# 20 Things We Learned from OTAs: Burrow's Belief, Chiefs' Receiver Problem, and Injury Updates Galore

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 20 May 2026, 40 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook get you caught up on everything you need to know from OTAs around the NFL. Gregg and Nick comment on Joe Burrow's outlook on the Bengals' roster, the state of the Chiefs wide receiver room, Malik Willis and Jeff Hafley mixing into the Dolphins operations, the state of the Falcons quarterbacks room, Aaron Rodgers making a decision on his playing future and more! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: NFL Daily where the only Gregory on this show is
[0:08] Speaker 1: Nick Gregory Shook. That's right. Middle name reveal on May twentieth.
[0:14] Speaker 1: As we take a look around all the news that's happening,
[0:17] Speaker 1: there's a lot of news. We've got nineteen things we've learned.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Are you ready for another big news show? Nick Gregory Shook?
[0:25] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited for all nineteen points. Nobody's better
[0:28] Speaker 2: than you at pulling all these points together.
[0:30] Speaker 3: But I hope I don't get docs now that everybody
[0:31] Speaker 3: knows my middle.
[0:32] Speaker 1: No, sorry, yeah, my name like your first name, Nick is,
[0:37] Speaker 1: it's a nickname, that's a full name. I mean, there
[0:39] Speaker 1: is no Gregory in Greg Rosenthal. There's no Nicholas in
[0:43] Speaker 1: Nick Shook. Its just the more you know, we're still
[0:45] Speaker 1: learning about.
[0:46] Speaker 2: Our syllables in my middle name that I do in
[0:48] Speaker 2: my first and last name combined.
[0:49] Speaker 1: How about that we've worked together for almost decades, still
[0:53] Speaker 1: learning new things about each other. But I know enough
[0:56] Speaker 1: not to bring up what happened to the Cavaliers last night.
[0:59] Speaker 1: So let's go to point one. When we last last
[1:01] Speaker 1: left off with Rashee Rice. You know we taped on Tuesday,
[1:04] Speaker 1: and we appreciate everyone who's been enjoying these these news ketchups.
[1:07] Speaker 1: We're going to do these every other day roughly, and
[1:10] Speaker 1: when we have some of the bigger shows what we'll
[1:12] Speaker 1: drop those in as well with the rankings. So Rashie Rice,
[1:14] Speaker 1: we mentioned he was going to jail for violating his probation.
[1:18] Speaker 1: What we didn't know is that he also underwent a
[1:20] Speaker 1: cleanup surgery on his right knee to remove loose debris
[1:25] Speaker 1: that was causing inflammation. That's according to ESPN's Adam Schefter,
[1:30] Speaker 1: that surgery is going to knock him off the field
[1:33] Speaker 1: for a couple months. Now he's going to spend you know,
[1:35] Speaker 1: one of those months in jail. It really highlights how
[1:40] Speaker 1: thin this position group is. We we talked about a
[1:44] Speaker 1: little bit glancingly on Tuesday show with Patrick, But yeah,
[1:48] Speaker 1: their number three receivers Taekwon Thornton. Their number two is
[1:50] Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy. I don't even know who they're fourth is
[1:54] Speaker 1: gonna be. And you're counting on Rashee Rice, who has
[1:56] Speaker 1: not proven himself to be reliable off the field. He
[1:59] Speaker 1: had the suspension line last year and now he's spending
[2:02] Speaker 1: time in jail and the surgery I'm sure has the
[2:05] Speaker 1: Chiefs a little worried shook. That gets to our second
[2:08] Speaker 1: point from one of my old colleagues, Albert Breer, could
[2:12] Speaker 1: the Chiefs circle back around on AJ Brown? He threw
[2:17] Speaker 1: that out there, But I don't think Albert Breer just
[2:19] Speaker 1: throws that out there, willy nilly. There was believed to
[2:22] Speaker 1: be some interest before, and who knows, it could be
[2:26] Speaker 1: an agent trying to drum up the market. But this
[2:29] Speaker 1: is the risk for the Patriots of maybe cautiously assuming
[2:33] Speaker 1: a trade is going to happen. Another team could still
[2:36] Speaker 1: jump in here, Like what do you think about what
[2:39] Speaker 1: Rice means to the Chiefs and maybe whether they could
[2:41] Speaker 1: get involved here in the AJ Brown sweepstakes As it were.
[2:45] Speaker 2: It's harder to find what Rashid Rice means to the
[2:46] Speaker 2: Chiefs because we haven't seen much of him over the
[2:48] Speaker 2: last couple of years. But the last time he was
[2:50] Speaker 2: healthy and available, he was an important part of that team.
[2:52] Speaker 2: When they lost him a couple of seasons ago, it
[2:55] Speaker 2: dealt a big blow to their offense. Now we are
[2:57] Speaker 2: also in that time of the off season in which
[2:59] Speaker 2: people like me play matchmaker and write up, you know,
[3:02] Speaker 2: like potential trades. But I don't think that's what Breer's
[3:05] Speaker 2: doing here. I think that you're right. I think there's
[3:07] Speaker 2: a little bit of smoke to this fire. And it's
[3:09] Speaker 2: interesting because oftentimes when these trade talks happen with big names,
[3:13] Speaker 2: you hear about maybe a team or two interested, and
[3:15] Speaker 2: then sometimes the mystery team slides in. We don't even
[3:17] Speaker 2: need the grand reveal if the Chiefs are really Internet
[3:20] Speaker 2: and now they have a bigger reason too, So I
[3:21] Speaker 2: would not at all be surprised if that drives up
[3:24] Speaker 2: the price. And maybe he doesn't just walk directly to
[3:26] Speaker 2: New England.
[3:27] Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs has been sitting out there and his legal
[3:31] Speaker 1: issues have apparently been taken care of, and he's been
[3:35] Speaker 1: the most logical fit for a team like the Rams
[3:39] Speaker 1: or the Chiefs I think specifically that are certainly trying
[3:43] Speaker 1: to win right now and could add some depth to
[3:46] Speaker 1: their receiver group. The Chiefs getting involved in the aj
[3:49] Speaker 1: Brown sweepstakes would be incredible.
[3:51] Speaker 4: Now.
[3:51] Speaker 1: They are second to last in terms of cap space
[3:55] Speaker 1: right now. Six million dollars they still, you know, I'm
[3:58] Speaker 1: not sure if that includes all the rookies that they've signed.
[4:01] Speaker 1: That's some you can always move money around. They're a
[4:04] Speaker 1: team that has been trying to get a little younger,
[4:06] Speaker 1: and yet they're paying a lot of money to guys
[4:08] Speaker 1: like Travis Kelcey and even car Loftis. It might be
[4:12] Speaker 1: tougher for them to fit in to their timeline. But
[4:17] Speaker 1: I look at this team and I think I know
[4:18] Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is coming off at torny ACL. It's given
[4:21] Speaker 1: a little two thousand and nine Patriots vibes of a
[4:23] Speaker 1: little bit of a reset year, but it's also an
[4:26] Speaker 1: older team on some level. And when you have Patrick Mahomes,
[4:29] Speaker 1: to me, you're always win. Now the AFC is wide open.
[4:33] Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy because that roster makes a
[4:36] Speaker 1: lot more sense with their see Rice as the two
[4:38] Speaker 1: in Xavier Worthy as the three.
[4:40] Speaker 5: I don't think it would be crazy for them to
[4:42] Speaker 5: go after him.
[4:43] Speaker 2: No, I don't either, And I feel like the you know,
[4:45] Speaker 2: just because they missed the playoffs last year, the window
[4:48] Speaker 2: of timing is strange for them, where the Patriots comparison
[4:51] Speaker 2: is a good one because the Patriots are never not
[4:53] Speaker 2: in the race, but they did have a bit of
[4:55] Speaker 2: a reset at that time, and it feels like the
[4:56] Speaker 2: Chiefs don't necessarily have the time to make such a reset,
[4:59] Speaker 2: so they have to kind of bridge the gap between
[5:01] Speaker 2: the two. Travis Kelce, you know, there was thoughts that
[5:03] Speaker 2: he may retire. He's back for one year. Andy Reid
[5:05] Speaker 2: gets asked about retirement at the end of every season,
[5:08] Speaker 2: and you have Mahomes in his prime coming off of
[5:09] Speaker 2: an acl injury. So there's got to be a sense
[5:12] Speaker 2: of urgency here that could prompt something like that to
[5:14] Speaker 2: get done.
[5:14] Speaker 1: All right, those are our first two points, our third,
[5:17] Speaker 1: and a lot of the show today Shook is going
[5:19] Speaker 1: to be some sound. We got ten teams practicing around
[5:23] Speaker 1: the league, and one of them is the Cincinnati Bengals.
[5:27] Speaker 1: First time we've heard from Joe Burrow since the Bengals
[5:31] Speaker 1: had quite an active offseason. We're going to listen to
[5:35] Speaker 1: two different clips from Burrow in the excitement that he
[5:40] Speaker 1: has entering twenty twenty six.
[5:41] Speaker 6: I just think we know where we needed to be better,
[5:45] Speaker 6: and we went out and aggressively made it happen, and
[5:51] Speaker 6: we filled some holes that we that we have from
[5:53] Speaker 6: years past. Got better at a lot of positions. I'm
[5:58] Speaker 6: the best free agent safety, got the best d tackle
[6:03] Speaker 6: in the league. In my opinion, the front office has
[6:05] Speaker 6: taken a lot of heat from fans, the public, the media,
[6:10] Speaker 6: and you know we can put all that behind us.
[6:14] Speaker 6: They went and made it happen with agency. I thought
[6:17] Speaker 6: the draft, obviously we'll find out.
[6:20] Speaker 7: You saw what this roster looked like in twenty twenty one,
[6:22] Speaker 7: albeit you were young, but that was a super Bowl roster.
[6:26] Speaker 7: Do you think what you see right now from this
[6:29] Speaker 7: organization and in that locker room is a super Bowl roster.
[6:32] Speaker 6: I think this is the most talented roster that we've
[6:34] Speaker 6: had since I've been here.
[6:35] Speaker 5: I love it.
[6:35] Speaker 1: Look Joe Burrow's happiness was kind of a running plot line.
[6:40] Speaker 1: I don't think it's media created. He's contributed to it
[6:44] Speaker 1: in very meaningful ways. He wears his emotions on his sleeves.
[6:48] Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy. I know Bengals fans don't
[6:50] Speaker 1: want to hear it. To imagine a world where if
[6:53] Speaker 1: they didn't make the moves that he liked, and that
[6:56] Speaker 1: this season didn't go well, that we would be talking
[6:59] Speaker 1: about other teams getting in the mix for Joe Burrow
[7:01] Speaker 1: and trying to give up every possible draft pick there
[7:04] Speaker 1: is to go get him next off season. So I
[7:08] Speaker 1: find it compelling that he's breaking down the tape he
[7:12] Speaker 1: believes that they got Brian Cook, the best free agent safety,
[7:15] Speaker 1: they got the best defensive tackle, and that this is
[7:18] Speaker 1: the most talented Bengals roster that he has ever seen.
[7:22] Speaker 1: The expectations are high, Shookie.
[7:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, and they are.
[7:25] Speaker 2: And I'm glad you brought that up because I felt
[7:28] Speaker 2: like he left somebody out when he said that the
[7:30] Speaker 2: front office took a lot of heat from a number
[7:32] Speaker 2: of different groups of people. I was waiting for him
[7:34] Speaker 2: to say and me because he wasn't like shy about
[7:38] Speaker 2: the fact that he was dissatisfied with the way the
[7:39] Speaker 2: defense has played over the last couple of years. And
[7:41] Speaker 2: when he openly wondered whether he was like, you know,
[7:44] Speaker 2: his long term future, just thought about how long he's
[7:46] Speaker 2: going to play football if he doesn't necessarily enjoy it.
[7:49] Speaker 2: That was applying pressure, and now he's gotten the results
[7:52] Speaker 2: of his actions, which is, hey, go make some moves.
[7:55] Speaker 3: They added like five new starters this year.
[7:57] Speaker 2: You look about Dexter Lawrence, talk about Jonathan Allen, got
[8:00] Speaker 2: Ian Cook, and Boy Mafe. So that's four right there,
[8:03] Speaker 2: and you've got some other guys, including draft pics like
[8:04] Speaker 2: cash Is Hall who could end up in the Star.
[8:06] Speaker 2: I don't know if cash is how initially end up
[8:07] Speaker 2: in the starting rotation. But you've got depth too, You've
[8:09] Speaker 2: got more rotational depth than you had before. So he's right,
[8:12] Speaker 2: this is a very talented roster. It's a lot better
[8:14] Speaker 2: than it was last year, especially on the defensive side
[8:16] Speaker 2: of the ball. But now it's about going and doing it,
[8:19] Speaker 2: and so it's optimism season. Everybody's happy right now. That's
[8:22] Speaker 2: all fine and dandy. I'm sure we're gonna get This
[8:24] Speaker 2: is the best I've ever felt in my life. I've
[8:26] Speaker 2: never thrown it better than I am right now from
[8:28] Speaker 2: him too, if we haven't already. But it ultimately comes
[8:30] Speaker 2: down to how do you produce this fall? At least
[8:33] Speaker 2: now they're better equipped than they were last year.
[8:35] Speaker 1: And I think him saying the most talented roster just
[8:38] Speaker 1: raises the ante here of like what are the expectations?
[8:42] Speaker 1: And I do get a sense the Bengals are going
[8:44] Speaker 1: to be a trendy pick and I'm feeling it too,
[8:47] Speaker 1: of a team that can go far, like why not
[8:49] Speaker 1: the Bengals?
[8:50] Speaker 5: Why if not this year? Then when I would.
[8:53] Speaker 1: Push back that this is the most talented roster because
[8:57] Speaker 1: on the defense, I guess I got to see it
[8:59] Speaker 1: first and that was a pretty good defense back then.
[9:02] Speaker 1: But they are a mature roster to have the trio
[9:06] Speaker 1: with t Higgins and Jamar Chase in their absolute primes
[9:10] Speaker 1: and now Chase Brown in his prime. To me, it
[9:14] Speaker 1: comes down to the offensive line, which was not good
[9:16] Speaker 1: when they made the Super Bowl and it's better now,
[9:18] Speaker 1: but it wasn't very good a year ago. I liked
[9:20] Speaker 1: that they brought back Orlando Brown on a cheap deal
[9:23] Speaker 1: and they didn't string it out with Dalton Riisner, but
[9:25] Speaker 1: they need to play better, especially run blocking early in
[9:29] Speaker 1: the season was bad and pass blocking was pretty bad throughout.
[9:33] Speaker 5: But yes, high expectations for the Cincinnati Bengals. What could
[9:37] Speaker 5: go wrong?
[9:37] Speaker 1: Let's go to Atlanta where we start a lot of
[9:40] Speaker 1: different quarterback talk here in terms of who's getting the reps.
[9:44] Speaker 1: Who's not a little bit of a surprise to start
[9:47] Speaker 1: OTAs when the media went out there, so was Michael
[9:51] Speaker 1: Pennix already on the field splitting reps with Tua Tonga
[9:56] Speaker 1: v LOA. Let's listen to Tua. I mean it's a
[9:59] Speaker 1: penox rat there. Talk about the fact that now he's
[10:02] Speaker 1: got another quarterback taking those reps with him.
[10:04] Speaker 8: I say, I'm running my own race. You know, I can't.
[10:07] Speaker 8: I can't look in another lane, you know. But at
[10:09] Speaker 8: the same time, you know, we are working together, you know,
[10:12] Speaker 8: that's what it's all about, works together and helping each other,
[10:14] Speaker 8: you know, finish the race, and obviously we want to
[10:17] Speaker 8: come out on top, you know, as far as this team. So,
[10:20] Speaker 8: like I said, man, I'm running my own race, but
[10:22] Speaker 8: you know, Tua, Trevor, they all been there, you know,
[10:25] Speaker 8: for me throughout the whole reset or rehab process that
[10:27] Speaker 8: I've been going through, and you know, I'm going to
[10:29] Speaker 8: be there for them throughout, you know, each and every
[10:31] Speaker 8: day out there grinding and in the meeting rooms as well.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Two very distinctive throwing motions, two different body types. But
[10:37] Speaker 1: when I saw that video that the Falcons posted, my
[10:41] Speaker 1: first thought is just like, it's just so weird to see,
[10:43] Speaker 1: you know, two lefties right next to each other just
[10:46] Speaker 1: throwing passes and including Yes, if you're watching us on YouTube,
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[10:53] Speaker 1: you know, a dime from Penix to Drake London get excited, Chucky.
[10:57] Speaker 2: Not excited because look, if they have to go between
[10:59] Speaker 2: one of the two quarterbacks and at the bounce from
[11:01] Speaker 2: Tua to Penis or Penis and two that sort of thing.
[11:03] Speaker 2: At least these receivers want to have to adjust to
[11:05] Speaker 2: a lefty as opposed to a writing they're both south paws.
[11:07] Speaker 2: You know, Let's just build it out even more, Kevin Stefanski.
[11:11] Speaker 2: Tell your front office to go make a move for
[11:14] Speaker 2: your guy that you used to have in Cleveland, Dylan Gabril.
[11:16] Speaker 3: Let's get pre soft paws in the quarterback room. Why not.
[11:18] Speaker 1: I was gonna say, are they the only two lefties
[11:20] Speaker 1: there aren't. There aren't many backups that are lefties either,
[11:23] Speaker 1: But yeah, you could get Gabriel. He might be available.
[11:26] Speaker 1: More on that in a minute. Penick's not doing all
[11:29] Speaker 1: the team drills yet. It's still a little unclear if
[11:32] Speaker 1: he's going to be fully ready for training camp. But
[11:35] Speaker 1: the idea here was that Tua was kind of the favorite,
[11:38] Speaker 1: might be getting all the reps in the off season.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Early signs are that's not necessarily true. In Baltimore, snow
[11:45] Speaker 1: Puntley's getting more reps and OTAs than expected because Lamar Jackson,
[11:51] Speaker 1: despite a lot of talk, and he was there at
[11:53] Speaker 1: the beginning of voluntary work, not there for the start
[11:56] Speaker 1: of OTA's jesse Minter said he was not really concerned
[12:01] Speaker 1: about that, called Lamar Jackson a leader and that they've
[12:04] Speaker 1: had conversations and that he will be back soon, So
[12:07] Speaker 1: it's nothing major. I wanted to get your thoughts though,
[12:10] Speaker 1: Nick on Jesse Minter and some of the early reporting
[12:14] Speaker 1: coming out from Ravens camp. Every head coach that is
[12:19] Speaker 1: just starting their regime has their little wrinkles that they
[12:23] Speaker 1: throw into practice that they're like, hey, here's here's going
[12:26] Speaker 1: to be our focus. Minter's focus, and it has the
[12:30] Speaker 1: playoffs in mind. His quote is be at your best
[12:33] Speaker 1: when your best is required. A lot of words there,
[12:37] Speaker 1: but they're calling it like the be at your best
[12:39] Speaker 1: when the best is required. Competitions to end every single
[12:44] Speaker 1: practice where the offense and the defense goes against each other.
[12:46] Speaker 1: Right now, because of the rules and OTAs, they can't
[12:50] Speaker 1: even do football against each other, so they just have
[12:53] Speaker 1: the offense and the defense going against each other with
[12:56] Speaker 1: competitive planking was how he did it last week when
[12:59] Speaker 1: the media was there, and then a competition of just
[13:02] Speaker 1: who can throw the ball further and choosing two random
[13:06] Speaker 1: players between the offense and the defense.
[13:08] Speaker 5: If you're curious.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Eliza Sarrat, the rookie wide receiver, won the day for
[13:12] Speaker 1: the offense by chucking that ball pretty far. What do
[13:15] Speaker 1: you think about the jesse Minter sprinkle to how he's
[13:19] Speaker 1: conducting practices.
[13:21] Speaker 3: It's very collegiate of him.
[13:22] Speaker 2: And if I didn't know that he came from the
[13:25] Speaker 2: Horrbaw Tree, I would have asked if he was from
[13:27] Speaker 2: the horrorw Tree because it's very much something that the
[13:28] Speaker 2: Horrorballs would do. I think it fits like the Ravens culture,
[13:31] Speaker 2: even though they moved on from John Like, it's still
[13:33] Speaker 2: that's kind of their their mo is to do things
[13:36] Speaker 2: like that. So I mean, obviously we're not going to
[13:38] Speaker 2: see whether that produces anything until the season, but it
[13:41] Speaker 2: seems like the and this happens against with every coach
[13:43] Speaker 2: because it's new, and everybody likes something that's new because
[13:45] Speaker 2: it's sparkly and it's fresh and it's different. But the
[13:49] Speaker 2: vibes that have come from Ravens offseason activities and everything
[13:52] Speaker 2: else so far has been very positive with jesse mentor
[13:55] Speaker 2: so and like that includes the comments on Lamar and
[13:57] Speaker 2: Lamar showing up for workouts before he took this planned absence,
[14:01] Speaker 2: like the everything is just all hunky dory in Baltimore.
[14:03] Speaker 3: We'll see when it comes to the season.
[14:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to throw this into the show
[14:07] Speaker 1: because I find someone who likes to follow the NFL
[14:10] Speaker 1: every day, these little differences of the head coaches and
[14:13] Speaker 1: what they do, and sometimes it becomes the thing you
[14:15] Speaker 1: remember most about those coaches, like Joe Judge jumping in
[14:19] Speaker 1: the mud during the like the loose ball drill, and
[14:24] Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Jeff Haffley in a minute.
[14:26] Speaker 1: I saw him getting involved with one of those tubes
[14:29] Speaker 1: where he's trying to knock the ball out of the players,
[14:32] Speaker 1: like he's.
[14:32] Speaker 5: Getting in the mix.
[14:33] Speaker 1: And so this is Jesse Minner's little spin and he
[14:35] Speaker 1: talked about it afterwards too, of just that the focus
[14:38] Speaker 1: for them is playing better when it really matters, and
[14:43] Speaker 1: I think that's it's not a pointed remark about how
[14:45] Speaker 1: the past has been in Baltimore, but yeah, they have
[14:48] Speaker 1: not closed their seasons how they've wanted to. Speaking of
[14:52] Speaker 1: quarterbacks at OTAs getting their work in, Josh Allen just
[14:56] Speaker 1: wanted to note fully practicing at OTAs he had a
[15:00] Speaker 1: procedure this offseason. They said it wasn't gonna, you know,
[15:04] Speaker 1: set him back too far, and it hasn't. So he's
[15:06] Speaker 1: out there practicing and one of the players that he
[15:09] Speaker 1: is throwing the ball to this is our This is
[15:11] Speaker 1: our eighth point. By the way, if you're keeping track
[15:13] Speaker 1: at home, is Keon Coleman. Nick Shook wrote a whole
[15:16] Speaker 1: article about Kean Coleman and his statements on Tuesday. Let's
[15:23] Speaker 1: listen to his back and forth with the Bills reporters.
[15:26] Speaker 3: How do you such last season and how things went last.
[15:30] Speaker 5: Season for you?
[15:31] Speaker 9: Uh, I mean getting a benched four games something like
[15:35] Speaker 9: that unacceptable, ended off on the decent note, got a touchdown,
[15:40] Speaker 9: so that was I wouldn't even call it that conference
[15:42] Speaker 9: to Its just a positive tend of the season on
[15:44] Speaker 9: but we lost, so it's another negative to uh to
[15:48] Speaker 9: erase that. But I mean, I don't need something motivation.
[15:51] Speaker 9: I know what I'm here to do and i know
[15:53] Speaker 9: what I'm capable of doing.
[15:54] Speaker 5: MM To be clear, he said, ass just we're allowed.
[15:58] Speaker 1: We're actually allowed to say the Bills team site courtesy.
[16:03] Speaker 1: They gave us that video and we appreciate them. Your
[16:06] Speaker 1: thoughts on Kean Coleman entering this season.
[16:10] Speaker 2: Sure, I was glad that he said what we all
[16:13] Speaker 2: already thought and what I may be working on, which
[16:15] Speaker 2: is that it is a make or break season for him.
[16:17] Speaker 2: This is, you know, going into year three. This is
[16:20] Speaker 2: the thirty third overall pick few years ago who has
[16:22] Speaker 2: not lived up to the expectation of a number one receiver,
[16:24] Speaker 2: a guy who just disappeared from the game plan healthy
[16:27] Speaker 2: scratches over multiple weeks last season. There was a period
[16:29] Speaker 2: in which it seemed like they refused to run him
[16:31] Speaker 2: inside the numbers. He just hasn't been the guy that
[16:33] Speaker 2: they thought he would be when they moved on from
[16:35] Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs. Those are big shoes to fill, but he
[16:37] Speaker 2: hasn't come anywhere close. And this is a team that's
[16:39] Speaker 2: consistently had receiver problems over the last few years, basically
[16:42] Speaker 2: since they moved on from Diggs.
[16:43] Speaker 3: Even going to the.
[16:43] Speaker 2: Playoffs last year was well, all of our receivers are
[16:46] Speaker 2: hurt and Brandon Cooks is our best guy. Kean Coleman
[16:49] Speaker 2: needs to be your best guy, and he needs to
[16:51] Speaker 2: do that this year or else he's probably gonna be
[16:53] Speaker 2: looking for a new home and a much lower salary
[16:55] Speaker 2: than he would like.
[16:56] Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds great. I got breaking news for you, Shoo,
[16:59] Speaker 1: He's not going to be either beat guy. Yeah, there's
[17:02] Speaker 1: no reason to think he's going to be better than
[17:03] Speaker 1: DJ Moore and Khalil Shakira. I will take a slightly
[17:06] Speaker 1: better version of rookie Keon Coleman just helping out as
[17:10] Speaker 1: the best guy maybe in that X spot on the
[17:12] Speaker 1: outside as a as a role player.
[17:15] Speaker 5: But maybe maybe you think he can be better.
[17:18] Speaker 3: Maybe you think that's why he says it's make or
[17:20] Speaker 3: break for him.
[17:20] Speaker 2: Though from his perspective, he needs to be significantly better
[17:23] Speaker 2: than he was over the last in two years combined,
[17:25] Speaker 2: he has less than a thousand receiving yards. Now he's
[17:27] Speaker 2: actually racked up a good amount of touchdowns given the
[17:29] Speaker 2: fact that he hasn't broken a thousand receiving yards. But
[17:31] Speaker 2: from his perspective, if he's going to actually maximize his
[17:34] Speaker 2: career in his earning power, because he's the make or
[17:36] Speaker 2: break year and he does have to climb up into
[17:38] Speaker 2: that upper stratosphere with the Bills receiver.
[17:40] Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is he broke one hundred yards
[17:42] Speaker 1: in that opening week game against the Ravens, I mean
[17:46] Speaker 1: last year, and if you talk to us about like
[17:49] Speaker 1: what we thought about Keon Coleman at that point.
[17:52] Speaker 5: I was excited about him.
[17:53] Speaker 1: He actually had a pretty good rookie year for a
[17:55] Speaker 1: twenty one year old receiver, and you do worry a
[17:59] Speaker 1: little bit. He tried to cite the touchdown that he
[18:01] Speaker 1: had in the Divisional round game against the Broncos, and
[18:04] Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I kind of forgot you
[18:06] Speaker 1: had a touchdown there, because what I remember is he
[18:08] Speaker 1: completely bricked and dropped a wide open touchdown on one
[18:13] Speaker 1: of the best plays Josh Allen made all season long
[18:16] Speaker 1: earlier in that game now would have been called back
[18:18] Speaker 1: by a holding penalty that had nothing to do with him.
[18:20] Speaker 1: Eric is smiling at me, but I know he remembers
[18:23] Speaker 1: that play too.
[18:23] Speaker 10: No, there was there was a stretch of games where
[18:25] Speaker 10: I think back to back games KENK Coleman just had
[18:29] Speaker 10: a Josh Allen missile thrown directly off his face mask,
[18:32] Speaker 10: like two or three on the goal line.
[18:33] Speaker 5: He had a rough season. I have faith in Konk Coleman,
[18:36] Speaker 5: I really do.
[18:37] Speaker 10: I know I poked fun at him in an episode
[18:39] Speaker 10: a couple months ago.
[18:40] Speaker 2: Okay, but I have faith in good twenty all right,
[18:42] Speaker 2: Joe Brady, all right, all right, Brandon Bean, We'll see.
[18:45] Speaker 1: I have faith in him to be what I said,
[18:47] Speaker 1: which would be like the third most important wide receiver
[18:50] Speaker 1: on that roster and maybe the fourth most important pass
[18:52] Speaker 1: catcher with Dalton Kincaid and who knows even James Cook
[18:55] Speaker 1: getting in the mix, but providing an important role as
[18:58] Speaker 1: a guy who's going to help out in the red zone.
[18:59] Speaker 1: Get get six hundred and fifty yards. Just just be better.
[19:03] Speaker 1: So that's our eighth point. Number nine is a quick one.
[19:05] Speaker 1: Justin Herbert not at ots. If we're gonna keep mentioning like, oh,
[19:08] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's not there, So just happened to note that
[19:11] Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has not been Ota at OTA's the last
[19:15] Speaker 1: two weeks when the media was there. Well, it's he
[19:17] Speaker 1: taping too many music videos with his girlfriend. He's gone
[19:20] Speaker 1: on Hollywood. Justin Herbert, let's go to Cleveland where Deshaun
[19:25] Speaker 1: Watson first up in drills. We don't need to linger
[19:28] Speaker 1: on this, it's just the day the media is there.
[19:31] Speaker 1: But should hear Sanders over on the side field with
[19:34] Speaker 1: the second team while Deshaun Watson is first up in drills.
[19:38] Speaker 1: The drum beat continues that this could be Deshaun Watson's job.
[19:42] Speaker 2: Get those tenfoil hats out SR door fans, because you're
[19:45] Speaker 2: just gonna say he's getting sabotaged again.
[19:47] Speaker 3: Be on the side field of the second team.
[19:49] Speaker 2: Todd Lunkin was asked after practice today whether he saw
[19:52] Speaker 2: a favorite in the quarterback battle so far, and he said, no, So, okay,
[19:55] Speaker 2: we're far away from that, but I'm telling you they're
[19:57] Speaker 2: laying the groundwork for DeShawn to be their starter.
[20:00] Speaker 1: As if the Calves blowing a twenty two point lead
[20:04] Speaker 1: with seven and a half minutes remaining, do.
[20:06] Speaker 2: You understand how much pain I was in last night
[20:10] Speaker 2: and this morning. We're just night. Just twist the knife deeper.
[20:15] Speaker 1: I'm a jerk, but as you told me, that shows
[20:17] Speaker 1: that we are, you know, really true. It's your love language. Yeah,
[20:20] Speaker 1: we're boys ultimately that we can feel comfortable enough about.
[20:25] Speaker 1: I can imagine a fraction of the pain, just even
[20:27] Speaker 1: a fraction.
[20:28] Speaker 3: Just just call a time out, please.
[20:30] Speaker 1: Because honestly, I'm not I'm not a Knicks fan. I'm
[20:33] Speaker 1: rooting for the Calves here and I I had turned
[20:36] Speaker 1: it off thinking that game's over and then I and
[20:38] Speaker 1: I think I saw about three and a half minutes left,
[20:41] Speaker 1: it's getting closer, and it paid me to watch that.
[20:43] Speaker 5: So I can only imagine, why do we do that.
[20:46] Speaker 2: You have not been you haven't been seasoned by Cleveland
[20:48] Speaker 2: heartbreak like I have. I was never comfortable and then
[20:50] Speaker 2: it all fell apart and I saw it all coming.
[20:51] Speaker 2: It was like a car crash that you knew was coming,
[20:53] Speaker 2: but you couldn't stop.
[20:54] Speaker 1: It does make you wonder, because I was talking about
[20:56] Speaker 1: this with with my beautiful wife last night that it
[21:01] Speaker 1: really hurt that when the Celtics lost and everything, But
[21:03] Speaker 1: I was just thinking how much more pleasant the last
[21:05] Speaker 1: three weeks have been compared to like a normal May that, like,
[21:08] Speaker 1: let's just check let's just check out the Cavs game,
[21:11] Speaker 1: nixt game for like a little bit, and then let's
[21:13] Speaker 1: let's switch over to the Dodgers for a nice May game.
[21:16] Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm happier. So what are we doing here?
[21:21] Speaker 1: Browns QUINCHI junkins part of team drills. I just want
[21:24] Speaker 1: to throw that out there. Coming back from a important
[21:27] Speaker 1: surgery again, team drills in these OTAs. It's not real football,
[21:30] Speaker 1: it's shorts, it doesn't have uh, you know, the pads
[21:34] Speaker 1: on or anything. But still nice to hear that Quinchohn Junkins,
[21:37] Speaker 1: who I don't think is a lot to be ready
[21:39] Speaker 1: for a week one is out there that that is
[21:41] Speaker 1: a sign that it could be happening. Let's go to
[21:43] Speaker 1: Miami where I got three different points. Number one, Jordan Brooks,
[21:48] Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer, their linebacker and their center, who are talked
[21:53] Speaker 1: about as as the weight bearing walls of the new regime, pillars,
[21:58] Speaker 1: the pillars they gave on e Chan his contract. They
[22:01] Speaker 1: both want new contracts, they're working on new contracts, they
[22:05] Speaker 1: are not holding out for new contracts, and both said
[22:08] Speaker 1: they're happy to be their happy eight. Chan got his money.
[22:11] Speaker 1: Malik Willis also there, first time he has spoken to
[22:15] Speaker 1: the media since they traded away his number one wide receiver.
[22:20] Speaker 1: I don't know who is number one wide receiver? Is
[22:23] Speaker 1: Willis asked about the trade of Jalen Waddle.
[22:26] Speaker 10: Yeah, we've spoken to you since it happened. So what
[22:27] Speaker 10: was your reaction with that?
[22:28] Speaker 11: Cherlie Wattle was traded and you knew you wouldn't.
[22:31] Speaker 10: Hurt about that.
[22:32] Speaker 9: I was unfortunate, for sure, to say the least. That's
[22:34] Speaker 9: a really good player and I would I love to
[22:36] Speaker 9: play with him, but I don't know.
[22:38] Speaker 11: That's above my pay grade.
[22:39] Speaker 5: Brother, out of my hands.
[22:42] Speaker 2: It's the brother at the end, like, don't ask me
[22:45] Speaker 2: about this man, That's all I can say about it.
[22:48] Speaker 1: You could almost hear him catch himself when he said
[22:52] Speaker 1: that's unfortunate, like I would have loved to throw him
[22:55] Speaker 1: because of course that's the natural reaction, and no one's
[22:57] Speaker 1: gonna fault him for saying that. But he's just not
[22:59] Speaker 1: even used to being the starting quarterback. And you could
[23:02] Speaker 1: almost hear him thinking, like, oh, should I not even
[23:04] Speaker 1: have said that? Because I got no problem with it.
[23:06] Speaker 1: You know, I understand what's happening here. It's out of
[23:09] Speaker 1: his pay grade. But let's let's help Malik Willis out shuck.
[23:13] Speaker 1: Let's let's get three receivers right now. Okay, there it is.
[23:18] Speaker 1: I'm so glad that's clear.
[23:19] Speaker 2: Keep that, please, Malik Washington Jalen Tolbert to two at Well, yeah,
[23:26] Speaker 2: that's about my pay grade too.
[23:27] Speaker 1: Brother Chris Bell coming off a torn acl from Louisville.
[23:32] Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued by him. Probably not the early start
[23:35] Speaker 1: of the season, but by the end. Caleb Douglas is
[23:38] Speaker 1: a third round receiver they took that was a surprise
[23:41] Speaker 1: to many people will have the advantage of being a
[23:44] Speaker 1: guy they took there. But yeah, it's I think it's
[23:46] Speaker 1: number one receiver, Davon Han, number two tight end. It's
[23:49] Speaker 1: the Greg Dulcic comeback season, number fourteen. In terms of
[23:54] Speaker 1: our points, we're moving pretty quickly here.
[23:56] Speaker 5: Is that?
[23:57] Speaker 1: Just Jeff Halfley is the man I like, like I said,
[24:00] Speaker 1: to learn about these new coaches by hearing what they're
[24:04] Speaker 1: doing for the drills at the end of the practice.
[24:06] Speaker 1: Remember Mike McCarthy has his section at the end of
[24:10] Speaker 1: the practice. We heard about Jesse Minter. Now we've got
[24:14] Speaker 1: Jeff Haffley who is miked up. This sound is courtesy
[24:17] Speaker 1: of the Miami Dolphins. This isn't really a section. It's
[24:20] Speaker 1: just giving a feel of like who he is as
[24:22] Speaker 1: a coach at the end of his ota on Tuesday.
[24:26] Speaker 12: Understand the urgency, guys, we don't have many of these.
[24:29] Speaker 12: There's two done. These are gonna go fast. We have
[24:32] Speaker 12: to get better every day. You have to find a
[24:34] Speaker 12: way to get better every day. And there's a lot
[24:36] Speaker 12: more mental right now than there is physical. That's just
[24:39] Speaker 12: the way this thing is built, right, So you gotta
[24:41] Speaker 12: get on the tape. If you need extra up, you
[24:43] Speaker 12: gotta see your coaches tomorrow. There's gonna be more installs.
[24:46] Speaker 12: Each day, there's gonna be more installs. This is not slow.
[24:49] Speaker 12: You guys understand what I'm saying. So the urgency's gotta
[24:52] Speaker 12: build and we gotta get better every single day. We
[24:54] Speaker 12: don't have time. There's a race for that good work.
[24:57] Speaker 12: Your effort was outstanding. I can't wait to watch the
[24:59] Speaker 12: film go.
[25:02] Speaker 5: Like that.
[25:03] Speaker 1: Malik I like is breaking down the team as the
[25:06] Speaker 1: as the leader. Malik willis. And if you are grading
[25:12] Speaker 1: that speech in Madden, like Halfley gets a grade for
[25:17] Speaker 1: you know, there's awareness and change the direction for the players.
[25:20] Speaker 1: That's that's post At a o TA speech, what do
[25:24] Speaker 1: you give out.
[25:25] Speaker 2: Of inspiration plus one, motivation plus two and that's it.
[25:30] Speaker 1: I want an overall out of one hundred. I want
[25:32] Speaker 1: to an overall out of one hundred seventy nine.
[25:38] Speaker 5: I'm going to give him in eighty nine.
[25:40] Speaker 3: He just gave him an agenda. It's like syllabus week. Hey, tomorrow,
[25:43] Speaker 3: we're gonna be more installed. Stay fun, do your homework.
[25:46] Speaker 1: The playbook authoritative just seems like a guy who's comfortable
[25:50] Speaker 1: in front of the room. There was some talk about
[25:52] Speaker 1: halfway of like he might be better as a head
[25:55] Speaker 1: coach than he was as a coordinator, like a guy
[25:58] Speaker 1: that that players want to to follow, and so I
[26:01] Speaker 1: think he fills that role. I liked it. It's like
[26:05] Speaker 1: our shows. I'm going to give myself a lower grade.
[26:08] Speaker 1: Our show on Monday shook. It was about forty minutes.
[26:11] Speaker 1: It probably could have been thirty three, you know, thirty
[26:14] Speaker 1: two for a mid May show. Let's get people from
[26:16] Speaker 1: Let's get people in and out. Okay, that's fourteen points.
[26:19] Speaker 1: We're getting all the way to twenty, a nice round number.
[26:21] Speaker 1: I started off saying it was going to be nineteen shook,
[26:26] Speaker 1: But we have some Aaron Rodgers news that we're going
[26:28] Speaker 1: to end the show with. Before that, we're going to
[26:30] Speaker 1: get to point number fifteen. Jackson Dart at a fan
[26:35] Speaker 1: team event said something I found interesting that he believes
[26:39] Speaker 1: that they will be a run first team. Don't worry
[26:42] Speaker 1: about us throwing the ball all over the yard. Matt
[26:44] Speaker 1: n Aggie and this John Harbaugh Giants offense. They want
[26:48] Speaker 1: to run the ball first. That's the identity that they
[26:51] Speaker 1: are trying to establish. To that point, Kem'skatabu at the
[26:55] Speaker 1: same event, was talking about his year and he said
[26:59] Speaker 1: it wasn't really a sixestful year for him. He pointed
[27:02] Speaker 1: out he had four hundred yards on one hundred carries
[27:05] Speaker 1: in limited games. He says, when I play seventeen plus
[27:10] Speaker 1: games this year, it's gonna be three hundred carries for
[27:14] Speaker 1: over two thousand yards. That too high a number there, Shuck,
[27:22] Speaker 1: what do you think.
[27:23] Speaker 2: Look, there's no knock on Arizona State education or what
[27:26] Speaker 2: kind of student camp scatboy was. But math says, four
[27:29] Speaker 2: hundred yards and one hundred carries is four yards per carry,
[27:32] Speaker 2: and if you multiply that by three, that's twelve hundred yards. Yeah,
[27:35] Speaker 2: not over two thousand yards. So that's a very high expectation.
[27:38] Speaker 2: And I also like the addition of seventeen plus games,
[27:41] Speaker 2: as in, we're going to be in the playoffs. Look,
[27:44] Speaker 2: be optimistic, set the goals high, stay on.
[27:47] Speaker 3: The field as much as possible. That's what I need
[27:49] Speaker 3: to see from them.
[27:50] Speaker 1: I love that point by you, the seventeen plus I
[27:54] Speaker 1: missed that entirely.
[27:57] Speaker 5: I also love it.
[27:58] Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to say, if you just you know,
[28:01] Speaker 1: paste it out one hundred times three. I mean, you know,
[28:04] Speaker 1: he's saying he was disappointed only four yards per carry.
[28:08] Speaker 5: That's not enough for him.
[28:09] Speaker 1: Now, if he could actually go, you know, between six
[28:14] Speaker 1: and seven yards per carry.
[28:15] Speaker 5: That that that's over six and a half yards per carry.
[28:17] Speaker 1: If you do the math, that's one of the greatest
[28:20] Speaker 1: running back seasons, maybe you know, the greatest of all time.
[28:24] Speaker 3: That would be in terms of total yards, that would
[28:26] Speaker 3: be in the top three or four.
[28:28] Speaker 5: All you figure he gets for that.
[28:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm saying he's saying, I'm talking about rushing yards. Yeah,
[28:36] Speaker 2: yards from scrimmage woul also be a fantastic season.
[28:37] Speaker 5: For sure.
[28:39] Speaker 1: He is maybe not the best indication of Arizona State's
[28:44] Speaker 1: education when when I've heard him talk, and yet you
[28:47] Speaker 1: know who else graduated from Arizona State, Jordan rod Rieg
[28:51] Speaker 1: and as she did, as she's pointed out to me,
[28:54] Speaker 1: like the journalism program, there great tradition. So I've learned
[28:57] Speaker 1: that about the sun Devils and kite. I think Scatabu
[29:01] Speaker 1: has just got to get healthy for a week one.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Although there's less around him than I expected. They're they're
[29:06] Speaker 1: kind of running it back with that same group. Devin
[29:09] Speaker 1: singletary is there and uh, Kim Skataboo, who am I
[29:13] Speaker 1: forgetting third year player? Come on, Tyrone Tracy, Tyrone Tracy?
[29:17] Speaker 1: Is there depth there?
[29:19] Speaker 3: I don't like the offensive lily that much.
[29:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't necessarily think scataboy even leads the team
[29:24] Speaker 1: in carries, but he's just got to prove that he's healthy.
[29:27] Speaker 1: While we're going around the different teams, let's just take
[29:32] Speaker 1: a step back for a second and let's talk about
[29:34] Speaker 1: some league events. We indicated Nashville could be getting the
[29:37] Speaker 1: twenty thirty Super Bowls. My goal to stay employed until
[29:41] Speaker 1: we get there. It is official now we now now
[29:43] Speaker 1: the next four Super Bowls will be LA Atlanta, Vegas,
[29:47] Speaker 1: and Nashville. So my goal shook is for the two
[29:50] Speaker 1: of us to be to be part of the NFL
[29:52] Speaker 1: daily coverage for all four of those.
[29:53] Speaker 5: That's official.
[29:54] Speaker 1: The NFL owners also voted to increase the amount of
[29:58] Speaker 1: international games that can be approved to ten.
[30:03] Speaker 5: That would be for next season.
[30:04] Speaker 1: That does not include the Jags Wembley game, so it
[30:07] Speaker 1: could be all the way up to eleven. The more
[30:10] Speaker 1: interesting part of this point is that they no longer
[30:14] Speaker 1: allow teams to protect home games from being taken away
[30:19] Speaker 1: from them for international series. In the past, they could
[30:23] Speaker 1: protect a ton of games, and then the protections kept
[30:25] Speaker 1: going lower and lower, and we were at the point
[30:27] Speaker 1: now where teams could only protect two games. And that's
[30:30] Speaker 1: the reason Shook more than anything else that you're seeing
[30:33] Speaker 1: better international games this year is because the home teams
[30:36] Speaker 1: weren't being able to say, sorry, you can't take that
[30:39] Speaker 1: game from us. And now there's better there's no protections
[30:42] Speaker 1: at all, so we might see even better international games
[30:45] Speaker 1: a year from now.
[30:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to see a better international slate.
[30:49] Speaker 3: We were seeing a better holiday slate.
[30:51] Speaker 2: The league is going very aggressive with the matchups, at
[30:53] Speaker 2: least in terms of projections for these big time stage events,
[30:56] Speaker 2: which is what they do.
[30:57] Speaker 3: That's how you grow the game.
[30:58] Speaker 2: It's I'm telling you, it's the steady march toward every
[31:02] Speaker 2: team getting one at some point in the next three
[31:05] Speaker 2: or four years. And it starts by putting marque matchups,
[31:07] Speaker 2: because once you normalize marquee matchups overseas, then it's like
[31:11] Speaker 2: a runaway train and you can open all the doors
[31:13] Speaker 2: for all the big time games.
[31:14] Speaker 5: Yeah you can. You can't go back and calm down.
[31:16] Speaker 1: We got that's you're adding you're making an eighteen game
[31:20] Speaker 1: season eventually, but we've already added one game. Be generous,
[31:23] Speaker 1: and you're still going to get eight home games in
[31:26] Speaker 1: that season. Like that, right, but you're still getting eight
[31:30] Speaker 1: home games in that season. They only do it generally
[31:33] Speaker 1: unless you're a Jaguars fan. When when you've got the
[31:36] Speaker 1: extra home game, they're thinking about this, they're not thinking
[31:39] Speaker 1: about how to properly respect Jackson Smith and jig But
[31:43] Speaker 1: I can't believe after what Drewski did at the NFL
[31:46] Speaker 1: Honors making a joke about his name, which legitimately was disrespectful,
[31:50] Speaker 1: and I think Honors could have done a better job
[31:52] Speaker 1: apologizing and making amends to that on the night instead
[31:56] Speaker 1: of kind of later while everyone forgot saying something about
[31:59] Speaker 1: it else sends him the Offensive Player of the Year award.
[32:03] Speaker 1: I believe we have the graphic to it where they
[32:08] Speaker 1: misspell offensive player of the Year. His brother tweeted about
[32:16] Speaker 1: this and and was quite annoyed about it. Jackson Smith
[32:19] Speaker 1: and Jigba put it out on stories and just saying
[32:22] Speaker 1: it's getting disrespectful at this point looking at it, everyone
[32:26] Speaker 1: made an understandable assumption shook that they misspelled defensive Player
[32:33] Speaker 1: of the Year or that it was a defensive Player
[32:36] Speaker 1: of the Year award, because it looks like it says
[32:38] Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, but it was actually somehow
[32:42] Speaker 1: misspelling offensive player of the year. They essentially just changed
[32:46] Speaker 1: the d and defensive Player of the Year to oh.
[32:49] Speaker 1: I mean, it's und it's unbelievable. I mean, you were
[32:52] Speaker 1: you work right, and you're you're into copy editing. I mean,
[32:55] Speaker 1: what about attention to detail? Here shook exactly. Quality control
[32:59] Speaker 1: major fail. You're in quality control. You're getting that thing
[33:01] Speaker 1: in grave. You're telling me that's not clearing a couple
[33:03] Speaker 1: of people.
[33:04] Speaker 2: What are we doing, folks, I as a former copy
[33:07] Speaker 2: editor for a long time and somebody who prides himself
[33:09] Speaker 2: on submitting clean copy. Get it together, run a spell check.
[33:13] Speaker 2: It's built in. For god's sake, they.
[33:17] Speaker 5: They got to.
[33:18] Speaker 1: I'm shocked actually that there wouldn't be more quality, because
[33:21] Speaker 1: it has to mean that only one or two people
[33:23] Speaker 1: looked at that award before they put it. Yeah, at
[33:24] Speaker 1: most just the guy that made it, I presume, and
[33:29] Speaker 1: then they just passed it on and gave it over
[33:31] Speaker 1: to the FedEx.
[33:32] Speaker 2: The effects of the Great Dump Down we're all reliant
[33:35] Speaker 2: on technology, we forget how to spell.
[33:36] Speaker 1: It is crazy too. It would have been more disrespect.
[33:39] Speaker 1: It would have been insane if they had misspelled his name.
[33:41] Speaker 1: It was that's just sloppy. Obviously, could have happened to
[33:44] Speaker 1: any player, but the fact that it happened to Smith
[33:46] Speaker 1: and Jigbow was insane. After the juiceky thing, I don't
[33:50] Speaker 1: mind him and his brother feeling a certain type of way.
[33:52] Speaker 1: Our final two points, number nineteen is Michael Pittman, who
[33:57] Speaker 1: remarked just how odd it was. Yes, Michael Pittman is
[34:01] Speaker 1: a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's out there first
[34:04] Speaker 1: day of OTAs it's a whole new world, and there
[34:07] Speaker 1: he is catching passes from the multiple time MVP Aaron Rodgers.
[34:13] Speaker 4: Even in like the first day, I mean, he made
[34:15] Speaker 4: a couple of great throws and I was like, wow,
[34:18] Speaker 4: like I'm really playing with Aaron. So it's great. I mean,
[34:21] Speaker 4: I get to play with another Hall of Fame quarterback
[34:24] Speaker 4: because I got to play with Philip Rivers. So I'm
[34:27] Speaker 4: gonna say he's gonna make it, but so this is
[34:30] Speaker 4: my second so it's great.
[34:32] Speaker 1: What respect not just for Philip Rivers, but for all
[34:37] Speaker 1: of us that do this for a living. I hate
[34:39] Speaker 1: it when just the broadcasters throw out, oh, future Hall
[34:41] Speaker 1: of famer. Pittman caught himself in the moment and wanted
[34:44] Speaker 1: to explain, I'm not just throwing that out there. I
[34:47] Speaker 1: believe Philip Rivers should be in, but we welcome you.
[34:51] Speaker 5: Michael Pittman.
[34:52] Speaker 1: I am the self appointed chairman of the Rivers for
[34:56] Speaker 1: Canton campaign. We now have an extra five years off
[34:59] Speaker 1: we didn't expect, but I will be leading the campaign
[35:03] Speaker 1: in about five years.
[35:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very happy to say that I occupy a
[35:07] Speaker 2: co vice chair seat with Michael Pittman Junior now on
[35:11] Speaker 2: this board as we get Philip Rivers the Canton. Yeah, Mike,
[35:14] Speaker 2: Michael's gonna have to play another five years to figure
[35:16] Speaker 2: out whether that comes true. Four MVPs, by the way,
[35:19] Speaker 2: for Rodgers, and that's how many times that Pittman has scored.
[35:23] Speaker 2: He's caught four touchdown passes twice in his career. Over well,
[35:26] Speaker 2: we have six seasons here, twenty five total. I think
[35:29] Speaker 2: it would be a very successful first and probably only
[35:32] Speaker 2: year with Aaron Rodgers if he clears that by one
[35:36] Speaker 2: and a half to two times. If he gets to eight,
[35:38] Speaker 2: which would be a career high, wildly successful run with
[35:41] Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.
[35:42] Speaker 1: I knew Rogers had four, but it was just in
[35:45] Speaker 1: my head that it's crazy how Tom Brady quote unquote
[35:50] Speaker 1: only had three, and then you know Rogers got four.
[35:54] Speaker 5: Manning's got more than Brady.
[35:56] Speaker 1: He's got five, right, And there was his graphic going
[36:00] Speaker 1: around this week that annoyed Saints fans and it was like,
[36:03] Speaker 1: you know, who's the essentially the worst player out of
[36:06] Speaker 1: some horrible AI image of him and Mahomes and Brady
[36:11] Speaker 1: and Manning and Rogers all together, And to me, it's
[36:15] Speaker 1: kind of clearly Drew Brees. And they were like all
[36:17] Speaker 1: offended that that would even be a question.
[36:20] Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs. What are we doing here?
[36:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're trying to say that Mahomes isn't yet
[36:28] Speaker 1: better than Drew Brees. But I'm all about peak and
[36:30] Speaker 1: there's no question. It's like when they assemble like a
[36:32] Speaker 1: somebody sent me a.
[36:33] Speaker 2: Graphic of like all time great quarterbacks and like they're
[36:36] Speaker 2: like take one away, remove the worst one.
[36:38] Speaker 3: My body was like Dan Marino and I'm like get
[36:40] Speaker 3: out of here. Like he was awesome too. He just
[36:42] Speaker 3: didn't win any rings.
[36:43] Speaker 5: No, that was what the graphic was. It was essentially
[36:46] Speaker 5: take one away.
[36:49] Speaker 1: I was thinking about Mahomes and his career trajectory that like,
[36:53] Speaker 1: is he is he settling into it? I was trying
[36:55] Speaker 1: to think that we've never seen a career trajectory like Mahomes,
[36:58] Speaker 1: And then I thought maybe Marino. If Mahome settles into
[37:03] Speaker 1: a certain sort of career, I don't think it's going
[37:05] Speaker 1: to be like that. But he was the best out
[37:08] Speaker 1: the gate, kind of like Marino, and now he's settling
[37:11] Speaker 1: into a different career.
[37:11] Speaker 2: He's achieved more, he's I think he's going to surpass
[37:14] Speaker 2: him if he hasn't already.
[37:15] Speaker 3: But yeah, when it's all said now, I can understand
[37:17] Speaker 3: that comparison.
[37:18] Speaker 2: But again, like when it comes to awards, it's like basketball,
[37:21] Speaker 2: like Lebron could be the MVP every year for like
[37:23] Speaker 2: fifteen years, but people get tired of naming the same
[37:25] Speaker 2: guy MVP, so they change it up.
[37:27] Speaker 1: Our final point number twenty a nice round number to
[37:31] Speaker 1: put in that YouTube image. I wanted in the image
[37:34] Speaker 1: twenty twenty things we learned. Aaron Rodgers at the podium
[37:40] Speaker 1: with a little breaking news.
[37:41] Speaker 5: As we're taping this.
[37:43] Speaker 11: You know, I thought that that was probably it for
[37:46] Speaker 11: me in Pittsburgh. But when decision was made to higher Mike,
[37:51] Speaker 11: I start opened my mind back up to coming back
[37:54] Speaker 11: to work. He could be your last year.
[37:58] Speaker 6: You even to play to that right now?
[37:59] Speaker 5: Yes, this is it, Yeah, this is it. Definitive, Chuck.
[38:08] Speaker 2: I mean, he did leave the door open last year,
[38:10] Speaker 2: and he did walk through that door this week. I
[38:13] Speaker 2: find it fascinating that Mike McCarthy's hiring was what brought
[38:16] Speaker 2: him back, because then it leads us all to believe
[38:18] Speaker 2: it kind of confirms what we all thought when they
[38:19] Speaker 2: hired Mike McCarthy was that it was related to Aaron
[38:21] Speaker 2: Rodgers at least in some regard. And now I'm very
[38:24] Speaker 2: curious to see exactly what they can produce together because
[38:26] Speaker 2: they did have a lot of success in Green Bay
[38:28] Speaker 2: back in the day. It's just hilarious that hiring Mike
[38:31] Speaker 2: McCarthy is what made you decide, you know what, I'm
[38:33] Speaker 2: not going to retire, but I'll give it one more go.
[38:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that it will be his last season.
[38:40] Speaker 1: That's the most likely outcome. If close listeners to NFL Daily,
[38:46] Speaker 1: you know, remember that this was a question throughout last year,
[38:50] Speaker 1: and it was an open question whether he was going
[38:53] Speaker 1: to come back or not. But if he for some
[38:55] Speaker 1: reason played outstanding this year at age forty three.
[39:00] Speaker 5: Then I no longer believe it.
[39:01] Speaker 1: So I don't totally believe it, but that seems when
[39:04] Speaker 1: you start getting.
[39:05] Speaker 3: Gifts from teams every week, then we'll know it's real.
[39:07] Speaker 1: These things don't go well. I think it's really hard.
[39:09] Speaker 1: I think it's over simplifying it. But when you think
[39:13] Speaker 1: of that quote, like once you're already thinking about retirement,
[39:15] Speaker 1: you're you're already retired. These last seasons, they're they're tough,
[39:19] Speaker 1: and in almost every sport, when you know that you're
[39:23] Speaker 1: walking away. I think Tom Brady basically knew he was
[39:26] Speaker 1: walking away in that last season. I think I think
[39:28] Speaker 1: it was tough for him. It was, you know, probably
[39:31] Speaker 1: his most disappointing season, and he didn't play the same
[39:34] Speaker 1: sort of style.
[39:36] Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be really tough on him.
[39:37] Speaker 1: We did it twenty points, shuck, What do you give
[39:40] Speaker 1: our Matten score for this show? Just possible to know
[39:46] Speaker 1: who's not retiring your kid either of us. Okay, that's
[39:50] Speaker 1: absolutely true. We got families to feed. We also got
[39:54] Speaker 1: another show this week. Well, other shows are ranking the quarterbacks,
[39:59] Speaker 1: like I'm you can check out Nate Tice, Mita Kim's
[40:01] Speaker 1: doing the same. We're ranking edge rushers. We're gonna save
[40:04] Speaker 1: the quarterbacks till later in the season. Me Olli Connolly
[40:07] Speaker 1: ranking all the edge rushers. That's Thursday's show. We will
[40:10] Speaker 1: see them. I'd say ninety two

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