# NFL Daily 32: Ranking the Best Edge Rushers

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 22 May 2026, 1 h 27 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly give you their top 32 edge rushers from across the NFL. Find out if anyone comes in before Myles Garrett, which teams get left of the list entirely, and who just makes the cut of NFL Daily's top 32 edge rushers. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody.
[0:01] Speaker 2: You gotta be a little sick to love this game.
[0:03] Speaker 2: And we got some picos.
[0:06] Speaker 3: Welcome to NFL Daily, where Andrew Van Ginkole definitely qualifies
[0:10] Speaker 3: as an edge I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm with Oli Connolly.
[0:13] Speaker 3: It's Sicko season, that means ranking season. While other shows
[0:17] Speaker 3: are doing quarterbacks in mid May, we're going deep top
[0:21] Speaker 3: thirty two edge rushers. That's right, it's the NFL Daily
[0:24] Speaker 3: thirty two. Our running segment and our conversation before the
[0:28] Speaker 3: show started was just making sure Ali that Van Gangle
[0:31] Speaker 3: counts as an edge rusher before we do this voting.
[0:34] Speaker 1: You could take them first over off you want it.
[0:36] Speaker 4: It's in play. It's certainly in play. I love me
[0:39] Speaker 4: some Van Ginkel. I love doing this with you. I
[0:41] Speaker 4: love spending my off season having everyone call me a
[0:44] Speaker 4: fool and a clown and all the things. I'm being
[0:45] Speaker 4: cold as I remind people, this is a somewhat projection
[0:49] Speaker 4: on where we see the league right now. Who would
[0:51] Speaker 4: take sat here today for next season, not just stay
[0:55] Speaker 4: reflection on last season. I do think these rankings really interesting.
[0:59] Speaker 4: What if I just said who had the best twenty
[1:01] Speaker 4: twenty five film plus numbers compared to a slight projection
[1:05] Speaker 4: of what it would look like to twenty twenty six.
[1:07] Speaker 4: Who could be breakout plays, who gonna lead from one
[1:09] Speaker 4: to to the other. That was where I was having
[1:11] Speaker 4: the panic attacks last night and the sleepless nights trying
[1:13] Speaker 4: to put this thing together.
[1:15] Speaker 3: It is a different ranking, and that's why I ultimately
[1:19] Speaker 3: only care about the people that are listening. The people
[1:21] Speaker 3: commenting on social you know, they're not getting the full context,
[1:25] Speaker 3: but it is a balance between how they finished last year.
[1:30] Speaker 3: That would be an interesting exercise too, just who was
[1:32] Speaker 3: the best? I think you can give that sort of
[1:34] Speaker 3: context when we're explaining the players, but also, yeah, a
[1:37] Speaker 3: look forward of who we would want in twenty twenty six.
[1:42] Speaker 3: And yes, at the edge position, so it's not three
[1:44] Speaker 3: four defensive ends, rookies are eligible and the you know,
[1:49] Speaker 3: last time we did offensive lines, previously we did coaches.
[1:52] Speaker 3: This is the first just like solo players, rookies eligible,
[1:56] Speaker 3: but a tough position to crack a top thirty two list.
[1:59] Speaker 3: So we'll see if a rook even makes this list.
[2:01] Speaker 3: And without any further ado, I'm going to give you
[2:03] Speaker 3: the first overall pick, Ali I'm feeling generous today.
[2:07] Speaker 4: You're such a gentleman with the first overall pick. I
[2:10] Speaker 4: will take Miles Garrett from the Cleveland Browns, who is
[2:14] Speaker 4: I think quite clearly, quite complete, the most dominant one
[2:17] Speaker 4: on one ed rush from the league. Obviously broke the
[2:20] Speaker 4: sack record last year. He has one of the most
[2:22] Speaker 4: absurd pressure to sack rates over the totality of his career.
[2:25] Speaker 4: I don't think there's going to be any sound decline
[2:27] Speaker 4: for a long long time. He is more than anyone else.
[2:31] Speaker 4: Him and microwd boocket together as the guys who tilt
[2:33] Speaker 4: the entire geometry of the field more than anyone else.
[2:36] Speaker 4: When you look at how teams have to try and
[2:37] Speaker 4: offset them what they do, I would say with Micah
[2:40] Speaker 4: it's as much about the individual mechanics of do we
[2:43] Speaker 4: chip him, do we double him? I think Garrett has
[2:45] Speaker 4: more of a global impact on the entirety of the
[2:48] Speaker 4: game plan in teams just deciding there are things off
[2:50] Speaker 4: the menu for us this week that are traditionally on
[2:52] Speaker 4: the menu for us. Because that guy's there, he gets
[2:54] Speaker 4: to us so quickly, so I just think that he
[2:56] Speaker 4: does still sit in in a cat'sgro of his own yeah.
[2:59] Speaker 3: We happen to be at one of his quieter games
[3:01] Speaker 3: of the year in London, and yet even then you
[3:03] Speaker 3: could just watch it from the Live All twenty two.
[3:05] Speaker 3: How the entire plan of the opposition is all about
[3:09] Speaker 3: stopping Miles Garrett. And you mentioned with the chips and
[3:13] Speaker 3: the double teams next time, and stats keeps tracks of that,
[3:15] Speaker 3: and percentage wise, he still did face the most double
[3:20] Speaker 3: teams plus chips of any player in the league. And
[3:23] Speaker 3: number two and that stat is Michael Parsons and there's
[3:25] Speaker 3: a decent gap between him Parsons and number three. So
[3:29] Speaker 3: NFL teams are telling us what they think that they
[3:32] Speaker 3: agree and why not get Andrew Siciliano into the show.
[3:36] Speaker 3: I mean, if if Miles Garrett is gonna set an
[3:38] Speaker 3: all time record and one of our friends gets to
[3:40] Speaker 3: call it, I want to listen to that call on
[3:42] Speaker 3: the show.
[3:43] Speaker 2: Five twenty remaining in this game, Brouns up five. Bengals
[3:46] Speaker 2: have it first out of the rounds forty five yard line.
[3:49] Speaker 1: Borough shotgun on them. He got them there.
[3:54] Speaker 2: It is Miles Garrett sack number twenty three, new single
[4:01] Speaker 2: season sack king and the Browns defense mops their man
[4:07] Speaker 2: at the Cincinnati forty five yard line.
[4:12] Speaker 3: I kind of forgot that's a close game and the
[4:14] Speaker 3: drama was building. It took him a while to get
[4:16] Speaker 3: that finals, like only five minutes left there in the
[4:19] Speaker 3: entire season, and Garrett gets a meaningful sack. So a
[4:21] Speaker 3: cool way to finish only six in total pressures. You
[4:25] Speaker 3: mentioned the pressure to sack, Yeah, he was. He had
[4:26] Speaker 3: the highest pressure to sack ratio of like anyone in
[4:29] Speaker 3: the league over thirty or forty pressures last year. He
[4:32] Speaker 3: finishes plays off and that's that's kind of been a
[4:34] Speaker 3: trait for him.
[4:35] Speaker 4: It is Brendon Thune who runs the trench Wolf a substack,
[4:39] Speaker 4: which is outstanding folkses on line plate. He tracks every
[4:42] Speaker 4: single pressure in the league and he starts to put
[4:45] Speaker 4: scores together for what is a high quality pressure a sack,
[4:48] Speaker 4: what's low quality, what's more coverage base, what's more scheme based,
[4:51] Speaker 4: And it really helps you to isolate out who is
[4:54] Speaker 4: winning one on one. Matt tubs over and over again.
[4:56] Speaker 4: They're doing it against great competition and they beating them
[4:58] Speaker 4: on backups. He puts together a sex which kind of
[5:00] Speaker 4: gives a point system to all those things I just mentioned,
[5:03] Speaker 4: and usually anything above a ten is outstanding. Anything that's
[5:06] Speaker 4: a fifteen is traditionally the mark for defensive player of
[5:09] Speaker 4: the year. Miles Garrett finished with a twenty one point
[5:12] Speaker 4: five sex goal last season, which is the best on record.
[5:15] Speaker 4: So even within that SEC record you just mentioned, all
[5:18] Speaker 4: the chips, all the extra help that the changing of
[5:20] Speaker 4: the entire game plan to get it with the amount
[5:23] Speaker 4: of attension that he got last seasons one of the
[5:25] Speaker 4: most ludicrous things I think we'll see covering the sport.
[5:28] Speaker 3: So we're projecting for twenty twenty six, and injuries have
[5:32] Speaker 3: to be a little bit of a factor, So that
[5:33] Speaker 3: does change my number two overall pick, and I'm going
[5:35] Speaker 3: to take Will Anderson.
[5:37] Speaker 1: He's gotten better every year.
[5:39] Speaker 3: I kind of wish I gave myself one so then
[5:42] Speaker 3: I could have just seen what you did with number two.
[5:46] Speaker 3: I just think it's a little underrated how much better
[5:49] Speaker 3: he got. Specifically last year. There was this idea that
[5:52] Speaker 3: Will Anderson somehow had a lower ceiling than maybe a
[5:56] Speaker 3: Garrett or a Michael Parson like and maybe that is true,
[5:59] Speaker 3: but just in terms of total pressures, like he went
[6:02] Speaker 3: from PFF from sixty eight to one hundred and two,
[6:05] Speaker 3: and like second and next gen like fourth in terms
[6:09] Speaker 3: of quick pressures. He's always been good against the run.
[6:13] Speaker 3: He started just forcing fumbles at a ridiculous rate. He's
[6:16] Speaker 3: second and defensive player of the year, And so I
[6:19] Speaker 3: thought about his importance to the Texans in general.
[6:23] Speaker 1: Look, they double team Daniel Hunter.
[6:24] Speaker 3: It's a lot too and it's a good spot to
[6:27] Speaker 3: be that he is going to be the Texans is
[6:29] Speaker 3: franchise Larry Fitzgerald like that. He's going to be the
[6:33] Speaker 3: most important guy in that franchise for like a decade.
[6:36] Speaker 3: And maybe, like Fitzgerald, will have a career where he's
[6:40] Speaker 3: usually the second or third best player in the league
[6:42] Speaker 3: at his position. But it's so consistent at doing that.
[6:46] Speaker 3: He's gotten better every year, so he could continue to
[6:48] Speaker 3: get better. Do you think that, Well, we'll see with
[6:51] Speaker 3: your your number three pick. It feels weird to take
[6:53] Speaker 3: him over Micah, but coming off the injuries that Micah has,
[6:56] Speaker 3: I feel fine about it.
[6:58] Speaker 4: I think it's hard for mteven getny Beta. I think
[7:00] Speaker 4: he's an unbelievable dominant player. To get any better, it
[7:02] Speaker 4: would be to go and break the sack record that
[7:04] Speaker 4: Miles Garrett just did. I think he might be the
[7:06] Speaker 4: most technically sound and impactful run defender in the league,
[7:09] Speaker 4: regardless of position. I don't think he's pretty good at
[7:11] Speaker 4: a run defender. I think he's the very best, and
[7:13] Speaker 4: I do love the For all the technical skill, all
[7:15] Speaker 4: the physical skill he has, he also brings his best
[7:17] Speaker 4: ball in the biggest spots. That really matters to me
[7:19] Speaker 4: for the ed Russian guys, when you go up against
[7:21] Speaker 4: the best competition, can you win one on one when
[7:23] Speaker 4: it's third and must have it for the season, You
[7:25] Speaker 4: get all the extra at tension. Can you bring it
[7:27] Speaker 4: over and over again? Sixty nine percent of his drives
[7:30] Speaker 4: of his sacks last season killed drives, So Danil does
[7:33] Speaker 4: get a lot of the attention. He's an unbelievable player
[7:35] Speaker 4: in his own right. But when it was closing time
[7:37] Speaker 4: for the best defense in football for last chunks of
[7:39] Speaker 4: the season, it was Will Anderson who took over. And
[7:42] Speaker 4: that's what you want in the kind of dominant one
[7:43] Speaker 4: on one passership.
[7:45] Speaker 3: Justice for Nick Tosario, you know, trader Nick. I mean
[7:49] Speaker 3: his drafts have aged pretty well and mine will too.
[7:53] Speaker 3: All right, you're up with number three.
[7:55] Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Mike. I can't believe he's on the
[7:57] Speaker 4: board at three. This is wonderful. I did think I'd
[7:58] Speaker 4: be able to do the Garrett and in double dip,
[8:01] Speaker 4: I would have taken Anderson third of role.
[8:02] Speaker 1: I'll take Mikeah Parsons.
[8:03] Speaker 4: You're not you didn't take him second purely because of
[8:06] Speaker 4: injury concerns.
[8:07] Speaker 1: That yeah, that was it. I mean he might miss
[8:09] Speaker 1: like five six games this year. I'll I'll take really Anderson.
[8:13] Speaker 3: I guess you know, the the activity here is a
[8:16] Speaker 3: little vague of what exactly we're ranging, but I'm thinking
[8:19] Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six. Yeah, I'd rather have a guy
[8:22] Speaker 3: that I think is going to be available. Freak me
[8:24] Speaker 3: out a little. When Adam Schefter said he might start
[8:26] Speaker 3: on the pup list.
[8:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, that is concerning. But when he is on the field,
[8:30] Speaker 4: there are very few forces like him. I do think
[8:33] Speaker 4: he's got some more versatility that Will Anderson would have.
[8:35] Speaker 4: I think if you're putting them side by side, the
[8:37] Speaker 4: fact you can move Mike Parsons around, you can just
[8:39] Speaker 4: get to different things structurally as a defense. Even last year,
[8:42] Speaker 4: the Packers were throwing out things that were just kind
[8:44] Speaker 4: of like designed to freak out offensive lines. That wasn't
[8:47] Speaker 4: even great theory or rationale behind it. But you can
[8:49] Speaker 4: get away with that stuff because he's such an unbelievable speeds,
[8:52] Speaker 4: a off the ball, unbelievable technician in his own right.
[8:55] Speaker 4: I just think is a one on one pass for
[8:57] Speaker 4: a shift you are having a rep for your life,
[9:00] Speaker 4: it would be Gyret that it would be Passon's. I
[9:02] Speaker 4: think its like reliability. He's just going to find a
[9:05] Speaker 4: way to get the jomp done.
[9:07] Speaker 3: He is the best defensive player I think to come
[9:11] Speaker 3: in the league since jj Watta. I always think about
[9:14] Speaker 3: just the era quote unquote that I've covered playing football,
[9:18] Speaker 3: and what would jj Watt would still be number one
[9:20] Speaker 3: for me as just the most impressive player in the
[9:23] Speaker 3: first let's say three or four seasons entering the league.
[9:26] Speaker 3: On defense end, Parsons would be two and nothing he
[9:29] Speaker 3: has done at any point would stop me, which makes
[9:32] Speaker 3: me wonder why did I wait to take him immediately?
[9:36] Speaker 1: Just the aggression.
[9:37] Speaker 3: I just love how every snap feels like the last
[9:40] Speaker 3: snap of his life somehow, even more than the other
[9:43] Speaker 3: guys at the top of this list, which is crazy
[9:45] Speaker 3: to say because a lot of them are all time players.
[9:47] Speaker 3: They are the best at what they do, and yet
[9:49] Speaker 3: he even seemed I don't know if he's trying harder,
[9:52] Speaker 3: but he somehow is just more of a maniac than
[9:55] Speaker 3: the rest of them, at least to me.
[9:56] Speaker 1: I agree with that.
[9:57] Speaker 4: I think he creates more consistent chaos and won the
[10:00] Speaker 4: league and that things just look like a mess in
[10:02] Speaker 4: the backfield by his presence. And with Gary, he just
[10:05] Speaker 4: will throw people aside, He'll dip rown someone, he'll flat
[10:08] Speaker 4: in the quote back. But I think, just like general,
[10:10] Speaker 4: an explosion and eruption of bodies just in his like
[10:14] Speaker 4: all bit, I think the passins has that different kind
[10:17] Speaker 4: of gid he can tap into more regularly.
[10:20] Speaker 1: So that's Tier one to me.
[10:22] Speaker 3: There is a drop off, and I think you could
[10:24] Speaker 3: take a number of different guys here in this next
[10:26] Speaker 3: year five or six. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a
[10:29] Speaker 3: guy that has an incredible stamina. It's Aiden Hutchinson, And
[10:33] Speaker 3: you said playing his best when it matters the most.
[10:36] Speaker 3: He had more pressures in the fourth quarters of games
[10:40] Speaker 3: last year than any player in the next gen stats era.
[10:44] Speaker 3: He was It was an incredible closer. He is a
[10:47] Speaker 3: little less efficient than some of like the three guys
[10:51] Speaker 3: that went ahead of him, but you could also look
[10:54] Speaker 3: at the amount of snaps that he plays as a plus,
[10:57] Speaker 3: you know, like he just never leaves the field, So yeah,
[11:00] Speaker 3: he's gonna he's gonna miss some stack tackles. I hate
[11:03] Speaker 3: even you know, picking knits with a guy like this,
[11:06] Speaker 3: Like the quick pressures, the time to pressure are just
[11:09] Speaker 3: like a little bit less. But he is also getting
[11:12] Speaker 3: a ton of attention. He faced the third most chips
[11:15] Speaker 3: of any edge in the league. And ultimately, like he
[11:20] Speaker 3: he is the cliche, he he is gonna like if
[11:23] Speaker 3: he is blocked initially, he really will keep going. And
[11:26] Speaker 3: so just the consistency, I found it a little easier
[11:30] Speaker 3: to knock a hole into the rest of this tier
[11:32] Speaker 3: that I wasn't feeling with Hutchinson.
[11:34] Speaker 1: So I feel good about him at four.
[11:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a He was the fourth guy
[11:38] Speaker 4: on my body. And he also carries probably the heaviest
[11:41] Speaker 4: pass rushing burden of any of these guys we've talked
[11:43] Speaker 4: about already. You mentioned just the volume of snaps, what's.
[11:46] Speaker 1: Required of him.
[11:47] Speaker 4: He's probably a little bit more one note than those
[11:50] Speaker 4: other three guys, I would say, And what he does
[11:52] Speaker 4: and it is a lot of eff and hustle and
[11:54] Speaker 4: so the pressure figures get juiced and some of the
[11:56] Speaker 4: closing stuff isn't there. He really does just demolish when
[11:59] Speaker 4: it's one who's at his level, off slightly below, he demolishes,
[12:03] Speaker 4: tackles one on one. When it's the really truly elite,
[12:05] Speaker 4: he can have some quiet weeks, I think in a
[12:07] Speaker 4: way that Parsons doesn't really have, or Anderson doesn't really have,
[12:11] Speaker 4: So that would be the one knock on him. I
[12:13] Speaker 4: think that would push him into a second tier. But
[12:15] Speaker 4: I think it's it's perfectly fair to have him at
[12:17] Speaker 4: kind of the top of that second tier.
[12:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, and he a lot put on his shoulders in Detroit,
[12:23] Speaker 3: just as like kind of almost the face of this era.
[12:26] Speaker 3: And for him to deliver as well as he has
[12:28] Speaker 3: like that, that counts for something too. In a very
[12:31] Speaker 3: similar way I think to Will Anderson, where it's just
[12:33] Speaker 3: like they were counting on him to be that dude
[12:36] Speaker 3: and then they actually delivered at that level. That is
[12:38] Speaker 3: that it's hard to find. I don't know where you're
[12:40] Speaker 3: going here at number five. This is to me the
[12:42] Speaker 3: first big question mark of the draft.
[12:44] Speaker 1: Neither do I.
[12:45] Speaker 4: We're all gonna find out together, isn't this fun. Now
[12:48] Speaker 4: this is where it gets tricky. It's like, do I
[12:50] Speaker 4: try and play the board some more? Do I just
[12:52] Speaker 4: go with my heart? I think I'm just gonna go
[12:53] Speaker 4: through the draft with my heart, not gonna let any
[12:55] Speaker 4: outside noise, and we're gonna stick to the board. I'm
[12:58] Speaker 4: gonna take Danil Hunter next mine too. What's he really
[13:02] Speaker 4: I don't think you can adequately capture in any of
[13:05] Speaker 4: the stats or figures exactly what Daniel Hunter brings the
[13:09] Speaker 4: game down and down out the level of ingenuity, the
[13:12] Speaker 4: level of craft. He's the guy who will maybe have
[13:15] Speaker 4: four reps against a backup poor tackle, where it's like,
[13:18] Speaker 4: is Danil Hunter on the field, then you'll put him
[13:20] Speaker 4: up against Tristan Worth. She put him up against Trent Williams,
[13:23] Speaker 4: and he makes them look foolish. There's just a level
[13:25] Speaker 4: of ingenuity and creativity with how he goes about it
[13:27] Speaker 4: in a way no one I have scouted over fifteen
[13:30] Speaker 4: years now has ever played the position the way he does.
[13:32] Speaker 4: He just makes things up on the fly. He has
[13:35] Speaker 4: the most outrageous body control of anyone. He's got unreal power,
[13:39] Speaker 4: so he just can go against any elite tackle in
[13:41] Speaker 4: the league. I think and on any given rep just
[13:43] Speaker 4: make them look foolish.
[13:45] Speaker 1: He is so good. This is how good he is. Ali.
[13:49] Speaker 1: He's thirty one years old. This year he signed.
[13:53] Speaker 3: A one million or one year, forty million dollar extension
[13:59] Speaker 3: into twenty two, twenty seven. He's already thirty one. It's
[14:02] Speaker 3: a forty million dollar extension for one year. And everyone
[14:05] Speaker 3: is just like, oh, yeah, well that's fine. Of course,
[14:07] Speaker 3: of course you do that. It's to Neel Hunter. He
[14:09] Speaker 3: has not shown any sign of decline. If anything, you
[14:13] Speaker 3: could argue like he was as good last year as
[14:17] Speaker 3: he has ever been there. There is no one quite
[14:20] Speaker 3: like him that that counted a little extra for me too,
[14:23] Speaker 3: just like the the wow factor of all those million
[14:26] Speaker 3: different moves that you have in him, just being that
[14:28] Speaker 3: freak that I give him a little edge just for
[14:30] Speaker 3: the entertainment value.
[14:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, my hot souls.
[14:33] Speaker 4: Whenever I watch The deal hunt in a way with
[14:35] Speaker 4: Nick Benito, I go one outstanding player and I understand
[14:39] Speaker 4: why he's so great, but I just don't get the
[14:40] Speaker 4: tingly feeling of mine isle of bone, and I watched
[14:43] Speaker 4: The deal Hunters like that could just be what I
[14:45] Speaker 4: do every Sunday. It's like there's no games on it's
[14:47] Speaker 4: bluring COVID again. Just get me the deal Hunter the clips.
[14:50] Speaker 4: I'll have a fun time.
[14:51] Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's the way they run
[14:53] Speaker 3: the defense or anything, but it says something that he
[14:57] Speaker 3: actually is double team more, you know, according to Next
[14:59] Speaker 3: Gen than Will Anderson even so fifth and total pressures. Uh,
[15:04] Speaker 3: He's just the man I first. I always think of
[15:07] Speaker 3: him first as the guy that John Gruden said on
[15:09] Speaker 3: Monday Night Football before he really broke out as a player,
[15:13] Speaker 3: that John Gruden made everyone feel weird on Twitter for
[15:16] Speaker 3: a night because he said, if I could have one
[15:18] Speaker 3: body in the world, that body would be a Daniel Hunters. Like,
[15:24] Speaker 3: who can argue? I think it is a good take.
[15:26] Speaker 3: Good take is a totally good take. All right, this
[15:29] Speaker 3: one's tough. I'm gonna take Nick Bosa. He's coming off
[15:33] Speaker 3: of a torn acl The only thing that worries me
[15:36] Speaker 3: is for the few games that he was out there
[15:38] Speaker 3: last year, I didn't think he was quite as good
[15:40] Speaker 3: as he was before.
[15:41] Speaker 1: But what a player he is.
[15:43] Speaker 3: I hate that him and Joey Bosa kind of get
[15:47] Speaker 3: mixed together there, you know, there's like the Trump stuff.
[15:50] Speaker 3: Now Bosa's had two torn ACLS, which is a little concerning,
[15:53] Speaker 3: and so you think they've both been injured. He is
[15:55] Speaker 3: not Joey Bosa, who unfortunately I think, I think has
[15:59] Speaker 3: had kind of a dissip.
[16:00] Speaker 1: Pointing overall career ARC.
[16:02] Speaker 3: I mean, this is a guy that's defensive Vergier a
[16:04] Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, and he's only turning twenty
[16:08] Speaker 3: nine this year, and I think of everyone left on
[16:11] Speaker 3: the board, he is actually the biggest problem that if
[16:15] Speaker 3: when other teams are going to have to game plan
[16:19] Speaker 3: for him.
[16:20] Speaker 1: If he's close to peak Bosa, then he is that
[16:23] Speaker 1: guy to me.
[16:24] Speaker 3: And he has come off a torn ACL before I
[16:26] Speaker 3: know it's you know, not easier the second time, but
[16:29] Speaker 3: what he came off it before, Ali, you would not
[16:31] Speaker 3: have known even in the slightest He came out actually
[16:34] Speaker 3: the first week off that ACL and had a monster game.
[16:37] Speaker 3: And so that's informing me taking Bosa next.
[16:40] Speaker 4: So you don't take Mike capas In's second overall because
[16:43] Speaker 4: of injury con sense, but you'll take bos Rough the
[16:45] Speaker 4: second ACL.
[16:46] Speaker 3: To well, he had it done earlier in the season. Parsons,
[16:51] Speaker 3: it was very specific of just like I thought, he's
[16:53] Speaker 3: I think he's gonna miss a chunk of this season,
[16:55] Speaker 3: and I don't think Bosa is, So it's a fair
[16:58] Speaker 3: criticism to make, though I.
[16:59] Speaker 4: Think it's really fair. I'm boast to say, off the
[17:01] Speaker 4: guy's left. If everyone's really rolling, who's the one you're
[17:04] Speaker 4: most concerned by? Would be Nick Bosa. My one concern
[17:07] Speaker 4: with the injury specifically. Yes, he's come back from it before.
[17:11] Speaker 4: I'm sure given his mindset, he's doing all you know,
[17:13] Speaker 4: wonderful stem cell stuff that's perfectly allowed, and we'll come
[17:16] Speaker 4: back and find shape. But as a kind of speed
[17:20] Speaker 4: bend Russia, which is what he primarily is, that gets
[17:23] Speaker 4: me a little bit concerned because those guys can really
[17:26] Speaker 4: start to tail off, and it may be tailing off
[17:27] Speaker 4: to a way like TJ. Watt has done. Right, It's
[17:30] Speaker 4: like the highest end reps are still the highest end reps.
[17:32] Speaker 4: They're really impactful, they get sex, they get fumbles, but
[17:35] Speaker 4: it's just like that consistent, dominant, down to down impact
[17:38] Speaker 4: the way he's been.
[17:39] Speaker 1: For the majority of his career. Okay, you have me,
[17:42] Speaker 1: You have me a little worried.
[17:43] Speaker 3: There were there were safer picks out there, for sure,
[17:46] Speaker 3: let's hear one of them.
[17:47] Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Nick Benito. Yeah, I'm not apologizing to anyone.
[17:52] Speaker 4: Nick doesn't have to tweet us this time. Is this
[17:54] Speaker 4: high enough to associate him. I'm not sure I took Nick.
[17:57] Speaker 3: Bosa over you, but it'll come after me, Harry.
[18:01] Speaker 4: He's not as well rounded as guys left on the
[18:04] Speaker 4: board and as anyone that's gone so far, but he
[18:07] Speaker 4: has the most lethal super skill available to any passers
[18:12] Speaker 4: from the league. And when we go through all these
[18:13] Speaker 4: draft assignments, and we go through hundreds of draft prospects
[18:15] Speaker 4: and we're looking for what is the one thing we
[18:17] Speaker 4: know kind of rises up to the next level of league,
[18:20] Speaker 4: It's just what is the get off? Like all the
[18:21] Speaker 4: great pastors in the league have great get offs. That's
[18:24] Speaker 4: how you can win. In the NFL. He has as
[18:26] Speaker 4: good to get off as anyone in pro football. It
[18:28] Speaker 4: was the second best league by ngs last season, but
[18:30] Speaker 4: the snap timing I think pushed it to a different level.
[18:33] Speaker 4: His just intuition of when the ball is coming out,
[18:36] Speaker 4: the two steps out quickness he's able to get paired
[18:38] Speaker 4: with those hops, I think is just outstanding.
[18:42] Speaker 1: And he's massively improved as a run defender.
[18:43] Speaker 4: He's still not as good as the best guys in
[18:46] Speaker 4: the league, but it's kind of irrelevant given the impact
[18:48] Speaker 4: he can actually make. And so you see someone like
[18:50] Speaker 4: David Bailey get drafted where he's drafted because a team
[18:53] Speaker 4: is chasing could we get Nick Benito? I think when
[18:56] Speaker 4: you see a play like that, go second of rolls
[18:58] Speaker 4: league kind of telling you if we can find a
[19:00] Speaker 4: player of that ill that tos is just a perennial
[19:02] Speaker 4: all pro type play.
[19:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, he was next on my board. It it probably
[19:06] Speaker 3: was unfair to let him go. The craziest thing about
[19:09] Speaker 3: last season for him, you know, he led the NFL
[19:12] Speaker 3: in quick pressure percentage. He had multiple pressures in every game.
[19:16] Speaker 3: Like the stats in terms of the getoff you said
[19:18] Speaker 3: it like I love it when the numbers from next
[19:20] Speaker 3: Gen just back up your eye test, Like he really
[19:22] Speaker 3: does have the best get off in the league. But
[19:25] Speaker 3: he did this by only being on the field for
[19:28] Speaker 3: fifty six percent of.
[19:30] Speaker 1: Dropbacks for the Broncos.
[19:31] Speaker 3: Doesn't that not even counting the rundowns when he that's
[19:34] Speaker 3: the reason he's off the field is he's not always
[19:36] Speaker 3: there on what our quote unquote traditional rundowns. So for
[19:40] Speaker 3: him to have that level of impact when he is
[19:43] Speaker 3: rotating a little more.
[19:45] Speaker 1: That was why I knocked him down a bit.
[19:46] Speaker 3: But I like to hear what you said there about
[19:49] Speaker 3: the run defense because I know that's really important to you.
[19:52] Speaker 3: In terms of the run defense, I do think he's
[19:54] Speaker 3: going to be the type of player that makes NFL
[19:57] Speaker 3: teams chase outliers find our Nick Benito when there's there's
[20:02] Speaker 3: it's gonna be very tough to find your Nick Benito.
[20:04] Speaker 4: Hey, if I was James gladsnow one of the young
[20:07] Speaker 4: guys who has the hoodie with the suit, I would
[20:08] Speaker 4: bound in olver Pulets like never mentioned Nick Benito. That's
[20:11] Speaker 4: that's not acceptable to us, because those hundreds of Slipperson
[20:14] Speaker 4: in the league who want as good as Nick Benito,
[20:16] Speaker 4: and those guys going the third round, fourth round, we
[20:18] Speaker 4: can trade them the deadline. We don't go Chason Nick
[20:20] Speaker 4: Benito in the top ten.
[20:22] Speaker 1: One of one.
[20:24] Speaker 3: Okay, you mentioned there might be guys that are more complete,
[20:27] Speaker 3: and I think I want to pain you here by
[20:29] Speaker 3: taking josh heinz Allen off the board here, just just
[20:32] Speaker 3: to do it all guy that's got to do it
[20:34] Speaker 3: at the top level. You know, if I'm gonna take
[20:37] Speaker 3: a risk with Bosa. I'm not building a team here,
[20:39] Speaker 3: then I want that sort of the opposite of Bosa.
[20:41] Speaker 3: I know exactly what I'm getting out of Josh heinz Allen.
[20:44] Speaker 3: He's a top ten guy every year. He was one
[20:46] Speaker 3: hundred pressure guy last year, a couple of seasons in
[20:50] Speaker 3: his career where he's also doing the top end stuff
[20:53] Speaker 3: where you know, if you're just talking about production doing
[20:56] Speaker 3: it quarterback hits plus plus sacks over thirty. But he's
[20:59] Speaker 3: a volume shooter, like he's out there every stap. He's
[21:03] Speaker 3: he's in next gen going to be over you know,
[21:05] Speaker 3: in the top five or six in terms of pressures.
[21:06] Speaker 3: And there was no one else on the Jaguars last
[21:08] Speaker 3: year doing anything. Trayvon Walker was hurt, didn't have his
[21:12] Speaker 3: best year, and for a second it looked like heines
[21:15] Speaker 3: Allen maybe wasn't at his normal level, and then he
[21:19] Speaker 3: finished the season really hot and it ended up kind
[21:23] Speaker 3: of making up for everything. And there's all these different
[21:26] Speaker 3: stats of how you're going to measure it, but when
[21:28] Speaker 3: you when you check out pass rush win rate Form ESPN,
[21:30] Speaker 3: one of the things I like are the guys who
[21:32] Speaker 3: are consistent and they've been doing it for like five
[21:34] Speaker 3: years and Josh Allen's and Josh Heines Allen's in the
[21:37] Speaker 3: same spot every year. He's somewhere between about twelve and
[21:40] Speaker 3: sixteen in pass rush win rate, which kind of matches
[21:43] Speaker 3: my eye test. But you combine that with the smarts
[21:45] Speaker 3: and a really good run defender, just everything that you
[21:48] Speaker 3: could want, and you kind of you know exactly who
[21:50] Speaker 3: Josh Heines Allen is every season.
[21:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, and off that top group, and I would put
[21:55] Speaker 4: him in that top group. He's the best, like pure
[21:58] Speaker 4: Masha of all of those guys where it's not like
[22:01] Speaker 4: Jared Verse where it's just kind of throwing guys out
[22:04] Speaker 4: the club down after down. But in terms of the
[22:06] Speaker 4: stunt game, the loop game, which of these guys is
[22:09] Speaker 4: willing to kind of throw their face into the fire
[22:11] Speaker 4: to go pick someone else to their teammate if you
[22:13] Speaker 4: go through, even like some Miles Garrett, that is not
[22:15] Speaker 4: Miles Garrett's highest strength. He's kind of waiting for his
[22:18] Speaker 4: turn on that stuff. Or he'll kind of slip around
[22:20] Speaker 4: as the looping guy, as the second man through, as
[22:23] Speaker 4: the first guy into the fire, go throw yourself into
[22:25] Speaker 4: two bodies, just creak havoc, get guys on different levels.
[22:28] Speaker 4: Let your teammate comes sweet behind you. No one throws
[22:30] Speaker 4: themselves into the fire like Josh heinz Allen, and so
[22:33] Speaker 4: to be in that kind of blue chip or right
[22:35] Speaker 4: near the blue chip tier and to be willing to
[22:37] Speaker 4: kind of subsue yourself to the scheme in that way,
[22:39] Speaker 4: it's not normal.
[22:40] Speaker 1: The guys do that.
[22:41] Speaker 4: Mike is probably the one who's the most willing to
[22:43] Speaker 4: go and.
[22:44] Speaker 1: Do that stuff.
[22:45] Speaker 4: But the rest of the list is guys who they
[22:46] Speaker 4: win one on one against the great players.
[22:48] Speaker 1: That's why they're great.
[22:49] Speaker 4: I think Josh heines Allen is a little bit more
[22:51] Speaker 4: on the team concept side, but he's willing to kind
[22:54] Speaker 4: of turn himself over to the team in a way
[22:57] Speaker 4: that a lot of the guys with his talent probably
[22:58] Speaker 4: wouldn't do.
[23:00] Speaker 3: You know, there's flash year players out there. I suspect
[23:02] Speaker 3: you're gonna take one of them right now. But Jack's
[23:05] Speaker 3: fans and Josh Einzellen, I think they're always looking for
[23:07] Speaker 3: the respect. I'm giving it to him with him going eighth,
[23:10] Speaker 3: what's number nine?
[23:11] Speaker 1: Who's number nine?
[23:12] Speaker 4: I'm gonna go this slightly off my board because you've
[23:15] Speaker 4: made me nervous with how You've built your board out,
[23:18] Speaker 4: and I'm going to take a bit of a maybe
[23:19] Speaker 4: not a swing, but I'm gonna hope this doesn't make
[23:22] Speaker 4: me look like a dummy.
[23:23] Speaker 1: In twelve months, I'm gonna tak Abdul Carter. Wow. Wow,
[23:28] Speaker 1: you made me.
[23:29] Speaker 3: I made you nervous with how I'm doing my bird well,
[23:31] Speaker 3: just taking guys, I like I thought I had Carter
[23:34] Speaker 3: exceptionally high, but I had him about four or four
[23:37] Speaker 3: or five more picks here the way.
[23:39] Speaker 1: So I got to reach great. That's good to know.
[23:43] Speaker 4: This is betting on the potential of the player, and
[23:47] Speaker 4: what we saw at the closing end of last season,
[23:50] Speaker 4: he has one of the best we'll ever see in
[23:54] Speaker 4: terms of time to pressure of any rookie, any player
[23:57] Speaker 4: in the league. And that's coming with a volume of
[24:00] Speaker 4: a ton of pressures too. So the innate skill is there.
[24:03] Speaker 4: He looks exactly the player I thought he would do
[24:05] Speaker 4: coming out of college. He still is not in any
[24:08] Speaker 4: way to me piecing it together. I still think it's
[24:10] Speaker 4: pure instinct and it's pure athleticism, and there's such a
[24:13] Speaker 4: lack of refinement at times it's almost nauseating because he's
[24:16] Speaker 4: so gifted When you're watching against Larry Tunsell, he'll hit
[24:20] Speaker 4: Larry tuns with two things you've never seen before. It
[24:22] Speaker 4: remind you a little bit of the Nil Hunter, where
[24:23] Speaker 4: it's like, I don't think he quite knew what he
[24:25] Speaker 4: was doing there. It's kind of a heavy than a chop,
[24:27] Speaker 4: then a spin move. Somehow he's cleared the distance. Tunsl's
[24:29] Speaker 4: got no idea what's happening. Then it's just nothing, nothing
[24:33] Speaker 4: rep after rep. But if you look at kind of
[24:35] Speaker 4: the volume production with what the high end reps are,
[24:39] Speaker 4: if any kind of switch goes on or there's even
[24:41] Speaker 4: any kind of improvement he's producing at the level he
[24:43] Speaker 4: is now such a raw player, which is a little
[24:45] Speaker 4: like when Hunter came into the league. It's only going
[24:48] Speaker 4: to take a tiny little switch to kind of get
[24:52] Speaker 4: into the next tier. I think of being a truly
[24:55] Speaker 4: dominant one on one. We have no idea what we're
[24:58] Speaker 4: dealing with here. As an offense, it it's.
[25:00] Speaker 3: Really not even as bold as I made it out
[25:03] Speaker 3: to be. I keep mentioning quick pressures. So quick pressures
[25:06] Speaker 3: according to next ten stats, defined by two point five
[25:09] Speaker 3: seconds or less. Abdull Carter as a rookie, you mentioned
[25:13] Speaker 3: you know the most, you know, for rookie, he had
[25:15] Speaker 3: the most in the NFL, like he had he.
[25:17] Speaker 1: Had more than Micah, He had more than literally everyone.
[25:20] Speaker 3: There was only three games by any players all season
[25:25] Speaker 3: where someone had seven quick pressures in a game, which
[25:27] Speaker 3: is basically like I have totally taken over this game.
[25:30] Speaker 1: Two of those three games were by Carter.
[25:33] Speaker 3: The other one was by Micah not not surprisingly he
[25:36] Speaker 3: was that good and he needs to be able to finish.
[25:39] Speaker 3: But you kind of talked about guys who get you.
[25:41] Speaker 1: A little tingly. I got him.
[25:44] Speaker 3: I mean, Carter is that guy who you just watch
[25:47] Speaker 3: him on tams just like people don't move like that.
[25:50] Speaker 1: That is just rare.
[25:51] Speaker 4: Yeah, he moves differently that the finishing is the main thing,
[25:54] Speaker 4: and the finishing was the thing coming out of college
[25:56] Speaker 4: that his contact balance is pretty poll. I don't think
[25:58] Speaker 4: he's that flexible in the ankles. When anythone touches him,
[26:01] Speaker 4: he goes down. And it often happens when as he's
[26:03] Speaker 4: kind of clearing the tackle, if he gets like a
[26:06] Speaker 4: little nudge on the way through, he does sits the floor.
[26:08] Speaker 4: So I don't know how a team's gonna work around that.
[26:10] Speaker 4: Is that flexibility is at lower body strength. There are
[26:12] Speaker 4: two should be monster sex on Jalen Hurts when they
[26:16] Speaker 4: played against Philadelphia, where he gets the lightest touch and
[26:19] Speaker 4: force the floor after putting together something you've never seen
[26:21] Speaker 4: someone do before. Able to get away around one is
[26:24] Speaker 4: against guard. One's against the tackle. So the kind of
[26:27] Speaker 4: like infase stuff and the early porsch that reps up
[26:30] Speaker 4: is absolutely mind blowing. The talent is so off the charts,
[26:33] Speaker 4: but he does have to finish, and I think part
[26:35] Speaker 4: of it is that the contact balance I mentioned, and
[26:37] Speaker 4: he also does say I think needs to add some
[26:39] Speaker 4: more weight and have a little bit more of a
[26:41] Speaker 4: speed power threat. All the great guys that aren't Benito
[26:44] Speaker 4: that we've talked about so far have some kind of
[26:46] Speaker 4: speed power threat, and Carter wants to play that the
[26:49] Speaker 4: crafty heavy movement game because he just moves differently to
[26:52] Speaker 4: everyone else. But even danil Hunter, who is built in
[26:55] Speaker 4: that mold of I can outthink you. You'll never be
[26:57] Speaker 4: able to guess what I'm doing, can just sit on
[27:00] Speaker 4: how off the three drives if he wants to and
[27:02] Speaker 4: drive you back to the Quotebuck.
[27:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, he also led the entire NFL and in time
[27:06] Speaker 3: to pressure, so it felt like partially a coaching or
[27:10] Speaker 3: not connecting with his coaching staff thing last year. Definitely
[27:13] Speaker 3: some maturity issues based on the reporting. I mean that's something.
[27:18] Speaker 3: It happens at this position, happens at every position, but
[27:20] Speaker 3: this position seems to over index a little bit, where
[27:23] Speaker 3: like that rookie year. Okay, like we've seen it in
[27:25] Speaker 3: New York before. It wouldn't shock me at all for
[27:27] Speaker 3: him to totally lock in. I like that pick. I
[27:30] Speaker 3: also like that you left me Max Crosby. See I'm
[27:32] Speaker 3: getting unpredictable here because I was concerned about the injuries
[27:36] Speaker 3: at the top.
[27:37] Speaker 1: The surgery is a concern, and some of the.
[27:42] Speaker 3: Overall numbers are a little concerning when it comes to
[27:45] Speaker 3: Max Crosby.
[27:46] Speaker 1: Not in the top forty.
[27:50] Speaker 3: I think it was in total pressures, which is crazy
[27:52] Speaker 3: last year like sub fifty five pressures on PFF, which
[27:56] Speaker 3: is more generous.
[27:57] Speaker 1: And look, he is getting chipped all the time.
[28:00] Speaker 3: He is right there with the top players in the
[28:02] Speaker 3: league in terms of how much he's getting chipped. And
[28:04] Speaker 3: it was partly because there was less opportunities. Not only
[28:07] Speaker 3: were the Raiders never ahead, but he didn't play the
[28:10] Speaker 3: last few games. There was possibly a little less juice
[28:14] Speaker 3: at times. I think that is fair, like the time
[28:17] Speaker 3: to pressure. I'm giving some of the negatives, but still
[28:21] Speaker 3: a total beast in terms of the running game, still
[28:25] Speaker 3: a maniac. I still think gets all the respect as
[28:28] Speaker 3: he should from the players that he goes against. And
[28:32] Speaker 3: I take that into account. And so I am willing
[28:35] Speaker 3: to look at last year a little bit of him
[28:37] Speaker 3: playing through that injury and hoping him coming off the
[28:41] Speaker 3: injury that it can be improved. And it's Max freaking Crosby.
[28:46] Speaker 3: I just didn't want him to fall out of the
[28:47] Speaker 3: top ten.
[28:48] Speaker 4: No, I agree that that was the guy who was
[28:50] Speaker 4: going to take He was much higher in the bullet
[28:51] Speaker 4: than I had collective, but I didn't want to miss
[28:53] Speaker 4: out on him. If this was a three year project,
[28:55] Speaker 4: I would be a little bit concerned about. Okay, maybe
[28:58] Speaker 4: we've seen the pee can run the kind of the
[29:00] Speaker 4: steady part of the decline here, but even the high
[29:02] Speaker 4: end ed rushes are able to sustain some part of
[29:04] Speaker 4: the decline if they're not just pure speed off the
[29:07] Speaker 4: ball type players, which he's not. And I certainly don't
[29:10] Speaker 4: want to go up against a pissed off Max Crosby.
[29:11] Speaker 4: So I'm gonna guess that he's going to come back
[29:14] Speaker 4: all kinds of fury, all kinds of blurriiness. If he's
[29:17] Speaker 4: still on the Raiders, which I'm guessing he's gonna be
[29:19] Speaker 4: at this point, they've so much improved the group around him,
[29:21] Speaker 4: I think the numbers will skyrocket compared to what they
[29:24] Speaker 4: were last year, even if he's just the same player,
[29:26] Speaker 4: even does take some kind of step back. It's been
[29:28] Speaker 4: so barren for so long, and was so barren last season.
[29:31] Speaker 4: He's carrying as such a heavy burden that it's only
[29:35] Speaker 4: naturally at some point we're going to see some kind
[29:37] Speaker 4: of slip in the figures. And I on think he
[29:38] Speaker 4: looks like quite the same burst athlete off the ball
[29:42] Speaker 4: as two seasons ago. But maybe if he can have
[29:45] Speaker 4: an offseason getting some degree of nine healthiness, we could
[29:51] Speaker 4: maybe see that that player, he makes it feel something.
[29:53] Speaker 1: Though.
[29:53] Speaker 3: Right in the in the Football Loins, there's a great article,
[29:58] Speaker 3: as we had to break, might be outside the realm
[30:01] Speaker 3: of most of the people listening here, but it's by
[30:04] Speaker 3: Alina Fiddelina about her husband, Gael Monfisz, who's about to
[30:07] Speaker 3: retire as a tennis player, and the article. It's one
[30:09] Speaker 3: of the best pieces of sports writing. I saw a
[30:11] Speaker 3: year is essentially about, like you know, champions come and go.
[30:15] Speaker 3: There's only so many different athletes that make you feel something.
[30:18] Speaker 3: And it's very germane to what we were talking about.
[30:21] Speaker 3: And she was saying that about her husband. I think
[30:25] Speaker 3: Raiders fans could say that about Max Crosby. Certainly maybe
[30:28] Speaker 3: everyone else watching over the last few years. Let's take
[30:31] Speaker 3: a break. We got our top ten done and we'll
[30:33] Speaker 3: be back with the rest of the Edge Rusher list
[30:46] Speaker 3: back on NFL Daily. Ally Connelly is up next with
[30:48] Speaker 3: the number eleven overall pick. When they do the war
[30:52] Speaker 3: Room like documentary about your process, Berties are telling me,
[30:58] Speaker 3: I mean you were considering Abdul Carter is the number four?
[31:00] Speaker 1: That would have been wild I was my inside.
[31:03] Speaker 4: The war room would look like one of the Ryan
[31:04] Speaker 4: Pauls videos where he thinks he snagged a great thing
[31:07] Speaker 4: and he's high fiving the team and all the other
[31:09] Speaker 4: GM's just giggling about him on the phone to one another.
[31:11] Speaker 3: It's like it's like the Rams when the Patriots took
[31:15] Speaker 3: Cold Strange.
[31:16] Speaker 1: That fat view. Let's go number eleven.
[31:19] Speaker 3: No, I think I think you put Carter out a
[31:20] Speaker 3: good spot and never be hesitant to make a bold
[31:22] Speaker 3: pick because it's only gonna be good for the NFL
[31:24] Speaker 3: Daily thirty two brand.
[31:26] Speaker 4: Okay, I'm in a tough spot here because I think
[31:28] Speaker 4: there's about eight names in consideration. I'm just gonna take TJ.
[31:32] Speaker 4: Watt the Steelers. I don't feel great about it. I
[31:37] Speaker 4: think the decline is really real. I think when you
[31:40] Speaker 4: get a you know, he's such a high profile player
[31:44] Speaker 4: and the big plays are so impactful, but he has
[31:46] Speaker 4: just become such a boom or buss player, reliant on
[31:49] Speaker 4: one thing from one alignment, and he still creates havoc
[31:52] Speaker 4: and he can still create chaos. But when you start
[31:54] Speaker 4: see a player like that decline, I do get worried
[31:57] Speaker 4: that the impact just gets deadened and deadened. And there's
[31:59] Speaker 4: an argument of the three guys on his team that
[32:03] Speaker 4: play his role, you maybe get more versatility from the
[32:06] Speaker 4: other two guys, and one is certainly more ascendant than
[32:08] Speaker 4: I think where TJ. Watt is going, but it is
[32:11] Speaker 4: very best. I think he sells game takeover potential, and
[32:15] Speaker 4: I'm just thinking if you had a slay of Penny Soul,
[32:18] Speaker 4: Tristan Wurfs, Trent Williams, and you're going through the names,
[32:22] Speaker 4: who do you think could give those guys a tough time?
[32:24] Speaker 4: I would still even though it's one move and everyone
[32:26] Speaker 4: knows it's coming and it's just an outside dip under
[32:29] Speaker 4: the shoulder, burst the backfield as quickly as possible, that
[32:32] Speaker 4: he is probably the guy who could get you. That
[32:34] Speaker 4: must have it the downsack ahead of some of the
[32:37] Speaker 4: other guys that had in consideration.
[32:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, I only had We've stuck to my board pretty closely.
[32:42] Speaker 3: He was going to be only one other player was
[32:45] Speaker 3: ahead of him that hasn't been taken. But if you
[32:47] Speaker 3: want the profile, I misspoke when I said Max Crosby
[32:50] Speaker 3: was not in the top forty pressures. Don't be mad
[32:53] Speaker 3: at me, Max, I'm not like a sent from Eric
[32:56] Speaker 3: to Costa to drive your value down or anything. He
[32:58] Speaker 3: was not in the top twenty in pressures I was
[33:00] Speaker 3: thinking of that was not in the top forty in
[33:02] Speaker 3: total pressures, and so yeah, the question is kind of
[33:05] Speaker 3: how steep the drop off was. Now he is getting
[33:08] Speaker 3: doubled and chipped more. I mentioned how it was Micah
[33:11] Speaker 3: and Garrett at the top two in the league. What
[33:14] Speaker 3: was still third so he is getting chipped all the time,
[33:18] Speaker 3: as much as anyone actually since twenty eighteen, which is
[33:21] Speaker 3: a crazy stat it is of pure chips.
[33:23] Speaker 4: It's partly because of what his style is, which is
[33:26] Speaker 4: a line as wide as possible and you just dip
[33:29] Speaker 4: under the outside so that the chip becomes more effective
[33:32] Speaker 4: against that kind of player. Whereas if Micah Pastons you've
[33:34] Speaker 4: got the stab for outside, you could slash back inside,
[33:37] Speaker 4: it's not quite as effective as you just know the
[33:40] Speaker 4: angle of attack on every single rep and it just
[33:42] Speaker 4: will he beat me off the ball or not?
[33:43] Speaker 1: Does he time the snap well in a fall?
[33:45] Speaker 4: Not?
[33:45] Speaker 1: And so for a guy like TJ.
[33:47] Speaker 4: Watts, similar to Nick Benito, you really have to crush
[33:50] Speaker 4: people in the quick pressure world and the high quality
[33:53] Speaker 4: sack and high quality pressure world, there's not going to
[33:56] Speaker 4: be a huge volume of total pressure. I think is
[33:58] Speaker 4: his career kind of unless he wants to kind of
[34:01] Speaker 4: transform and redefine his game. I have a hard time
[34:04] Speaker 4: seeing it, frankly, this stage of his career. He's played
[34:06] Speaker 4: this way now for so long, it's been so effective,
[34:09] Speaker 4: but when the quick pressure is full below him being
[34:11] Speaker 4: one of the top three guys, top four guys, in
[34:13] Speaker 4: the league, which is where he just lives that as
[34:16] Speaker 4: a massive compromising effect. I think on the rest of
[34:18] Speaker 4: the defense is not good enough him to have these
[34:20] Speaker 4: kind of second surge pressures that are kind of extended
[34:25] Speaker 4: because his impact comes immediately off the snap or it's
[34:27] Speaker 4: not really fell all that much.
[34:29] Speaker 3: I think the coaching change will help him, just because
[34:31] Speaker 3: I don't think it could be worse than it was
[34:33] Speaker 3: last year where he's just so static, and I think
[34:37] Speaker 3: they could help him out and help the other two
[34:39] Speaker 3: guys who are going to be taken in this draft,
[34:40] Speaker 3: Herbig and high Smith out by you know, moving, rotating more.
[34:45] Speaker 3: But the PFF grades, which are certainly not perfect, I
[34:49] Speaker 3: think they're better at different positions than others.
[34:51] Speaker 1: But if you're a TJ. Watt fan, you've.
[34:53] Speaker 3: Always seen these as his were, you know, outstanding off
[34:57] Speaker 3: the charts. You know, ninety pass rush, ninety, you know
[35:00] Speaker 3: run grade every year as recently as twenty twenty four,
[35:04] Speaker 3: and last year he was at seventy five and seventy
[35:07] Speaker 3: four for PFF and it was completely different than they're
[35:09] Speaker 3: grading really for the rest of the time TJ. Watt
[35:11] Speaker 3: was in the league. So he's opening up stuff for
[35:13] Speaker 3: other guys. I don't think that's fair in terms of
[35:15] Speaker 3: the run defense, even if you just look at the
[35:17] Speaker 3: numbers of like when you ran to TJ. Wattside and
[35:19] Speaker 3: you ran to the other side, it was much worse
[35:21] Speaker 3: on TJ.
[35:21] Speaker 1: Watside. I think he's still great there.
[35:24] Speaker 3: And I just wonder about that that contract thirty two
[35:27] Speaker 3: million dollars fully guaranteed next year.
[35:30] Speaker 1: You don't see.
[35:30] Speaker 3: Contracts like that too often. It's very NBA contract like
[35:34] Speaker 3: where you could see him getting traded after this.
[35:36] Speaker 4: Well, you also don't see a team hiring a guy
[35:38] Speaker 4: because he like likes local area even though he's been
[35:41] Speaker 4: out the league. Like, no one runs a team the way.
[35:44] Speaker 4: You don't see people every day. You gotta draft some
[35:46] Speaker 4: one because they played the local arial that help knows
[35:49] Speaker 4: the coach like that.
[35:49] Speaker 1: That's just they run differently to everyone else.
[35:52] Speaker 3: On one hand, I'm critical because I don't think it's
[35:54] Speaker 3: a smart way to run your team. On the other hand,
[35:57] Speaker 3: it is the type of contract that like you get
[35:59] Speaker 3: in the NBA because you kind of get in the
[36:01] Speaker 3: NBA for what you've done in the past, like you
[36:03] Speaker 3: get rewarded, and TJ. Wat has done all that for
[36:06] Speaker 3: the Steelers, So I actually do get it. He's rewarded
[36:10] Speaker 3: with a gold jacket like the contract.
[36:13] Speaker 1: I get it.
[36:15] Speaker 3: Jared Versus is going to get a monster contract pretty soon.
[36:17] Speaker 3: He's my pick. He is a very particular brand. We
[36:21] Speaker 3: kind of mentioned people are looking for their Benitos. I
[36:23] Speaker 3: think people are looking for their Jared Versus because you
[36:26] Speaker 3: can find players like that. Ish just absolutely rugged, blowing
[36:35] Speaker 3: up the play. If if you want to chart miss tackles,
[36:39] Speaker 3: he is going to be up there. But part of
[36:42] Speaker 3: the reason he misses so many tackles is he's just
[36:45] Speaker 3: back there and yeah, if he could finish the place,
[36:47] Speaker 3: he would be one of the first four guys taken.
[36:50] Speaker 1: And that's why he's not.
[36:52] Speaker 3: His total pressures according to PFF, is at one nine
[36:56] Speaker 3: for two years. I mean it's just for Paster. They
[37:00] Speaker 3: count the playoff games too, so he's getting a bonus.
[37:02] Speaker 3: But you talked about playing well when it matters. He
[37:06] Speaker 3: killed Seattle last year. He was great in those games
[37:08] Speaker 3: when Byron Young kind of disappeared. He had seven quarterback
[37:12] Speaker 3: hits in the playoffs total. He helped close out that
[37:15] Speaker 3: Bears game. If you remember well, he showed up in
[37:17] Speaker 3: both pressure plays. I don't know if he improved in
[37:21] Speaker 3: his second season, but he didn't really step back. I'm
[37:25] Speaker 3: curious what you think. Did you notice the difference between
[37:27] Speaker 3: him year one year two was just more of the same.
[37:30] Speaker 1: No, I think he is who he is.
[37:32] Speaker 4: It's really really really rare for speed to power Russia,
[37:36] Speaker 4: which is what he is. It's all just sit on
[37:38] Speaker 4: the bull rush. I can kind of big boy everyone.
[37:40] Speaker 4: It's really rare for those guys to go from college
[37:42] Speaker 4: and not actually carry over to the league. But you
[37:44] Speaker 4: all just biggest, stronger than everyone else, and even the
[37:46] Speaker 4: great ones you mentioned the Seattle game, if you go
[37:48] Speaker 4: up against a Blukestall Chil's cross, both those guys struggled
[37:51] Speaker 4: with a straight power through that chest. He's the best
[37:53] Speaker 4: pure power pass Russia in the league. And the thing
[37:57] Speaker 4: I think with him is I'm kind of interested you
[37:59] Speaker 4: had him in this Stay in Vain because I think
[38:00] Speaker 4: some people would maybe have him higher because the statsu
[38:03] Speaker 4: are off the charts and the best plays are just
[38:05] Speaker 4: throwing Tristan Worth's to the floor, which you just never
[38:08] Speaker 4: see against anyone else that Tristan Worth's plays against Jordan
[38:11] Speaker 4: Mylot has hit the deck against this guy. He's six'
[38:13] Speaker 4: nine and you, know almost four hundred. Pounds that doesn't
[38:16] Speaker 4: happen with anyone else. Where he can just get under
[38:18] Speaker 4: your pad level and throw you. Around SO i do
[38:21] Speaker 4: think people see that those flash plays and maybe push
[38:24] Speaker 4: him close towards the top, eight maybe even the top.
[38:27] Speaker 4: SIX i think that that's that the total pressure. Numbers
[38:31] Speaker 4: the way those are, charted the power rushes end up
[38:34] Speaker 4: encroaching in the space the quarterback gets. Charts as a,
[38:36] Speaker 4: pressure it's not always that disruptive to the. Quarterback they
[38:40] Speaker 4: can slip and navigate around. It as oppos a guy
[38:42] Speaker 4: who can win inside, outside it's a flash of color,
[38:45] Speaker 4: inside you've got to bail out the. Pocket SO i
[38:47] Speaker 4: don't think his pressures are quite as impactful as everyone
[38:50] Speaker 4: else's pressures all the. Time but he has more knockout
[38:53] Speaker 4: shots than anyone else in the. League And i'm telling,
[38:54] Speaker 4: you The colts never ever want to see his face.
[38:57] Speaker 4: Again Tanner bortalini never wants to see this guy in his.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Life he.
[39:00] Speaker 4: HAS i thole the three most holy pass rushes of last,
[39:04] Speaker 4: season and they all came in The colts, game and
[39:07] Speaker 4: two of them were against ten Of boltelini uh that's.
[39:10] Speaker 3: Incredible it's the second time this week That Tanner berdolini
[39:13] Speaker 3: has come up for being on the wrong side of
[39:15] Speaker 3: a pass.
[39:16] Speaker 1: RUSH i brought him up Against Jordan phillips of The.
[39:19] Speaker 3: Dolphins Jared verus might be the guy where the number
[39:22] Speaker 3: of pressures BETWEEN pff and Next gen stats is the
[39:25] Speaker 3: biggest because OF i think it's what you're, Saying and,
[39:28] Speaker 3: yeah that's not why he's. Higher but, again if it's my,
[39:31] Speaker 3: TEAM i love pure power. Rushers i've always Loved, Jadavian,
[39:36] Speaker 3: LIKE i love that. Style it's fun to watch, personally and,
[39:40] Speaker 3: yeah and it works in. Tandem but, yeah and there
[39:43] Speaker 3: can only be a couple Of parsons and he fits everywhere.
[39:46] Speaker 4: Else, yeah you really can't win a championship without one of. Them,
[39:49] Speaker 4: like it's great to have the slinky guys who can
[39:51] Speaker 4: do the bouncy still fall bend around the. Edge you
[39:53] Speaker 4: go through all the championship, teams they all have at
[39:54] Speaker 4: least one of these. Guys, well they make up for
[39:56] Speaker 4: it with two great ones on the. Inside every team
[39:58] Speaker 4: needs an outc To, russia you can just kind of
[40:01] Speaker 4: demolish the pocket in one clean. Blow AND i Think
[40:05] Speaker 4: verse right now is kind of The apex predator of
[40:07] Speaker 4: the Power. Rushes here's another guy where if you go chasing,
[40:10] Speaker 4: that if you go back to His Florida state film
[40:13] Speaker 4: and you see anything similar and you.
[40:14] Speaker 1: Say, okay we want to get one of those.
[40:15] Speaker 4: Guys it's just really tough to come up to the
[40:18] Speaker 4: league and be as strong and impactful As jared versus
[40:21] Speaker 4: just a couple of years into his.
[40:22] Speaker 3: Career maybe not not as. Versatile but is there a
[40:26] Speaker 3: little bit Of James harrison to?
[40:28] Speaker 1: Him one of my all time favorite.
[40:30] Speaker 4: Players verse might have a deeper bag honestly Than James.
[40:34] Speaker 4: Harrison but, yeah in terms of you go up against
[40:37] Speaker 4: A hall Of fame left tackle and you just kind
[40:38] Speaker 4: of dump truck, him it's almost impossible to.
[40:40] Speaker 1: Do harrison could do, that And verse can do.
[40:42] Speaker 3: That that's what the normy, is like, me like just
[40:44] Speaker 3: just some guy who's going to create a car.
[40:46] Speaker 1: Crash all, right you're. UP i will Take Trey.
[40:51] Speaker 4: Hendrickson, Okay i'm betting on the bounce back and betting
[40:55] Speaker 4: in that defensive environment it will kind of help the
[40:58] Speaker 4: elements of his game that he has. SHINE i do
[41:00] Speaker 4: think he's a little bit craftier then he's often given
[41:03] Speaker 4: credit for us more of the swooping type. Passerstraight do
[41:05] Speaker 4: you think he's got more inside out. VERSATILITY i think
[41:08] Speaker 4: they're gonna move him around more than he did At,
[41:10] Speaker 4: cincinnati put him over some, guards let him beat up
[41:13] Speaker 4: on people. Inside So i'm gonna bet With Jesse minta
[41:16] Speaker 4: with a different defensive environment getting him into these two
[41:19] Speaker 4: on one conflicts where guys on show they're supposed to
[41:21] Speaker 4: be blocking and giving him more of a free get
[41:23] Speaker 4: off The we'll, see at least numbers, wise a return
[41:26] Speaker 4: to a couple of years.
[41:27] Speaker 1: Ago he's fully.
[41:28] Speaker 3: Healthy, yeah he's getting up there in, years BUT i
[41:31] Speaker 3: think it's a great. Fit what do you think about
[41:34] Speaker 3: the run defense? Accusations you, KNOW.
[41:38] Speaker 1: I think that.
[41:38] Speaker 4: ACCURATE i think he's not, impactful AND i think he
[41:42] Speaker 4: asks out far too much from my lik.
[41:43] Speaker 3: Hmm, okay all, Right Trey hendrickson, there and he deserved
[41:48] Speaker 3: to go a little bit out of, sight out of. Mind, whereas,
[41:51] Speaker 3: yeah if if he had played even at the end
[41:54] Speaker 3: of last season for six or seven, GAMES i probably
[41:56] Speaker 3: would have probably would have already taken, Him but that didn't.
[41:59] Speaker 3: HAPPEN a, Right let's start taking guys JUST i don't
[42:02] Speaker 3: want you to have nice.
[42:03] Speaker 1: THINGS i am gonna Take Nick krvic, now let's go for.
[42:05] Speaker 3: IT i already spent the whole segment on him earlier this,
[42:08] Speaker 3: week So i'm not gonna repeat. Myself but you lead pass,
[42:13] Speaker 3: rush Win ray and back to back. SEASONS i think
[42:17] Speaker 3: he is a pretty complete, player AND.
[42:19] Speaker 1: I AM i. CRAZY i think he can handle.
[42:22] Speaker 3: More and you know they've they were only using him
[42:23] Speaker 3: for about twenty five thirty snaps a game towards the
[42:26] Speaker 3: end of last. Year BUT i see no reason why
[42:29] Speaker 3: he can't play more than.
[42:30] Speaker 1: That what do you think?
[42:31] Speaker 4: Now the only consume will be some of the run defense,
[42:34] Speaker 4: stuff and IT'S i don't think it's his. Fault why
[42:37] Speaker 4: that's the. Case it's usually if High smith isn't in the.
[42:40] Speaker 4: Game Hei smith off sets a lot of that concerns
[42:43] Speaker 4: just structly in how they kind of set up to
[42:44] Speaker 4: fit against the. RUN i think it's really hard to
[42:47] Speaker 4: get away With herbie gona walk together on the field
[42:49] Speaker 4: on rundowns because they both do the same, stuff which is.
[42:52] Speaker 4: Gamble we're gonna back door, Everything we're gonna try and
[42:54] Speaker 4: shoot everything off the. Snap we hate to try and false.
[42:56] Speaker 4: Fullmals we hate to create. Chaos it's just impossible to
[42:59] Speaker 4: build a w with two guys kind of ripping into
[43:01] Speaker 4: the backfield off the. Snap and High smith is such an,
[43:03] Speaker 4: intelligent outstanding run defender that you need to have him
[43:06] Speaker 4: on the field on those. Downs and so then it,
[43:08] Speaker 4: becomes well we butt a situational passers are on the
[43:11] Speaker 4: field or do we BUTT. Tj watt in the? FIELD
[43:13] Speaker 4: i think that's the difficulty they've had for, many many.
[43:15] Speaker 4: Seasons he is a sensational one on one. Passer, Shit
[43:19] Speaker 4: his get off is as good as anyone in The leak,
[43:21] Speaker 4: ben as good as anyone in The leak spin, move
[43:22] Speaker 4: as good as anyone in the. League if he played
[43:24] Speaker 4: for any of the, franchise he would be a walking
[43:27] Speaker 4: one on one killer who would be this household name
[43:29] Speaker 4: Of revere or at least Of. Reverence but he's. Not
[43:33] Speaker 4: because he plays The Pittsburgh. Steels they refuse to do
[43:35] Speaker 4: any kind of creative stuff with their defensive. Front they've
[43:38] Speaker 4: got the Old, reliables their High smiths really really.
[43:40] Speaker 1: GOOD.
[43:40] Speaker 4: Tj watt has been sensational for his entire career that
[43:43] Speaker 4: it's just been hard for them to get him on
[43:45] Speaker 4: the field as much he deserves to.
[43:46] Speaker 3: Be, yeah it's funny when you try to think of
[43:48] Speaker 3: coms For herbig just as a pure ball of.
[43:51] Speaker 1: FIRE i, MEAN.
[43:52] Speaker 3: Tj watt's not a bad. One they're good at drafting
[43:54] Speaker 3: him there In. Pittsburgh AND i think there's a lot
[43:57] Speaker 3: of People i'm sure you know this, too that share
[44:01] Speaker 3: your opinion On herbig around the. League and So i'm
[44:03] Speaker 3: curious what kind of how he handles this contract, situation
[44:07] Speaker 3: because he does not need to settle for any discount
[44:11] Speaker 3: for The, steelers but then you have to push it
[44:14] Speaker 3: to the franchise tag, potentially and just because if he
[44:17] Speaker 3: actually could get out, there if they were dumb enough
[44:19] Speaker 3: to make that. Happen you, know he you know, preview
[44:23] Speaker 3: he's number one on my overall, list and he's getting
[44:25] Speaker 3: a wild number Whatever Jalen phillips, go and then some
[44:29] Speaker 3: by a good, AMOUNT i.
[44:30] Speaker 4: THINK i, Mean i've been crying out for teams to
[44:32] Speaker 4: trade for him. Forever if these guys aren't going to use,
[44:34] Speaker 4: him they're gonna value him as a thirty five percent
[44:36] Speaker 4: of the snap type player going off on.
[44:37] Speaker 1: Them a second round.
[44:38] Speaker 4: Pick they'd give him up and he would be an
[44:39] Speaker 4: immediate impactful player for almost any team in the.
[44:42] Speaker 3: LEAGUE i think they will use him differently this. YEAR
[44:46] Speaker 3: i suspect with the new coaching, staff he gets paid.
[44:48] Speaker 3: More do we go back to Back steelers three out
[44:51] Speaker 3: of Five steelers here in High smith next we do? Not,
[44:56] Speaker 3: Okay like this is the range that he might go.
[44:59] Speaker 4: In this the Range i'm gonna, Say josh swept from
[45:03] Speaker 4: The cardinals woo love. IT i think of all the
[45:10] Speaker 4: dominant one on one pass which has put them against
[45:12] Speaker 4: any person in the, league and can they win the
[45:15] Speaker 4: rep against the best of the best.
[45:16] Speaker 1: Talent he's the.
[45:17] Speaker 4: Most underrated player in football BECAUSE i Think herbig has
[45:20] Speaker 4: this kind of online cult fan, base which is also
[45:23] Speaker 4: the Entire steelers fan base who recognize that he's not
[45:25] Speaker 4: being played off. Of Josh sweat never ever gets talked
[45:28] Speaker 4: about in the elite. Company they just one on, one
[45:31] Speaker 4: high end reps against the best. Talent he wins as
[45:34] Speaker 4: much As Will. Anderson he wins as much As Michael.
[45:36] Speaker 4: Parsons it doesn't always look as blurry as violent As
[45:39] Speaker 4: Michael parsons does. It but the end, outcome the bag of,
[45:43] Speaker 4: tricks the sequencinger moves together the different variety of. Moves
[45:47] Speaker 4: he just excels in handtown. Combat he's got the, speed
[45:49] Speaker 4: he's got the. Bend he's had unbelievable one on one
[45:52] Speaker 4: wins last season Against Trent, Williams Charles. Crossmaquanu it's like
[45:56] Speaker 4: you go through the really tough tackle in the league
[45:58] Speaker 4: and he can just climb people, consistently and you go
[46:02] Speaker 4: through The Brendan tholen tracks the high quality number of
[46:05] Speaker 4: sacks per. Snap he finished fifth in the league two
[46:09] Speaker 4: seasons in a. Row last year was behind Only Garrett
[46:12] Speaker 4: Paarson's hunter And Chise. Young it's the best of the,
[46:15] Speaker 4: best and that you cannot go through any part of
[46:17] Speaker 4: his game and say that full shot of the elite.
[46:20] Speaker 4: Standard he's just kind of lost in the conversation.
[46:22] Speaker 3: Consistently and he went To arizona on from the, outside
[46:27] Speaker 3: what looked, like, oh is that an. Overpay he's always
[46:29] Speaker 3: just kind of been one of the guys In philadelphia
[46:32] Speaker 3: and then he goes To. Arizona backs it up with
[46:34] Speaker 3: that season that you just mentioned twelve, SACKS i Said
[46:37] Speaker 3: Abdol carter for you, know first in time to. Pressure,
[46:40] Speaker 3: Earlier Josh sweats was second in the entire, league and
[46:44] Speaker 3: we talked before we. Started, YEAH i WISH i could
[46:46] Speaker 3: go back and just watch a little more of these.
[46:48] Speaker 3: GUYS i spent a long time prepping in, everything BUT
[46:50] Speaker 3: i couldn't watch. Everyone And sweat was one of those.
[46:52] Speaker 3: Guys because ONCE i looked at the, NUMBERS i just
[46:55] Speaker 3: kept pushing him up and up and up on my.
[46:58] Speaker 3: LIST i still not even as high as, you and
[46:59] Speaker 3: MAYBE i should. Have and the THING i wrote was
[47:01] Speaker 3: because WHY i wanted to watch him is just flashier
[47:03] Speaker 3: than you, think which backs UP i guess what you just.
[47:06] Speaker 1: Said it's fun to watch he is.
[47:08] Speaker 4: An old tingle team. Player is that you have to
[47:12] Speaker 4: get up and go for a walk, around going this
[47:13] Speaker 4: is too much, fun having a great time at Watching Josh.
[47:16] Speaker 1: SWAT i think it's time For Brian.
[47:20] Speaker 3: Burns you, know we talked about quick, pressures twenty three
[47:24] Speaker 3: quick pressures last. Year he's sixteen and a half. Sacks
[47:27] Speaker 3: he's not gonna give you those sacks every. Year his
[47:29] Speaker 3: pressure to sack ratio last year was so, High but
[47:32] Speaker 3: what he is every year is pretty much the same.
[47:34] Speaker 3: Player and the production just popped up like crazy last.
[47:37] Speaker 3: Year but there's a reason that they gave him the
[47:39] Speaker 3: money and that they traded for him because he just
[47:41] Speaker 3: gives you what you. WANT i, think in a maybe
[47:45] Speaker 3: less well rounded way To josh Heinz. ALLEN i think
[47:48] Speaker 3: of them as just like, GUYS i know What i'm gonna,
[47:51] Speaker 3: get and, yeah last, year suddenly he has like fifteen
[47:53] Speaker 3: sixteen sacks and fifteen quarterback.
[47:55] Speaker 1: Hits he gets more. Attention he had some unblocked, pressures.
[48:00] Speaker 3: But he's got that, quickness you, know coming off the
[48:02] Speaker 3: snap and at this position in. Particular you know you're
[48:06] Speaker 3: saying you want to see a guy who performs in
[48:08] Speaker 3: the biggest of. Spots he's just been on bad. Teams
[48:12] Speaker 3: BUT i do think of him as a very trustworthy.
[48:15] Speaker 3: PLAYER i know Who Brian burns is And i'm taking
[48:18] Speaker 3: him sixteenth.
[48:18] Speaker 4: Overall know who he is is, fair whether he is
[48:22] Speaker 4: the best at the thing that you know him to.
[48:24] Speaker 4: DO i would probably question last season's. PRODUCTION i thought
[48:28] Speaker 4: was a bit of an. Outline he has been that
[48:30] Speaker 4: same player for a long. Time it was a lot
[48:32] Speaker 4: of unblocked, Stuff it was a lot of schemed up.
[48:34] Speaker 4: Stuff it was a lot of the attention is going
[48:36] Speaker 4: to everywhere. Else this abdol, card the guy you just,
[48:38] Speaker 4: mentioned is first in time to pressure by a pretty significant.
[48:41] Speaker 4: Distance it's like two point three nine seconds or. SOMETHING
[48:43] Speaker 4: i think Abdol cards is times pressures that is so ludicrously.
[48:46] Speaker 4: Fast so the lightning's coming off one. Side he Got
[48:49] Speaker 4: Dex lawrence inside absolutely terrifying to figure out what to
[48:52] Speaker 4: do with the nose Tackle luco rush the, passer and
[48:54] Speaker 4: Then burns just kind of swoops it off the edge
[48:56] Speaker 4: and he was just unblocked so, consistently or they would
[48:58] Speaker 4: game a fight and kind of swoop me inside with
[49:00] Speaker 4: the with the free run to the. Quarterback SO i
[49:02] Speaker 4: just thought it was a lot more manufactured stuff last
[49:05] Speaker 4: season than him just being a REALLY i don't think
[49:08] Speaker 4: he's a dominant one to one passers WHERE i put
[49:10] Speaker 4: him more in That benito. BOOCKET i don't think he
[49:12] Speaker 4: quite has that get off.
[49:13] Speaker 3: That benito has no or else he would have gone further.
[49:17] Speaker 3: Now at one, point The rams crazy little sliding doors,
[49:21] Speaker 3: moment like tried to give up the farm all these
[49:25] Speaker 3: picks For Brian, burns and the panther said, no, like
[49:28] Speaker 3: we don't want, to we don't want your two first
[49:30] Speaker 3: For Brian, burns and they end up settling like. THAT
[49:32] Speaker 3: i wonder what The rams build would have been. Like
[49:35] Speaker 3: but he was the type of player to inspire that
[49:37] Speaker 3: sort of. Confidence and, yet AS i said, THAT i
[49:39] Speaker 3: felt LIKE i was trying to convince. Myself MAYBE i
[49:41] Speaker 3: should have waited a few more, Spots BUT i feel
[49:44] Speaker 3: fine With.
[49:44] Speaker 1: Burns there what you got at.
[49:46] Speaker 4: Seventeen i'm going to Take Jalen phillips from The panthers
[49:50] Speaker 4: went healthy that the variety of, moves the quality of the,
[49:54] Speaker 4: movement again going up against the elite, competition just because
[49:58] Speaker 4: how he moves differently and he can sequence so many
[50:00] Speaker 4: different things. Together you see people Like Spencer brown just
[50:04] Speaker 4: their heads of. Spinning those guys can deal with the,
[50:06] Speaker 4: best and they go up Against Jalen. Phillips he just
[50:08] Speaker 4: has a way of nimbly and subtly and. AWFULLY i
[50:12] Speaker 4: think he's probably won The Pete craftsman at the. Position
[50:16] Speaker 4: AND i really admired. That and THEN i thought when
[50:18] Speaker 4: you got To, philadelphia it was a little bit more
[50:20] Speaker 4: streamlined and they would just kind of like head, down
[50:22] Speaker 4: we get off the ball and go. Hit and he
[50:24] Speaker 4: showed THAT i can display get off the ball and go.
[50:26] Speaker 4: FOOTBALL i WANT i have all the men AND i
[50:27] Speaker 4: have all the burst if. Needed but then he also
[50:30] Speaker 4: has this secondary, trait which is just.
[50:32] Speaker 3: The, intellect the wow plays and just really for his,
[50:37] Speaker 3: size the versatility are. Awesome and the crazy thing, IS
[50:42] Speaker 3: i think he's gonna be better another year away from
[50:46] Speaker 3: those devastating. Injuries to come back from those two season
[50:50] Speaker 3: ending injuries in a, row and to be that physically
[50:53] Speaker 3: impressive the first season. BACK i don't think he was
[50:57] Speaker 3: even as good or as just athletically impressive last year
[51:02] Speaker 3: as he was in what was that the twenty two
[51:04] Speaker 3: season for The, dolphins when he's, just to me a total.
[51:07] Speaker 3: Freak SO i think if he's, healthy to, me he
[51:10] Speaker 3: has the highest. Ceiling WHEN i wrote him, down and
[51:12] Speaker 3: this was in the same area ish THAT i, HAD
[51:15] Speaker 3: i have a group of, players BUT i wrote of this,
[51:17] Speaker 3: GROUP i thought he has the highest ceiling of any
[51:20] Speaker 3: of this group of players if it all goes, perfectly, Well.
[51:23] Speaker 4: YEAH i really thought he was going to be. Cooked
[51:25] Speaker 4: and he was a PLAYER i just adored watching every
[51:27] Speaker 4: single weekend and just, thought this is a.
[51:29] Speaker 1: Wrap the injuries are too.
[51:30] Speaker 4: Much his game was based on intelligence and craft more
[51:34] Speaker 4: than it was the. Burst but the burst gives you
[51:36] Speaker 4: access to do all the fun creative. Things it's a
[51:38] Speaker 4: similar conversation With layout tu last was he quite explosive
[51:41] Speaker 4: enough to be able to access all the? Intellect someone Like,
[51:44] Speaker 4: hunt who has all this imagination can get away with
[51:46] Speaker 4: it because you can also run through your. Face so
[51:48] Speaker 4: you got got to worry about that for him to
[51:50] Speaker 4: be able to pull these moves. TOGETHER i thought last
[51:52] Speaker 4: year he proved that even if he's never back to
[51:54] Speaker 4: being the player he was at the peak peak days In,
[51:57] Speaker 4: miami he can now work around. That he's athletic enough
[52:00] Speaker 4: again to them be able to bring all kind of
[52:03] Speaker 4: the craft into.
[52:03] Speaker 3: It, yeah there's a couple of players. HERE i just
[52:06] Speaker 3: feel bad have fallen this. FAR i think it is,
[52:09] Speaker 3: time by the, way for the off season ride along
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[52:15] Speaker 3: Earlier i'm gonna Take Jonathan, garnard maybe just BECAUSE i
[52:20] Speaker 3: just took the safe pick earlier And i'm going to
[52:22] Speaker 3: take someone that to me is a little more. Fun
[52:25] Speaker 3: Jonathan garnard now with The, eagles think it's probably the
[52:28] Speaker 3: most important player they acquired this off season is going
[52:31] Speaker 3: to be really important to their team. Build being right
[52:33] Speaker 3: about that, contract being right about that. Trait he is
[52:36] Speaker 3: a guy in a different way Than. Verse doesn't always finish,
[52:40] Speaker 3: plays but is very good and there's a lot of quick.
[52:43] Speaker 3: Pressure we've talked about time to pressure a lot on this.
[52:46] Speaker 3: Show he was fourth in THE nfl last, year which,
[52:49] Speaker 3: was you, know his worst season since he broke out
[52:52] Speaker 3: in terms of you, know, sacks but a little Like Danielle,
[52:56] Speaker 3: hunter the guy he replaced In, minnesota just a fun
[53:00] Speaker 3: player in terms OF i think he's. SMART i think
[53:02] Speaker 3: he's got a lot of different. MOVES i think he's a.
[53:05] Speaker 3: PRO i think he's gonna figure out how to get
[53:09] Speaker 3: more production this, year how to make that contract. Work
[53:12] Speaker 3: so on one, HAND i feel safe taking, him and
[53:15] Speaker 3: then just with the juice that he, HAS i do
[53:17] Speaker 3: think there's a nice. Ceiling it's a good. COMBINATION i
[53:20] Speaker 3: can see why how he's betting out. Him if how
[53:22] Speaker 3: he's betting, HIM i shouldn't feel bad about betting on.
[53:24] Speaker 4: Him he has some of the best hand you see
[53:26] Speaker 4: in the. LEAGUE i think the decline in production is
[53:28] Speaker 4: greatly over. State you just go and watch. Him he
[53:31] Speaker 4: is inches away from finishing some of these. Plays it's
[53:33] Speaker 4: not like he's falling off. Sack so there's some kind
[53:35] Speaker 4: of like problem that it's just. Happenstance sometimes you just close.
[53:38] Speaker 4: Enough sometimes the balls out split second before you can
[53:41] Speaker 4: finish it to, them just like clearing the, bodies winning
[53:43] Speaker 4: the one on one. Rep he's still doing that the
[53:46] Speaker 4: same level he's did during his best days with The.
[53:49] Speaker 4: Vikings SO i just think he's an incredibly efficient Pass.
[53:52] Speaker 4: RUSSIA i think he can be up on any style of,
[53:54] Speaker 4: tackle which is SOMETHING i really. COVET i think The
[53:56] Speaker 4: eagles really covet. That that's why Jayaln phillips is the
[53:59] Speaker 4: guy the id like does any variety of. Tackle it's
[54:02] Speaker 4: not just a verse type play where it's head, down
[54:04] Speaker 4: we're doing the same thing over and over. Again we
[54:06] Speaker 4: want some more. Creativity who wants more? Versatility they know
[54:09] Speaker 4: what they've got going on. Inside they know they've got
[54:11] Speaker 4: the kind of howitzers straight down the, line powerushes on
[54:14] Speaker 4: Opposite Jonathan, grenard and so With grenard.
[54:17] Speaker 1: You do get a little bit more of the versatility and.
[54:19] Speaker 3: Variety that was the off season ride along presented By.
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[54:35] Speaker 4: I'm going to Take Leaatu latu from The, colts a
[54:38] Speaker 4: player WHO i will admit doesn't matter how long we
[54:41] Speaker 4: do this show, together one, year ten, years every season
[54:44] Speaker 4: we do this, Thing i'll be Taking Leatu lato in
[54:47] Speaker 4: this range unless there is a breakout that pushes him
[54:49] Speaker 4: into the top. TEN i will never ever quit a player,
[54:51] Speaker 4: who when you watch, him he is as unorthodox as
[54:55] Speaker 4: any pass us you're playing in the. League he doesn't
[54:57] Speaker 4: even really play football a lot of the. Time it's
[54:59] Speaker 4: like he's doing these mma, moves like Some tajikistan type
[55:02] Speaker 4: stuff going. ON i don't know where he's learned. This
[55:05] Speaker 4: it's a complete unique variety of Pass russia just seems
[55:08] Speaker 4: and feels impossible to block for prolonged. Stretches the finishing
[55:12] Speaker 4: is probably the. Concern when he does finish, plays it's
[55:16] Speaker 4: as mind blowing as you've ever seen someone do. It
[55:19] Speaker 4: he's also become excellent in, coverage WHICH i think is
[55:21] Speaker 4: a boost that a lot of the guys we've talked
[55:23] Speaker 4: about don't quite having the. Game he's become really gifted
[55:26] Speaker 4: in the wrong, game which is not a. Strength coming
[55:28] Speaker 4: out in. COLLEGE i do wonder will he ever, have
[55:32] Speaker 4: AS i mentioned, before that initial jolt off the, ball
[55:35] Speaker 4: to be able to access all the ingenuity that he
[55:38] Speaker 4: has in, him or will he always just be a
[55:39] Speaker 4: really fun player who teams are happy to have out,
[55:43] Speaker 4: there but will never kind of crack the top, ten
[55:46] Speaker 4: top six of the.
[55:47] Speaker 3: Position that he improved a lot as as a second year,
[55:50] Speaker 3: PLAYER i really liked him coming out of the. Draft
[55:52] Speaker 3: he maybe a little Like Danill, hunters a guy with
[55:55] Speaker 3: such a deep bag of moves that it takes some
[55:58] Speaker 3: time in THE nfl to learn when to use them
[56:02] Speaker 3: and when not. TO i don't know if he faded
[56:05] Speaker 3: down the, stretch BUT i thought he really started last season.
[56:08] Speaker 3: WELL i think he's probably improved as more of like
[56:10] Speaker 3: a complete player on rundowns, Too and so that would
[56:13] Speaker 3: hurt me because he's one of my favorites, too and we're.
[56:16] Speaker 3: PROJECTING i THOUGHT i projected a nice improvement from, him
[56:20] Speaker 3: but not. Enough twenty twenty, six all, right our number
[56:23] Speaker 3: twenty pick in this. Draft you can hear me hemming Hind.
[56:28] Speaker 3: WELL i Mentioned Alex highsmith a while. AGO i just feel,
[56:30] Speaker 3: like let's, RESPECT i was going to, say the old,
[56:33] Speaker 3: guy but he's right in the middle of his. Career
[56:35] Speaker 3: he's twenty twenty nine years, old and he's an all around.
[56:39] Speaker 3: Player your Buddy John ledyard likes to mention how he
[56:42] Speaker 3: doesn't understand Why Alex highsmith is a plus and, coverage
[56:46] Speaker 3: but like he has a good feel of making some
[56:49] Speaker 3: plays even in coverage, sometimes which is pretty. Rare, yeah
[56:53] Speaker 3: out to a lots who had three. Interceptions not many
[56:54] Speaker 3: people are going to do this at this. Position THE
[56:56] Speaker 3: pff overall great. Here i'm going to USE pff when
[56:59] Speaker 3: it's suits my needs BECAUSE i do think it tells
[57:02] Speaker 3: a story about Who Alex highsmith is as a player
[57:04] Speaker 3: because they include run. Defense they include tackling the last
[57:09] Speaker 3: three seasons for you, know players hitting a minimum threshold
[57:12] Speaker 3: of snaps thirteenth last, year eighth the year, before tenth
[57:17] Speaker 3: the year before.
[57:18] Speaker 1: That and.
[57:20] Speaker 3: You mentioned earlier when talking About, okay, well you have
[57:23] Speaker 3: High smith cleaning up a lot of what they want
[57:25] Speaker 3: to do on the run, defense and so you have
[57:28] Speaker 3: to you can't Have herbic And watt necessarily out there to.
[57:30] Speaker 3: GO i mean that to me helps describe why High
[57:33] Speaker 3: smith is so. GOOD a guy who would fit on
[57:35] Speaker 3: every single, team is a complete, player is a good pass,
[57:39] Speaker 3: rusher is still in his. PRIME i just DON'T i
[57:42] Speaker 3: don't see much reason to let him go much. Further,
[57:44] Speaker 3: No I'm i'm devastated you're able to snag. Him probably
[57:48] Speaker 3: should have taken him a fall a lot.
[57:49] Speaker 1: TOO i had him. MUCH i don't know what it
[57:51] Speaker 1: is About Alex.
[57:52] Speaker 3: Heith i'm saying that like he's he, should we should
[57:55] Speaker 3: be more excited about, Him and YET i think both
[57:57] Speaker 3: of us let him fall further than he actually WASN'T
[57:59] Speaker 3: i had him like four or five spots higher on my.
[58:01] Speaker 4: Board that one's going to hurt WHEN i see the
[58:03] Speaker 4: graphic BECAUSE i really Loved Nick, herbig AND i really
[58:06] Speaker 4: do think that if he played for a team that
[58:08] Speaker 4: let him play full, time he would have a monster.
[58:10] Speaker 4: Season it feels a little disrespectful to have him go
[58:14] Speaker 4: that far Before Alex. Highsmith he's just as an all
[58:16] Speaker 4: around valuable. Player Nick herbig does the most valuable thing
[58:20] Speaker 4: better Than Alex, highsmith But HeiG spid does that most
[58:23] Speaker 4: valuable thing at a, really really high. Level the quick
[58:25] Speaker 4: pressure rate is off the. SCALE i think he was
[58:27] Speaker 4: fifth in time to pressure last, season which isn't really
[58:30] Speaker 4: the mainstay of his, game as you, mentioned it's more
[58:32] Speaker 4: the all around impact that he has on the. Defense
[58:35] Speaker 4: but he has been able to really elevate terms of
[58:38] Speaker 4: the high quality number of wins that he has that
[58:40] Speaker 4: it's not just this kind of second surge effort based
[58:43] Speaker 4: stuff where what goes flying off one side then he
[58:45] Speaker 4: kind of comes from and cleans on the other. Side
[58:47] Speaker 4: he started to become a really good three way rush
[58:49] Speaker 4: in his own.
[58:50] Speaker 3: Right all, right one more break before we Let Eric
[58:53] Speaker 3: roberts Free Memorial day. Weekend he's, like, we, oh let's
[58:58] Speaker 3: maybe try to make this show a little. Quicker we
[59:00] Speaker 3: have a mission, Here, eric and that is to provide
[59:03] Speaker 3: The sikos the most in depth annual. Rankings we are
[59:06] Speaker 3: doing this every single, year and this is our one
[59:09] Speaker 3: chance to give a nice couple of minute conversation About Alex.
[59:12] Speaker 3: Heismith we'll be back in a few, minutes.
[59:22] Speaker 1: Back ON Nfl.
[59:23] Speaker 3: Daily, yeah if you're, overseas it might not be aware
[59:26] Speaker 3: holiday here in The, States Memorial day On. Monday taking
[59:32] Speaker 3: my father in, law who's in town From japan for
[59:34] Speaker 3: the first time in many years to A dodgers game
[59:39] Speaker 3: On Memorial day that's gonna be.
[59:40] Speaker 1: Fun we're going To vegas On. Saturday it's a big
[59:44] Speaker 1: it's a big. Weekend it's a big weekn. WEEKEND i.
[59:49] Speaker 3: KNOW i think we're gonna take my son to some Fancy.
[59:51] Speaker 3: Sushie let's go To pick twenty. One we're doing the
[59:54] Speaker 3: top edge. Rushers you are up, Next.
[59:57] Speaker 1: Dolly i'm gonna Take Yaya diabi from the.
[59:59] Speaker 4: Book eric is beside himself with joy for the ten
[1:00:03] Speaker 4: Minute Yaya diabe conversation before he gets To.
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: Disney eric loves his. Job i've just poken fun at.
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: Him he loves The dabey.
[1:00:10] Speaker 4: Talk diabby is in that Similar jared verse mold of
[1:00:15] Speaker 4: the Out Impure Power. Russia AND i thought When Hassan
[1:00:18] Speaker 4: reddick was engaged for The books for at least those
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: first two, weeks he really wanted to play football for the.
[1:00:23] Speaker 4: Books for A, fortnite you got to see him in
[1:00:25] Speaker 4: his ideal, spot which was from one side you get
[1:00:28] Speaker 4: kind of the, press the diagonal push in the, pocket
[1:00:30] Speaker 4: and on the other side you got the swoop around the,
[1:00:32] Speaker 4: edge and it really showed you again the complete elements
[1:00:35] Speaker 4: Of DRB's. GAME i think him And Reuben bain together
[1:00:37] Speaker 4: is a pretty devastating duo in terms of the crossover
[1:00:40] Speaker 4: of skill. Sets he Like, VERSE i, think has a
[1:00:43] Speaker 4: little bit of that pressure inflation stuff going on where
[1:00:47] Speaker 4: it's a lot of perceived pressure because it just proximity
[1:00:49] Speaker 4: to the. Quarterback it's not quite as devastating as someone
[1:00:52] Speaker 4: Like versus able to tap into, consistently but it's a
[1:00:55] Speaker 4: really good out to Empower. RUSSIA i like those. Guys
[1:00:59] Speaker 4: he's a really talent run, defenders So i'm gonna take The.
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: Abbida i'm.
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: Annoyed he's great, Stopping like his run stop numbers are
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: terrific and you can just see. It he was on
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: our all underrated team earlier this. SEASON i love how
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: he backed up his breakout. Season i'm annoyed because you're
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: taking the GUYS i feel, like are quote unquote my,
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: Guys and Yet i'm gonna take someone next just to
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: be a little spicy who has never been one of my,
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: guys WHO i suspect is not one of your guys
[1:01:26] Speaker 3: and wasn't gonna get taken this.
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: High AND i just got to give.
[1:01:29] Speaker 3: Up give it up For Chase young coming off last
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: season that like getting off the snap last, year number
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: one by far Is.
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: Garrett number three Is.
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: Benito like the people that you expect in terms of
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: get off according to Next gen, stats are all the
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: people you.
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: Expect Jonathan cooper is up. There it's a great get.
[1:01:48] Speaker 4: Up you.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: Know it was number. Two it Was chase Freaking.
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: Young his pressures they were quick second and quick pressure
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: percentage like the statistical, profile and he didn't have as
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: many snaps last. YEAR i was pretty. OUTRAGEOUS i feel
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: LIKE i slept on his comeback. Season he is someone
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: THAT i decided to go back and watch because he
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: was seventh in past rush win. Ray if you just
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: look at the statistical, profile he actually deserved to go
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: even higher in this.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: DRAFT i couldn't get.
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: There but WHEN i went back to, WATCH i did
[1:02:18] Speaker 3: think whether it was the, injuries the, coaching just being
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: in the league long, enough he is playing his best.
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: Football it's more, mature for lack of a better, word
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: and he's got the juice like he is starting to
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: really live up to the spot where he got.
[1:02:31] Speaker 1: DRAFTED i just want to Give Chase young a little.
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: LOVE i think it's a completely fat.
[1:02:35] Speaker 4: Pick my only thing would be that he was more
[1:02:37] Speaker 4: of a situational guy and no one we drafted so
[1:02:40] Speaker 4: far as a situational. Play some those guys may have
[1:02:42] Speaker 4: more that. Usage Her big is, borderline so it'd Be
[1:02:45] Speaker 4: herbig and YOUNG i think will be the comparison. There
[1:02:48] Speaker 4: his last, season seventy five percent of his sacks killed.
[1:02:51] Speaker 4: Drives there is no one even in the vicinity it's
[1:02:54] Speaker 4: usually fifty, percent is like The.
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: Max so he was.
[1:02:57] Speaker 4: Absurd AND i think all around with The, saints we
[1:02:59] Speaker 4: discussed on multiple of these shows that over them. PEOPLE
[1:03:02] Speaker 4: i think recognizing naturally The tyler shuck looked pretty good
[1:03:05] Speaker 4: coming in last. Season maybe they have an answer they'll
[1:03:07] Speaker 4: find out next. Season all across the, BOARD i thought
[1:03:10] Speaker 4: the development was. Huge they got themselves the best subbrusher
[1:03:12] Speaker 4: in the. League that offensive line is filled with young.
[1:03:14] Speaker 4: TALENTLY i did a really good. Veteran so they were
[1:03:17] Speaker 4: really the kind of the some green spurts of stuff
[1:03:20] Speaker 4: that isn't just hanging on to the last vestiges of
[1:03:22] Speaker 4: the previous.
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: Team, YEAH i wanted to see whether the, set you,
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: know sex a little fluky or what's happening. Here it's
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: like they were pretty, impressive plenty of them against good,
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: players AND i get it why they brought, me you,
[1:03:34] Speaker 3: know they brought him. IN i was a little surprised by.
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: THAT i thought it was a good value the first.
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: Contract was a little surprised by the second. One But,
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: Mickey mickey's feeling. Himself let's see If mickey can hit
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: another home run with that contract that they Gave Chase.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: Young all, right you're up.
[1:03:47] Speaker 4: Next i'm going to take two le two plot from The,
[1:03:50] Speaker 4: chargers a player WHO i was not on board with that.
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: Toll he's a GUY i really went and. Studied this.
[1:03:56] Speaker 4: WEEK i asked a right tackle in the. LEAGUE i
[1:03:59] Speaker 4: sent him my Nice, wow who is the guy THAT
[1:04:02] Speaker 4: i am? On?
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: Bragg who is the guy THAT i am? Lowest?
[1:04:06] Speaker 4: Done and he said. Two ploto is the most annoying
[1:04:09] Speaker 4: person to block in the. League and when you go
[1:04:11] Speaker 4: and watch the film you can see all the numbers
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: which are really. Impressive he has a really funky style
[1:04:17] Speaker 4: where he's, small he just kind of barrels himself into
[1:04:19] Speaker 4: the chest of. Blockers there's not a whole lot of
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: skill going. On there's not a whole lot of, technique
[1:04:23] Speaker 4: but he has the most explosive disengagement is how it described,
[1:04:27] Speaker 4: It like there's three phases of a pass. Frush the
[1:04:30] Speaker 4: first two phases are so so with. Him the third
[1:04:32] Speaker 4: phase he slingshots off people and just closes like few
[1:04:36] Speaker 4: of the people as consistently in the, league and he
[1:04:39] Speaker 4: just seems like a nuisance to block down, in down,
[1:04:42] Speaker 4: Out and there are some more. Moves AND i gave
[1:04:44] Speaker 4: him credit FOR i booked at him slightly in The
[1:04:47] Speaker 4: george Carl loft this type vein where it's, Like, okay
[1:04:50] Speaker 4: good players around, them good, scheme maybe slightly inflated, production
[1:04:54] Speaker 4: not that great of an. Athlete and WHEN i went
[1:04:56] Speaker 4: back through on a full rewatching study of, HIM i
[1:04:58] Speaker 4: was really really impressed with the development of.
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: Him that's good to.
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: Hear AND i only had one or two guys left
[1:05:04] Speaker 3: that it would be ahead of.
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: Him so this is the same AREA i had.
[1:05:07] Speaker 3: Him, yeah part of the reason he would even be
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: this low, Is, yeah he had the great sack production last.
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: Year he doubled his career total with thirteen in one.
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: Season and he's not thought of as like a plus run.
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: Defender you could tell me if you, disagree and that
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: the statistical profile in terms of the time to, pressure
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: it is a lot of hustle stuff there is some
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: unblocked stuff in, there but that to me is almost
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: the reason that he's not top. Fifteen that this makes
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: sense for, Me and someone that would absolutely agree would Be,
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: jeremiah who watches him each and every, week AND i
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: think has had a similar evolution to the one that
[1:05:41] Speaker 3: you went through just this week after that right tackle
[1:05:44] Speaker 3: told you that of just like the more he has
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: watched him over and, over he has really appreciated what
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: his game brings to.
[1:05:49] Speaker 4: This it's because you're not finding any like a plus.
[1:05:52] Speaker 4: Skill well even you mentioned cha, Shung like the get
[1:05:54] Speaker 4: off from the strength is like that looks like the
[1:05:56] Speaker 4: great ones with Two. Poloto it's like it's a lot
[1:05:58] Speaker 4: OF b TO b plus stuff adds up to the.
[1:06:00] Speaker 4: Hole is just impactful and he. Creates he doesn't have
[1:06:04] Speaker 4: anywhere near the inline power Of Versal garret all the
[1:06:07] Speaker 4: really great. Plays but limbs just fly everywhere around. HIM
[1:06:11] Speaker 4: i don't even know what it. Is he just gets
[1:06:12] Speaker 4: on of the Pat levely rocks into people and limbs
[1:06:15] Speaker 4: just fly all over the. Place you can watch The,
[1:06:17] Speaker 4: vikings The, colts The, dolphins just feels like every other
[1:06:20] Speaker 4: rep guys are just chasing the backfield is just a,
[1:06:23] Speaker 4: mess and it starts with Two.
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: Poluto i'll go With Trayvon walker at twenty. FOUR i
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: gotta put my money where my mouth is saying he's
[1:06:31] Speaker 3: been a pretty underrated. Player it wasn't his best season last.
[1:06:34] Speaker 3: Year he was definitely playing through. Injury it actually impacts
[1:06:37] Speaker 3: my ranking that they gave him that contract off of
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: that season because they don't have any doubt About Trayvon,
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: walker and SO i think you're gonna get a better overall.
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: SEASON i think.
[1:06:48] Speaker 3: The general consensus on him is, Right, like he's just
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: a powerful man that was great against the run and
[1:06:55] Speaker 3: is a dog and is pretty selfless and a guy
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: that you want on your. Team he's on my. Team Trayvon.
[1:07:02] Speaker 4: Walker, yeah another one who's excellent in the stunt and twist.
[1:07:05] Speaker 4: Game they have probably two of the five best stunt
[1:07:08] Speaker 4: twist players in the. League they played. Together it's kind of.
[1:07:10] Speaker 4: Helpful and, YEAH i think he's just been purely a
[1:07:13] Speaker 4: victim of the fact of why he was. Selected he's
[1:07:16] Speaker 4: turned into being a really good player and a lot
[1:07:18] Speaker 4: Of No one overall picks fail miserably or just. So
[1:07:21] Speaker 4: SO i think he's much better than. That it just
[1:07:23] Speaker 4: so happens that he was taken Before Aiden, hutchinson which
[1:07:26] Speaker 4: is a, whiff but on the trajectory of a lot
[1:07:28] Speaker 4: of nomb one overall, picks he's had a really good.
[1:07:30] Speaker 4: GRIN i think if we did the list again next,
[1:07:33] Speaker 4: year he's more talented still than guys Like Toya. Poloto
[1:07:37] Speaker 4: he's got a similar profile to someone Like Yaya. DABI
[1:07:40] Speaker 4: i wouldn't be surprised if he continues to group.
[1:07:41] Speaker 3: Up this exercise tricky because we only have what eight picks,
[1:07:45] Speaker 3: Left you're gonna have twenty five and you just think
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: of these, Guys, oh that's a top fifteen pass, rusher
[1:07:50] Speaker 3: that's a top twenty pass, rusher and you realize doing,
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: this there's gonna be some good players left off the.
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: Board and that's why you know when, fans let's Say jags,
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: fans when they when they've Seen Trayvon walker left off
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: like a top fifteen pass rusher list over, there and
[1:08:02] Speaker 3: they're kind of, Mad, hey he's. Underrated i'm a fan of,
[1:08:05] Speaker 3: him and he still only even gets in here at
[1:08:08] Speaker 3: twenty four as a good.
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: Player who you taking with twenty?
[1:08:10] Speaker 4: Five i'm Taking Byron young from The rams next. Time
[1:08:14] Speaker 4: maybe wear, too it's too, predictable really. Quick vicious hands
[1:08:22] Speaker 4: another guy who will sell his soul to the team.
[1:08:24] Speaker 4: CONSTRUCT i just love those guys that those guys can
[1:08:26] Speaker 4: play on my team any. Day sim of The walker
[1:08:29] Speaker 4: in that sense can win all three ways, inside, outside
[1:08:32] Speaker 4: through someone's, face has good pop on. Contact his development
[1:08:36] Speaker 4: arc is a really interesting, one probably too long for
[1:08:40] Speaker 4: or boring for this. Show but how he's kind of
[1:08:42] Speaker 4: fundamentally changed his mechanics to unlock the play he is
[1:08:45] Speaker 4: is absolutely is incredibly impressive from the play he Wasn't
[1:08:49] Speaker 4: tennessee to become the play he is in the, league
[1:08:52] Speaker 4: and how he wins in the.
[1:08:53] Speaker 3: League, yeah we're we're at the point of the draft
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: where we got to make sure we pick our. Favorites
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: now he quieted down a little. Bit you said you
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: want a guy who makes big plays in the biggest.
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: MOMENTS i, thought maybe his worst game it just so.
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: HAPPENS i haven't you, know rewatch that. One and he
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: was just kind of invisible in THE Nfc championship. Game
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: so that was a bad final impression for him to leave.
[1:09:16] Speaker 3: Me and yet like if you just look at the,
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: numbers they are, Outrageous Like Byron young is up, there
[1:09:22] Speaker 3: like in terms of hitting the, quarterback it's Basically Miles
[1:09:24] Speaker 3: Garrett hutchinson and Then Byron young last year and makes
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: way more plays in the running game last year than
[1:09:30] Speaker 3: he ever had. Before for a GUY i don't think
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: of as a big, guy he's what like two hundred
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: and fifty pounds and you can leave him out. There
[1:09:37] Speaker 3: they've leave him out. There he never leaves the, field,
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: no like since he's been. Drafted he's just like out there.
[1:09:43] Speaker 4: And all the pressure Gamest Fanny. Cream do they do
[1:09:47] Speaker 4: tease off around? Him that's just kind of as isolated
[1:09:49] Speaker 4: and what he does to the guy they have the
[1:09:51] Speaker 4: fun and games of His Byron, YOUNG i think that.
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: Matters, yeah almost like a thousand snaps basically every. Season
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: i'm trying to think of, like DO i want like
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: the safe player who kind of earned is by? Here
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: DO i just want someone that is? Fun DO i
[1:10:05] Speaker 3: just want to go big on The Jylex hunt breakout
[1:10:08] Speaker 3: season right? Now and just why? Not is that me
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: taking him too early for?
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: Him what do you?
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: Think i'm asking your. Opinion i'm just gonna Take Jylex.
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: HUNT i take some fun, players, okay, good? GOOD i
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: want to pin you another. GUY i THINK i connected
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: in mind because he was right Behind Byron young on
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: that list of how many times did you hit the
[1:10:30] Speaker 3: quarterback per pass? Rush he is right back. THERE i
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: think he's so good that he is going to impact
[1:10:38] Speaker 3: Like Nolan smith's money because he is better Than Nolan
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: smith And Nolan smith entering a contract. Year Nolan smith
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: just got arrested for driving one hundred and thirty seven
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: miles an. Hour that it's a news item we hadn't
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: hit on the, show and so you hate to see,
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: that like way too much of that. HAPPENING i Think
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: hunt is kind of passing him as just a guy
[1:10:57] Speaker 3: who Likes smith very strong and. Man when he was
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: Pushing Trent williams back a little bit in that, playoff
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: and that's what got me really, excited just, Like, okay
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: what's next for this.
[1:11:07] Speaker 4: DUDE i feel Like i've been leading The hunt hype
[1:11:10] Speaker 4: trained since the. Draft he's got all the tools to
[1:11:12] Speaker 4: be a. Superstar WHEN i started this, EXERCISE i had
[1:11:15] Speaker 4: him at. Fifteen THEN i was, like you kind of
[1:11:16] Speaker 4: high in your own supply, there SO i saw him
[1:11:18] Speaker 4: moving him down and trying to be. Sensible and Now
[1:11:20] Speaker 4: i'm devastated you're able to take him, HERE i would,
[1:11:24] Speaker 4: say when you go through, him And i'd take off
[1:11:26] Speaker 4: my glasses of LIKE i want him to be, great
[1:11:27] Speaker 4: BECAUSE i thought he could be great going into the.
[1:11:29] Speaker 4: DRAFT i didn't want to get caught in my. UnBias
[1:11:32] Speaker 4: he's a little bit one. NOTE a lot of stuff
[1:11:34] Speaker 4: happens very slowly for a guy as gifted as he,
[1:11:37] Speaker 4: is that there are levels he can ascend, to which
[1:11:39] Speaker 4: is WHAT i would bet, On AND i do think
[1:11:41] Speaker 4: this could be finally like the full breakout to being
[1:11:44] Speaker 4: more of a well rounded. Player but he's still just
[1:11:46] Speaker 4: incredibly raw for a guy who's now playing a ton of,
[1:11:48] Speaker 4: snaps AND i would have expected see it maybe a
[1:11:51] Speaker 4: little bit more development in terms of how he gets after.
[1:11:53] Speaker 4: It even tho way he runs is just. Funky he's
[1:11:55] Speaker 4: all on his. Tiptoes it's really, choppy it's just not
[1:11:57] Speaker 4: loose some, fluid and he's really naturally, explosive but it
[1:12:01] Speaker 4: isn't quite there when you watch the. Film it's a
[1:12:03] Speaker 4: lot of false. Stepping it's a lot of fitting three
[1:12:05] Speaker 4: steps in where you only need to and yet when
[1:12:08] Speaker 4: you watch him against some of the mid to lower
[1:12:11] Speaker 4: end tackles Like Rashid. Walker he just Annihilated and so
[1:12:14] Speaker 4: that is like clearing the first check mark for me
[1:12:16] Speaker 4: for a guy drafted where he are small school and
[1:12:18] Speaker 4: as you, mentioned even against the big, boys he has
[1:12:21] Speaker 4: the skill set to make the afternoon.
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: Uncomfortable AND i think that he's.
[1:12:24] Speaker 4: Got the toolbox to be able to go and be
[1:12:27] Speaker 4: if you're telling me who would crack the top, ten
[1:12:28] Speaker 4: where you'd be like a guy's gonna leap from the bottom,
[1:12:31] Speaker 4: third he would be the guy with better because if
[1:12:33] Speaker 4: he butts it, together he's gonna be a complete.
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: MENACE i, mean how about playing in a big.
[1:12:36] Speaker 3: Game he's one of the PEOPLE i remember most from
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: That Super bowl from just being. Live they just could
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: not handle his speed and power in that.
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: Game and that's as a. Rookie so that'll always stick with.
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: Me you have twenty, Seven you're at the point now
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: where it's, Like, okay you better take him or else
[1:12:52] Speaker 3: he just might not get.
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: Taken it.
[1:12:53] Speaker 4: Off i'm at the point as well where there's a
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: fan BASE i already know is getting really. Offended But
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: i'm gonna Take DeMarcus lauras from the Sea. HULKS i
[1:13:01] Speaker 4: don't even know who this fan base. Is, Okay i'll
[1:13:04] Speaker 4: love to. Revisit he's still one of the smartest pastors
[1:13:07] Speaker 4: in the. League And DeMarcus lawrence the getoff is still
[1:13:10] Speaker 4: that probably just the best less season pure edge rushing
[1:13:14] Speaker 4: run defender as an edge. Player don't think it's hard
[1:13:18] Speaker 4: to separate all all The seahawks miss of, it from the,
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: scheme from the interior, guys from the kind of cavalcade
[1:13:24] Speaker 4: of rushes they roll. THROUGH i still Think DeMarcus lawrence
[1:13:27] Speaker 4: has the juice to BE i think this is almost even.
[1:13:29] Speaker 4: Disrespectful but there's a bit of a. PROJECTION i think
[1:13:32] Speaker 4: he's just a better play than to a plow. To
[1:13:34] Speaker 4: but there's going to be some. Decline it would probably
[1:13:36] Speaker 4: come this. Season, yeah just a knack for big.
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: Plays you know the age he was coming off an,
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: injury but just he just wrecked. Stuff and, look he
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: was top fifteen in past rush win rate last. Year
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: it wasn't like it was all just you, know powering
[1:13:50] Speaker 3: people back into the, backfield the top fifteen IN. Pff
[1:13:53] Speaker 3: he's another guy who kind of like A, verse misses
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: a lot of tackles because he's.
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: Just there to miss.
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: Them but just creates, chaos one of my all time favorite.
[1:14:04] Speaker 3: Players i'm GLAD i was gonna make sure he went
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: in this. Draft that he was literally the GUY i
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: wrote at the bottom of just like take him with
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: your last pick if he's not, there because LIKE i
[1:14:13] Speaker 3: don't want to be part of a draft he doesn't get.
[1:14:15] Speaker 3: Taken all, right the fan, base there's a couple. Options
[1:14:18] Speaker 3: were you talking about The bears In Montes sweat Because
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: i'll take him off the board if, Not, NO i was.
[1:14:24] Speaker 4: NOT i think best funds on the stemweather, Right.
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: Okay ACTUALLY i don't want to take.
[1:14:28] Speaker 4: That having online meltdowns about the fact they didn't draft
[1:14:31] Speaker 4: A Ede, russia would they be doing that if they
[1:14:33] Speaker 4: were in love with Month As sweat.
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: Then then MAYBE i don't, Know BUT i changed my
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: mind mid. Conversation i'm gonna take just a solid player
[1:14:43] Speaker 3: In Greg russo who just finds a way every season
[1:14:48] Speaker 3: to you, know finish in like top twenty ish and
[1:14:53] Speaker 3: pressure rate last, year there's not a lot of quick
[1:14:55] Speaker 3: pressures like it is a slow time to. Pressure it
[1:14:58] Speaker 3: does mean something to me that he's kind of the
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: same player every. Year he finished last year, well five
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: straight games with at least four, pressures like he he
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: ends up getting in the same ballpark of players of very,
[1:15:10] Speaker 3: good maybe not. Great i'm Maybe i'm aiming too low
[1:15:14] Speaker 3: here With Greg, russo BUT i feel like he's earned that.
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: Respect like when they gave him that, CONTRACT i was, like,
[1:15:19] Speaker 3: Yeah i'm good with.
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: That that totally makes sense to.
[1:15:22] Speaker 3: Me he's exactly kind of what you want as a
[1:15:24] Speaker 3: second quote Unquote Ed.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: Dresher but then when you look.
[1:15:27] Speaker 3: At the list here AND i feel like this is
[1:15:29] Speaker 3: where he deserves to be taken twenty. Eight like some
[1:15:32] Speaker 3: teams don't even have A Greg, russo so get them locked.
[1:15:34] Speaker 4: Up every team would love A Greg. Russo it's just
[1:15:37] Speaker 4: the value you placed in. IT i guess he was
[1:15:39] Speaker 4: the ONE i was referring to with the fan base
[1:15:41] Speaker 4: BECAUSE i feel Like i've been so critical of The
[1:15:43] Speaker 4: bills as an organization SINCE i joined this. Show The
[1:15:47] Speaker 4: bills fans are stunt to think That i'm not a
[1:15:49] Speaker 4: son of The bills WHEN i would love nothing more
[1:15:52] Speaker 4: in my career to cover them lifting the long. Body
[1:15:54] Speaker 4: that would be a dream of. MINE i won that for.
[1:15:56] Speaker 4: THEM i want that For Josh. ALLEN i don't think
[1:15:59] Speaker 4: this regime is GOING i get it. Done, russeau the
[1:16:03] Speaker 4: major thing with him is just is he anyway near
[1:16:05] Speaker 4: the caliber of just Past russia to be able to
[1:16:08] Speaker 4: be on the. List, HONESTLY i struggled with that BECAUSE
[1:16:11] Speaker 4: i think as a run defender he's absolutely. Outstanding it's
[1:16:14] Speaker 4: just the time to pressure you mentioned it's a little.
[1:16:16] Speaker 4: Slow it was three point four to three seconds time
[1:16:18] Speaker 4: to pressure last. Year that was ninety ninth of one
[1:16:21] Speaker 4: hundred and six eligble pass. Rushers that's just not a little.
[1:16:23] Speaker 4: Slow it's just it's Nowhere nick good, enough and you
[1:16:26] Speaker 4: stop racking up against even situational soap brushes Of bryce
[1:16:30] Speaker 4: hoof Al Kady. Mohammad he's just not bringing anywhere near
[1:16:34] Speaker 4: the kind of volume or impact you, needed the level
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: of speed that you.
[1:16:37] Speaker 3: NEED i thought it kind of earned his way on the,
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: List but there are a couple of players, that, yeah
[1:16:42] Speaker 3: get me a little more. TINGLING i don't Think bill's
[1:16:44] Speaker 3: fans will be mad about. That bill's, FANS i, believe
[1:16:48] Speaker 3: have crossed over from just being so over the moon
[1:16:54] Speaker 3: that they're back to being real deal. Contenders AND i
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: can't believe our luck From Josh allen to a little
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: salty and kind of annoy, it like weirdly over it
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: with this build of the like show us something, builds
[1:17:07] Speaker 3: especially on, defense And russo is part of, that even
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: though he's been one of their best, players one of
[1:17:12] Speaker 3: their best draft.
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: Picks all, right you're up with twenty.
[1:17:14] Speaker 4: Nine i'm gonna Take Jalen walker from The. Falcons this
[1:17:18] Speaker 4: is a little bit of a shoot for the. Moon
[1:17:19] Speaker 4: WHEN i saw him in, PERSON i can't remember you
[1:17:22] Speaker 4: went at that game right In. BERLIN i just thought
[1:17:26] Speaker 4: that the movement skills were when you talked earlier About
[1:17:29] Speaker 4: abdol cards like he just moves differently to other. People
[1:17:32] Speaker 4: he is one of the most special ATHLETES i think
[1:17:34] Speaker 4: at the position. Now will ever all come? TOGETHER i
[1:17:37] Speaker 4: think a lot of it will depend on the style
[1:17:40] Speaker 4: of system The falcons are gonna run this. SEASON i
[1:17:42] Speaker 4: know they Kept Jeff, ulbrick but will look more like
[1:17:44] Speaker 4: Ull break with The, jets where it's Very nina's. Base
[1:17:46] Speaker 4: will look more like last, year whereas all the chaos
[1:17:48] Speaker 4: and the. Blitzing even the numbers last year indicate a
[1:17:51] Speaker 4: play who was so scheme. Oriented it's all. Unblocked it's
[1:17:55] Speaker 4: not a lot of one on one, wins but the
[1:17:56] Speaker 4: talent is so supreme that he could just be a
[1:17:59] Speaker 4: guy who goes from twenty five thirty pressures and then
[1:18:03] Speaker 4: just launches into a sixty sixty five precious season with
[1:18:06] Speaker 4: this this special blend of athleticism and. Intellect and then
[1:18:09] Speaker 4: this is a run, defender he's already the one of the.
[1:18:11] Speaker 4: Best like N, mono the line of scrimmage, type head
[1:18:14] Speaker 4: up and hit it type plays in the way someone
[1:18:15] Speaker 4: Like Greg russeau, Is but you just get this kind
[1:18:18] Speaker 4: of pastor shipside because the natural.
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: JUICE i, think, yeah there are not many run defenders
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: that make me jump out of my seats for the
[1:18:26] Speaker 3: athleticism that they show in run, Defense like he's. NOT
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: i Mean, micah who weirdly like would get criticized for
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: his run, defense is like that to, me And Jalen
[1:18:35] Speaker 3: walker's a little like that to me. Too so he
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: And lawrence you hurt. Me there were the two GUYS
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: i put at the. BOTTOM i was just, LIKE i
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: want them to be on this. List so if you
[1:18:43] Speaker 3: had not taken, him he was gonna be one of
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: my final two.
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: Picks but you took him.
[1:18:47] Speaker 3: Away And i'm gonna Take Boye mafey who's always been
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: one of my, favorites AND i appreciated that The bengals
[1:18:53] Speaker 3: contractually backed me up, There like he passes the eye.
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: TEST i went back and looked BECAUSE i THINK i
[1:19:00] Speaker 3: Remember mike McDonald said something about him, going you, know
[1:19:03] Speaker 3: into the Super, bowl and he, did and it was just,
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: like look of all of our pass, rushers he wins
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: the quick, Quickest like that is incredibly valuable for our
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: total pass rush. Plan, now after he signed that, contract
[1:19:14] Speaker 3: there was some reporting out Of seattle's like we love
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: boy a but like not a love. It, yeah not
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: at that. Level so that makes me a little cautious about.
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: It like his sack production went down from like nine
[1:19:28] Speaker 3: to six to two last.
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: YEAR i mean that is pretty.
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: Low but if you like the pass rush win, rate
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: you know he's he's gone, eighth, twelfth, Seventeenth so actually
[1:19:37] Speaker 3: in reverse, order he was top ten last year and
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: he's always been a top twenty. Guy and that that's
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: WHAT i, See, like that's that's WHAT i see WHEN
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: i watch, him just the movement, skills the ability to win,
[1:19:48] Speaker 3: Quickly like who wouldn't want a guy like?
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: That he to me is like that's AN nfl pass.
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: Rusher he's a certain type OF nfl pass, rusher but
[1:19:56] Speaker 3: he is AN nfl pass.
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: Rusher he Is he's one of those one note.
[1:19:59] Speaker 4: Guys it's all about the get, off which is WHY
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: i think The seahawks halted it, There, like, yeah you
[1:20:03] Speaker 4: need some initial burst off the balls somewhere across the
[1:20:06] Speaker 4: line of, scrimmage and he certainly brings. THAT i just
[1:20:08] Speaker 4: don't think he's that well rounded of a. PLAY i
[1:20:10] Speaker 4: really think it's if he doesn't beat you out of the,
[1:20:12] Speaker 4: cleats out of the, stance then it's it's a little
[1:20:15] Speaker 4: bit of a rap more than it should be for
[1:20:16] Speaker 4: someone off is like he's so physically, imposing you would
[1:20:19] Speaker 4: think there would be this real second surge and kind
[1:20:21] Speaker 4: of dig through and grind through the Rep most of
[1:20:23] Speaker 4: the wins are just straight clean wins or.
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: It's kind of a.
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: Rap, okay this is it for. You thirty one AND
[1:20:31] Speaker 3: i still have the. TEAMS i wonder if they who
[1:20:34] Speaker 3: have not got and, yeah one of THEM i alluded
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: to briefly your last, pick and we can mention the
[1:20:42] Speaker 3: after we're done who didn't get, drafted just as a
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: little honorable.
[1:20:45] Speaker 4: MENTION i have so many players to pick, from AND
[1:20:49] Speaker 4: i don't want to be disrespectful to about six, players
[1:20:51] Speaker 4: BUT i only have one pick.
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: Left then there's a shoot for the moon. Pick it's a.
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: Projection i'm gonna Take Reuben. Bain let's get.
[1:21:00] Speaker 4: Now this breaks my heart to not Have Khalil mack
[1:21:03] Speaker 4: on this, list And i'm gonna it's gonna eat me
[1:21:06] Speaker 4: alive for the next. Week SO i know that listeners
[1:21:08] Speaker 4: and when the graphic goes, up don't kill. Me but
[1:21:10] Speaker 4: we're we're projecting slightly. HERE i thought he was the
[1:21:13] Speaker 4: best passage from the. DRAFT i think he's walking into
[1:21:15] Speaker 4: the best possible. SITUATION i THINK i mentioned before about
[1:21:19] Speaker 4: what it looked like With Hassam reddick And darby as
[1:21:22] Speaker 4: a kind of a two man, tandem the skill set
[1:21:24] Speaker 4: to lining so. Well Ruben bad is just a better
[1:21:26] Speaker 4: version of, THAT i think Than Hassan redick at this
[1:21:28] Speaker 4: phase of his. Career SO i think he's gonna walk
[1:21:30] Speaker 4: in and be an absolutely down and down out, menace
[1:21:34] Speaker 4: and we're gonna look back at the end of the,
[1:21:36] Speaker 4: season go why did we not just think he would
[1:21:37] Speaker 4: be in the top twenty pastors in the league when
[1:21:39] Speaker 4: he walked in as the best pastors from the draft.
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: Just because it's such a such a grown man position
[1:21:46] Speaker 3: and you can step in and have an impact right.
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: Away but we've also seen a lot of the best
[1:21:53] Speaker 3: edge rushers kind of get halfway there their rookie, year
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: like the second half of the, season they start.
[1:21:59] Speaker 1: Coming you can see The Abdol.
[1:22:00] Speaker 3: Carter is a good example of it last, year and
[1:22:02] Speaker 3: so you know when you're comparing him just for this
[1:22:06] Speaker 3: year against some of the grown men that are on the, board.
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: Like Khalil, mack, YEAH i like. IT i like your
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: your plant and your.
[1:22:15] Speaker 3: FLAG i feel Bad mac actually was literally like the
[1:22:18] Speaker 3: last one off of my list. Too SHOULD i just
[1:22:21] Speaker 3: take him? Then BECAUSE i do Have montes sweat higher
[1:22:25] Speaker 3: some other players we could mention A dafeowa has not gotten.
[1:22:28] Speaker 3: Taken it's probably mold disrespectful to Put Khalil mack Behind
[1:22:33] Speaker 3: Reuben bain than it is to just Draft. No, ultimately
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: the fact that he Played mac under five hundred snaps
[1:22:41] Speaker 3: last year and then in each of the last two,
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: SEASONS i thought he's played at a really high, level
[1:22:46] Speaker 3: but he didn't maintain it the whole, time and so
[1:22:49] Speaker 3: that that to, me his age a little bit in
[1:22:52] Speaker 3: a way that the impacts WHERE i would take. Him
[1:22:56] Speaker 3: i've always been A Montes sweat, guy and this is
[1:22:58] Speaker 3: not like he's not coming off of his best. Season
[1:23:00] Speaker 3: his time to pressure is among the. Slowest he had
[1:23:04] Speaker 3: to play a lot more in, general he had a
[1:23:06] Speaker 3: lot more run. Stops because of, that he did play
[1:23:08] Speaker 3: pretty well at the end of the. Season he was
[1:23:10] Speaker 3: active in those playoff games for The. BEARS i think
[1:23:13] Speaker 3: he's earned his spot. Here i've never really been in
[1:23:16] Speaker 3: a DAFEO aa. Guy Van GINKEL i mentioned right at
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: the top is certainly an option. Here but here's the
[1:23:22] Speaker 3: thing With, Sweat LIKE i think he could get. Better,
[1:23:26] Speaker 3: still he's not past the point where he can pop up.
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: Again because if you told me he's how he was
[1:23:30] Speaker 3: two three years, ago he would be somewhere comfortably in
[1:23:34] Speaker 3: that like eighteen to twenty five. Range and he's still
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: a very good. Player why SHOULD i be apologizing for
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: Taking Montes sweat thirty.
[1:23:43] Speaker 4: TWO i think on this way is a good. PLAYER
[1:23:45] Speaker 4: i think even very good is overselling it. SLIGHTLY i
[1:23:48] Speaker 4: think he's a slow pass usher who relies on craft
[1:23:51] Speaker 4: and it isn't all that. Crafty it's about three moves
[1:23:54] Speaker 4: and the great ones lock him down because you can
[1:23:57] Speaker 4: be pretty dialed into what the plan.
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: Is strong, though like pretty good run, defender complete. PLAYER
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: i don't know.
[1:24:06] Speaker 4: COMPLEASE i think he can meet goal after in the run.
[1:24:10] Speaker 4: GAME i think he's really good on the end heavy.
[1:24:13] Speaker 4: END i want both people with all the, details but
[1:24:15] Speaker 4: you just line him up and, say, well doubling at.
[1:24:17] Speaker 1: YOU i think he can be worked pretty.
[1:24:19] Speaker 3: Comfortably, Okay so who are the people that should have
[1:24:23] Speaker 3: made it or that that hurt not to leave? It
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: dafay always stands out as a good free agent pick
[1:24:29] Speaker 3: up tenth and pass rush win. RATE i think if
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: push game to, SHOVE i would probably take him Over.
[1:24:33] Speaker 3: SWEAT i don't know WHY i just did, That Finn,
[1:24:36] Speaker 3: GINKLE i mentioned any other shouts you want to.
[1:24:39] Speaker 4: Give Jonathan, Cooper, yeah devastated we didn't Get Jonathan cooper
[1:24:43] Speaker 4: from The broncos in The Derek cole from The. Seahawks
[1:24:47] Speaker 4: it feels we only have one member of The seahawks.
[1:24:49] Speaker 4: In then it'd be Just DeMarcus. Lawrence you Picked Trayvon,
[1:24:53] Speaker 4: Walker George cole, loftus we didn't have him THE i
[1:24:55] Speaker 4: think he might.
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: Now he was close to. Me The jets didn't have.
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: ANYONE i, mean we could have Taken David, Bailey will,
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: McDonald Jermaine johnson are all good. Players if we were
[1:25:04] Speaker 3: doing the top forty, FIVE i think they're all on that,
[1:25:07] Speaker 3: list and so they they were one team that didn't have.
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: One you, Know i've got my eye on As iraku
[1:25:13] Speaker 3: for this. Year he didn't get close to me to
[1:25:16] Speaker 3: quite making the, list BUT i do, think you, know
[1:25:18] Speaker 3: it wouldn't shock.
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: ME i like As.
[1:25:19] Speaker 4: ARAKU i had as A roku full oftieth on my
[1:25:21] Speaker 4: bullet in case just like wiped, Out SO I reali
[1:25:24] Speaker 4: Like Asaku Novershan. GARY i think that that's that's unusual.
[1:25:28] Speaker 4: Fit if we done the last comple of, years he was.
[1:25:31] Speaker 3: Close Dallas turner is not on this. List quddy pay
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: is not on The osai if you're going, Deep but
[1:25:37] Speaker 3: that's for next year's. List we're going to be doing
[1:25:39] Speaker 3: this every. Year you're locked In.
[1:25:40] Speaker 4: Alex right from The. Browns, yeah it's a breakout. Player next,
[1:25:44] Speaker 4: year thirty second lock it.
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: In we're going With alex.
[1:25:47] Speaker 3: Right i'm trying to think of teams that didn't get.
[1:25:50] Speaker 3: Anyone The chiefs then didn't If carlaftis didn't. Go The
[1:25:54] Speaker 3: patriots didn't have AN Edg. Dresher Harold landry, WOULD i,
[1:26:00] Speaker 3: guess be the first one from that. Group The titans
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: did not have anyone. Taken so all of your fan
[1:26:07] Speaker 3: bases can come at, us Especially. Ali that's, it we did.
[1:26:12] Speaker 3: It let's get out of. Here let's have a great.
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: Weekend you what are you? Doing? Ali you doing any?
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: Boxing note? Boxing this.
[1:26:20] Speaker 4: WEEKEND i am looking after a. Puppy it is a
[1:26:23] Speaker 4: hallacious household when.
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: You have a new bone, puppy h a new. DAD
[1:26:27] Speaker 1: i love. IT i gotta. GO i gotta go talk
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: with my father in law right.
[1:26:31] Speaker 3: Now we'll be Back. MONDAY i mentioned a special Show Memorial.
[1:26:36] Speaker 3: Day really excited about. THIS i am talking To Chuck,
[1:26:38] Speaker 3: closterman one of my favorite thinkers. Writers he wrote a
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: book about. Football it's going to be a great conversation
[1:26:44] Speaker 3: that goes On, monday and then we back to the
[1:26:47] Speaker 3: normal shows On tuesday with one Of ali's best, Friends Will.
[1:26:51] Speaker 1: Gavin we'll see you, then

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