# 25 OTA Nugs: Aaron Donald's Future, Vikings QB Battle and Stocks We're Buying

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 10 Jun 2026, 41 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon get you up to date on everything you need to know from OTAs around the NFL including a possible Aaron Donald come back, L'Jarius Snead heading back to the Chiefs, Joel Bitonio retiring after 178 starts with the Browns, a look at the QB1 battle between Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy for the Vikings, the QB1 battle for the Browns between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, and the guys tell you who's stock their buying early. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where it's our favorite day of
[0:07] Speaker 1: the week, Patrick Claybone Day.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Thanks Greg.
[0:10] Speaker 3: I'm Greg Rosenthal.
[0:11] Speaker 1: I'm in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio next to a
[0:15] Speaker 1: well dressed man because he is hosting The Insiders on
[0:20] Speaker 1: NFL Network later today.
[0:23] Speaker 3: But this isn't the warm up back. This is your
[0:25] Speaker 3: main show.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Now, this is it.
[0:26] Speaker 4: This is what I got up for. This is this
[0:28] Speaker 4: is why the lights came on up here barely. You know,
[0:31] Speaker 4: it's a little dim in between tweet these ears. But
[0:34] Speaker 4: that's why that's.
[0:35] Speaker 1: Why everyone check out Patrick Good show Insiders.
[0:39] Speaker 3: He's got all all the insiders.
[0:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, the show is the show's the inside.
[0:43] Speaker 3: It's the Ian Rappaport, Judy.
[0:45] Speaker 1: But yeah, you can catch you boy, Patrick every day
[0:49] Speaker 1: these days on the on the Insiders.
[0:50] Speaker 4: It's the other property that I'm featured on that's named
[0:53] Speaker 4: after the people who that actually matter.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Stop stuff. It's a Newsy day. We are gonna recap
[1:00] Speaker 1: what's been going on. Look at a couple weeks. We're
[1:02] Speaker 1: gonna be missing these days where teams are still practicing.
[1:05] Speaker 1: It's just gonna be dead. I'm gonna go on vacation.
[1:07] Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Japan. We got about seventeen teams practicing.
[1:11] Speaker 1: For most of them it's their last practices of the
[1:15] Speaker 1: entire offseason. And so we're gonna fire through a bunch
[1:17] Speaker 1: of news and when we're gonna wrap up the show
[1:20] Speaker 1: with a brief segment just some players. We're buying stocking,
[1:23] Speaker 1: just some players that we've been eyeing that we are
[1:26] Speaker 1: buying proverbial stock, not literal stock. I don't know what
[1:30] Speaker 1: your thoughts are on the actual stock market.
[1:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of people rightfully concerned
[1:36] Speaker 4: with prediction markets, and I would like to point to
[1:39] Speaker 4: the prediction market that somehow dictates who gets to.
[1:42] Speaker 2: Eat and live in Oh. So yeah, those are my thoughts.
[1:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, people are big mad because the prediction market's got
[1:49] Speaker 1: Spencer Prattrong here in La.
[1:52] Speaker 3: Well you should have known what was coming west.
[1:54] Speaker 2: People are mad about everything.
[1:55] Speaker 1: But let's talk about Aaron Donald, one of my favorite
[1:59] Speaker 1: players to watch over my time here at NFL Network,
[2:03] Speaker 1: and we may get to do it even more. I
[2:06] Speaker 1: know Adam Schefter was only on the Pat McAfee show
[2:10] Speaker 1: kind of spinning a yarn, not exactly capital are reporting something.
[2:15] Speaker 1: But when he gets on the ESPN Airwaves one of
[2:18] Speaker 1: your colleagues now at ESPN Patrick, and he concludes his
[2:24] Speaker 1: summary of what's going on with Aaron Donald by saying,
[2:27] Speaker 1: he believes it's more than likely that Aaron Donald comes back.
[2:31] Speaker 3: My ears perk up. Now.
[2:33] Speaker 1: His reasoning for that was essentially, no one's saying no,
[2:36] Speaker 1: which I've been noticing too, And I wasn't bold enough
[2:39] Speaker 1: to say to connect the dots like he does. I'm
[2:42] Speaker 1: sure he knows even more. And he says, Look, I
[2:44] Speaker 1: don't have anyone who's telling me that this is going
[2:46] Speaker 1: to happen. But if they're not saying at this point
[2:49] Speaker 1: that he's not coming back, I think when they present
[2:52] Speaker 1: a particular plan to him, if it's a plan that
[2:56] Speaker 1: he would be amenable to. Now, I assume that includes
[2:59] Speaker 1: the finances of the plan perhaps when he comes back,
[3:02] Speaker 1: and how much he needs to do to get ready
[3:03] Speaker 1: to get back.
[3:04] Speaker 3: That's all factors.
[3:05] Speaker 1: He believes from what he knows that Aaron Donald will
[3:10] Speaker 1: ultimately be putting on that uniform again, which is pretty crazy.
[3:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exciting. He's one of the best players in
[3:16] Speaker 4: the history of the National Football League. He ultimately did
[3:19] Speaker 4: decide to stop playing football and So that is Aaron
[3:22] Speaker 4: Donald to me saying I don't want to play football anymore.
[3:26] Speaker 4: And you know, you mentioned the fact that we are
[3:28] Speaker 4: underneath the same employment umbrella.
[3:30] Speaker 2: I appreciate the work and everybody provides.
[3:32] Speaker 4: But unless Aaron Donald is saying I would like to
[3:36] Speaker 4: come back and play football, I'm going to take my
[3:38] Speaker 4: basis in the reality of this based on his previous statement,
[3:42] Speaker 4: which has been true for multiple years now that he's
[3:44] Speaker 4: no longer playing for me.
[3:45] Speaker 3: I hear that.
[3:46] Speaker 1: But when people have been asking, he said, yeah, I
[3:48] Speaker 1: think he's essentially been saying nothing about it.
[3:50] Speaker 3: And when I went up, there's.
[3:51] Speaker 2: Fun for people to flirt with you, like you're at
[3:54] Speaker 2: the gym.
[3:54] Speaker 4: Yah, maybe your ring's not on because you want to
[3:56] Speaker 4: be practicing safe work and somebody comes up and flirts
[3:59] Speaker 4: with you or you know that.
[4:01] Speaker 1: Only had this is such a Patrick question? Is this
[4:04] Speaker 1: has never happened to me? This is never obviously happening
[4:08] Speaker 1: to you all the time.
[4:09] Speaker 2: Well, you know, do you wear your ring when you're
[4:11] Speaker 2: playing tennis?
[4:12] Speaker 3: I wear my ring. I never take it off exactly.
[4:14] Speaker 4: And so it's been perhaps it's been a long time
[4:17] Speaker 4: since a person has been like, oh, that person is single.
[4:19] Speaker 2: I'm very attracted and it's fun.
[4:22] Speaker 4: Right if somebody were gonna come up and be like
[4:23] Speaker 4: Greg Rosenthal so attractive, and you're gonna be like no,
[4:27] Speaker 4: maybe Aaron Donald doesn't feel like he needs to say
[4:29] Speaker 4: no right now.
[4:31] Speaker 3: I hear you.
[4:31] Speaker 1: I had an old boss at NBC who, for the
[4:34] Speaker 1: first five or six years after I left NBC for NFL,
[4:37] Speaker 1: would always kind of be offering me my job back
[4:40] Speaker 1: or offering you flirting that fell.
[4:42] Speaker 3: But after a while.
[4:43] Speaker 1: Then he just kind of went. It just went away.
[4:45] Speaker 1: You know, you say no too many times? No one,
[4:47] Speaker 1: No one's coming up to me in the gym. I
[4:49] Speaker 1: think either way, whether I got the whether I got
[4:51] Speaker 1: this on or not. I'm five six rounding up stop,
[4:56] Speaker 1: height does not matter, I hope not. I don't think
[4:58] Speaker 1: you gotta yeah, you just gotta. You gotta be confident.
[5:01] Speaker 1: You got to create that connection.
[5:04] Speaker 2: Sorry for being silly.
[5:06] Speaker 1: I know I appreciate it. Let's talk about something that's
[5:10] Speaker 1: not silly. Hard curve here rams tackle. Since while we're
[5:14] Speaker 1: talking Rams, Alaric Jackson was arrested for a felony domestic
[5:19] Speaker 1: violence charge extremely serious. It is worth noting that Alerc
[5:26] Speaker 1: Jackson has previously faced a suspension from the league for
[5:32] Speaker 1: an incident back in two thousand and three. That incident,
[5:37] Speaker 1: he was accused of taping a sexual act without consent,
[5:43] Speaker 1: and that was why he was suspended. So I do
[5:46] Speaker 1: think that is context for what happened in this case.
[5:51] Speaker 1: The specific charges are suspicion of domestic battery. According to
[5:55] Speaker 1: the LA PD. He's a twenty seven year old, six
[5:58] Speaker 1: year veteran who signed a pretty big contract about a
[6:01] Speaker 1: year ago with the Rams. He's their left tackle, obviously
[6:04] Speaker 1: an important person in their organization, and we'll be tracking
[6:07] Speaker 1: that story. But I think it's fair to wonder what
[6:10] Speaker 1: his future is going to be. Another player who unfortunately
[6:14] Speaker 1: has had had some issues, I would say with law
[6:17] Speaker 1: enforcement over the years of Lagarius Snead last on the Titans,
[6:21] Speaker 1: He's now going to be rejoining the member of the
[6:23] Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, the same team that traded him away
[6:28] Speaker 1: for a second round pick and then he got a
[6:31] Speaker 1: big contract from Tennessee. Did not work out, wasn't healthy,
[6:34] Speaker 1: there wasn't good on the field there. Now he returns
[6:37] Speaker 1: to Kansas City, where he played his best ball under
[6:41] Speaker 1: Steve Spagnola.
[6:42] Speaker 4: The master plan comes into play where you've got the
[6:46] Speaker 4: half of their secondary starting for the La Rams. They
[6:49] Speaker 4: get compensation for that. You wonder what they're going to
[6:51] Speaker 4: do at the cornerback position. They get Mansell Delaine early on.
[6:55] Speaker 4: And the answer to the other side question is a
[6:57] Speaker 4: player that Spags knows and has executed well in the
[7:01] Speaker 4: system before.
[7:02] Speaker 2: It's look at the Chiefs. They're right back to doing
[7:05] Speaker 2: what the Chiefs do.
[7:06] Speaker 1: It's very not to bring everything back to the Patriots,
[7:09] Speaker 1: but I just feel like this would be something that
[7:11] Speaker 1: happened a lot during their dynastic run, and I do
[7:14] Speaker 1: consider the Chiefs still in the middle of a dynastic
[7:16] Speaker 1: run until proven otherwise for multiple straight years. I expect
[7:20] Speaker 1: them to be hosting a playoff game of some sort
[7:22] Speaker 1: this year more than likely. Yeah, they would like have
[7:26] Speaker 1: guys get paid else where it didn't work out for
[7:28] Speaker 1: whatever reason, and then they'd welcome back into the fold
[7:30] Speaker 1: and you get Jamie Collins two point zero or you know,
[7:32] Speaker 1: Beannoy two point oh, and it worked great the second
[7:34] Speaker 1: time round.
[7:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:35] Speaker 4: The parallels, of course, having one of the five best quarterbacks.
[7:38] Speaker 1: In the right and having I think the parallels here
[7:42] Speaker 1: would be between Spegnolo and Bill Belichick who maximized I
[7:47] Speaker 1: think players into what they do best and focus on that.
[7:51] Speaker 1: So now you look at their cornerback situation, which I
[7:52] Speaker 1: thought was was quite thin. Noah Williams, Lugarious need you
[7:56] Speaker 1: mentioned some of these names, mansword Delane, but also a
[7:58] Speaker 1: fourth round pick, A lot of people like Jaden Kennedy
[8:00] Speaker 1: and Cater kohu Is at nickelback who I kind of like,
[8:03] Speaker 1: Christian Fulton is now kind of a reserve despite making
[8:06] Speaker 1: a lot of money and has had some good snaps
[8:09] Speaker 1: and suddenly like, I bet that's going to be a
[8:12] Speaker 1: more than good enough secondary. Let's talk about a player
[8:14] Speaker 1: that is stepping away like Aaron Donald did while he
[8:18] Speaker 1: can still play. Joel Potonio has had some injuries in
[8:21] Speaker 1: recent years, and he announced to what a lot of
[8:24] Speaker 1: Browns fans thought what was coming. He is retiring from
[8:29] Speaker 1: the game. One of the best guards of his generation.
[8:33] Speaker 1: Joel Botonio twelve years in the NFL. Pretty cool that
[8:38] Speaker 1: he did it all with the Browns. He made a
[8:41] Speaker 1: couple All Pro teams over the years, seven Pro Bowls,
[8:45] Speaker 1: but two first team All pros. I mean that is
[8:48] Speaker 1: real deal stuff, and I believe a second team or two.
[8:51] Speaker 1: So he's gonna have a Hall of Fame case at
[8:53] Speaker 1: some point when when we're talking about possible guards making
[8:56] Speaker 1: it to can.
[8:57] Speaker 4: And he had a streak of one hundred and two
[8:59] Speaker 4: consecutive starts, which maybe ultimately wasn't that great for him
[9:03] Speaker 4: in the long run, and he tried to have arthroscopic
[9:06] Speaker 4: and surgery and then a bye week and then come
[9:07] Speaker 4: back and play.
[9:08] Speaker 2: It ultimately didn't work out.
[9:09] Speaker 4: But if we're talking about people that maybe less need
[9:11] Speaker 4: will be on the phone with never retired, I'm looking
[9:15] Speaker 4: at this one.
[9:16] Speaker 3: That's a totally fair guess. Potonio.
[9:19] Speaker 1: Though, the way his statement was to the Browns fans,
[9:23] Speaker 1: I think it really meant a lot to him. He
[9:25] Speaker 1: of course had a model in Joe Thomas of what
[9:28] Speaker 1: kind of career he had, and he said, when he
[9:31] Speaker 1: entered the league, you know, Thomas is on that ten
[9:34] Speaker 1: thousand snapstreak, and I forget who the other offensive lineman was.
[9:40] Speaker 1: There was on like a six that, you know, a
[9:42] Speaker 1: five to six thousand snap streak. And he said the
[9:44] Speaker 1: expectation was he literally was not going to miss a snap,
[9:47] Speaker 1: and then he went out and did it. He went
[9:49] Speaker 1: over six thousand something straight snap so incredible culture that
[9:53] Speaker 1: Joe Thomas was part of. And those offensive lines with Potonio.
[9:57] Speaker 1: The Browns teams weren't great always, although they popped up
[9:59] Speaker 1: and ad some fun offenses. Yeah, among the best offensive
[10:03] Speaker 1: lines in the NFL over the last ten years. So
[10:06] Speaker 1: happy trails to Joel Buttonio. A guy who just keeps
[10:10] Speaker 1: playing year after year and playing at a high level
[10:14] Speaker 1: is Kaleis Campbell. Let's listen to him talk about his
[10:20] Speaker 1: return to Baltimore and what could be ahead.
[10:22] Speaker 5: I always tell myself, you know, and this year, I
[10:25] Speaker 5: feel like, you know, as strongly as ever you know
[10:28] Speaker 5: that this is probably gonna be my last year. I
[10:30] Speaker 5: know I said that last year in the year before,
[10:32] Speaker 5: but I mean, I genuinely mean at the time. But
[10:34] Speaker 5: I always tell myself to play well enough to be
[10:37] Speaker 5: able to get a job again if I want to.
[10:39] Speaker 5: So if I perform out, go out there and perform
[10:40] Speaker 5: to the level I want to play, then I'm probably
[10:42] Speaker 5: gonna have to turn somebody down next year.
[10:43] Speaker 2: And that's the ideal scenario.
[10:44] Speaker 5: If I can have a chance to play well enough
[10:47] Speaker 5: for their one megion next year, and I gotta tell them no,
[10:49] Speaker 5: and then at that time we'll decide if there's you know,
[10:51] Speaker 5: if I want to play again or not. But as
[10:52] Speaker 5: of right now, I'm playing the years if it's my
[10:54] Speaker 5: last year.
[10:55] Speaker 3: Life lessons there.
[10:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, if the number works for you and you feel
[10:59] Speaker 4: ok enough, go ahead and say keep saying.
[11:02] Speaker 1: Yes and that it's fun, right I Football compared to
[11:06] Speaker 1: some other I think just because it's so physical, at
[11:08] Speaker 1: least for some players. Obviously they love the sport and
[11:12] Speaker 1: that you have to love the physicality on some level
[11:14] Speaker 1: to get into. But I think some of them are
[11:15] Speaker 1: just tired of it after a while. Kalaius Campbell taking
[11:18] Speaker 1: a lot of pounding. Granted he's delivering a lot of
[11:20] Speaker 1: the pounding, but he seems to just welcome it.
[11:24] Speaker 3: Maybe maybe when you're six.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Foot seven and three hundred and twenty five pounds, is
[11:27] Speaker 1: that's somehow easier.
[11:28] Speaker 3: But usually it isn't easier.
[11:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, But he also is a great person who facilitates
[11:31] Speaker 4: great relationships, probably players and coaches, and so he's never
[11:35] Speaker 4: been in a situation where it's like, you know what
[11:38] Speaker 4: I'd like to not be. He's picking the people he
[11:40] Speaker 4: gets to be around every single year at this point,
[11:43] Speaker 4: so he gets to keep doing that.
[11:45] Speaker 1: So do you take the wedding ring off, like before
[11:48] Speaker 1: you leave for the gym, or you put it in
[11:50] Speaker 1: the locker or what's going on for it's all me
[11:53] Speaker 1: and Laren knows this what that you're doing this thing?
[11:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, because I showed her video of like what happens
[11:59] Speaker 4: sometimes like car slippage and people. I forget the name
[12:03] Speaker 4: of what happens, but go ahead and like google it
[12:07] Speaker 4: because the name is visceral enough and no thanks, I
[12:10] Speaker 4: want to keep this digit. I want to go in
[12:12] Speaker 4: the dirt with ten of these things.
[12:13] Speaker 3: Okay, but you notice the interest level picks up.
[12:17] Speaker 4: A little bit, No, because it's a bright it's a
[12:20] Speaker 4: bright tan, Like it's very obvious that that there's a
[12:23] Speaker 4: ring that lives here.
[12:24] Speaker 1: I I didn't start going to the gym in my
[12:27] Speaker 1: entire life and never literally had never lifted a weight,
[12:29] Speaker 1: which is shocking when.
[12:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, because considering like the physicality was so.
[12:33] Speaker 1: Huge until about three years ago. So I'm I'm just trying.
[12:37] Speaker 1: I'm just trying to catch up here, You're not behind.
[12:40] Speaker 1: John Robinson is in contract talks with the Atlanta Falcons.
[12:44] Speaker 1: Per Dan Graziano of ESPN, they asked him about whether
[12:48] Speaker 1: he's going to be the next guy to sign, and
[12:51] Speaker 1: he said, with a big smile, we'll see. It was
[12:53] Speaker 1: one of those responses and I think he wouldn't have
[12:56] Speaker 1: maybe mentioned it publicly if they weren't on the right path.
[12:59] Speaker 3: I'm curious.
[13:00] Speaker 1: I assume it'll be the highest paid running back in
[13:02] Speaker 1: the history of the game. It is interesting to think
[13:04] Speaker 1: about how much money Drake London just got, like one
[13:07] Speaker 1: hundred million dollars guaranteed. And I know the positions are different,
[13:10] Speaker 1: but I do think if there is a player that
[13:14] Speaker 1: is going to change the pay scale for an entire position,
[13:17] Speaker 1: that player could be Bejon Robinson.
[13:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, and he may be behooved depending on what their
[13:22] Speaker 4: offer is. To wait and see what Jamiir gets, if
[13:25] Speaker 4: the Lions are willing, if Brad Holmes and Jamiir Gibbs
[13:27] Speaker 4: in his camp are willing to do that beforehand, but
[13:30] Speaker 4: if the offer is good, and I think it should
[13:32] Speaker 4: be like in terms of a player's a position, player's
[13:35] Speaker 4: importance to a particular offense, Robinson.
[13:38] Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing his team, like both gms that
[13:41] Speaker 1: he's had. I was like, oh, yeah, that's the best
[13:42] Speaker 1: player in football, and just in terms of quote unquote
[13:47] Speaker 1: value as great as Drake London is, and Drake London
[13:50] Speaker 1: is fairly compensated as essentially a top five receiver in
[13:53] Speaker 1: the NFL top five to ten, John Robinson's more valuable.
[13:57] Speaker 1: So how are you going to tell me that you're
[13:58] Speaker 1: going to pay Robinson like two thirds of Drake London?
[14:02] Speaker 3: Doesn't make much sense to me.
[14:03] Speaker 1: And that's why I do think he's gonna break the
[14:06] Speaker 1: scale a little bit in terms of what running backs
[14:08] Speaker 1: have made before, and that'll be a great thing.
[14:10] Speaker 4: Ten point four yards of catch last season outragious at
[14:13] Speaker 4: running back.
[14:13] Speaker 2: Come on.
[14:15] Speaker 1: So my version, I guess of getting noticed, you know,
[14:17] Speaker 1: at the gym by the ladies, we just never happened.
[14:23] Speaker 1: I have noticed. I was talking about this with Eric,
[14:25] Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if you have a theory for whatever reason.
[14:30] Speaker 1: And Shook has has experiences too going to these Cavs
[14:33] Speaker 1: games in the playoffs. We're getting noticed more in public
[14:37] Speaker 1: lately for NFL Daily at least I am, and Shook
[14:40] Speaker 1: was getting it a lot too going to these games.
[14:42] Speaker 1: He says, it keeps happening, and in general, in my
[14:44] Speaker 1: time as a podcaster, it's a pretty rare occurrence unless
[14:49] Speaker 1: you're overseas. That that that's a little different for whatever reason,
[14:53] Speaker 1: the London crew is different. But if you're just like
[14:55] Speaker 1: walking around with your kids in Los Angeles getting recognized
[14:59] Speaker 1: for or your podcasting NFL podcasting, I would have said
[15:03] Speaker 1: that was like a twice a year thing. Maybe lately,
[15:08] Speaker 1: last six months or so, it's like a twice a
[15:11] Speaker 1: month thing, maybe more.
[15:13] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[15:14] Speaker 1: That's about that, what's changed, what's happening.
[15:17] Speaker 4: I would say all personal data is anecdotal, and so
[15:22] Speaker 4: probably a lot of things.
[15:23] Speaker 1: If we're gonna say, I think it's more meaningful, no
[15:26] Speaker 1: good sample size.
[15:27] Speaker 4: I think right, the connections that you build with people
[15:30] Speaker 4: through this podcast have facilitated a place where they are
[15:35] Speaker 4: more likely to say, oh, hey, Greg, it's good to
[15:38] Speaker 4: see you with your kids, whereas some people if they
[15:41] Speaker 4: saw you probably get recognized all the time. Especially Shook
[15:44] Speaker 4: is one of the most imposing people on that.
[15:46] Speaker 3: He is very recognizable and it look like a lot
[15:48] Speaker 3: of people.
[15:49] Speaker 4: And so like, how comfortable is somebody saying, oh, hey, Greg, okay,
[15:54] Speaker 4: like thanks for doing the podcast or whatever. People say
[15:58] Speaker 4: because you're you're an approachable guy and they feel comfortable there.
[16:02] Speaker 3: It's a testament to I know, I appreciate it and
[16:05] Speaker 3: I like it.
[16:05] Speaker 1: Shout out to the Seahawks fan I just saw last
[16:08] Speaker 1: week who came up and it was on the Miles
[16:10] Speaker 1: Garrett Day trade and came up said he was having
[16:12] Speaker 1: a tough day because that Miles Garrett traded. He impressed
[16:15] Speaker 1: my daughter by saying hi, because she was with me.
[16:17] Speaker 1: We were on the way to the grocery store. And
[16:19] Speaker 1: but not I I don't think it's that. My theory
[16:22] Speaker 1: is actually the NFL channel, So let me know. I mean,
[16:24] Speaker 1: and if you see me, say say hi. But I
[16:26] Speaker 1: don't know it's this NFL channel, the Fast Network. Yeah,
[16:29] Speaker 1: the show does have my name and they have these
[16:31] Speaker 1: little uh these little things on the bottom the graphics
[16:34] Speaker 1: and stuff pop up. I'm thinking that's it more because
[16:36] Speaker 1: the most I've ever been recognized in my life was
[16:40] Speaker 1: when I was one half of a lot of Tiktoks
[16:44] Speaker 1: and Anthony Justin next TikTok when we were doing that
[16:47] Speaker 1: podcast together. I would get recognized for that and people
[16:49] Speaker 1: would just be like Hi, I recond like they would
[16:50] Speaker 1: recognize it.
[16:51] Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I'm the other guy.
[16:53] Speaker 1: I'm on the other half of the Anthony Justin like
[16:55] Speaker 1: tiktoks that you're watching and that was it, but that
[16:58] Speaker 1: those have gone away.
[16:59] Speaker 3: I think it's this. I don't know.
[17:01] Speaker 4: I don't know, and it matters. I missed the NFL channel.
[17:04] Speaker 4: I missed the NFL channel.
[17:06] Speaker 3: We'll be back on it. Oh you're not going to
[17:07] Speaker 3: be on it.
[17:08] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[17:09] Speaker 3: We can get all these things channelshy live.
[17:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're definitely gonna have, you know, for people that
[17:14] Speaker 1: are into the NFL channel, NFL Daily. Back on the
[17:16] Speaker 1: NFL channel regularly once we get closer to the season.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Let's fly through these news. I'm just wasting time on
[17:21] Speaker 1: a day. You got to get to work.
[17:23] Speaker 2: Now, we're good. Love it.
[17:24] Speaker 1: Josh Sweat showed up for Mini camp. He had been
[17:27] Speaker 1: missing work that wasn't mandatory earlier. Now he's there now
[17:30] Speaker 1: it's mandatory. Same with Jacobe Presett mentioned that earlier. Some
[17:33] Speaker 1: injuries this week. Abdull Carter, the great pass rusher for
[17:36] Speaker 1: the Giants, suffered an ankle injury. They don't believe it
[17:38] Speaker 1: to be serious. Gabe Yakis, the second round pick is
[17:42] Speaker 1: going to be really important, I think for the Patriots
[17:43] Speaker 1: pass rush had a procedure out of Mini camp not
[17:46] Speaker 1: being seen Mason Graham is in a walking boot the
[17:49] Speaker 1: Browns defensive tackle.
[17:50] Speaker 3: That's not great.
[17:51] Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon, who you know, it's a it's an Ota
[17:54] Speaker 1: Mini camp injury, but because it's Kyler Gordon, who's just
[17:57] Speaker 1: always been hurt, not been seen because he's been heard
[17:59] Speaker 1: of Mini camp. So just some injuries that I found notable.
[18:02] Speaker 1: There's obviously more at Mini caamp. Tech McMillan, for instance,
[18:05] Speaker 1: has not been doing team drills, but he's out there.
[18:06] Speaker 1: It doesn't seem that big with you. Let's just get
[18:08] Speaker 1: into some of the just mini camp, like, say, what's happening?
[18:12] Speaker 1: This is this feels like a mini camp story.
[18:14] Speaker 2: Okay.
[18:15] Speaker 1: But Nick Underhill, who covers that Saints team about as
[18:20] Speaker 1: well as any Beat writer out there, has said that
[18:23] Speaker 1: Jalen Polk has looked incredible, and he said it wouldn't
[18:28] Speaker 1: be out of bounds to for someone to kind of
[18:31] Speaker 1: make the take of like Jalen Polk at this rate,
[18:35] Speaker 1: could be their wide receiver three like past Devon Vley
[18:38] Speaker 1: end up having a pretty significant role. Could we get
[18:42] Speaker 1: the Polka Sons a second high second round pick from
[18:45] Speaker 1: the Patriots who washed out there? And I never understood it.
[18:48] Speaker 1: I thought he was a great, great prospect, and he
[18:51] Speaker 1: was as you know, as unproductive as the second round
[18:54] Speaker 1: high second round pick ever is.
[18:56] Speaker 3: Maybe it's the Polka Sons.
[18:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if beating out von Vylor qualifies
[19:01] Speaker 4: as a soance if we can get that in the
[19:03] Speaker 4: songs rakings, but if Nick's excited about you know, there's
[19:06] Speaker 4: there's a reason for it, and I think there is
[19:08] Speaker 4: a need for a solid three there potential two.
[19:12] Speaker 3: You know, they were kind of laughing about it.
[19:14] Speaker 1: It was him and Mike Triplett used to be at
[19:15] Speaker 1: ASPN who now works with Nick and uh, but they
[19:19] Speaker 1: were just like, it's kind of crazy how Jalen Polk
[19:21] Speaker 1: is just like wow in us every day.
[19:25] Speaker 3: So we'll see. This could be one of those OT stories.
[19:27] Speaker 3: Just something to watch.
[19:29] Speaker 1: Malik Willis. I've noticed, for whatever reason, the Dolphins coaching
[19:35] Speaker 1: staff and even the reporters covering the team have noticed, like, look,
[19:38] Speaker 1: it's been They've had some difficulties early in the OTA
[19:41] Speaker 1: Mini camp season. They actually had their mini mandatory mini
[19:44] Speaker 1: camp last week. Jeff Hafley talked about Malik Willis and
[19:47] Speaker 1: his development on Tuesday.
[19:50] Speaker 6: They're more comfortable within the scheme they've taken more command
[19:55] Speaker 6: of the huddle, they've taken more command when they're out
[19:58] Speaker 6: there with the wide outs.
[20:00] Speaker 2: Confidence.
[20:02] Speaker 6: I've seen the confidence grow. And you know, even the
[20:04] Speaker 6: conversation I have with Maleigue today walking down the hallway,
[20:07] Speaker 6: you can just see, you know, he's more comfortable and
[20:11] Speaker 6: he understands the answers that are being provided for him
[20:13] Speaker 6: on each play. And I just I think he looks
[20:17] Speaker 6: as good as he looks since I've known him.
[20:20] Speaker 1: So Malik will Yeah, they were kind of saying it
[20:22] Speaker 1: was taking him a little bit to pick up this
[20:24] Speaker 1: new system. And I wouldn't say they were negging him,
[20:26] Speaker 1: but it was kind of clear that maybe he was
[20:28] Speaker 1: having some early struggles. Not a big deal in Ota.
[20:30] Speaker 1: So that's just nice to hear about my number one
[20:32] Speaker 1: overall free.
[20:32] Speaker 4: Agent of Yeah, he's leaving the friendly confines of the tree.
[20:36] Speaker 4: He's stepping out on his own and we'll see how
[20:40] Speaker 4: things look. You know, more concerned about the team around him,
[20:42] Speaker 4: honestly than Milik Willis.
[20:44] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they it is crazy.
[20:46] Speaker 1: But the thing that I think hasn't been talked about
[20:48] Speaker 1: enough with the Dolphins is that Bobby Slowik is their
[20:50] Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, was a little bit of fiasco his last
[20:54] Speaker 1: tenure with the Texans. So we'll see Vikings giant. I mean,
[20:58] Speaker 1: the quarterback battle has been really taking the nation by storm.
[21:04] Speaker 1: Let's listen to Kyler Murray. We have both Kyler Murray
[21:07] Speaker 1: and JJ McCarthy, but we're gonna start with Kyler Murray.
[21:11] Speaker 1: It's a new situation for him because essentially when he
[21:14] Speaker 1: arrived in Arizona, he's the number one overall pick.
[21:17] Speaker 3: He was the guy. This is different right now he
[21:19] Speaker 3: is in a competition.
[21:21] Speaker 7: I think the toughest part is again, I was there
[21:23] Speaker 7: for seven years. I know I had two different you know,
[21:25] Speaker 7: offensive systems, but at the same time, you're getting all
[21:28] Speaker 7: those reps, you know, now having the split reps, it's
[21:33] Speaker 7: me already being behind, not getting the amount of reps
[21:35] Speaker 7: that you know, you would typically want a guy to get.
[21:38] Speaker 7: Learning an offense, that's probably the toughest part, you know,
[21:41] Speaker 7: just again going back to the past, being in control
[21:43] Speaker 7: of everything, understanding what we were already doing because I
[21:46] Speaker 7: was comfortable within the system. Now coming to the new system,
[21:48] Speaker 7: learning on the flo trying to play fast, efficient and
[21:51] Speaker 7: then let let it loose while learning is pretty you know,
[21:54] Speaker 7: That's the that's the toughest part.
[21:56] Speaker 3: I can think of one way to open up some
[21:58] Speaker 3: snaps to them. I actually get think got two ways.
[22:00] Speaker 1: One of them would be trading JJ McCarthy, who was
[22:04] Speaker 1: asked about that possibility. It's been bandied about in the
[22:08] Speaker 1: Twin Cities.
[22:08] Speaker 8: Since the end of last season until now with all
[22:11] Speaker 8: the quarterback changes that have already happened, that you've thought
[22:15] Speaker 8: about and trade or thought about the possibility of if
[22:18] Speaker 8: you wanted to be traded.
[22:20] Speaker 9: I think I made it very clear I wanted to
[22:22] Speaker 9: be here before I got here, and I love this organization.
[22:25] Speaker 9: I love the coaching staff. I absolutely love these players
[22:28] Speaker 9: to death. This is where I want to be. You know,
[22:29] Speaker 9: I feel like I can thrive in this system. And
[22:32] Speaker 9: you know it's just, you know, everything played out exactly how.
[22:35] Speaker 2: I wanted it.
[22:36] Speaker 9: I wouldn't want anything else to change.
[22:38] Speaker 4: Doesn't want to change anything, maybe the outcomes of some games.
[22:43] Speaker 2: It's a tough spot. It's a tough spot for JJ.
[22:46] Speaker 4: I could tell he's trying to have a good attitude
[22:47] Speaker 4: to make the right faces and say the right things
[22:50] Speaker 4: after he kind of got drug through the mud for
[22:52] Speaker 4: a like an awkward SoundBite about this quarterback competition, but
[22:59] Speaker 4: he wants to be there. He wants to say the
[23:01] Speaker 4: right thing, which is, you know, not really a value
[23:04] Speaker 4: add to me.
[23:05] Speaker 1: I think that Carson Wentz of it all is a
[23:07] Speaker 1: bigger factor than people understand that. Because Carson Wentz is
[23:11] Speaker 1: there just as the backup, a trade does kind of
[23:13] Speaker 1: make sense to me, But I don't think the timing
[23:15] Speaker 1: of it would really make sense, probably till the middle
[23:17] Speaker 1: of training camp. Other teams need to see what they have,
[23:20] Speaker 1: what their needs are. Maybe there's an injury, maybe you know,
[23:24] Speaker 1: maybe they get to see JJ play a little bit
[23:25] Speaker 1: in the preseason. They're gonna start giving more reps to
[23:28] Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, is what I would My two options would be,
[23:31] Speaker 1: you trade Kyl, you trade JJ McCarthy, or.
[23:34] Speaker 3: You just start giving the reps to Kyler Murray.
[23:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't Kyler's first rodeo. I think there was
[23:37] Speaker 4: a methodology behind saying that and highlighting Look, if we're
[23:41] Speaker 4: doing this, if you're thinking about trading JJ, why are
[23:43] Speaker 4: we doing this Dog and pony dance.
[23:45] Speaker 2: Let's get ready for the twenty twenty sixth season.
[23:47] Speaker 1: The Panthers are getting ready with their mandatory mini camp.
[23:49] Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. Our colleague Cam Wolf noted
[23:55] Speaker 1: that the Panthers have high hopes for Jonathan Brooks, the
[23:57] Speaker 1: second round pick who's really at all time because of
[24:01] Speaker 1: multiple knee injuries over the last couple of years. Was
[24:03] Speaker 1: coming off in ACL coming into the NFL, then had
[24:06] Speaker 1: another one almost right away. But he believes that Brooks
[24:10] Speaker 1: could be the lead back there in Carolina, which would
[24:13] Speaker 1: shake up some fantasy drafts. And even at Mini camp,
[24:17] Speaker 1: I noticed he took the first first rep in first
[24:21] Speaker 1: team drills over Cuba Hrbard.
[24:23] Speaker 3: So I think that's maybe a kind of telling the
[24:25] Speaker 3: young kid.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Look, you've worked out hard, like you've worked hard to
[24:28] Speaker 1: get back to this point.
[24:29] Speaker 3: We have high hopes. Here's your opportunity.
[24:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, and hopefully things do work out. And it seems
[24:34] Speaker 4: like it's better for Cuba when they do split time.
[24:37] Speaker 4: I think it makes the offense work a little better
[24:39] Speaker 4: and it allows coach Canalis to call, you know, particularly
[24:44] Speaker 4: what he likes with these guys involved.
[24:46] Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're the host of the longest running network
[24:51] Speaker 1: fantasy show.
[24:53] Speaker 3: On TV.
[24:54] Speaker 1: I mean it's just a fact. Yeah, where are you
[24:57] Speaker 1: drafting these two guys?
[24:59] Speaker 4: I would draft Cuba ahead of Jonathan Brooks. I think
[25:03] Speaker 4: involvement in the past.
[25:04] Speaker 3: Game that like ninth round, eighth round, sixth round.
[25:08] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Tuba's coming off the board with starters. To
[25:11] Speaker 4: me late like he would be RB, he'd be in
[25:16] Speaker 4: the top twenty five.
[25:18] Speaker 3: Okay, RB's bullish. You're buying a little stocky Brooks.
[25:22] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna say bullish.
[25:23] Speaker 4: They have him RB twenty five, but like i'd have
[25:26] Speaker 4: Brooks significantly lower, maybe in the mid thirties.
[25:28] Speaker 1: Risky, but I think some fantasy heads are going to
[25:32] Speaker 1: get over their skis with Brooks and kind of bet
[25:34] Speaker 1: on that, so we do.
[25:35] Speaker 3: That's ceiling.
[25:36] Speaker 1: Kim Skataboo is a guy I have been stunned by
[25:39] Speaker 1: how high his average AFT position is, Like it blew
[25:42] Speaker 1: my mind. I haven't looked at anything, but I just
[25:44] Speaker 1: saw a tweet about it that he was getting taken
[25:46] Speaker 1: in like the top twenty over picks. He's coming off
[25:48] Speaker 1: a devastating knee injury, one so bad that I just
[25:53] Speaker 1: didn't expect him to even be ready for this season.
[25:55] Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, if you're watching us on YouTube,
[25:57] Speaker 1: thank you, and you can see uh some of the
[26:00] Speaker 1: work he's out there doing he's been moving around. There's
[26:04] Speaker 1: different videos of different drills where he is moving pretty well.
[26:07] Speaker 1: He's doing the seven on seven some of the team drills.
[26:10] Speaker 1: The video that we have for you, you don't see
[26:12] Speaker 1: as as much we're enjoying it.
[26:15] Speaker 3: But he's making some moves kids, Kataboo.
[26:20] Speaker 1: It seems more positive than I would have expected at
[26:22] Speaker 1: this time of years.
[26:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, and a very violent runner of the football, which
[26:26] Speaker 4: makes me think, you know, maybe take your time. But
[26:29] Speaker 4: he's again, he's never shied away from contact or violence
[26:33] Speaker 4: or putting his body through a lot.
[26:35] Speaker 3: So here's here's my take.
[26:37] Speaker 1: Do not draft camp stabs Gattaboo anywhere near where his draft.
[26:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, currently I would leave him alone as well.
[26:44] Speaker 3: But not even close.
[26:45] Speaker 1: Like if I had to guess, my guess would be
[26:48] Speaker 1: he doesn't even lead the team and from the running
[26:50] Speaker 1: back position in your Trump scrimmage.
[26:52] Speaker 3: But that's just.
[26:52] Speaker 1: An injury thing, and that there's a you know, Tyrone
[26:54] Speaker 1: Tracy there. There's other veterans they could always add, who knows.
[26:57] Speaker 1: It just seems like too much of a risk should
[26:59] Speaker 1: her Sanders After a couple of weeks where it started
[27:02] Speaker 1: to feel like they're handing this job to Deshaun Watson.
[27:06] Speaker 1: They've been bouncing back and forth between who gets the
[27:08] Speaker 1: first team reps, so they're sharing that evenly for what
[27:10] Speaker 1: it's worth. You know, when the media was there today,
[27:12] Speaker 1: he took the first team reps. But Deshaun Watson's supposed
[27:14] Speaker 1: to get it tomorrow. But Todd Munkan, who said he
[27:16] Speaker 1: had hoped to do Claire a quarterback before training camp,
[27:20] Speaker 1: and there was some reporting from Mary kay Cabot that
[27:23] Speaker 1: he would, says he will not declaire a starting quarterback
[27:27] Speaker 1: before training camp. That they're gonna they're gonna take it
[27:29] Speaker 1: into training camp. So maybe that's a good sign for
[27:32] Speaker 1: shirur Cy Anders.
[27:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[27:35] Speaker 4: I mean, if you're gonna do if you're gonna call
[27:36] Speaker 4: it early, it's like the jury coming back in fifteen minutes.
[27:39] Speaker 4: You're like, all right, well this is a wrap for me,
[27:42] Speaker 4: the veteran that's going to have the advantage here in
[27:43] Speaker 4: this quarterback battle.
[27:45] Speaker 2: But if things keep going, maybe should have a shot.
[27:47] Speaker 1: Right, Well, it sounded like maybe there was They weren't
[27:49] Speaker 1: going to allow a battle. I just don't understand just
[27:52] Speaker 1: starting Deshaun Watson in the year twenty twenty six. We've
[27:55] Speaker 1: seen it, I know he'll probably wind up starting games.
[27:58] Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense.
[27:59] Speaker 4: I think for people Blue thank Shador was bad during
[28:02] Speaker 4: his stretch his first opportunity to start as a NFL quarterback.
[28:05] Speaker 4: I think that version of Sanders was far and away
[28:08] Speaker 4: better than whatever we saw from the show.
[28:09] Speaker 1: That version of Sanders was better in a incredibly more
[28:14] Speaker 1: difficult situation than Deshaun Watson had last time around with
[28:18] Speaker 1: the Browns. Brian O'Neal, the tackle of the Vikings, is
[28:22] Speaker 1: sitting out looking potentially for a new contract. The Bengals
[28:25] Speaker 1: restructured Joe Burrows contract, creating ten million dollars in cap space.
[28:30] Speaker 1: Someone interesting because they tend to not do that in Cincinnati.
[28:35] Speaker 1: Dead money and moving money around, so that maybe they're
[28:37] Speaker 1: getting a little more current. Some other guys not practicing.
[28:40] Speaker 1: I mentioned injuries before, but I forgot to mention Makay
[28:43] Speaker 1: Lemon has been out with a hamstring injury. Daniel Jones
[28:46] Speaker 1: not taking eleven on eleven's but said he was pushing
[28:48] Speaker 1: to do so and thought he could have done so.
[28:51] Speaker 1: So he is making good progress, as are the Jacksonville
[28:55] Speaker 1: Jaguars wide receivers. If I have a takeaway from this
[28:59] Speaker 1: Ots camp season, it's that I'm getting more excited about
[29:04] Speaker 1: my guy, Brian Thomas Junior. Let's listen to Liam Cohen
[29:09] Speaker 1: talk about his connection with Trevor Laurn.
[29:12] Speaker 10: Yah, it's been a huge point emphasis. I would say
[29:15] Speaker 10: we've probably hit more of those in these OTAs in
[29:19] Speaker 10: mini camp than we did of all last season or
[29:22] Speaker 10: last offseason combined. That's being the spring and training camp.
[29:27] Speaker 10: I would say we've probably hit more of those than
[29:29] Speaker 10: last year combined, which is a good thing. It's something
[29:31] Speaker 10: that we wanted to emphasize. We started to emphasize it more,
[29:35] Speaker 10: you know after the buye was in terms of trying
[29:37] Speaker 10: to push the ball down the field more. And that
[29:40] Speaker 10: chemistry with those two is so important because if we
[29:43] Speaker 10: can be explosive with those down the field routes, being
[29:48] Speaker 10: able to push the ball down the field with those
[29:50] Speaker 10: two specifically, well man, I mean now it truly unlocks
[29:54] Speaker 10: what everybody else can do, not only just what he
[29:56] Speaker 10: and bt are able to do.
[29:58] Speaker 2: I'm all about it. That's what we wanted.
[30:00] Speaker 4: You know, a question about hitting these shots down the
[30:03] Speaker 4: sideline to BTJ, It's worked out.
[30:05] Speaker 2: He's very good at that.
[30:06] Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence very good at throwing it to him and
[30:09] Speaker 4: with you know, the ascension of Parker Washington and all
[30:12] Speaker 4: those things.
[30:13] Speaker 2: Let's let's have the guys do stuff they're good at.
[30:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, Parker Washington was given glowing words by Liam Cohen,
[30:20] Speaker 1: also just saying he has a ton of trust in
[30:23] Speaker 1: him and he is really like a communicator and someone
[30:27] Speaker 1: I think they're going to invest in long term. But
[30:29] Speaker 1: I put stock into this Brian Thomas Junior conversation from
[30:34] Speaker 1: Cohen because he's being very specific and I don't think
[30:36] Speaker 1: he's embellishing that they've hit more deep shots than they
[30:39] Speaker 1: did all of last offseason. And it matches up exactly
[30:42] Speaker 1: with one of the best beat reporters in the business,
[30:44] Speaker 1: John Ships, who said from the get go last year, man,
[30:48] Speaker 1: it is not going well with Brian Thomas Junior in
[30:50] Speaker 1: these offseason practices, like they just haven't been on the
[30:52] Speaker 1: same page. He's that he's not fitting well with the
[30:55] Speaker 1: new system and he was a little worried all these drops.
[30:58] Speaker 1: Maybe he's thinking through things, and it carried into the
[31:01] Speaker 1: season and he has been really banging the drums since
[31:03] Speaker 1: the first OTA, and they allow more media access than
[31:07] Speaker 1: a lot of the team's out there, so he's been
[31:08] Speaker 1: there every day and Brian Thomas Junior, he says, has
[31:12] Speaker 1: just been looking electric lighting up the practice field on
[31:16] Speaker 1: a day to day basis. This ADP is going to
[31:18] Speaker 1: go up because I'm going to push it up myself. Now,
[31:21] Speaker 1: I used to work in the industry. I still have
[31:23] Speaker 1: that sort of passer.
[31:24] Speaker 2: I still do.
[31:25] Speaker 1: But Brian Thomas Junior's ADP right now is wide receiver
[31:27] Speaker 1: thirty two, at least at the sight I'm looking at
[31:30] Speaker 1: overall sixty three.
[31:32] Speaker 3: Just outrageous.
[31:33] Speaker 1: I'm getting him in every I would be getting him
[31:35] Speaker 1: every single format, every single draft.
[31:38] Speaker 3: To me, he's top twenty.
[31:40] Speaker 1: I mean last year he was top ten to fifteen
[31:43] Speaker 1: going into the season, and so I think he's bouncing
[31:46] Speaker 1: all the way back there.
[31:47] Speaker 3: But get him out like twenty to twenty five. You
[31:49] Speaker 3: get the good value.
[31:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, as long as we keep the lid on this thing.
[31:54] Speaker 4: But you keep talking him up. You're not getting that there,
[31:56] Speaker 4: I mean not getting to them. You're moving him to.
[31:58] Speaker 1: Vante Adams as way over him, take him, over him,
[32:01] Speaker 1: over a DJ Moore, over Watson, over Adnze, over Tate,
[32:04] Speaker 1: over Jordan Tyson.
[32:05] Speaker 3: Give me a break. It's a rookie.
[32:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, why are Tate and Jordan Tyson there at this point.
[32:11] Speaker 1: You saw a headline that you thought was unfortunate when
[32:13] Speaker 1: it came to Parker Washington.
[32:15] Speaker 3: Well, trend, Yeah, it's it's not really a trend.
[32:18] Speaker 2: It's an old trend.
[32:20] Speaker 4: But we look for things to talk about during OTA's
[32:23] Speaker 4: in mini camp, and so often it's about a player's growth.
[32:26] Speaker 4: But the headlines are always mentioning a player's growth where
[32:29] Speaker 4: it sounds like this is a physical growth yeah, on
[32:32] Speaker 4: the player, and it leads to some some phrasing issue. Yeah,
[32:37] Speaker 4: like Liam Cohen speaks out about Parker Washington's growth, Like
[32:40] Speaker 4: I said, okay, did he get bit by radioactives?
[32:42] Speaker 3: Okay?
[32:43] Speaker 1: So there are many ways you could take it. It
[32:45] Speaker 1: could be something like one of those boils on your neck. Yeah,
[32:48] Speaker 1: that's that's rough. Could be anything. The Bills fan in
[32:52] Speaker 1: the crowd, Eric Roberts pointed out, you just wanted to
[32:55] Speaker 1: brag that Josh Allen led in merchandise sales last year.
[32:58] Speaker 1: Bill's Nation coming through mahomes in the top ten for
[33:01] Speaker 1: the eighth straight year. He was number six. Micah led
[33:04] Speaker 1: all defensive players for a third three year. How about
[33:06] Speaker 1: Drake May number two, Taquon. These things are always like
[33:09] Speaker 1: a year late because you're kind of buying the jersey
[33:12] Speaker 1: of who was great the year before, or in May's case,
[33:14] Speaker 1: it's like he's going into a second year. Saquon was
[33:16] Speaker 1: number three, JSN number four, Jayden's up there, and then
[33:19] Speaker 1: we get to the news that we've been frankly overlooking
[33:23] Speaker 1: for too long. No one I would rather have give
[33:27] Speaker 1: perspective to on the Nathan Peterman retirement than Eric Roberts,
[33:33] Speaker 1: who has a close personal connection with the former Bills.
[33:37] Speaker 10: Ye.
[33:38] Speaker 11: I was at the game, guys, the game, the game
[33:41] Speaker 11: in the soccer stadium, the game in which he threw
[33:45] Speaker 11: what four interceptions in his first nine passes, The game
[33:48] Speaker 11: where I wore a Tyrod Taylor jersey into the game
[33:53] Speaker 11: and watched him sit on the bench while Nathan Peterman
[33:55] Speaker 11: blew the game.
[33:56] Speaker 3: And I was at the game. That was a wild time.
[34:03] Speaker 3: Remember they sent.
[34:04] Speaker 1: The tweet out like QB one QUB one, Yeah, the
[34:06] Speaker 1: music video, the edits they leaned into it.
[34:08] Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, hey, I in part kind of led
[34:11] Speaker 11: to Josh Allen. I mean he kind of. He did
[34:14] Speaker 11: start the next season. Nathan Peterman was actually the start
[34:16] Speaker 11: of Week one, the next year. Yep, I think he
[34:19] Speaker 11: threw like two interceptions early in that game against the
[34:21] Speaker 11: Ravens forty three to seven. Lost something like that worst
[34:23] Speaker 11: loss in the first game of Bill's history. But thank
[34:27] Speaker 11: you for Josh Allen, Nathan Peterman, God bless the Bill Trails.
[34:31] Speaker 1: You feel for him because this is a professional athlete
[34:33] Speaker 1: who's accomplished a lot and actually lasted. That was twenty
[34:36] Speaker 1: seventeen when he had that the game, and it's twenty
[34:41] Speaker 1: twenty six right now, so it took till now for
[34:43] Speaker 1: him to retire. I mean he was bouncing around on
[34:45] Speaker 1: some practice squads and whatnot. But Happy Trails, And yeah,
[34:49] Speaker 1: I think that that second season, it's all getting confusing
[34:55] Speaker 1: to me. He actually had somehow had a worst touchdown
[34:57] Speaker 1: to interception ratio. He had had seven interceptions and only
[35:02] Speaker 1: one touchdown. He didn't jam it all into one half
[35:05] Speaker 1: that season, but it actually it got worse the second season.
[35:08] Speaker 11: I had a conversation with my brother walking inside game
[35:10] Speaker 11: where I was like, upset, I'm walking in we're in
[35:13] Speaker 11: a backup quarterback jersey.
[35:15] Speaker 3: I love Tyro Tyler too.
[35:16] Speaker 11: I mean broke the you know, broke the drought, but
[35:19] Speaker 11: a lot of you know, not gonna win his games,
[35:21] Speaker 11: won't lose games also, but thank you Nathan Peterman.
[35:25] Speaker 3: I'm glad that.
[35:26] Speaker 1: You're here for this day too, Patrick, because I think
[35:28] Speaker 1: no one has been harder on Nathan Peterman over the
[35:30] Speaker 1: years than you.
[35:31] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think I think Nathan Peterman would
[35:33] Speaker 4: have something to say about being hard on Nathan Peterman.
[35:36] Speaker 4: There's Ultimately, my commentary was the same as Eric's that day.
[35:40] Speaker 4: Tyrod Taylor deserved that chance. Yes, to start, we got
[35:44] Speaker 4: more Nathan Peterman when a lot of guys have worked
[35:46] Speaker 4: very hard. You know, Nathan Peterman wasn't the only guy
[35:49] Speaker 4: that worked hard, and you know, to his credit, he's
[35:52] Speaker 4: not the only person perhaps it got opportunities to play
[35:54] Speaker 4: quarterback that shouldn't have to the history of the NFL.
[35:56] Speaker 4: There's a long list of guys on that. But yeah,
[35:59] Speaker 4: it was all it was fun to see the ball
[36:01] Speaker 4: go in the other direction, and uh, you know, it
[36:05] Speaker 4: was probably unfair to him because you know, he's just
[36:07] Speaker 4: out there trying to play football, but it was hilarious
[36:09] Speaker 4: to me every time.
[36:11] Speaker 2: And his name's.
[36:12] Speaker 1: Funny, So yeah, I guess he kind of helped lead
[36:14] Speaker 1: to Josh Allen. But also the fact that that happened
[36:18] Speaker 1: so quickly, got him bench so quickly so that you
[36:22] Speaker 1: guys could go make a playoff run because that was
[36:24] Speaker 1: that year with Tyrad Right, it all it all comes together,
[36:28] Speaker 1: Nathan Peterman.
[36:29] Speaker 11: The shout out to was was then stub Hub Center
[36:32] Speaker 11: in Carson.
[36:32] Speaker 3: It was awesome. I mean that walking in it was
[36:35] Speaker 3: like you were playing the Chargers.
[36:37] Speaker 11: YEA not a bad seat in the house. You know,
[36:38] Speaker 11: two levels of seats. It was awesome.
[36:40] Speaker 3: We got to get Patrick to this show.
[36:42] Speaker 1: By the way, Sorry sorry, Rick, I just realized we
[36:46] Speaker 1: are going to do a rapid fire just some players
[36:48] Speaker 1: early in the OTA season. We are buying stock in
[36:53] Speaker 1: and we'll just go back and forth. Just we're kind
[36:55] Speaker 1: of setting some breadcrumbs that we're gonna maybe expound on
[36:58] Speaker 1: more at a future future day.
[37:00] Speaker 4: You saw Mike Mack with John Ohu Smith. You saw
[37:02] Speaker 4: Mike mac resurrect Darren Waller. What's Mike matt going to
[37:07] Speaker 4: do with Arondez Gats in the second? Here in Los
[37:10] Speaker 4: Angeles where everything's going to be flying around, I'm buying
[37:13] Speaker 4: stock in a Rendez Gas in the second.
[37:16] Speaker 1: That's a good one too, because I think people will
[37:17] Speaker 1: get distracted by the Joku of it all, and like
[37:20] Speaker 1: Joku signed a pretty low cost contract. It was like
[37:23] Speaker 1: that Lugariousneaed contract. It's like one year, three million dollars,
[37:26] Speaker 1: Like that's a backup type a contract. I'm buying some
[37:29] Speaker 1: stock in Tarik Woolen. I just just the talk of
[37:33] Speaker 1: the other Eagles coaches that people covering that team.
[37:35] Speaker 3: I think they're excited.
[37:36] Speaker 1: I think he's excited to be in that system, and
[37:41] Speaker 1: I think they're going to highlight him and he's going
[37:43] Speaker 1: to be making himself a lot of money this year.
[37:45] Speaker 4: It makes so much sense, and I'm all about it.
[37:47] Speaker 4: I'm also buying stock in elk Iomnor. You've got two
[37:51] Speaker 4: new wide receivers coming in, one with a familiarity with
[37:54] Speaker 4: his with his old head coach in Wandelle Robinson, and
[37:58] Speaker 4: then Carnel Tate coming in as rookie. But I think
[38:00] Speaker 4: it means something that first year playing together with your quarterback.
[38:04] Speaker 2: So I'm in on ele.
[38:05] Speaker 1: Okay, second year Titans receiver. This is a random one,
[38:09] Speaker 1: but I saw this Ben Johnson quote about Khaliff Raymon
[38:12] Speaker 1: just about how he's like thirty two years going on
[38:15] Speaker 1: twenty four, that this guy's got fresh legs that he
[38:18] Speaker 1: has the juice that Ben Johnson is gonna use him
[38:21] Speaker 1: some Cliff Raymon and this is not a fantasy take
[38:24] Speaker 1: because he's not gonna have a high enough volume. But
[38:28] Speaker 1: I am buying stock in Khalif Raymond making like multiple
[38:33] Speaker 1: game changing plays that impact a playoff race. I'll being
[38:37] Speaker 1: on the receiving end of some insane Caleb Williams play
[38:41] Speaker 1: and being like, Wow, that was a good signing Khaliff Raymond.
[38:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a game last year where he did
[38:46] Speaker 4: that right, and his head coach is at the podium
[38:49] Speaker 4: almost in tears talking about how much he loves Leaf
[38:52] Speaker 4: and how much this team means. Ben Johnson was there
[38:54] Speaker 4: with Dan Campbell and he loves Leaf too, so much
[38:57] Speaker 4: in fact, that he stole him and wants them to
[38:59] Speaker 4: do those things.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Like is there a world that he is almost as
[39:02] Speaker 1: productive as like a Dunza and Luther Burden what about
[39:08] Speaker 1: like two thirds of the way there and they're like
[39:10] Speaker 1: a little less than people expect and he and he's
[39:12] Speaker 1: a little more and Loveland is kind of the number
[39:16] Speaker 1: one guy.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Those guys are the producers. But Leif is going to
[39:18] Speaker 2: do things make everybody happen.
[39:20] Speaker 3: Not quite buying us. I'm buying more. Do you have
[39:23] Speaker 3: any more guys, You're I'm fresh. I have one because
[39:25] Speaker 3: I don't know why.
[39:26] Speaker 1: I thought this is the hottest take and I'm just
[39:29] Speaker 1: And when I think about buying stock, it's like you're
[39:31] Speaker 1: buying You're buying low, and I want to get it
[39:33] Speaker 1: at the lowest of values because it's gonna only go up.
[39:36] Speaker 1: I'm I'm buying like a moderate amount now and I
[39:40] Speaker 1: might even buy more later, which is gonna hurt my
[39:42] Speaker 1: cost averaging. But I don't I don't want to be
[39:44] Speaker 1: too aggressive right now. I think to a tongue of
[39:48] Speaker 1: I looo. With Kevin stefanci is gonna just be like
[39:50] Speaker 1: have some moments where you're like, oh, yeah, I don't
[39:53] Speaker 1: know how Kevin Stefanski does it. He always I'm not
[39:55] Speaker 1: big on the Falcons this year, but he always just
[39:57] Speaker 1: creates offense and then you'll be You'll remember like, oh,
[40:00] Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago when everyone thought
[40:03] Speaker 1: like Tua was a plus quarterback. He can do certain
[40:06] Speaker 1: things really well. He can distribute the ball. I think
[40:09] Speaker 1: the combination of him and Stefanski, people are going to
[40:13] Speaker 1: be reminded that this is a very accurate professional quarterback
[40:16] Speaker 1: into a tongue of violot. So I'm going to get
[40:18] Speaker 1: in a little early before the week three hot takes
[40:22] Speaker 1: of like, oh, hey, they've really got something here with Tua.
[40:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, you get to see Stefanski and Dylan Gabriel plus
[40:29] Speaker 4: plus plus plus right, like all the things that he
[40:31] Speaker 4: was able to do with Dylan Gabriel, you could do
[40:33] Speaker 4: literally every single one of those things much better even
[40:36] Speaker 4: with this version of Tua.
[40:37] Speaker 3: Now, is that maybe he's healthy and we get the
[40:39] Speaker 3: other version?
[40:40] Speaker 2: Right?
[40:40] Speaker 3: Is that a path to the playoffs with this roster? No?
[40:43] Speaker 1: Is that a path to some surprising production that gets
[40:46] Speaker 1: to a tongue of I allow Loah paid a lot
[40:49] Speaker 1: more money maybe by the Falcons after this season because
[40:52] Speaker 1: Drake London's there, And yes, that's what I think I'm
[40:54] Speaker 1: buying the stock in. But the stock is at an
[40:56] Speaker 1: all time low, and so is your time on it.
[41:00] Speaker 3: Patrick. We raced in.
[41:02] Speaker 1: Congratulations to my son for graduating, who did it from
[41:06] Speaker 1: elementary school. What a fun day and lunch we had,
[41:09] Speaker 1: And thanks for being flexible, Patrick and always putting in
[41:13] Speaker 1: the hard yards. So we will be back one more
[41:16] Speaker 1: show this week. You will hear from us on Thursday.
[41:20] Speaker 1: Looking forward to that, wrapping up the week.
[41:23] Speaker 3: Come on back, it's back.

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