# Camp Buzz: Chargers Injuries, Von Miller and Keenan Allen Find New Teams and Raiders-Texans Joint Practice

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 18 Aug 2026, 30 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook get you caught up on all the news coming out of training camps around the NFL including the surge in injuries for the Chargers, updates on Breece Hall, Mike Evans, Jordyn Tyson, Puka Nacua, Myles Garrett, Emeka Egbuka and more. Plus, Von Miller is now a member of the Cowboys and Keenan Allen will be catching balls for the Colts, and Jourdan Rodrigue checks in from the Raiders-Texans joint practice. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're really trying to believe
[0:08] Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a Chargers curse. I'm Greg Rosenthal.
[0:12] Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio. This is
[0:15] Speaker 1: your August eighteenth, Tuesday Camp Buzz.
[0:19] Speaker 2: With Nick Shook.
[0:20] Speaker 1: We get you updated on all the latest news from
[0:23] Speaker 1: all thirty two training camps. And I hate starting with
[0:27] Speaker 1: another Chargers injury.
[0:28] Speaker 2: I was trying to.
[0:29] Speaker 1: Ignore it, Nick, as I saw the injury lists for
[0:33] Speaker 1: the Chargers grow and grow a little more and grow
[0:35] Speaker 1: a little more. Didn't know if anyone were serious. We
[0:37] Speaker 1: weren't going to talk about it. But on Tuesday they're
[0:40] Speaker 1: starting center Tyler Biattish, who was kind of the centerpiece
[0:45] Speaker 1: of a lot of their hopes on the offensive line,
[0:47] Speaker 1: was carted off with what appears to be a serious injury.
[0:51] Speaker 1: And I can no longer ignore that the Chargers are
[0:55] Speaker 1: unfortunately charging again in August, which just means a lot
[0:58] Speaker 1: of injuries.
[0:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's probably it affects the worst portion of
[1:02] Speaker 3: this team given their history with offensive line injuries. It
[1:05] Speaker 3: also comes at a very I mean, it's always unfortunate,
[1:08] Speaker 3: but it's especially unfortunate because Jim Harbaugh had legitimately just
[1:11] Speaker 3: said that him that Biadash and Justin Herbert were going
[1:14] Speaker 3: to play a little bit in their next preseason game
[1:15] Speaker 3: because he wanted them to get reps together in live action. Well,
[1:18] Speaker 3: that's off the table because of things like this. But
[1:20] Speaker 3: that's also just how precarious training camp can be. It
[1:23] Speaker 3: can be a very fickle thing where one minute you
[1:26] Speaker 3: think you're on track for all these good things, the
[1:27] Speaker 3: next minute you're losing your starting center for who knows
[1:30] Speaker 3: how long.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, just the video of the injury. This was part
[1:35] Speaker 1: of a joint practice with the forty nine ers. Other
[1:38] Speaker 1: players were injured during the practice. But it does it
[1:41] Speaker 1: does not look good, and that is such a difficult
[1:43] Speaker 1: position to fill, especially for this Chargers team. So we'll
[1:47] Speaker 1: see what kind of adjustments that they want to make
[1:50] Speaker 1: to their starting lineup. When I said, I've been ignoring
[1:53] Speaker 1: some of the injury reports, like Trey Harris the receiver,
[1:57] Speaker 1: as in practice in a few days, a key messator
[2:00] Speaker 1: who's had a great camp hasn't been practicing. There's been
[2:03] Speaker 1: Quentin Johnston hasn't been practicing a lot. And then he
[2:06] Speaker 1: did return to practice for this joint practice, and then
[2:08] Speaker 1: left it hobbling. Rayshon Slater is the most important one
[2:12] Speaker 1: of that entire group coming back from a really serious injury,
[2:16] Speaker 1: and he's been out for a couple of weeks now.
[2:18] Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh did say they expect Slater back sometime around
[2:22] Speaker 1: this weekend. So there's a little bit of good news.
[2:25] Speaker 1: And if you wanted some other good news, reportedly Justin
[2:27] Speaker 1: Herbert was out there putting on a show. So you know,
[2:30] Speaker 1: one injury does not ruin an off season of optimism
[2:35] Speaker 1: about Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert together. And so I'm
[2:39] Speaker 1: going to try to stay optimistic. And it's gonna be hard, Nick,
[2:41] Speaker 1: because the way we've structured this show, we're just going
[2:44] Speaker 1: to start with all the injury updates first and then
[2:47] Speaker 1: get to the rest later. Mike Evans quietly hasn't been
[2:50] Speaker 1: able to put together many back to back practices at
[2:54] Speaker 1: forty nine ers camp, and he left this practice too,
[2:57] Speaker 1: and they're pretty thin at wide receiver, and now it's
[3:00] Speaker 1: starting to get a little on my radar that we've
[3:02] Speaker 1: always assumed Mike Evans is going to be healthy. Last
[3:04] Speaker 1: year was a little bit of a fluke injury, but
[3:06] Speaker 1: he struggled to stay on the field this camp as well.
[3:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's had been dealing with quad injury. He had
[3:12] Speaker 3: a history of hamstring issues, you know. More recently he
[3:15] Speaker 3: had broken his collarbone. The litany of injuries is quite
[3:18] Speaker 3: long with him. And to hear about this which he
[3:21] Speaker 3: had he was had a wrap of you know, ice
[3:23] Speaker 3: after this practice and you know obviously was not participating
[3:27] Speaker 3: through the end of it. It's just not encouraging, especially
[3:29] Speaker 3: for somebody of his age who has been this lee
[3:31] Speaker 3: for a long time, who you know, is destined for
[3:34] Speaker 3: a place in Canton and was seen as a massive
[3:36] Speaker 3: addition to a Ford and Ers offense that already lost
[3:39] Speaker 3: Ricky Petersoll.
[3:40] Speaker 4: So look, you can.
[3:41] Speaker 3: Continue with the conspiracies about stub substation as much as
[3:43] Speaker 3: you want, but they weren't even there. No, we're down
[3:46] Speaker 3: you know, a charger's house. Okay, So it's unfortunate.
[3:49] Speaker 2: Maybe that's uh haunted as well.
[3:53] Speaker 3: I hope nobody posted a picture of a giant like
[3:55] Speaker 3: terminal of of elect like just electric wil like power
[3:59] Speaker 3: lines behind them, like, oh, I see why they.
[4:00] Speaker 1: Have they do have the train going by. I don't
[4:04] Speaker 1: I don't think that can create any issues. It's actually
[4:06] Speaker 1: very scenic to just see the the MTA train, you know,
[4:10] Speaker 1: going by. I got my tap cards. I'm ready to
[4:12] Speaker 1: I want to ride that train to practice one day.
[4:15] Speaker 1: All right, So we'll we'll hit these injuries. We'll hit
[4:18] Speaker 1: a couple of veteran signings. We got Keenan Allen back
[4:21] Speaker 1: in the league, got Von Miller back in the league,
[4:24] Speaker 1: and we'll get everyone you know set for the rest
[4:26] Speaker 1: of the week. But the way I think about these injuries,
[4:29] Speaker 1: if you're drafting in fantasy, for instance, it doesn't mean
[4:32] Speaker 1: you have to panic, but I think it's good to
[4:34] Speaker 1: know about them because a lot of times these injuries,
[4:36] Speaker 1: like Breese Hall's injuries, injury where its positioned is oh,
[4:41] Speaker 1: good news, Briess Hall should be ready for week one.
[4:45] Speaker 1: I look at it more like not the best news.
[4:47] Speaker 1: That bris Hall, you know, suffered a growing injury in practice,
[4:51] Speaker 1: and that's the way his season is going to start,
[4:53] Speaker 1: coming off back to back to back pretty heavy workload seasons.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Especially knowing Aaron Glenn has been very, very optimistic when
[5:00] Speaker 1: it comes to injuries in the pass. He also says
[5:02] Speaker 1: Kenyan Sadek his tight end is going to be ready
[5:04] Speaker 1: for Week one. We'll see either way, a groin strain,
[5:08] Speaker 1: which is a tricky injury, is going to keep Bryce
[5:10] Speaker 1: Preese haul out for the rest of the preseason, much
[5:13] Speaker 1: of camp, and they're hopeful he'll be back out there
[5:16] Speaker 1: against the Titans in Week one.
[5:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good, you know, it was optimism coming
[5:21] Speaker 3: from Aaron Glenn when the injury happened yesterday. Two to
[5:23] Speaker 3: three weeks is not a terrible, you know, timeline for
[5:26] Speaker 3: a running back. But given the fact that they just
[5:29] Speaker 3: franchised and then paid him and you expect him to
[5:32] Speaker 3: be somebody who's going to produce a thousand yards on
[5:33] Speaker 3: the ground, which he just broke a thousand yards for
[5:35] Speaker 3: the first time last season, it's not the most encouraging thing.
[5:38] Speaker 3: And it also makes you think about your death of
[5:40] Speaker 3: your backfield. They have Braylen Allen coming off of an
[5:42] Speaker 3: injury in that backfield as well, very much a different
[5:44] Speaker 3: style of running back. But so you hope that like, okay, well,
[5:47] Speaker 3: maybe two to three weeks is just like extra time
[5:49] Speaker 3: to heal and really get ready for the regular season.
[5:51] Speaker 3: There's no real reason that he needs to be on
[5:52] Speaker 3: the field during the preseason anyway. But for a team that,
[5:55] Speaker 3: as we've discussed maybe more offensive reliant than they want
[5:59] Speaker 3: to be.
[5:59] Speaker 1: It's not the news either, No, and it's a groin strain.
[6:02] Speaker 1: It's it's just that it's one of those injuries that
[6:06] Speaker 1: like you just gotta get it to one hundred percent
[6:08] Speaker 1: before you return, or pushing that right that it's a
[6:13] Speaker 1: little bit scary. While we're on running backs, I should
[6:15] Speaker 1: have mentioned with Christian McCaffrey. The speculation, which I've now
[6:18] Speaker 1: seen repeated in a few areas, started with Mike Florio
[6:21] Speaker 1: at Pro Football Talk that Christian McCaffrey has been out
[6:24] Speaker 1: of practice potentially looking for more money in his contract.
[6:29] Speaker 1: It's an interesting it's an interesting story. I haven't seen
[6:33] Speaker 1: anyone report it. Usually it's not speculated about unless someone
[6:37] Speaker 1: has a clue that would actually make me feel better
[6:40] Speaker 1: about drafting Christian McCaffrey in fantasy leagues if he's sitting
[6:43] Speaker 1: out because it's contract related and not some weird vague
[6:46] Speaker 1: body soreness tightness, who knows. Let's go to an injury
[6:49] Speaker 1: which we just keep updating on the show, but because
[6:53] Speaker 1: it keeps getting worse. Jordan Tyson, the rookie Saints wide receiver,
[6:57] Speaker 1: is now expected to miss about two months at least
[7:01] Speaker 1: all of September, and we'll see when he returns for
[7:05] Speaker 1: the regular season. So they're putting on a pretty long
[7:08] Speaker 1: timeline for a hamstring strain, and to me, that means
[7:13] Speaker 1: Chris o'lave, like, you're back to what you were doing
[7:15] Speaker 1: last year. De von vle step right up, like you're
[7:18] Speaker 1: a big part of this offense. And then Juwan Johnson
[7:21] Speaker 1: is a name I see going pretty late in fantasy
[7:23] Speaker 1: leagues who could very easily be the number two pass
[7:26] Speaker 1: catcher on this Saints team.
[7:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[7:28] Speaker 3: I'm a big Juwan Johnson guy and have been for
[7:30] Speaker 3: a while, especially when they lacked other legitimate playmakers in
[7:33] Speaker 3: their pass catching unit. Right, And that's fine, but this
[7:36] Speaker 3: does kind of dampen the optimism to myself and some
[7:38] Speaker 3: others have carried into the season regarding the Saints just
[7:40] Speaker 3: because you have one lass weapon.
[7:41] Speaker 4: And it's also the nature of the injury.
[7:43] Speaker 3: You know, kind of talked about it with Mike Evans,
[7:45] Speaker 3: But hamstrings are the most tricky of all of them
[7:48] Speaker 3: because one small, you know, flare up can set you
[7:51] Speaker 3: back a long time, which is why I think this
[7:53] Speaker 3: timeline is so long.
[7:54] Speaker 4: It's also super disconcerting with Jordan.
[7:55] Speaker 3: Tyson, because that was the knock on him coming out
[7:58] Speaker 3: of Arizona State was that he had this length the
[7:59] Speaker 3: injury history. He hasn't completed a full season since high school,
[8:02] Speaker 3: and he's it's not a toughness thing. It's just a
[8:04] Speaker 3: matter of if he continues to get hurt. So you hope
[8:06] Speaker 3: that the two month timeline gives him plenty of time
[8:08] Speaker 3: to fully heal, like the growing to get it back
[8:11] Speaker 3: to one hundred percent, and then you hope, Okay, now
[8:13] Speaker 3: he can hit the ground running and find his place
[8:16] Speaker 3: in this core. But it is it's disconcerting for a
[8:18] Speaker 3: rookie who you were coming into the season with high
[8:20] Speaker 3: expectations for and they're going to have to adjust.
[8:22] Speaker 2: You would you change your Saints to in the division prediction? No?
[8:25] Speaker 3: No, because they're in the worst vision football and that's
[8:28] Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck baby, Come.
[8:29] Speaker 1: On, Bucks fans. Baker Mayfield must be listening to NFL
[8:33] Speaker 1: Daily and Shook's opinion and power rankings, because he got
[8:36] Speaker 1: on the horn today and was like, Oh, everyone's prick
[8:39] Speaker 1: has to be under five hundred this year.
[8:41] Speaker 3: I see that definitely a shot at me, but it's
[8:43] Speaker 3: definitely a shot.
[8:44] Speaker 1: At me talking about Shook Baker's locked in, you know,
[8:49] Speaker 1: former teammates with the Browns sort.
[8:51] Speaker 4: Of, Yeah, not exactly. It's hard things together.
[8:54] Speaker 1: It's it's hard not to think Jordan Tyson Odell Beckham
[8:57] Speaker 1: in a way. And that's I'm going to be positive
[8:59] Speaker 1: here because that's the type of player he is and
[9:02] Speaker 1: the way Nick Underhill, who covers the Saints, said he
[9:05] Speaker 1: was performing at camp where he like looked like maybe
[9:08] Speaker 1: the best player on the field, like like was just
[9:11] Speaker 1: dominating Odell Beckham is the best case scenario when it
[9:14] Speaker 1: comes to rookie hamstring injuries. It's easy to forget. He
[9:17] Speaker 1: missed the first big chunk of his rookie season and
[9:21] Speaker 1: much of training camp with the hamstring injury. And he
[9:24] Speaker 1: came out in whatever week it was, four, five, six,
[9:26] Speaker 1: I don't even remember, and he suddenly was the best
[9:29] Speaker 1: rookie receiver we had seen in a long time. So
[9:31] Speaker 1: that that's the dream if you're a Saints fan. Let's
[9:33] Speaker 1: go to the Rams. Pokinakua, Miles Garrett still out. They
[9:38] Speaker 1: said pokin A Coua was likely to return this week.
[9:41] Speaker 2: He didn't. They're not just.
[9:42] Speaker 1: Sitting these guys for no reason because Matthew Stafford, you know,
[9:47] Speaker 1: sat for all a camp last year and it was
[9:49] Speaker 1: the Rams, and they're very careful. It makes me a
[9:51] Speaker 1: little less concerned about these two guys, but both are
[9:54] Speaker 1: likely to return next week. Sean McVay says. Aaron Donald
[9:58] Speaker 1: also did another workout with the team. No update on
[10:00] Speaker 1: when he's returning. Are you getting like a little bit
[10:03] Speaker 1: spooked about Nikua and Garrett?
[10:06] Speaker 3: Well, Miles because he it's knee swelling and he doesn't
[10:09] Speaker 3: really have a history with me, and She's like if
[10:11] Speaker 3: it was related to the shoulder, I'd be like, Okay, well,
[10:13] Speaker 3: he's dealt with that for years. I don't know if
[10:15] Speaker 3: I would necessarily say spooked. I would just say keep
[10:18] Speaker 3: an eye on it, you know, hashtag noticing. But when
[10:21] Speaker 3: it comes to Pukah, like between the two guys, you
[10:23] Speaker 3: don't need Miles Garrett training camp. He's gonna Fine's gonna
[10:25] Speaker 3: be Miles Garrett, who would have who a very good
[10:27] Speaker 3: player younger. I would still like him on the field
[10:30] Speaker 3: getting some reps for you know, here and there. The
[10:32] Speaker 3: good thing about the Rams, and this is not to
[10:34] Speaker 3: like take some sort of positive slant with them that
[10:37] Speaker 3: oh the Rams, they'll be fine. But they really will
[10:39] Speaker 3: be fine because not a lot has really changed. And
[10:42] Speaker 3: if anything, you're giving Matthew Stafford reps with other guys
[10:44] Speaker 3: that are gonna be playing around Pooka and you'll get
[10:46] Speaker 3: you know, you'll you'll receive the positive benefits from that.
[10:49] Speaker 3: But would I like to see them healthy at this point? Absolutely,
[10:51] Speaker 3: I'm just not the most concerned right now.
[10:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like to point it out, like the
[10:55] Speaker 1: plan is never for these guys to you know, sit
[10:57] Speaker 1: out a couple of weeks of camp with an injury,
[10:59] Speaker 1: So it's worth noting I wouldn't change my Puka stock
[11:03] Speaker 1: evaluation for this year yet at this point. Kyle Manungai,
[11:07] Speaker 1: the backup running back for the Bears that we mentioned
[11:09] Speaker 1: his injury a couple of days ago on the show,
[11:11] Speaker 1: he is likely to be out a couple of weeks.
[11:13] Speaker 1: Similar to Bresee Hall, I think they're trying to get
[11:15] Speaker 1: him ready for week one. We'll see Emica Abuka is
[11:18] Speaker 1: now uncertain because of his toe injury to be ready
[11:23] Speaker 1: for week one. According to Todd Bowles, they've taken a
[11:26] Speaker 1: couple hits. Nick Jalen McMillan, their third receiver, has been
[11:30] Speaker 1: out basically for all of camp. His return is uncertain,
[11:33] Speaker 1: and the fact that Bowles is noncommittal to Abuka playing
[11:37] Speaker 1: Week one I think shows how serious it is. They
[11:40] Speaker 1: really need Chris Godwin to be a big factor here
[11:43] Speaker 1: for the Bucks.
[11:44] Speaker 3: Well, now it's Chris Godwin and Tess Johnson and whoever
[11:46] Speaker 3: else is on this depth chart.
[11:48] Speaker 2: Went, let's go ted Hurst, Baby, let's go.
[11:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, you also go with Ted Hurst.
[11:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, and he went from being one of the deepest
[11:54] Speaker 3: receiving cores in the NFL last year to a group
[11:59] Speaker 3: now that is Chris Godwin and whoever else. For now,
[12:03] Speaker 3: I'm more concerned about the fact that Abuka the way
[12:06] Speaker 3: that his back half of last year happened, you know,
[12:09] Speaker 3: dealing with injury and kind of tailing off. I would
[12:11] Speaker 3: like for him to come in healthy and not dealing
[12:12] Speaker 3: with this type of thing. But again, you run this
[12:14] Speaker 3: stuff with training camp all the time, So now they
[12:16] Speaker 3: just have to make do with what they have until
[12:17] Speaker 3: they can get a little bit healthier.
[12:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's disappointing. And yeah, he's a guy, and
[12:24] Speaker 1: look it's this time of season. I hate to bring
[12:25] Speaker 1: everything back to fantasy. We're going to do a fantasy
[12:27] Speaker 1: show with Josh Norris later in the week. But he's
[12:30] Speaker 1: a guy that I'm seeing getting drafted really early. I
[12:33] Speaker 1: did not like where he was getting drafted even before
[12:36] Speaker 1: this injury.
[12:37] Speaker 2: Abuka.
[12:38] Speaker 1: I'm sure this will sink his value a little bit,
[12:40] Speaker 1: but I just thought it was going to be more
[12:41] Speaker 1: of a spread the wealth offense. I wasn't assuming Abuka
[12:44] Speaker 1: just like slot him in as your number one twelve
[12:46] Speaker 1: hundred yards. We'll see a couple other receiver injuries no
[12:49] Speaker 1: one's really paying any attention to for some reason. Michael
[12:52] Speaker 1: Pittman's been out with a leg injury for at least
[12:55] Speaker 1: a week and is going to miss another week. DK Metcalf.
[12:58] Speaker 1: They won't even say what he's at with hashtag noticing
[13:02] Speaker 1: that contract related. I have no idea. I just I
[13:05] Speaker 1: don't know. They just aren't saying what he's out with.
[13:07] Speaker 1: He's out out least another week. I don't think it's
[13:09] Speaker 1: contract related. So that Mike McCarthy pointed that out. Keon
[13:12] Speaker 1: Coleman showed up to Bill's practice in a walking boot.
[13:16] Speaker 1: That's not a good sign. Taekwon Thornton, the receiver for
[13:19] Speaker 1: the Chiefs, left on a cart. I hate that I
[13:24] Speaker 1: gave Keon Coleman, the great Omen with the help of
[13:27] Speaker 1: my friend Eric Roberts for opening the new stadium with
[13:31] Speaker 1: a touchdown, and then he shows up to the next
[13:35] Speaker 1: practice in a walking boot.
[13:36] Speaker 2: Not a good Omen.
[13:37] Speaker 4: Well, it was a great play.
[13:41] Speaker 3: I love the Falehorn. The price is right fail Horn.
[13:44] Speaker 3: It was a great play that he made in that
[13:45] Speaker 3: game to catch that touchdown. It was great play by
[13:47] Speaker 3: Josh Allen as well. But he did sprain toe foot
[13:50] Speaker 3: area in that game. So with everything that's good, when
[13:53] Speaker 3: it comes to Keon Coleman, there's a little bit of unfortunate,
[13:56] Speaker 3: a little bit of bad. But the boot, it could
[13:58] Speaker 3: be worse. Right now, it's a big season for him.
[14:01] Speaker 3: Let's wait and see.
[14:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, and these Steelers receiver injuries, I'm not concerned until
[14:06] Speaker 1: they let me be more concerned. But when once a
[14:09] Speaker 1: guy's out for a week and a half, two plus
[14:11] Speaker 1: two weeks, like it is worth noting. Zadaria Smith is
[14:14] Speaker 1: a veteran pass rushalon who's bounced around the league quite
[14:16] Speaker 1: a bit lately, had his best days with the Packers,
[14:19] Speaker 1: but he's kind of like the poor Man's Clowney, Jedevian Clowney,
[14:23] Speaker 1: and that like he shows up and he gets production.
[14:25] Speaker 1: I said the other day on the show he was
[14:27] Speaker 1: expected to sign with the Browns. That was according to
[14:29] Speaker 1: Mary Kate Cabot. He actually signed with the Atlanta Falcons.
[14:33] Speaker 1: He got six million dollars like base salary. At this
[14:36] Speaker 1: point in the off season, everyone's using the Browns. It
[14:40] Speaker 1: seems like to raise the price. Yeah, yeah, not great.
[14:46] Speaker 3: It's hilarious because the Browns are now over to on
[14:49] Speaker 3: trying to bring in guys that used to play for them,
[14:50] Speaker 3: that at our edge rushers in the NFL.
[14:53] Speaker 4: They both went to places where they have ties.
[14:55] Speaker 3: Jenevian Clowney goes back to Houston, the team the drafted him.
[14:57] Speaker 3: Zadarius Smith goes to Cleveland, looks around and goes, wait,
[14:59] Speaker 3: Kevin's fans, he's not here anymore. I'm gonna go join
[15:01] Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski's team in Atlanta, where they also need an
[15:03] Speaker 3: edge rusher because you know, they're obviously down one of,
[15:06] Speaker 3: if not both, of their first round picks from last year,
[15:09] Speaker 3: and so it makes sense from a football perspective. I'm
[15:13] Speaker 3: just glad that he got He's getting a job. The
[15:15] Speaker 3: guy that basically walked away from football and decided no
[15:17] Speaker 3: you know what, I'm coming back, and and so he
[15:19] Speaker 3: goes and finds a co coach that he's familiar with.
[15:21] Speaker 4: We'll see what happened.
[15:22] Speaker 5: Here.
[15:22] Speaker 1: Here are their pass rushers in Atlanta. It's Samson, ebicom
[15:25] Speaker 1: Zadarias Smith, brieln Trice, Zizo Julari another former Brown Cam Thomas.
[15:33] Speaker 2: That's not a good group.
[15:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, boss Jalen Walker, and we'll see what happens to
[15:36] Speaker 4: James Spears.
[15:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out half the season. N I'm the Mattabeke
[15:40] Speaker 1: is a all pro level talent for the Ravens. We
[15:43] Speaker 1: were excited to hear was not retiring because of his
[15:45] Speaker 1: neck injury. That wasn't on the pup list to start camp.
[15:49] Speaker 1: Sometimes with these initial reports we get a little over
[15:52] Speaker 1: excited and then we find out a few weeks later
[15:55] Speaker 1: he has not had any contact work, he's been very
[15:57] Speaker 1: limited at practice, and that he could be a few
[15:59] Speaker 1: week weeks away from having any contact work. So just
[16:04] Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on there that we don't
[16:06] Speaker 1: know if he is fully back or not. Let's go
[16:08] Speaker 1: to the Jaguars have had a lot of injuries. Parker
[16:11] Speaker 1: Washington has been out of practice this week is supposed
[16:15] Speaker 1: to return maybe next week, but that's their number one receiver.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Leaquint Allen, their third down back, is going to be
[16:22] Speaker 1: out for the rest of camp. A lot of these
[16:23] Speaker 1: running backs are just being put on hold until the
[16:25] Speaker 1: season start. One of their starting offensive lineman, Patrick McCarry
[16:29] Speaker 1: had back surgery that's going to keep him out for
[16:32] Speaker 1: a while. His backup Wyatt tell Him, has also been hurt.
[16:36] Speaker 1: Walker Little, who's one of their tackles, has been hurt.
[16:39] Speaker 1: Cole Van Lannon, who is their left tackle, has been
[16:42] Speaker 1: out for most of the camp. Like they are a
[16:45] Speaker 1: little bit of a mess, especially on the offensive line.
[16:47] Speaker 2: Sneaky.
[16:48] Speaker 1: One of the most banged up teams in the league,
[16:50] Speaker 1: which makes it more notable. I'm going to throw this
[16:53] Speaker 1: one at you. I don't know if you know this
[16:54] Speaker 1: is coming. They didn't even know Travis Hunter. They didn't
[16:57] Speaker 1: even use Travis Hunter on offense on Monday at all.
[17:01] Speaker 1: Our friend John Shipley noted FORRESI dot Com. So it
[17:03] Speaker 1: kind of starting to show their hand that it's really
[17:06] Speaker 1: going to be heavy defense and I think a sprinkling
[17:09] Speaker 1: of offense, especially considering Parker Washington wasn't even out there
[17:12] Speaker 1: and they didn't use Travis Hunter at all on offense.
[17:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, at least really in the season.
[17:16] Speaker 3: This is a team that is weirdly positioned in that
[17:18] Speaker 3: they have a collection of veterans that are not going
[17:21] Speaker 3: to get slotted into the starting lineup to try to
[17:23] Speaker 3: fill some of these needs.
[17:24] Speaker 4: But it's not it's not like a hot it lowers
[17:27] Speaker 4: the ceiling.
[17:27] Speaker 3: Like these are all guys whose names you recognized, and
[17:29] Speaker 3: they all washed out from somewhere else when they came
[17:31] Speaker 3: in with relatively high expectations and they're now just like
[17:34] Speaker 3: in the too deep and they're slut you know, as
[17:35] Speaker 3: we're Cleveland's the chum Minidoga's those types, right, and and
[17:38] Speaker 3: that's never encouraging. However, when it comes to Travis Hunter,
[17:41] Speaker 3: that doesn't surprise.
[17:41] Speaker 2: Me at all.
[17:41] Speaker 3: I don't really care if he plays that much offense
[17:44] Speaker 3: because that's not going to be his primary position going forward.
[17:47] Speaker 4: He's going to be a cornerback.
[17:48] Speaker 3: And that's totally fine with a group that they have,
[17:51] Speaker 3: you know, I know, Washington not you know participating right now, right,
[17:53] Speaker 3: but you still have Chaobe Myers, got Brian Thomas coming
[17:56] Speaker 3: off of you know, an up and down season last year.
[17:58] Speaker 4: It's fine.
[17:58] Speaker 3: You got when it comes to Travis Hunter, I'm over
[18:01] Speaker 3: the experiment. I know it attracts the eyeballs and everything,
[18:04] Speaker 3: but just slot him in where he's best and where
[18:06] Speaker 3: he's most valuable, and that's on defense.
[18:07] Speaker 1: Oh I think he's got a play offense, but it
[18:09] Speaker 1: could be like ten to fifteen snaps one week, it
[18:11] Speaker 1: could be five the next, it could be twenty five
[18:13] Speaker 1: to the next. But I love the idea of all
[18:16] Speaker 1: pro cornerback Travis Hunter.
[18:17] Speaker 2: That's what I'm hoping for.
[18:18] Speaker 1: But I'm telling you this, these offensive line injuries in Jacksonville,
[18:23] Speaker 1: I have not seen talked about a lot, and it's
[18:25] Speaker 1: been everywhere they I don't know how long term all
[18:28] Speaker 1: these are, but it could be a big problem for
[18:31] Speaker 1: them early in the season. I tease the old friends
[18:34] Speaker 1: returning to our lives this week to start the show,
[18:37] Speaker 1: Von Miller is a Dallas Cowboy. He's been begging to
[18:43] Speaker 1: join this team via social media basically all off season.
[18:47] Speaker 1: We're going to hit the Cowboys on Wednesday morning show.
[18:50] Speaker 1: It's the NFC East Preview with Patrick Claybon. So Miller
[18:54] Speaker 1: joins a deep, but maybe not like high.
[18:59] Speaker 2: Level pass rush group.
[19:00] Speaker 1: How would you describe the Cowboys passrest group.
[19:03] Speaker 2: Now that they add von Miller.
[19:05] Speaker 4: To the mix, it's better than it was last year.
[19:09] Speaker 3: Like they went and got Rashan Gary, You'll see what
[19:11] Speaker 3: you get a Dominezaraku. It's a mix of veteran talent
[19:16] Speaker 3: with household names that kind of need a bounce back
[19:20] Speaker 3: or for in von Miller's case, just another year in
[19:22] Speaker 3: the league. Although he had a pretty solid season in
[19:24] Speaker 3: Washington last year as part of the worst defense in
[19:26] Speaker 3: the NFL statistically, it's not one that strikes fear in
[19:29] Speaker 3: the heart of an opposing offense. But I think the
[19:32] Speaker 3: real strength is what they've done with their front, you know,
[19:35] Speaker 3: with Quentin Williams and Kenny Clark, and I think the
[19:39] Speaker 3: combined results will be better than the names on paper.
[19:42] Speaker 3: I just thought it was hilarious that after he campaigns
[19:45] Speaker 3: to join the Cowboys that the first person to talk
[19:47] Speaker 3: about it is DeMarcus Ware to ESPN, just raving about
[19:52] Speaker 3: how this is going to be so much more valuable
[19:54] Speaker 3: to the Cowboys than they realize. He's going to come
[19:56] Speaker 3: in there and teach those young guys what he knows,
[19:57] Speaker 3: just like I used to teach him back in Denver.
[20:00] Speaker 3: And obviously DeMarcus Ware has the Cowboys connection, and I'm
[20:02] Speaker 3: just like, you are really over overselling.
[20:05] Speaker 2: Oh how dare you?
[20:06] Speaker 1: I mean, he really is the DeMarcus where a timeline.
[20:11] Speaker 1: Granted it's it's von Miller now late in his career
[20:15] Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware when he joined the Broncos, but you know
[20:17] Speaker 1: he's doing the reverse DeMarcus Ware, going for the Broncos
[20:21] Speaker 1: and then a bunch of other teams, but then landing
[20:23] Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. The Colts signed Keenan Allen and in
[20:25] Speaker 1: Miller's contract. By the way, Von Miller's contract is so
[20:28] Speaker 1: much it's over five and a half million dollar base
[20:30] Speaker 1: that he's going to play a lot for that team.
[20:32] Speaker 1: So makes you wonder a little bit about Malachi Lawrence,
[20:34] Speaker 1: their first round pick.
[20:36] Speaker 2: The Colts signed Keenan Allen. That's fun.
[20:38] Speaker 1: Former coach Shane Steichen is there, so I've been wondering
[20:44] Speaker 1: what they're gonna do at receiver. The Colts call up
[20:47] Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. It's up to eight point two million dollars,
[20:51] Speaker 1: but wouldn't surprise me if the base is closer to
[20:53] Speaker 1: three four five million dollars. But he's got a chance
[20:56] Speaker 1: to play a decent amount Keenan Allen can't can't get
[20:58] Speaker 1: rid of him shook.
[21:00] Speaker 3: We have discussed this Colt's receiver situation multiple times in
[21:03] Speaker 3: the past. We are concerned collectively about the fact that
[21:07] Speaker 3: they gave all that money to Alec Pierce and then
[21:09] Speaker 3: moved on from Michael Pittman, and it you know, the
[21:11] Speaker 3: idea of putting Josh downs outside when he should not
[21:14] Speaker 3: be outside as a receiver, because you're just looking for
[21:16] Speaker 3: different options and ways to use the guys that you
[21:17] Speaker 3: have on your roster, Ashton Dula and Nick Westbrook a
[21:20] Speaker 3: Kine being your next best options.
[21:22] Speaker 4: This made all the sense in the world.
[21:23] Speaker 3: But it's funny, Greg because in you know, now mid August,
[21:25] Speaker 3: it is very much Madden Season, and sometimes I like
[21:28] Speaker 3: to see what happens in my franchise and then does
[21:31] Speaker 3: it end up mirroring in real life. So I'm playing
[21:33] Speaker 3: against the Buccaneers the other day in Keenan Allen lands
[21:36] Speaker 3: on the Buccaneers. So I opened my email this morning
[21:38] Speaker 3: and I see, you know, somebody had sent something out
[21:40] Speaker 3: about Keenan Allen signing somewhere, but it was cut off
[21:41] Speaker 3: in the title, and I was like, ooh, did you
[21:43] Speaker 3: go to the buccaneer.
[21:43] Speaker 4: No, he went to the Colts, and I was like, Yes,
[21:45] Speaker 4: love that signing. Love that signing.
[21:46] Speaker 1: Reminds me a little bit of last year though, when
[21:49] Speaker 1: he and Lad McConkie were kind of duplicative, and I
[21:52] Speaker 1: do think yep Alan almost got in the way, and
[21:55] Speaker 1: he played well early in the season, but as some
[21:57] Speaker 1: veterans do, wore down a little little bit physically as
[22:00] Speaker 1: a season went on, because yeah, Josh Downs is going
[22:03] Speaker 1: to play the slot, but I think Keenan Allen's best
[22:06] Speaker 1: position at this point is certainly in the slot, and
[22:09] Speaker 1: so then are you really playing the guys at their
[22:12] Speaker 1: best spots.
[22:12] Speaker 2: We'll see.
[22:14] Speaker 1: Related to the Colts, their assistant general manager talked about
[22:18] Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson in a very positive way staying on the team,
[22:25] Speaker 1: essentially saying they're not going to give Anthony Richardson a way.
[22:28] Speaker 1: It's a win now type of year for the Colts,
[22:31] Speaker 1: and they needed three quarterbacks last year, and so you
[22:34] Speaker 1: never know they might need quarterbacks this year. I also
[22:37] Speaker 1: read this, and it goes with some reports that I've
[22:40] Speaker 1: seen that Riley Leonard hasn't exactly lit it up in
[22:43] Speaker 1: camp or the preseason, and so like what's the point
[22:46] Speaker 1: of trading Anthony Richardson. They need to win this year,
[22:49] Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson probably would give them a better chance
[22:52] Speaker 1: to win than anyone else they could find. If Daniel
[22:54] Speaker 1: Jones was out for a couple games, you know, I
[22:57] Speaker 1: think Richardson is not going anywhere.
[23:00] Speaker 3: Daniel Jones being out a couple games usually happens in
[23:02] Speaker 3: faris Daniel Jones seasons, so it's good to have insurance.
[23:05] Speaker 3: I just think about the nightmare scenario for the Colts
[23:07] Speaker 3: this year is that, like they trade Richardson, he ends
[23:09] Speaker 3: up going somewhere and find success in the future. In
[23:11] Speaker 3: the meantime, they lose Daniel Jones. There down to Riley
[23:13] Speaker 3: Leonard and they're like, what did we do that for?
[23:15] Speaker 3: So it makes a lot of sense to hang on
[23:16] Speaker 3: to him.
[23:18] Speaker 2: I was high on Riley Leonard coming off last season.
[23:20] Speaker 2: Might still happen for him.
[23:21] Speaker 1: Maybe he's a gamer, looked pretty good when he actually
[23:23] Speaker 1: played in the regular season. A lot of negative injury news,
[23:27] Speaker 1: but this is the week where a lot of players
[23:29] Speaker 1: who had been on the shelf for much training camp return,
[23:31] Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna list them off for you. Great news.
[23:35] Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle back for the Broncos. Tristan Wurf's really practicing
[23:38] Speaker 1: for the first time for the Bucks since like the
[23:40] Speaker 1: first day of camp. DeVante Smith is back for the
[23:44] Speaker 1: Eagles in practicing. Josh Jacobs is expected to return for
[23:47] Speaker 1: the Packers. That's a big one. Quinjon Mitchell missed a
[23:50] Speaker 1: lot of practice. He's been back. Paulson Adebo is back
[23:53] Speaker 1: for the Giants, although they're playing it with the backups,
[23:55] Speaker 1: which is interesting to watch. Gino Smith's foot injury was
[23:58] Speaker 1: a short term thing. They just kept him out of
[24:00] Speaker 1: the preseason, but he's practicing. The Jets also had a
[24:02] Speaker 1: couple of their defensive players, Joseph Asai the edge rusher
[24:05] Speaker 1: and Tovandre Sweat, returned to practice. The exciting rookie running
[24:10] Speaker 1: back for the Seahawks, Jenerian Price was back at practice
[24:14] Speaker 1: full go after missing much of his work, and then
[24:18] Speaker 1: Kaylan Black was out there at.
[24:19] Speaker 2: The joint practice.
[24:21] Speaker 1: He is the rookie running back for the forty nine
[24:23] Speaker 1: ers who could get a lot of work if Christian
[24:26] Speaker 1: McCaffrey can't get back on the field. Now, hold on
[24:28] Speaker 1: one second, we're going to say goodbye with you, Shook,
[24:31] Speaker 1: but we have a special correspondent on this show. Yes,
[24:35] Speaker 1: we've got boots on the ground all over the country.
[24:39] Speaker 1: Jordan rod Rieg was at the Texans Raiders joint practice
[24:45] Speaker 1: and we asked her to file a report. I can't
[24:50] Speaker 1: wait to hear what is happening in Houston.
[24:53] Speaker 5: On the offense. I wanted to talk about what I
[24:55] Speaker 5: saw in joint practices from CJ. Stroud and specifically in
[24:59] Speaker 5: up and down down for both teams quarterbacks. I want
[25:02] Speaker 5: to say, a couple picks at the end in sort
[25:04] Speaker 5: of garbage time by Stroud and then Mendoza was picked
[25:07] Speaker 5: off through a pick six for the Raiders, and then
[25:10] Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins tough a pick as well. But you're gonna
[25:13] Speaker 5: have those in joint practices. So that wasn't really what
[25:15] Speaker 5: I was focusing on as much as looking at what
[25:18] Speaker 5: this run game looked like, because I saw them walk
[25:20] Speaker 5: through it and install what they wanted to do in
[25:22] Speaker 5: the practice today and it looked the part. Demo. David
[25:26] Speaker 5: Montgomery on this team is a really, really great bonus
[25:30] Speaker 5: for this team in terms of he's got this presence
[25:33] Speaker 5: and a veteran experience that he knows what he wants
[25:36] Speaker 5: from his blocking. That really really helps when you're talking
[25:40] Speaker 5: about an offensive line that's still in the mix and
[25:42] Speaker 5: still getting to know each other. Kilan Rutledge is going
[25:46] Speaker 5: to be a dude. I mean gonna be a freaking dude.
[25:49] Speaker 5: I mean that guy is just getting into it and scrapping.
[25:53] Speaker 5: Demo told me that he's leading the entire group too.
[25:56] Speaker 5: This is a rookie, by the way. It's playing guard
[25:58] Speaker 5: right now. Could play center at some point will but
[26:01] Speaker 5: right now they like him at guard, and then Fernando Mendoza.
[26:06] Speaker 5: You know, Kirk Cousins. I still I do have some
[26:08] Speaker 5: worries about his mobility in terms of I'm not really
[26:10] Speaker 5: sure yet. I didn't see a ton of it today.
[26:12] Speaker 5: I'm still not sure. And we'll see about whether he's
[26:16] Speaker 5: going to get be able to do those longer bootlegs
[26:18] Speaker 5: and some of that like deeper drop stuff that like
[26:21] Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak and this system in general wants to do.
[26:24] Speaker 5: He had a tough time just timing wise against the
[26:28] Speaker 5: Texans defensive line. I think anybody would, and it just
[26:33] Speaker 5: was rough. Not no real push in the run game
[26:35] Speaker 5: for the Raiders, However, I think they're gonna get Ashton
[26:39] Speaker 5: Chancey going so much more in the passing game, which
[26:41] Speaker 5: is really exciting, so much more in the screen game,
[26:43] Speaker 5: which we've talked about on the show, which is exciting.
[26:46] Speaker 4: And also.
[26:48] Speaker 5: The rookie running back Mike Washington Junior like genuinely has
[26:53] Speaker 5: some stuff to him, especially as an outside zone runner.
[26:55] Speaker 5: He really churns through those first players pretty well. And
[26:59] Speaker 5: you know, he was a bright spot for them today
[27:01] Speaker 5: even though they couldn't really get a ton of run
[27:03] Speaker 5: game going. On the Raiders side, random Mendoza a lot
[27:06] Speaker 5: of work under center, as we expected, even when it
[27:10] Speaker 5: was tough sledding for him, he looked confident. He had
[27:12] Speaker 5: the best, probably the best play on offense for the
[27:14] Speaker 5: Raiders today, which was a mid range throw to the
[27:18] Speaker 5: sideline opposite sideline to brock Bowers. Really cool little scheme
[27:22] Speaker 5: on the play too. Brock Bowers capitalized really, I mean,
[27:26] Speaker 5: he just looks as form. And then on the other side,
[27:30] Speaker 5: I just also wanted to reiterate the Texans run game
[27:33] Speaker 5: look good. They got to keep going and they all
[27:36] Speaker 5: told me, you know, this a work in progress and
[27:38] Speaker 5: this is still as they say in football, stacking blocks
[27:41] Speaker 5: and just good reps, good reps, good reps. But they
[27:43] Speaker 5: really needed a day like this where they could see
[27:45] Speaker 5: all the ideas and the design and the mental stuff
[27:50] Speaker 5: and the physicality that they've been trying to build in
[27:52] Speaker 5: practice without being able to really hit people come to
[27:57] Speaker 5: Fruition today. So I think they all came away feeling really,
[28:00] Speaker 5: really positive about this day. Now, I'm just trolling you
[28:03] Speaker 5: because you said said something short and this is almost
[28:05] Speaker 5: six minutes long.
[28:07] Speaker 1: All right, you know, she said she trolled me with
[28:10] Speaker 1: six minutes of content. We trolled her right back by
[28:12] Speaker 1: like cutting off the first two and a half minutes
[28:14] Speaker 1: where oh, it was just kind of creative control.
[28:16] Speaker 4: It's just kind of still in the studio.
[28:18] Speaker 1: Clearing her throat and just setting it up. And that
[28:21] Speaker 1: was great stuff. I really love hearing this stuff. And
[28:24] Speaker 1: she was excited. You could tell listening to it about
[28:27] Speaker 1: Mike Washington an interesting player to watch for the Raiders.
[28:30] Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited about Mike Washington too. I'm excited
[28:33] Speaker 1: about this Texans offense. But you know who else loved
[28:36] Speaker 1: Mike Washington our Draftnick Consiglieri, Spice, Rack Brad Spicer.
[28:42] Speaker 2: Longtime listeners will know him.
[28:44] Speaker 1: So I am hashtag noticing this situation with the Raiders
[28:47] Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch them.
[28:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that everything works out up front for them,
[28:52] Speaker 3: and I hope that they can get the most I mean,
[28:53] Speaker 3: I hope brock Bower stays healthy because if he doesn't,
[28:55] Speaker 3: they'll have a more balanced offense.
[28:56] Speaker 4: They're gonna need it.
[28:57] Speaker 3: But love watching Mike Mike Washington gallop through the Defense
[29:01] Speaker 3: Net preseason opener.
[29:02] Speaker 4: I want to see more of them.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Some levels to this Raiders offense this season. Levels to
[29:08] Speaker 1: the NFL Daily Crew, Like what a week we're having
[29:11] Speaker 1: here with Claybon and Shook. Shook will be back with
[29:14] Speaker 1: me on Sunday night. Let's get out of here. That's
[29:16] Speaker 1: not our next show, but Shook will next be on
[29:19] Speaker 1: the program Sunday evening. The plan is eight o'clock Eastern,
[29:24] Speaker 1: five o'clock Pacific. Join us to recap all the games.
[29:27] Speaker 1: That's going to be a big one preseason week two recap.
[29:30] Speaker 1: But before we get to that, we got me in
[29:32] Speaker 1: a times this week. We got Josh Norris and then
[29:34] Speaker 1: on Wednesday we got Patrick Clayban talking NFC East.
[29:37] Speaker 2: We will see that

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