and I hope you're right because
[28:25] Speaker 1: it hurt me that injury he had against the Chiefs
[28:28] Speaker 1: in a great game. Didn't hurt doing this. Look, if
[28:32] Speaker 1: you are watching us, you see that shook. He's wearing
[28:35] Speaker 1: that Pro Football Hall of Fame shirt. He's going to
[28:37] Speaker 1: be in Canton next week. He's going to be on
[28:38] Speaker 1: the show of course next week too. That's it for
[28:40] Speaker 1: the News Show. Next in your feed our AFC North
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