# Mailbag: Rookie Sleepers, Next Steps for Justin Herbert, 49ers Super Bowl Window, and More!

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 15 Jul 2026, 1 h 07 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal, Jourdan Rodrigue, and Patrick Claybon open up the NFL Daily mailbag and answer listener questions, including which rookie sleepers they’re most excited to watch, whether Justin Herbert can become a top ten quarterback, if the 49ers Super Bowl window is closing, who they like in the World Cup, and much more! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never get tired of
[0:08] Speaker 1: ranking things. I'm Greg Roosevelt here in the Chris Wesley
[0:11] Speaker 1: podcast studio with my friends Jordan rod Reeg and Patrick Clayband.
[0:17] Speaker 1: Little known fact for the listeners, this is the crew
[0:20] Speaker 1: of the first ever NFL Daily right here there.
[0:22] Speaker 2: It is symmetryg crew.
[0:26] Speaker 3: And you even almost hit Patrick in the face just now. Yes,
[0:30] Speaker 3: just like season two and just like season one.
[0:33] Speaker 1: My arms are flying around. And yes, there's not a
[0:37] Speaker 1: lot of news going on in the NFL, which is good.
[0:39] Speaker 1: It's the as I mentioned on Monday show, everyone checked
[0:42] Speaker 1: that out. We talked about the teams most likely to
[0:45] Speaker 1: climb the summit for the first time ever as champions.
[0:49] Speaker 1: I mentioned now we were nine days away from a
[0:52] Speaker 1: full team or teams two teams showing up for training game.
[0:55] Speaker 1: We are now eight days away as we are taping this.
[0:58] Speaker 1: But it's it's the last quiet week.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Yes.
[1:00] Speaker 1: The only thing really making news, Patrick, are rankings, off
[1:03] Speaker 1: season rankings, and we're not doing that today. We're doing
[1:06] Speaker 1: a mail bag. But I saw this, this tweet from
[1:08] Speaker 1: you on Blue Sky. Gonna rank the top ten off
[1:10] Speaker 1: season rankings based on a survey of people who rank things,
[1:15] Speaker 1: which as someone who's ranked a lot of things here,
[1:17] Speaker 1: that's it. I almost take it as a shot.
[1:19] Speaker 2: It's not a shot.
[1:20] Speaker 4: I'm going to utilize the resources available to me, which
[1:23] Speaker 4: is a few people who do rankings lists, okay, and
[1:26] Speaker 4: I'm going to have some rank the varied rankings lists
[1:29] Speaker 4: that we've seen, some of them which have inspired controversy
[1:33] Speaker 4: or controversy if you are.
[1:34] Speaker 1: I need some time to think about this, but I
[1:36] Speaker 1: actually would like to do I was.
[1:38] Speaker 3: Gonna say, I love that he's assuming that he will
[1:40] Speaker 3: be asked to do.
[1:42] Speaker 1: Of course, who else would be no, because it's only
[1:45] Speaker 1: going to be the top ten, So I got to
[1:46] Speaker 1: give love. You don't have to give any problems, but
[1:50] Speaker 1: I would like to.
[1:51] Speaker 3: You're lighting up just at the thought of another ranking project.
[1:55] Speaker 1: We don't have many left, and yes this is a
[1:58] Speaker 1: mail bag. We're going to start getting into our preseason
[2:01] Speaker 1: content looking ahead. We're gonna have Aaron shots on the
[2:04] Speaker 1: show coming up soon and his projections. It's really starting
[2:08] Speaker 1: to dive in. You know, we're gonna get into the
[2:09] Speaker 1: training camp battles. But for now, we asked for the
[2:12] Speaker 1: help of our our great listeners. Let's get to the mailbag.
[2:14] Speaker 1: Let's get to as many questions as we can before
[2:17] Speaker 1: Patrick gets back to his regular job. The daily host
[2:20] Speaker 1: of NFL Insiders on NFL Network saw I'm at the
[2:23] Speaker 1: gym last night while I was trying to burn off
[2:25] Speaker 1: that burn off that jet lag.
[2:28] Speaker 3: You know, Greg climbs mountain. Two days later, goes back
[2:31] Speaker 3: to Jim.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't be stopped.
[2:34] Speaker 1: Sh I just knew I was gonna be up till
[2:36] Speaker 1: five am, and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do
[2:38] Speaker 1: this at like nine. Charlie miss on Ig shout out
[2:41] Speaker 1: to the Instagram responses. Really good stuff there, asked listening
[2:46] Speaker 1: every day, big fan. That helps you get on the show.
[2:48] Speaker 1: By the way, if you give us a little bit
[2:50] Speaker 1: of love. Three rookies that people aren't talking about enough
[2:54] Speaker 1: this season, Why don't we start with Jordan here, but
[2:58] Speaker 1: we'll all get a turn.
[2:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:59] Speaker 3: I love this exercise. I love this question. This is
[3:02] Speaker 3: a really fun little dive into all the beat writer
[3:06] Speaker 3: reports and all of the draft analysis and all of
[3:09] Speaker 3: my personal favorites from the draft and seeing how they're doing.
[3:12] Speaker 3: I want to talk about Logan Jones, Okay at the center,
[3:16] Speaker 3: trying to compete with Garrett Bradbury for the starting center
[3:20] Speaker 3: job with the Chicago Bears right now apparently had a
[3:23] Speaker 3: really really good spring notepads, so we'll kind of hedge
[3:27] Speaker 3: that for a minute, but drawing really good reviews from
[3:29] Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, but worth.
[3:30] Speaker 1: Pointing out, like the Patriots, you know, traded a Super
[3:33] Speaker 1: Bowl starter for a reason. Yeah, Like that's the guy
[3:37] Speaker 1: that you could beat out.
[3:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you look at Eve I mean started
[3:41] Speaker 3: really sliding in Minnesota too. I mean it's really been
[3:44] Speaker 3: a little bit of a rough go of it for him,
[3:46] Speaker 3: and the fact that they're talking about this rookie as
[3:49] Speaker 3: a potential guy who's going to come in and start.
[3:51] Speaker 3: I don't think Ben Johnson is afraid to play young players.
[3:54] Speaker 3: He saw this with Audie Trappilo, who came in and
[3:56] Speaker 3: as a reserve role at first, but then really looked
[3:59] Speaker 3: like he could he could make some waves at the
[4:00] Speaker 3: tackle spot. The other player I want to talk about
[4:04] Speaker 3: who I don't think people are talking about enough another lineman,
[4:07] Speaker 3: because I don't think people are talking about linemen enough
[4:09] Speaker 3: in general. Maybe fair when they're coming in as rookies.
[4:12] Speaker 3: Jake Slaughter, the left guard a one of the coolest
[4:15] Speaker 3: names you can have if A you play football, B
[4:18] Speaker 3: you're a an offensive lineman for the Chargers, not only
[4:21] Speaker 3: because he's slotting into start immediately at left guard, but
[4:25] Speaker 3: also it is really, really, really really important that this
[4:28] Speaker 3: guy not only plays well but stays healthy because the
[4:31] Speaker 3: two tackles are coming back from the injuries that ended
[4:34] Speaker 3: their season last season. And also there's very little depth
[4:37] Speaker 3: behind him. In third, I'm not giving you guys anything.
[4:40] Speaker 1: I go for it.
[4:41] Speaker 3: And third, Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker for the Dolphins. This
[4:46] Speaker 3: is I was informed Luke Keekley's favorite prospect this year.
[4:51] Speaker 3: When he says something about a linebacker, I tend to listen.
[4:54] Speaker 1: But that's really like an undersized, fast, quote unquote instinctive linebacker.
[4:58] Speaker 3: Yeah he's I mean, he's got I got some good
[5:00] Speaker 3: size to him. Actually, And and I went back and
[5:02] Speaker 3: I watched his tape at Texas Tech, and I just think,
[5:06] Speaker 3: I mean, this this kid really hits soup, hits hard
[5:09] Speaker 3: and was drawing. Lindzerline comped him to potentially Carson Swessinger,
[5:14] Speaker 3: who had a great rookie season. I don't think the
[5:16] Speaker 3: Dolphins are going to be talked about much this season.
[5:20] Speaker 3: And I think there's gonna be some really good young.
[5:21] Speaker 1: Players from that. You love that Dolphins. You got a
[5:23] Speaker 1: lot right, You've got a lot of chips on the Dolphins.
[5:25] Speaker 3: I will be proven right about the Dolphins over the
[5:28] Speaker 3: long term. Maybe not this season, but over the long term.
[5:31] Speaker 1: Jake Slaughter too.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Uh.
[5:33] Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of people's favorite center in
[5:35] Speaker 1: the draft and then they're moving positions. That's raised some eyebrows.
[5:38] Speaker 1: But he's one of the more high leverage guys and
[5:40] Speaker 1: I picked a couple of those. Max Ianacher who's probably
[5:44] Speaker 1: gonna start at left tackle for the Steelers, and he's
[5:47] Speaker 1: a high ceiling, you know, prospect that people really love.
[5:51] Speaker 1: Then again, like a lot of top ten picks that
[5:53] Speaker 1: tackle have struggled in their rookie seasons. But if he,
[5:55] Speaker 1: if he hits that offensive line, could be great. But
[5:57] Speaker 1: if he if he struggles, like a lot of rookie tackles,
[6:01] Speaker 1: that could really hurt, you know, a playoff contending team.
[6:03] Speaker 1: Denzel Boston in Cleveland Browns offseason got a lot of notice.
[6:08] Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, Conception Own's good, they're gonna use him,
[6:10] Speaker 1: But Denzel Boston kind of profiling as potentially their wide
[6:14] Speaker 1: receiver one as a rookie, So that's pretty rare. I mean,
[6:17] Speaker 1: you never know, but he's got a chance. It's pretty
[6:19] Speaker 1: rare for a rookie to maybe be the best receiver
[6:21] Speaker 1: on the team. And then one of my draft loves CJ.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Allen for the Colts, who I think can step in
[6:26] Speaker 1: and make a big difference to the linebacker who's gonna
[6:29] Speaker 1: immediately step in and start for them.
[6:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mainly just focused on the guys that are
[6:33] Speaker 4: gonna be on contenders, like as much as I think
[6:35] Speaker 4: there could be more Caden Procerter discussion, shout out to
[6:38] Speaker 4: Jordan's chosen franchise of the of the Miami Dolphins. But
[6:42] Speaker 4: Blake Miller is expected to come in and kind of
[6:45] Speaker 4: be a guy on the team that's had a lot
[6:47] Speaker 4: of veterans produced on you know, Blake Miller drafted by
[6:51] Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions in that spot where they've had the
[6:53] Speaker 4: injuries and issues and retirements at tackle where they need
[6:56] Speaker 4: him and they're a team that wants to contend.
[7:00] Speaker 2: And then Ruben Bain.
[7:02] Speaker 4: So much discussion about ruben Bain before and during the
[7:05] Speaker 4: draft about arm length, and it feels like, you know,
[7:08] Speaker 4: and I can say this as one of the people
[7:10] Speaker 4: with the microphones. It's on TV five days a week
[7:12] Speaker 4: now because Patrick says yes to everything.
[7:14] Speaker 2: Is like, where is the ruben Bain hype and discussion
[7:18] Speaker 2: going right here?
[7:19] Speaker 3: Would you say it's shorter than expecting.
[7:21] Speaker 1: Also, you know Patrick's been on TV a lot. When
[7:25] Speaker 1: he starts going third person early in the show, I went,
[7:28] Speaker 1: good person, you're feeling you're feeling yourself home?
[7:30] Speaker 2: Good?
[7:30] Speaker 1: Well, I just you're the face of NFL network, right.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Stop it. That's that's that's insanity.
[7:36] Speaker 1: You're a face that's on NFL network.
[7:38] Speaker 2: Yes, I do have a face.
[7:41] Speaker 1: Uh.
[7:41] Speaker 4: And we still have the branding and Caleb downs for
[7:45] Speaker 4: all of these Yes, it's like overwrought and Cowboys this
[7:49] Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, so this guy is really good
[7:52] Speaker 4: and he's gonna come in and fix this defense and
[7:53] Speaker 4: make It's just assumed to the extent that like I
[7:57] Speaker 4: haven't felt any conversation. There's more conversation about the coordinator
[8:00] Speaker 4: and the god that's gonna be on the field plan.
[8:01] Speaker 1: We'll be exciting to see him. We might be going
[8:03] Speaker 1: up to Cowboys training camp. Maybe we'll see him in person.
[8:06] Speaker 1: All right. Our next question is from Cheese Tony. We
[8:09] Speaker 1: actually got a couple of questions about Jordan Love and
[8:12] Speaker 1: his rankings, and so I decided to put them in
[8:15] Speaker 1: this one's representing it. What is it about Jordan Love?
[8:19] Speaker 1: Number seventy two in the NFL's top one hundred, left
[8:21] Speaker 1: off the ESPN Top ten quarterbacks list, which is kind
[8:24] Speaker 1: of a compilation of executives from around the league, anonymous executives.
[8:29] Speaker 1: He didn't make their top ten. Is there a Packers
[8:31] Speaker 1: tax on Jordan Love because they quote did it again?
[8:36] Speaker 1: I don't think that's the reason why. I definitely, if anything,
[8:40] Speaker 1: the Packers get more attention than most. We had them
[8:44] Speaker 1: ninth when we drafted quarterbacks, So to me, it's like there,
[8:49] Speaker 1: I would I think it's a solid top nine and
[8:51] Speaker 1: that he's in it for what it's worth, but we're not.
[8:53] Speaker 1: It's no crime that he's like outside of like the
[8:56] Speaker 1: top ten here, I do think for whatever reason, and
[9:00] Speaker 1: he has the reputation of a guy who makes a
[9:02] Speaker 1: lot of big mistakes, and yet that reputation just was
[9:05] Speaker 1: not born out on the field last year and people
[9:07] Speaker 1: are a year behind catching up to the development that
[9:09] Speaker 1: he had specifically in twenty five.
[9:11] Speaker 3: I do I do note though that the question was
[9:14] Speaker 3: about these other two rankings, not yours. I thought you
[9:17] Speaker 3: had him put fairly in your right.
[9:19] Speaker 1: But my point is sort of like, oh, they left
[9:21] Speaker 1: him off the top ten qbs. But it's like we
[9:23] Speaker 1: had him ninth, and I think that was like the
[9:25] Speaker 1: perfect spot for him. He could have been eight, could
[9:27] Speaker 1: have been nine, like you know what I mean. So
[9:28] Speaker 1: it's like two more spots. It's not a big deal.
[9:31] Speaker 3: I mean, I think I do think it's a big
[9:32] Speaker 3: deal when you think about like leaving him out of
[9:34] Speaker 3: a discussion of who is in the top third of
[9:36] Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL, because I absolutely think that Jordan
[9:39] Speaker 3: Love is in the discussion of the top third of
[9:42] Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL. I have maybe a more logical take,
[9:46] Speaker 3: and I also have a Galaxy brain take, which, okay,
[9:48] Speaker 3: you guys like first Galaxy, oy, Galaxy, Okay, let me
[9:56] Speaker 3: see Galaxy First. Let's say if I can walk the
[9:58] Speaker 3: line here. No, my Galaxy brain take is I think
[10:01] Speaker 3: that overall, when a team underperforms relative to expectation, not
[10:07] Speaker 3: only is the quarterback punished, but sometimes the quarterback is
[10:10] Speaker 3: also punished for the coach. Right, They're not grading coaches, right,
[10:15] Speaker 3: they're not saying who are the top ten coaches in
[10:17] Speaker 3: the NFL right now? They're asking about quarterbacks. Well, if
[10:19] Speaker 3: the quarterback is the extension of the head coach and
[10:22] Speaker 3: offensive play caller here, sometimes I would just say the
[10:26] Speaker 3: intrinsic or subconscious bias when you are asking anonymous people
[10:31] Speaker 3: to say things and not worrying about putting their name
[10:33] Speaker 3: on them, then you, as a evaluator or as a
[10:37] Speaker 3: rival or a competitor of said team that's watching them
[10:40] Speaker 3: underperform relative to expectation, maybe are going to project a
[10:44] Speaker 3: little bit and maybe the quarterback gets punished a little
[10:47] Speaker 3: bit more than for the entire team's shortcomings, and that
[10:51] Speaker 3: does include the defense in this case. My more logical
[10:55] Speaker 3: take is, I just think people have a tendency to
[10:59] Speaker 3: firefly toward big mistakes and they crave a succession of
[11:05] Speaker 3: it factor moments. Now, I think, as someone who watched
[11:07] Speaker 3: every single snap of Jordan Love, especially last season, like
[11:10] Speaker 3: I do think he has enough big moments. There are
[11:13] Speaker 3: mistakes too, There are there is some streakiness, and sometimes
[11:16] Speaker 3: the throwing angles don't necessarily look like how could he
[11:19] Speaker 3: possibly make that throw work? And then it works?
[11:21] Speaker 1: Right?
[11:22] Speaker 3: So I think that if you are just looking at
[11:23] Speaker 3: him just a very smaller a smaller sample size, or
[11:26] Speaker 3: if you're not necessarily looking at everything down to down,
[11:29] Speaker 3: snap to snap in the totality of what he is
[11:32] Speaker 3: playing with and all of the circumstances of the game
[11:36] Speaker 3: and the team, then yeah, I think that anyone is
[11:39] Speaker 3: going to be knocked down a little bit more. I
[11:41] Speaker 3: think that Jordan Love is a top ten quarterback. I
[11:43] Speaker 3: think he should be in the top ten on any
[11:45] Speaker 3: list because I think he is in the top third.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Of So you have him over Caleb and jaredy NFL, Well,
[11:52] Speaker 1: you have to tell who's who's like, for instance, on
[11:54] Speaker 1: the ESPN list. Yeah, it doesn't seem too objectionable, like
[11:57] Speaker 1: Herbert and May and dak are ahead of course not okay,
[12:00] Speaker 1: So then it's Goff and Caleb on that specific list
[12:04] Speaker 1: that you would bump out.
[12:05] Speaker 3: I'm going to put him over Caleb for now because
[12:07] Speaker 3: and maybe even Gough because I just think that the
[12:09] Speaker 3: high the ceilings are that much are so high with him.
[12:13] Speaker 1: Those would be the two idea. And I don't know
[12:15] Speaker 1: if they put the honorable mentions in order, but they
[12:16] Speaker 1: had Darnald and Daniels next.
[12:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm with the the logical view of Jordan
[12:23] Speaker 4: In terms of the way that people evaluate things, a
[12:26] Speaker 4: lot of it comes down to.
[12:28] Speaker 2: The apparent talent that we can see on the field.
[12:32] Speaker 4: It would be very much more punitive for Jordan Love
[12:34] Speaker 4: to go in to a game in you know, in
[12:38] Speaker 4: the playoffs in Denver and have the turnovers that Josh
[12:41] Speaker 4: Allen had. But because he's Josh Allen and we can
[12:43] Speaker 4: see him do all these other things that are clear
[12:45] Speaker 4: to people who might have never seen anybody play football,
[12:48] Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, well there's these problems, but I
[12:51] Speaker 4: can see that when Jordan Love does things, he either
[12:53] Speaker 4: makes them look so easy or lackadaisical. There's all the
[12:56] Speaker 4: fade away passes. He gets punished for that. And also
[12:59] Speaker 4: a lot of these off season polls are just analysis
[13:02] Speaker 4: of recency bias itself, Like that's how Lamar ends up
[13:06] Speaker 4: at sixty nine. And to be completely fair to the
[13:08] Speaker 4: folks who administrate the top one hundred, it's not people
[13:11] Speaker 4: getting every single player in the NFL, locking him in
[13:14] Speaker 4: the room and saying, okay, rank, yeah, these players relative
[13:17] Speaker 4: to one another one through one hundred. They get a
[13:19] Speaker 4: list of ten they put Dames down and the math calculates.
[13:22] Speaker 1: However, I think it's I think it's twenty and they
[13:25] Speaker 1: do it during the season.
[13:26] Speaker 3: They do it during the season, and they also don't
[13:28] Speaker 3: get ballots from everybody. And that's again with a lot
[13:30] Speaker 3: of respect for the effort they're trying to do here.
[13:32] Speaker 3: That's a tough thing to do, is get everybody to
[13:34] Speaker 3: something at one time during a football season. But yeah,
[13:38] Speaker 3: to your point, Patrick, I do think that, like I
[13:41] Speaker 3: I think the NFL one hundred is entertaining. I don't
[13:45] Speaker 3: know that we're like we should be thinking about people's
[13:47] Speaker 3: legacy relative to where most.
[13:49] Speaker 1: Of the time of tell what time of the season
[13:51] Speaker 1: that it's administered, which I've found is I think it's
[13:55] Speaker 1: like October November. It's like Lamar Jackson just didn't happen
[13:57] Speaker 1: to be playing football at that point.
[13:59] Speaker 4: So that's why if if I had access to NFL
[14:02] Speaker 4: executives anonymously, I may ask them about how they feel
[14:06] Speaker 4: about certain metrics or systems that we use to evaluate
[14:09] Speaker 4: quarterbacks and then use that to assemble some sort of
[14:12] Speaker 4: model where if I'm the ranker, I'm not passing the
[14:15] Speaker 4: buck onto these unknown names and faces that you know
[14:18] Speaker 4: to be perfectly honest, I'm sitting next to two friends
[14:20] Speaker 4: were affiliated with the league, like it could be anybody,
[14:24] Speaker 4: and then just put put all the data out there
[14:26] Speaker 4: and show us how you're ranking these quarterbacks.
[14:28] Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of analytics talk
[14:31] Speaker 1: right now in the NBA. You know, these executives not
[14:36] Speaker 1: too worried about the numbers, because the numbers would tell you,
[14:39] Speaker 1: Jordan Love it was right behind the two MVP candidates,
[14:44] Speaker 1: probably best statistical quarterback in the league. All right. The
[14:47] Speaker 1: next question, I like this one from Joe Bert on
[14:50] Speaker 1: Blue Sky Falcons. Why the Falcons? Will the Falcons? If
[14:57] Speaker 1: the Falcons? Who Falcons? And my answer is no, the Falcons.
[15:03] Speaker 4: My answer is yes the Falcon because of my affinity
[15:06] Speaker 4: with the people of Georgia and specifically Atlanta. It's a
[15:09] Speaker 4: franchise that's been through a lot, that's seen a lot
[15:11] Speaker 4: and experienced a lot. Why the Falcons because they're a
[15:15] Speaker 4: football team in a great place with great people. If
[15:19] Speaker 4: the Falcons, that's generally the question, and I don't have
[15:23] Speaker 4: an exceedtion.
[15:23] Speaker 1: I think if it was a multiple choice question, the
[15:26] Speaker 1: answer actually would be why the Falcons. The next question,
[15:29] Speaker 1: what NFL player would be the best sumo wrestler. I think,
[15:34] Speaker 1: you know, I framed this question as that I just,
[15:38] Speaker 1: you know, I had the picture of me on fuji,
[15:40] Speaker 1: so there were a lot of Japanese themed questions. I
[15:43] Speaker 1: went and checked the average sumo wrestlers about three hundred
[15:46] Speaker 1: and fifty pounds. But there's some that are much bigger,
[15:50] Speaker 1: and there are some like slightly skinnier guys that you're like,
[15:54] Speaker 1: how are they going to do it? They don't usually
[15:55] Speaker 1: do that well, but but they they're up there. Anyone
[15:59] Speaker 1: stand out to you, Jordan.
[16:01] Speaker 3: Well, I'm thinking more like quickness and leverage, right, so
[16:05] Speaker 3: I'm thinking interior offensive lineman. I think that's the typical
[16:09] Speaker 3: you know you big guys playing position. Big guys are
[16:12] Speaker 3: sumer wrestling. But I'm more thinking of like power speed
[16:17] Speaker 3: to power footwork. I'm gonna go Miles Garrett here because
[16:21] Speaker 3: I mean, you try stopping that sort of leverage attack.
[16:24] Speaker 3: If Jason Kelcey was still playing, I would probably say
[16:26] Speaker 3: that particular you know, size and height combination and that
[16:32] Speaker 3: I think I just, I mean, he was too small
[16:34] Speaker 3: his whole career.
[16:35] Speaker 1: Greg, Yeah, Oh, I think Garrett is a great choice
[16:40] Speaker 1: because if you get Garrett into the sumo program, you know,
[16:43] Speaker 1: they all live together, they eat a certain type of food.
[16:46] Speaker 1: You can even go there and kind of sample like
[16:48] Speaker 1: what the sumos like. He would have to transform his
[16:51] Speaker 1: body in a way actually that I think most Western
[16:55] Speaker 1: ideals of beauty would say would be a downgrade, like
[16:58] Speaker 1: he would need to add a little, but he absolutely could.
[17:01] Speaker 1: He would have the frame and the athleticism would the
[17:03] Speaker 1: sumos have, it would still be there. That made me
[17:05] Speaker 1: think of, you know, more like how they are now.
[17:09] Speaker 1: I thought more, yeah, offensive lineman, like a mylotta you
[17:12] Speaker 1: would you would think would be. But I also thought, like,
[17:16] Speaker 1: who are the best run stoppers? I think that would
[17:18] Speaker 1: because it's basically who cannot get moved?
[17:21] Speaker 3: Thinking short people who afford.
[17:23] Speaker 1: Derek Brown, I think would be an interesting choice, like
[17:28] Speaker 1: the most I mean, I don't know. I'm no sumo expert,
[17:30] Speaker 1: but I did go last year with Andrew Siciliano, and
[17:32] Speaker 1: I do watch it now. I think not being able
[17:35] Speaker 1: to be moved is like the number one thing you
[17:37] Speaker 1: can have.
[17:38] Speaker 4: Well, it's just the dimensions of the playing surfaces are
[17:40] Speaker 4: so different, and I think being able to have that
[17:43] Speaker 4: explosive long speed is a place where we prioritize somebody
[17:47] Speaker 4: like Miles Garrett, or maybe that's not necessarily the advantage
[17:51] Speaker 4: because by the time you turn that corner for Miles Garrett,
[17:53] Speaker 4: you're sixteen feet outside of the playing surface. For sumo wrestlers,
[17:57] Speaker 4: I did delve into the numbers because the average weight
[18:00] Speaker 4: for champions and this year's events in Tokyo and Osaka
[18:03] Speaker 4: was under three hundred and ten pounds. Really, and Mason
[18:07] Speaker 4: Graham has a storied Wow high school wrestling history. It
[18:11] Speaker 4: was an early and rollee at Michigan, and I think financially,
[18:14] Speaker 4: the way things play out, it's not beneficial for guys
[18:17] Speaker 4: to have that sustained dual sport career once they get
[18:20] Speaker 4: into college. But Lorenzo O'Neil shout out to Lorenzo O'Neil
[18:23] Speaker 4: finished seventh in the NCAA's his senior year in a
[18:26] Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy five pound weight class. So I
[18:30] Speaker 4: think there are some positions stylistically as the game has changed,
[18:34] Speaker 4: maybe we've left behind some people who would have been
[18:36] Speaker 4: able to play very well.
[18:38] Speaker 3: This makes me think, now I had no idea. This
[18:40] Speaker 3: is breaking news to me that under three ten is
[18:43] Speaker 3: now the sort of going rate for champions.
[18:45] Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's just it.
[18:47] Speaker 3: Begs the question. Is sumo wrestling getting moneyballed?
[18:51] Speaker 1: You know, I wonder. I don't know enough. You know,
[18:56] Speaker 1: we got a cute a few of the yakazuna's right now.
[18:59] Speaker 1: You know that are at the higher level. You got
[19:01] Speaker 1: to win a certain amount of tournaments to get there.
[19:04] Speaker 1: Those they're big boys. I would guess they're well over
[19:07] Speaker 1: three ten. I think Quinn Minors would be a good
[19:11] Speaker 1: one at bally going Twinton Nelson, I just think, yeah,
[19:15] Speaker 1: explosive guard play for some reason. Stuff out to me.
[19:18] Speaker 1: Are we going to see Justin Herbert turn into a
[19:22] Speaker 1: top ten quarterback this year? This is from AJJ forty
[19:26] Speaker 1: six on Blue Sky. I'm only mentioning this one because
[19:29] Speaker 1: it sort of was such a slide dig that I
[19:32] Speaker 1: had to approve it, and I was like, is this
[19:35] Speaker 1: a dig? And then I noticed there was a winking
[19:37] Speaker 1: emoji from AJJ forty six, So I see what you're
[19:40] Speaker 1: doing there?
[19:40] Speaker 2: Are we?
[19:41] Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she's a Herbert hater,
[19:43] Speaker 1: but she is a clay Bon Bond. Yeah, clay Bond Vivon.
[19:47] Speaker 1: I went and checked out her profile to see because
[19:49] Speaker 1: I was seeing like was this a Raiders fan or something?
[19:51] Speaker 1: I think it was an Eagles fan.
[19:53] Speaker 3: She is, but she is a great, great listener, super
[19:57] Speaker 3: nice and we appreciate she listens to the show. She
[20:02] Speaker 3: gives us feedback, and that is hilarious because I do
[20:04] Speaker 3: think she's I think it's a dig at the commentary,
[20:07] Speaker 3: you know. I think it's a dig at the at
[20:09] Speaker 3: the conversation that often.
[20:10] Speaker 4: Happens, and it attaches on to the Justin Herbert if memes. Yeah,
[20:14] Speaker 4: where you know it's you know, fans and supporters of
[20:16] Speaker 4: other quarterbacks and then they say, like the if man
[20:18] Speaker 4: comes up and there's all these graphics in associated But
[20:21] Speaker 4: I think like in terms of the outcomes, he has
[20:24] Speaker 4: a successful year into turning it back to like peak
[20:28] Speaker 4: Brandon Staley time where the.
[20:30] Speaker 2: Chargers were on top of the world.
[20:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a peak Brandon Staley time at one point,
[20:36] Speaker 4: and they're making all these fourth down conversions and everything
[20:38] Speaker 4: is everything is going well, Like they could have a
[20:41] Speaker 4: like to go from a Greg Roman offense to something
[20:44] Speaker 4: that is within the tree. I think is such a
[20:47] Speaker 4: leap forward in terms of football ideology that that you know,
[20:51] Speaker 4: things are gonna be better.
[20:51] Speaker 2: Maybe the if memes will go.
[20:53] Speaker 1: I thought Herbert was great last year. I thought it
[20:54] Speaker 1: was a great season. I really think the two seasons
[20:56] Speaker 1: under Harbaugh have been great. And then the worst games
[20:59] Speaker 1: he's played have been in the playoffs, which is a
[21:01] Speaker 1: pretty significant thing to consider, Like he was legit bad
[21:04] Speaker 1: in those playoff games, but other than that, he was
[21:06] Speaker 1: certainly a top ten quarterback. But I like what you
[21:08] Speaker 1: did there, AJJ. How concerned are you with Washington's offense
[21:12] Speaker 1: right now? This is from the Outback QB podcast on Instagram.
[21:15] Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't talked a lot about Washington's offense,
[21:19] Speaker 1: and so I thought it'd be a good time to
[21:22] Speaker 1: do that.
[21:23] Speaker 4: We'll get to see David Blau in his first time
[21:26] Speaker 4: calling plays with a quarterback that we thought could be
[21:29] Speaker 4: the future of the NFL. I think it's quiet because
[21:31] Speaker 4: we just have no idea and no expectations. After Dan
[21:34] Speaker 4: Quinn kind of seemingly clean's house everywhere. What what are
[21:39] Speaker 4: the out.
[21:39] Speaker 1: I see like the Commanders fans are mad with the
[21:41] Speaker 1: Jaydon Daniels rankings after this. To me, that's just about injuries,
[21:45] Speaker 1: Like can he stay on the field? And he won
[21:47] Speaker 1: in a very unique offense in his rookie year that
[21:51] Speaker 1: his second year he wasn't as effective in. But I
[21:53] Speaker 1: think the offense as a whole, it's a fair question.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Like they like their offensive line, we'll see. I mean,
[21:58] Speaker 1: you have Larry M. Tunzel, you have seen him. You
[22:00] Speaker 1: have talented players, but it's a new offense. If you're
[22:03] Speaker 1: just ranking, if we were doing another you know ranking
[22:06] Speaker 1: of like skill position talent, and you're not counting quarterback
[22:11] Speaker 1: like you're you're just counting running backs, wide receivers, tight ends.
[22:15] Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty bottom group. It's got to
[22:17] Speaker 1: be bottom eight. McLaurin as you're one, you have no
[22:20] Speaker 1: clue who your number two is. It could be Daomie Brown,
[22:22] Speaker 1: it could be the rookie Antonio Williams. You're running backs
[22:25] Speaker 1: Rashad White and Corey Krofsky, Merritt. We like Bill, but
[22:28] Speaker 1: you know Chico Konquos solid at titan, John Bates like.
[22:31] Speaker 1: But it's a lot of questions. I think it's a
[22:33] Speaker 1: fair question to ask that this team in general, to
[22:35] Speaker 1: me is a mystery box.
[22:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. Actually I could buy that their offensive
[22:40] Speaker 3: line might would take a step forward right in terms
[22:43] Speaker 3: they just were they were so banged up, and Cosme
[22:45] Speaker 3: has been banged up, and so getting some stability back
[22:49] Speaker 3: I think will be fine. Obviously, you know, Jaden Daniels
[22:52] Speaker 3: coming back healthy does a lot just to give you
[22:56] Speaker 3: a threat against the defense. But then it's like, outside
[22:59] Speaker 3: of McLaury and like seven slot receivers, who is he
[23:03] Speaker 3: throwing to? How are they going to affect defenses in
[23:06] Speaker 3: a way that really does have depth and dimension. That's
[23:08] Speaker 3: obviously David Blow, new offensive coordinator's problem to sort out.
[23:12] Speaker 3: And then they're gonna ask a lot like they always do,
[23:14] Speaker 3: it seems like to me from their tight ends. But
[23:17] Speaker 3: and I've been a Chico Kong Quo fan, even though
[23:19] Speaker 3: he took a step back in production, I've been a
[23:22] Speaker 3: fan of his. It could be a big year for him.
[23:25] Speaker 3: But it's also like, okay, so are you gonna just
[23:27] Speaker 3: continue to roll out the same things that Cliff Kingsbury
[23:30] Speaker 3: was doing with John Bates and then Zach Ertz. That
[23:34] Speaker 3: was effective to a time, but it really depended on
[23:37] Speaker 3: Anthony Lynn's impact and that run game getting off the
[23:40] Speaker 3: ground the way that it did back before. You know,
[23:43] Speaker 3: Bill's breakout season last year and all of that. So
[23:46] Speaker 3: I just have so many questions. I just I want
[23:49] Speaker 3: to see it. I think we'll get a lot of
[23:50] Speaker 3: answers really quickly from this group. But good or bad.
[23:54] Speaker 3: But I just I have I have a lot of
[23:56] Speaker 3: more so on the fence, questions about pretty much every position.
[24:01] Speaker 1: HI variance group. I mean they could have they have
[24:03] Speaker 1: a high ceiling because they could have a top five
[24:06] Speaker 1: to six quarterback and David Blou could be the next guy.
[24:09] Speaker 1: He's not exactly in the tree, but he's basically part
[24:12] Speaker 1: of the tree. That's the type of offense that he
[24:13] Speaker 1: wants to run.
[24:14] Speaker 4: I just wonder with all the you know, because the
[24:16] Speaker 4: constant Brandon ayukub at all this offseason, why not Stefan Diggs.
[24:21] Speaker 2: Why not just go ahead and get that done? Get
[24:22] Speaker 2: him in there?
[24:23] Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me. Have yourself a solid too, That makes sense.
[24:26] Speaker 1: Here's a question, what is the most thing I'm most
[24:30] Speaker 1: grateful for from my trip to Japan? And what is
[24:35] Speaker 1: the best thing I ate the most grateful? You know,
[24:40] Speaker 1: it's cliche, but it's just like the most concentrated family
[24:42] Speaker 1: time I get. I get to be roommates with my
[24:44] Speaker 1: daughter Ellis, who is the coolest person, and best writer
[24:47] Speaker 1: I know, so just the way the rooms line up,
[24:50] Speaker 1: and my in laws, like me and Ellis are are roommates,
[24:52] Speaker 1: and it's cool that she's still cool being roommates with,
[24:55] Speaker 1: you know, with her dad. But the best thing I
[24:58] Speaker 1: ate I did want to tell this story was on
[25:00] Speaker 1: the very top of Mount Fuji. I got we got.
[25:05] Speaker 1: We got there for some reason. We got the hut
[25:07] Speaker 1: at the very top, which was actually like I guess
[25:09] Speaker 1: a little bit of a rookie move, so you know,
[25:11] Speaker 1: you got to climb the whole thing basically quickly. You
[25:13] Speaker 1: got to get up there. I had to almost like
[25:16] Speaker 1: you're supposed to be there by six to get your
[25:18] Speaker 1: dinner or else the kitchen closes supposedly, so I literally
[25:22] Speaker 1: like kind of raced at the very end to get it.
[25:24] Speaker 2: You know.
[25:24] Speaker 1: I was with my friend and his and his son,
[25:27] Speaker 1: and they were like, you should just go up there,
[25:29] Speaker 1: like you're feeling better than us, get up there and
[25:31] Speaker 1: make sure like we're good to still get it. It
[25:33] Speaker 1: was fine. You could have showed up late. People were
[25:34] Speaker 1: shot up seven thirty eight. It's like climbing a mountain.
[25:37] Speaker 1: They just say that to like make you hurried up.
[25:38] Speaker 1: But we got there. And we hadn't pre paid for
[25:41] Speaker 1: the dinner, which was curry, and most everyone is just
[25:44] Speaker 1: buying like five dollars ramen. Those are your only options.
[25:47] Speaker 1: You know, there's no lake, not a lot going on
[25:49] Speaker 1: up there. But they do offer for five, you know,
[25:54] Speaker 1: thousand yen or fifty thousand yen, which is like, you know,
[25:56] Speaker 1: fifty bucks or whatever, some munagi, some eel, and it's
[26:01] Speaker 1: the only place on the entire mountain that took credit cards.
[26:04] Speaker 1: Was there because and I well, at that point we
[26:06] Speaker 1: did not bring enough cash and we needed to save
[26:08] Speaker 1: that cash for the next day for water, and we
[26:12] Speaker 1: still did not have enough, which was a big mistake.
[26:15] Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'll get in that unagi. I'm only
[26:18] Speaker 1: gonna be on that who knows how long I'll be there.
[26:20] Speaker 1: And they were so excited. They're like, oh, they like
[26:23] Speaker 1: you made a good decision. And when they brought it
[26:26] Speaker 1: out and gave it to me, it's a beautiful looking eel,
[26:29] Speaker 1: you know, over rice. Everyone else is just eating their
[26:31] Speaker 1: ramen or whatever. They came out and the entire kitchen
[26:34] Speaker 1: crew cheered for me and said some sort of chance
[26:37] Speaker 1: and they were like, you are the first person to
[26:40] Speaker 1: order the Onagi this year, like thank you and congratulation,
[26:46] Speaker 1: enjoy and they all cheered and there was almost like
[26:48] Speaker 1: a little chance. I'm not even sure what was going
[26:50] Speaker 1: on there, but I was like, I will remember this
[26:53] Speaker 1: moment for the rest of my life, like fucking incredible.
[26:56] Speaker 3: I wonder what everyone else in the restaurant thought.
[26:59] Speaker 1: They were pissed should have been. And it was the
[27:01] Speaker 1: first day it was open. We went up on the
[27:02] Speaker 1: first day it was open. That that was why I
[27:04] Speaker 1: was so close to what I left and everything. And uh,
[27:08] Speaker 1: I was the only person to order that day. And
[27:09] Speaker 1: I think the next morning because we had made a
[27:12] Speaker 1: mistake we didn't pre order like the meals. We hadn't
[27:15] Speaker 1: gotten it and pre ordered any breakfast or anything. And
[27:18] Speaker 1: the guy who took my Unagi order saw me the
[27:20] Speaker 1: next morning. I think he just liked me so much
[27:22] Speaker 1: from ordering it, he just gave me a free breakfast.
[27:25] Speaker 4: That that is so the other diners like the the
[27:32] Speaker 4: the sense of regret that you get when somebody walks
[27:35] Speaker 4: by with like a.
[27:35] Speaker 2: Hot plate of fajitas in the restaurant.
[27:37] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, bad order. Yeah, the absolute most of that.
[27:41] Speaker 4: People climbed all of the mountain. Yeah, And then you
[27:44] Speaker 4: get the applause.
[27:45] Speaker 3: That's next time you summit Mount Fuji, you see your
[27:49] Speaker 3: photo in the restaurant or the eel, and then it
[27:54] Speaker 3: just be Greg's picture.
[27:56] Speaker 1: I also had like the best tasting. He had an
[27:58] Speaker 1: actual restaurant with my father, and yeah, do it up
[28:01] Speaker 1: if you ever go. Next question, who you guys are
[28:06] Speaker 1: supporting for the World Cup? Now this this could be
[28:08] Speaker 1: out of date because Spain is leading as we're taping this.
[28:12] Speaker 1: I apologize for taping a show in the middle of
[28:15] Speaker 1: the World Cup. It's too nothing. I think that that
[28:17] Speaker 1: sounds like we got an upset on our hand. So
[28:19] Speaker 1: let's let's figure Spain wins that thing. There's three teams
[28:23] Speaker 1: left as we're taping, who are you rooting for?
[28:25] Speaker 2: It's coming home? Greg? Come on, you're asking me want
[28:31] Speaker 2: to pick Argentina.
[28:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can pick Spain.
[28:34] Speaker 1: You could pick Spain.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll go let's go with the comeback here.
[28:39] Speaker 1: Okay, you could be a big enough messy fan that
[28:43] Speaker 1: you just look past all. There are plenty of those
[28:46] Speaker 1: out there, and I get it, you love greatness.
[28:50] Speaker 3: No, no, I think I'm rooting for two of the
[28:53] Speaker 3: three remaining temes to just have a good time.
[28:56] Speaker 1: I'm so small literally and figure itively that even though
[29:01] Speaker 1: I like have so many friends that are British, there
[29:04] Speaker 1: is a part of me that like enjoys them being
[29:07] Speaker 1: like the Charlie Brown and getting the ball pulled away
[29:10] Speaker 1: at the last second. So like, I wouldn't hate it
[29:12] Speaker 1: if we just had a great final, but Spain wins.
[29:14] Speaker 1: I don't have a lot emotionally at Steak, and I
[29:16] Speaker 1: feel bad about that. I should care about my friends.
[29:19] Speaker 4: No, I think if it does come home and you know,
[29:22] Speaker 4: be those that enjoy their time in the British media
[29:27] Speaker 4: rude and disrespectful and dismissive to Jude Bellingham, we'll have
[29:30] Speaker 4: to spend at least two weeks pretending like he's a
[29:33] Speaker 4: decent and valuable athlete.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Then I would be happy, though for Ally Connelly, I
[29:38] Speaker 1: mean I would be happy to remember of the show,
[29:40] Speaker 1: Nat Coombs, my friend will Gab you know, yeah, Data
[29:44] Speaker 1: be over the moon.
[29:45] Speaker 3: I am an incredibly sappy person, you guys now know,
[29:50] Speaker 3: and I there is something that makes my heart just
[29:53] Speaker 3: swell a little bit when I hear them saying hey Jude,
[29:57] Speaker 3: after Jude Bellingham does something amazing. I love chance you
[30:01] Speaker 3: know when they're not hideously offensive, of course, and I
[30:05] Speaker 3: love that England's got songs for everything, and they've got
[30:08] Speaker 3: their little you know, their inside jokes that are born
[30:10] Speaker 3: of pain over many many years. I don't know if
[30:14] Speaker 3: I could fully commit I think that Spain, if you know,
[30:18] Speaker 3: I had a moment when I was I was taking something.
[30:21] Speaker 3: I took a lot of time off. It was wonderful.
[30:24] Speaker 3: And I was watching Spain play at one point, and
[30:28] Speaker 3: they have this player. I'm gonna I'm so sorry to
[30:30] Speaker 3: the fans abroad if I butcher the name of Lamina
[30:32] Speaker 3: Mal who is young and his footwork is insane, and
[30:36] Speaker 3: had I had drank an ipa. So I was feeling
[30:38] Speaker 3: like a little slower than the rest of the world
[30:40] Speaker 3: in general. And I was watching some of his footwork
[30:43] Speaker 3: and I found myself I was standing like a like
[30:47] Speaker 3: a coach watching a team from the sideline five inches
[30:52] Speaker 3: from my TV, staring at this guy as he was
[30:55] Speaker 3: just the footwork and the quickness and the speed, and
[31:00] Speaker 3: it blew my mind. And then I started laughing at
[31:02] Speaker 3: myself because I recognized how ridiculous I must have looked.
[31:05] Speaker 3: And now I'm sharing it with all of you. So
[31:07] Speaker 3: I just I'm having fun watching them play.
[31:09] Speaker 1: I know it's sad. It is sad uh that it's ending.
[31:12] Speaker 1: I was there was a little bit of a negative
[31:14] Speaker 1: being over in Japan. Yeah right here, like the time
[31:16] Speaker 1: zone matched up so perfect. But a lot of my
[31:18] Speaker 1: mornings I'll remember this trip of waking up and watching
[31:21] Speaker 1: like the second half of a World Cup game. It's
[31:23] Speaker 1: already gone.
[31:23] Speaker 2: It was.
[31:24] Speaker 1: It was a beautiful thing. Let's take a quick break
[31:26] Speaker 1: and we'll hit many more football questions after the break
[31:31] Speaker 1: instead of football back on NFL Daily, rolling through your
[31:47] Speaker 1: mail bag questions. Oh George on Instagram asks what is
[31:52] Speaker 1: your biggest head coach? What if you could take you
[31:56] Speaker 1: could interpret this in any way you want?
[31:58] Speaker 2: Patrick?
[31:59] Speaker 3: Uh?
[31:59] Speaker 4: Well, the biggest one I think, because I think he
[32:02] Speaker 4: will go down as the best to ever do it
[32:03] Speaker 4: is what if the Eagles never fired Andy Reid?
[32:06] Speaker 2: Ah, I think the.
[32:09] Speaker 4: Lity of things that happened after that, You know, who
[32:11] Speaker 4: knows if things line up and they get these these
[32:14] Speaker 4: super bowls.
[32:15] Speaker 2: But that that's my big what if.
[32:17] Speaker 4: And then recently, if we make it more recent, if
[32:20] Speaker 4: Ben Johnson had agreed to take the Colt's job in
[32:22] Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Wow, would they have drafted Anthony Richardson?
[32:26] Speaker 4: Would they have taken Will Levis? H Would you know?
[32:31] Speaker 4: Psycham was able to work magic as Gardner Minshew got
[32:33] Speaker 4: away with it as the season went on, but eventually
[32:35] Speaker 4: he couldn't get away with it any longer, messed up their pick.
[32:37] Speaker 4: The twenty twenty four draft class was incredible. Who would
[32:40] Speaker 4: they have gotten out of that?
[32:41] Speaker 1: It was?
[32:42] Speaker 2: That was a big one.
[32:43] Speaker 1: The Any Reid thing is is crazy because I remember
[32:46] Speaker 1: covering that at the time, and it actually did feel
[32:49] Speaker 1: like it was time. I think he sort of wanted
[32:51] Speaker 1: out for what you know. Now they could have nurtured
[32:53] Speaker 1: that relationship in a different way, but it was one
[32:56] Speaker 1: of those things. Even as it was happening, it was
[32:58] Speaker 1: like this guy's want of the greatest coaches ever, and
[33:01] Speaker 1: yet I understand why this is happening. Maybe they would
[33:04] Speaker 1: have had to maybe choose Andy over Howie or the
[33:06] Speaker 1: kind of the structure that it was going on there,
[33:09] Speaker 1: But it did feel like time. My I love those
[33:11] Speaker 1: what ifs. One that popped to me, I got a
[33:13] Speaker 1: few of these what if John Madden didn't retire?
[33:16] Speaker 3: That was one of mine.
[33:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, So for that books episode, I went back and
[33:22] Speaker 1: read the first John Madden book, which is very readable
[33:24] Speaker 1: and great, like not a surprise, but like it's fun
[33:27] Speaker 1: to read, and he just had it in his head.
[33:30] Speaker 1: He almost retired the year before. He just had it
[33:32] Speaker 1: and said, I wanted to win one hundred games in
[33:35] Speaker 1: my first ten years. It's is just a big round number.
[33:38] Speaker 1: That just sounded good to me, and like me, I
[33:40] Speaker 1: talked about it with my wife and I was like,
[33:42] Speaker 1: I want to get to one hundred in year ten.
[33:44] Speaker 1: No one's ever done that, by the way before, And
[33:46] Speaker 1: so that's what he did and then he retired. Didn't
[33:49] Speaker 1: have a great final season as compared to his others,
[33:51] Speaker 1: but he finished one hundred and three and thirty two.
[33:54] Speaker 1: He was forty two years old when he retired. I mean,
[33:57] Speaker 1: I know Sean McVay came in as like a boy
[34:00] Speaker 1: wonder and had a lot of success. He wasn't one
[34:02] Speaker 1: hundred and three and thirty two and retiring at forty two.
[34:04] Speaker 1: That is outrageous. So I hope he doesn't retire at
[34:06] Speaker 1: forty two. That was yours, well, that was one of mine.
[34:09] Speaker 3: Another of mine was like super super niche But I'm
[34:12] Speaker 3: curious to hear what you guys, think about this, because
[34:14] Speaker 3: you remember very much the dialogue and discussion that immediately
[34:18] Speaker 3: started after this. But what if Dan Campbell didn't go
[34:21] Speaker 3: for it successfully as much on fourth down early in
[34:24] Speaker 3: his tenure and in his head coaching tenure, because we
[34:28] Speaker 3: really started talking about that, not only because he was
[34:32] Speaker 3: doing it successfully, but also because he wasn't out there saying,
[34:37] Speaker 3: you know, we are looking at this specific probability every
[34:41] Speaker 3: single time. Instead, he was combining a lot of information
[34:45] Speaker 3: into one decision. I wonder how all of that conversation.
[34:50] Speaker 3: Maybe it would have delayed until this year or whatever year,
[34:53] Speaker 3: but he sort of is the face I want to say,
[34:57] Speaker 3: of restarting that modern conversation of situational football analytics, analytics
[35:03] Speaker 3: in football, and as infuriating as those conversations can sometimes be,
[35:10] Speaker 3: especially when you're listening to your television broadcast, other than
[35:13] Speaker 3: when Greg Olsen talks about it because he's great, I
[35:16] Speaker 3: think that it's he really inadvertently ushered in, like another way,
[35:21] Speaker 3: of of the larger collective thinking about it. When a
[35:25] Speaker 3: lot of really smart people you know, obviously already were.
[35:27] Speaker 1: He was the perfect representative to do it. I think
[35:29] Speaker 1: it was inevitable that because it was just coming. It
[35:31] Speaker 1: was creeping that way all along, and he was the
[35:33] Speaker 1: perfect manly guy to take it.
[35:36] Speaker 3: I was gonna say, that's my That was my other question.
[35:38] Speaker 3: I'm curious if if like someone who didn't look like
[35:40] Speaker 3: he could like step on you or put you through
[35:43] Speaker 3: a wall, like if he didn't look like that, would
[35:45] Speaker 3: it have been as a fact, that's an I'm just
[35:47] Speaker 3: I think so.
[35:48] Speaker 1: I think I think I honestly would have because I
[35:50] Speaker 1: do think like it's a question that I've been tired
[35:52] Speaker 1: of hearing on broadcasts since the late like oughts, and
[35:57] Speaker 1: so I think it was just a natural progressive and uh,
[36:01] Speaker 1: he did a little extra, but there were others that
[36:03] Speaker 1: did an extra too. It would have happened, but he
[36:05] Speaker 1: was the perfect vessel I feel like to make it happen.
[36:09] Speaker 1: Another one I had. And this is more of like
[36:10] Speaker 1: a player thing, but it's it's a way we think
[36:12] Speaker 1: about coaches. Uh, what if Philip Rivers didn't tear his
[36:15] Speaker 1: acl in the Divisional round against the Colts? Would North
[36:20] Speaker 1: Turner be a Super Bowl winning head coach for the
[36:23] Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers. I believe he would.
[36:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in the Patriots game with a torn
[36:28] Speaker 2: A in the AFC.
[36:29] Speaker 1: I think they would have been the Patriots. They would
[36:31] Speaker 1: have been the The Patriots were getting rickety by that.
[36:33] Speaker 1: If you really look at their last handful of games,
[36:36] Speaker 1: they were feeling they were feeling the pressure. North Turner
[36:39] Speaker 1: also had like a thirteen and three season great offensive coordinator.
[36:42] Speaker 1: Justice for north Turner's.
[36:43] Speaker 3: I'm probably a little rusty at it, but I used
[36:45] Speaker 3: to do a great north Turner impression.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Okay, I mean impression. You literally can't say that without
[36:52] Speaker 1: doing it. Let's do it.
[36:53] Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know.
[36:56] Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take you. Yeah, that's so long,
[36:59] Speaker 2: that's it.
[37:00] Speaker 3: Nor good to be here.
[37:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, what if John Gruden wasn't found to be like
[37:06] Speaker 1: a huge racist at virtually any time other time in
[37:09] Speaker 1: our country's history. That was actually the one time where
[37:12] Speaker 1: it caught him. So yeah, yeah, he what would have
[37:14] Speaker 1: happened with rs of that time?
[37:16] Speaker 4: He found the like the three month timeframe, but it
[37:20] Speaker 4: generally works out for you could be the wealthiest person
[37:22] Speaker 4: on the history.
[37:23] Speaker 1: He's doing fine. Does your boss leaving work affect productivity?
[37:28] Speaker 1: Cough cough. Seahawks talking about the ownership change, I don't
[37:33] Speaker 1: think it's gonna matter at all. Yeah, No, I'm I
[37:36] Speaker 1: guess there is an outcome where they're bad owners that
[37:39] Speaker 1: want to get super involved and mess it up. And
[37:43] Speaker 1: I guess that could be a problem. The previous ownership
[37:46] Speaker 1: was already hands off before Paul Allen died, and then
[37:49] Speaker 1: really was hands off. It's why I often said Pete
[37:51] Speaker 1: Carroll I thought was the most powerful coach in the NFL,
[37:55] Speaker 1: one of the most powerful people. He was essentially an
[37:57] Speaker 1: acting owner. Now it's been John Schneider. But I don't
[38:00] Speaker 1: think it's gonna matter.
[38:01] Speaker 4: No, I don't think they would have bought the team
[38:03] Speaker 4: if it wasn't like a senator and forget it type circumstance.
[38:07] Speaker 4: They can just have a you know, financial space to
[38:11] Speaker 4: where other purchases may be able to be offset by
[38:14] Speaker 4: this one.
[38:15] Speaker 3: Don Hyder's team maybe.
[38:17] Speaker 1: Which is yeah, and they both got extension they're good,
[38:20] Speaker 1: which is more likely. Kyler Murray Oarns earns a Malik
[38:24] Speaker 1: ish Willis contractor or better, or ends the season on
[38:30] Speaker 1: injured reserve and or never sees top QB money or
[38:32] Speaker 1: an extended starter gig. Again this from Chris Klein and Blusk.
[38:36] Speaker 3: I tend to think the former. I think that he
[38:39] Speaker 3: at the minimum, could potentially earn maybe the last, you know,
[38:43] Speaker 3: big contract or multi year extension of his career, depending
[38:47] Speaker 3: on how the season goes in Minnesota. I am curious
[38:50] Speaker 3: if it starts to go very well. You know, we've
[38:53] Speaker 3: seen Minnesota fumble that decision before, so I'm very curious
[38:56] Speaker 3: about how that would go. Obviously, the age and the
[38:59] Speaker 3: injury history with Kyler are much different questions than they
[39:03] Speaker 3: were necessarily having about like Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones.
[39:06] Speaker 3: That was more of a talent question. With Kyler, I
[39:09] Speaker 3: think we see that the ceiling can be very, very high.
[39:12] Speaker 3: This is one of the most This is one of
[39:14] Speaker 3: the situations I'm most curious about entering the season. I
[39:17] Speaker 3: feel like, I know it's going to look cool if
[39:19] Speaker 3: everyone's healthy, but I don't know exactly what type of
[39:22] Speaker 3: cool it's going to look like.
[39:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Murray and that team is fascinating. They
[39:27] Speaker 1: have a huge variance. He has a chance, like Maliquist,
[39:30] Speaker 1: to be a number one overall free agent on my list.
[39:32] Speaker 1: If the Vikings can't get him resigned and he is
[39:35] Speaker 1: playing well, I think it's very likely that he gets
[39:40] Speaker 1: a good contract. Again.
[39:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, I am hopeful for the former.
[39:44] Speaker 4: I unfortunately feel like the latter based on the circumstances
[39:47] Speaker 4: where if you do get hurt and you're a Kyler Murray,
[39:50] Speaker 4: you are too talented to live in that forever backup
[39:54] Speaker 4: quarterback circumstance that a lot of guys are in, and
[39:56] Speaker 4: there's this, well, if we bring in Kyler, then there's
[39:59] Speaker 4: all this conversation and does he make our starter feel worried?
[40:02] Speaker 4: And these circumstances where he it's either like he maintains
[40:07] Speaker 4: his career and he's a starting quarterback or I worry
[40:10] Speaker 4: that Kyler just won't be in the league anymore like
[40:12] Speaker 4: a lot of other talented guys.
[40:14] Speaker 1: He and that Maliquylist contract is sort of in between
[40:16] Speaker 1: starter and not starter, So that makes it an easier
[40:19] Speaker 1: answer for yeah too. How much longer is the forty
[40:21] Speaker 1: nine ers contention window? This is from TMP on Blue Sky.
[40:25] Speaker 1: I like this one. I just assume Shanny pieces out
[40:28] Speaker 1: after Trent Williams, CMC, Christian McCaffrey, and George Kittle are done.
[40:33] Speaker 1: It's hard to see him stick through a rebuild. Well,
[40:37] Speaker 1: first of all, I think they could contend after those
[40:40] Speaker 1: three guys and Warner are done. Like, I just think
[40:42] Speaker 1: he's that good a coach. But it's a fair point
[40:45] Speaker 1: that it's maybe two years left with at most with
[40:47] Speaker 1: like kind of that core. I don't know, Like, I
[40:51] Speaker 1: don't know if he'll ever want to leave. I think
[40:53] Speaker 1: he'll be like his dad, where you got to kick
[40:55] Speaker 1: him out, like you gotta essentially get fired. Yeah, he's
[40:58] Speaker 1: got a great situation.
[40:59] Speaker 3: Let go or be dragged right as the saying goes,
[41:02] Speaker 3: I think this is an interesting question because I understand
[41:05] Speaker 3: where it's coming from. It is such a top heavy roster.
[41:08] Speaker 3: It's been top heavy for a long time. What I
[41:10] Speaker 3: think the question is kind of missing, though, is they've
[41:12] Speaker 3: been rebuilding underneath it for quite some time, even at
[41:15] Speaker 3: the detriment of some of these guys that can't see
[41:17] Speaker 3: the field, that they've tried to draft and develop, and
[41:19] Speaker 3: the best thing for them is I'm thinking of a
[41:21] Speaker 3: couple of alignment they've had, you know, would be to
[41:23] Speaker 3: get on the field and play, but for often for better.
[41:27] Speaker 3: Some of these old guys just aren't done yet. And
[41:29] Speaker 3: they aren't done yet and it's very productive for the team,
[41:32] Speaker 3: but at some point they will be done. And so
[41:35] Speaker 3: I do think, yeah, one or two years with this
[41:37] Speaker 3: particular top heavy core. But I do think they the
[41:41] Speaker 3: question of him not being around for a rebuild, I
[41:44] Speaker 3: think is not the right question, because they've already been
[41:48] Speaker 3: partially rebuilding pretty much every year for the last two
[41:51] Speaker 3: at least two off seasons.
[41:53] Speaker 1: They need to draft better, though, They need to find
[41:55] Speaker 1: their next guys, And that's why I think it's much
[41:58] Speaker 1: more likely that John Lynchley at some point in Danny
[42:01] Speaker 1: states because I just can't imagine Jed York ever wanting
[42:05] Speaker 1: to fire Kyle Shannon. I guess you never know.
[42:08] Speaker 3: I mean, this was it was interesting. This was the
[42:11] Speaker 3: first off season that we started hearing I think a
[42:14] Speaker 3: little bit more like Kyle was actually asked, would you
[42:17] Speaker 3: ever do broadcasting? You know what I mean? Like those
[42:19] Speaker 3: little thing when those little things start coming out, especially
[42:22] Speaker 3: after the coach has already gotten paid, that's interesting to me,
[42:25] Speaker 3: Like what do you know that you're asking that question?
[42:27] Speaker 1: Would he ever take a break? Because he's still a
[42:29] Speaker 1: young in terms of coaching a young man, and so
[42:34] Speaker 1: he is what forty six right now, so me were
[42:37] Speaker 1: the same age, and uh yeah, he could take He
[42:40] Speaker 1: could take a year off at some point and still
[42:42] Speaker 1: have a lot of good years.
[42:43] Speaker 4: Left, Like I guess my follow up question though to
[42:46] Speaker 4: these questions is would Kyle Shanahan rather take a year
[42:50] Speaker 4: off or have Jed York walk in and say, hey,
[42:53] Speaker 4: can we have a conversation about John Lynch and how
[42:56] Speaker 4: you feel he's performing Because some of these Wiggley John
[42:58] Speaker 4: Lynch picks do we feel like Kyle may have heavily
[43:02] Speaker 4: influenced those, So like, whose picks?
[43:04] Speaker 2: Are those really the same? Right?
[43:06] Speaker 1: It's the same thing. It's all the same as happened
[43:08] Speaker 1: with his dad, which is also why, like I think
[43:10] Speaker 1: if John if he didn't want John Lynch to be there,
[43:13] Speaker 1: I don't think John Lynch would be there. So I
[43:15] Speaker 1: I consider their relationship to be good enough. You know,
[43:20] Speaker 1: if he is there, I think I think there.
[43:23] Speaker 3: I think they have a really really really strong relationship
[43:26] Speaker 3: and a lot of collaboration, even if we see little
[43:28] Speaker 3: clips on social media about someone not seeming to know
[43:31] Speaker 3: what's going on in the draft.
[43:32] Speaker 1: Room and in John Lynch, I think it's a really
[43:35] Speaker 1: important skill set. There aren't that many coach first organizations,
[43:41] Speaker 1: so you need your GM in that situation to serve
[43:46] Speaker 1: the head coach and be okay with that and I
[43:47] Speaker 1: think John Lynch does that. I think they work well together.
[43:51] Speaker 1: We got a question, will Max Crosby be traded before
[43:53] Speaker 1: the season begins? This is a quick one, that's a
[43:55] Speaker 1: non starter. I don't. I just don't think that is happening.
[43:58] Speaker 1: Mary kay Caine asked, do you like podcasting? I guess
[44:01] Speaker 1: this one is for me because it's the only place
[44:04] Speaker 1: in your life that people listen to your opinions. Is
[44:10] Speaker 1: that a shot? You think that's a shot?
[44:13] Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it's a shot.
[44:15] Speaker 1: I mean, oh, they listen. If they didn't listen, they
[44:18] Speaker 1: wouldn't be in my life.
[44:20] Speaker 3: An existential question, yes, yeah.
[44:23] Speaker 1: I mean that's the hardest no ever though, Yeah, like
[44:27] Speaker 1: you're getting the opinions?
[44:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, do you really think you could silence this man?
[44:32] Speaker 3: Take the mic away and he's still going?
[44:36] Speaker 1: And it was a similar one. Did you miss talking
[44:37] Speaker 1: about the NFL and death during your time away? That
[44:40] Speaker 1: was from Ivan mtz on on I g I do
[44:45] Speaker 1: bring up mortality sometimes within the family doesn't go over
[44:50] Speaker 1: like as well. I gotta be careful about it, but
[44:53] Speaker 1: we talk about we talk about the meaning of life
[44:54] Speaker 1: in the family. You gotta you gotta pick your spots
[44:57] Speaker 1: when you're talking to kids about that. But it's it's
[44:59] Speaker 1: not about I'll say that.
[45:01] Speaker 3: I'd say I learned a lot about grief this offseason,
[45:04] Speaker 3: and I think that for me personally, and everybody's different.
[45:08] Speaker 3: Everybody carries it differently and learns to live around it. Essentially,
[45:12] Speaker 3: is what I've learned is is really what it is,
[45:15] Speaker 3: and man found I found some real clarity and really
[45:20] Speaker 3: just not pushing it aside, if that makes sense, and
[45:23] Speaker 3: not and not making myself busy to distract and not
[45:29] Speaker 3: in not running away from it or avoiding it and
[45:31] Speaker 3: just sort of like being there with it in the room.
[45:35] Speaker 3: And I think, like I'm I'm kind of amazed by
[45:39] Speaker 3: that entire experience, to be honest.
[45:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the universal experience. Everyone will go through
[45:47] Speaker 1: it literally at some point, but they're you're gonna go
[45:51] Speaker 1: through it with someone close to them at some point,
[45:54] Speaker 1: and it's it's weird because it makes you feel alive
[45:58] Speaker 1: in a different way because it's just like the most
[46:02] Speaker 1: human thing that can that can happen. And Yeah, I
[46:05] Speaker 1: learned a lot from Lakeisha Wesseling, Uh, wife of Chris
[46:09] Speaker 1: whose name is on this studio because she she really
[46:13] Speaker 1: kind of as you're saying, like she loved talking about Chris,
[46:15] Speaker 1: she loved talking about what she was going through and
[46:18] Speaker 1: it makes you feel closer. And I think that's important
[46:22] Speaker 1: when when it comes to grief, everyone's going to go
[46:24] Speaker 1: through it, but like you said, people go through it
[46:27] Speaker 1: in different ways. Speaking of grief, what a transition.
[46:33] Speaker 3: He's back, He's so back.
[46:36] Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon went through a lot last year.
[46:39] Speaker 3: Oh my god.
[46:42] Speaker 1: What can Packers fans expect from Jonathan Gannon as defensive coordinator?
[46:46] Speaker 4: I think right the the issues in Arizona, a lot
[46:50] Speaker 4: of them are related to the talent on the team.
[46:53] Speaker 1: Fair Okay, But the second part of this question I
[46:55] Speaker 1: want to point out was good context from Matthew Propes
[46:57] Speaker 1: on a Blue Sky. I know he had success in
[46:59] Speaker 1: phil but every Eagles fan I know hates him and
[47:02] Speaker 1: his Gladdy.
[47:03] Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of things I was gonna say,
[47:06] Speaker 4: where do we start? Okay, hit me list of people
[47:10] Speaker 4: and players that every Eagles fan I know hates and
[47:13] Speaker 4: is glad he left. Also, like we just had the
[47:17] Speaker 4: Indie Ross quession. Yeah, like it's it's it's everybody. At
[47:20] Speaker 4: a certain point. We just watched the greatest home run
[47:22] Speaker 4: derby I've seen in the past fifteen years. The chairman
[47:25] Speaker 4: was getting booed in Philadelphia while it was happening.
[47:28] Speaker 1: One of two Super Bowl winning defensive coordinators in the
[47:31] Speaker 1: history of the organization, Jonathan Gannon, So you you wouldn't
[47:34] Speaker 1: think you would be so.
[47:34] Speaker 3: I think there's there's only if I was actually I
[47:37] Speaker 3: was going back and thinking about this, and I was, like,
[47:39] Speaker 3: of people who have left the organization, I actually cannot
[47:43] Speaker 3: think of one. Maybe and I don't remember. I don't
[47:48] Speaker 3: think he was even at the court. Was he at
[47:49] Speaker 3: the coordinator level? Ssichen Maybe just quarterbacks you're passing. I
[47:52] Speaker 3: don't remember. But I think they only just don't hate
[47:56] Speaker 3: him because they they never really paid attention to him,
[48:00] Speaker 3: and he was there. I mean, and he's not a
[48:01] Speaker 3: hatterable guy, let me be clear, But I cannot think.
[48:04] Speaker 3: My point is I could not think of somebody that
[48:06] Speaker 3: Eagles fans don't hate for leaving them.
[48:08] Speaker 1: Is that, I would say, fair like even even the
[48:12] Speaker 1: great players, like they always come back around pretty quickly.
[48:15] Speaker 1: Like but they hated Shady McCoy when he left, but
[48:18] Speaker 1: then they loved him pretty soon after that once they
[48:21] Speaker 1: got to like look back at at the times. Gannon
[48:24] Speaker 1: is a weird case though, because his scheme was often
[48:29] Speaker 1: very Vanilla, had a lot of talent in that and
[48:33] Speaker 1: they felt like they underperformed a little at times. Yeah,
[48:36] Speaker 1: and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. It was
[48:39] Speaker 1: the opposite in Arizona, which I think was the impact
[48:41] Speaker 1: also of his staff and Nick Rollis where they were
[48:44] Speaker 1: super creative, like the opposite of Vanilla. But he's like
[48:49] Speaker 1: not maybe great in front of a room, so he's
[48:53] Speaker 1: not like that guy either, But is he a scheme wizard?
[48:56] Speaker 1: And yet if you talk to people in the Eagles organization,
[48:59] Speaker 1: they loved Jonathan Gannon. I think the people that have
[49:02] Speaker 1: worked with him and the generally players have pretty high
[49:05] Speaker 1: opinions of them, so that that should count for something.
[49:07] Speaker 2: He's a confusing guy, yeah, Cotes.
[49:10] Speaker 3: As as do we all. I think that this is
[49:15] Speaker 3: I think probably somewhere in the middle of both systems
[49:17] Speaker 3: that you saw, or both at least game plans that
[49:21] Speaker 3: you saw, because I do think that Jonathan Gannon is
[49:24] Speaker 3: obviously not going to have especially right away. He will
[49:27] Speaker 3: have Micah Parsons eventually, but in the short term is
[49:31] Speaker 3: going to be a little bit more scheme reliant like
[49:34] Speaker 3: we saw in Arizona, and I think this McDuffie signing
[49:37] Speaker 3: was really sort of a tell on some of what
[49:39] Speaker 3: they're going to be planning on doing, because you notice
[49:42] Speaker 3: that when he was in Arizona, and he didn't necessarily have,
[49:46] Speaker 3: you know, pass rushers, he could always rely on and
[49:49] Speaker 3: really keep the coverage complicated behind them. He would design
[49:52] Speaker 3: and manufacture different types of pressures, certain odd fronts, things
[49:56] Speaker 3: like that, using linebackers, using defensive backs, using more of
[50:00] Speaker 3: those hybrid players. So I think that's something that's that's
[50:03] Speaker 3: a tell for what you might see in the short
[50:04] Speaker 3: term when Micah Parsons comes back. Then you can open
[50:08] Speaker 3: up and do things that might might truly look a
[50:11] Speaker 3: little bit more simple honestly, but then allows the coverage
[50:15] Speaker 3: to set up the way that he wants it. Behind that,
[50:17] Speaker 3: I do know you're gonna see a lot of match zone,
[50:20] Speaker 3: which is fun because because I think Packers fans who
[50:23] Speaker 3: are really going crazy over the fact that sometimes they
[50:25] Speaker 3: couldn't see their cornerbacks on the TV screen because they
[50:28] Speaker 3: were playing so off in that shell zone that that
[50:32] Speaker 3: you know, Joe Barry ran and and that a lot
[50:34] Speaker 3: of this the coaches from the Tree like to have
[50:37] Speaker 3: because they want a limit explosive so that they can
[50:39] Speaker 3: then be more aggressive with their own explosives. On the
[50:41] Speaker 3: other side, Offensively, you give up the time battle. In
[50:44] Speaker 3: that case, I could go on about this for an
[50:47] Speaker 3: entire show. If we don't want to do that. The
[50:50] Speaker 3: The other thing is, I think that you're gonna the
[50:52] Speaker 3: more the more confidence he has in the defensive backs,
[50:56] Speaker 3: and they've been sort of rebuilding that defensive backfield a
[50:59] Speaker 3: little bit more confidence he has, the more complicated you're
[51:02] Speaker 3: going to see. And he's one of those coordinators that
[51:05] Speaker 3: if he's confident, he's gonna throw heat like you're not
[51:08] Speaker 3: going to see him stay within one set of rules
[51:10] Speaker 3: just because that's how he always plays. If he believes
[51:14] Speaker 3: in in in the abilities or he thinks someone can
[51:16] Speaker 3: move around like, he's gonna throw some heat at these I.
[51:19] Speaker 1: Don't think it's that talented a defense, even when Micah
[51:21] Speaker 1: Parsons is there, I think they'll have to schew it up.
[51:23] Speaker 3: I just think my only point it's.
[51:26] Speaker 1: Kind of talented. I mean, I'm just saying if you
[51:28] Speaker 1: line them all up, I would say they'd be below average. Sure.
[51:31] Speaker 3: My only point is that when you add the best
[51:33] Speaker 3: pass rusher on the planet to a defense, it's probably
[51:36] Speaker 3: going to get better.
[51:37] Speaker 1: No, I'm supporting what you're saying that. I think he's
[51:39] Speaker 1: gonna have to be creative. I think he also just
[51:40] Speaker 1: suffered in Philly that he was not Jim Johnson, who's
[51:43] Speaker 1: probably on the Mount Rushmore of most beloved coordinators of
[51:48] Speaker 1: all time anywhere. Yeah, and he was not Vic Fangio.
[51:51] Speaker 1: And he's not Jim Schwartz either. Like so, it's just
[51:54] Speaker 1: they've had a, you know, just a high, high level
[51:58] Speaker 1: of these defensive coordinators that have been there.
[52:00] Speaker 3: Yes, they are a wealth of riches there with their
[52:03] Speaker 3: with their dcs.
[52:04] Speaker 1: Will should the NFL make guardian caps mandatory? Question? I'm Anya,
[52:09] Speaker 1: a trans girl fan. I love y'all. Shout out to
[52:13] Speaker 1: our trans listeners out there. We love y'all too, Love
[52:16] Speaker 1: you guys. Tough, tough question. I don't have an answer
[52:19] Speaker 1: to this. I don't. I don't. I don't think so,
[52:22] Speaker 1: But I don't know.
[52:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know either.
[52:25] Speaker 4: I know there's some data that you know, exemplifies and
[52:29] Speaker 4: justifies the use, you know, as we get closer to
[52:33] Speaker 4: you know, in a goal to trying to make football safe.
[52:36] Speaker 4: At a certain point, it becomes like should we be
[52:39] Speaker 4: playing football at all? I think that's the question that
[52:42] Speaker 4: this kind of leads us down. But to to make
[52:45] Speaker 4: it mandatory, I think requires a whole bunch of other
[52:48] Speaker 4: steps that we could be taking in other places. But
[52:52] Speaker 4: if it, if it actually does make football safer, then it.
[52:57] Speaker 1: So far and I think they still need more research.
[52:59] Speaker 1: But I think the ideas like it. It does reduce
[53:01] Speaker 1: the impact of hits period, but not necessarily just the
[53:05] Speaker 1: amount of concussions, and so it's a little imperfect in
[53:10] Speaker 1: terms of the data that's out there. Let's go to
[53:12] Speaker 1: uh Andy on Ig who says, what do you think
[53:16] Speaker 1: the ceiling is for Tyler Shuck this year? I thought
[53:19] Speaker 1: asking ceiling is interesting Jordan, just because to me, he's
[53:23] Speaker 1: a high variance guy, and which I don't know if
[53:26] Speaker 1: he if people are thinking about him that way. Where
[53:29] Speaker 1: I do think the ceiling when it all is hitting
[53:33] Speaker 1: might be pretty damn high. But it could be rocky.
[53:37] Speaker 1: It could like in a it could be big ups,
[53:39] Speaker 1: big downs, because he's he's gonna get his throes in,
[53:42] Speaker 1: He's he's gonna he's gonna either make some big mistakes
[53:46] Speaker 1: or make some big plays.
[53:47] Speaker 3: I don't think, though, I think the system as it
[53:50] Speaker 3: continues to be constructed, I'm starting to see a little
[53:53] Speaker 3: bit more of the steps in the progression that Kellen
[53:55] Speaker 3: Moore wants to do with that offense, and certainly at
[53:58] Speaker 3: the personnel they've added. They've added a couple of more
[54:00] Speaker 3: guys who will be layers within that passing game. They
[54:05] Speaker 3: clearly feel, like, you know, trying to mitigate some of
[54:08] Speaker 3: the things that would cause him to be streaky, whether
[54:11] Speaker 3: that's pressure, giving him outlets, solidifying or at least identifying
[54:15] Speaker 3: like who the personnel is going to be in the
[54:17] Speaker 3: run game. I can actually see them as they are
[54:22] Speaker 3: constructing this offseason and adding or subtracting in some cases
[54:27] Speaker 3: sort of leveling out where they think he might have
[54:29] Speaker 3: some of those those variants issues come in because I
[54:32] Speaker 3: do think the ceiling is incredibly high. I don't have
[54:35] Speaker 3: a one to one comp. I try to stay away
[54:36] Speaker 3: from comps from like really young, really young quarterbacks. I
[54:39] Speaker 3: think those gets you into a lot of trouble. But
[54:42] Speaker 3: I liked him because I thought he saw the field
[54:45] Speaker 3: really well. He has the bit like the size and
[54:48] Speaker 3: the arm talent of an NFL starting quarterback. And I
[54:52] Speaker 3: think that again, getting rid of some of the factors
[54:56] Speaker 3: in any trademark of a good play caller and a
[54:58] Speaker 3: good offensive designer is going to be trying to at
[55:02] Speaker 3: least re level or set a higher floor for some
[55:05] Speaker 3: of those things that would cause the streakiness we did
[55:07] Speaker 3: see from some of his college tape. And I'm also
[55:09] Speaker 3: less worried about the injuries now than I was when
[55:11] Speaker 3: he came out because of how how good he looked
[55:13] Speaker 3: when he when he was playing.
[55:15] Speaker 1: All right, we're getting towards the end here. Let's speed
[55:17] Speaker 1: around these rests. All right, This one I don't have
[55:21] Speaker 1: who it's from, but the question was the Rams are
[55:23] Speaker 1: back all in f them picks mode. But the backup
[55:27] Speaker 1: situation has echoes of the Brett Rippon travesty who had
[55:31] Speaker 1: to play for them in.
[55:32] Speaker 3: A meaningful This has got to be a diehard Rams.
[55:34] Speaker 1: Yes, are they?
[55:35] Speaker 3: That's a poll right there?
[55:36] Speaker 1: Are they really going to go with Stetson, Bennett or
[55:40] Speaker 1: Simpson during a pivotal year or is there a nod
[55:43] Speaker 1: in wink agreement with Jimmy.
[55:44] Speaker 4: G Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. It does have
[55:47] Speaker 4: echoes of the Brett Rippon travesty because these any of
[55:51] Speaker 4: these situations, Yeah, things like that.
[55:53] Speaker 1: Why are you where we've gotten so far that you
[55:56] Speaker 1: can't trust the number thirteen overall him picking the draft
[55:59] Speaker 1: to be your best quarterback? I should hope that number
[56:02] Speaker 1: thirteen overall pick can be your backup quarterback. I don't
[56:04] Speaker 1: think that's crazy at all. If you can't coach up
[56:07] Speaker 1: your first round quarterback to at least feel like he
[56:10] Speaker 1: can be a backup, it's like, what are we doing?
[56:12] Speaker 2: What if he's only in the first round because that's
[56:14] Speaker 2: where you picked.
[56:15] Speaker 1: Him, right, I get it, But you believe in you
[56:17] Speaker 1: believe in him enough to take him there. I think
[56:20] Speaker 1: I think you can have a number thirteen overall pick
[56:22] Speaker 1: me your backup. Come down to top, Trevor, what coordinators
[56:25] Speaker 1: are you the most excited for in twenty twenty six
[56:28] Speaker 1: Speed round? Here? Jordan, I don't know if you got any,
[56:30] Speaker 1: I'll throw out I have a bunch, okay, Deronte Jones
[56:34] Speaker 1: I throughout the defensive coordinator? Can he be the next
[56:36] Speaker 1: Flores in Washington? Declan Doyle in Baltimore? Your guy Clayton
[56:41] Speaker 1: Adams year two and that.
[56:43] Speaker 3: Christian Parker Clayton Adams combo and Dallas. Sean Mannion now
[56:47] Speaker 3: pairing with Vic Fangio and Philadelphia. I think there's some
[56:50] Speaker 3: interesting potential to that. I think that's going to look
[56:52] Speaker 3: more like a Lafleoor tight end heavy well, you know,
[56:56] Speaker 3: twelve personnel version of that offense, the necessary like the
[57:00] Speaker 3: rest of the tree. Quote unquote Mike McDaniel, come on,
[57:04] Speaker 3: I mean we all were, and I want him micd
[57:06] Speaker 3: up for every game. And also Patrick Graham is now
[57:08] Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh and that dude throws heat. I am really
[57:11] Speaker 3: excited to see what that looks like.
[57:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's Mike mac Obviously, I would like to
[57:16] Speaker 4: see Declan Doyle. But congratulations to Justin Herbert and liberating them.
[57:19] Speaker 1: From Chris and Massachusetts rates. I have no question. I
[57:23] Speaker 1: just want you to know I'm glad you got to
[57:24] Speaker 1: get vacation and we get another season of NFL Daily.
[57:27] Speaker 1: Let's go Patriots, I mean, thank you, Chris.
[57:30] Speaker 3: Greg wrote that to him.
[57:31] Speaker 1: So is this the year we're gonna finally experience joy
[57:33] Speaker 1: as a Chargers fan? This is from Stephen Haglin on
[57:37] Speaker 1: on Twitter. I believe it was Who's part of the
[57:39] Speaker 1: Guiltiest Barge Podcast?
[57:41] Speaker 3: End of the show.
[57:42] Speaker 1: And I actually do know the answer to this, Stephen,
[57:47] Speaker 1: you are gonna experience some joy this year until horrible paint.
[57:54] Speaker 1: That's a little bit of as a that's a step forward,
[57:57] Speaker 1: step forward.
[57:58] Speaker 3: Do we think that Chargers simply know the true experience
[58:03] Speaker 3: of what it is to be human?
[58:06] Speaker 1: They're gonna find out. I think they are feeling good
[58:08] Speaker 1: this week because I saw Max Crosby on some podcasts
[58:11] Speaker 1: say when he was asked, who are the fans that
[58:14] Speaker 1: like annoy you the most, that you hate the most,
[58:17] Speaker 1: that are the tough that like they're the worst? And
[58:19] Speaker 1: he said Chargers fans, which actually is a feather in
[58:21] Speaker 1: his cap. He's like, they're vicious, they come at me,
[58:24] Speaker 1: They they they're the worst, Like they're small but mighty
[58:28] Speaker 1: in a way. And I was like, this is actually
[58:29] Speaker 1: the best pub that the Charges fans have got huge.
[58:36] Speaker 1: Houston Stressens asked, could you see that Texans have a
[58:39] Speaker 1: historically great defense.
[58:42] Speaker 3: I was ready for this because I'm going to answer
[58:44] Speaker 3: this in the style of Houston Stressen is a great
[58:46] Speaker 3: fellow on social media. Of the choices between blessing or stressing,
[58:54] Speaker 3: I'm going to pick blessing.
[58:57] Speaker 1: I think they got a chance. I think defense is
[58:59] Speaker 1: more on predictable, so it's harder. But if any defense
[59:03] Speaker 1: has a chance, this one, this one. And they've kind
[59:07] Speaker 1: of built up in a way like the Bears when
[59:10] Speaker 1: they were coming into that eighty sixty. They've kind of
[59:12] Speaker 1: built up a couple years of like, oh, we're really
[59:14] Speaker 1: getting to know this group and we know that they're great.
[59:17] Speaker 1: I think you kind of need that. Like the Ravens
[59:18] Speaker 1: back in the day, it was like a slow build
[59:20] Speaker 1: and then it went nuclear.
[59:22] Speaker 2: Let's go.
[59:25] Speaker 1: Da Rosenthal unrelated says on a Japanese fiction kick, can
[59:29] Speaker 1: you recommend some quickly Convenience Store Woman by Sayaka Murata?
[59:35] Speaker 1: For sure? I mean that's the one that got got
[59:38] Speaker 1: me going. And then each one of her books is
[59:41] Speaker 1: successfully like successfully successively rather like more crazy, just the
[59:46] Speaker 1: craziest books ever. I love all of her stuff. A
[59:49] Speaker 1: Thousand Cranes by Yesnuri Kawabata, who won the Nobel Peace Prize.
[59:55] Speaker 1: That's like, that's as Japanese as you get short. It's
[59:57] Speaker 1: perfect pale view of the hills. Uh, that's actually a
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: British writer, British Japanese casu Ushiguru. But that's about post
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: Wardshpan that's a good one. And then the Kawa kamis
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: Romi and Mi Echo. Uh, no relation, but they're both great.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: Heaven by Mieko kaw Kami's awesome Ten Loves of Nishino
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: is probably my favorite by Heiromi.
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: But how many books total did you read on your vacation?
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: Six or seven?
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: I would say he's a machine?
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we are an hour in? Is that how
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: we want to finish the show?
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: I mean, I see a question?
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: I am okay. Patrick is going to choose one final question.
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is I went through, but.
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: Well it's one that you you went past.
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: No, it might not have been on purpose.
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: There was no name attached to it. How has Ai
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: changed football? Oh? Yeah?
[1:00:46] Speaker 4: Have you found it useful for running any analysis that
[1:00:48] Speaker 4: aren't available elsewhere? The answers made it unquestionably worse and
[1:00:52] Speaker 4: it needs to die immediately.
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: M hm, that's the death that I'd like to celebrate.
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: Has not? Has that helped? I don't know if it's
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: Jane anything not in my personal life or but yeah,
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: I don't not that I know of.
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: I think it's a travesty. I uh, I don't, I don't,
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: I don't try to say this as like in an
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: arrogant way or whatever. But I am a football reporter
[1:01:20] Speaker 3: as a as a writer as well, and I am
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: terrified of it. I think it is making people able
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: to think less critically. I think people are uh in
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: danger of of not understanding the validity to what sometimes
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: they see, particularly if if ai uh you know, chum
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: is being pumped out over and across social media. I
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: think that it is a really scary thing for the
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: profession of journalism in general. And on the other side
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: of it, I do understand when, for example, NFL organizations
[1:02:01] Speaker 3: or franchises use it to shortened tasks that would otherwise
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: take days and days and days logging medical information from
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: the scouting combine, for example, organizing and ranking information.
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's I think. I want to say,
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: that's like computers.
[1:02:17] Speaker 4: I want to say, yeah, using machine learning and this,
[1:02:20] Speaker 4: yes direct that's been churned out by a chatbots.
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: Yeah. And so for that reason, I am terrified of it,
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: and I think it's healthy to to feel that way
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: as And also I understand that this is a tool
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: that a lot of the world around us, and certainly
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: NFL teams are are exploring and I think that the
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: problem that I just get really icked out by is
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: like when it crosses into the things that you're supposed
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: to be doing that make us innately human. I am
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: supposed to be speaking to you to understand your life
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: perspective and what makes you who you are, and how
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: you put a game plan together and why this core
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: memory from your you know, third game of your high
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: school football season has now evolved over thirty years to
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: become a play that you call in the divisional round. Like,
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: I need to understand that on an emotional human human
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: level and dig into that myself in order to actually
[1:03:19] Speaker 3: share that in a way that reflects the entirety and
[1:03:22] Speaker 3: and the and the the the justice done to humanity.
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: So I am terrified of it. I think it's a
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: travesty a lot in a lot of ways. I also
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: do understand the tool, the tool elements of it.
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and that's an aspect I didn't even consider.
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: I didn't really expect myself to go that long.
[1:03:38] Speaker 4: Sorry, but yeah, because we do this to try to
[1:03:42] Speaker 4: bridge a gap and communicate the lives of these players
[1:03:44] Speaker 4: and coaches and the people who are part of this
[1:03:46] Speaker 4: game to other people where we may eventually get in
[1:03:48] Speaker 4: a situation where you're trying to correspond with a player
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: or a coach and they're using some chatbot that's really
[1:03:53] Speaker 4: just the assemblance of all Reddit posts and history to respond, right,
[1:03:57] Speaker 4: and so like, what are we even doing?
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: Well, that's the main thing is it's just not inaccurate
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: search function. I try to explain that.
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: Real example of that. This year I did it was
[1:04:08] Speaker 3: I was, I was just like perturbed by it.
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: It's too shy, I would always assume, and I've I've
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: had this, I've I have talked about with my son
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: and stuff like most of it's wrong because it's just
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: combining a ton of sources in a way that's right,
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: Like it's wrong more often than not. Maybe that'll change
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: at some point, but I have my doubts.
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: Go to the original source, if you if and if
[1:04:29] Speaker 3: you don't mind, Like the example, I'm time, I was
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: even maybe even more insidious than that, because I think
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: there's a lot of really awesome data out there and
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: we're learning more about it every every day, and I
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: think being able to package that data in ways that
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: are digestible for like my human brain is super super helpful.
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: But I'm starting to notice that it is the parameters
[1:04:52] Speaker 3: of the goalposts around packages of data are being queried
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: into AI bots or aih you know, queries whether it's
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: like Clode or whatever, into goalposts moving the way that
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: humans would do it, to come up with erroneous comps
[1:05:08] Speaker 3: or comps that are not one to one or like
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: what we would call moving the goalpost in an argument.
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: I'm starting to notice this happening in NFL buildings and
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: that is scary to me. If you were going to query,
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: you need to you need to do it in a
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: way that is as comprehensive to your question and the
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: data points that you're looking for as possible, not saying, oh,
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: I'm going to comp this person from this year to
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: this year with all these other people in totality make
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: an argument.
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: Making everyone dumber. Good great way to show and the show.
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, I'm so sorry. I did want to hear
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: your Hall of Fame opinions, Greg, I do it.
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have them. That'll be a whole episode.
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: There was a Hall of Fame question and then I
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: thought I want to do a segment, or at least
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: part of an episode more about the upcoming Hall of Fame.
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: Not the upcoming class, but who should be it. So yeah,
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: circle back to the space. We've got a lot of
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: shows you want to get it.
[1:06:03] Speaker 4: After we got put on Tom out, Bill's gonna be
[1:06:05] Speaker 4: very excited to be a part of the Proceders.
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: We will be back later this week. As I mentioned,
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: one more show this week before next week. Yes, the
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: final week. This is it before teams show up for
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: training camp. I know the Seahawks rookies are showing up
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: on Friday. I don't count the whole rookies showing up
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: for a week as it. So this is the last
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: week with only three shows and then we start cranking
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: them up next week. We'll have one more show for
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: you later in the week. In the meantime, thank you
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: to the original crew Jordan Rodrieg and Patrick Claybahn. We'll
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: see you next time.

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