# Minicamp Winners and Losers

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 18 Jun 2026, 48 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Evan Silva wrap up minicamp season by telling you who they are feeling bullish on and who is headed into summer in a tough spot. Find out if Gregg and Evan think Kenneth Walker III, De’Von Achane, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Jeremiyah Love, Tyler Shough, Daniel Jones, Brian Thomas Jr. and others are minicamp winners and losers. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where Mini camp season is officially over.
[0:09] Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in Los Angeles talking to my friend,
[0:14] Speaker 1: my former co worker, the goat of the fantasy football industry.
[0:19] Speaker 1: It is Evan Silva of established the run. With all
[0:23] Speaker 1: the work on the grass and shorts done for the offseason, Silva,
[0:28] Speaker 1: we're going to do some winners and losers today. Are
[0:31] Speaker 1: you ready?
[0:32] Speaker 2: I'm ready. I think I'm gonna put more of a
[0:34] Speaker 2: fantasy angle on mine. Please, yeah, so, I think it'd
[0:39] Speaker 2: be good.
[0:41] Speaker 1: Silva, of course came up at road a World. We
[0:45] Speaker 1: worked together there a long time. He's big in the
[0:48] Speaker 1: fantasy world. I thought, that's why it'd be good to
[0:50] Speaker 1: have you, because you're paying as a close attention to
[0:54] Speaker 1: the news nitty gritty as anyone ups and downs, and
[0:57] Speaker 1: you can only learn so much from mini camp season.
[1:00] Speaker 1: But before we said goodbye to it completely, eleven teams
[1:03] Speaker 1: had mini camps this week, the last of them and
[1:06] Speaker 1: including the Jets, had their you know, their final work
[1:09] Speaker 1: on Wednesday or Thursday. I think the Chargers went into Thursday,
[1:13] Speaker 1: but just about everyone cut it short and now it's done.
[1:16] Speaker 1: I thought we'd have one final look back before we
[1:19] Speaker 1: get into some of the you know, true off season programming,
[1:22] Speaker 1: Like we have some wide receiver rankings coming on Sunday,
[1:25] Speaker 1: so Silva will help me out here. I'll be a
[1:27] Speaker 1: little less fantasy, just overall winners and losers. But why
[1:29] Speaker 1: don't you get us going. Let's do I have way
[1:31] Speaker 1: more winners than I don't have a ton of losers here. Yeah,
[1:34] Speaker 1: it's the off season, so why don't we just do
[1:36] Speaker 1: winners for a while and we'll wrap up the show
[1:39] Speaker 1: with losers. You can start us off.
[1:40] Speaker 2: It's easier to come up with winners than it is
[1:43] Speaker 2: to losers because this is the time for optimism. The
[1:45] Speaker 2: time during the off season is the time where you
[1:47] Speaker 2: can have hope and optimism. It's easier, like in when
[1:50] Speaker 2: we're doing our fantasy content to come up with sleepers
[1:54] Speaker 2: than bus. You know, it's either or breakout players than bus.
[1:59] Speaker 2: It's just easier to have optimism. And then when the
[2:03] Speaker 2: you know, we get down to the nitty gritty and
[2:04] Speaker 2: team start losing and players start playing poorly, you know
[2:08] Speaker 2: that then you know, the cream rises and the bottoms
[2:13] Speaker 2: fall out.
[2:13] Speaker 1: On the busts are easier to predict. I found from
[2:17] Speaker 1: doing this, like when you look back after the fact
[2:19] Speaker 1: you hit bus more often.
[2:21] Speaker 2: It's because you're to come up with like ten breakout
[2:23] Speaker 2: players and five bus, but you'll hit on four of the.
[2:25] Speaker 1: Bus because and I think the reason is it's just
[2:29] Speaker 1: human nature. Ultimately, we're more disappointed with more of the
[2:33] Speaker 1: players than we are, like pleasantly surprised. All right, get
[2:36] Speaker 1: us going.
[2:37] Speaker 2: With the winner. Kenneth Walker, I think was a huge
[2:40] Speaker 2: winner this offseason, got a really big contract from Kansas City,
[2:45] Speaker 2: going from a two way time share in Seattle with
[2:48] Speaker 2: Zach Sharboney, where that really you know, Kenneth Walker was
[2:51] Speaker 2: a player that a lot of people had really high
[2:53] Speaker 2: hopes for in Fantasy last year in Seattle, and Zach
[2:56] Speaker 2: Sharbonay essentially making it a fifty to fifty split took
[2:59] Speaker 2: a way so much and also getting the ball at
[3:01] Speaker 2: the goal line. Zach Sharboney was the preferred red zone
[3:04] Speaker 2: back for Seattle. Now Kenneth Walker goes to Kansas City,
[3:08] Speaker 2: where he's gone, I think he's going to be the
[3:10] Speaker 2: fulcrum of the offense, at least initially as Patrick Mahomes
[3:13] Speaker 2: makes his recovery way back from the ACL and the
[3:16] Speaker 2: MC and the LCL, and you know, Rashi Rice don't
[3:21] Speaker 2: really know what to think about him. Travis Kelcey, you
[3:24] Speaker 2: know he's pushing forty. The weapons just aren't there. Kenneth
[3:28] Speaker 2: Walker is going to be the weapon. If you look
[3:30] Speaker 2: at the the backfield competition that he has in Kansas City.
[3:34] Speaker 2: We're talking about Amari de Marcado, we're talking about a
[3:38] Speaker 2: rookie and Emmett Johnson. I think that Kenneth Walker, who's
[3:41] Speaker 2: a player who really returned about maybe fifth or sixth
[3:44] Speaker 2: round value in fantasy last year, is a locked in
[3:48] Speaker 2: end of the first round pick. I have him as
[3:50] Speaker 2: the RB four overall in Fantasy entering the line now.
[3:53] Speaker 1: All right, so we're getting into some good Fantasy football
[3:56] Speaker 1: prev territory. We'll have Evan back if he's willing for
[4:00] Speaker 1: the big Fantasy spectacular later leading up to the season.
[4:04] Speaker 1: I love that because just thinking about the Mini camp
[4:07] Speaker 1: of it all and the Ota season of it all,
[4:10] Speaker 1: the way they've talked about Walker, the investment that they've
[4:12] Speaker 1: placed in Walker. But more than anything, Silva, it's the
[4:16] Speaker 1: headline I saw the other day that's like, Amari de
[4:19] Speaker 1: Mercado looks like RB two if we had to choose
[4:22] Speaker 1: one right now, and I'm like, oh my god, that
[4:24] Speaker 1: is an old school. We really just have one guy
[4:27] Speaker 1: that's going to do everything for us.
[4:29] Speaker 2: That's exactly right and that's what we want out of it.
[4:32] Speaker 2: So one of the questions on Kenneth Walker coming out
[4:34] Speaker 2: of Michigan State was could he catch the football? Because
[4:37] Speaker 2: they did not throw him the ball at Michigan State,
[4:39] Speaker 2: and I think that's one of the reasons that he
[4:41] Speaker 2: didn't go in the first round of the NFL drafting
[4:43] Speaker 2: in the second round, we've seen that he can catch
[4:46] Speaker 2: over the last couple of seasons in Seattle. That's going
[4:49] Speaker 2: to be a big part of the way he's used,
[4:50] Speaker 2: I think now in Kansas City in a big addition
[4:53] Speaker 2: to his game. I think he's going to score a
[4:54] Speaker 2: bunch of touchdowns. Hit it. We know he can hit
[4:56] Speaker 2: big plays. And this is the Poey who just won
[4:58] Speaker 2: Super Bowl MV. I'm really excited about him in Casey.
[5:04] Speaker 1: So I have another chief. We're going to try to
[5:06] Speaker 1: go establish the run style. You guys always hit a
[5:08] Speaker 1: million topics and a really short amount of time because
[5:11] Speaker 1: they're Levitan's all about efficiency. Oh we only have you know,
[5:15] Speaker 1: so we don't have any time to waste. You can't
[5:17] Speaker 1: honk and have too much fun. You need to hit
[5:19] Speaker 1: seventy five players in forty minutes, So we'll try to
[5:21] Speaker 1: do that. Xavier Worthy was mentioned by The Athletic. You know,
[5:26] Speaker 1: if you had to choose an offseason MVP, he might
[5:29] Speaker 1: be a I hesitate to put too much into the
[5:32] Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy basket, but as you mentioned, another rocky off
[5:36] Speaker 1: season with for Rashi Rice, who to me is a
[5:38] Speaker 1: better player, but he's entering a year where like he'll
[5:43] Speaker 1: have to prove that he's worthy of a long term contract.
[5:45] Speaker 1: And it's just one of one of those things I noted. Like, Okay,
[5:47] Speaker 1: I know Worthy is the type of player that looks
[5:50] Speaker 1: good in these non padded practices, but just something I'm
[5:54] Speaker 1: gonna watch because he moves different than other players. And
[5:56] Speaker 1: if Andy Reid has a vision for him and he's
[5:58] Speaker 1: been all by himself there as kind of the wide
[6:00] Speaker 1: receiver one in the offseason, we'll see what they get
[6:02] Speaker 1: going for Xavier Worthy. Yeah, Savior Worthy love.
[6:05] Speaker 2: I know Andy Reid has had this obsession with trying
[6:09] Speaker 2: to find his next to Shawn Jackson, and you know
[6:12] Speaker 2: he tried it. He's trying it with Xavier Worth, and
[6:14] Speaker 2: he tried it with Mkole Hardman, and he sort of
[6:16] Speaker 2: tried it with the Anthony Thomas, and you know, there
[6:19] Speaker 2: have been you know, he has like a sort of
[6:21] Speaker 2: like a Taekwon Thornton. He has like a type of receiver.
[6:25] Speaker 2: I just feel like he has just not been able
[6:27] Speaker 2: to find that next DeShawn Jackson, And there were some
[6:30] Speaker 2: hope I feel like as a rookie for Xavier Worthy
[6:33] Speaker 2: to maybe be like that and just has not come
[6:36] Speaker 2: to fruition. But no question, the opportunity looks really good
[6:39] Speaker 2: on paper right now for Xavier wor Worthy. I've already
[6:42] Speaker 2: done about fifteen or twenty fantasy drafts, mostly best Ball,
[6:45] Speaker 2: but I've been drafting a little bit as Xavier Worthy.
[6:48] Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I thought his college tape was interesting. DeShawn
[6:52] Speaker 1: Jackson's an interesting cup like where a lot of it
[6:55] Speaker 1: was funneled through him. I do think there's more that
[6:57] Speaker 1: he can unlock at the pro level. But just someone
[7:01] Speaker 1: I noted say healthy, Yeah, he has to stay healthy.
[7:04] Speaker 2: That.
[7:04] Speaker 1: I just like it when I hear from the people
[7:07] Speaker 1: on the ground that they think he's had a good
[7:08] Speaker 1: year going into year three. All right, give me another one.
[7:11] Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. Can I pivots a loser?
[7:14] Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want, SOBA, all right, I
[7:17] Speaker 1: like it. Yeah.
[7:18] Speaker 2: I hate to say this because Devon a Chan is
[7:20] Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the NFL. Yeah, but
[7:24] Speaker 2: going from Tua, who was a dump down and a
[7:27] Speaker 2: checkdown machine, to Malik Willis, who in passing situations is
[7:33] Speaker 2: much more likely than Tua was to run and to
[7:35] Speaker 2: take off and try to make a play himself. That's
[7:38] Speaker 2: going to take away from one of Devon a Chan's
[7:41] Speaker 2: greatest strengths, and that's catching the football out of the
[7:44] Speaker 2: backdoord of making plays with the ball in his hands. Also,
[7:47] Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. We had established the run retreat recently,
[7:51] Speaker 2: and I drove there, I drove back, and on the
[7:53] Speaker 2: way back, I drove with Brandon Thorn. I made sure
[7:56] Speaker 2: that Brandon Thorn was sitting next to me for the
[7:58] Speaker 2: hour and a half drive home so I could pick
[8:00] Speaker 2: his brain. Brandon Thorne the pre eminent NFL media analyst
[8:05] Speaker 2: regarding offensive lineman literally like hangs out with offensive linemen
[8:09] Speaker 2: and offensive line coaches, and one of the biggest themes
[8:12] Speaker 2: that he hit on to me as we were talking
[8:14] Speaker 2: was the impact of Mike McDaniel. He really believes in
[8:19] Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel as a difference maker when it comes to
[8:23] Speaker 2: pretty much everything regarding offense. And I know that we
[8:26] Speaker 2: kind of know that, but to hear that from a
[8:27] Speaker 2: guy who's, you know, an offensive line analyst in particular,
[8:32] Speaker 2: and the difference is that Mike McDaniel can make on
[8:34] Speaker 2: an offense. From that standpoint, you know, I think that
[8:38] Speaker 2: losing him is going to be really really big, a
[8:41] Speaker 2: big negative, a net negative for the Dolphins and a
[8:45] Speaker 2: huge positive for the Chargers. And I don't know what
[8:49] Speaker 2: to think of Bobby Slowak. I really wanted to like
[8:51] Speaker 2: Bobby Slowick his first year with the Texans and things,
[8:54] Speaker 2: and then things kind of went downhill after that. And
[8:58] Speaker 2: he's the new OC in Miami, I mean, and I
[9:00] Speaker 2: just don't know if he can bring to the table
[9:02] Speaker 2: anything close to what Mike McDaniel could bring to the table.
[9:05] Speaker 2: And when we get to winners, I will talk about
[9:07] Speaker 2: a Charger.
[9:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, well I will pivot to the Chargers. But to
[9:11] Speaker 1: close the eighth chan point, it's also coming off a
[9:13] Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. We didn't know, yeah, that it was necessarily
[9:16] Speaker 1: a surgery, and so he's expected to be back for
[9:19] Speaker 1: training camp, but everyone is expected to be back for
[9:21] Speaker 1: trading camp. I do think the addition to Malik Willis
[9:24] Speaker 1: could unlock each other. They could be helping each other.
[9:29] Speaker 1: But it's a great point that look, Aaron Brewer was
[9:32] Speaker 1: incredible at center, Patrick Paul really developed at left tackle.
[9:37] Speaker 1: You know, you have a highly drafted rookie on the
[9:39] Speaker 1: offensive line. Will these guys be as good going to
[9:42] Speaker 1: this system with slook as they were with mcdealel.
[9:46] Speaker 2: That's one thing that I talked to about Thorn too.
[9:47] Speaker 2: As you mentioned Aaron Brewer, I asked him who if
[9:50] Speaker 2: he does not have a vote for was it Protector
[9:55] Speaker 2: of the Year but which it was won by Joe Tooney.
[9:58] Speaker 2: He thought that Aaron Brewer should have one Protector of
[10:02] Speaker 2: the Year last year. I thought that that was really interesting.
[10:04] Speaker 2: And that's also that's also a situation where he talked
[10:07] Speaker 2: about the effect of Mike McDaniel being able to turn
[10:10] Speaker 2: a guy like Aaron Brewer from you know, a super
[10:13] Speaker 2: undersized I don't think Aaron Brewer was drafted a super
[10:16] Speaker 2: undersized center into one of the best centers in football.
[10:20] Speaker 2: Just being able to utilize him properly. YEP.
[10:23] Speaker 1: He's dynamic, and he's one of the guys they are
[10:26] Speaker 1: building around. McDaniel's one of my off season winners just
[10:29] Speaker 1: because he's in this position right now as the coordinator
[10:33] Speaker 1: that he's giving given full autonomy on a Jim Harbaugh team,
[10:38] Speaker 1: which seems crazy. He's allowed to come up with this
[10:40] Speaker 1: plan where justin Herbert's not even throwing on certain days
[10:45] Speaker 1: during the offseason and he's working exclusively on footwork. He's
[10:49] Speaker 1: got like you know, they're trying to get it, so
[10:50] Speaker 1: he gets rid of the ball a little quicker with
[10:52] Speaker 1: his right foot forward at the snap, so it's quick.
[10:55] Speaker 1: It's all this stuff. But there was a quote this
[10:57] Speaker 1: week that made me write him down for this exercise Silva,
[11:00] Speaker 1: which you know, Harbo was asked about McDaniel and he said, well,
[11:04] Speaker 1: that's our leader. We just listened to what he says.
[11:07] Speaker 1: That's your leader. Jim Harbaugh is saying, right, that's our leader.
[11:10] Speaker 2: So mcdid not always the kind of guy to defer somebody.
[11:13] Speaker 2: You know, Jim Harbaugh is an alpha.
[11:16] Speaker 1: Right, and the fact that he's saying that, and if
[11:18] Speaker 1: you're McDaniel, some of the videos with him and Quinton Johnson,
[11:22] Speaker 1: I love and then you also get the best tackle duo,
[11:26] Speaker 1: at least young tackle duo in the league back healthy,
[11:28] Speaker 1: and all the signs have been really good for that.
[11:30] Speaker 1: It just feels like it's been an off season of McDaniel.
[11:33] Speaker 1: The combination of McDaniel Harbaugh and then the Chargers social
[11:37] Speaker 1: team very dynamic together and the wires. It's gonna be big,
[11:43] Speaker 1: all right, give you another one.
[11:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm just going to go to Justin
[11:46] Speaker 2: Herbert for basically all the reasons that we just outlined.
[11:49] Speaker 2: That was another thing that Thorn really harped on was
[11:51] Speaker 2: the return of for Shaun Slater and Joe Alt, and like,
[11:55] Speaker 2: we have statistics that establish around the on and off
[11:58] Speaker 2: stats for when SLA and or really Alt because Slater
[12:02] Speaker 2: didn't play very much at all, so the sample size
[12:05] Speaker 2: wasn't too big, but the on off stats for Joe
[12:08] Speaker 2: Alt were massive last season. And that's another point in
[12:13] Speaker 2: the direction of Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert is like in
[12:15] Speaker 2: terms of if you look at sportsbook odds, am I'm
[12:18] Speaker 2: allowed to mention those.
[12:20] Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want, Okay, I like it.
[12:22] Speaker 1: I can't personally do any you know, betting myself.
[12:26] Speaker 2: No, I'm not even gonna make a betting recommendation. I
[12:29] Speaker 2: actually don't even think it's that great of a bet.
[12:30] Speaker 2: But if you just look at the sports bet sports
[12:33] Speaker 2: betting odds right now for Justin Herbert, he's like top
[12:35] Speaker 2: five or top six. He was ten to one last
[12:37] Speaker 2: time I looked. He's like one of the favorites for MVP.
[12:41] Speaker 2: Sportsbooks tend to know what they're doing, so I put
[12:45] Speaker 2: a little bit of stock in that. But certainly the
[12:47] Speaker 2: return of the offensive offensive tackles the addition of Mike McDaniel.
[12:51] Speaker 2: I think that this is the year that Justin Herbert
[12:53] Speaker 2: really breaks through. You know, we've seen the potential of
[12:57] Speaker 2: Justin Herbert. I think that this is his year.
[12:59] Speaker 1: We have a quarterbacks draft coming up before the fourth
[13:03] Speaker 1: of July holiday. It's me and John Ledyard and yeah,
[13:06] Speaker 1: I was really struggling with where where to put Herbert
[13:09] Speaker 1: based on how last year ended. But you know, comparing
[13:14] Speaker 1: him to some of the like the established guys, like
[13:16] Speaker 1: like a Stafford, like can he pass those guys yet?
[13:19] Speaker 1: He hasn't earned it, but it does feel like he
[13:21] Speaker 1: is set up to have a great season. Another quarterback
[13:24] Speaker 1: in that ballpark who I think is going to be
[13:27] Speaker 1: great this season. Is Joe Burrow I'm gonna give just
[13:31] Speaker 1: like his confidence as a winner, like just just the
[13:36] Speaker 1: Joe Burrow aura right now because he was so sad
[13:40] Speaker 1: at the end of last year and now you know,
[13:43] Speaker 1: he's making pretty bold quotes at the podium. Let's actually
[13:47] Speaker 1: listen to Joe Burrow this week at the conclusion of
[13:51] Speaker 1: the Bengals mini camp.
[13:53] Speaker 3: I think that's great, you know, put pressure on guys.
[13:58] Speaker 3: I love it thriving. We'll find out who else does
[14:04] Speaker 3: I know that we have the kind of people that
[14:07] Speaker 3: want to be in that spot. Want I want everybody
[14:11] Speaker 3: talking about the Bengals. I want everybody talking about what
[14:14] Speaker 3: I'm saying in my press conferences.
[14:17] Speaker 4: Is he You know, you go back and watch what
[14:20] Speaker 4: I said before twenty nineteen season at LSU. You know,
[14:23] Speaker 4: I feel very similarly about this team.
[14:28] Speaker 2: You know, I'm so excited to get started and.
[14:31] Speaker 4: Get moving, and I wish we would ramp this right
[14:34] Speaker 4: into training camp so we can continue to improve because
[14:38] Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, there's so much greatness that
[14:41] Speaker 4: we're going to be able to achieve this year.
[14:44] Speaker 3: I'm just excited to get going.
[14:46] Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for this stuff. Him talking about twenty nineteen,
[14:50] Speaker 1: lsu that he feels the same as before that season,
[14:53] Speaker 1: and go back and check the tape, and the writer
[14:56] Speaker 1: for The Athletic, Paul Dator, did go check what his
[14:58] Speaker 1: quotes were, and he said before that season, he thinks
[15:00] Speaker 1: they're going to score forty fifty points a game, and
[15:02] Speaker 1: people thought he was insane there, and they literally have
[15:04] Speaker 1: aged forty eight points per game. It seems very purposeful,
[15:08] Speaker 1: like how Joe Burrow is kind of standing up there.
[15:11] Speaker 1: He's sitting up and saying that he thinks this is
[15:13] Speaker 1: going to be the best Bengals team. Like I'm buying
[15:16] Speaker 1: it a little bit.
[15:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to see him with that kind of
[15:20] Speaker 2: body language because we've seen him with bad body language
[15:23] Speaker 2: before too, you know, so I like seeing him up.
[15:26] Speaker 2: He just needs to stay healthy. He's Adam Levitan's pick
[15:29] Speaker 2: this year for MVP. I mean, and I think that
[15:33] Speaker 2: he's as good. He just got to stay healthy. If
[15:35] Speaker 2: he can stay healthy healthy, and Tea can stay healthy
[15:38] Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase can stay healthy, They're going to score
[15:40] Speaker 2: a ton of points. I mean, there's no question about that.
[15:43] Speaker 1: It's interesting that he said he has made a point
[15:47] Speaker 1: to be more urgent talking to players to push players.
[15:51] Speaker 1: He even used the word I I've even been kind
[15:54] Speaker 1: of mean, which like if he actually was mean, he
[15:56] Speaker 1: wouldn't use the word I've been mean. Doesn't seem like
[15:58] Speaker 1: a mean guy, but if you watch the Quarterback Show
[16:00] Speaker 1: on Netflix, I think that's something he struggled with. He's
[16:04] Speaker 1: maybe a quiet leader. He's not gonna say much. You
[16:07] Speaker 1: always want a guy to be natural, but he has
[16:09] Speaker 1: been saying that he knows how important he is to
[16:12] Speaker 1: everyone around him, and he's tried to be a little
[16:15] Speaker 1: bit more of like a vocal, kick ass type of guy.
[16:18] Speaker 1: This season. You're putting a lot of pressure on themselves.
[16:20] Speaker 1: It's definitely even ownership. Silva essentially said it was a
[16:25] Speaker 1: win or else season for their GM coach combination. They
[16:28] Speaker 1: wanted to give it one more chance. So it's like
[16:30] Speaker 1: all or nothing this year for the Bengals. But I
[16:32] Speaker 1: kind of like Burrow changing how he is acting.
[16:35] Speaker 2: I do too.
[16:38] Speaker 1: I'll keep going because I got a million winners. I'm
[16:40] Speaker 1: gonna do AJ Brown just obviously, this is what happened
[16:45] Speaker 1: during Nick the mini camp, you know period and Ota
[16:50] Speaker 1: period was the AJ Brown trade. And I think it's
[16:52] Speaker 1: been a lot of focus on what AJ Brown can
[16:57] Speaker 1: do for Drake May, but I think it might be
[16:59] Speaker 1: more important what you're they can do for AJ Brown.
[17:02] Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't had a quarterback like this ever
[17:07] Speaker 1: maybe and certainly didn't have it in Philadelphia, and at
[17:11] Speaker 1: this point of his career where I think it's gonna
[17:13] Speaker 1: be great for his motivation but also for his versatility.
[17:15] Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be able to use a J.
[17:17] Speaker 1: Brown over the middle of the field, obviously deep down
[17:20] Speaker 1: the field, one of the best deep ball throwers. And
[17:22] Speaker 1: I think Drake May could be rejuvenating AJ Brown even
[17:26] Speaker 1: more than AJ Brown is really juicing up this Patriots offense.
[17:30] Speaker 2: You're right about the play of the quarterback. Do you
[17:32] Speaker 2: know who AJ Brown's quarterback in college was? Jordan Taamu? No,
[17:39] Speaker 2: I definitely did not Jordan Taamu. And he had AJ
[17:43] Speaker 2: Brown and DK Metcalf and Dawson Knox.
[17:46] Speaker 1: He cost them money. He made a lot of NFL teams,
[17:49] Speaker 1: including Bill Belichick drafting Nikhil Harry over both those guys
[17:53] Speaker 1: look pretty dumb, But that was on That was on
[17:56] Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and then and then who did he have
[17:58] Speaker 1: early in the Tennessee gac. He had Tannehill there, so
[18:01] Speaker 1: like that's okay, but it's not.
[18:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shoot Tannehill might be his best I don't know,
[18:08] Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna go with a loser, a surprise loser.
[18:11] Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love. Now he's a winner, you know, independently from
[18:16] Speaker 2: the standpoint that he's like, you know, one of the
[18:17] Speaker 2: highest drafted running backs in recent modern NFL history, and
[18:22] Speaker 2: he has the most guaranteed money of any running back
[18:24] Speaker 2: in the NFL now because of that, So he himself
[18:28] Speaker 2: was a winner of the offseason. But going to a horrible,
[18:34] Speaker 2: horribly I think, one of the worst run organizations in
[18:37] Speaker 2: the NFL, where initially he's gonna have to split time
[18:40] Speaker 2: I think. I mean, they gave money to Tyler Algier,
[18:45] Speaker 2: you know, and even they brought back James Connor, who
[18:48] Speaker 2: I think is I mean, I don't think you bring
[18:49] Speaker 2: back James Connor unless he's gonna play at least something
[18:51] Speaker 2: of a role. So he goes to a three way
[18:54] Speaker 2: time share on a bad team and his offensive coordinator
[18:58] Speaker 2: is Nathaniel and fn Hackett, okay, and also Mike Lafleur.
[19:03] Speaker 2: What is going on with the hair with Mike Lafleur.
[19:06] Speaker 1: I mean, I know you have the head coach air cut.
[19:08] Speaker 1: I mean he's the other guy. Yeah, he can pull
[19:11] Speaker 1: it off.
[19:12] Speaker 2: Maybe he's jealous. I don't have that. I don't have
[19:14] Speaker 2: that beautiful head of hair myself. But he can pull
[19:17] Speaker 2: it off anyways. But Nathaniel Hackett, let's focus focus on
[19:20] Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett. He has never had success in the NFL.
[19:23] Speaker 2: So I just it's gonna be a really long year
[19:25] Speaker 2: for the Cardinals. For Jeremiah Love. Are the Cardinals even
[19:28] Speaker 2: in any way incentivized He's gonna he's gonna playing in
[19:31] Speaker 2: the same back with Carson Beck for the majority. Are
[19:34] Speaker 2: the Cardinals even incentivized at all to win this year
[19:38] Speaker 2: at all? Really? I mean, I don't think that they are.
[19:41] Speaker 2: So I don't think that they end up giving the
[19:43] Speaker 2: ball to Jeremiah Love as much as people would expect,
[19:46] Speaker 2: especially when you have Algier and James Connor. I don't
[19:49] Speaker 2: even know if they're gonna. I think they're gonna struggle
[19:51] Speaker 2: to get first out. It's just a really bad situation,
[19:53] Speaker 2: at least initially for Jeremiah Love.
[19:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, James Connor took a pay cut to stay in theory,
[19:59] Speaker 1: they could still cut it. They guaranteed him. I think
[20:01] Speaker 1: a couple million dollars is not much, but he took
[20:03] Speaker 1: a pay cut. You figure they're going to keep him.
[20:05] Speaker 1: They'll maybe try to trade Trey Benson at some point.
[20:08] Speaker 2: You're right.
[20:08] Speaker 1: The workload just isn't going to be what you want
[20:11] Speaker 1: for Jeremiah Love. Hopefully just hits the big plays and
[20:13] Speaker 1: he does it as a receiver Reggie Bush style, like
[20:17] Speaker 1: a bigger Reggie Bush. I had Jacoby Brissett as one
[20:22] Speaker 1: of my losers. So since we're talking Cardinals, just the
[20:25] Speaker 1: fact that they're already sprinkling out there among the media
[20:30] Speaker 1: and even some of the coaches of like Carson Beck
[20:32] Speaker 1: could be in the mix this season. You can just
[20:34] Speaker 1: see where this is going that at some point Carson
[20:37] Speaker 1: Beck is going to be starting games. Meanwhile Jacoby Brissett
[20:40] Speaker 1: is sitting out of camp. They're saying it's an open competition.
[20:45] Speaker 1: Now Gardner Minshew is in the mix. It's just bad
[20:48] Speaker 1: timing for Jacoby Brissett that you know, he played pretty
[20:51] Speaker 1: well late last season, but a new staff comes in.
[20:54] Speaker 1: I don't think he's as good a fit necessarily for
[20:56] Speaker 1: the Michael Fleur offense. They'd love a quarterback with like
[20:59] Speaker 1: a little bit of movement here and a little more
[21:02] Speaker 1: quick trigger, and he is not necessarily that. I don't
[21:04] Speaker 1: know if Gardner Minch is a great fit either, but
[21:07] Speaker 1: either way, the combination of it all makes Prisett a
[21:11] Speaker 1: loser and then makes us losers too, because I don't
[21:13] Speaker 1: want to be watching Carson Beck get killed by the
[21:16] Speaker 1: forty nine ers in the RAMS in like Week seven
[21:18] Speaker 1: and then think, man, we got ten games left of this.
[21:21] Speaker 1: But I could totally see that happening.
[21:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably what's going to happen. I'm
[21:25] Speaker 2: going to go with a winner. Okay, So you don't
[21:28] Speaker 2: always see a team commit to a second round quarterback
[21:33] Speaker 2: as they're like locked in guy even for the next season.
[21:35] Speaker 2: They're usually trying to add of bringing a veteran, you know,
[21:38] Speaker 2: even the year after they draft a quarterback in the
[21:41] Speaker 2: second round, or maybe they draft a quarterback in the
[21:43] Speaker 2: first round the following year after draft. Tyler Shuck, though
[21:46] Speaker 2: showed enough to them as a rookie was like nine
[21:49] Speaker 2: or ten starts last year that they didn't bring in anybody.
[21:54] Speaker 2: I mean, they brought in Zach Wilson, but he does
[21:57] Speaker 2: not count he'll be their third stringer. Spencer Rattler's returning
[22:00] Speaker 2: as the backup. You're getting back at healthy Chris Olive.
[22:03] Speaker 2: I know he had the blood clot thing, but Nick
[22:05] Speaker 2: Underhill reported he's gonna be good to go. They're not
[22:07] Speaker 2: worried about him. They bring in the number eight pick
[22:09] Speaker 2: in the draft, Jordan Tyson. They've got their entire offensive
[22:13] Speaker 2: line coming back healthy, had some injury issues last year,
[22:17] Speaker 2: and they added David Edwards from the Bills. So I mean,
[22:21] Speaker 2: you're talking about a lot of talent on their front
[22:24] Speaker 2: five right now. They've got one, two, three former first
[22:27] Speaker 2: round picks, a former second round pick, and Eric McCoy
[22:30] Speaker 2: and then David Edwards the big ticket addition at left guard.
[22:34] Speaker 2: This could be a really fun offense this year. Also,
[22:37] Speaker 2: they have they brought back Travis heat Or, they signed
[22:40] Speaker 2: Travis Etn and they're getting back Alvin Kamara as a
[22:43] Speaker 2: backup I think. So, I mean, there's just a lot
[22:46] Speaker 2: of talent around Tyler Shuck. He is set up to succeed.
[22:49] Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in Kellen Moore as well. Playing indoors,
[22:54] Speaker 2: you know, I think this could be a really fun,
[22:57] Speaker 2: productive season for Tyler Shuck.
[22:59] Speaker 1: He play. It doesn't take me wrong to realize long
[23:03] Speaker 1: to realize when I'm wrong on an evaluation. I was
[23:06] Speaker 1: really doubting Tyler Shuck, and within four or five games
[23:10] Speaker 1: you could see like he's going to have a long
[23:12] Speaker 1: career at worst, and I think he could be a
[23:14] Speaker 1: plus starter. I think for this season only, I would
[23:19] Speaker 1: take him over cam Ward and Jackson Dart as the
[23:22] Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty five guys. I think he just
[23:26] Speaker 1: does pro stuff. He gets through his reads really quickly.
[23:28] Speaker 1: The arm is more than good enough. If there's a
[23:31] Speaker 1: if there's an IT quarterback having a little bit of it,
[23:34] Speaker 1: I mean he he showed it. I think in some
[23:36] Speaker 1: late game situations, some comeback situations. The only knit I
[23:40] Speaker 1: would pick with you, Silva, is you were really stretching
[23:43] Speaker 1: it out to call, you know, the Caesar Ruiz former
[23:46] Speaker 1: first round pick. True, he is a former first round pick.
[23:49] Speaker 1: I'm not considering him a plus on that offensive line,
[23:52] Speaker 1: but the rest of the offensive line is no.
[23:54] Speaker 2: Actually, Brandon Torne we talked about that too, because I
[23:56] Speaker 2: was hyping up the Saints offensive line to him, and
[24:00] Speaker 2: he expressed the same concerns about Caesar Ruiz's He's probably
[24:03] Speaker 2: the low point on the offensive line, but I know
[24:07] Speaker 2: Thorn thinks that they could be like a top ten,
[24:08] Speaker 2: top twelve unit, so I will go with that. Also,
[24:12] Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck can run. Tyler Shuck in college, that was
[24:15] Speaker 2: not a part of his college profile. But then if
[24:17] Speaker 2: you looked at his combine numbers, he was like really athletic,
[24:20] Speaker 2: and they let him run last year. I mean, he
[24:23] Speaker 2: could run for like thirty thirty five yards a game.
[24:25] Speaker 2: That's really big in fantasy. And also it's just it
[24:28] Speaker 2: can be really debilitated, deflating to a defense. You know,
[24:31] Speaker 2: it's third down, you got him in you know, third
[24:34] Speaker 2: and seven. You think you're gonna you know, force the
[24:37] Speaker 2: turnover on downs and or you know, get the takeaway
[24:40] Speaker 2: or just get the ball back forced to punt. Tyler
[24:42] Speaker 2: Shuck can run for those seven yards. That can be
[24:44] Speaker 2: really deflating to the defense. I agree.
[24:47] Speaker 1: He reminds me a little as an athlete of Daniel Jones,
[24:51] Speaker 1: where I like, he's not gonna run around you or anything,
[24:54] Speaker 1: but just the straight line speed. He actually probably is
[24:58] Speaker 1: a little more flexible than than Daniel Jones, but he
[25:02] Speaker 1: made important plays with his leg. You're absolutely right actually,
[25:04] Speaker 1: I'll go to Daniel Jones. He's one of my winners.
[25:06] Speaker 1: I just thought coming off to the Achilles, we'll have
[25:12] Speaker 1: to see how it actually looks, because we heard, you know,
[25:15] Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is doing well and Aaron Rodgers was doing
[25:18] Speaker 1: well when they were coming off, and then they just
[25:19] Speaker 1: did not have it. He's obviously much younger, but he's
[25:22] Speaker 1: ahead of pace of where I thought he'd be. We're
[25:24] Speaker 1: at the point now where it'd be very surprising if
[25:27] Speaker 1: he doesn't start Week one, which I would not have
[25:29] Speaker 1: expected coming into the offseason. So just feels like a
[25:34] Speaker 1: reason why they gave him that contract was they felt
[25:36] Speaker 1: good about the rehab and and for the Colts and
[25:39] Speaker 1: the people around that you're counting on for fantasy. I
[25:43] Speaker 1: think it's a good sign that Daniel Jones expected at
[25:45] Speaker 1: this point to start Week one and might be pretty
[25:48] Speaker 1: full go to even start training camp.
[25:51] Speaker 2: That would be nice. We have high hopes for Josh
[25:54] Speaker 2: Downs to take a step this season. We see, you know,
[25:58] Speaker 2: Michael Pittman got moved and Alec Pierce coming off maybe
[26:04] Speaker 2: more extensive ankle surgery than was expected, and so maybe
[26:08] Speaker 2: we're hoping that Josh Downs can move in maybe even
[26:11] Speaker 2: lead the Colts in receiving.
[26:12] Speaker 1: Let's go this year that is all time. Not all time,
[26:17] Speaker 1: but one of my favorite sleeper picks certainly this year
[26:21] Speaker 1: is Josh Downs in fantasy always like.
[26:23] Speaker 2: The little guys. Rosenthal, I remember you were first on
[26:26] Speaker 2: Eddie Royal back in the day.
[26:29] Speaker 1: He's dynamic. I don't think people realize. I used to
[26:31] Speaker 1: say this about Alec Pierce that no matter how good
[26:33] Speaker 1: you think he is, he's better. I think the same
[26:35] Speaker 1: is true for Josh Downs. He just needs to say healthy.
[26:37] Speaker 1: In fact, I would expect him to lead that that
[26:39] Speaker 1: team in reception certainly. I don't know if it'll be
[26:41] Speaker 1: in yards, but I would throw Pierce up there as
[26:44] Speaker 1: a loser. They kind of go yea hand in hand
[26:46] Speaker 1: Downs as a winner and Alec Pierce as a mini
[26:49] Speaker 1: camp and offseason loser. Because we just never expected this
[26:52] Speaker 1: surgery to come up, and it sounds like it's ligaments.
[26:55] Speaker 1: He tried to avoid it. He's not going to be
[26:57] Speaker 1: ready during the preseason. I think week one is very
[26:59] Speaker 1: much question for Alec Pierce, the guy that really relies
[27:02] Speaker 1: on his speed. So that's you know, while we're talking Colts,
[27:06] Speaker 1: to me, a mini camp loser. Do you what do
[27:09] Speaker 1: you think about Tyler Warren this season for fantasy?
[27:12] Speaker 2: Yeah? I like him a lot. He's a stud. You know,
[27:15] Speaker 2: the history of dudes that have won Macki Awards is
[27:18] Speaker 2: really really good. I know it's just a college award,
[27:21] Speaker 2: but he was a Mackie Award winner and those guys
[27:25] Speaker 2: have awesome track records. So yeah, I love Tyler Warren.
[27:29] Speaker 2: Absolute baller, tight end What is he? Three?
[27:32] Speaker 1: Four?
[27:33] Speaker 2: I think he's tight end five for me. I have
[27:36] Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts ahead of him, another Mackie Award winner, and
[27:39] Speaker 2: that is very controversial. Levitan hates it.
[27:43] Speaker 1: I hate it too, Okay.
[27:45] Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts had eighty eight catches last year in one
[27:47] Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen targets.
[27:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's a different offense. He's just he's just
[27:54] Speaker 1: been inconsistent. The argument for it, I think he took
[27:57] Speaker 1: a step last year. Yeah, I think that's fair. And
[28:00] Speaker 1: I think the argument for him is that they're going
[28:04] Speaker 1: to be a high volume in terms of pass attempts offense.
[28:07] Speaker 1: I think with stefanskiin just a lot of short passes.
[28:09] Speaker 1: So yeah, PPR League like seven yard catches by Kyle
[28:14] Speaker 1: Pitts I'm going to give you another winner me my
[28:18] Speaker 1: Top one O one list. I won. We're down to
[28:21] Speaker 1: only eleven players left on my top one O one list,
[28:25] Speaker 1: so I consider that a win that just you know
[28:27] Speaker 1: the NFL is just ticking these guys off the board.
[28:29] Speaker 1: Cam Jordan is the latest one to go and a
[28:32] Speaker 1: half in a handful of the guys that are still
[28:34] Speaker 1: on the list that didn't get signed, like Taylor Decker,
[28:38] Speaker 1: Jimmy g Or at the very end, I think they're retiring.
[28:40] Speaker 1: So I don't even count that. But here are some
[28:42] Speaker 1: of the players. It was more of an excuse to
[28:44] Speaker 1: mention to the audience who is unsigned and give me
[28:48] Speaker 1: any thoughts if you have on any of these players
[28:50] Speaker 1: that stand out to you. Joey Bosa is out there.
[28:52] Speaker 1: I think he could retire potentially. Stefan Diggs and deebo
[28:55] Speaker 1: are the two from a wide receiver perspective that are
[28:59] Speaker 1: most compelling. On defense, you have Hassan Redick, Trevon Diggs,
[29:02] Speaker 1: Jodevian Clowney figures the land on a team eventually. Darren
[29:05] Speaker 1: Waller looked pretty good last year when he played, but
[29:07] Speaker 1: he's still out there unsigned. Diggs is probably the one
[29:12] Speaker 1: I'm looking at out of all those guys where he
[29:15] Speaker 1: could actually impact, like a fantasy outlook, even if you're
[29:18] Speaker 1: not drafting stuff on Diggs early or maybe even at all,
[29:22] Speaker 1: like he'll impact a room and in the right spot,
[29:24] Speaker 1: he could be like a good NFL third receiver.
[29:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think that maybe partly
[29:31] Speaker 2: what has contributed to Stephan Diggs not so far signing
[29:34] Speaker 2: is the weird off the field stuff that's been going on.
[29:37] Speaker 2: I try to not pay attention to. I'll I have
[29:39] Speaker 2: to pay attention to it a little bit, but I
[29:41] Speaker 2: don't know the stuff on TMZ and all that.
[29:43] Speaker 1: They're human. They you should be paying attention this. The
[29:46] Speaker 1: NFL teams are paying attention. But to that point, you know,
[29:49] Speaker 1: as I just know.
[29:50] Speaker 2: That there's off all I need to know as a
[29:52] Speaker 2: fantasy analyst is that there's off field stuff going on,
[29:56] Speaker 2: and eventually he will get signed. That that's all I
[29:58] Speaker 2: need to know.
[29:58] Speaker 1: Well, the NFL, you know, essentially cleared him that you know,
[30:04] Speaker 1: he the charges were dropped in the NFL confirmed that
[30:07] Speaker 1: he's not going to be suspended under the Personal Conduct Policy,
[30:12] Speaker 1: so he is clear to sign Somewhere, I'm not sure
[30:15] Speaker 1: what team that could be. It might be a team
[30:18] Speaker 1: that has an injury in the preseason. If the Texans
[30:20] Speaker 1: lost someone, you know, he has familiarity there, that's where
[30:23] Speaker 1: you look to first. I don't think Buffalo would want
[30:25] Speaker 1: him back again. All right, it's time for the offseason
[30:30] Speaker 1: ride along presented by Toyota. Who else you got for
[30:33] Speaker 1: a winner or loser?
[30:35] Speaker 2: Oh, Basehal Tutin, let's go. So I was like pretty
[30:40] Speaker 2: high on Baseheal Tuton entering last season. I thought he
[30:43] Speaker 2: had a sort of disappointing first season. He didn't even
[30:46] Speaker 2: get to four hundred total yards from scrimmage, and so
[30:52] Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I kind of lowered my expectations.
[30:55] Speaker 2: And then when they signed Chris Roder, they tried to
[30:57] Speaker 2: sign JK. Dobbins, but JK. Dobbins went back to Denver.
[31:00] Speaker 2: They wanted JK Dobbs. Then they settled for Chris Rodriguez,
[31:03] Speaker 2: who knows Liam Cohen from Kentucky. But Chris Rodriguez is
[31:07] Speaker 2: very limited. First of all, he's really not a factor
[31:10] Speaker 2: at all in the passing game. I think he can run.
[31:11] Speaker 2: He can run the rock. I mean, the average four
[31:13] Speaker 2: and a half yards per carry last year in Washington.
[31:16] Speaker 2: But that's all he is. You know, he's an early
[31:18] Speaker 2: down grinder, and he pops up with this injury. He
[31:22] Speaker 2: misses everything in the offseason, so he's not even having
[31:26] Speaker 2: the capability to show the coaching staff that he could
[31:30] Speaker 2: maybe be a factor, you know, as a pass blocker
[31:32] Speaker 2: in or pass receiver. So it's been baseall Toton eating
[31:35] Speaker 2: that up. Lequin Allen returns, but he's sort of like
[31:38] Speaker 2: a samaj p RN sort of player where the he
[31:42] Speaker 2: might play a decent amount of snatch, but the team
[31:43] Speaker 2: is really not going to try to get him the ball.
[31:45] Speaker 2: Baseall Tuton is really explosive coming out of Virginia Tech.
[31:49] Speaker 2: He ran four three to two. He's got a lot
[31:52] Speaker 2: of dynamic ability. He just needs to stay healthy, earn
[31:56] Speaker 2: the trust of the coaching staff. Having all these reps
[31:58] Speaker 2: in the offseason I think can help contribute toward him
[32:02] Speaker 2: carving out like a clear cut, potentially clear cut lead
[32:05] Speaker 2: back role for an above average offense.
[32:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, we are part of the Tuton hive here at
[32:12] Speaker 1: NFL Daily. I think his tape last year was better
[32:15] Speaker 1: than the number showed. He was always in a lot
[32:17] Speaker 1: of short yard situations, which kind of depressed his average,
[32:20] Speaker 1: but just the burst, the juice that he has is obvious,
[32:25] Speaker 1: and yeah, I think that's a good call. And yet
[32:26] Speaker 1: he was not the official offseason MVP according to John Shipley,
[32:32] Speaker 1: who covers the Jaguars, that was my guy, Brian Thomas,
[32:35] Speaker 1: who gets an offseason winner for me. I've talked about
[32:38] Speaker 1: him a lot this offseason. I don't want to keep
[32:40] Speaker 1: repeating myself, but it does well.
[32:42] Speaker 2: He broke he broke our collective hearts last year.
[32:44] Speaker 1: Yes, I think the light bulb has gone back on here.
[32:48] Speaker 1: He gets the offense that he's in. And Liam Cohen,
[32:51] Speaker 1: who is not that generous with praise, like he speaks
[32:56] Speaker 1: the truth, has just been saying all off season how
[33:00] Speaker 1: Thomas is dominating, and it's supposedly at practice he's just
[33:04] Speaker 1: been lighting it up and he has loved everything he saw.
[33:07] Speaker 1: And so when you get one wrong, Silva, you know
[33:10] Speaker 1: this as a fantasy and analyst, you can either back
[33:14] Speaker 1: off if what you see really worries you, or as
[33:18] Speaker 1: a watch on YouTube a nice clip of Thomas weaving
[33:21] Speaker 1: through a defense at practice, or you could do a
[33:24] Speaker 1: little dollar cost averaging stick with him if you thought
[33:28] Speaker 1: he was a top ten guy, last year. Now he's
[33:30] Speaker 1: going in like wide receiver twenty five or something. Give
[33:34] Speaker 1: me some of that and just go back to the
[33:35] Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm doing.
[33:38] Speaker 2: Man, I don't know what to do. I don't know
[33:40] Speaker 2: what he's like. One of the hardest dudes to rank.
[33:42] Speaker 1: No, because you do have aggressive, be aggressive.
[33:45] Speaker 2: I mean maybe they do have Parker Washington, they do
[33:50] Speaker 2: have Jacoby Myers. They do have two tight ends. Now
[33:53] Speaker 2: after they drafted the kid out of Texasing in the
[33:55] Speaker 2: second round to go with Brenton Strange, you know, I
[33:59] Speaker 2: just ah, you.
[34:01] Speaker 1: Know what they have to worry about that they have
[34:03] Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior, the most talented player of all those guys.
[34:06] Speaker 2: You are not worried right about that?
[34:08] Speaker 1: And he's going and he's going later in drafts, like
[34:11] Speaker 1: way later. Him and Josh Downs are probably my two
[34:14] Speaker 1: favorite receivers. I would say in Fantasy to go get.
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[34:27] Speaker 1: that fits your people. Do you have anyone else that
[34:30] Speaker 1: you really want to go for? I have a few
[34:32] Speaker 1: for a speed round here. But if you have any
[34:35] Speaker 1: that are burning a hole in your pocket that you
[34:37] Speaker 1: want to get out there.
[34:38] Speaker 2: I really like the landing spot. I'll burn out some
[34:41] Speaker 2: a couple a couple guys that I like, just real quick.
[34:44] Speaker 2: Chig a con quo who widely has fifty plus catches
[34:47] Speaker 2: in three straight seasons lands in Washington. There is a cravass,
[34:53] Speaker 2: a grand canyon of opportunity behind Terry McLaurin in Washington,
[34:58] Speaker 2: and Jaden Daniels has shown that he can be an
[35:01] Speaker 2: elevator of talent around him. Ryan Floornoy, you know, I
[35:08] Speaker 2: think that he might be good. You know, he had
[35:10] Speaker 2: two games over one hundred plus yards last year. He
[35:13] Speaker 2: returns George Pickens, you know, he's kind of a wild card,
[35:16] Speaker 2: you know. Ceedee Lamb has struggled with injuries in the past.
[35:20] Speaker 2: Ryan Florinoy returning as the Cowboys clear cut number three receiver.
[35:24] Speaker 2: I think he's a player that could take off in
[35:27] Speaker 2: a pass heavy offense and then a Mecca Agbuka no more.
[35:31] Speaker 2: Mike Evans. I don't know what Chris Godwin has left
[35:34] Speaker 2: in the tank. They brought back cade Otten, but he's,
[35:37] Speaker 2: you know, kind of a jag and I think that
[35:40] Speaker 2: the season parted maybe for a Mecca ag Buka, who
[35:44] Speaker 2: was awesome in the first six or seven games of
[35:46] Speaker 2: last season, then he got a hamstring injury and Baker
[35:49] Speaker 2: wasn't playing well. This is the year that Amecca Agbuka,
[35:52] Speaker 2: sort of like his former college teammate JSN, leapt to
[35:56] Speaker 2: one hundred catches in his second season. A Mecca Agbuka,
[35:59] Speaker 2: who profiled very similarly to JSN coming out of Ohio State,
[36:03] Speaker 2: could take that leap into the hunter catch territory this year.
[36:06] Speaker 1: I just you hurt my feelings. I had to make
[36:09] Speaker 1: a face calling katat and a jag. I mean, that
[36:11] Speaker 1: man has a family and that man most importantly landed
[36:14] Speaker 1: in the top twenty of my free agents lists. Maybe
[36:18] Speaker 1: for fantasy he's more of a jag, but I think
[36:20] Speaker 1: he's a good player. Kate Atten you can block, you
[36:23] Speaker 1: can do everything. It's you're saying, you know, it's everything's
[36:26] Speaker 1: on the menu. With Kate Aten. You can run any
[36:28] Speaker 1: type of offense you want. Why do you gotta take
[36:30] Speaker 1: a shot at Kate Atene.
[36:33] Speaker 2: A jack of many trades, a master of none, a jag.
[36:37] Speaker 1: No no, a good blocker, good good player. Everyone everyone's
[36:42] Speaker 1: looking for Kate Attens. They're like reaching for prospects in
[36:45] Speaker 1: the second round, hoping in a best case scenario that
[36:49] Speaker 1: they get Kate aten a right. But it's a fair
[36:51] Speaker 1: point on the fantasy of it all, he's not going
[36:54] Speaker 1: to get you excited. I like all those shout outs.
[36:58] Speaker 1: I'll throw out eighty Mitchell as a guy that Zach
[37:00] Speaker 1: Rosenblatt of The Athletic mentioned has had a really nice offseason.
[37:04] Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to be like a
[37:05] Speaker 1: fantasy guy, but I have believed in his talent at
[37:09] Speaker 1: the NFL level. I think he's done more than people realize.
[37:11] Speaker 1: And Gino Smith was really talking him up as being
[37:14] Speaker 1: a special type of talent and kind of in that
[37:16] Speaker 1: same bucket, there was a quote from Dan Campbell, I'm
[37:19] Speaker 1: curious what you think of Isaac t Slaw just saying
[37:22] Speaker 1: that Tuslaw to him feels like a veteran. He knows everything.
[37:26] Speaker 1: And you think about it, like Tuslaw is starting for
[37:29] Speaker 1: that team that is a loaded group. It is a
[37:33] Speaker 1: really nice spot to be a starting player when there's
[37:36] Speaker 1: so much attention going to aman Ra and Jamir Gibbs
[37:39] Speaker 1: and Sam Laporta, Duslaw is like the last guy you
[37:41] Speaker 1: have to worry about, and now it you know, with
[37:44] Speaker 1: Cleiff Raymond not there, it seems like it's a small thing.
[37:47] Speaker 1: But Taslaw is going to be out there, and I
[37:48] Speaker 1: think they really like Isaac Taslaw.
[37:50] Speaker 2: Our projections team has Isaac Taslaw with the highest touchdown
[37:55] Speaker 2: rate per target in the NFL this year. Now we
[38:01] Speaker 2: don't have him for many targets, but the question for
[38:05] Speaker 2: me with Isaac Teslaw is, you know, he had this
[38:09] Speaker 2: like defined role last year. He was like a red
[38:11] Speaker 2: zone specialist. Coming out of college. He was an absolute
[38:15] Speaker 2: freak of an athlete. I mean, just a total, total freak.
[38:19] Speaker 2: Can he expand what he does and become more than
[38:23] Speaker 2: that and you know, earn like a fifty five to
[38:28] Speaker 2: sixty percent snapshare in his second season, because then I
[38:33] Speaker 2: think that we could be talking about him as maybe
[38:35] Speaker 2: like the next Alec Pierce or something along those lines.
[38:40] Speaker 2: But I don't know if he can get to that point,
[38:42] Speaker 2: we'll see.
[38:44] Speaker 1: I know I didn't even mention Jameson Williams in there
[38:47] Speaker 1: as a player that defenses has to worry about. But yeah,
[38:50] Speaker 1: it was more of like the vibe from Campbell and
[38:52] Speaker 1: that I think he was swimming a little bit coming from,
[38:56] Speaker 1: you know, a very different offense in college, and the
[39:00] Speaker 1: he said through most of his rookie year. But Campbell's
[39:02] Speaker 1: saying like it started to click for him late where
[39:04] Speaker 1: I think he really understood what was going on around
[39:06] Speaker 1: him and now they feel more confident. My final winner
[39:09] Speaker 1: was c J. Stroud. I'm just buying the haircut and
[39:12] Speaker 1: that the body looks slimmed down and the way he's talking,
[39:15] Speaker 1: the way everyone's talking. I'm very self selective as long
[39:19] Speaker 1: as it confirms my priors. I'm into offseason talk, and
[39:23] Speaker 1: I do think CJ. Stroud is going to show up
[39:26] Speaker 1: and go earn himself a nice big contract. Have you
[39:29] Speaker 1: stayed on the CJ. Stroud bandwagon?
[39:32] Speaker 2: I have not, And that's not necessarily because of him
[39:36] Speaker 2: as a player, although he hasn't really helped himself in
[39:38] Speaker 2: a couple of years. That's because the defense is just
[39:41] Speaker 2: I mean, the team is built around its defense.
[39:44] Speaker 1: And so where is he going to go in fantasy dress?
[39:46] Speaker 1: Is he even going to get drafted?
[39:48] Speaker 2: I mean he's like a quarter He's like a low
[39:51] Speaker 2: end quarterback two slash quarterback three like quarterback twenty three
[39:54] Speaker 2: to twenty five somewhere in that range.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Give me me a top five quarterback or whatever it's
[40:00] Speaker 1: going to be, and give me c J. Stroud in
[40:03] Speaker 1: round thirteen. And I'm I'm loving what CJ. Stroud is
[40:06] Speaker 1: going to give me as a consistent I think.
[40:09] Speaker 2: You know this is why you had to retire from
[40:11] Speaker 2: the industry. You had to retire early.
[40:13] Speaker 1: He could have a Dak Prescott like career. He's just
[40:16] Speaker 1: got to get like the right the right offense.
[40:18] Speaker 2: Speaking of speaking of quarterbacks, how about Sam Donald?
[40:21] Speaker 1: Hey? Now, yeah, years ago you came in on this
[40:27] Speaker 1: show and, uh, you just talked up Sam Donald as
[40:31] Speaker 1: your one big sleeper. What year was that?
[40:33] Speaker 2: Was that?
[40:33] Speaker 1: The Panthers? Ye? And you've never let me forget it.
[40:37] Speaker 1: We've been battling over Sam Donald. I almost got personal
[40:40] Speaker 1: at times.
[40:40] Speaker 2: I liked that, Well it did for you. It never
[40:42] Speaker 2: got personal for me. I love that Jeremiah continued that
[40:46] Speaker 2: because Jeremiah wuld would jab at you about that too. Yeah, yeah, Well.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Sam Donald won the Super Bowl? Did that feel like
[40:53] Speaker 1: uh redemption? Do you even have a team, Silba, do
[40:57] Speaker 1: you have an NFL team? So? Did that feel like
[41:00] Speaker 1: your team winning the super Bowl just finally been proven. Right,
[41:03] Speaker 1: you won.
[41:05] Speaker 2: Because I was on the Patriots to win. Unfortunately.
[41:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was dumb.
[41:09] Speaker 2: I know, I know that.
[41:11] Speaker 1: At least I have an excuse. You know where I
[41:13] Speaker 1: grew up and everything wrapping up with some losers. I
[41:16] Speaker 1: have some losers. I don't know if you have any more.
[41:19] Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold of the Lions. This isn't really fantasy related,
[41:22] Speaker 1: but I've noticed that they said he's been practicing with
[41:24] Speaker 1: the reserves. That's an interesting former first round pick behind
[41:28] Speaker 1: DJ Reid, rock Yessen and Khalil Dorsey and Dan Campbell's
[41:31] Speaker 1: been talking about wanting competition. He's had some off field stuff,
[41:35] Speaker 1: so they might be punishing him a little bit for that.
[41:38] Speaker 1: So that caught my eye. And then I wanted to
[41:40] Speaker 1: read this quote to you from Zach Jackson of The
[41:43] Speaker 1: Athletic but this was on his podcast, Zach Jackson and Friends.
[41:47] Speaker 1: I almost wanted to ask him permission to just play
[41:49] Speaker 1: it because it was just delivered so well, but I'll
[41:52] Speaker 1: try to do him justice. This is him. This is
[41:56] Speaker 1: quoted from someone who watched all the OTAs about Deshaun Watson.
[42:00] Speaker 1: Watson definitely had more highlight throws. From these six or
[42:04] Speaker 1: seven practices we saw almost every one of those was
[42:08] Speaker 1: followed up by a bad miss. He's not accurate, he
[42:12] Speaker 1: doesn't take care of the ball, he doesn't process, he's
[42:16] Speaker 1: not a good player.
[42:18] Speaker 2: I was.
[42:22] Speaker 1: And he said it with such disdain in his voice.
[42:25] Speaker 1: Just like they wanted Deshaun Watson to win this job
[42:30] Speaker 1: going into the spring. They made it very clear through
[42:32] Speaker 1: this Mary kay Cabot report, through to what Todd Mankin said,
[42:35] Speaker 1: and based on apparently how he's played, Todd Monkin just
[42:38] Speaker 1: couldn't give him the job because Fitter was getting a
[42:42] Speaker 1: little bit better. But more importantly, Deshaun Watson just didn't
[42:46] Speaker 1: look like a good football player like he hasn't for
[42:48] Speaker 1: the last three or four years.
[42:49] Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of hoping that they give s a
[42:54] Speaker 2: chance this year and then, you know, if it doesn't
[42:58] Speaker 2: go right with him, Taylan Green, how about some Taylor
[43:03] Speaker 2: Green action maybe down the stretch of the season. Let
[43:07] Speaker 2: me add one more guy, all right, Marshawn Lloyd, who
[43:10] Speaker 2: has been injured just constantly for the last two seasons
[43:13] Speaker 2: since entering, you know, entering the NFL. But man, we
[43:18] Speaker 2: know he's got a lot of ability. He ran four
[43:20] Speaker 2: four at two hundred and twenty pounds coming out of USC,
[43:22] Speaker 2: he could catch passes and he's been healthy this offseason,
[43:25] Speaker 2: and Josh Jacobs has been dealing with his own off
[43:27] Speaker 2: field stuff. And if you look at the quotes from
[43:30] Speaker 2: Ben Sermons, the Packers RB's coach, Matt Lafleur, and Jordan Love,
[43:37] Speaker 2: they all just glowing praise of Marshawn Lloyd, who has
[43:41] Speaker 2: earned the nickname the Yeat Cannon, Yeah, which I thought
[43:46] Speaker 2: was really really interesting, and I'm hoping that that will stick.
[43:50] Speaker 2: And I've been drafting Marshawn Lloyd late in my Best
[43:53] Speaker 2: Ball drafts because he's got some upside And who knows
[43:56] Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with Josh Jacobs the yeat Cannon love that.
[44:00] Speaker 1: I have been watching that situation wondering what they're gonna do,
[44:05] Speaker 1: because Marshall Lloyd is a nice lottery ticket or even
[44:10] Speaker 1: better of someone who could have a really high ceiling,
[44:12] Speaker 1: but he just hasn't been able to stay on the field.
[44:14] Speaker 1: And without really knowing, like in depth, how the NFL
[44:19] Speaker 1: is going to handle this, I think there's a strong
[44:22] Speaker 1: chance that Josh Jacobs is not on the field for
[44:24] Speaker 1: the Packers to start the year, considering the severity of
[44:27] Speaker 1: the domestic violence charges against him, and so you know
[44:31] Speaker 1: that's a team that's trying to win. Will they add
[44:33] Speaker 1: to that position? Would would it be Lloyd something to watch?
[44:36] Speaker 1: I also think in terms of losers while we're at
[44:39] Speaker 1: the Packers, like there's no Mica or in the early
[44:43] Speaker 1: portion of this season when we started the off season,
[44:46] Speaker 1: everyone's ahead of schedule except for the ones that aren't.
[44:49] Speaker 1: And the two guys that really stand out that I
[44:51] Speaker 1: think are listeners if they haven't been paying attention on
[44:54] Speaker 1: the day to day basis here that I'm worried about
[44:57] Speaker 1: in terms of their recoveries. Michael Parsons, which is not
[44:59] Speaker 1: a surprise that he would miss the start of the season,
[45:01] Speaker 1: but it really sounds like that's where it's trending that
[45:03] Speaker 1: will be on the pup list. It might be a
[45:05] Speaker 1: big chunk of the season coming off his injury. And
[45:07] Speaker 1: then Malik Neighbors, which I think is a little more
[45:09] Speaker 1: disappointing because he had a follow up surgery and I
[45:14] Speaker 1: just don't know when he's going to be back. But
[45:15] Speaker 1: the way John Harbaugh has talked about Milik Neighbors's injury.
[45:19] Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult, I think, to count
[45:22] Speaker 1: on him to be a true wide receiver one for
[45:25] Speaker 1: the Giants, but even you know, be on the field
[45:27] Speaker 1: and be productive necessary, I don't know if that's going
[45:29] Speaker 1: to happen in the first month two months of the season.
[45:31] Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what we're getting. So just a
[45:34] Speaker 1: couple of final losers. Unfortunately, is kind of that that
[45:36] Speaker 1: Packers defense who doesn't really have any edges other than
[45:39] Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and then yeah, the Giants receiver group and
[45:44] Speaker 1: Jackson Dark too, because he really could use Malik Neighbors
[45:46] Speaker 1: out there. We are you pricing Neighbors these days?
[45:52] Speaker 2: Oh man? Like I keep moving them down, you know what.
[45:55] Speaker 2: You know what scared me about him too, is like
[45:58] Speaker 2: the day after the news kind of came out and
[46:00] Speaker 2: Melite Neighbors was not doing very good in his recovery,
[46:03] Speaker 2: the Giants went out and literally signed three receivers on
[46:05] Speaker 2: the same day, ju Smith, Schuster, Braxon Barrios, and Odell Beckham.
[46:09] Speaker 2: And I'm like, gosh, they are telling us we are
[46:13] Speaker 2: expecting Melik Neighbors to at very least begin the season
[46:17] Speaker 2: on the reserve pup at very least.
[46:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think that's fair. And he's
[46:22] Speaker 1: such a unique dynamic athlete that really wins with his
[46:27] Speaker 1: flexibility and athleticism even more than he ever did with
[46:30] Speaker 1: his route running. And so you do wonder a little
[46:32] Speaker 1: bit how well, if he's not one hundred percent, how
[46:35] Speaker 1: he will win right off the bat, and so that
[46:38] Speaker 1: that's a big time concern for him for the Giants.
[46:41] Speaker 1: I thought about putting bow next year, but I think
[46:43] Speaker 1: he's going to be fine. I'm a little worried that
[46:45] Speaker 1: he's always got these follow up surgeries, but I think
[46:48] Speaker 1: he's going to be fine ultimately. So he's not on
[46:50] Speaker 1: my list. No more losers. It's optimism season. We should
[46:54] Speaker 1: just be you know, talking all winners. Established the run
[46:58] Speaker 1: is such a big winner that you guys have a
[46:59] Speaker 1: freak company retreat. How happy are you.
[47:04] Speaker 2: That you you guys don't have one of those with
[47:06] Speaker 2: the shield?
[47:07] Speaker 1: I mean, no, we don't have a retreat. I'm happy
[47:10] Speaker 1: to be here doing NFL daily, with the NFL and
[47:14] Speaker 1: with iHeartMedia. But you went and you got entrepreneurial. You
[47:18] Speaker 1: left warider World back in the day and now you're
[47:21] Speaker 1: killing it. You got you got, you got enough dough
[47:24] Speaker 1: to have a company retreat and you got all these employees.
[47:26] Speaker 1: Congratulations seven Silva.
[47:28] Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you Greg Rosenthal. I could have could
[47:30] Speaker 2: not have done any of it with value, brother.
[47:32] Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was fun to catch up and
[47:35] Speaker 1: talk fantasy. We'll be talking more fantasy as we get
[47:37] Speaker 1: closer to the season. Let's take a three day break
[47:40] Speaker 1: here on this feed. Thank you to Evan Silva for
[47:44] Speaker 1: joining me. Thanks to everyone obviously who checked out all
[47:47] Speaker 1: of our content this week, the flag football extravagans. I
[47:50] Speaker 1: want to point everyone back to that me and Jordan
[47:52] Speaker 1: Rodrigue back on Monday. That was fun. Patrick. On Tuesday,
[47:55] Speaker 1: we will be dropping in the feed a new time,
[47:57] Speaker 1: a Sunday evening show. We're ranking the top thirty two
[48:01] Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL. That's next on NFL Daily. See
[48:04] Speaker 1: you the
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