# Patrick Mahomes Gets Extension and Corporate Goodbyes at the End of Minicamps

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 12 Jun 2026, 49 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue get you caught up on everything you need to know from OTAs around the NFL including Patrick Mahomes getting an extension, an update on Alec Pierce's availability for the Colts, Aaron Brewer getting an extension with the Dolphins, Minicamp check-ins on the Raiders, Texans, Packers and more! Plus, Gregg and Jourdan give you the corporate send offs for the Ravens, Eagles, and Cardinals as they end their offseason programs. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've got a couple of
[0:08] Speaker 1: week baring walls on this show. I'm Greg Rosenthal and
[0:10] Speaker 1: I'm with Jordan Rodrieg. He's joining me on the other
[0:14] Speaker 1: side of the West side of Los Angeles, wrapping up
[0:18] Speaker 1: the week with some news. Half the teams in the
[0:21] Speaker 1: NFL are done for the off season, so we'll recap
[0:25] Speaker 1: what's been going on at mini camps. I know we've
[0:27] Speaker 1: been wrapping up each week with our NFL Daily thirty
[0:30] Speaker 1: two ranking series that will be back next week and
[0:33] Speaker 1: continuing on through the summer. But while we got men
[0:37] Speaker 1: talking football at a podium, Jordan, well, let's just do
[0:40] Speaker 1: a little bit of that today.
[0:41] Speaker 2: One of the big sales for me filling in on
[0:44] Speaker 2: this show was that you told me it wasn't going
[0:46] Speaker 2: to be a ranking show.
[0:47] Speaker 3: So it's great music to my ears.
[0:50] Speaker 1: I know you don't like that, but yes, we've still
[0:52] Speaker 1: got some big ones to go wide receivers, quarterbacks that's
[0:55] Speaker 1: coming up in the future. For now, we'll talk about
[0:58] Speaker 1: a guy that will be very high on that quarterback's
[1:01] Speaker 1: ranking show, but maybe not number one because Patrick Mahomes
[1:04] Speaker 1: might not be ready for Week one, and we're only
[1:06] Speaker 1: talking about twenty twenty six. The Chiefs are not worried
[1:09] Speaker 1: about just twenty twenty six. They're thinking all the way
[1:13] Speaker 1: to twenty thirty three. What will we be doing in
[1:15] Speaker 1: twenty thirty three? Who knows. If Patrick Mahomes actually finishes
[1:20] Speaker 1: out his contract that he just signed with the Chiefs,
[1:23] Speaker 1: he will be still playing for Kansas City. They extend
[1:27] Speaker 1: his contract two years. The total remaining years on the
[1:30] Speaker 1: contract eight. The total amount of money a little over
[1:34] Speaker 1: five hundred.
[1:36] Speaker 3: Dollars million greg million dollars.
[1:39] Speaker 1: No, I think it's just five hundred dollars. They're paying
[1:41] Speaker 1: him about like forty eight forty nine dollars per season.
[1:45] Speaker 1: They've been like restructuring this every year practically since they
[1:48] Speaker 1: sign it. It's like they go to the bank and
[1:50] Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes just helps him out. He was falling lower
[1:54] Speaker 1: and lower on the average salary and so they needed
[1:57] Speaker 1: to do something about that. And yet I've seen all
[2:01] Speaker 1: this like reporting on this deal. It's like, this is
[2:03] Speaker 1: crazy that it's a half a billion dollars. Like, of course,
[2:06] Speaker 1: if anyone's worth it, it's it's Patrick Mahomes. And my
[2:09] Speaker 1: biggest takeaway was, just like man, Patrick Mahomes just signing
[2:11] Speaker 1: another team friendly deal for the Chiefs. He is just
[2:15] Speaker 1: that guy, whether he wants to be or not. That's
[2:18] Speaker 1: just like kind of helping them out with their salary
[2:20] Speaker 1: cap despite all the money in this deal.
[2:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we had a news cycle I
[2:24] Speaker 2: believe last off season as well or the one before that,
[2:28] Speaker 2: that he was poised to become the first like half
[2:30] Speaker 2: a billion dollar quarterback.
[2:33] Speaker 3: So this is not new.
[2:34] Speaker 2: This is good business just by the Chiefs and obviously
[2:37] Speaker 2: for Patrick Mahomes too, because this can help them not
[2:42] Speaker 2: only have a set number for him for while they
[2:44] Speaker 2: maneuver what their roster is going to look like this
[2:46] Speaker 2: season and beyond.
[2:47] Speaker 3: My colleague Jesse Nowell.
[2:49] Speaker 2: At The Athletic is reporting that the cap number in
[2:53] Speaker 2: twenty twenty six for this contract does not change at all,
[2:56] Speaker 2: so helps them in the short term. They have very
[2:58] Speaker 2: very limited on cap spasis and there are areas of
[3:01] Speaker 2: their roster that are a little bit top heavy just
[3:04] Speaker 2: in terms of probably turn overcoming.
[3:06] Speaker 3: So this just helps.
[3:08] Speaker 2: This helps them, Like I like how you put it at
[3:09] Speaker 2: the bank of Mahomes, because that's exactly what it is.
[3:13] Speaker 1: And yet, to be fair, the new money on the deal,
[3:16] Speaker 1: which is only two years, is two hundred and thirty
[3:19] Speaker 1: nine million dollars, so the new money, like that's one
[3:22] Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen per year. But they had to do
[3:24] Speaker 1: that to make his average go up enough to pass
[3:28] Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. So he's you know, he's in the now.
[3:30] Speaker 1: He's in the sixties in terms of average. When I
[3:32] Speaker 1: say that it's friendly to the team in some ways,
[3:35] Speaker 1: it's because obviously as the years go on, this will
[3:38] Speaker 1: you know, decrease, but more that if you have him
[3:41] Speaker 1: signed up for eight years, like they will just control
[3:44] Speaker 1: the rest of his career. And that's fine. He is
[3:45] Speaker 1: fine with that. He wants to be a Chief for life.
[3:48] Speaker 1: They'll very likely renegotiate this in three or four years
[3:52] Speaker 1: as long as he's playing at a high level and
[3:54] Speaker 1: is interesting. No, he's got the first four years of
[3:56] Speaker 1: this contract guaranteed, so it's not quite Deshaun Watson's fully
[4:01] Speaker 1: guaranteed contract, but in terms of total years, it's four
[4:04] Speaker 1: fits of the way there. So that is a you know,
[4:06] Speaker 1: quote unquote concession that the Chiefs made giving him an
[4:09] Speaker 1: extra year or two fully guaranteed that even the best
[4:12] Speaker 1: quarterbacks haven't gotten then, So that's nice, but this isn't
[4:16] Speaker 1: changing my world. It You know what has changed my world,
[4:20] Speaker 1: Jordan is just seeing all the AI social posts very
[4:24] Speaker 1: annoying like that, the quotes coming out from the team
[4:28] Speaker 1: and the GM and everything about Patrick Woms, it's all
[4:32] Speaker 1: in the same format. I keep bringing this up because, like,
[4:34] Speaker 1: I got invited to like a fifth grade party this week,
[4:37] Speaker 1: and then I see different players camps getting put out
[4:40] Speaker 1: and then teams putting out their training camp schedule and
[4:42] Speaker 1: they all look the exact same, and it bothers me,
[4:45] Speaker 1: Like it just annoys me. Yeah, you all look the same.
[4:48] Speaker 1: We know what you're doing.
[4:49] Speaker 2: We could do an entire separate show on the vampiric
[4:54] Speaker 2: effect on creativity that AI is having on our society
[4:59] Speaker 2: at large, and also the dwindling AI literacy that's.
[5:04] Speaker 3: Having in effect on our society at large.
[5:07] Speaker 2: That's not this show, Greg, No, but yes I could.
[5:10] Speaker 3: I could stand on that hill and shout for quite
[5:12] Speaker 3: some time.
[5:13] Speaker 1: I think we keep you on your toes. Jordan on
[5:15] Speaker 1: a Thursday morning, early as I as I get ready
[5:18] Speaker 1: for some I.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Know I don't really talk to people at this hour, Yes,
[5:22] Speaker 2: but if I'm going to talk to someone, I will
[5:24] Speaker 2: talk to you.
[5:24] Speaker 1: Greg. I'm going to bring the energy to make up
[5:27] Speaker 1: for it. I just don't think it's a good look
[5:29] Speaker 1: that the fifth grade pool party has literally the exact
[5:33] Speaker 1: same layout as a professional NFL billionaire teams plans for
[5:38] Speaker 1: training camp, and they look at they all look the
[5:40] Speaker 1: exact same all right, Alec Pierce is our next in
[5:43] Speaker 1: our news. Actually, let's hit just one or two other
[5:46] Speaker 1: really small chiefs things, which is I saw that Andy
[5:49] Speaker 1: Reid said the right tackle battle is totally up for grabs.
[5:54] Speaker 1: It is a little concerning to me that Jalen Moore,
[5:56] Speaker 1: who they gave all that money to, at right tackles
[5:59] Speaker 1: like in the middle of a bat with an undrafted
[6:01] Speaker 1: free agent. So I found that interesting. And then your
[6:04] Speaker 1: colleague got the athletic Jesse Nowle noted I Marii de
[6:07] Speaker 1: Marcado might be the running back too right now, if
[6:09] Speaker 1: you're into that sort of thing. So, just like I
[6:12] Speaker 1: like throwing out these little nuggets as they break for
[6:15] Speaker 1: the offseasons, go let's go to Alec Pierce next. Alec
[6:17] Speaker 1: Pierce is expected now, according to Stephen Holder at ESPN,
[6:21] Speaker 1: to be out through the preseason, through much of training camp,
[6:26] Speaker 1: maybe he could return late in the preseason, right before
[6:29] Speaker 1: training camp. Pierce talked too, and it does point out
[6:32] Speaker 1: that this surgery that he had on his ankle was
[6:35] Speaker 1: really serious. It's a four to six month recovery. Do
[6:38] Speaker 1: the math, Jordan, if like that's one that he had
[6:40] Speaker 1: had in September, that would have knocked him out the
[6:42] Speaker 1: whole season. And he said publicly this is not something
[6:45] Speaker 1: that they were hoping or planning to do when he
[6:48] Speaker 1: signed that big contract for the Colts. It makes you
[6:51] Speaker 1: wonder like how his free agency would have gone maybe
[6:55] Speaker 1: a little differently if he had had that surgery, let's say,
[6:57] Speaker 1: in January.
[6:58] Speaker 2: Well, and if this was more public knowledge. I find
[7:01] Speaker 2: it really hard to believe that the Colts didn't at
[7:04] Speaker 2: least think he had to have something done. Right, But
[7:06] Speaker 2: the level, like to me, some of the phrasing and
[7:09] Speaker 2: some of the vibes I'm getting from his you know,
[7:12] Speaker 2: his comments from the team, from the reporting around it
[7:15] Speaker 2: is that they knew, they knew he was going to
[7:17] Speaker 2: have some sort of cleanup quote, you know, essentially, but
[7:20] Speaker 2: then this becomes something a lot more serious.
[7:22] Speaker 3: That's concerning you know, he is one of.
[7:24] Speaker 2: The most explosive receivers in the NFL, and now he's
[7:28] Speaker 2: his timeline is is a little bit more tentative than
[7:32] Speaker 2: it otherwise felt like it should have been or would
[7:34] Speaker 2: have been. And I also think it's interesting because it
[7:36] Speaker 2: kind of puts him on a more Daniel Jones esque
[7:39] Speaker 2: timeline too, So maybe on some level they're looking at
[7:43] Speaker 2: it that way of like, Okay, we're going to get
[7:44] Speaker 2: like our two guys that we paid back at around
[7:47] Speaker 2: the same time.
[7:47] Speaker 3: We'll just figure it out until then.
[7:49] Speaker 1: Just adds a little layer of difficulty that the real
[7:53] Speaker 1: difficulty for Daniel Jones and Aleck Pierce to get up
[7:56] Speaker 1: to speed. And yet you're you're right, he said the
[7:58] Speaker 1: initial plan was for him to rehabit and they had
[8:01] Speaker 1: a special transfusion and all this stuff that they tried
[8:04] Speaker 1: to do that and let it rest for six or
[8:06] Speaker 1: eight weeks, and then it didn't happen, and so they
[8:07] Speaker 1: had to unfortunately go for option number two, which was
[8:10] Speaker 1: get this big surgery three weeks after he signed or
[8:13] Speaker 1: after the offseason started, and he signed that contract. You
[8:16] Speaker 1: know who'll sign a big contract the weight bearing wall.
[8:18] Speaker 1: I was referring to Aaron Brewer, the All Pro center
[8:22] Speaker 1: for the Dolphins gets a three year, fifty two million
[8:25] Speaker 1: dollar extension. I know you're big on the Dolphins sprint rebuild,
[8:29] Speaker 1: and Aaron Brewer are a big, big part of that.
[8:32] Speaker 2: Yes, I you know, I say I will always say
[8:35] Speaker 2: weight bearing Wall because I think it's hilarious. Jeff Hafley
[8:39] Speaker 2: and John Eric Sullivan call them pillars, which probably is
[8:42] Speaker 2: a little bit more flattering, honestly, but I just think
[8:45] Speaker 2: weight bearing Wall is funnier.
[8:46] Speaker 3: So this is great.
[8:48] Speaker 2: One of the best centers in the NFL, A great story,
[8:52] Speaker 2: a great journey for him, Still very underrated. I think
[8:55] Speaker 2: more people are catching on him. Certainly his peers are.
[8:58] Speaker 2: He was a runner up for Protector of the U
[9:00] Speaker 2: which is voted upon by a board of current former
[9:03] Speaker 2: offensive linemen, so appreciate that he's getting a little pop there.
[9:07] Speaker 2: He's outstanding, He's excellent, and I think that, you know,
[9:11] Speaker 2: when we talk about what a sprint rebuild actually is,
[9:15] Speaker 2: and I know people probably tired of me saying those words,
[9:19] Speaker 2: it's not just having good players at key positions. It's
[9:23] Speaker 2: having among the best in the NFL players at certain
[9:26] Speaker 2: positions that lift the rest of the floor of your
[9:29] Speaker 2: roster and really solidify elements of things that are very
[9:33] Speaker 2: very important to that roster, the offensive line being one
[9:35] Speaker 2: of them here. So I just think this is great
[9:38] Speaker 2: once again the Dolphins. Whether or not they're actually any
[9:42] Speaker 2: good this year remains to be seen.
[9:44] Speaker 3: But that's part of it.
[9:45] Speaker 2: Is like their roster, a lot of it looks very
[9:47] Speaker 2: questionable on paper, but what you can't really question, in
[9:51] Speaker 2: my opinion, is the process and the blueprint that they're following.
[9:54] Speaker 2: And so I appreciate good process. I'm a process girly,
[9:57] Speaker 2: so I like seeing what they're doing.
[9:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have guys on the offensive line that
[10:02] Speaker 1: they hope can get to that level that Aaron Brewer
[10:06] Speaker 1: is at. Patrick Paul is a promising left tackle. They
[10:08] Speaker 1: of course use their first ever draft pick in this
[10:11] Speaker 1: regime on Caleb Procter in top of the first round,
[10:15] Speaker 1: and so they hope that they develop into those guys.
[10:18] Speaker 1: The Cowboys are still in OTA's They are not one
[10:20] Speaker 1: of the teams that's breaking for the offseason. By the way,
[10:22] Speaker 1: we have a very fun segment Jordan came up with
[10:25] Speaker 1: players should have mentioned just some corporate goodbyes for the
[10:29] Speaker 1: teams that are going on a break. Maybe the communication
[10:33] Speaker 1: they will use some corporate lingo as they say goodbye
[10:37] Speaker 1: for about forty days, but the Cowboys still have work
[10:39] Speaker 1: next week. I thought it was interesting that Brian Schottenheimer
[10:41] Speaker 1: said there was a wide open competition at both left
[10:44] Speaker 1: tackle and cornerback left tackles fascinating because Tyler Guidon is
[10:48] Speaker 1: a first round pick from a couple of years ago,
[10:49] Speaker 1: and the other option is one of their weight bearing walls,
[10:53] Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, who openly doesn't want to play left tackle.
[10:56] Speaker 1: He plays left guard, and so he's hoping that Tyler
[10:59] Speaker 1: Booker looks good enough, or rather Tyler Geyton. I'm mixing
[11:03] Speaker 1: up by Tyler's he plays well enough so that he
[11:06] Speaker 1: doesn't have to play, So that is an open competition. Also,
[11:08] Speaker 1: cornerback is wide open. Deron Bland is hurt there, Kobe
[11:11] Speaker 1: Durance in the mix, Ron Ravel is in the mix,
[11:14] Speaker 1: so that just some battles to watch. One guy who
[11:17] Speaker 1: doesn't need to earn a spot as a starter is
[11:18] Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales for the Patriots, who did show up for
[11:22] Speaker 1: mini camp this week, but said, look, I want to
[11:24] Speaker 1: be rewarded as a member of the Patriots, and he's
[11:27] Speaker 1: doing the hold in type of thing, kind of like
[11:29] Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette over in Arizona. He is actually not working out,
[11:32] Speaker 1: so just something to watch as training camp approaches.
[11:37] Speaker 3: I always kind of like a hold like a hold in.
[11:39] Speaker 2: I always think that it's a little bit more passive
[11:42] Speaker 2: aggressive in a positive way for the player for a
[11:46] Speaker 2: hold in, because when things go wrong, they're standing there
[11:49] Speaker 2: watching it right and just sort of receiving more validation.
[11:52] Speaker 2: Why they should be, you know, getting paid. Christian Zalez
[11:56] Speaker 2: is one of the best young corners in the entire NFL.
[11:59] Speaker 2: There with some concern obviously with the injury patterns in
[12:02] Speaker 2: the history and all of that, but he should be
[12:04] Speaker 2: getting paid. I don't really see a reason why they
[12:07] Speaker 2: would drag this out very long into training camp, although
[12:10] Speaker 2: you know, at his level, I don't think he I
[12:14] Speaker 2: don't think it would be terrible if he missed some
[12:15] Speaker 2: time like some of training camp. But I just I
[12:18] Speaker 2: really don't expect this. I would not expect this to
[12:20] Speaker 2: drag on because what they have shown us is that
[12:23] Speaker 2: they are willing to reward their good players. And it
[12:26] Speaker 2: sounds like, you know, Mike Rabel has been asked about
[12:29] Speaker 2: this a little bit throughout the offseason, and it does
[12:32] Speaker 2: sound like you know at least there's a positive trend
[12:34] Speaker 2: in that direction.
[12:36] Speaker 1: It's a tricky one because do you give him Patrick's
[12:39] Speaker 1: Ertan money or close to it, like that's the level
[12:41] Speaker 1: that he's played at. I think Mike Rabel wanted to
[12:45] Speaker 1: see it first last year, and he obviously played really
[12:48] Speaker 1: well at the end of the season, played well over all.
[12:50] Speaker 3: He did really well too.
[12:51] Speaker 1: Incredible, was among their best players, if not their best.
[12:55] Speaker 1: But he also has two years left on his deal
[12:57] Speaker 1: because he has that fifth year option. So if you're
[13:00] Speaker 1: the Patriots, they want a little bit of a discount
[13:02] Speaker 1: because there's still two years left. Do you give them
[13:05] Speaker 1: that monster money. Devin Witherspoon, you know, is another cornerback
[13:10] Speaker 1: that's due monster money. So watching those two guys, All right,
[13:13] Speaker 1: it's time for the off season ride along presented by
[13:16] Speaker 1: Toyota at Raiders Camp. I think it's a little concerning
[13:18] Speaker 1: na Kobe Dean hasn't been out there at all. We
[13:20] Speaker 1: don't really get much injury information this time of year,
[13:23] Speaker 1: so we don't know the reason for that. But he's
[13:24] Speaker 1: had a lot of injuries in his career. And then
[13:27] Speaker 1: you know who is out there is Fernando Mendoza, who
[13:30] Speaker 1: is working with the twos and the three so far.
[13:32] Speaker 1: I feel like everyone really got on the Jaguars back
[13:35] Speaker 1: in the day for not letting Trevor Lawrence work with
[13:37] Speaker 1: the ones right away. This is a different situation and
[13:40] Speaker 1: we're not at training camp, but sometimes Mendoza is even
[13:43] Speaker 1: with the third team. Let's listen to Mendoza talk about
[13:47] Speaker 1: his transition to this offense under Clint Kubiak.
[13:51] Speaker 4: There're a similar situation going from cal to Indiana, and
[13:54] Speaker 4: you had to learn it in a hurry. Yes, with
[13:56] Speaker 4: some high expectations at Indiana, and it didn't necessarily always
[13:59] Speaker 4: start off well, but it got better, It got better,
[14:01] Speaker 4: it got better.
[14:02] Speaker 1: How much can that benefit you in this transition?
[14:06] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[14:07] Speaker 6: I think having that experience of coming from cal to
[14:12] Speaker 6: then go to Indiana and honestly having a really rough
[14:14] Speaker 6: spring in Indiana of learning there's a big learning curve
[14:17] Speaker 6: to now which is I wanna say which now? You know,
[14:20] Speaker 6: with more experience and having dealt with that transition already,
[14:24] Speaker 6: it has been smoother in the fact of learning new offense,
[14:27] Speaker 6: getting new information, learning new teammates, receivers, offensive linemen, and
[14:31] Speaker 6: being able to take that experience and have a neutral
[14:35] Speaker 6: mindset of where Hey, I'm learning, I'm growing. This isn't
[14:39] Speaker 6: the super Bowl today. This day, I'm trying to become
[14:42] Speaker 6: the best version of myself so I can best serve
[14:44] Speaker 6: my teammates down the road.
[14:45] Speaker 1: You're going to put on your media critic at here, Jordan,
[14:48] Speaker 1: your thoughts of the question, the answer, the presentation right
[14:52] Speaker 1: now with Mendoza.
[14:53] Speaker 2: I just think that players have to really appreciate when
[14:58] Speaker 2: the answer is in the question itself, honestly, because I
[15:03] Speaker 2: that's exactly what the question. I mean, really, he answered
[15:06] Speaker 2: exactly what he knew what the answer should be for
[15:11] Speaker 2: at all.
[15:12] Speaker 1: He laughed a little listening to the question, like like
[15:15] Speaker 1: maybe he understood that too well.
[15:17] Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, you know, when this time of year,
[15:21] Speaker 2: if you're going to set up what you're going to
[15:22] Speaker 2: write about, then go for it, you know, because and
[15:25] Speaker 2: he's going to answer it. He's he's been he's been
[15:27] Speaker 2: a quote like a kind of a quote machine, uh,
[15:31] Speaker 2: in that regard for as long as we've he's been
[15:33] Speaker 2: on our radar over the last calendar year. So this
[15:37] Speaker 2: seems no different to me. I wish I had his
[15:41] Speaker 2: level of energy the you know, the when he first
[15:46] Speaker 2: came onto the screen. His his eyes were very wide,
[15:48] Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, I should open mind
[15:50] Speaker 2: a little bit more at this moment.
[15:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a question charmingly earnest or getting too
[15:58] Speaker 1: much love for his earnest personality by some in the media.
[16:02] Speaker 1: I've heard some criticism. I want to hear your vantage
[16:05] Speaker 1: point here.
[16:05] Speaker 2: I have also heard some criticism, but I'm like, also
[16:08] Speaker 2: an earnest person and sometimes that ca grate on people.
[16:12] Speaker 2: I understand that, but I'd rather be that way than cynical.
[16:16] Speaker 3: So good for him. I love that for him. I
[16:18] Speaker 3: hope he stays that way.
[16:19] Speaker 2: Also, more serious answer to your question, I feel like
[16:24] Speaker 2: this is exactly what the Raiders told us they were
[16:26] Speaker 2: going to do with him, so it should not surprise
[16:30] Speaker 2: anybody to see this. They literally told us this is
[16:33] Speaker 2: what his progression would be, and this is where he
[16:35] Speaker 2: would start as the two, if not, you know, even
[16:38] Speaker 2: further down, taking some of those scout team reps whatever. Like,
[16:42] Speaker 2: they told us exactly this, So this is I mean,
[16:47] Speaker 2: not really to me. I mean, I know it's snoozy fine,
[16:49] Speaker 2: but this is exactly what they said they were going
[16:51] Speaker 2: to do. Just like the question, it's all laid out
[16:55] Speaker 2: for us right there.
[16:56] Speaker 1: It is. It'll be interesting to watch how it is
[16:58] Speaker 1: in training camp.
[16:59] Speaker 7: Now.
[16:59] Speaker 1: It's more we're just trying to, you know, have different
[17:01] Speaker 1: textures in the show, some some different sound and I
[17:04] Speaker 1: too land on charmingly earnest. But I think it's fair
[17:07] Speaker 1: if people just get annoyed at some of the fanboys
[17:11] Speaker 1: in the media get annoyed at the media, though, don't
[17:12] Speaker 1: get annoyed at the man Fernando, who I find charmingly ernest.
[17:16] Speaker 1: You know who else?
[17:17] Speaker 2: I think when people get annoyed at the media, either
[17:19] Speaker 2: just saying like we just everyone just be nice to
[17:22] Speaker 2: each other.
[17:23] Speaker 3: How about that? What a concept be Brazinski's I love
[17:25] Speaker 3: that bit from your show. Everyone just chill.
[17:29] Speaker 1: People deserve our annoyance, but not us. We're the weight
[17:32] Speaker 1: bearing walls for iHeartMedia. I hope they're listening out there,
[17:37] Speaker 1: NFL media too. Everyone. That was the off season ride
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[17:48] Speaker 1: and find the vehicle that fits your people. Dalton Schultz
[17:52] Speaker 1: came on our show after you know, the AFC Championship,
[17:57] Speaker 1: so at that point it was weeks and weeks removed
[17:59] Speaker 1: from when and his Texans went down in the divisional round,
[18:03] Speaker 1: and yet he was so sad in that interview, but
[18:06] Speaker 1: also just showed how much he cared. And so I've
[18:09] Speaker 1: just been on the Schultz radar for some sound this offseason.
[18:14] Speaker 1: A good talker, and I like the way that he
[18:16] Speaker 1: talked about how he sees his offense looking different this offseason.
[18:21] Speaker 5: And I think from the new faces that we have
[18:24] Speaker 5: and the new guys that we brought in, Like that's
[18:26] Speaker 5: the first thing that's jumped out to me, is just
[18:28] Speaker 5: the mindset. Like I think Demico threw a few clips
[18:33] Speaker 5: on in the first week of like pulling some of
[18:36] Speaker 5: the old line back, saying like hey, like we can't
[18:39] Speaker 5: you know, on pass block and we can't go clean
[18:42] Speaker 5: out like a d N who's just kind of sitting
[18:45] Speaker 5: there holding up. We had, you know, guys flying around
[18:48] Speaker 5: trying to trying to hit people, and so I think,
[18:51] Speaker 5: you know, just that from that mindset, like that's a
[18:55] Speaker 5: problem that we hadn't necessarily had for the last couple
[18:58] Speaker 5: of years, and that's something that jumped out like immediately,
[19:01] Speaker 5: like having to pull guys back and be like, hey,
[19:03] Speaker 5: like slow down, which usually what he's saying to the defense,
[19:06] Speaker 5: So to see it on the offensive side it was nice.
[19:10] Speaker 1: I love it. It's a little offseason trophy, but I
[19:13] Speaker 1: but I still think it's a good sign, which is
[19:15] Speaker 1: the hey we're having that tell our guys to back
[19:18] Speaker 1: off a little bit because they're going too hard at
[19:20] Speaker 1: that Texans defense.
[19:21] Speaker 2: The O line's game's really slowing down for them. Greg No,
[19:25] Speaker 2: I like this. He was so sad that week. I
[19:29] Speaker 2: remember we sat back and we kind of just looked
[19:31] Speaker 2: at each other after the interview, and I remember Eric
[19:34] Speaker 2: came over to debrief with us and we were like,
[19:37] Speaker 2: he was so sad. It was we and and I
[19:40] Speaker 2: get it. They were To me, they were They should
[19:42] Speaker 2: have been a favorite. They were one of my favorites
[19:45] Speaker 2: to go all the way last year, and it to
[19:47] Speaker 2: be in the in the championship game, if not close
[19:50] Speaker 2: contention for it.
[19:53] Speaker 3: But I like that.
[19:53] Speaker 2: I don't really mind that it's trophy. I think that
[19:57] Speaker 2: they needed it, and the offensive line in particular, and
[20:01] Speaker 2: I think it's very specific that he brought those guys up.
[20:03] Speaker 3: He's good. He's good at the podium like that.
[20:07] Speaker 2: They all know that that's the number one criticism of
[20:11] Speaker 2: this roster and this team right now. So to bring
[20:14] Speaker 2: them up and sort of try to gas them up
[20:17] Speaker 2: from afar, that's a good locker room. That's what good
[20:20] Speaker 2: teammates do. We'll see if it's actually real when the
[20:23] Speaker 2: pads come on, but I do like it. It shows
[20:27] Speaker 2: a real connectedness to me that he's sort of picking
[20:31] Speaker 2: his spots to do good pr for his teammates.
[20:35] Speaker 1: Tank Dell has been in and out of the off
[20:37] Speaker 1: season program, not doing full teamwork at mini camp, but
[20:39] Speaker 1: I just like seeing them out there running routes. Nice
[20:42] Speaker 1: to see. I'm also buying all there's more. CJ. Stroud
[20:45] Speaker 1: looks better, is playing better hype than maybe anyone else
[20:49] Speaker 1: in the entire offseason, and I wish I had bought
[20:52] Speaker 1: stock in him the other day in our buying stock segment,
[20:54] Speaker 1: I would also buy stock and Colston levelin as the
[20:56] Speaker 1: tight end one in Chicago, but also just the wide
[21:00] Speaker 1: receiver one. Ben Johnson this week called him the most consistent,
[21:03] Speaker 1: were one of the most consistent players that he's ever
[21:05] Speaker 1: been around. He's been around a lot of players, and
[21:08] Speaker 1: it's just all systems go for Lovelin kind of as
[21:10] Speaker 1: the hub of that offense, Brandon Ayuk. I don't think
[21:13] Speaker 1: it's going to be the hub of any offense this year.
[21:17] Speaker 1: We'll see if he's even a member of the Washington Commanders.
[21:19] Speaker 1: I think there's some red flags about that for them.
[21:22] Speaker 1: But he keeps releasing these social videos, and we alluded
[21:27] Speaker 1: to it the other day, so I don't want to
[21:29] Speaker 1: linger on it. But he had another one that came
[21:31] Speaker 1: out this week just saying that the forty nine ers
[21:33] Speaker 1: were mad that they paid him fifty million dollars in
[21:36] Speaker 1: eight months, which you know, I don't think is going
[21:38] Speaker 1: to make the commanders feel great about signing him now.
[21:41] Speaker 1: But he's clearly trying to push publicly at least that's
[21:43] Speaker 1: what it looks like to get released. You know who's
[21:46] Speaker 1: not going to get released is another one of the
[21:48] Speaker 1: great young tight ends in the NFL. That's Tucker Kraft.
[21:52] Speaker 1: Let's listen to him talk about his recovery. Obviously, the Packers'
[21:58] Speaker 1: offense was not the same after his injury a year ago.
[22:01] Speaker 1: He is working his way back.
[22:04] Speaker 4: I starting the starting camp on the puff and coming
[22:07] Speaker 4: off camp. My anticipation is, you know, they don't really
[22:11] Speaker 4: want us talking about our injuries and stuff, But with
[22:13] Speaker 4: how I feel, I would say I'm gonna get all
[22:16] Speaker 4: the conditioning I need in camp to start week one
[22:19] Speaker 4: on NOE pitch count.
[22:20] Speaker 2: I love when players do that just as a reporter,
[22:22] Speaker 2: because the teams are so angsty about it. He's right,
[22:26] Speaker 2: they don't want them talking about their injury. That the
[22:29] Speaker 2: coaches will sidestep however many questions and actual, like legitimate
[22:35] Speaker 2: answers as possible for as long as they can. And
[22:38] Speaker 2: I just I really appreciate when a player is just like,
[22:41] Speaker 2: I don't care about any of that. I'm just gonna
[22:42] Speaker 2: tell you what's going on and I will be back.
[22:45] Speaker 1: It's a great sign. And when I saw the insider
[22:48] Speaker 1: schefter ian kind of co sign, it maybe like they
[22:50] Speaker 1: had been hearing that too. You never know. Players are
[22:53] Speaker 1: always optimistic, but that's a great sign. I noted too
[22:56] Speaker 1: when we're talking just little nuggets and the Packers are
[22:58] Speaker 1: one of the teams that are wrapped up their off
[23:01] Speaker 1: season for the Veterans on Thursday. They do have rookies
[23:04] Speaker 1: working out next week, but in terms of the veterans,
[23:07] Speaker 1: they're basically done that. Matt Lafleur noted rookie offensive lineman Yager,
[23:13] Speaker 1: Burton working with the ones, saying in line for playing time,
[23:17] Speaker 1: so they're actually still maybe figuring out their offensive line.
[23:20] Speaker 1: But sometimes this time of year. I know, now it's
[23:22] Speaker 1: non padded work, so it doesn't mean that much, but
[23:25] Speaker 1: sometimes guys like that pop up a little bit and
[23:27] Speaker 1: they're still trying to figure out like the right five
[23:29] Speaker 1: for their offensive line.
[23:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know, we've heard some from
[23:32] Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur this off season about reconnecting with the locker room,
[23:37] Speaker 2: reconnecting with his offense and sort of retooling a lot
[23:41] Speaker 2: of it as well. And I think this is a
[23:43] Speaker 2: good personal pr move for him with the Vets because
[23:47] Speaker 2: the Vets want to see that the rookies have to
[23:49] Speaker 2: do something that they don't have to do. And then
[23:52] Speaker 2: on Yager, it's great Green Bay Packers alignment name by
[23:57] Speaker 2: the way, Oh yeah, Kentucky right, because and that's like
[24:00] Speaker 2: a zone. I mean, it makes sense. It's sort of
[24:02] Speaker 2: a tell for me. It's his own team. It's a
[24:05] Speaker 2: team will Stein is there. It's a team that does
[24:08] Speaker 2: a lot of its principles that are predicated off of
[24:10] Speaker 2: this Shanahan system, early iterations of it that ran a
[24:15] Speaker 2: lot his own, and so I think, like, yeah, that
[24:17] Speaker 2: makes sense.
[24:18] Speaker 3: It's sort of a tell for me.
[24:19] Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't make sense me saying his name
[24:22] Speaker 1: was Yoger, just guessing because.
[24:27] Speaker 3: Is it just Jagger Jagger Jagger.
[24:29] Speaker 2: Still we're going to forever refer to him as Jaeger
[24:34] Speaker 2: on this show.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Jaeger Yoger, Yager. He's a rookie, but apparently he is.
[24:38] Speaker 3: Actually he does a run. He yogs is.
[24:41] Speaker 1: Jagger, which is you know, like named after Mick Spaking
[24:46] Speaker 1: a great wordplay craft just dropped in a line in
[24:50] Speaker 1: the middle of his press conference that I had not heard,
[24:54] Speaker 1: and he said, look, you know, we haven't been He
[24:56] Speaker 1: was pretty upset about how last season ended, how they
[24:59] Speaker 1: keep losing. He says, it's no slight to anyone who's
[25:03] Speaker 1: been here, but we haven't. We haven't performed well enough.
[25:07] Speaker 1: You know, It's it's time to nut up or shut up.
[25:10] Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh, not up or shut up,
[25:12] Speaker 1: Like I didn't know that.
[25:14] Speaker 3: That's a phrase You've never heard nut up or shut up?
[25:17] Speaker 1: No, No, we got to put that on a T shirt. Yeah,
[25:19] Speaker 1: not uper shut up. He says that he said football
[25:23] Speaker 1: is as simple as that.
[25:24] Speaker 8: I don't.
[25:24] Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about it. It's not Uper
[25:26] Speaker 1: shut up time for the Green Bay Packers, It's not
[25:28] Speaker 1: up for shut up time for the corporate lingo. See
[25:33] Speaker 1: you for the summer segment. We are going to take
[25:35] Speaker 1: a quick break, and when we come back, we're gonna
[25:38] Speaker 1: go through a couple teams that just sent some corporate
[25:41] Speaker 1: jingle reminders to their players before breaking for the next
[25:46] Speaker 1: forty days or so. Back on NFL Daily. Apparently, not
[26:00] Speaker 1: upper shut up a commonly used phrase that our producer
[26:04] Speaker 1: Eric even uses with his two year old. Everyone knows
[26:07] Speaker 1: not upper shut up. Now I do as well. I'm
[26:11] Speaker 1: more familiar with the corporate lingo.
[26:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, you've sent some emails in your day.
[26:20] Speaker 1: I'm a little removed from it now. I gotta be honest.
[26:22] Speaker 1: You know we're here, we're making shows. Eric does a
[26:25] Speaker 1: great job shielding me from the shield in some ways,
[26:29] Speaker 1: and we're in our little bubble. I don't feel like
[26:33] Speaker 1: our job is too corporate. The most corporate thing about
[26:35] Speaker 1: the job is having to fill out all the security
[26:39] Speaker 1: videos and answer quizzes at the end of him and
[26:42] Speaker 1: variety of those like once a month and stuff like that.
[26:45] Speaker 1: But otherwise I don't feel like it's a corporate You're
[26:48] Speaker 1: you know, you've worked for multiple corporations, so I'm really
[26:50] Speaker 1: excited to see where you take this. And yes, as
[26:53] Speaker 1: I mentioned, over half the league broke for the summer
[26:56] Speaker 1: this week. A number of teams will be doing that
[26:59] Speaker 1: next week. But for the teams that broke this week,
[27:01] Speaker 1: we have just some communications going out.
[27:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've all been there.
[27:06] Speaker 2: I think we've all gotten the before summer break email.
[27:09] Speaker 2: I think we've all gotten the corporate speak, whether it's
[27:13] Speaker 2: on Slack or via email or g chat or even
[27:17] Speaker 2: on like some sort of PowerPoint presentation, corporate language is
[27:22] Speaker 2: all around us, and even sometimes we might be guilty
[27:25] Speaker 2: of using it ourselves. My first one is for the
[27:29] Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens who broke camp this week for the summer.
[27:33] Speaker 2: This is a tribute of the eternally annoying I'm just
[27:35] Speaker 2: circling back before the break email.
[27:38] Speaker 3: That we've all gotten.
[27:40] Speaker 2: Here's actually a really not annoying circle back that I
[27:42] Speaker 2: thought was a nice touch for the Ravens. On Wednesday,
[27:45] Speaker 2: the coaching staff put kicker Tyler Loop out on the
[27:48] Speaker 2: field with a chance to send the players off the
[27:51] Speaker 2: field early about a half an hour before practice, and
[27:55] Speaker 2: therefore camp was scheduled to mini camp was scheduled to
[27:58] Speaker 2: actually end. And I loved the reports of his vibe
[28:02] Speaker 2: because if he was going to make a field goal,
[28:05] Speaker 2: he could send everybody home early.
[28:07] Speaker 3: If he missed it, you know.
[28:09] Speaker 2: With with specters of wide right sort of still looming
[28:12] Speaker 2: in his mind, then they would still have to practice.
[28:14] Speaker 2: And according to the Baltimore reporters there, Tyler Lup walked
[28:18] Speaker 2: on the field and told coaches to start packing their
[28:21] Speaker 2: stuff up and like, get ready to go home. Boy
[28:23] Speaker 2: is the kind of a thing. And so he makes
[28:25] Speaker 2: the kick, they go home early. I just thought, in
[28:28] Speaker 2: terms of circling back the way the Ravens circled back
[28:32] Speaker 2: on a really terrible memory of how their season or
[28:35] Speaker 2: postseason unfortunately ended, and how Tyler loop was was a
[28:39] Speaker 2: key element of that. To have this moment as the
[28:42] Speaker 2: last memory before their summer vacation, I thought was pretty solid.
[28:46] Speaker 1: That is great. And he spoke about a little bit
[28:49] Speaker 1: afterwards too, and that's an interesting spot there, and I
[28:53] Speaker 1: like it. It's a new coaching staff and you're you're
[28:56] Speaker 1: starting to start fresh. But man, imagine if you had
[28:58] Speaker 1: missed that kick, they totally duffed it to the right,
[29:02] Speaker 1: like everything sucks. Then you like like a total crisis.
[29:06] Speaker 1: It is sneaky, a lot of pressure. So they must
[29:09] Speaker 1: have been feeling great about what they had been seeing
[29:11] Speaker 1: from time.
[29:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, well they didn't bring in another kicker, they never did.
[29:15] Speaker 2: They don't didn't bring in competition, so I think that
[29:17] Speaker 2: helped too. The funny thing that I think about is like,
[29:21] Speaker 2: so for the listeners that don't know, in mini camp
[29:25] Speaker 2: and OTAs and training camp, they don't often use regulation
[29:30] Speaker 2: size field goalposts. They use what are called the skinny posts,
[29:33] Speaker 2: and they're about a third of the width of a
[29:36] Speaker 2: regular set of goalposts. They're easier to store obviously for
[29:40] Speaker 2: that reason, and then it also makes it a little
[29:42] Speaker 2: bit more challenging for the kicker to have to aim.
[29:45] Speaker 2: So it's like the stakes are already that your teammates
[29:47] Speaker 2: are going to be really annoyed with you if you
[29:50] Speaker 2: miss it. And then also they roll out in such
[29:52] Speaker 2: a high stakes situation this like circus set of goalposts,
[29:57] Speaker 2: which to me is like that even ups the end
[30:00] Speaker 2: to you a little bit more because you got to
[30:02] Speaker 2: hit it through a pinhole at that point.
[30:03] Speaker 1: That it's badass. It's Badass's that it sounds like he
[30:06] Speaker 1: had the right attitude. He said he heard from a
[30:08] Speaker 1: lot of other kickers who've gone through similar things, and
[30:11] Speaker 1: even some kickers' wives reached out to his wife. It's
[30:14] Speaker 1: like it's a whole community that and it's easy to
[30:17] Speaker 1: forget that they would have been a dangerous if nothing
[30:20] Speaker 1: else more, entertaining first round opponent for the Houston Texans
[30:24] Speaker 1: didn't happen. But now I think I think it worked
[30:26] Speaker 1: out better for them. I think they would have fired
[30:27] Speaker 1: John Harbaugh anyways, but you never know if maybe they
[30:30] Speaker 1: would have won a playoff game and then that would
[30:32] Speaker 1: have changed things. Because Declan Doyle lamar, like it's a
[30:36] Speaker 1: different vibe all the way around, and I'm excited to see,
[30:40] Speaker 1: like how that actually plays out.
[30:42] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[30:42] Speaker 2: I don't mean to overstate this because I think this
[30:45] Speaker 2: time of year, we do pay a lot of attention
[30:47] Speaker 2: and sometimes too much so to vibes coming out of
[30:51] Speaker 2: these ots or exciting reports coming out of these OTAs.
[30:55] Speaker 2: But Deckland Doyle another thing I do want to circle
[30:57] Speaker 2: back on Greg he He's given me a little bit
[31:00] Speaker 2: of Ben Johnson vibes in camp. First of all, the
[31:03] Speaker 2: way that players are talking about him. Second of all,
[31:06] Speaker 2: the way that he is on their asses every single day,
[31:11] Speaker 2: Like he took Mark Andrews off the field apparently, according
[31:15] Speaker 2: to reports there for a pre snap penalty that was
[31:18] Speaker 2: very Ben Johnson a year ago just remember like just
[31:21] Speaker 2: losing his gored absolute mind at these practices. He got
[31:25] Speaker 2: on Lamar Jackson for running the wrong play and Lamar
[31:29] Speaker 2: was laughing about it afterward that he cursed at him
[31:31] Speaker 2: and he was.
[31:31] Speaker 3: Like whoa man?
[31:32] Speaker 2: Like okay, and like was it seems like he's and
[31:36] Speaker 2: obviously Lamar is making light of it at the end
[31:39] Speaker 2: of the practice, but he's coaching hard over there, and
[31:42] Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. We'll see if he's really got
[31:45] Speaker 2: the stuff that they're saying about. I've heard really good
[31:47] Speaker 2: things even previous to him taking this job, but this
[31:52] Speaker 2: time year, it's always good to exercise caution about the
[31:54] Speaker 2: reports of the young new hotshot coordinator or assistant coach
[31:59] Speaker 2: that's on these teams. In this case, though, it is
[32:02] Speaker 2: something I'm gonna want to circle back on at training camp.
[32:05] Speaker 1: Lamar was seen in New York after the Knicks win,
[32:10] Speaker 1: celebrating with a bunch of Knicks fans just taking videos
[32:14] Speaker 1: outside and he's being super friendly about it. But I'm
[32:17] Speaker 1: not sure if that Lamar went to the game and
[32:19] Speaker 1: there were he did have some quotes that was like
[32:21] Speaker 1: the floor seats, you know, were so expensive, like it
[32:25] Speaker 1: was like fifty sixty K. Not the floor seats were crazy,
[32:28] Speaker 1: but even like the middle seat where you'd have to
[32:30] Speaker 1: be packed in, he was like, was like fifty K.
[32:32] Speaker 1: So I don't know if he actually paid the money
[32:34] Speaker 1: and he was just happened to be walking around New
[32:35] Speaker 1: York but celebrating the greatest comeback in finals history. All right, right?
[32:40] Speaker 1: Is that it for the Ravens or should we circle
[32:42] Speaker 1: back on We're.
[32:43] Speaker 3: Just one more thing?
[32:43] Speaker 2: Because he's his contract is not up this year obviously,
[32:49] Speaker 2: but there is some contract talk about him, and our
[32:52] Speaker 2: friend Ian Rapaport so on The Insiders the other day
[32:54] Speaker 2: that he would not be surprised if Lamar waited until
[32:57] Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven to really start pushing a little bit
[33:01] Speaker 2: more on that type of extension. He's got two years
[33:05] Speaker 2: left technically, has got next year and then a bunch
[33:07] Speaker 2: of void years, so undrafted free agency wouldn't be till
[33:12] Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, and then there's like a ton of
[33:13] Speaker 2: void years. But there's also there's also that question you
[33:17] Speaker 2: don't want to play, you know, you know, want your
[33:19] Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. Leading up to the last year of his deal,
[33:22] Speaker 2: and there was such an annoying cycle about that last
[33:27] Speaker 2: contract and teams putting statements out there that they're by
[33:31] Speaker 2: no means were that interested in have that work out
[33:33] Speaker 2: for you, Atlanta Falcons. So I just I'd like to
[33:36] Speaker 2: avoid the annoying parts this time around. You know, pay
[33:40] Speaker 2: your best players, pay your superstars. But it sounds like
[33:43] Speaker 2: he would also, according to what Rapaport was saying, would
[33:47] Speaker 2: also be willing to wait to probably up the price
[33:49] Speaker 2: a little bit more right.
[33:51] Speaker 1: I think this is the case, and you don't think
[33:53] Speaker 1: of this for a multiple MVP winner. He's betting on
[33:58] Speaker 1: himself because he knows he holds the leverage here. His
[34:01] Speaker 1: salary cap number is eighty four million dollars next year,
[34:05] Speaker 1: so you have to adjust that. It's forty two the
[34:07] Speaker 1: year after that. So that's a total of one twenty
[34:09] Speaker 1: six the next two years, and he's not coming off
[34:11] Speaker 1: his best season. I love this as a race. If
[34:13] Speaker 1: you're a Ravens fan and you're hearing this it's a
[34:15] Speaker 1: new like everything we've heard so far in terms of
[34:18] Speaker 1: the shape is and all that, it sounds great, And
[34:20] Speaker 1: to me it sounds like I think that price is
[34:23] Speaker 1: going to go up even more after the badass season
[34:25] Speaker 1: I have. And I'm going to have you over a
[34:28] Speaker 1: barrel because that contract is untenable for you right now
[34:31] Speaker 1: the way the way it's structured in.
[34:33] Speaker 3: The South and no contingency plan.
[34:36] Speaker 1: Yes, well, of course, yeah, there's there's no replacing Lamar Jacks. Yeah,
[34:41] Speaker 1: although we do have Snuwpuntley there, which which I like
[34:44] Speaker 1: yelling at a rookie. I saw in one of the
[34:46] Speaker 1: write ups from your colleague, get the athletic. All right,
[34:48] Speaker 1: let's go to the Eagles, where we have a bunch
[34:51] Speaker 1: of little things. But I actually was able to procure
[34:54] Speaker 1: an email from Sean Manny and to Jalen Hurds brief
[35:00] Speaker 1: but he says, before we break for the summer, I
[35:03] Speaker 1: just want to say how much I appreciated you saying
[35:06] Speaker 1: Tuesday that it was a good spring because you onboarded
[35:09] Speaker 1: a new system. The synergy between our run game and
[35:12] Speaker 1: pass game has never been better. There's greater alignment with
[35:15] Speaker 1: aj Brown out of the building, and I love to
[35:18] Speaker 1: hear that you are going to touch base offline with
[35:20] Speaker 1: the receivers before camp. Can't wait to id eight on
[35:24] Speaker 1: ways to scale this up after the break, ping me
[35:27] Speaker 1: when you are back in town. Seems like they're.
[35:29] Speaker 2: Going, oh my god, you hit all the Bengos. That's great,
[35:34] Speaker 2: Oh my god. I d eight offline was was That's
[35:39] Speaker 2: where I started losing the alignment.
[35:41] Speaker 1: There's there's always a lot of alignment. I tried to
[35:44] Speaker 1: jam decision tree in there. That's one of the most
[35:47] Speaker 1: annoying ones that I couldn't think of how to get
[35:50] Speaker 1: decision tree synergy though, to uh to pivot to some
[35:54] Speaker 1: actual points that they're they're trying to make some synergy
[35:58] Speaker 1: between the run game and the pass game. That's been
[36:00] Speaker 1: the issue. I think that they've lived in these different worlds.
[36:04] Speaker 1: And I listened in prep for this very five minute
[36:07] Speaker 1: segment here to our friend bo Wolf doing a great
[36:11] Speaker 1: job with EJ. Smith on the Phoy podcast, and they said,
[36:14] Speaker 1: in this offseason, they would say it's been about eighty
[36:17] Speaker 1: percent under center snaps for Jalenhers, which is insane. Now,
[36:23] Speaker 1: there's no way they're going to be eighty percent in
[36:24] Speaker 1: the season. No NFL team is doing that, but I
[36:26] Speaker 1: think they're working on something. And they said it's been
[36:29] Speaker 1: uneven as you would expect. They haven't had DeVante Smith
[36:31] Speaker 1: out there for a lot of it. Makay Lemons hurt
[36:34] Speaker 1: and it's a new offense. Like, I'm not really worried
[36:36] Speaker 1: about how it's looking, but just the fact that they're
[36:38] Speaker 1: doing that tells me they're trying to marry the past
[36:41] Speaker 1: and the running And they said, for what it's worth,
[36:43] Speaker 1: which is in a ton in June, that the Running
[36:45] Speaker 1: game has popped a lot more than they believe it
[36:48] Speaker 1: normally would this time of year.
[36:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just I would also say, and obviously
[36:52] Speaker 2: those guys do a great job, but as someone who's
[36:55] Speaker 2: kind of watched the system being built installed from the
[36:57] Speaker 2: ground up before, that's a direct setup for everything else
[37:03] Speaker 2: they're going to install. In training, camp is getting heavy, heavy,
[37:06] Speaker 2: heavy under center installs in OTAs, setting up the play
[37:10] Speaker 2: action out of under center packages, really understanding keywords, cues,
[37:15] Speaker 2: timing of those snaps, and what the play action has
[37:18] Speaker 2: to look like, and then getting more a little bit
[37:22] Speaker 2: more multiple gun runs, pistol things like that shotgun in general.
[37:27] Speaker 2: As camp progresses and installing a more diverse set of
[37:31] Speaker 2: pre snap looks and alignments. But you have to start
[37:34] Speaker 2: when you're building this thing from the ground up, you
[37:36] Speaker 2: do have to start there really get that timing and
[37:39] Speaker 2: a lot of those keywords down in what you're communicating
[37:43] Speaker 2: with the rest of your offense.
[37:44] Speaker 1: So one of the keywords was maybe, and I don't
[37:48] Speaker 1: want to paint with the broadbash. There's a few corporate
[37:51] Speaker 1: quarterbacks out there who have really taken the mantle from
[37:54] Speaker 1: how Peyton Manning used to be used to drive Chris
[37:57] Speaker 1: Westling crazy. He believes Peyton Manning chain quarterback press conferences
[38:01] Speaker 1: forever for how corporate he was. Jalen hurts Is is
[38:05] Speaker 1: kind of the next generation of that. Let's let's listen
[38:08] Speaker 1: to him find the corporate buzzword. In his statement, I thought.
[38:11] Speaker 7: It was a really good spring on being able to
[38:13] Speaker 7: onboard another new system and put everything together later foundation.
[38:19] Speaker 7: So you know, I'm encouraged by that. I'm encouraged by
[38:22] Speaker 7: the work that we were able to put in. Got
[38:24] Speaker 7: a fun summer ahead of us and it'll be a
[38:26] Speaker 7: fun training camp, being able to get back on the grass.
[38:28] Speaker 1: On board, on board, I mean, we got an NFL quarterback,
[38:32] Speaker 1: saying that he onboard it. He also answered some tough
[38:34] Speaker 1: questions on AJ Brown lead, and I thought he handled
[38:37] Speaker 1: that all really well. No major headlines out of that,
[38:40] Speaker 1: but my biggest headline is just that the offense is
[38:42] Speaker 1: going to be different and that he seems in a
[38:44] Speaker 1: very good mood. Was he's been defensive in the past
[38:46] Speaker 1: about a lot of things. Didn't think he's defensive right now.
[38:49] Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni not defensive really about the AJ Brown of
[38:51] Speaker 1: it all either, just saying they had great times together,
[38:53] Speaker 1: it's time to move on. But now they have the
[38:56] Speaker 1: battle that everyone is watching. Yeah, it's Andy Dalton versus
[39:00] Speaker 1: Tanner McKee.
[39:00] Speaker 9: Were obviously are rotating there at the two spot. I'm
[39:05] Speaker 9: not ready to say anybody is anything with as far
[39:09] Speaker 9: as positions, We don't have to make any determinations there.
[39:13] Speaker 9: But what Andy and Tanner been doing every other day
[39:16] Speaker 9: is rotating there with the twos and both getting a
[39:19] Speaker 9: lot of good work.
[39:20] Speaker 1: Supposedly, Andy Dalton's thrown like a million interceptions. I'm not
[39:25] Speaker 1: I'm not going to draw too many conclusions here, but yeah,
[39:28] Speaker 1: Bo has been joking about like every other Yeah, just
[39:31] Speaker 1: a ton of interceptions. So we'll see who wins that battle.
[39:33] Speaker 1: They also made us signing I found interesting Ajpanessa, who
[39:36] Speaker 1: I had in my top seventy free agents overall available.
[39:39] Speaker 1: I didn't I don't think fully understand the injury issues
[39:42] Speaker 1: that he was dealing with, which actually caused the Browns
[39:47] Speaker 1: to back out of an agreement where he failed a physical.
[39:49] Speaker 1: But he's an interesting name who's provided solid rotational snaps.
[39:53] Speaker 1: So they added a little more to their edge depth
[39:57] Speaker 1: and now they are done for the off seasons, so
[40:00] Speaker 1: along to the Eagles until late July. Are we ready
[40:03] Speaker 1: for the Cardinals uh to get corporate? Yes?
[40:07] Speaker 2: First of all, though I'm curious, what is what's one
[40:10] Speaker 2: that like really annoys you? Like, what's a what's a
[40:14] Speaker 2: corporate A corporate word or phrase that actually does kind
[40:20] Speaker 2: of get grind your gears a little.
[40:22] Speaker 1: Like the the from the tree Tops. I feel like that's.
[40:25] Speaker 3: Got from the Treetops.
[40:26] Speaker 1: Yes, it's like I think the problem is in like
[40:29] Speaker 1: the thirty thousand foot view different stuff. I think the
[40:32] Speaker 1: problem is people who use corporate lingo realize which ones
[40:36] Speaker 1: have gotten overused, and then they cycle in new ones.
[40:39] Speaker 1: But they're always just using some just just don't use
[40:41] Speaker 1: them in general.
[40:42] Speaker 2: I came upon a new one about a year ago
[40:46] Speaker 2: that really I don't know what it is about it
[40:49] Speaker 2: that it drives me nuts, and I don't understand why
[40:53] Speaker 2: it's used in meetings or whatever. When somebody makes a
[40:57] Speaker 2: point or brings up a suggestion. It's it's not even
[41:01] Speaker 2: an argument, it's okay, good call out, good call out,
[41:06] Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, who.
[41:08] Speaker 3: Who's being called out? That's a negative thing. This was
[41:11] Speaker 3: just a suggestion.
[41:12] Speaker 2: That one drives me nuts because I just think we
[41:14] Speaker 2: should say what we mean about things, right, like.
[41:18] Speaker 3: Good call out.
[41:19] Speaker 2: Well, that makes it sound like there's conflict when there's not.
[41:22] Speaker 2: There's there's you know, no functional suggestion, making.
[41:27] Speaker 1: Jordan famously avoiding conflict. I've been trying to coach her
[41:31] Speaker 1: up to call people out a little more.
[41:33] Speaker 2: No, you need to start saying good call out when
[41:35] Speaker 2: I when I actually do enter into conflict.
[41:40] Speaker 1: Offline Maybe actually is the one that makes my skin
[41:42] Speaker 1: crawl the most because it's just you. So it's so
[41:45] Speaker 1: that's let's just call it life.
[41:48] Speaker 3: Really upload you want to upload offline?
[41:50] Speaker 1: On that offline presumer presumes that the rest of life
[41:53] Speaker 1: is online. All right, we're going to wrap up here
[41:55] Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. We've got a lot to talk about
[41:57] Speaker 1: the Cardinals team of twenty twenty five NFL Daily That
[42:02] Speaker 1: let us all down. I think the expectation is going
[42:05] Speaker 1: to be a little lower this year.
[42:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, and similar to you.
[42:08] Speaker 2: I mean, we've done some really good sleuth thing here Greg,
[42:10] Speaker 2: because I've also procured an email. This is to owner
[42:15] Speaker 2: Michael Bidwell CC, head coach Mike Lafleur CC Management from
[42:21] Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett, subject line per my last email. Hi, y'all
[42:28] Speaker 2: just wanted to put a final note on your desk
[42:30] Speaker 2: before the break. As per my last email and the
[42:33] Speaker 2: one before that, I will not be throwing live reps
[42:36] Speaker 2: until my contract is adjusted. If you'd like your brand
[42:39] Speaker 2: new head coach, already an underdog in the division to
[42:41] Speaker 2: roll out his new offense and training camp with a
[42:43] Speaker 2: rookie middle round draft pick at quarterback and not at
[42:46] Speaker 2: least pay me more money than Anthony Richardson is making
[42:48] Speaker 2: this year.
[42:49] Speaker 3: That's on you.
[42:50] Speaker 2: I mean, my cap number is in Gardner Minshew Jared's
[42:53] Speaker 2: Didham territory. Your all pro tight end will get more frustrated.
[42:56] Speaker 2: You'll waste more years of your young receivers rookie contract
[43:00] Speaker 2: and what happens to your new star Jeremiah Love and
[43:02] Speaker 2: your precious run game. If nobody fears the pass you
[43:05] Speaker 2: need me Jimmy g decided to contemplate retirement as a
[43:09] Speaker 2: backup rather than join this franchise as a starter, And
[43:12] Speaker 2: that's saying something because can you even imagine the kind
[43:14] Speaker 2: of damage that guy would do in Scottsdale? And are
[43:16] Speaker 2: you guys, by the way, are you guys watching Widow's Bay?
[43:18] Speaker 2: If I don't get paid, I'm gonna just keep showing
[43:21] Speaker 2: up on your sidelines looming in the distance as you
[43:23] Speaker 2: try to run from this conversation. Joining all the off
[43:26] Speaker 2: season memes about you all is another reminder of your
[43:28] Speaker 2: particularly circular organizational curse. And unlike Widow's Bay Episode eight,
[43:33] Speaker 2: the Boogeyman wins this one, bitch, And I say that
[43:36] Speaker 2: as a member of Team Patricia, my best all your
[43:39] Speaker 2: families and have a great summer.
[43:40] Speaker 1: Jacoby, WHOA that that wasn't passive aggressive? That was just aggressive.
[43:46] Speaker 1: I could imagine if you know, Bidwell was more you know,
[43:50] Speaker 1: conversant with the lingo like it just would reply like
[43:53] Speaker 1: t LDR, you know. But I to get to the
[43:57] Speaker 1: end of that because he's taken he's taken major shots there.
[44:01] Speaker 1: To Kobe Pressett, I don't know if that's the way
[44:03] Speaker 1: to approach it. If you're Dacoby Brissett. Let's let's actually
[44:06] Speaker 1: listen to Mike Lafleur talk about this quarterback battle right now?
[44:10] Speaker 9: Can you guys view as QB one hit in any
[44:12] Speaker 9: training camp?
[44:13] Speaker 8: Not really concerned about QB one right now. I'm concerned
[44:16] Speaker 8: about these guys all reporting one July twenty second. Really
[44:19] Speaker 8: more concerned about the next forty days and what these
[44:21] Speaker 8: guys are doing to, you know, continue, like you can't
[44:25] Speaker 8: take steps backwards.
[44:26] Speaker 1: That's not the quarterback, that's all these guys.
[44:28] Speaker 8: So literally, my only focus right now is that we
[44:30] Speaker 8: don't play again until September. It is June, whatever it
[44:34] Speaker 8: is right now, tenth or whatnot. So not worried about
[44:36] Speaker 8: that right now.
[44:37] Speaker 1: Your thoughts no longer the presumptive starter. Jacobey Brissett.
[44:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Like okay, I'm just gonna like upparse the
[44:46] Speaker 2: subtext there or download it, right like, yeah, I mean
[44:50] Speaker 2: that's that's and you know, Mike's got to do the
[44:54] Speaker 2: best he can in this situation, right It's not really
[44:57] Speaker 2: his call. He's not the one signing the contract, and
[45:01] Speaker 2: he wants to get his offense off the ground.
[45:03] Speaker 3: I would imagine that. So he's got to say that.
[45:06] Speaker 2: He has to say that, and he also has to
[45:09] Speaker 2: deflect immediately from questions about the quarterback to broadening it
[45:12] Speaker 2: out to the rest of the roster, like, good job
[45:14] Speaker 2: on the corporate on the corporate coach being there, Mike
[45:18] Speaker 2: learning fast.
[45:20] Speaker 1: I you know, had my ears perk up just a
[45:23] Speaker 1: little bit when he said July twenty second, they are
[45:27] Speaker 1: playing in the Hall of Fame game. This is the
[45:30] Speaker 1: latest possible that teams are showing up for training game
[45:34] Speaker 1: like we are in the latest cycle, the season starting
[45:36] Speaker 1: the latest except for that Wednesday game, But that is
[45:40] Speaker 1: a late first team to be showing up to training Gamp.
[45:42] Speaker 1: It's I don't know if that's good or bad for
[45:44] Speaker 1: us Jordan. We have a little more time to fill
[45:47] Speaker 1: in July, but yeah, maybe maybe look at the calendar,
[45:49] Speaker 1: take a few extra days off. Well, we're gonna be
[45:52] Speaker 1: taping through the dead period, but we aren't going to
[45:55] Speaker 1: be living up to our name. We're not going to
[45:56] Speaker 1: be exactly daily during the quiet time. They're the first
[46:00] Speaker 1: team to show up. That's when we really crank up,
[46:03] Speaker 1: and most of the teams are showing up at the
[46:05] Speaker 1: very end of camp. One of the things we'll be
[46:07] Speaker 1: tracking with this Cardinals team is just how they use
[46:10] Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love and he he being Mike Lafleur in the
[46:14] Speaker 1: middle of June where there's not a lot of news
[46:16] Speaker 1: to latch onto, concern the fantasy football community with his
[46:20] Speaker 1: quotes about his running back situation this week.
[46:23] Speaker 8: Just like if Steph Curry's on fire and he's supposed
[46:27] Speaker 8: to get his sub he's not taking the hot hand out,
[46:29] Speaker 8: And that's kind of the same approach he ended up taking.
[46:31] Speaker 1: With a back.
[46:32] Speaker 8: Like a back, just like a basketball player, any football
[46:35] Speaker 8: player can get into a rhythm. It's like, just keep
[46:37] Speaker 8: giving him the football like he's just feeling it right now.
[46:39] Speaker 1: So it's a totally nothing burger of a quote. Calm down, fantasy.
[46:44] Speaker 1: If Tyler Algier is really rolling, like yeah, there's plenty
[46:49] Speaker 1: to go around for both of them, don't worry.
[46:51] Speaker 2: I mean, if there's one thing that every NFL head
[46:54] Speaker 2: coach and offensive coordinator is specifically thinking about when putting
[46:57] Speaker 2: together their game plan, it is your fantasy football roster.
[47:01] Speaker 1: And Steph Curry apparently. I don't know if Algier or
[47:04] Speaker 1: James Connor at this point of his career is going
[47:07] Speaker 1: to get hot like Steph Curry. I'd view that as
[47:08] Speaker 1: a positive that Jeremiah Love could be that guy getting
[47:11] Speaker 1: hot and they're going to leave him out there. I'm
[47:13] Speaker 1: not worried about him at all. I am worried about
[47:16] Speaker 1: the other Proctor in the draft. By the way, kind
[47:18] Speaker 1: of an under the radar gem that a lot of
[47:20] Speaker 1: people like Caleb Proctor, who the Cards drafted, is going
[47:23] Speaker 1: to be out for the season. It was revealed unfortunately.
[47:26] Speaker 1: So those are the worst items of news. I think
[47:29] Speaker 1: it was an achilles injury and and so that's a
[47:32] Speaker 1: fourth round pick that they won't be able to get
[47:34] Speaker 1: any production out of. We got production out of our
[47:39] Speaker 1: We don't like weight bearing walls. But you do, you do?
[47:44] Speaker 1: You said you didn't say it sounded great, But well,
[47:46] Speaker 1: I think it's funny.
[47:47] Speaker 3: I think it sounds trying to be the.
[47:48] Speaker 1: Foundation upon which you know, NFL Daily, NFL Media podcast
[47:54] Speaker 1: group is built. Jordan, I think we're doing a hell
[47:57] Speaker 1: of a job. We got a big show on Monday.
[48:00] Speaker 1: We have our Flag Football Extravaganza, you and Eric and
[48:06] Speaker 1: Chris and all the people at Flag and NFL. You've
[48:09] Speaker 1: been working on this one behind the scenes. It's been percolating.
[48:13] Speaker 1: And Yeah, while the rest of the world talks football,
[48:17] Speaker 1: we're going to talk about our new Olympic sport a
[48:19] Speaker 1: little bit on Monday. So that's going to be a
[48:21] Speaker 1: deep dive. I'm looking forward to that with you.
[48:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you get to talk to future Olympians, sign
[48:26] Speaker 2: me up.
[48:27] Speaker 1: Yes, it is exciting. Next week we will also be
[48:31] Speaker 1: wrapping up all the mini camps for all the teams
[48:34] Speaker 1: around the league, so that we'll have covered on that.
[48:35] Speaker 1: We'll have some rankings, but this is it for this
[48:38] Speaker 1: week on NFL Daily. Now, if we're leaving for forty days,
[48:42] Speaker 1: football is not really quite back

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