# 4 Fantasy Football Trends That Are Completely Wrong with Josh Norris

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 21 Aug 2026, 55 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Josh Norris are her to get you ready for your fantasy football drafts! Would you take Christian McCaffrey over Saquon Barkley? Is there more value in the wide receiver position than the running back position? Should you avoid Ashton Jeanty? Are Zay Flowers and Jaylen Waddle primed for big seasons? All those answers and more! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where running backs matter, but maybe
[0:08] Speaker 1: not at every price. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in
[0:11] Speaker 1: the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. What a week of guess
[0:14] Speaker 1: we've had mina chimes, followed up by Josh Norris, my
[0:18] Speaker 1: old friend way back in the day from rohde Wa
[0:22] Speaker 1: but now he's with Yahoo Sports. You know him, you
[0:27] Speaker 1: love him from the YouTube feed. Hayden and Josh. I
[0:31] Speaker 1: think your name goes first, doesn't it, Josh.
[0:34] Speaker 2: We're keeping it that way for now.
[0:36] Speaker 1: Hidden Wings is great and you guys make a great
[0:39] Speaker 1: combo and they're not just a YouTube channel, although I
[0:42] Speaker 1: love the content and how you present everything there.
[0:44] Speaker 3: It's a podcast.
[0:45] Speaker 1: You've got a new home and that means today, Josh,
[0:48] Speaker 1: we're exclusively talking fantasy football on the show for the
[0:53] Speaker 1: first time this month.
[0:54] Speaker 3: That's how I started in the business.
[0:57] Speaker 1: We knew each other back then, and I think even
[1:00] Speaker 1: if you're not a huge fantasy head, there are gonna
[1:02] Speaker 1: be takeaways just in terms of real football, because we're
[1:06] Speaker 1: going to get into some specific individual projections what we
[1:09] Speaker 1: think are gonna happen this season in a way that
[1:10] Speaker 1: we don't tend to do when we do the big
[1:13] Speaker 1: team previous. I think there's gonna be something for everyone.
[1:16] Speaker 1: And I'm doing this show as an homage to you, Josh,
[1:18] Speaker 1: because I like your content so much.
[1:19] Speaker 4: I really appreciate this look. A lot of the shows
[1:22] Speaker 4: that I guessed on, I get like a rundown exactly
[1:25] Speaker 4: what we're talking about, Greg, I have no idea what
[1:28] Speaker 4: I signed up for today, and that makes me excited.
[1:31] Speaker 4: I am unprepared, yet hopefully fully.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Prepared for this.
[1:35] Speaker 1: As a frequent guest on other podcasts, my favorite ones
[1:39] Speaker 1: are the ones where the host says, I've got something
[1:43] Speaker 1: for you.
[1:44] Speaker 3: You just respond to me.
[1:46] Speaker 1: So what I have for you, Jess, Because your whole
[1:49] Speaker 1: life is prep There's no need.
[1:50] Speaker 3: I think.
[1:52] Speaker 1: I really do think we prep too much as podcasters,
[1:55] Speaker 1: and I'm a victim to that because everything we do
[1:59] Speaker 1: is prep. So you're living in the fantasy world. Drafts
[2:02] Speaker 1: are happening, all sorts of different drafts. A lot of
[2:04] Speaker 1: times you guys have advice for redrafts. That's what I'm
[2:07] Speaker 1: going to be doing soon. I run a kids league
[2:11] Speaker 1: that my son is. I'm the commissioner. I'm not in
[2:13] Speaker 1: that one too, that's coming up soon. And so Today's
[2:16] Speaker 1: show is going to be four things that fantasy football
[2:20] Speaker 1: is getting completely wrong in twenty twenty six drafts. And
[2:24] Speaker 1: this is a takeoff of the type of snappy titles
[2:28] Speaker 1: that you guys have on your YouTube account, some of
[2:31] Speaker 1: which are almost I almost ripped it exactly like this.
[2:33] Speaker 1: It's a lot of completely wrong. Why are so many
[2:36] Speaker 1: people getting so many things completely wrong?
[2:38] Speaker 3: Josh?
[2:39] Speaker 4: Well, because by the end of the season, you know,
[2:42] Speaker 4: you draft your rosters in August and September, and then Greg,
[2:45] Speaker 4: you know, it's by week fifteen you have what two
[2:48] Speaker 4: or three players left that you actually drafted. So I
[2:51] Speaker 4: actually hint wait for this episode because, as you know,
[2:55] Speaker 4: once best ball leagues open in you know, March or
[2:58] Speaker 4: May or you know, when we really start this fantasy
[3:01] Speaker 4: prep in June or July, it's group think, right, Yeah,
[3:05] Speaker 4: you can't move someone too far away from adp or
[3:08] Speaker 4: what the consensus feels about them. And so as an
[3:11] Speaker 4: outsider as you are now from our fantasy football bubble,
[3:14] Speaker 4: you can look at us and tell us how wrong
[3:17] Speaker 4: we are.
[3:17] Speaker 1: And there aren't that many things, and I don't want to,
[3:19] Speaker 1: you know, we're going to do another fantasy there's only
[3:21] Speaker 1: four show. There's only four four things that are completely wrong.
[3:23] Speaker 1: But the fourth one is so expansive, mind bending that
[3:30] Speaker 1: it could be the whole show. And we're going to
[3:32] Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on that because it involves
[3:33] Speaker 1: a lot. That's what you call it teas business. The
[3:36] Speaker 1: first thing people are getting wrong, Josh, is they're drafting
[3:40] Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey at all, much less fifth overall or sixth overall.
[3:45] Speaker 1: What are we doing what you didn't? You didn't like
[3:50] Speaker 1: you missed two seasons ago. Oh yeah, it might be
[3:53] Speaker 1: a contract thing. Oh it's like, oh, it might be
[3:56] Speaker 1: a contract thing. Or he might have completely devastated injuries
[4:00] Speaker 1: and terrible seasons literally every time that he led the
[4:03] Speaker 1: league in touches. And I've watched the football last year,
[4:06] Speaker 1: Josh Norris was was he that good at football?
[4:09] Speaker 3: Like running the ball?
[4:10] Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was an effective football players,
[4:12] Speaker 1: but they were not effective. It was the worst running
[4:14] Speaker 1: game I've ever seen. That one two punch would make
[4:17] Speaker 1: me stay away from him for the first three rounds,
[4:20] Speaker 1: much less in the top five or six picks.
[4:23] Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, there's a lot to hit on here.
[4:25] Speaker 4: This time last summer, Christian McCaffrey was like my flag
[4:28] Speaker 4: plant player, because as you know, us in the fancy
[4:31] Speaker 4: bubble are very reactive to what happened the previous year
[4:35] Speaker 4: when everyone drafted him first overall and he barely played right.
[4:39] Speaker 4: And then we get to last summer, and despite him
[4:42] Speaker 4: finally being healthy for an entire offseason and ready to go,
[4:46] Speaker 4: no one wanted to draft him. So, Greg, this one
[4:48] Speaker 4: hurts me because I was sitting here last year saying, yeah,
[4:52] Speaker 4: let's draft him and guess what. He finishes the running
[4:54] Speaker 4: back one with twenty two points per game, and as
[4:56] Speaker 4: you know, anything above that twenty point mark per contest
[5:00] Speaker 4: is like glory Land. Right, That's exactly what we search for.
[5:03] Speaker 4: But I hear what you're saying. That was one the
[5:06] Speaker 4: easiest schedule in the league other than the Patriots.
[5:08] Speaker 2: Right two.
[5:10] Speaker 4: They truly missed every single skill position player outside of CMC.
[5:15] Speaker 4: So they were willing to feed him the rock in
[5:18] Speaker 4: situations where he wasn't really an efficient runner or an
[5:21] Speaker 4: explosive runner anymore. And so while they have gone through
[5:25] Speaker 4: this massive sweeping change at the wide receiver spot, which
[5:28] Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll talk about at some point, you would
[5:31] Speaker 4: hope that maybe some of that juice comes back but
[5:34] Speaker 4: as you're saying with his age, I mean he's thirty
[5:37] Speaker 4: seventh in the rate of runs a gain tenmore yards
[5:39] Speaker 4: thirty second and runs that failed to gain yardage thirty
[5:41] Speaker 4: six and yards after contact and rush. Those are horrible
[5:45] Speaker 4: underlying metrics for anyone that we're drafting, like sixth overall
[5:47] Speaker 4: or seventh overall right now.
[5:48] Speaker 1: But it shouldn't hurt you, Josh, because you're a visionary,
[5:53] Speaker 1: you're a seer, and last year was the year to
[5:56] Speaker 1: get him. Yeah, sometimes it's not that much more complicated
[6:00] Speaker 1: and buy low, sell high, and then plus the tape
[6:03] Speaker 1: and all the other context that you give to it,
[6:06] Speaker 1: like you have to watch the games, you have to
[6:08] Speaker 1: know all the information. The fact that he's out of
[6:10] Speaker 1: training camp is extremely concerning to me. Maybe it is
[6:14] Speaker 1: contract related, but very possibly it is not, or it's
[6:19] Speaker 1: a combination of things where he doesn't want to play
[6:21] Speaker 1: through some tightness and the fact that his team specifically
[6:26] Speaker 1: lies about injuries and covers injuries up more than any
[6:30] Speaker 1: team in the NFL. If I'm power ranking lying about injuries,
[6:34] Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is my number one overall pick at head coach.
[6:38] Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you this question.
[6:39] Speaker 4: Greg, I always have a difficult time answering this from myself. Yeah,
[6:45] Speaker 4: are we in the business as fantasy you know, prognosticators
[6:49] Speaker 4: to predict injuries, you know, or are we in the
[6:53] Speaker 4: business of, Hey, if this works out, if he plays
[6:56] Speaker 4: all seventeen games, we are predicting the best outcome here.
[7:00] Speaker 4: Because win CMC has played, you know, at least ten
[7:04] Speaker 4: games in the season. He has finished top three in
[7:06] Speaker 4: points per game as a running back score and so
[7:10] Speaker 4: I am hoping in my head that he plays at
[7:12] Speaker 4: least ten games this year, and if he does, he's gonna,
[7:15] Speaker 4: I still think be a tremendous asset, albeit again in
[7:17] Speaker 4: the middle of the first round.
[7:18] Speaker 3: Here, the answer is I is everything.
[7:21] Speaker 1: Yes, I think you're predicting injuries in certain situations when
[7:25] Speaker 1: a player is getting drafted this high and he's at
[7:29] Speaker 1: a position where he's not been healthy four out of
[7:33] Speaker 1: the last eight years. Yeah, and very directly, when he's
[7:38] Speaker 1: led the league in touches, he's been hurt the following seasons,
[7:42] Speaker 1: and he's coming off a great season. That's the thing
[7:44] Speaker 1: is last season was the year to get him because
[7:47] Speaker 1: he was coming in fresh and he was a little
[7:50] Speaker 1: cheaper and you're getting no discount. It seems like a
[7:53] Speaker 1: total disaster. I just think the ceiling is actually a
[7:57] Speaker 1: little lower.
[7:58] Speaker 3: Maybe even then people would realize speak and that. Yeah.
[8:03] Speaker 1: I just there's so many other players that are so good.
[8:06] Speaker 1: We're going to get to it comparing kind of running
[8:08] Speaker 1: backs and wide receivers later. We're starting with some just
[8:11] Speaker 1: like quick hit running back takes before we get to
[8:14] Speaker 1: the meat of the show. My producer suggests that this
[8:18] Speaker 1: has not been quick so far. But like McCaffrey to me,
[8:25] Speaker 1: is you're just making the same mistake people made before.
[8:28] Speaker 3: Give up the ghosts you were right last year.
[8:30] Speaker 1: Make your flag point, my flag point, and then show
[8:34] Speaker 1: that you can play both sides. That you're just like
[8:37] Speaker 1: a motionless don't hold on to last year's win.
[8:40] Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you this question. Then.
[8:42] Speaker 4: The last two top scoring running backs in each season
[8:46] Speaker 4: have been Saquon Barkley and Christian McCaffrey. Which one are
[8:49] Speaker 4: you drafting earlier this year?
[8:51] Speaker 3: That's my number two point.
[8:52] Speaker 1: It's as if we coordinated this number two. I hate
[8:58] Speaker 1: when people say don't do something without providing another answer.
[9:02] Speaker 1: I would take Saquon like top five or six. If
[9:04] Speaker 1: you want if you have five picks. Yeah, there we go.
[9:07] Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. This is the year to
[9:09] Speaker 1: take him. He's going to have his Christian McCaffrey twenty
[9:13] Speaker 1: twenty five season right now. And I'm loving the reports
[9:17] Speaker 1: and I do believe in the camp reports from the
[9:20] Speaker 1: Eagles beat writers that are there and just like, oh, yeah,
[9:24] Speaker 1: you see it this year, Like he looks back to
[9:26] Speaker 1: the Saquon that we love to see.
[9:30] Speaker 4: So much of this offseason has been about what is
[9:32] Speaker 4: Sean Mannion going to pluck out of Jalen Hurts, right,
[9:35] Speaker 4: Like these new passing concepts under center, What is DeVante
[9:39] Speaker 4: Smith going to do when he steps into aj Brown's
[9:42] Speaker 4: wide receiver run role, you know, Makaile Lemon as a
[9:45] Speaker 4: rookie wide receiver Greg None of that matters, none of it, Matt,
[9:50] Speaker 4: unless they get the running game back right, because one
[9:53] Speaker 4: that is the baseline for this offense, and two that
[9:57] Speaker 4: changes the math to make the passing game hea ye Right.
[10:00] Speaker 4: If you get Saquon back to not only being an
[10:02] Speaker 4: efficient runner but also an explosive runner, then that forces
[10:06] Speaker 4: single high coverage that makes it easier for Jayden Hursts
[10:09] Speaker 4: to hit more of these downfield passes and all of
[10:10] Speaker 4: that stuff. And I agree again, we are so reactive
[10:14] Speaker 4: to just what happened last year. So if Saquon in
[10:16] Speaker 4: your league was the running back one, two or three,
[10:18] Speaker 4: we know he finished much much much later. But it's
[10:22] Speaker 4: quite easy to say why that happened. Right It was
[10:25] Speaker 4: an injured offensive line that right now is healthy. I
[10:28] Speaker 4: know we don't have Jeff Stoutlin. That's a big deal,
[10:31] Speaker 4: but just if we get some cohesiveness back into it, Greg,
[10:34] Speaker 4: the underlying metrics for Saquon as an individual were not
[10:36] Speaker 4: bad last year. It was just the entire environment and
[10:40] Speaker 4: package that we got from the Eagles was bad. So
[10:42] Speaker 4: if that elevates back up to where it was even
[10:45] Speaker 4: close to a couple of years ago, I mean, I've
[10:47] Speaker 4: Saquon ranked top nine and he's going at like the
[10:51] Speaker 4: third or fourth pick in the second round on way
[10:53] Speaker 4: too many platforms.
[10:54] Speaker 3: Out outrageous, that's outrageous.
[10:57] Speaker 1: Two years ago, I drafted him about eleventh or twelfth,
[11:01] Speaker 1: I think, and everyone that did that he was a
[11:04] Speaker 1: league winner, and I wasn't that confident in it when
[11:06] Speaker 1: I took him there, And that is outrageous to me
[11:10] Speaker 1: when you look at the lack of surefire picks at
[11:14] Speaker 1: running back. Something I want to get to like in
[11:17] Speaker 1: terms of the depth just isn't there near the top.
[11:20] Speaker 1: But I know you like actionable info and you like
[11:22] Speaker 1: to have your ears on the ground.
[11:23] Speaker 3: Here's something maybe you could even go.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Listen to this on the phl Y podcast on Wednesday,
[11:30] Speaker 1: guys Bo wolf E, J.
[11:33] Speaker 3: Smith. Yes, they were talking.
[11:35] Speaker 1: They were standing next to I think it was like
[11:37] Speaker 1: someone with the Patriots that when Takuon is ripping them
[11:42] Speaker 1: for a handful of thirty yard plus games in that
[11:46] Speaker 1: joint practice, which reportedly was the best looking thing about
[11:50] Speaker 1: that entire Eagles team in the joint practice was the
[11:52] Speaker 1: running game and it's going to be a totally new
[11:53] Speaker 1: running game and they've got really talented, some future Hall
[11:57] Speaker 1: of Fame players to execute.
[11:58] Speaker 3: It was like, oh my god, we're.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Glad that Saquon was here because Saquon just exposed us
[12:04] Speaker 1: and a couple of them we're just like, my god,
[12:07] Speaker 1: that guy, like we don't get we don't get a
[12:09] Speaker 1: look like that normally. And everyone was just like, that's
[12:11] Speaker 1: the best player out the field.
[12:13] Speaker 2: So can I ask you this?
[12:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, again, we like to focus in on young players,
[12:18] Speaker 4: not me, but just we as a stacy football community
[12:21] Speaker 4: versus guys. You know that I have already scored as
[12:24] Speaker 4: the running back one overall, very very recently ashen Genty
[12:29] Speaker 4: in consensus rankings out there. My Gyz is running back
[12:33] Speaker 4: six and Saquon Barkley is running back eight. Aren't you
[12:37] Speaker 4: drafting ashen Genty with the hopes that he is Saquon
[12:40] Speaker 4: Barkley on a team that has projected for nineteen points
[12:43] Speaker 4: per game compared to the Eagles that are projected for
[12:45] Speaker 4: twenty four points per game, versus a guy that already
[12:47] Speaker 4: did and scored as a running back one overall two
[12:49] Speaker 4: years ago. Like, why not just draft Saquon Barkley here?
[12:52] Speaker 3: I totally agree.
[12:53] Speaker 1: I would take Saquon Barkley as my running back three
[12:56] Speaker 1: after Gibbs and Bajan love it, and so if I
[12:59] Speaker 1: have the six or seven pick and I am in
[13:01] Speaker 1: a league like I will draft Saquon there.
[13:03] Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not gonna be afraid.
[13:04] Speaker 1: And the only consideration I would have would be receivers
[13:07] Speaker 1: there after that Jonathan Taylor, I'm fine with that. James
[13:10] Speaker 1: Cook love him and would be would be happy with him.
[13:13] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like, get in the way, it's insane
[13:16] Speaker 1: to me that Ashton Genty is going that high.
[13:19] Speaker 3: What are we doing here? We have no.
[13:21] Speaker 2: Exactly where he finished last year. By the way, I
[13:24] Speaker 2: don't care.
[13:25] Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's crazy to me that he
[13:28] Speaker 4: finishes running back sevent years.
[13:30] Speaker 1: That's because he's, oh seventeen, he finished healthy yet, Yes.
[13:33] Speaker 4: But he's being drafted as the thirteenth overall player. I
[13:36] Speaker 4: him as the eighteenth overall player, and I think like
[13:39] Speaker 4: that's doing a service to him of considering so many
[13:42] Speaker 4: awful pieces around are getting to average in terms of coach,
[13:46] Speaker 4: offensive line, all this type of stuff. But going from
[13:49] Speaker 4: you know, running back seventeen last year to the thirteenth
[13:51] Speaker 4: overall player this year, that has been my biggest pushback
[13:53] Speaker 4: is why the heck are people taking gent over Saquon?
[13:57] Speaker 4: Just take saque over Genty. It's that simple.
[13:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to incorporate are we sure this guy
[14:04] Speaker 1: is good? It's a really important part of fantasy football
[14:07] Speaker 1: that I feel gets lost is just who's good at
[14:11] Speaker 1: football and who's not really makes a big difference. Ashton
[14:14] Speaker 1: Genty might have a solid fantasy football career. He might
[14:17] Speaker 1: have a great NFL career, But I don't know about it.
[14:21] Speaker 1: I don't think he showed us that yet. I don't
[14:22] Speaker 1: think it was all about the situation. And I like
[14:26] Speaker 1: the looks of Mike.
[14:27] Speaker 3: Washington too, like I just me too. I just don't
[14:30] Speaker 3: see it.
[14:30] Speaker 1: To me, I've changed how I think about fantasy in
[14:35] Speaker 1: terms of, you know, everyone's got a price, and sure
[14:37] Speaker 1: Ashton Genty would have a price for me, but I
[14:40] Speaker 1: think i'd be closer to like how Bill Belichick and
[14:42] Speaker 1: Scott Piola used to do drafts now and just have
[14:44] Speaker 1: a much smaller draft boards, like there's only a handful
[14:47] Speaker 1: of running backs in the first and second round I
[14:48] Speaker 1: would consider, like I would not consider Ashton Genty in
[14:51] Speaker 1: the first thirty five picks or so because I just
[14:54] Speaker 1: think there are there are gonna be receivers and some
[14:57] Speaker 1: running backs. But basically there's no point where I feel
[14:59] Speaker 1: better about Ashton Genty then like DeVante Smith or something
[15:04] Speaker 1: just like no, I'll just take I'll just take like
[15:06] Speaker 1: a wide receiver that I don't want Ashon Genty at
[15:08] Speaker 1: all period.
[15:09] Speaker 4: One of our slogans that we use in the channel
[15:11] Speaker 4: all the time on YouTube is just take good players
[15:14] Speaker 4: and good teams. Yeah time there, Greg, Like you know,
[15:18] Speaker 4: the good team score the most points and then the
[15:20] Speaker 4: points turn out to be fantasy points for you and
[15:22] Speaker 4: all that type of stuff. I don't follow it all
[15:24] Speaker 4: the time, but uh I do most of the time.
[15:26] Speaker 4: I'm going to push back at one thing you said, though, Okay,
[15:29] Speaker 4: you said you don't love like this glood of running backs.
[15:31] Speaker 4: I absolutely love this glood of running backs. At the
[15:34] Speaker 4: end of round one to like halfway through of round two,
[15:38] Speaker 4: so we talked about sequon, we talked about gent After that,
[15:40] Speaker 4: you have Devanta a Chan, Chase Brown, Hin walk to
[15:43] Speaker 4: the third Derek Henry Amarin Hampton. I mean Greg lining
[15:46] Speaker 4: up at the one ten, one, eleven, one twelve so
[15:49] Speaker 4: often I just want to start running back, running back
[15:51] Speaker 4: and then hammer wide receiver for the next few rounds
[15:53] Speaker 4: after that.
[15:54] Speaker 1: You are you are hinting and previewing at our big
[15:57] Speaker 1: topic there. I don't disagree with the larger point that
[16:02] Speaker 1: you are making eight Han specifically high ceiling high like
[16:09] Speaker 1: low floor. He's a little risky, but I don't think
[16:11] Speaker 1: it's crazy to take him there. He could be incredible.
[16:14] Speaker 1: That could go pretty sideways. I'm with you at Chase Brown.
[16:18] Speaker 1: I'm with you on Kyrien Williams Kenneth Walker for the
[16:20] Speaker 1: price Hampton, You're right, I think I think the quality
[16:23] Speaker 1: of those players sets up a cliff at running back
[16:27] Speaker 1: that worries me. My final small, very small point is
[16:30] Speaker 1: just stop taking Trevon Henderson over Romandre you know, two
[16:34] Speaker 1: rounds apart. Yes, it's just like, yeah, I just think
[16:37] Speaker 1: this gets back to the good football player. Travon Henderson
[16:40] Speaker 1: is a very good football player at what he does,
[16:42] Speaker 1: but there's no indication to believe that. The Patriots believe
[16:46] Speaker 1: he's a better football player than Ramandre. So it's just
[16:49] Speaker 1: he's just going to be more. I just probably don't
[16:51] Speaker 1: want either of them until late. But Ramondre is a
[16:53] Speaker 1: fine mid round, mid round pick. But like, as a
[16:56] Speaker 1: Patriots fan, I bet Ramondre's gonna have a better season.
[16:59] Speaker 4: I think it's a pretty useful exercise to sometimes go
[17:02] Speaker 4: through teammates that have somewhat similar ADPs and being like, hey,
[17:06] Speaker 4: do we just have this wrong? Like is this backwards?
[17:09] Speaker 4: You know a few years ago that was the case
[17:10] Speaker 4: with Cooper Cup and Pucunakoa. I'll be those ADPs were
[17:13] Speaker 4: very far apart. I think another one this year is
[17:16] Speaker 4: actually Matthew Golden versus jayde Reid. Like Matthew Golden is
[17:19] Speaker 4: being drafted after Jaden Reid all the time, and I
[17:23] Speaker 4: have Matthew Golden straight up rinked ahead.
[17:25] Speaker 3: Where are they getting drafted?
[17:26] Speaker 1: This is where my lack of intelligence and Yahoo, by
[17:30] Speaker 1: the way, great great ADP using that ADP, hell, I
[17:34] Speaker 1: love it.
[17:34] Speaker 4: It's a great ADP because you know, us experts get
[17:37] Speaker 4: funneled into that. Jayden Reid is like wide receiver forty five,
[17:41] Speaker 4: one seventeen overall, and then around later Matthew Golden is
[17:45] Speaker 4: won twenty seven overall as wide receiver forty eight. I mean,
[17:48] Speaker 4: I actually love Christian Watson. I'm sure we won't get
[17:50] Speaker 4: to him. He's one of my favorite picks on the board.
[17:51] Speaker 2: Okay this year.
[17:52] Speaker 4: But there are those associated you know, teammates, and I
[17:57] Speaker 4: agree with you with Ramandre whereas maybe sometimes we get
[18:01] Speaker 4: a bit weak one brained with this. And we know,
[18:03] Speaker 4: like in the first series and the first carrying, the
[18:05] Speaker 4: first snap, Wheremondre Stevens is going to be out there.
[18:07] Speaker 4: And while I am a Trevin Henderson optimist, I think
[18:11] Speaker 4: it's very obvious that Ramondre Stevenson for as long as
[18:14] Speaker 4: he can is going to be the quote unquote lead
[18:16] Speaker 4: back for the Patriots.
[18:17] Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine, both of them, fantasy and reality,
[18:20] Speaker 1: like Middle Ceilian Middle.
[18:22] Speaker 4: Didn't you have a show with Ali Connley halfway through
[18:24] Speaker 4: the summer where you drafted like Trevian Henderson extremely high.
[18:28] Speaker 3: That's dollar, it's a fair it's a fair point for fantasy.
[18:31] Speaker 2: Listener.
[18:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, that for fantasy. I just think they kind of
[18:34] Speaker 1: cancel each other out. They're both fine. I'm glad you
[18:37] Speaker 1: brought up Matthew going. I have so many takes, Josh.
[18:40] Speaker 1: I think it's actually an amazing thing to just jump
[18:43] Speaker 1: into fantasy. Almost sight unseen in mid August. It's it's
[18:48] Speaker 1: like the cold the cold dub, the cold bat. You
[18:50] Speaker 1: ever take a cold bath, I'm telling you, Oh, it's good.
[18:54] Speaker 1: I'm into it, you know plunge. Well, when I go
[18:58] Speaker 1: to Japan, this is gonna make me sound on privilege,
[19:01] Speaker 1: but it's like brow.
[19:03] Speaker 3: My in laws live.
[19:03] Speaker 1: There, and one of the most popular cultural things that
[19:06] Speaker 1: you do there is you go to the baths the
[19:08] Speaker 1: own spots. Yes, yeah, they're not really spot. It's just
[19:11] Speaker 1: like you know, it's the nice waters. Of their hot tubs,
[19:13] Speaker 1: but with you know, but with the great local water.
[19:17] Speaker 1: But they also there often have you know, the cold
[19:19] Speaker 1: tub there and you go from one one to the other.
[19:22] Speaker 1: I'm all about the cold tub makes you makes you
[19:23] Speaker 1: feel alive.
[19:24] Speaker 3: So that's how I find.
[19:25] Speaker 2: What does that to do with Matthew Golden.
[19:27] Speaker 1: Uh, it's more about and I'm glad he brought up
[19:29] Speaker 1: Golden because I would have forgot it. It's more about
[19:31] Speaker 1: how I'm jumping into the fantasy season and how refreshing
[19:35] Speaker 1: it is.
[19:36] Speaker 2: It shocked your system.
[19:37] Speaker 1: Matthew Golden I want on every team possible. I'd go
[19:40] Speaker 1: a step further and I would rather have him over Watson,
[19:44] Speaker 1: certainly for the price. Wow, And I just want Matthew Golden.
[19:48] Speaker 1: That's another one, like, I'm gonna keep my wide receiver
[19:51] Speaker 1: list relatively short, but if you've got him in the
[19:54] Speaker 1: top forty five, I've probably I'd have to actually make
[19:57] Speaker 1: my list, but I'm guessing he would be in my
[19:59] Speaker 1: top thirty five.
[20:00] Speaker 3: I just want him.
[20:01] Speaker 1: I can absolutely see a scenario where he has a
[20:04] Speaker 1: thousand yard season where he's wide receiver one. I think
[20:07] Speaker 1: the floor has actually got to be pretty high for him.
[20:10] Speaker 3: Way better than Jayden Reid uh way better.
[20:13] Speaker 1: So I'm totally agreeing with you on that take in
[20:15] Speaker 1: him versus Watson, you know, because of Watson's up and
[20:19] Speaker 1: down career. Like to me, those are we'll see. I
[20:21] Speaker 1: think Golden could be a total, big time, breakout league
[20:24] Speaker 1: winner type of guy.
[20:25] Speaker 4: Interesting, I'm really into Watson this year, but I'm drafting
[20:27] Speaker 4: Golden because he's going way, way, way by.
[20:29] Speaker 1: I would like Watson too. I bet I would like
[20:31] Speaker 1: Watson too for the value. Okay, we've teased.
[20:34] Speaker 4: Whoa whoa Greg real quick before, Like you're just unleashing
[20:37] Speaker 4: all these takes. Yeah, can I ask you where you're
[20:40] Speaker 4: going to take these up and coming rookies because that's
[20:44] Speaker 4: like a big part of our fantasy prognostication, right, So
[20:47] Speaker 4: I guess just in and out?
[20:48] Speaker 2: Right?
[20:48] Speaker 4: In or out? Are you in or out on Deshaun Stribbling?
[20:52] Speaker 4: Are you in or out on Casey Concepcion.
[20:54] Speaker 1: It's so funny, was going to end the show with
[20:58] Speaker 1: just giving you a chance to hang out in the
[21:00] Speaker 1: Strip Club.
[21:02] Speaker 3: You are.
[21:04] Speaker 1: The foremost I'm a founding member of the Strip Club.
[21:07] Speaker 1: You might be the only member. No, I'm sure people
[21:09] Speaker 1: have jumped on board. I'm in on both. Not a
[21:13] Speaker 1: place you want to be alone, but I'm for fantasy.
[21:16] Speaker 3: I'm in on both. I'm in on both.
[21:18] Speaker 1: I mean conception was my I didn't he was my
[21:21] Speaker 1: wide receiver too for reality, Like coming into the draft
[21:25] Speaker 1: and I it was like a one A one B
[21:27] Speaker 1: like I wanted to almost make I believe in him.
[21:30] Speaker 3: I kind of like him a.
[21:31] Speaker 1: Little less from a fantasy perspective, but I still like
[21:34] Speaker 1: him just because you know, there's a lot of mouse
[21:36] Speaker 1: to feed and it's the brown.
[21:38] Speaker 3: But Stribling seems surprisingly.
[21:41] Speaker 1: Undervalued when I when I went to look, because I
[21:43] Speaker 1: saw the like I've heard there's fantasy hype around him,
[21:46] Speaker 1: and I went to go check it out, and.
[21:47] Speaker 3: I was like, not enough. I'm with you.
[21:49] Speaker 2: Make the twelve thron picks right now.
[21:51] Speaker 1: Wow, twelve n I'd rather have Stribbling in fantasy, even
[21:55] Speaker 1: though I think there's more variance. I just think in
[21:57] Speaker 1: fantasy he showed enough for me to believe in him.
[22:01] Speaker 1: I think conceptsi O is a better player, but it
[22:03] Speaker 1: doesn't matter for fantasy.
[22:04] Speaker 3: I think even Stribbling would be better.
[22:06] Speaker 2: No, it really doesn't matter.
[22:07] Speaker 4: I mean you know this that the draft and let's
[22:12] Speaker 4: say Dynasty community has kind of anchored the opinion on
[22:15] Speaker 4: Deshawn's ribbing. Like, think about it, right, if the thirty
[22:18] Speaker 4: third overall pick in any other year was attached to
[22:22] Speaker 4: a play caller the quality of Kyle Shanahan that you
[22:25] Speaker 4: know is so consistent and scores as many points in
[22:27] Speaker 4: San Francisco forty nine ers, wouldn't everyone be freaking out,
[22:31] Speaker 4: you know, and wanting to draft this guy. And yet
[22:33] Speaker 4: because of biases and pre draft opinions on Deshaun shribbling,
[22:37] Speaker 4: they don't care, like it's just not doing anything for them.
[22:41] Speaker 4: So I think we found out your strategy here, Greg
[22:43] Speaker 4: is to maybe load up on running backs early and
[22:45] Speaker 4: then in rounds ten, eleven, twelve, you get Matthew Golden
[22:49] Speaker 4: Casey Conceptsio and Deshaun stribbling.
[22:50] Speaker 1: Like, I don't even yeah, conceptsi own. I have a
[22:53] Speaker 1: lot of stock in in reality.
[22:56] Speaker 4: Button for Todd market, Like, I think that's a big
[22:58] Speaker 4: deal here, right at least like any given week you
[23:01] Speaker 4: can get five six receptions out of him, as we
[23:03] Speaker 4: saw in the preseason game where you got two Manufacturer
[23:06] Speaker 4: touches on Carri's you got the rub route downfield route
[23:11] Speaker 4: that he got too, And to me, that drastically lowers
[23:14] Speaker 4: the value of someone like Harold Fannin, who was the
[23:17] Speaker 4: easy button for Kevin Sefanski in the offense last year.
[23:19] Speaker 4: There's gonna be a section of that playbook for Monkin
[23:22] Speaker 4: where he's like, Okay, we are struggling, and there's gonna
[23:24] Speaker 4: be a lot of struggles this year for the for
[23:26] Speaker 4: the Browns that if we need a first down, if
[23:28] Speaker 4: we need some juice, let's just get the ball in
[23:30] Speaker 4: number one's hands and Casey Conceptsion and there's your handful
[23:33] Speaker 4: of touches every single game.
[23:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, CONCEPTI and with the Browns, and you've convinced me
[23:39] Speaker 1: I want to live in a world as a big
[23:40] Speaker 1: CONCEPTI owned fan where seven d and eighty yards and
[23:43] Speaker 1: three touchdowns is a really good rookie season for Casey
[23:46] Speaker 1: Conceptsio and considering he's on the Browns. But for fantasy's
[23:49] Speaker 1: that's like not that exciting. But yes, John Stribbling, just
[23:53] Speaker 1: for people who are just kind of tuning in, like
[23:55] Speaker 1: a second round pick for the forty nine ers, Mike
[23:57] Speaker 1: Evans has been a little in and out of practice,
[24:00] Speaker 1: just it's a it's a position for Kyle Shanahan that
[24:03] Speaker 1: he loads up Deebo. Samuel is heavily involved. It's uh,
[24:07] Speaker 1: it's asking for it. You very generously teased. What is
[24:11] Speaker 1: going to be the fourth and most important thing that
[24:15] Speaker 1: fantasy footballers are getting wrong?
[24:18] Speaker 3: We'll do that after the break. How about that.
[24:28] Speaker 1: Having fun here with Josh Norris. Yahoo's Sports give him
[24:34] Speaker 1: a follow on all socials. But yeah, that the YouTube
[24:39] Speaker 1: channel Josh and Josh and Hayden getting it done at
[24:43] Speaker 1: yah who Sports.
[24:44] Speaker 3: It's almost like you know how to do this, Josh.
[24:46] Speaker 3: This is fun.
[24:47] Speaker 1: But I hope what I am about to say to
[24:50] Speaker 1: you doesn't just completely change your board in a way
[24:54] Speaker 1: that makes you question what you've been doing.
[24:55] Speaker 3: The last six months.
[24:59] Speaker 1: My four thing is that people just need to stop
[25:02] Speaker 1: taking running backs period. In the third and fourth round
[25:08] Speaker 1: of these drafts. It's over third and fourth, maybe even fifth.
[25:13] Speaker 1: Just there, there's not gonna be any point to it,
[25:17] Speaker 1: and just take these wide receivers. We will go through
[25:21] Speaker 1: these running backs and the wide receivers one on one,
[25:24] Speaker 1: one by one and explain the overall stratagem. But when
[25:31] Speaker 1: I saw this list, Josh, it shocked me. Josh Jacobs, Yeah,
[25:35] Speaker 1: good luck with that. Like suspension, injury, up and down,
[25:39] Speaker 1: bad vibe. You know, accuse the domestic violence. I don't
[25:42] Speaker 1: want that on my team either. Jeremiah Love. I love
[25:45] Speaker 1: him a yeah high ankle Sprain, love him as a player.
[25:48] Speaker 1: Confusing Brisa. I'm not gonna go crazy, but eh, Kim
[25:53] Speaker 1: Skataboo is an insane one.
[25:55] Speaker 3: We'll dive into that. Javonte Williams.
[25:57] Speaker 1: Eh, but like still too early, Bucky Irving, what did
[26:00] Speaker 1: you watch last season?
[26:01] Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift? You could convince me at some point.
[26:04] Speaker 2: I like that. I like that.
[26:07] Speaker 1: Travisset, you know, Travis a Chan and look I love
[26:11] Speaker 1: Baseil Toot and we talked to Travian Henderson. But are
[26:14] Speaker 1: you crazy when you are comparing those guys and I'm
[26:16] Speaker 1: going to give the list of the wide receivers going
[26:18] Speaker 1: in the same area. It is a joke, like comparing
[26:22] Speaker 1: these guys not just as football players, but as fantasy
[26:25] Speaker 1: football assets to the wide receivers that it's available. I
[26:29] Speaker 1: know which team I'm taking. I'm just taking all the receivers.
[26:31] Speaker 1: If I'm drafted a team, all the receivers.
[26:34] Speaker 4: It's why this year again I love drafting at the
[26:37] Speaker 4: turn and in previous years you know, I would never
[26:39] Speaker 4: ever say that, but again, getting two of the running backs,
[26:42] Speaker 4: whether it be JT, James, Cook, Saquon, all the other
[26:45] Speaker 4: guys that we mentioned at the top of the show,
[26:48] Speaker 4: and then hammering wide receivers from there, because as you're saying,
[26:51] Speaker 4: the wide receivers feel like so much better clicks than
[26:53] Speaker 4: the running backs there. And that's been termed the dead
[26:55] Speaker 4: zone recently in the fantasy football community. The dead zone
[26:58] Speaker 4: kind of didn't exist last year in a lot of ways,
[27:01] Speaker 4: but maybe it's back. Like how many running backs are
[27:05] Speaker 4: being selected in the you know, top forty overall is
[27:08] Speaker 4: about seventeen right now. That's a lot. That's a lot
[27:12] Speaker 4: so and you can pick holes in every single one
[27:14] Speaker 4: of the profiles, as you said, and we're about like
[27:17] Speaker 4: their top end outcomes might be exactly where you are
[27:22] Speaker 4: drafting them.
[27:23] Speaker 1: Those guys are fifth, sixth round, seventh round running backs
[27:27] Speaker 1: to me like such big question marks.
[27:30] Speaker 3: I don't I don't like almost any of them.
[27:32] Speaker 1: And then big picture, I'm just gonna list off the
[27:35] Speaker 1: names and then we'll kind of go through some of
[27:37] Speaker 1: these players that we find the most injuries. But here
[27:39] Speaker 1: are the wide receivers going in the roughly the same area,
[27:42] Speaker 1: Like at the end of the second round, third round
[27:44] Speaker 1: turn sometimes it's George Pickens and AJ Brown compared to
[27:47] Speaker 1: those guys Chris Olave coming off that season that he
[27:51] Speaker 1: just had in that offense, say Flowers give it all
[27:55] Speaker 1: to him, like Teteroa McMillan like, put my mortgage on that.
[28:00] Speaker 3: I mean, it's insane. How long how late he is going?
[28:04] Speaker 3: T Higgins fine, DeVante Smith.
[28:06] Speaker 2: Like this is a great pass.
[28:08] Speaker 3: He's fine. Let me it's right. Let me just give
[28:10] Speaker 3: you all the names.
[28:11] Speaker 1: Let me give you the names Lad McConkie later in
[28:13] Speaker 1: the fourth Jalen Wattle, Garrett Wilson, even maybe DJ Moore,
[28:18] Speaker 1: Like these guys are all just great bets. I like
[28:22] Speaker 1: every single one of those names, two varying levels, better
[28:26] Speaker 1: than every single one of the running back names I mentioned.
[28:29] Speaker 1: I would not be taking those backs until like five
[28:31] Speaker 1: or six and they're gone.
[28:32] Speaker 4: Okay, what's gonna happen now? Is in your redraft league
[28:36] Speaker 4: that you play, hopefully you still play one. Uh, you
[28:38] Speaker 4: were going to be destined to pick in the third
[28:42] Speaker 4: or fourth spot, so that gives you Jamar Chase Pukuna
[28:44] Speaker 4: Kua and then once you get back to the end
[28:46] Speaker 4: of round two, Breck, there's gonna be no running backs
[28:49] Speaker 4: here to take either.
[28:50] Speaker 2: Then that's like the Nico Collins Brock.
[28:51] Speaker 1: I would maybe take Saquon like third, or I wouldn't care. Wow,
[28:56] Speaker 1: I don't like I would at least think about it,
[28:59] Speaker 1: like if I'm if, if I'm that, if I'm thinking ahead,
[29:02] Speaker 1: I would probably make sure I get one running back
[29:04] Speaker 1: of the first two. I don't think that's crazy. I
[29:07] Speaker 1: would think about it, like, well, what is this to me?
[29:09] Speaker 1: There's not that big of a difference between I mean,
[29:12] Speaker 1: I love Jamar Chase, but like whoever I'm going to
[29:14] Speaker 1: get in the second round. At receiver, it's not that
[29:16] Speaker 1: much of a difference, whereas at running back, I feel
[29:18] Speaker 1: like I want a real deal dude, and it some
[29:22] Speaker 1: of these are crazy, Zake Collins being that low and
[29:25] Speaker 1: Tetro and mc McMillan actually stand out to me as
[29:27] Speaker 1: the guys who I am most shocked. Okay, are going late,
[29:30] Speaker 1: But give me your case on t Higgins.
[29:33] Speaker 4: Well, I mean the T Higgins one is pretty simple.
[29:35] Speaker 4: I mean, the last time he played seventeen games with
[29:37] Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, he was the wide receiver four and points
[29:40] Speaker 4: per game. You know, he went from six catches and
[29:43] Speaker 4: seventy six yards per contest when playing with Joe Burrow
[29:46] Speaker 4: down to four catches for fifty six yards last year,
[29:48] Speaker 4: and that's because he got you know, eight games of Borrow,
[29:51] Speaker 4: six games of flacc going three with Jake Browning. So
[29:53] Speaker 4: T Higgins is one of these guys that's kind of
[29:56] Speaker 4: viewed as this high variance boom or bust all that
[29:59] Speaker 4: type of stuff. But great, you know that these under
[30:01] Speaker 4: centered play action looks at the Cincinnati Bengals are throwing out,
[30:04] Speaker 4: that's going to mean a lot of two main routes
[30:06] Speaker 4: down the field and only two people are going to
[30:08] Speaker 4: catch the ball, and that's Jamar Chase and T Higgins.
[30:10] Speaker 4: So while you know it's been kind of inconsistent and
[30:13] Speaker 4: they're trying to plow through it and make sure it works,
[30:16] Speaker 4: I think it will in the end, and if it doesn't,
[30:17] Speaker 4: they'll just abandon and.
[30:18] Speaker 2: Go back to what worked the last couple of years.
[30:20] Speaker 1: Too.
[30:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's fine.
[30:23] Speaker 1: I just like the other guys more and I you know,
[30:25] Speaker 1: he's a little heavy reliant on touchdowns, but he has
[30:28] Speaker 1: been extremely consistent at that. But I'd rather just like
[30:32] Speaker 1: catches yards. It's more that I like the other guys.
[30:35] Speaker 1: I got no problem with t Higgins whatsoever. They're really
[30:38] Speaker 1: the only two receivers if there were people paying super
[30:41] Speaker 1: close attention and going through the ADP that I don't
[30:44] Speaker 1: like that are getting taken in the third round are
[30:47] Speaker 1: neighbors just because I don't want the risk of it all?
[30:50] Speaker 4: And Rashid Rice, I'm the opposite of you on Neighbors,
[30:55] Speaker 4: on the opposite. In fact, after this recording, I am
[31:00] Speaker 4: doing an episode where I go through, like the fourteen
[31:03] Speaker 4: players I'm betting my entire fantasy season on.
[31:05] Speaker 3: See. That's a great that's a great YouTube headline right there.
[31:07] Speaker 3: That's you guys there it is.
[31:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I try to do it. Man.
[31:12] Speaker 4: He's my favorite round three pick right now, and I
[31:15] Speaker 4: have him twenty second overall, so I would take him
[31:17] Speaker 4: at the end part of round two. Like There's been
[31:20] Speaker 4: so much negative buzz around players returning from injury so
[31:24] Speaker 4: far this preseason, but for him it has only been possible.
[31:28] Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I was listening to you don't
[31:30] Speaker 3: think so I was listening.
[31:32] Speaker 1: Well, I don't care about what people are saying as
[31:34] Speaker 1: much as what he is doing which is not even
[31:36] Speaker 1: close to playing football yet, and so at this point
[31:39] Speaker 1: that concerns me. The Giants Nation podcast, I heard Jordan
[31:43] Speaker 1: Rainon talk about it a little bit like it was
[31:45] Speaker 1: there his first day, even going up against other defenders,
[31:49] Speaker 1: but you can't touch him in everything, and he thought
[31:51] Speaker 1: he was like, you know, is that just how he
[31:53] Speaker 1: moves or is he like jumping off the wrong foot
[31:55] Speaker 1: limping around. I am worried when I don't think he's
[32:00] Speaker 1: shown yet that he's particularly close to being one hundred percent.
[32:04] Speaker 1: People get over their skis a little bit like he's
[32:06] Speaker 1: not on pup, he's not doing this like maybe he
[32:08] Speaker 1: will be playing week one. My guess is like he's
[32:12] Speaker 1: not going to be full moleak Neighbors for the start
[32:15] Speaker 1: of the season, like even if he's out there, And
[32:17] Speaker 1: so when there's it's more about the other options that
[32:21] Speaker 1: are there. When you're telling me that I could have McMillan,
[32:23] Speaker 1: or I like Zay Flowers that much, I like Devontae
[32:26] Speaker 1: Smith that much, I like like Waddle that much, where
[32:28] Speaker 1: I just like, go for it because I have a
[32:31] Speaker 1: feeling we'll see the best of Milik Neighbors in twenty
[32:33] Speaker 1: twenty seven because that was a next level injury that
[32:35] Speaker 1: wasn't like a normal it was.
[32:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, it was for sure, just one final thing, one
[32:39] Speaker 4: reason why. And look, whatever happened last year, we try
[32:42] Speaker 4: to recreate it with someone this year. And Jackson Smith
[32:45] Speaker 4: and jigb last year. You know, in these heavier personnel
[32:47] Speaker 4: looks which the league is taking on at a ridiculous
[32:52] Speaker 4: rate rate based on the NFL Draft, he scored and
[32:56] Speaker 4: had fifty one percent of his production on thirty eight
[32:58] Speaker 4: percent of these heavy your personal looks. Okay, Malik Neighbors
[33:02] Speaker 4: now has Matt Naggi and Greg Roman building this offense. Right,
[33:07] Speaker 4: both of those teams that those two you know, play
[33:10] Speaker 4: callers or coordinators work for want to have these heavier
[33:14] Speaker 4: personal bodies on the field. So you have Theo Johnson,
[33:17] Speaker 4: you have Isaiah Likely, you have Chris Manhertz, you have
[33:19] Speaker 4: Patrick Ricard. And what that does is we love that
[33:21] Speaker 4: out of passing looks because that just means the ball
[33:24] Speaker 4: is gonna be funneled to the best players. And the
[33:26] Speaker 4: best player by far is Malik Neighbors. So you could
[33:30] Speaker 4: be right at the same time if he does miss
[33:31] Speaker 4: Week one or whatever, you're not taking a zero for
[33:33] Speaker 4: that in your facy league too, like I would put
[33:35] Speaker 4: on my shoulders to start Deshaun Strippling or Matthew Golden
[33:38] Speaker 4: in his place, for example. So I love all those
[33:42] Speaker 4: wide receivers though, Like this, This is why a salary
[33:45] Speaker 4: capper an auction league is so great, because I would
[33:48] Speaker 4: love to spend a lot on the top running backs
[33:50] Speaker 4: and then exit with like four of those wide receivers.
[33:53] Speaker 4: All that you mentioned from a Lave to Za Flowers
[33:55] Speaker 4: to Waddle to lad all that group is fantastic in
[33:59] Speaker 4: my mind.
[33:59] Speaker 1: I mean Pickens and Brown sometimes falling it. It looks
[34:02] Speaker 1: like you're seeing like the third round is a little
[34:05] Speaker 1: wild to me. I am easily influenced by what I
[34:09] Speaker 1: just saw. And what I saw at the Joint practices
[34:11] Speaker 1: was like a j Brown hitting that turbo boost past.
[34:14] Speaker 3: That's Quinnon Mitchell.
[34:15] Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like it's coming together, it's happening
[34:19] Speaker 1: a lobby like it already happened.
[34:22] Speaker 3: We saw it down the stretch.
[34:24] Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is one where if I had the choice
[34:26] Speaker 1: day Flowers or Teturo and McMillan, I'm gonna take McMillan.
[34:29] Speaker 1: I think McMillan is not a like a crazy like
[34:34] Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't end up taking him in the middle
[34:36] Speaker 1: of the second round, but I don't think like, to me,
[34:38] Speaker 1: that's closer to his value is like a top twenty
[34:41] Speaker 1: fantasy pick. I think there's a real possibility that either
[34:44] Speaker 1: one of those guys. But McMillan to me, is just
[34:45] Speaker 1: a better player than Zay Flowers is. There is a
[34:49] Speaker 1: real opportunity and we're not you know, we're not allowed
[34:52] Speaker 1: to gamble or play fantasy for money here at NFL
[34:55] Speaker 1: Daily Josh, but we're allowed to talk about these odds
[34:59] Speaker 1: and stuff like, of course, whatever the long odds of
[35:02] Speaker 1: those two guys, one of them leading the league and
[35:04] Speaker 1: receiving is Like, I don't think that's a crazy notion
[35:07] Speaker 1: that Zay or McMillan like have fifteen hundred yards, that
[35:10] Speaker 1: they that their league winner types, which is the type
[35:13] Speaker 1: of guy that you know, I want to be drafting,
[35:15] Speaker 1: are league winner types crazy huge ceilings, and I think
[35:18] Speaker 1: the floors, you know, quite high for both of them.
[35:22] Speaker 3: What do you think about those two specifically.
[35:26] Speaker 4: Zay, I think this is a great potential reset season
[35:29] Speaker 4: for him, not that he necessarily needs it from his
[35:31] Speaker 4: you know, true fantasy production. As he scored basically in
[35:36] Speaker 4: the spot last year. But from a play caller standpoint,
[35:39] Speaker 4: and the real way that say Flowers not becomes like
[35:43] Speaker 4: a little win like you're talking about, but a massive
[35:45] Speaker 4: win is red zone targets. So he had just ten
[35:49] Speaker 4: red zone targets last season, only seventeen over the last
[35:53] Speaker 4: two years. Olama Dazakias had more red zone targets than
[35:57] Speaker 4: Save Flowers had last season. And red zone tuchuchdowns, Okay,
[36:01] Speaker 4: Zay Flower like touchdowns really matter at the end of
[36:03] Speaker 4: the day. That is the big barometer of if you
[36:06] Speaker 4: had a good fantasy season or not. And Zay has
[36:09] Speaker 4: never scored more than six touchdowns in a season, yet
[36:13] Speaker 4: was the wide receiver thirteen in points per game last year.
[36:15] Speaker 4: But we have a new play caller in the fold, right,
[36:17] Speaker 4: we have Decland Doyle, who by the way, was a
[36:19] Speaker 4: coach on the staff for Alamede Zakias last year. And
[36:23] Speaker 4: I look at and the size, and you know, the
[36:27] Speaker 4: natural biology of the two might be a little bit different.
[36:30] Speaker 4: But Zay Flowers versus Aman Rossaint Brown, right, and maybe,
[36:34] Speaker 4: just maybe Zay can be utilized in that condensed area
[36:37] Speaker 4: like aarsb is who by the Way led the NFL
[36:40] Speaker 4: with thirty four red zone targets last year, had sixty
[36:43] Speaker 4: six over the last two seasons. So you get him
[36:46] Speaker 4: some manufactured space, you get him in you know, these
[36:49] Speaker 4: stacked formations in this condensed field, and maybe that can
[36:53] Speaker 4: at least get him to know five red zone touchdowns
[36:56] Speaker 4: rather than ten and that would be just a huge,
[36:58] Speaker 4: huge win for save Flower season.
[37:00] Speaker 1: Well, here's what he hasn't done as a pro missed
[37:03] Speaker 1: the game, had had less than one hundred and eight
[37:06] Speaker 1: targets in a season, And I put something into the
[37:11] Speaker 1: contract that they gave him. I mean, they believe in him,
[37:14] Speaker 1: and this is something where he's not for everyone, but
[37:19] Speaker 1: he is for them like he they love him.
[37:22] Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson loves him.
[37:23] Speaker 1: And this is one where I just loved the fantasy
[37:25] Speaker 1: situation more than the reality because it's it's a cliff
[37:29] Speaker 1: after him in terms of like Jacobe Laanin sure, it's
[37:32] Speaker 1: maybe is a fun late round prick like Bateman, like
[37:34] Speaker 1: there's other people there.
[37:34] Speaker 2: Mark Andrews, decline, all that type, but.
[37:36] Speaker 3: We just know he's going to be there.
[37:37] Speaker 1: And if they have you know, you're talking about like
[37:39] Speaker 1: the receiver who's on the field in heavy formations, it's
[37:42] Speaker 1: going to be safe flowers. So you're you're a Panthers guy,
[37:46] Speaker 1: But I want to hear T mac. I want to
[37:47] Speaker 1: hear your t Mac.
[37:48] Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of hedging with this one.
[37:50] Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you because everyone is over
[37:54] Speaker 4: the moon about Tedder Rogue Millon and I understand it. Right,
[37:56] Speaker 4: there's a lot of talk about getting him in the
[37:58] Speaker 4: slot and that jumping from like fifty percent to thirty percent.
[38:01] Speaker 4: And we know when you're in the slot, you get
[38:02] Speaker 4: the football. It's again you you have more manufactured space
[38:05] Speaker 4: for you. I also want to bring up that for
[38:09] Speaker 4: basically the first half of last season, Jalen Coker was
[38:12] Speaker 4: not on the field right, and since Jalen Cocher took
[38:16] Speaker 4: over in the back half or like the final six
[38:18] Speaker 4: games of last season, he and tedro mnc Millan had
[38:21] Speaker 4: the same target share and the number of targets, and
[38:24] Speaker 4: Jalen Cocher was just more productive and all that. Now,
[38:27] Speaker 4: that's not to say that he's a better wide receiver.
[38:29] Speaker 4: It's more greg that I'm a little bit nervous that
[38:32] Speaker 4: everyone is hyping up Tedror mnc Millan. And then if
[38:34] Speaker 4: he doesn't perform this year, then everyone's just gonna get
[38:37] Speaker 4: in Bryce s Young's case and be like that guy
[38:38] Speaker 4: friaking socks.
[38:39] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, panthersy guy. So you're yeah, you're you're trying
[38:42] Speaker 1: to protect your heart. I would ask you, are people
[38:47] Speaker 1: getting that excited about that's Aero McMillan, But they're not,
[38:50] Speaker 1: like this is one which.
[38:52] Speaker 2: Drafts they're not, But like the fantasy conversation.
[38:54] Speaker 1: Okay, this is one where where I could be your consultant,
[38:57] Speaker 1: you know, like your fantasy every August, jump in and
[39:01] Speaker 1: try to give you my bird's eye kind of McKinsey
[39:06] Speaker 1: like view here. And one of them would be like, oh,
[39:09] Speaker 1: I don't think people are that excited about Tetsuro mcmill
[39:12] Speaker 1: I think his profile and his ability and his like
[39:17] Speaker 1: rookie season and thinking that he can get a lot
[39:19] Speaker 1: better year two and just who he's going to be
[39:21] Speaker 1: over the next four years. That like, I was quite
[39:24] Speaker 1: surprised that he wasn't up there with a J. Brown,
[39:29] Speaker 1: with like a J Brown and Pickens at like the
[39:31] Speaker 1: two three turn. That's like where I expected a guy
[39:33] Speaker 1: with his profile to because to me, he has a
[39:36] Speaker 1: real chance to just be a top ten Fantasy Alpha
[39:41] Speaker 1: Reality Alpha for the next you know while, So I
[39:44] Speaker 1: actually thought like this is great value, like the fact
[39:46] Speaker 1: he's near you know, Abuka and guys like that.
[39:48] Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I buy that. I mean he is truly, truly,
[39:54] Speaker 2: truly sensational. Uh.
[39:56] Speaker 4: And I actually think a the transition to Brat calling
[40:00] Speaker 4: plays has gone under the radar here where I believe
[40:03] Speaker 4: that brad Zick is going to open things up from
[40:07] Speaker 4: week one, Like it is on my radar that over
[40:10] Speaker 4: the last two years, the Panthers have started slow offensively
[40:13] Speaker 4: each time, and they were like trying to figure out
[40:15] Speaker 4: exactly what worked in the passing game. But by the
[40:17] Speaker 4: time we get to the second half of the season, you
[40:19] Speaker 4: look at the underlying numbers and Bryce Shung's one of
[40:21] Speaker 4: the best like downfield throwers in the league. What if
[40:24] Speaker 4: they just started in week one with that and both
[40:26] Speaker 4: t mac and Jaylen Coker would be huge beneficiaries of that.
[40:29] Speaker 1: And look, I know you were you're you're you're a
[40:32] Speaker 1: fan of the of the Coker You're you're one of
[40:35] Speaker 1: the coke heads back in the day, right, you gotta
[40:37] Speaker 1: be a little careful with the cooke Heads and the
[40:40] Speaker 1: Strip Club and yeah.
[40:42] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I know, but at some point the play
[40:44] Speaker 4: on words and the bit goes a bit too far.
[40:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, things could get dangerous there.
[40:48] Speaker 1: But for people that are you know, forgetting where we
[40:51] Speaker 1: are in the show, we are in the fourth point
[40:53] Speaker 1: that fantasy footballers are getting completely wrong. And if there's
[40:56] Speaker 1: one takeaway from this show, at least what I want
[40:59] Speaker 1: them to take away from me is you need to
[41:02] Speaker 1: get all the receivers that you can out of this bucket. Pickens,
[41:06] Speaker 1: AJ Brown, A, lave Z, Flowers, T Mac, I'll throw
[41:10] Speaker 1: Higgins in there at DeVante Smith. And since we've mentioned
[41:13] Speaker 1: some of them, and I did just want to get
[41:14] Speaker 1: who stands out to you of the four more that
[41:17] Speaker 1: I'm going to include in this group of guys I
[41:19] Speaker 1: would really like to get in drafts. And I'm just
[41:21] Speaker 1: gonna keep drafting this bucket until they're gone. Lad McConkie,
[41:25] Speaker 1: I think you know, Bilo so high doesn't get that complicated.
[41:29] Speaker 1: I think the signs are all really good for Ladd
[41:32] Speaker 1: McConkie this year versus last year. Jalen Wattle very happy
[41:37] Speaker 1: if I end up with him, Garrett Wilson, and I
[41:40] Speaker 1: think I'm gonna throw DJ Moore in there too. From
[41:42] Speaker 1: a fantasy perspective, just some thoughts on those guys and
[41:46] Speaker 1: who stands out to you out of them.
[41:49] Speaker 4: If your viewers and listeners promise to go watch my
[41:52] Speaker 4: YouTube video after this again with the fourteen players that
[41:54] Speaker 4: I'm cutting my fantasy season on.
[41:56] Speaker 2: Jalen Watta was one of those names.
[41:57] Speaker 4: That's my favorite Round four pick for a number of reasons,
[42:01] Speaker 4: Like you can look at the again the nerd metrics
[42:04] Speaker 4: that we like with the over four yards per route
[42:06] Speaker 4: runoff play action last year, which was a down season
[42:08] Speaker 4: for the Dolphins. The Broncos had the third most passes
[42:11] Speaker 4: off play action in the NFL last year. And then
[42:14] Speaker 4: you know he was wide receiver eighteen in points per
[42:17] Speaker 4: game on an offense that was thirty first in place,
[42:19] Speaker 4: and now he goes to one that is fifth in place.
[42:21] Speaker 4: Like there's such a big difference. Courtland Sutton ran six
[42:24] Speaker 4: hundred and sixty four routes last year, greg Jalen Wattle
[42:27] Speaker 4: only ran four hundred and forty two, a difference of
[42:30] Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty routes between the two guys, and
[42:32] Speaker 4: those are just going to be given to Jalen Wattle.
[42:35] Speaker 4: With the hope that he doesn't hobble off and find
[42:37] Speaker 4: the blue tent every other game, which has kind of
[42:39] Speaker 4: been his history. But at the same time, like this
[42:42] Speaker 4: is exactly the player that Sean Payton's been a first
[42:45] Speaker 4: round pick on to change what this passing game is
[42:47] Speaker 4: going to be, to take it to the next level.
[42:49] Speaker 4: And when you think about this offense, it's crossing routes,
[42:52] Speaker 4: it's screens, it's vertical routes, Like that is Jalen Wattle's game, right,
[42:56] Speaker 4: So it's like a hand in hand fit. And I
[42:58] Speaker 4: think there's a real chance that we look back and
[43:00] Speaker 4: say he should have been a second round pick.
[43:02] Speaker 3: Love that. I agree.
[43:04] Speaker 1: You convinced me of the group I gave you he
[43:06] Speaker 1: would be my favorite. I think he's got a higher
[43:08] Speaker 1: ceiling than anyone in that tier. I think he's got
[43:12] Speaker 1: a higher ceiling than t Higgins, Like he absolutely could
[43:14] Speaker 1: be one hundred catch like monster yardage season.
[43:18] Speaker 3: I like them all though. I think they're good picks.
[43:21] Speaker 1: A little bit of injury risks, I guess with mconkie
[43:24] Speaker 1: and Waddle, like they're similar, But this season, being at
[43:27] Speaker 1: Chargers camp and just what I've read and seen, I
[43:30] Speaker 1: think McConkie's in a better place.
[43:31] Speaker 3: Okay.
[43:32] Speaker 1: So the reason I put all those names up there
[43:34] Speaker 1: is I like each and every one of them better
[43:37] Speaker 1: than each and every one of the running backs that
[43:40] Speaker 1: I mentioned. And that's how we're going to close the show,
[43:41] Speaker 1: is going through some of the running backs and why
[43:45] Speaker 1: I wanted to stay away from them. Kim Scattabho's actually
[43:47] Speaker 1: the craziest one to me. Granted, his injury is one
[43:53] Speaker 1: that you know, the broken leg that you can come
[43:58] Speaker 1: back from and look one hundred percent, and so far
[44:00] Speaker 1: he looks good. He's playing in the preseason. Like, I
[44:04] Speaker 1: just think it's crazy to take him that high, even
[44:07] Speaker 1: if you're throwing the injury of it all aside size,
[44:11] Speaker 1: total ability, whether that backfield gets crowded, whether his running
[44:16] Speaker 1: style can really work in the NFL. I'm this is
[44:20] Speaker 1: where we get back to good player. Like he's obviously
[44:23] Speaker 1: a good he's good at playing football, But is he
[44:25] Speaker 1: going to be like a highly effective NFL player over
[44:29] Speaker 1: his career and even over this season.
[44:32] Speaker 3: I got my doubt. I got my doubts about that.
[44:34] Speaker 1: I do not think he's going to be the super
[44:35] Speaker 1: nova statistically that he was a year ago at all.
[44:39] Speaker 4: So, if you ask me to be negative norse, here
[44:41] Speaker 4: I can do with Kim Kattabu. Okay, so you mentioned
[44:44] Speaker 4: the injury. This is a dislocated right ankle, fractured fibula
[44:49] Speaker 4: and ruptured his deltoid ligament on.
[44:51] Speaker 2: Top of it.
[44:51] Speaker 3: Okay, forgot about the ligament part.
[44:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, So there were four players in recent memory that
[44:57] Speaker 4: did that, and it was Tony Pollard, Mark Andrews, Chris
[44:59] Speaker 4: got when In, Isaiah Pacheco, and all declined drastically massively
[45:05] Speaker 4: in their fantasy points the next season. Now they were
[45:08] Speaker 4: on the field, you just didn't see it in your
[45:10] Speaker 4: fantasy scores.
[45:11] Speaker 2: The other part of this is if you put your
[45:13] Speaker 2: ear to the ground.
[45:14] Speaker 4: Starting in March, the Giants were on the look for
[45:18] Speaker 4: like a big time asset at running back. Right there
[45:21] Speaker 4: were the Ken Walker mentions, that Travis a Chan mentions,
[45:24] Speaker 4: the Jeremiah Love and the NFL draft all that, and
[45:27] Speaker 4: then even the beat Riders two weeks ago were saying that, hey,
[45:30] Speaker 4: they're going to make a move for a running back
[45:32] Speaker 4: prior to the season starting, and I guess that move
[45:35] Speaker 4: is Najie Harris. And while some people might laugh at that,
[45:38] Speaker 4: we also need to think of you know, we spent
[45:40] Speaker 4: the season, albeit maybe six weeks with Greg Roman until
[45:43] Speaker 4: he had his injury, But that means something to Cam Skataboo,
[45:48] Speaker 4: who needs just about I think everything in this offense.
[45:51] Speaker 4: Now they're gonna run the football a lot, but touchdowns
[45:54] Speaker 4: are going to matter so much for him here that
[45:56] Speaker 4: even if two or three or four go in the
[45:58] Speaker 4: direction of Naji Harris, that would be a sizeable shift
[46:02] Speaker 4: I think in the output for a season totally.
[46:04] Speaker 1: And they have some similarities in terms of their skill set.
[46:07] Speaker 1: I don't think they trust necessarily that Cam Scataboo's running
[46:13] Speaker 1: style and size are going to hold up over the season.
[46:16] Speaker 1: So they need other options, and I think it'll be
[46:19] Speaker 1: spread around more than people expect, and I actually think
[46:23] Speaker 1: there'll be a good running team and so that's a
[46:25] Speaker 1: plus for him. But that's to me, it's crazy town
[46:29] Speaker 1: taking him in the third round or wherever he's going
[46:31] Speaker 1: like he to me, is like a sixth seventh round
[46:35] Speaker 1: type of running back. So the wide receivers I mentioned,
[46:38] Speaker 1: like I said, just to make it clean, I'm saying
[46:40] Speaker 1: I would take them all over this tier. But you
[46:43] Speaker 1: said negative Norris. If we want negative Norris out Let's
[46:46] Speaker 1: not include Jeremiah Love, who I do have questions about
[46:51] Speaker 1: the role.
[46:52] Speaker 2: His rookie debut was extremely impressive. He's one of those,
[46:55] Speaker 2: is it, Greg Was it? Yeah? I mean I have
[46:58] Speaker 2: this reason.
[46:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have my doubts about that.
[47:02] Speaker 2: Oh interesting, okay to me.
[47:05] Speaker 4: I love the angle routes that he was getting versus
[47:07] Speaker 4: you know, just manufactured receptions three yards behind the line
[47:11] Speaker 4: of scrimmage. Instead those were five yards beyond the line
[47:13] Speaker 4: of scrimmage with all the wide receivers pushing down the field.
[47:15] Speaker 4: So that's an easy one. But and you have a
[47:19] Speaker 4: different opinion of this, But that's fine. His usage and
[47:23] Speaker 4: how he looked made me move him up, but then
[47:27] Speaker 4: the injury basically made me reset exactly back to where
[47:29] Speaker 4: I already.
[47:30] Speaker 2: Was ranking him.
[47:32] Speaker 1: I'm conflicted. I had I loved him as a prospect.
[47:35] Speaker 1: I do love him as a player. I just like
[47:38] Speaker 1: him less in fantasy. Just watching that game, I just
[47:42] Speaker 1: thought he looked like a rookie in his first game
[47:45] Speaker 1: where he was like a little tentative, and he warmed
[47:46] Speaker 1: up as it went, and he's gonna like have some
[47:49] Speaker 1: jaw dropping plays. He's going to be an incredible pro
[47:52] Speaker 1: I think, but I think at that price, like second
[47:55] Speaker 1: third round, comparing him to what else is out there,
[47:58] Speaker 1: I think it's a little crazy because I think Algier,
[48:01] Speaker 1: I think other running backs are going to get the
[48:03] Speaker 1: ball there. They're gonna be careful with him. He might
[48:05] Speaker 1: be a little tentative. And then a high ankle sprain.
[48:07] Speaker 4: Injected for the lowest points. I mean their schedule up
[48:09] Speaker 4: until week eleven, it's for an absolute nightmare.
[48:12] Speaker 1: And then the high ankle sprain going into the season. Like,
[48:16] Speaker 1: I get you, we're not trying to like overreact injuries
[48:18] Speaker 1: and stuff, but there are so many players that don't
[48:21] Speaker 1: have high ankle sprain's going into the season that you
[48:23] Speaker 1: can draft. So it's like, once you already know that,
[48:26] Speaker 1: then I don't want to deal with it.
[48:27] Speaker 3: It's one thing to be coming off of it the
[48:29] Speaker 3: previous year. It's one.
[48:30] Speaker 1: It's a it's a very different thing to have it
[48:32] Speaker 1: right now. Whereas to me, I would I would move
[48:35] Speaker 1: him way down of the rest of this group.
[48:37] Speaker 3: I mean, Josh Jacobs, yuck. I want no part of him.
[48:40] Speaker 1: I think he's like not draftable, like anywhere near where
[48:44] Speaker 1: you would need to take him.
[48:46] Speaker 3: Breis Hall Dvante Williams.
[48:49] Speaker 1: I'm not going to be as angry, but I still
[48:51] Speaker 1: want the receivers more Bucky Irving, DeAndre Swift, We're getting deeper,
[48:55] Speaker 1: Ian Travis a chin like. Of these guys, where do
[48:59] Speaker 1: you want to bring out the negative norse?
[49:01] Speaker 3: And where do you want to tell me I'm wrong too?
[49:03] Speaker 1: What?
[49:04] Speaker 3: We can finish the show with a little back and
[49:06] Speaker 3: forth on these guys.
[49:08] Speaker 2: The one I actually like the most of that group
[49:10] Speaker 2: is Breeze Hall.
[49:10] Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, me too.
[49:12] Speaker 4: If anyone told you that Brisall is coming off a
[49:15] Speaker 4: career high in rushing yards, you would think they're ridiculous,
[49:19] Speaker 4: But it's true he is. Now that only equaled the
[49:22] Speaker 4: running back twenty and scoring last year in points per game,
[49:25] Speaker 4: and once again it's back to because he only had
[49:28] Speaker 4: five touchdowns. So I am not a Frank Wright guy.
[49:32] Speaker 4: That's pretty clear. I'm really nervous about how he's going
[49:35] Speaker 4: to be able to handle all these pieces. But at
[49:38] Speaker 4: the very least, every word around Jets training camp prior
[49:42] Speaker 4: to this growing strain or whatever it is, is that hey,
[49:45] Speaker 4: we're gonna get belcow workload from Breshall the Jets last
[49:48] Speaker 4: year were twenty ninth and touchdowns per game twenty ninth
[49:51] Speaker 4: in red zone drives per game thirty first, and red
[49:54] Speaker 4: zone touchdown success rate. I just hope that they can
[49:56] Speaker 4: inch slightly closer to league average.
[50:00] Speaker 2: Greg, we talk about.
[50:01] Speaker 4: You know, a team being twentieth in scoring versus twenty
[50:05] Speaker 4: six versus sixteenth and all this stuff. Really, you just
[50:07] Speaker 4: don't want to draft someone that is on a bottom
[50:09] Speaker 4: three scoring offense. Yeah, and I don't think the Jets
[50:12] Speaker 4: are going to be a bottom three scoring offense like
[50:14] Speaker 4: they were last year. I trust your guy Gino enough
[50:16] Speaker 4: to do this, and most importantly, I trust the offensive
[50:20] Speaker 4: line to be really good and above average. And if
[50:23] Speaker 4: that's the case, that is a good enough ecosystem to
[50:26] Speaker 4: have this thing be the twenty third, twenty fourth scoring offense.
[50:30] Speaker 4: And that's a great environment for Brisol to I think outproduce.
[50:33] Speaker 4: Where he's going as the eleventh pick of the third round.
[50:36] Speaker 1: The groinstrain worries me a little bit. The question with
[50:39] Speaker 1: him coming into the draft, like, oh, would he be
[50:41] Speaker 1: like a bellcow back? Now do you look at his
[50:44] Speaker 1: first three years and ultimately take away like he kind
[50:48] Speaker 1: of has been. I mean, he's been as consistent as
[50:50] Speaker 1: it gets in terms of total touches a year after year,
[50:52] Speaker 1: so you have to give him credit. Maybe I'm overreacting
[50:55] Speaker 1: a little to the groinstrain, like he's not on a
[50:58] Speaker 1: do not draft list for me, Like it's not crazy
[51:01] Speaker 1: town to take him in the fourth round, and like
[51:03] Speaker 1: even late in the third I just still like my
[51:06] Speaker 1: receivers better. So that's the one you disagree the most.
[51:10] Speaker 1: Let's wrap with like of those guys, Javonte, Bucky eight
[51:14] Speaker 1: chan to, like, is there is there one you're you
[51:17] Speaker 1: agree with me is getting taken to.
[51:21] Speaker 4: It's probably Javante. And you know I do the show
[51:25] Speaker 4: with Hayden, and to me, Javante is just like hitting
[51:28] Speaker 4: a double, Like, Hey, if if I can draft the
[51:32] Speaker 4: running back thirteen at a running back sixteen price, hag,
[51:35] Speaker 4: I'll do that every single time I get that line
[51:37] Speaker 4: every single show we talk about Javonte Woyde. To me, Greg,
[51:41] Speaker 4: maybe I'm dumb enough, but I think I'm smart enough
[51:44] Speaker 4: to say to myself, Hey, in the third round, I
[51:47] Speaker 4: could potentially draft a player that winds up top five
[51:50] Speaker 4: at his position, right, because that's what wins leagues is
[51:53] Speaker 4: when you draft someone fifteenth at their position that actually
[51:56] Speaker 4: winds up as fifth, or you draft someone thirty fifth
[51:59] Speaker 4: of their position that winds up fifteenth. Right, It's not
[52:02] Speaker 4: these small wins or small gains. And I just don't
[52:04] Speaker 4: see how Javonte Williams does that.
[52:07] Speaker 1: Right, If they have the number one offense in the
[52:09] Speaker 1: league and he scores you know, James Cook level touchdown.
[52:13] Speaker 4: Fourteen touchdowns, yes, then that's another route.
[52:16] Speaker 3: That's the route.
[52:17] Speaker 4: But that is I think the only route, Like it's not. Hey,
[52:20] Speaker 4: if they actually wind up a little bit worse, then
[52:22] Speaker 4: he can go out there and have a whole bunch
[52:23] Speaker 4: of receiving yards. He's not that back anymore. So I
[52:27] Speaker 4: just think, and this might be my bias standing in
[52:29] Speaker 4: front here, that I remember the prospect he was coming
[52:33] Speaker 4: out of you and see, and he's just like, not
[52:35] Speaker 4: even close to that player anymore. Albeit he has gotten
[52:38] Speaker 4: a little bit better than he was in the Broncos days,
[52:40] Speaker 4: He's just a volume sponge and I don't really want
[52:42] Speaker 4: to take a volume sponge at that spot.
[52:44] Speaker 3: You've kind of convinced me off him.
[52:45] Speaker 1: Not that I was going to take him, because again,
[52:47] Speaker 1: I'm not taking running backs in the third or exactly right,
[52:49] Speaker 1: but of those guys, I was closer to Hayden on that, Like, yeah,
[52:53] Speaker 1: I think he's at least a double. But if I
[52:55] Speaker 1: listen to myself and think how great is he actually
[52:59] Speaker 1: as an NFL player? Plus, by low so high, you
[53:02] Speaker 1: are buying a little high on Javonte To me, I don't.
[53:05] Speaker 1: I just don't hate him as much. Bucky Irving to
[53:07] Speaker 1: me is a disastrous pick that seems totally insane to
[53:11] Speaker 1: me in that backfield. Does he even finish second or
[53:14] Speaker 1: third and Fantasy points on that team? I feel like
[53:16] Speaker 1: that's possible. I'm not sure how good Bucky Irving is.
[53:19] Speaker 1: I'm not sure how good that running game is gonna
[53:21] Speaker 1: be with Zach Robinson and everything.
[53:23] Speaker 3: Like, I don't.
[53:25] Speaker 1: I don't like that pick whatsoever, just like I don't
[53:28] Speaker 1: like the Scataboo pick. The way that you put that
[53:32] Speaker 1: together though, of like how fantasy is won, it's not
[53:35] Speaker 1: by getting the RB twelve value out of RB fifteen
[53:40] Speaker 1: that that's uh, that's why you're the man, Like, that's
[53:43] Speaker 1: why people people love the show.
[53:46] Speaker 3: You're one of the best at what you do. Appreciate you, Josh.
[53:49] Speaker 4: Of course, Greg, And now most people listen to the show,
[53:51] Speaker 4: you know, go into it saying that they are on
[53:53] Speaker 4: Haynen side, and they ended by saying, they're on my
[53:55] Speaker 4: side just like you, So I appreciate that.
[53:57] Speaker 1: I love that you're taking shots at your co host,
[53:59] Speaker 1: but he's not even here to defend. And we'll have
[54:01] Speaker 1: to have hate it on next time too. We should
[54:03] Speaker 1: all right, that's not the last Fantasy preview. I didn't,
[54:06] Speaker 1: you know, look at this one as like the full
[54:08] Speaker 1: scale everything you need to know. This was more, you know,
[54:12] Speaker 1: just a few things off. This one is getting your
[54:15] Speaker 1: takes off exactly well. And we got your takes along
[54:17] Speaker 1: the way, and I think those were probably more valuable.
[54:20] Speaker 3: So that's it.
[54:21] Speaker 1: It's been a great week here at NFL Daily. We
[54:24] Speaker 1: will be back. One of my favorite shows of the
[54:27] Speaker 1: year is the preseason Week two recap show. We are
[54:31] Speaker 1: doing it live Nick Chuk and I eight pm Eastern,
[54:35] Speaker 1: five pm Pacific. Check us out on YouTube. It's all
[54:38] Speaker 1: sixteen games. It's the preseason week that matters the most.
[54:40] Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of fun takeaways. We are
[54:43] Speaker 1: so close to real football. We will see that

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