# Most Underrated Player For Every AFC Team

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 19 May 2026, 56 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon give you the most underrated player for every AFC team. First, the guys get you caught up on the news including Jacoby Brissett's status with the Cardinals and Minnesota hosting the 2028 NFL Draft. Then, find out why Gregg and Patrick think players like Nick Herbig, C.J. Stroud, Trey Hendrickson, Jordan Phillips and more are the most underrated players on their respective teams. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we will not be making
[0:07] Speaker 1: jokes about Jakobe Brissett's hold out. I'm Greg Rosenthal. It's voluntary.
[0:12] Speaker 1: You know it's not voluntary. What's that Greg attendance in
[0:16] Speaker 1: the Chris Wesley podcast studio on this Tuesday, Patrick committed
[0:20] Speaker 1: to it.
[0:22] Speaker 2: I made him come, and I'm making him drop talk
[0:25] Speaker 2: about one underrated player.
[0:28] Speaker 1: On a every AFC team. I was hoping nobody noticed it.
[0:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't help. I am glad to be here
[0:35] Speaker 3: with you, Greg, to celebrate this moment together. And when
[0:40] Speaker 3: I first got the assignment, I'm like, One, I get
[0:42] Speaker 3: to do the podcast again, which is always great for me. Two,
[0:46] Speaker 3: I get to celebrate some guys who are the official
[0:50] Speaker 3: Raiders have a little bit low right.
[0:52] Speaker 2: It's a it's a tricky exercise.
[0:54] Speaker 1: You got to figure out how highly is the person
[0:57] Speaker 1: rated before you react whether they make the list. But
[1:01] Speaker 1: before that, we'll do a little bit of news, not
[1:03] Speaker 1: a ton. But I mentioned to Koby Brissett, so we
[1:05] Speaker 1: might as well just start there. He's not at the
[1:07] Speaker 1: start of OTAs despite being told. And this is a
[1:11] Speaker 1: new development in the story. Just on Tuesday, according to
[1:15] Speaker 1: ESPN that he is the presumptive starter that the plan
[1:20] Speaker 1: is to start Jacoby Brissett, but he's not there working out.
[1:24] Speaker 1: And one thing I've just noticed online I'm still too
[1:28] Speaker 1: Online a lot of people like, oh, who do you
[1:32] Speaker 1: think you are? Bridge quarterbacks now like getting too big
[1:35] Speaker 1: for their bridges and skipping like voluntary work.
[1:38] Speaker 3: Calm down, I'm going to just drop some ads there,
[1:41] Speaker 3: because who are the people saying this still jokes? Like
[1:44] Speaker 3: how many times? How many times have they set behind
[1:46] Speaker 3: somebody that they.
[1:48] Speaker 1: Famously to you and to the people behind the US.
[1:51] Speaker 1: Forgot my computer today, so I can't look up exactly
[1:54] Speaker 1: where I saw it, but I've just seen it. Calm down, people, Look,
[1:57] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers or Malik Willis are the two lowest paid
[2:02] Speaker 1: week one starting quarterbacks on a veteran contract. They're making
[2:05] Speaker 1: around twenty two to twenty three million. Jacoby is set
[2:08] Speaker 1: for about five. I think it's perfectly reasonable for him
[2:11] Speaker 1: to negotiate, Yeah, something considerably more than five. If I
[2:14] Speaker 1: had to guess, it's gonna be like twelve. I think
[2:17] Speaker 1: that's about where where it'll But.
[2:19] Speaker 3: Why even entertain the exercise? Just paye to Kobe? Right?
[2:23] Speaker 2: Well, they are they're figuring it out. But it's the card.
[2:26] Speaker 3: There's no figuring it out the garden like all across
[2:29] Speaker 3: the world, there's all this Well, we have to have
[2:31] Speaker 3: these conversations. You know, at the proper time, you would
[2:33] Speaker 3: like to pay that to the end of it as
[2:34] Speaker 3: little as possible. Yeah, and right now is not the
[2:37] Speaker 3: time that's conducive to do that.
[2:39] Speaker 1: Right Also, Micha Lafleur spoke on it and he said, look,
[2:43] Speaker 1: Jacoby's been in a million offices, he's been in this offense.
[2:46] Speaker 2: He's not going to fall behind it. It's not a
[2:48] Speaker 2: big deal.
[2:48] Speaker 1: They're in shorts, it's very early, but they are on
[2:52] Speaker 1: the field. The bigger news to me was that they
[2:54] Speaker 1: have told him that he is the presumptive starter. It's
[2:57] Speaker 1: not going to be Gardner Minshew. If we're to believe
[2:59] Speaker 1: that report, and it's not going to be God, yeah,
[3:03] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[3:05] Speaker 3: Or deity of choice.
[3:06] Speaker 1: To everybody listening, they're talking a lot about I third
[3:10] Speaker 1: round pick, Carson Beck. I mean, if I had to guess,
[3:13] Speaker 1: Carson Beck will start a game this year. Right before
[3:16] Speaker 1: we started taping, got the news that Rashi Rice is
[3:22] Speaker 1: currently in jail after violating his probation for a marijuana
[3:31] Speaker 1: test that came up positive. Initially reported by ks HB
[3:37] Speaker 1: and by Matt Foster, but a couple other places have it.
[3:41] Speaker 2: It's a public report, so it's a rule.
[3:45] Speaker 1: I believe it's in Texas that you get thirty days
[3:48] Speaker 1: for violating your probation. According to the document that we saw,
[3:52] Speaker 1: that would have him getting out in mid June, around
[3:57] Speaker 1: the end of the Ota CS And unfortunately for Rice,
[4:02] Speaker 1: it does just continue a series of off field stories
[4:09] Speaker 1: where we're talking about, you know, what Rice is doing
[4:11] Speaker 1: and how that impacts them in terms of a lot
[4:14] Speaker 1: and in this case, it's going to impact them in
[4:15] Speaker 1: terms of missing the off season program before training camp.
[4:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, the obviously the priority is going to be the
[4:20] Speaker 3: hit and run and how you approach that situation in
[4:24] Speaker 3: terms of putting people in harm's way. You know, this
[4:28] Speaker 3: particular test which is mandatory as a part of Texas
[4:32] Speaker 3: probation for a substance that you know, in a lot
[4:35] Speaker 3: of places it's perfectly legal and m and you know
[4:38] Speaker 3: a lot of professionals indicate that it hasn't necessarily harmed
[4:41] Speaker 3: people to the extent that the substances that Rashi Rice
[4:45] Speaker 3: was on during the accident allegedly, you know, is up
[4:49] Speaker 3: to the person listening.
[4:50] Speaker 1: And the NFL had already said that Rice wasn't going
[4:54] Speaker 1: to get suspended going into this season any further based
[4:58] Speaker 1: on everything that's happened.
[5:00] Speaker 2: In theory, they could revisit that.
[5:03] Speaker 1: You know, the NFL has taken an easier stance on
[5:06] Speaker 1: marijuana testing, but whether they view this as a recurring
[5:10] Speaker 1: thing with Rice, and then more importantly in terms of
[5:14] Speaker 1: his career, it's just a big deal that he needs
[5:16] Speaker 1: to prove himself to be a reliable professional.
[5:21] Speaker 2: For the Chiefs. It's a big season for him.
[5:23] Speaker 1: He's entering his fourth year and he's gonna have a
[5:25] Speaker 1: huge role on this team. It's one of the things
[5:27] Speaker 1: that really stands out when you go through all the
[5:29] Speaker 1: depth charts that they are one of the thinnest teams
[5:31] Speaker 1: in the league at wide receiver. You got Taekwon Thornton
[5:34] Speaker 1: at three and I don't even know at four.
[5:37] Speaker 2: Rice is the clear one.
[5:38] Speaker 1: And so it's an important season for him just as
[5:41] Speaker 1: a professional and as it relates to the Chiefs just
[5:44] Speaker 1: playing well on offense. So now you want to start it,
[5:47] Speaker 1: let's go to an injury that we learned about the
[5:50] Speaker 1: Panthers lost to Shan Turk Wharton. He's going by Turk
[5:54] Speaker 1: these days as a nickname. He has underwent next surgery.
[5:59] Speaker 1: If you remember, he was relatively highly ranked on my
[6:02] Speaker 1: Top one to one free agency last year, coming off
[6:05] Speaker 1: a nice Super Bowl run with the Chiefs, where I
[6:08] Speaker 1: thought he played his best in the playoffs, had nok
[6:10] Speaker 1: season with the Panthers.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Not great, but not terrible.
[6:13] Speaker 1: I think he's making around fourteen fifteen million dollars a year.
[6:16] Speaker 1: They're reporting from Joe Personi at the Athletic indicates he
[6:20] Speaker 1: won't miss the entire season, which implies.
[6:24] Speaker 3: A significant portion of the seasons.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you hear next surgery, you're obviously very
[6:30] Speaker 1: worried about them. What does that make you think about this?
[6:33] Speaker 1: This Panthers defense and where they're at.
[6:35] Speaker 3: Well, the majority of it, especially free agency additions you
[6:39] Speaker 3: think about on the defensive side, and so this can
[6:41] Speaker 3: kind of it takes away from it a little bit
[6:44] Speaker 3: in totality, obviously the bigger pieces being in the edge
[6:48] Speaker 3: and a middle linebacker. But it hurts, it hurts on
[6:51] Speaker 3: the spot where they've needed depth and hopefully, you know,
[6:55] Speaker 3: we no idea on the similarities with regards to the
[6:58] Speaker 3: neck injury. But we saw Nomini man be game this
[7:01] Speaker 3: entire season. You know, long way back, there were extensive
[7:04] Speaker 3: questions about whether or not he would be back. Hopefully
[7:08] Speaker 3: considering the timing, this is centering. You know, Wharton's not
[7:12] Speaker 3: just his football activity but post football activities.
[7:15] Speaker 1: Well, my immediate thought, which was incorrect, was oh, this
[7:18] Speaker 1: maybe helps to explain the Lee Hunter pick. He was
[7:20] Speaker 1: the defensive tackle that they took little different styles, but
[7:23] Speaker 1: same position. Wharton a little bit more of an upfield
[7:27] Speaker 1: kind of pass rusher. Okay, maybe they knew about it.
[7:30] Speaker 1: That was not the case. He reported to the team
[7:33] Speaker 1: something that happened with his neck and sore in is
[7:35] Speaker 1: just a week and a half ago, so they say
[7:37] Speaker 1: that was happenstance. I was a position they wanted to
[7:40] Speaker 1: get deeper at, regardless, and so they do have that
[7:43] Speaker 1: that second round pick Lee Hunter in the mix. They
[7:46] Speaker 1: have Bobby Brown, who's a veteran who's probably coming off
[7:49] Speaker 1: the bench. You have Derek Brown. It is one of
[7:51] Speaker 1: the stronger positions on their team. So just hope for
[7:55] Speaker 1: for Wharton that that he can get better. Finally, in
[7:58] Speaker 1: the news Minnesota, we're going back to Minnesota as a league.
[8:03] Speaker 2: The super Bowl underrated.
[8:04] Speaker 1: People really talk trash about that super Bowl because it
[8:07] Speaker 1: was so cold that weekend especially, it was like negative
[8:11] Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. The wind shows like minus twenty on Super
[8:15] Speaker 1: Bowl Day, It's snowed and kind of shut down a
[8:17] Speaker 1: bunch of activities that Friday Saturday. But I had a
[8:19] Speaker 1: good time going to the TJA Fridays and hanging out
[8:23] Speaker 1: Call of America and great fans there in a nice
[8:26] Speaker 1: city and now it's going to be a nice city
[8:28] Speaker 1: at a nicer time of year, though late April is
[8:31] Speaker 1: a little unpredictable.
[8:32] Speaker 3: And how great the people of you know, Minneapolis and
[8:36] Speaker 3: Saint Paul get a chance to show their community at
[8:40] Speaker 3: not like a time wherever it's like oh yeah, I can't,
[8:43] Speaker 3: I can't, I can't go there. They could say, hey,
[8:44] Speaker 3: look this is how we're living in part of the
[8:47] Speaker 3: time of the year.
[8:49] Speaker 1: Although as they as they are probably thinking right now,
[8:52] Speaker 1: I'd like to go check the temperatures, but I don't
[8:54] Speaker 1: have a computer of what late April was like this year,
[8:56] Speaker 1: because I mean they're not above a late a late
[8:58] Speaker 1: April like snow or the.
[9:00] Speaker 2: Thirties or it could be very nice.
[9:01] Speaker 1: But either way, they have some of the best fans
[9:04] Speaker 1: one of the most underrated cities in the league. So
[9:06] Speaker 1: let's give them in a Minnesota and Minneapolis especially and
[9:09] Speaker 1: I think pop.
[9:10] Speaker 3: We could use a little cold if it does get cold,
[9:12] Speaker 3: because like the long winded and excessively cringe draft introductions
[9:16] Speaker 3: by by you know, players and fans and former players
[9:20] Speaker 3: and other folks, maybe we could doll those back a
[9:22] Speaker 3: little bit. If it's colder, people would be less likely
[9:24] Speaker 3: to awkwardly stand there spouting nonsense for forty five minutes.
[9:28] Speaker 1: I will be there, well not there, but I will
[9:30] Speaker 1: be covering that draft here for NFL Daily in twenty
[9:33] Speaker 1: twenty eight. All right, we're to the segment we're going
[9:36] Speaker 1: to do one underrated player for every AFC team. Jordan
[9:40] Speaker 1: and I did this exercise a week ago. Jordan some
[9:46] Speaker 1: well deserved time off this week, and it's going to
[9:49] Speaker 1: be back and taking big swings next week.
[9:51] Speaker 2: Ooh, looking forward to that.
[9:53] Speaker 1: But we got Patrick here doing one underrated player for
[9:56] Speaker 1: every AFC team. We'll let Patrick do the honors. To
[9:59] Speaker 1: start off. You have the Bills.
[10:00] Speaker 3: I will go with Ed Oliver from the Buffalo Bills
[10:03] Speaker 3: at the Tormaniscus last year also had a bicep tear,
[10:05] Speaker 3: caused people to maybe forget about the type of impact
[10:08] Speaker 3: he can have on the football field. I will always
[10:10] Speaker 3: love and celebrate Ed Oliver because of he was one
[10:13] Speaker 3: of those guys where it was the well, I don't
[10:15] Speaker 3: know how much he really loves the game in the
[10:17] Speaker 3: draft because Major Applewhite tried to take a jacket off
[10:20] Speaker 3: of him on the sideline, and he, being a fully
[10:22] Speaker 3: grown man at that point, did not want that conversation
[10:26] Speaker 3: and so loved the game. Really translates to how much
[10:29] Speaker 3: appeasement do you have for the authority? Figures in twenty
[10:31] Speaker 3: twenty four, pass yards per play go up a half
[10:34] Speaker 3: a yard when he's off the field, pass yards per
[10:36] Speaker 3: attempt go up four tenths of a yard. And this
[10:41] Speaker 3: is an eighty two PFF last year eighty four on
[10:45] Speaker 3: Madden NFL twenty six. And so these agencies again tasked
[10:50] Speaker 3: with rating, I think they underrated him and they under
[10:53] Speaker 3: selling his ability.
[10:54] Speaker 2: Eighty two is really good, though, but eight.
[10:58] Speaker 3: And again this was a post Aaron Donald draft. Like
[11:01] Speaker 3: Aaron Donald's reckon the league. He comes into the league
[11:04] Speaker 3: and it's well, we have an undersized based on the
[11:07] Speaker 3: schematics of what you want in an interior defensive lineman
[11:11] Speaker 3: who deals with explosiveness in quickness, and so it's like, oh,
[11:17] Speaker 3: he's not strong. Mann has him been sixty four strength?
[11:19] Speaker 3: Greg sixty four is almost failing, And I think that
[11:25] Speaker 3: is underrating at Oliver strength at the point of attack.
[11:28] Speaker 3: And he is underrated.
[11:30] Speaker 1: I mean, if you compared him to an average human
[11:34] Speaker 1: and fifty it's crazy. You imagine if Vet Oliver was
[11:37] Speaker 1: here and we told him he's got a D in strength. No,
[11:41] Speaker 1: you really could see his value last year when he
[11:44] Speaker 1: got hurt. Unfortunately, they were just not the same defense
[11:48] Speaker 1: and he was playing some of his best ball. He
[11:50] Speaker 1: kind of occupies to me a similar spot to Greg
[11:54] Speaker 1: Rousseau on the Bills in league wide, where he is
[12:00] Speaker 1: one of the best players that like I think understandably
[12:02] Speaker 1: doesn't make the Pro Bowl. But it's just like just
[12:05] Speaker 1: below that level Pro Bowl. You know, I'm talking about
[12:07] Speaker 1: the initial people that make it. It's only a handful
[12:10] Speaker 1: of players at your position. Very very good player at Oliver,
[12:15] Speaker 1: and I think, like a lot of players at that
[12:17] Speaker 1: position has steadily gotten better each in every season. They
[12:20] Speaker 1: need a healthy season out of him and our Bills
[12:24] Speaker 1: fan who is recovering.
[12:26] Speaker 2: Well, you wouldn't have known that.
[12:27] Speaker 1: The Sabers lost a brutal overtime game last night by
[12:32] Speaker 1: Eric's disposition.
[12:33] Speaker 2: What was your note on at Oliver here? He writes
[12:35] Speaker 2: horses around Buffalo, like around the town.
[12:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, like regularly, like throughout the season, people will post like, oh,
[12:42] Speaker 4: there's Ed Oliver going by on horseback.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Like functionally or just for fun, or he goes and
[12:48] Speaker 2: horse guy.
[12:48] Speaker 4: He is a horse guy. Love that he preferred method
[12:51] Speaker 4: of transportation around town most of the season is like
[12:54] Speaker 4: regularly you'll see him. There goes at Oliver on a horse.
[12:57] Speaker 4: One of the benefits of living in Buffalo. You gotta
[12:59] Speaker 4: be wrong, I think throughout a horse, I mean, that's coorse,
[13:02] Speaker 4: that's crazy, that's fair.
[13:03] Speaker 1: I'm gonna go armand Membo jets and so with this
[13:09] Speaker 1: underrated tag, we're gonna have different levels of fame for
[13:12] Speaker 1: these players. I think Membo was pretty commonly recognized as
[13:17] Speaker 1: one of, if not the best rookie tackles in the league.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Where I am putting him as underrated is that, first
[13:25] Speaker 1: of all, he could have been in a world where
[13:27] Speaker 1: we voted for offensive linemen and felt confident enough in
[13:30] Speaker 1: our evaluation and had the time to look through all
[13:31] Speaker 1: the tape in a world where that happened, I think
[13:34] Speaker 1: it's a totally fair argument that he was the best
[13:36] Speaker 1: rookie offensively in the NFL. In fact, I should I
[13:40] Speaker 1: should have put my money where.
[13:41] Speaker 2: In your mouth is. But I'm part of the problem.
[13:43] Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily feel confident enough in it in my
[13:47] Speaker 1: drilling down. But this offseason, especially knowing I was picking
[13:50] Speaker 1: him for this role, watched them a little more, talk
[13:52] Speaker 1: to some people, and I just think his athleticism is crazy.
[13:58] Speaker 1: Like he gave up a lot of sacks, which I
[14:00] Speaker 1: think is the basic thing we're gonna look at. Unfortunately,
[14:03] Speaker 1: and so maybe that would have prevented him from winning
[14:05] Speaker 1: that Rookie of the Year. But if you look at
[14:07] Speaker 1: the overall QB hits he gave up and the overall
[14:10] Speaker 1: pressures he gave up very very low, he did get
[14:13] Speaker 1: beat cleanly, like a handful of times where he gave
[14:17] Speaker 1: up sacks, but he also was playing rookie. He was
[14:19] Speaker 1: also playing ahead of quarterbacks that were taking sacks on
[14:22] Speaker 1: like everything, also had some penalties, So in terms of
[14:25] Speaker 1: stats like wasn't incredible, but if you just watch him
[14:29] Speaker 1: his athleticism, he's everything that you want in a tackle.
[14:34] Speaker 1: And here's a stat for you. When they ran the
[14:36] Speaker 1: ball to the right side, the Jets averaged four point
[14:41] Speaker 1: six yards per attempt over right tackle where he's playing.
[14:44] Speaker 1: When they ran to the left side, same running back.
[14:47] Speaker 1: These are actually Breese Hall specific numbers. I even drilled
[14:50] Speaker 1: it down, so I was just like, let's get to
[14:53] Speaker 1: the best player. Three point two yards per carry to
[14:56] Speaker 1: the left, four point six to the right. And he
[14:59] Speaker 1: is one of those guys you don't need to be
[15:01] Speaker 1: a big tape head to watch him and be like, man,
[15:04] Speaker 1: that is impressive how he moved. Not saying he's like
[15:06] Speaker 1: a future Pinae Seel, but in terms of like right
[15:09] Speaker 1: tackles that have entered the league maybe as exciting as
[15:12] Speaker 1: high at ceilings since Pinasul.
[15:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jets could use those one point four yards
[15:15] Speaker 3: every single time Breese Hall it carries the ball. And
[15:18] Speaker 3: to have a guy, yeah, you take him in the
[15:20] Speaker 3: top ten, but he starts seventeen games and he plays
[15:23] Speaker 3: one of the offensive snaps and you're gonna be okay
[15:28] Speaker 3: with a few mistakes because when you have a guy
[15:30] Speaker 3: that's explosive. He's making plays that aren't on the board
[15:33] Speaker 3: to make for guys who can't reach and get to
[15:36] Speaker 3: those spots.
[15:36] Speaker 1: So I'm with you, and it's a tough position for
[15:39] Speaker 1: a rookie. I think if you, if you actually went
[15:41] Speaker 1: through who played and stayed healthy and played well, he's
[15:44] Speaker 1: probably a top to twelve you know, right, tackle already
[15:48] Speaker 1: top ten to twelve as a rookie. Maybe the hardest
[15:51] Speaker 1: position as a rookie that projects to making those Pro
[15:53] Speaker 1: Bowls that I was talking about maybe as early as
[15:56] Speaker 1: this year. All Right, you got the Patriots, and I'm
[15:58] Speaker 1: proud of myself for not having mentioned that the Jets,
[16:01] Speaker 1: you know, took Bamboo a few picks after Will Campbell
[16:04] Speaker 1: until now.
[16:05] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you can't be proud of yourself. Were you
[16:08] Speaker 3: proud because you were.
[16:09] Speaker 1: About but you didn't wash? Okay, Sorry, I'm making fun
[16:13] Speaker 1: of myself.
[16:14] Speaker 3: No, it's great, and I'm glad that I get passed
[16:16] Speaker 3: with talking about the New England Patriots on a podcast
[16:19] Speaker 3: with Greg Rosenthal because this player is underrated not just
[16:23] Speaker 3: by the folks in my opinion on PFF and MAD,
[16:26] Speaker 3: but also by the New England Patriots. Themselves because oh yeah,
[16:29] Speaker 3: Kayshawan Boody had a seventy one grade last season. According
[16:32] Speaker 3: to PFF on Madden, he has an eighty. I say
[16:34] Speaker 3: underrated because the people again who are tasked with rating
[16:37] Speaker 3: players are short of where they need to be. Only
[16:39] Speaker 3: one receiver had more yards on deep balls to the
[16:42] Speaker 3: sideline than Booty. That was Pickens. And how many more
[16:45] Speaker 3: yards did he have one? He had one more yard
[16:48] Speaker 3: on deep shots down the sideline, another raiding agency. Again,
[16:52] Speaker 3: the Patriots bring in Romeo Dops to replace Diggs. That's fine,
[16:55] Speaker 3: and I can definitely see a J. Brown coming in
[16:59] Speaker 3: as a substitute for protection issues which were the actual
[17:02] Speaker 3: problem for the New England Patriots down the stretch, especially
[17:06] Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl. And I am not saying that
[17:08] Speaker 3: he is AJ Brown, but the protection is a vastly
[17:12] Speaker 3: bigger issue than Booty, who is massive. Kaishan body is.
[17:17] Speaker 2: Booty is massive.
[17:20] Speaker 1: I think this is a perfect pick if he goes
[17:23] Speaker 1: to the Eagles. I think he could have an incredible season.
[17:27] Speaker 1: Some of those stats you just said about the deep
[17:30] Speaker 1: passes I think indicates how rare he is because there's
[17:34] Speaker 1: only so many ball winners really in the NFL. Yeah,
[17:37] Speaker 1: and he's a ball winner, and you would including against
[17:40] Speaker 1: a couple of times for the other one, right, Like
[17:44] Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't understand it. If it happens, then
[17:48] Speaker 1: it's even more underrated. They maybe don't win that game
[17:50] Speaker 1: against the Texans unless he can be Derek Stingley of
[17:53] Speaker 1: all people off the line and make an incredible one
[17:56] Speaker 1: handed catch. I remember when we recap that game, there
[18:01] Speaker 1: was only three long passes that Derek Stingley gave up
[18:05] Speaker 1: all season long or something like that, and it's like
[18:08] Speaker 1: Booty for two of them. I know his Booty was
[18:09] Speaker 1: that the first. I think it's an entire career in
[18:13] Speaker 1: terms of big.
[18:13] Speaker 3: Play multiple r K Shawn Booty and two of them
[18:16] Speaker 3: looked almost exactly the same.
[18:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got the Dolphins, and here I went with
[18:21] Speaker 1: someone that's truly under the radar, and that is Jordan Phillips,
[18:26] Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, Day three defensive tackle. One of
[18:32] Speaker 1: the youngest players in the entire NFL last year as
[18:36] Speaker 1: we tape here in mid May, still just twenty one
[18:39] Speaker 1: years old. He started sixteen games. He was one of
[18:45] Speaker 1: three defensive tackles that the Dolphins took last year. It
[18:50] Speaker 1: was Kenneth Grant in the first round? Is it Zeke Biggers?
[18:54] Speaker 1: I believe this is where I need my computer on
[18:57] Speaker 1: Day three as well, and he was the one that
[19:00] Speaker 1: they trusted to be out there on the field. He's already,
[19:03] Speaker 1: you know, almost a five hundred snap guy, and I
[19:07] Speaker 1: went and watched him. He's a big guy who when
[19:09] Speaker 1: he came into the league, the reputation is, okay, he's
[19:12] Speaker 1: going to play nose tackle, and he is known as
[19:15] Speaker 1: like a great run defender. But what happened was when
[19:18] Speaker 1: he went up against some of these smaller centers, and
[19:19] Speaker 1: these are guys who get paid a lot of money.
[19:21] Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury was one Tanner Bordolini who had a great
[19:24] Speaker 1: season for the Colts. He got past them with like
[19:28] Speaker 1: quickness and so if you watch his film for a
[19:30] Speaker 1: rookie twenty one year old defensive tackle, there is a
[19:34] Speaker 1: strength and quickness for his size which is massive that
[19:38] Speaker 1: not many people have. Like, I'm definitely taking him long
[19:41] Speaker 1: term over Kenneth Grant, who improved later in the season,
[19:44] Speaker 1: was their first round pick, but they told us what
[19:46] Speaker 1: they thought of him by putting him out there essentially
[19:49] Speaker 1: Week one and keeping him as a starter, not a
[19:52] Speaker 1: guy it's gotten a lot of pop, but someone I
[19:54] Speaker 1: think they feel pretty good about moving forward.
[19:56] Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips.
[19:57] Speaker 3: Whenever you can have somebody contribute very early in a rebuild.
[20:02] Speaker 3: He's also a seventy one rating on Madden, which and
[20:06] Speaker 3: again a lot of these things, a lot of it's
[20:09] Speaker 3: based on the awareness stat which is heavy, and you're
[20:11] Speaker 3: going to move that over as a guy progresses and
[20:14] Speaker 3: gets better at the game. But in and of itself,
[20:17] Speaker 3: that's underrated the potential for growth.
[20:21] Speaker 1: But even you know what a rookie defensive Day three
[20:24] Speaker 1: tackle getting seventy one on Madden. It's like a nice
[20:28] Speaker 1: little accomplishment. You want to know another accomplishment that he had,
[20:31] Speaker 1: What's that He was one of two different men named
[20:36] Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips to be drafted by the Dolphins in the
[20:39] Speaker 1: last ten years.
[20:39] Speaker 2: Pretty weird. I kind of forgot that.
[20:42] Speaker 1: The other Jordan Phillips, who then went to the Bills
[20:44] Speaker 1: down and the round, was drafted initially by the Miami Dolphins,
[20:48] Speaker 1: both defensive tackle. Yeah, same position. What are the odds?
[20:52] Speaker 1: This next one is spicy for this exercise, I thought
[20:56] Speaker 1: it was spicy.
[20:57] Speaker 2: It's the Ravens.
[20:59] Speaker 3: So now I feel even more. I'm like, this is
[21:04] Speaker 3: this is Shade's a FOUNTAINO.
[21:05] Speaker 1: Now, No, not at all, No.
[21:07] Speaker 3: It is. Trey Hendrickson had a fifty six run defense
[21:11] Speaker 3: grade last year according to PFF, where clearly the woebegone
[21:18] Speaker 3: Bengals suffered as a run defense from the presence of
[21:21] Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson. Based on that rating, fifty six will get
[21:25] Speaker 3: you held back a grade. People will make terminations about
[21:28] Speaker 3: your viability as a human participating in society. With fifty six,
[21:31] Speaker 3: the Bengals gave up a yard and a half more
[21:33] Speaker 3: per carry with Trey Hendrickson off the field. Last year,
[21:36] Speaker 3: they loaded the box more without Trey Hendrickson on the
[21:40] Speaker 3: field and behind the line of scrimmage. They got hit
[21:44] Speaker 3: behind the line of scrimmage more five percent more when
[21:47] Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson was on the field, and the explosive run
[21:49] Speaker 3: percentage was cut in half. Those numbers were an issue
[21:54] Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. But what my take presupposes, Greg
[21:58] Speaker 3: is when the football player is being asked to do
[22:00] Speaker 3: different things, there's different outcomes, and also there may be
[22:03] Speaker 3: deleterious effects. When you are in a long term, multi
[22:07] Speaker 3: year conversation about not providing somebody with compensation, and they
[22:11] Speaker 3: rush the passer and they prioritize sacking the quarterback over
[22:14] Speaker 3: other things because that's how you get paid when somebody
[22:18] Speaker 3: is fairly compensated. I think Trey Hendrickson is let's be honest,
[22:23] Speaker 3: he's he's not Max Crosby against the run, but he's
[22:28] Speaker 3: a serviceable football player that I think like this idea
[22:31] Speaker 3: that like, ah, yeah, he's getting murdered in the run game.
[22:33] Speaker 3: Every single time you've done like that, it's just not happening.
[22:36] Speaker 3: It's like, oh, if you could just post up Steph
[22:38] Speaker 3: Curry every time, Okay, it's not working. That's what I'm saying.
[22:43] Speaker 2: It's a great point.
[22:44] Speaker 1: The majority of people paid to do this that said
[22:50] Speaker 1: that Trey Hendrickson is a sieve in the running game
[22:52] Speaker 1: is a negative in the running game. That just kept
[22:54] Speaker 1: parroting that over and over during this whole off season.
[22:58] Speaker 1: They don't know what they're talking about. They're just saying
[23:02] Speaker 1: something that everyone else said.
[23:03] Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go out there.
[23:04] Speaker 2: I'm going that far. Okay, I'm saying.
[23:08] Speaker 1: I'm going media criticism. They're just saying things other people said.
[23:12] Speaker 1: Now I'm not going to say that I have a
[23:14] Speaker 1: hot take about his run defense in general, I would
[23:18] Speaker 1: have to I would want to go back and study
[23:20] Speaker 1: that whether they're targeting.
[23:21] Speaker 3: And I wanted to confirm my priors and bring tape. Yeah,
[23:24] Speaker 3: to give to AerR.
[23:24] Speaker 1: Your stats a great stuff on there, Yeah, but your stats,
[23:29] Speaker 1: stats are more important.
[23:31] Speaker 2: You backed it up with with real stats.
[23:34] Speaker 1: The spicy part of it is that Trey Hendrickson is
[23:38] Speaker 1: an extremely well known player, and I think people think
[23:42] Speaker 1: highly of him. So I think to go as far
[23:44] Speaker 1: as saying he's underrated, the most underrated player on the
[23:47] Speaker 1: team in theory, I guess, I guess we just an
[23:51] Speaker 1: an underrated player. You're you're saying he's another level better
[23:54] Speaker 1: than people even realized.
[23:55] Speaker 3: Like fifty six uh being the issue here and to
[24:00] Speaker 3: go back to like if we want to talk about
[24:03] Speaker 3: armand Membo right there has a fifty fifty five, he
[24:10] Speaker 3: has a sixty one in change of direction. Arman Membu
[24:13] Speaker 3: the massive human being that moves around, they're giving him
[24:17] Speaker 3: a sixty one in change of direction. Like the relative
[24:20] Speaker 3: here is that Trey Hendrickson is like a quarterback out
[24:25] Speaker 3: there in the run game, and I'm just not I'm
[24:27] Speaker 3: not feeling.
[24:28] Speaker 2: He's just like lying down every time. I don't know
[24:30] Speaker 2: what to do, And.
[24:31] Speaker 3: So I went back. The worst run defense the Bengals
[24:34] Speaker 3: played last year in terms of success was against the
[24:37] Speaker 3: Denver Broncos. The RJ. Harvey had a good game as
[24:40] Speaker 3: well as JK. Dobbins. He went for one to twenty one.
[24:42] Speaker 3: And I just expect to see Trey Hendrickson just diving
[24:45] Speaker 3: out of bounds on these run plays. It just it's
[24:47] Speaker 3: what's happened. I'm not seeing it. I think he is
[24:50] Speaker 3: an underrated run.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Defender, and I do believe systems can impact how people view.
[24:56] Speaker 2: You know, he is.
[24:58] Speaker 1: Going from a team it's been terrible stopping the run
[25:01] Speaker 1: in general, one of the worst the Bengals, to a
[25:05] Speaker 1: team that prizes stopping the run, especially from their edges.
[25:09] Speaker 1: So we might see him get coached up a little differently,
[25:12] Speaker 1: have different responsibilities and see that run stop score Skyrocket
[25:18] Speaker 1: and Claybon look like a genius.
[25:20] Speaker 2: I love it.
[25:20] Speaker 1: We're going two of the most famous players on this
[25:23] Speaker 1: list back to back in terms of underrated. So when
[25:26] Speaker 1: I say that Chase Brown is underrated, I am recognizing
[25:30] Speaker 1: the fact that the average fan does know Chase Brown,
[25:33] Speaker 1: and they do think he's probably pretty good. My point
[25:37] Speaker 1: is that he's even better than you realize. From week
[25:40] Speaker 1: eleven on, when they kind of figured out their running game,
[25:43] Speaker 1: Dalton risers healthy, they figure out who to play. He
[25:46] Speaker 1: was fifth among all running backs in yards from scrimmage.
[25:50] Speaker 1: You can guess the players ahead of him. It's Gibbs,
[25:53] Speaker 1: and it's McCaffrey and Bijon, and I think Cook was
[25:59] Speaker 1: the other one. I think is a good comp for
[26:01] Speaker 1: him in a type of contract that I think Chase
[26:03] Speaker 1: Brown would be worthy of getting because I think he's
[26:06] Speaker 1: a very smart player. I went back watched some of
[26:09] Speaker 1: his tape from last year, and he sees things before
[26:14] Speaker 1: they happen. I decided to watch a game where the
[26:16] Speaker 1: Bengals didn't score a single point. I was like, this
[26:19] Speaker 1: is a game where Chase Brown he's not gonna do well.
[26:21] Speaker 1: And that was against the Ravens. Multiple times in that
[26:24] Speaker 1: game he made great plays. On one Alowie Gilman, perfect
[26:27] Speaker 1: defensive play call. He sees him approaching, He's going to
[26:29] Speaker 1: be unblocked into the hole. He knows Gilman's coming, Brown
[26:33] Speaker 1: hits him with a spin move. He's got one of
[26:35] Speaker 1: the better spin moves in the league. He likes to
[26:37] Speaker 1: use it. He likes to use it as a receiver.
[26:39] Speaker 1: He used it.
[26:40] Speaker 2: If you're watching on YouTube on.
[26:42] Speaker 1: The very play that's going on right now against Jordan
[26:45] Speaker 1: Brooks Magic, there's multiple times in that game, by the way,
[26:48] Speaker 1: that he made Jordan Brooks look like the stiffest linebacker
[26:53] Speaker 1: you'll ever see. I don't wanna be smirch anyone, but
[26:57] Speaker 1: an elder linebacker that needs to base the end his career.
[27:00] Speaker 2: And Jordan Brooks is a good player.
[27:02] Speaker 3: Now, I wonder who we were talking about.
[27:04] Speaker 2: Chase Brown. It's on the list.
[27:05] Speaker 1: Actually, Chase Brown makes slower linebackers look that way. He
[27:10] Speaker 1: is outstanding in terms of his receiving production. I don't
[27:14] Speaker 1: need to tell you this Patrick because as fantasy football goes,
[27:17] Speaker 1: and I know he had a slow start that last year,
[27:19] Speaker 1: he's a productive player top twelve. I believe in fantasy
[27:23] Speaker 1: at running back the last two years, I do think
[27:26] Speaker 1: he comfortably fits in that five to ten range. He'd
[27:30] Speaker 1: be exactly the type of running back if I was
[27:32] Speaker 1: making a team that I would want to be my
[27:35] Speaker 1: running back, assuming you're not going to get like John Robinson,
[27:38] Speaker 1: a Hall of famer. He can do everything really well
[27:43] Speaker 1: and I think is better at the things like running
[27:46] Speaker 1: through contact, power, picking up the tough yards than people realize.
[27:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, people sleep on his bit. I think most people
[27:52] Speaker 3: are well aware that Chase Brown everything he can do
[27:54] Speaker 3: in the receiving game as a guy who can separate
[27:57] Speaker 3: quickness in and out of his breaks, making plays on
[27:59] Speaker 3: the ball as well, especially for a small lure guy.
[28:03] Speaker 3: But people under sell his capacity to be explosive with
[28:06] Speaker 3: the ball in his hands in the rung and is
[28:09] Speaker 3: he Jamir? Is he Bajon? No? But there's other aspects
[28:12] Speaker 3: of the game where he contributes. But because I think
[28:16] Speaker 3: of this size, there's the box is placed on him.
[28:20] Speaker 3: They have this idea of like a satellite back. Okay,
[28:23] Speaker 3: he's going out there and getting yards, He's being productive.
[28:25] Speaker 3: What more do you want? And I think he makes
[28:27] Speaker 3: the Bengals able to do what the Bengals can do.
[28:30] Speaker 1: And how many running backs in the NFL in the
[28:33] Speaker 1: last two seasons have had more total touches than Chase Brown.
[28:36] Speaker 1: It's a pretty short list at this point. Having two
[28:39] Speaker 1: hundred and forty ish carries and then you're getting fifty
[28:43] Speaker 1: catches in the receiving game that is your workhorse back
[28:46] Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, there's not many of those left.
[28:48] Speaker 1: I actually consider Chase Brown one of those. And yeah,
[28:52] Speaker 1: he's not your first pick to just run it in
[28:55] Speaker 1: the middle, and yet like his mistackles force is really high.
[28:57] Speaker 1: In that same Ravens game, ran through Kyle Hamilton tackle
[29:02] Speaker 1: is one of the best tacklers in the league two times.
[29:04] Speaker 2: I mean just ran straight through him.
[29:06] Speaker 1: And there are sometimes where he's got a smaller guy
[29:10] Speaker 1: from the secondary trying to line him up and he'll
[29:12] Speaker 1: run right through him. So really impressive player that it
[29:15] Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he takes another step. And he's
[29:17] Speaker 1: kind of recognized in that James Cook, I think is
[29:20] Speaker 1: a nice comp for him of the level that I
[29:23] Speaker 1: see him at.
[29:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just do think the accumulation of pain
[29:28] Speaker 3: and punishment on his like we didn't necessarily appreciate Peke
[29:33] Speaker 3: Austin Eckler these times. So I'm glad that you're shouting
[29:36] Speaker 3: out Chase Brown is under raged. Well.
[29:38] Speaker 1: In the first five weeks of the season, there was
[29:39] Speaker 1: this crazy stat that him and Ashton Genty had that
[29:41] Speaker 1: their average spot where they got hit was in the backfield.
[29:46] Speaker 1: It was negative. That's how bad The Bengals offensive line
[29:49] Speaker 1: was run blocking early last season, and so it was
[29:52] Speaker 1: a slow start for him. But once they got it going,
[29:54] Speaker 1: he got it going as well. All Right, you got
[29:56] Speaker 1: the Browns up next.
[29:57] Speaker 3: So Harrold Fannon got a great on PFF of sixty
[30:00] Speaker 3: nine point one. It was in an offense. Here's here's
[30:03] Speaker 3: my point for Harlo Fan. The offense had a thirty
[30:06] Speaker 3: four point six percent success rate. They were dead last
[30:08] Speaker 3: in the league. They had twenty six touchdowns rusting and
[30:11] Speaker 3: receiving total in twenty twenty five. Harold Fannon had seven
[30:15] Speaker 3: of them. He was the team's leading receiver, demanded a
[30:18] Speaker 3: ton of targets. Everyone in the stadium, on the planet
[30:20] Speaker 3: knew he was getting the ball. His catch percentage was low. Yeah,
[30:24] Speaker 3: the offense was bad, the quarterbacks were bad, and the
[30:26] Speaker 3: coach got fired. I think everybody generally accepts that he's good.
[30:31] Speaker 3: But his target percentage was similar to Trey McBride, His
[30:34] Speaker 3: reception EPA was comparable to Tucker Craft. His rating on
[30:37] Speaker 3: targets was higher than Theo Johnson, Travis Kelsey, and Tyler Warren.
[30:40] Speaker 3: And the Browns offense was miserable, and all those things
[30:44] Speaker 3: were still true. He's underrated.
[30:46] Speaker 1: Love that love recognizing a unique player. When you see
[30:51] Speaker 1: Harold Fannon on the field, I remember very distinctly, you know,
[30:54] Speaker 1: watching him overseas, there's no one quite like him. He
[30:57] Speaker 1: moves a little different, big player, makes crazy catches, drops.
[31:02] Speaker 2: Some catches too.
[31:03] Speaker 1: It happens, It happens. I'm saying he's just so, but
[31:07] Speaker 1: he's a bucket, as the kids would say, that's out
[31:10] Speaker 1: there produces I and also another position that traditionally pretty
[31:14] Speaker 1: difficult for tight ends. I know they've gotten more productive
[31:16] Speaker 1: over the last few years. He's someone I have a
[31:18] Speaker 1: feeling is rooten for shudur Win that job, because I
[31:21] Speaker 1: think him and Sauder specifically had a nice connection and
[31:25] Speaker 1: trusted him as he should as really his best receiver.
[31:29] Speaker 1: I'm going with a guy who probably would have been
[31:32] Speaker 1: on this list last year for the Steelers, and he's
[31:34] Speaker 1: still on the list because he's still underrated. Nick Herberg
[31:37] Speaker 1: has finally graduated in my own brain from confusing him
[31:42] Speaker 1: with Nate Herberg. It just was something I couldn't I
[31:46] Speaker 1: just couldn't get past. I mean, its Nate Herberg was
[31:48] Speaker 1: on the Steelers it's like a gar. It just was
[31:51] Speaker 1: very confusing. At this point, Nick's career is so outstanding.
[31:55] Speaker 1: I'm not going to confuse him anymore. Sorry to Nate,
[31:59] Speaker 1: he led the NFL.
[32:00] Speaker 3: If there's only space in your brain for one Herbig
[32:02] Speaker 3: on the Steelers.
[32:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
[32:03] Speaker 3: Okay.
[32:04] Speaker 1: I don't know what Nate's doing right now. I think
[32:06] Speaker 1: he's is he still on the Steelers. I think he's
[32:07] Speaker 1: bounced around.
[32:08] Speaker 3: So it's true for real.
[32:09] Speaker 1: Oh no, only one Herbig is allowed at any time.
[32:13] Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty four past rush to win rate.
[32:16] Speaker 1: People have different opinions about the stat in general, but
[32:21] Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, Nick Krbrigg's pass rush win rate
[32:25] Speaker 1: was so far ahead of the entire rest of the league.
[32:28] Speaker 2: I think it was like nine.
[32:29] Speaker 1: He was thirty four percent, and the next closest was
[32:32] Speaker 1: twenty five. The next closest, by the way, was like
[32:35] Speaker 1: Will Anderson and Jonathan Grenard, and not far behind that
[32:38] Speaker 1: Nick Benito, Michael Parsons. So you can say it's a
[32:41] Speaker 1: flawed stat. But last year, after Nick Herbig went back
[32:46] Speaker 1: to back, back to back, the people right behind him
[32:49] Speaker 1: are Nick Benito, Michael Parsons, Will Anderson, Abdull Carter watch
[32:53] Speaker 1: out for that second year Leap and Miles Garrett.
[32:56] Speaker 2: So I don't know how flawed that stat is.
[32:59] Speaker 1: If that if it's pumping out those players as the
[33:01] Speaker 1: best pass rushers in the league, and yet I still
[33:05] Speaker 1: think that makes him a little underrated to be able
[33:07] Speaker 1: to do that back to back season. Now, he didn't
[33:08] Speaker 1: win it by nine percentage points last season. What they
[33:11] Speaker 1: did was up his usage, mostly because of injury early
[33:14] Speaker 1: in the season, and then they'd put him back on
[33:17] Speaker 1: the bench at the end of the season. He only
[33:21] Speaker 1: had one game in the last I believe seven or
[33:27] Speaker 1: eight games Patrick with over thirty snaps. So he's not
[33:31] Speaker 1: underrated by Joe Fann. He's underrated by the Steelers, and
[33:34] Speaker 1: that's why he deserves to still be on that list,
[33:37] Speaker 1: where like high Smith and TJ. Watt are just getting
[33:40] Speaker 1: so many more snaps down the stretch than Nick Kerbrick.
[33:44] Speaker 3: Especially when late in the season when you weren't necessarily
[33:48] Speaker 3: getting maximum TJ. Watt like it was like twenty five
[33:52] Speaker 3: percent of TJ. Watt last year. A bit of a crime,
[33:55] Speaker 3: like to pay to play sixty percent of the defensive
[33:58] Speaker 3: snaps in twenty twenty five he went up from fifty
[34:01] Speaker 3: to twenty twenty four. Uh, but to have win rates
[34:04] Speaker 3: similar to those guys, they got to know we need
[34:07] Speaker 3: we need more Nick Herberg, and we need like better
[34:10] Speaker 3: Nick Herbig propaganda, like we need Nick to be promoted.
[34:14] Speaker 1: He's got the traditional numbers two eight sacks, thirteen quarterback hits,
[34:18] Speaker 1: forty seven total pressure.
[34:19] Speaker 2: So those those.
[34:20] Speaker 1: Numbers were were good, and he only got that extra
[34:23] Speaker 1: ten percent because because hy Smith and Watt missed some
[34:26] Speaker 1: time early and even late late in the season.
[34:28] Speaker 2: It was crazy.
[34:29] Speaker 1: I mean when they essentially benched him, and I guess
[34:32] Speaker 1: he's not as good at stopping the run as those
[34:34] Speaker 1: other two, but I don't think he's a total sieve.
[34:37] Speaker 2: When they essentially bench him. He was leading the league
[34:38] Speaker 2: then too.
[34:39] Speaker 1: Imagine imagine that leading essentially benching the guy who's leading
[34:42] Speaker 1: the league in past rush for win rate. We're gonna
[34:45] Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, Patrick
[34:47] Speaker 1: Clayn is going to blow your mind. Wait, the most
[34:50] Speaker 1: underrated oh oh on the Houston Tech.
[34:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, this is taken.
[35:05] Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily.
[35:08] Speaker 1: Patrick Claybahn drawing a lot of disrespect from the Madding
[35:11] Speaker 1: ratings specifically, and he noted the ultimate disrespect that the
[35:16] Speaker 1: two Jordan Phillips is the Phillips I in Buffalo and
[35:19] Speaker 1: Miami only have one profile picture. They just were glazy
[35:22] Speaker 1: and copied and pasted it.
[35:24] Speaker 3: And you, having delved deeply into the younger Jordan, yes,
[35:27] Speaker 3: have determined that that is a picture of the young Jordan.
[35:29] Speaker 2: Pretty sure. Yeah, it's the younger one.
[35:30] Speaker 3: So you come into the league first, it's your name.
[35:33] Speaker 3: And the Madden folks, who are great, by the way,
[35:37] Speaker 3: they got a lot of they got a lot of
[35:38] Speaker 3: ratings to do. Somebody's got to do the ratings. Yeah,
[35:41] Speaker 3: I get it, we're doing underrated. I'm not, you know,
[35:44] Speaker 3: taking to task the people who are doing this. I'm
[35:47] Speaker 3: just saying, as opposed to saying somebody is just underrated
[35:51] Speaker 3: based on Heather, you.
[35:53] Speaker 1: Went with the numbers. Numbers, and we do love the Madden.
[35:55] Speaker 1: Yes family. Shook is a part of that family, my son,
[36:00] Speaker 1: the massive Madden player and fan.
[36:02] Speaker 2: And you're going to talk about his favorite team to
[36:05] Speaker 2: play with.
[36:06] Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, and honestly, one of his one of his
[36:09] Speaker 3: favorite players, that is Coleridge Bernard C. J. Stroud, the
[36:13] Speaker 3: fourth who has cratered to a seventy seven overall on Madden.
[36:18] Speaker 3: A lot of people may be familiar with the game
[36:20] Speaker 3: against the New England Patriots in the playoffs, where it
[36:23] Speaker 3: was horrible. I would like to suggest to the people
[36:27] Speaker 3: who watched that game, who saw some football, who appreciate
[36:30] Speaker 3: our game, that c J. Stroud was not as bad
[36:33] Speaker 3: over the course of the season and had a miserable
[36:36] Speaker 3: playoff game. He was successful against man coverage. He had
[36:39] Speaker 3: one hundred and sixteen point two passer rating, the fifth
[36:42] Speaker 3: highest in the league. He averaged seven point one yards
[36:45] Speaker 3: per attempt in the red zone against man he had
[36:48] Speaker 3: the third highest mark. He completed sixty seven percent of
[36:50] Speaker 3: his passes, He had eleven touchdowns, not a single interception.
[36:55] Speaker 3: He had a bad game, he had spots in the
[36:57] Speaker 3: season that were miserable, and we've got to the point
[37:00] Speaker 3: where c J. Stroud, who was like the future of
[37:03] Speaker 3: the NFL. I don't think we leaned too heavily on that,
[37:06] Speaker 3: but I think the fallback after some bad play has
[37:10] Speaker 3: been way too much.
[37:12] Speaker 2: Totally agree. His numbers for the season.
[37:16] Speaker 1: Actually are better than I would have even expected having
[37:19] Speaker 1: watched every one of his games. His EPA per play,
[37:23] Speaker 1: his QBR, his success rate, like they all paint a
[37:26] Speaker 1: picture of about a top twelve quarterback. They just if
[37:29] Speaker 1: you consider the offensive line struggles and the lack of
[37:31] Speaker 1: a running game and the offensive coordinator, like you gotta
[37:35] Speaker 1: give some extra points for that.
[37:38] Speaker 2: The catches.
[37:40] Speaker 1: Last year was the most concerning year for me as
[37:43] Speaker 1: a CJ. Stroud fan, because I do think what happened
[37:46] Speaker 1: in the playoffs was typical of what happened a few
[37:50] Speaker 1: times in the season.
[37:51] Speaker 2: Usually he'd get out of it.
[37:53] Speaker 1: When he would get into a funk, it's like he
[37:56] Speaker 1: it's like he had a hard time getting out of it.
[37:58] Speaker 1: Like you could almost you could see it his face
[38:00] Speaker 1: a little bit, but you could see it in his
[38:01] Speaker 1: play where you know they say with Sam Donald, oh
[38:04] Speaker 1: he leaves a bad places behind him on to the
[38:06] Speaker 1: next play. I didn't get I felt like Stroud got
[38:09] Speaker 1: streaky in a bad way last year, But people are
[38:12] Speaker 1: ignoring all the good streaks too.
[38:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that is instructive in that that
[38:17] Speaker 3: was a thing that was said about Sam Donald, Yeah,
[38:19] Speaker 3: who one time lamented the things he was seeing on
[38:22] Speaker 3: the field, and it became like the thing about Sam Donald.
[38:26] Speaker 3: But we've seen that a Sam Donald quarterback can literally
[38:29] Speaker 3: win the super Bowl with the team around him is correct.
[38:31] Speaker 3: And if CJ plays to the extent that CJ. Stroud
[38:35] Speaker 3: has in the past with this team and this defense,
[38:38] Speaker 3: that the Texans will be fine. I think we've gone
[38:40] Speaker 3: too far. I agree collect I'm included in that in
[38:45] Speaker 3: going back and trying to figure out which textan is underrated,
[38:47] Speaker 3: and I'm scrolling through looking at PFF, I'm looking at Madden,
[38:50] Speaker 3: and I'm seeing where CJ. Stroud was, And you go
[38:53] Speaker 3: back and look and think about it, it's he's underrated.
[38:57] Speaker 1: I still have him as a top fifteen quarterback in
[38:59] Speaker 1: the NFL. I'd take him over Sam Darnold, who just
[39:01] Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. I'm going Josh Downs as my
[39:04] Speaker 1: next pick, the slot receiver for the Indianapolis Colts.
[39:10] Speaker 2: Look, his raw numbers are good.
[39:12] Speaker 1: He's got almost two thousand yards in three seasons, which
[39:15] Speaker 1: is very good for a third round pick. He got
[39:18] Speaker 1: over one hundred targets in twenty twenty four. It was
[39:21] Speaker 1: his best kind of counting stat seasons. But to me,
[39:24] Speaker 1: he's better on tape than he is as a player.
[39:28] Speaker 1: No one converted last season more third downs, and this
[39:33] Speaker 1: is where he missed a lot of games too. Where
[39:35] Speaker 1: he received the ball short of the sticks and then
[39:38] Speaker 1: converted a first down. Then Josh freaking first down. He
[39:44] Speaker 1: was the third highest volume in terms of targets in
[39:47] Speaker 1: the entire league on third downs. The two guys ahead
[39:51] Speaker 1: of him were improbably on the same team, Pukakua and
[39:55] Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, which just shows you, like, literally a.
[39:57] Speaker 3: Two man offense pretty effective.
[40:00] Speaker 2: That's crazy. So everyone knows it's going to Josh Downs.
[40:04] Speaker 1: You can't cover him high volume, and the after catchability
[40:08] Speaker 1: is just fantastic, which I think the first stat points out.
[40:12] Speaker 1: In the right situation, I think he could have a
[40:14] Speaker 1: crazy great counting stat season, but he doesn't even need
[40:17] Speaker 1: to for me to just like recognize him as one
[40:20] Speaker 1: of the best slot receivers in the NFL.
[40:21] Speaker 3: And I think it explains some of the moves and
[40:25] Speaker 3: why they're able to do that, and the perception about
[40:27] Speaker 3: the MPG trade and the way the Colts are moving
[40:31] Speaker 3: is Josh Downs allows you to do that, and maybe
[40:33] Speaker 3: we you know, I got to stop with this week.
[40:36] Speaker 3: Maybe folks who generally perceive Josh Downs. I feel as
[40:40] Speaker 3: though the slot capacity you see Pierce and Pittman in
[40:44] Speaker 3: the size and the way that they can produce, and
[40:47] Speaker 3: Tyler Warren doing all these different things. It's like all
[40:49] Speaker 3: these guys are where it's base. But when you're getting
[40:51] Speaker 3: almost a third of third down targets going your way,
[40:55] Speaker 3: when you run around, it's.
[40:56] Speaker 1: The most important play in the game. That's who they're
[40:59] Speaker 1: going to is Josh Downs. I became a bigger fan
[41:03] Speaker 1: of him when Drake May was coming out, and I
[41:06] Speaker 1: went back to watch those two seasons, and I think
[41:08] Speaker 1: it is instructive that we always talk about quarterbacks making
[41:12] Speaker 1: receivers better, like Josh Downs made Drake May a lot
[41:15] Speaker 1: better and vice versa. When they were together, Drake May
[41:18] Speaker 1: was not the same player without Josh Downs. I don't
[41:20] Speaker 1: think Dana Jones would have been the same player last
[41:22] Speaker 1: year without Josh Downs. I think he helps out his
[41:24] Speaker 1: quarterbacks a great deal on money downs. All right, you
[41:27] Speaker 1: got the Jaguars, So looking at the Jacksonville Jaguwars, a
[41:30] Speaker 1: team that lost some talent as well, I don't feel
[41:33] Speaker 1: they are as good as they were last year. Maybe
[41:36] Speaker 1: I'm underrating them, but this is the antithesis of the
[41:41] Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson take, where Travon Walker played pretty good in
[41:46] Speaker 1: rushing the pass, and again It's tough to say that
[41:48] Speaker 1: a player that was the number one overall pick in
[41:51] Speaker 1: the NFL draft is underrated. But there's this idea that
[41:55] Speaker 1: you know, he's only good against the run, where it's like, guys,
[41:58] Speaker 1: we got to pick something.
[41:59] Speaker 3: Either it's important or it's not important. But when he
[42:02] Speaker 3: was on the field, the Jags had a pressure of
[42:06] Speaker 3: thirty five percent of opposing quarterback dropbacks. When he was
[42:10] Speaker 3: off the field, it went down to twenty seven and
[42:12] Speaker 3: a half percent. The Jags were far and away the
[42:15] Speaker 3: number one run defense, where nobody had over one hundred
[42:19] Speaker 3: yards rushing against this team the entire season. They were great,
[42:23] Speaker 3: and he was a big part of that. And I
[42:24] Speaker 3: think he's a touch underrated.
[42:26] Speaker 2: I agree.
[42:28] Speaker 1: I think he really got caught because he's the number
[42:31] Speaker 1: one overall pick, but now he's graduated to the point
[42:34] Speaker 1: that he was a good number one overall pick. He
[42:38] Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Jenevian Clowney in this sense.
[42:40] Speaker 1: It play style, athleticism, how he developed into his career
[42:45] Speaker 1: just below an all pro level, you know, but not
[42:48] Speaker 1: quite there.
[42:49] Speaker 2: The problem is multiple things can be true.
[42:51] Speaker 1: I actually think it was kind of an inspired and
[42:53] Speaker 1: good pick by Trent balk in a way that he
[42:55] Speaker 1: went number one overall and he actually is going to
[42:57] Speaker 1: be better than plenty of number one overall picks, and
[42:59] Speaker 1: it was still the wrong pick because there was a
[43:00] Speaker 1: better player that seemed more obvious available at the same position,
[43:03] Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson, that they passed on that best. Not Trayvon
[43:07] Speaker 1: Walker's fault, like if you put him, if you put
[43:10] Speaker 1: him number two or three, he would have had this
[43:11] Speaker 1: career and you'd be like, Yeah, that's that's an incredible
[43:14] Speaker 1: two or three pick. Like Trayvon Walker, I'm going Cedric Gray,
[43:20] Speaker 1: not CJ. I wrote he's so underrated. I wrote him
[43:23] Speaker 1: down as CJ. And my aforementioned son was looking at
[43:26] Speaker 1: my list and I was like, it's not CJ.
[43:29] Speaker 2: Gray, bro, it's Cedric Gray. So nice correction.
[43:31] Speaker 3: Then Seth Walker, it's not in there.
[43:34] Speaker 2: Pretty impressive second in the league and stops.
[43:37] Speaker 1: I'm talking about Cedric Gray and my son and my
[43:39] Speaker 1: son for the Titans. People probably don't even know that
[43:44] Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. Not a lot of carryover from last
[43:47] Speaker 1: year's Titans defense to this one, and I think they
[43:51] Speaker 1: have a keeper in Cedric dra Look, he was second
[43:54] Speaker 1: in the league in stops. Tackles and stops can be
[43:57] Speaker 1: a little misleading, but he was also extra high and
[44:00] Speaker 1: stop rate, so that's per snap that he was on
[44:04] Speaker 1: the field. Ultimately, it's like success rate as a defender,
[44:08] Speaker 1: did you prevent the opposing offense from having a successful play?
[44:12] Speaker 2: Depends on if it's first or second down.
[44:14] Speaker 1: Also very high in terms of tackles for loss and
[44:18] Speaker 1: just the guy that's uh seball, get ball pursuit linebacker.
[44:23] Speaker 1: To do that as a second year Day three guys
[44:26] Speaker 1: is really impressive. Or was he taken in the third
[44:28] Speaker 1: round like he was in the middle of that draft.
[44:30] Speaker 1: But as a second year guy, I think he's going
[44:33] Speaker 1: to get better. He's not all cleaned up in terms
[44:36] Speaker 1: of his you know, pass defense, but that's true of
[44:39] Speaker 1: basically all linebackers. Yeah, in the league, he could become
[44:43] Speaker 1: a star with Robert Sallas. I'm also kind of calling
[44:46] Speaker 1: my shot here that he's only going to get better
[44:48] Speaker 1: with a really good coach in Robert Sala.
[44:50] Speaker 3: And that's that's what a typical underrated player is. They
[44:54] Speaker 3: finally get the opportunity and who a guy who went
[44:57] Speaker 3: one oh six overalls fourth round pick. Okay for said
[45:00] Speaker 3: Gray and sky's the limit. Get Bob Zalla in there.
[45:04] Speaker 3: Start start. You know, you need to get diced up
[45:07] Speaker 3: at linebacker. But these guys are all put in conflict
[45:09] Speaker 3: all the time, especially in that division, and so.
[45:12] Speaker 1: Got to be next to Anthony Hill. I mean that
[45:14] Speaker 1: edible that is in an athletic intern You know, they
[45:18] Speaker 1: could get diced up a little bit. Hill's kind of
[45:20] Speaker 1: the more the in theory, a guy that's gonna really
[45:25] Speaker 1: play well in coverage. But we'll see that's going to
[45:28] Speaker 1: be a fun duo to watch and Sala's linebackers are
[45:31] Speaker 1: always fun to watch.
[45:32] Speaker 3: All right.
[45:32] Speaker 1: You are up with the Broncos wrapping up here with
[45:34] Speaker 1: the AFC West.
[45:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Denver Broncos famously had an opportunity to
[45:38] Speaker 3: go to the Super Bowl. They beat the Buffalo Bills.
[45:43] Speaker 3: With an opportunity to go to that AFC Championship game,
[45:46] Speaker 3: they didn't have their quarterback d Kawan McMillan, who is
[45:48] Speaker 3: a seventy six A now according to our friends at Madden,
[45:52] Speaker 3: and again this is a difficult task to rate these players.
[45:56] Speaker 3: Thirty four snaps in the Division round against the Bills.
[45:58] Speaker 3: He was targeted three times, negative four yards, and he
[46:02] Speaker 3: got the interception in overtime. Even after the interception, we
[46:06] Speaker 3: can't get my man into the eighties. It seemed glaring
[46:09] Speaker 3: to me. I feel Jacon McMillan is underrated.
[46:12] Speaker 1: I was going back to that Bill's Broncos game for
[46:16] Speaker 1: another exercise we're going to do in quarterbacks, and I
[46:19] Speaker 1: was on Nate Tyson's show this week talking quarterbacks.
[46:21] Speaker 2: People should check that out.
[46:22] Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, like Josh Allen had a
[46:24] Speaker 1: few turnover where he plays in that game, but this
[46:27] Speaker 1: wasn't one of them, the interception that Jaqwan McMillan had,
[46:30] Speaker 1: because that was just a great defensive play by McMillan
[46:34] Speaker 1: to rip that ball away.
[46:35] Speaker 3: And all he didn't see right at all.
[46:39] Speaker 1: I love an undersize flot guy. I love a guy
[46:42] Speaker 1: who was kind of told by his coaches, hey, we're
[46:44] Speaker 1: probably not going to play you as much this year
[46:46] Speaker 1: because of the draft pick that we made Jeday Barron
[46:49] Speaker 1: first round pick, and he comes out and he just
[46:52] Speaker 1: earns his spot and he keeps that first round pick
[46:55] Speaker 1: mostly on the bench. They told us what they thought
[46:57] Speaker 1: of Jakewon McMillan. They were like, we can't take him
[46:59] Speaker 1: off the It's kind of why I was a curious
[47:02] Speaker 1: pick because he's been so good throughout, but you know,
[47:05] Speaker 1: can't ever have too many defents backs.
[47:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, upwards of seventy targets over the course of the season.
[47:10] Speaker 3: Zero touchdowns come on.
[47:11] Speaker 1: So they told us what they thought of McMillan by
[47:13] Speaker 1: his playing time. And that's my main take with Noel
[47:16] Speaker 1: Williams from the Chiefs. I'm not going to pretend that
[47:20] Speaker 1: like he stood out to me watching him each and
[47:24] Speaker 1: every snap, but in some high leverage spots against good teams,
[47:29] Speaker 1: including I can't remember that Bill's game, they trusted him
[47:33] Speaker 1: in a very similar way as an outside cornerback to
[47:36] Speaker 1: the way that they trusted Jalen Watson as a rookie
[47:39] Speaker 1: cornerback all through that Super Bowl run. And then they
[47:43] Speaker 1: told us what they thought of Noel Williams by the
[47:44] Speaker 1: way they acted this offseason. Yeat, you move up in
[47:47] Speaker 1: the draft for mansor Delane, Noah Williams is still locked
[47:50] Speaker 1: into that starting job right opposite him. I think they
[47:53] Speaker 1: entered this offseason thinking, Okay, Noel Williams is one of
[47:56] Speaker 1: our starters. How do we get that second starter next
[48:00] Speaker 1: to him? That's a mid round pick, and I trust
[48:03] Speaker 1: him you think I'm stretching here.
[48:04] Speaker 2: No, I know.
[48:05] Speaker 3: I like the idea of, like, you know what, the
[48:08] Speaker 3: Broncos We're like, we got to find somebody to go
[48:09] Speaker 3: on the other side of certain It's like, we got
[48:11] Speaker 3: to find somebody to go on the other side of
[48:13] Speaker 3: Nola Williams. But it's true. It's true.
[48:15] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, maybe not thinking that way, but like
[48:18] Speaker 1: I think they looked there like, Okay, we saw enough.
[48:21] Speaker 1: He's our guy. He's gonna be our guy throughout this
[48:23] Speaker 1: Rickey contract. I just have kind of no doubt that
[48:26] Speaker 1: if Steve Spagnolo believes that he's the guy for the
[48:30] Speaker 1: next four or five years, then he will be the guy.
[48:33] Speaker 1: They've proven that they're going to be right about these things.
[48:36] Speaker 1: You got the Raiders.
[48:37] Speaker 3: Next, and this was a very difficult part of the exercise.
[48:41] Speaker 3: To me. I leaned towards discussing Ashton Genty and all
[48:46] Speaker 3: of the tackles behind the line of scrimmage, but I
[48:47] Speaker 3: decided to go with Trey Tucker. Okay, Greg, who is
[48:50] Speaker 3: a seventy eight overall according to our friends on Madden,
[48:55] Speaker 3: Trey Tucker has consistently been explosive. In Week three, we
[49:00] Speaker 3: had you know, eight catches for one hundred and forty
[49:03] Speaker 3: five yards in three touchdowns. That was a significant portion
[49:07] Speaker 3: of the Las Vegas raiders receiving totals for the season.
[49:11] Speaker 3: In Week three, when like there was you know, they
[49:13] Speaker 3: beat the Patriots, there was this idea that they may
[49:15] Speaker 3: be some sort of viable football team. They weren't, and
[49:19] Speaker 3: I had to pick someone purely, I had to pick someone.
[49:22] Speaker 3: I went with Trade Tucker because the team was miserable.
[49:25] Speaker 1: He's the rare NFL player that makes everyone else look slow.
[49:29] Speaker 1: If you're checking us out on YouTube, you're seeing some
[49:31] Speaker 1: after the catchability. You're seeing some tough throw catchability, some
[49:36] Speaker 1: plays at like, look, he's not going to break a
[49:38] Speaker 1: ton of tackles at his size, but his speed just
[49:41] Speaker 1: jumps off the screen. There's not that many receivers that
[49:43] Speaker 1: actually have different speed. There's only like, i'd say, like
[49:47] Speaker 1: fifteen of them in the NFL. I think Tray Tucker
[49:50] Speaker 1: is in that group, just a pure, pure, like kind
[49:53] Speaker 1: of make the defense panic speed hit.
[49:56] Speaker 3: Eighteen miles an hour on thirty nine routes of this season.
[49:59] Speaker 3: It was the third most in the NFL. Playing for
[50:01] Speaker 3: playing for a team where you don't have a lot
[50:04] Speaker 3: of opportunities to hit eighteen miles an hour. Like frankly,
[50:07] Speaker 3: you had Gino doing weird stuff back there, and the
[50:09] Speaker 3: protection not necessarily being NFL caliber protection players, but just
[50:16] Speaker 3: implementation all the way through. Similar to the fan and
[50:19] Speaker 3: thing where people produce despite the situation around them being miserable.
[50:24] Speaker 3: Trey Tucker did that.
[50:25] Speaker 1: I kind of like that fit too, because I was thinking, like,
[50:27] Speaker 1: Trey Tucker is one of those guys. If he was
[50:29] Speaker 1: a role player on a great team, he'd be very famous.
[50:32] Speaker 1: And I have no doubt he would be a really
[50:35] Speaker 1: effective role player for a team like the forty nine
[50:38] Speaker 1: Ers or the Rams or something.
[50:39] Speaker 3: Around that, Like Grams have been looking for Trey Tucker
[50:41] Speaker 3: for years.
[50:42] Speaker 1: Right, and then everyone be like, Trey Tucker is awesome.
[50:45] Speaker 1: I'm going Chargers next. And I was bullied into taking
[50:50] Speaker 1: a player that the average fan, you know, would recognize
[50:55] Speaker 1: more that we have b role for that. You can
[50:58] Speaker 1: see the vision. But I'm not going to be bullied
[51:01] Speaker 1: on my own show.
[51:03] Speaker 3: It was needless.
[51:04] Speaker 2: Tierre Tart is the man. Tier Tart is so good.
[51:08] Speaker 1: At defensive tackle that they had to give a big contract. Okay,
[51:10] Speaker 1: I was bullied. I'm sneaking to it. My two guys
[51:13] Speaker 1: were Tierre Tart, who capably replaced Punaford a little different,
[51:16] Speaker 1: more of a pressure back. Please on this he goes,
[51:19] Speaker 1: Please go with the running backs.
[51:21] Speaker 4: I was going to play though, Marion Hampton b roll
[51:24] Speaker 4: over you talking about Tierre Tart anyways? Like this whatever,
[51:27] Speaker 4: people get to see it because I cut it.
[51:28] Speaker 2: It is cool.
[51:29] Speaker 1: Let's see some o Marion Hampton b roll because it
[51:32] Speaker 1: is awesome. I think he is underrated, especially.
[51:35] Speaker 3: With the Mic mac influence. He's going to be much
[51:37] Speaker 3: better than he was.
[51:40] Speaker 1: Not usually my style of player either. I really like
[51:42] Speaker 1: the short area of quickness, like the guys who can
[51:45] Speaker 1: make you miss in a in a in a phone
[51:47] Speaker 1: booth as they would say.
[51:48] Speaker 2: And Hampton isn't that guy. But what he has.
[51:54] Speaker 1: Almost as much as like anyone for this skill set,
[51:57] Speaker 1: since Derrick Henry is a common nation of Oh my god,
[52:02] Speaker 1: he is going to run your ass over if you're
[52:06] Speaker 1: in the secondary. There were some plays like paulsonadebo Javon
[52:10] Speaker 1: Holland in that in that giant scheme, where like he
[52:12] Speaker 1: is just going to make you look like a small
[52:14] Speaker 1: person and run you over. Combining that with the with
[52:17] Speaker 1: the bad angle, just breakaway speed. He obviously doesn't have
[52:22] Speaker 1: the size that Derrick Henry has, but I think he
[52:25] Speaker 1: can have like a Derrick Henry style of play that
[52:29] Speaker 1: gets him to some Pro Bowls with some major yards,
[52:32] Speaker 1: because that's it's actually a pretty rare quality to have
[52:35] Speaker 1: the run over you and big playability that that he has.
[52:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's that moment of conflict where you're trying
[52:41] Speaker 3: to figure out how to get this person down. Obviously,
[52:43] Speaker 3: Derrick Henry he's had, He's still armed a million people,
[52:46] Speaker 3: and that's like the fifth time that a tackler is
[52:49] Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to tackle Derrick Henry. Uh.
[52:51] Speaker 3: And for Mari and Hampton, it's similar in that, like
[52:54] Speaker 3: the way we see Jamar Chase break all these tackles
[52:57] Speaker 3: where he's explosive, but he's also larger and so the
[53:00] Speaker 3: arm contact isn't doing what it normally does to people
[53:04] Speaker 3: because force sequels mass times acceleration, and so like Hampton's
[53:09] Speaker 3: out the gate. That's why I'm so excited to see
[53:11] Speaker 3: him in an offense that has spacing and like planning
[53:14] Speaker 3: to it where I'm excited about what the charge have you.
[53:17] Speaker 1: Been tracking average draft position or anything like that. How
[53:20] Speaker 1: people are seeing Hampton. Where's Hampton at these days?
[53:23] Speaker 3: ADP wise and again like a post draft ADP tends
[53:28] Speaker 3: to be a little bit different. Sixteen, he's overall sixteen.
[53:33] Speaker 3: He's got RB ten right now. I think that goes
[53:36] Speaker 3: up as we get closer praise. Maybe hopefully we get
[53:41] Speaker 3: to have fantasy preseason shows. Hopefully the fantasy show exists
[53:44] Speaker 3: in some capacity. But I think we're going to talk
[53:47] Speaker 3: him up in leap frog Guys like Saquan you know
[53:52] Speaker 3: where you don't necessarily know what the Eagles offense is
[53:55] Speaker 3: going to look like McCaffrey, JT, Jamir Bajon, that's gonna
[53:59] Speaker 3: be lock solid. But Lamarin Hampton gets to this place
[54:02] Speaker 3: where you're in that you thinking about the RB dead
[54:05] Speaker 3: zone kind of starting where it's like, am I getting
[54:07] Speaker 3: the value here? Maybe I'll go a wide receiver. I
[54:10] Speaker 3: think you can still get good RB value with Omark.
[54:13] Speaker 1: He just has to prove that he can stay on
[54:15] Speaker 1: the field and stay healthy because like those broken tackles
[54:18] Speaker 1: I talked about, for instance, against the Giants, it was
[54:21] Speaker 1: it was kind of a joke, like Paulsinadibo, Javon Hiland
[54:23] Speaker 1: and Tyler Newman, Like they literally can't tackle him.
[54:26] Speaker 2: He's just too big for them. He just runs right
[54:27] Speaker 2: over him.
[54:28] Speaker 1: But sometimes he just puts his head down and literally
[54:30] Speaker 1: runs right over them.
[54:31] Speaker 2: And so he's gonna take a pounding.
[54:34] Speaker 1: If you told me, if there is a world where
[54:36] Speaker 1: you're you're drafting everyone for fantasy and you're telling me
[54:38] Speaker 1: everyone gets fifteen games midimum, I think he's a top
[54:43] Speaker 1: five or six pick like that that I am. I
[54:45] Speaker 1: am loving him on the turn in fantasy drafts. I
[54:48] Speaker 1: just think he could be a two thousand yard type
[54:50] Speaker 1: of guy. It doesn't take long for these these running
[54:53] Speaker 1: backs in two thousand yards from scrimmage.
[54:56] Speaker 3: And dynasty folks are obsessed with getting in early and
[54:59] Speaker 3: they're gonna I want, Oh, it's going to be Jeremiah
[55:01] Speaker 3: Love and all of these situations of Iron Hampton's been
[55:04] Speaker 3: in the league one year, Like, you're not losing the value.
[55:06] Speaker 3: You need to win now. I think winning is important
[55:09] Speaker 3: in fantasy football. Yeah, you want to prioritize in dynasty
[55:12] Speaker 3: down the road. You'd also like to win now because
[55:14] Speaker 3: it is a season that you were playing as well.
[55:16] Speaker 3: And I think Jeremiah Love like being closer. There is
[55:18] Speaker 3: a little fraudulent.
[55:19] Speaker 1: Ooh, well, fraudulent just because of the situation. I agree
[55:25] Speaker 1: long term, I get it though, I mean, he's pretty special.
[55:28] Speaker 3: No, he's a special player the franchise. And I recognize
[55:33] Speaker 3: we're talking about the Chargers. I feel a whole lot
[55:35] Speaker 3: better about the twenty twenty six Los Angeles Chargers than
[55:39] Speaker 3: I do about the Airs.
[55:40] Speaker 1: I think that's a fair take, A lot of fair takes.
[55:42] Speaker 1: Love the underrated players that you pick. Patrick, you'll be
[55:46] Speaker 1: back next week.
[55:49] Speaker 3: Hey, I love the opportunity to do this show with you, Greck,
[55:53] Speaker 3: and I hope nobody ever takes it away.
[55:56] Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more, and I feel
[55:59] Speaker 1: good about I feel good. Clay Ban to the Moon, Claymates,
[56:04] Speaker 1: the clay Bon Vivans.
[56:05] Speaker 3: It's not the name of the show, baby.
[56:08] Speaker 1: All the all the clay Bon fans are excited. They
[56:11] Speaker 1: should be excited about our next show too. I mean,
[56:13] Speaker 1: the shook ones out there can't get enough of Shook.
[56:15] Speaker 2: It's a two shook week. We're back on Wednesday.
[56:18] Speaker 3: Let's let's third yourself. Why shook

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