# NFL Daily 32: Ranking the Best Running Backs

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 29 May 2026, 1 h 23 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly give you their top 32 running backs heading into the 2026 season. Find out who comes in at first place, where players like Jahmyr Gibbs, Christian McCaffrey, Bijan Robinson rank, who just makes the list and is left off the NFL Daily 32: Running Backs Rankings entirely! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody. You gotta be
[0:01] Speaker 1: a little sick to love this game, and we got
[0:04] Speaker 1: some sickos.
[0:05] Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily, where running backs have always mattered.
[0:10] Speaker 1: Yes, this is.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Another NFL Daily thirty two ranking the positions across the NFL.
[0:16] Speaker 1: Today is the Running Back Show.
[0:18] Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal in Los Angeles talking to Ali Connelly
[0:23] Speaker 2: in Manchester. I don't know if you heard the news,
[0:25] Speaker 2: but running backs they matter again.
[0:28] Speaker 1: They're back. The running game is back. It's bag. Put
[0:31] Speaker 1: all the big.
[0:31] Speaker 3: Buddies on the field. We're running the bowl a whole bunch.
[0:33] Speaker 3: Those guys have to pass protect every once in a while.
[0:35] Speaker 3: It's a huge moment.
[0:37] Speaker 2: I like the narrative too, that like just so well,
[0:41] Speaker 2: you know, because it was like ten percent different seven
[0:44] Speaker 2: years ago, that like the running game was somehow in
[0:46] Speaker 2: consequence with the running game has always mattered. I know,
[0:49] Speaker 2: especially near and dear to your hurt.
[0:52] Speaker 3: I love the running game. And we said this during
[0:54] Speaker 3: the draft season. You go look at the recent history
[0:56] Speaker 3: of the guys taking the top ten. It's all the
[0:57] Speaker 3: best players of the position by a substended different and
[1:00] Speaker 3: it's compared to effectively every other position on the field.
[1:03] Speaker 3: Quote about you can go back and forth on So
[1:05] Speaker 3: the league has got a really good idea. I think
[1:07] Speaker 3: about who the best running backs on. I do feel
[1:08] Speaker 3: like it's the purest distillation of just bowl, just a
[1:11] Speaker 3: guy who carries it the best. I think in my head,
[1:13] Speaker 3: I think of Bill Campbell and Barry Sendez and all
[1:16] Speaker 3: the great plays to carry the bowl. It just feels
[1:18] Speaker 3: like beautiful Puel football. Yeah, it's you know, I watched
[1:22] Speaker 3: the youth flag. It's like, yeah, the best player is
[1:26] Speaker 3: the running back. It's the same thing as when you
[1:28] Speaker 3: were playing with your friends, like whoever can run the
[1:30] Speaker 3: ball the best.
[1:31] Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to this one.
[1:33] Speaker 2: We are defining this one through thirty two as the
[1:36] Speaker 2: running backs we would want to have for this season.
[1:40] Speaker 2: So it's not for one play, it's not for one game.
[1:43] Speaker 2: It's not a lifetime achievement award. Sometimes a heavy workload
[1:47] Speaker 2: works against running backs wanting for twenty twenty six rookies
[1:51] Speaker 2: are eligible. And since I threw Ali off his game
[1:56] Speaker 2: by not understanding the time zone difference and giving him
[2:00] Speaker 2: the wrong time and now he's had to scramble to
[2:02] Speaker 2: the computer, I will be generous enough to give you
[2:04] Speaker 2: the first overall pick.
[2:05] Speaker 3: I do appreciate that. I'm going to take Jon Robinson
[2:07] Speaker 3: from the Falcons. I think it's a top two and
[2:10] Speaker 3: it's a flip of a coin of who you prefer
[2:13] Speaker 3: with the top spy. I just think Bijon is the
[2:15] Speaker 3: best all around player in bold. I think if you
[2:17] Speaker 3: go skill by skill of what matters a position, there
[2:19] Speaker 3: is no one who does the things he does better running, receiving, blocking,
[2:23] Speaker 3: Even even as a lead blocker in the run game,
[2:25] Speaker 3: he's exceptional forcing misstackles yak both as a runner and receivers.
[2:29] Speaker 3: And I think the idea of backs who can move
[2:31] Speaker 3: all around the formation create some of these schematic mismatches
[2:34] Speaker 3: is a grossly overstated element of the game, particularly when
[2:37] Speaker 3: you go through the draft profile. But when you do
[2:39] Speaker 3: find the one or sometimes the two, every now and
[2:42] Speaker 3: then there's three in the league, it is life transformative
[2:45] Speaker 3: for an offense. And I think he's been in some
[2:47] Speaker 3: pretty tough situations in Atlanta and yet still is just
[2:49] Speaker 3: the best pure player at the position.
[2:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, and the workload that he had last year, Tyler
[2:56] Speaker 2: Aldier was still there, and yet he was targeted did
[3:00] Speaker 2: on the highest percentage of routes of any running back
[3:05] Speaker 2: from the slot or you know, or when they line
[3:08] Speaker 2: him out out wide, like the highest percentage. So that's quantity,
[3:13] Speaker 2: but it's also he's the guy who lines up the most,
[3:15] Speaker 2: so like he has the most opportunities and he's out
[3:18] Speaker 2: there the most. It's not the most effective play in football,
[3:22] Speaker 2: but it was the most effective play for them.
[3:23] Speaker 1: Like that.
[3:24] Speaker 2: I don't think that was the smartest way to build
[3:26] Speaker 2: an entire offense. But he ends up with seventy nine
[3:28] Speaker 2: catches for eight hundred and twenty yards. I actually think
[3:30] Speaker 2: like his overall season was slept on a little bit.
[3:33] Speaker 2: It was the second most yards from scrimmage, and I
[3:35] Speaker 2: do think this is a position where just in good
[3:37] Speaker 2: old fashioned yards like matter a little more than when
[3:40] Speaker 2: you were talking about passing yards. It was the second
[3:43] Speaker 2: most yards from scrimmage since the Adrian Peterson twenty twelve.
[3:46] Speaker 2: The only one that was better was was McCaffrey seven
[3:49] Speaker 2: years ago.
[3:50] Speaker 1: And yeah, you mentioned the yak.
[3:51] Speaker 2: Whether it's as a receiver or as a you know, runner,
[3:56] Speaker 2: he's right there at the top of the league. So
[3:57] Speaker 2: just like high percentage and him not like not falling
[4:01] Speaker 2: off in terms of his snap to snap.
[4:05] Speaker 1: I mean he was great late in the season.
[4:07] Speaker 2: I think just I think I don't know if it's
[4:09] Speaker 2: a tier one, but to me, he was the easy one.
[4:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think him and Gibbs is pretty close. I
[4:14] Speaker 3: do think the how Robinson is used, I think Gibbs
[4:16] Speaker 3: could be used more in that way. The Lion's just
[4:19] Speaker 3: not to do that with the design and Ira offense.
[4:21] Speaker 3: But he's the one way when these backs move around
[4:23] Speaker 3: the formation, only him. McCaffrey I think calls true panic
[4:26] Speaker 3: in a defense, whereas when everyone else it's like it's fun.
[4:29] Speaker 3: Particularly you talk about the college profile, how he goes
[4:32] Speaker 3: to the slot. He shuffles all the way to the perimitter.
[4:34] Speaker 3: I think defense is a pretty comfortable particularly they got
[4:37] Speaker 3: a corner out there saying, well, we'd rather just we'd
[4:39] Speaker 3: be more intimidated if the number three receivers out there.
[4:42] Speaker 3: Bijion is the one way you see absolute panic and
[4:44] Speaker 3: a ton of communication, a ton of breakdowns, and he
[4:46] Speaker 3: just runs routes like a true receiver.
[4:48] Speaker 1: And there's just so few guys who can do that. Yeah.
[4:50] Speaker 2: I love the way he sets up like the second guy.
[4:52] Speaker 2: He's not even worried about the first guy, but the
[4:54] Speaker 2: way that he often sets up the second defender that
[4:57] Speaker 2: he's gonna make miss.
[4:58] Speaker 1: There's a play in the in the.
[4:59] Speaker 2: Rams game, and this is not an example of that,
[5:01] Speaker 2: but he was so good in that game where you
[5:03] Speaker 2: know Byron Young is just on his back in the
[5:06] Speaker 2: backfield and he's falling off of Bijon, and he does
[5:10] Speaker 2: fall off him because Bijon's just so strong. And then
[5:12] Speaker 2: Bijon literally puts his hand in the ground and changes
[5:16] Speaker 2: directions so fast that I think it was spaces and
[5:19] Speaker 2: one of their cornerbacks that he just dusts them and
[5:22] Speaker 2: goes the other way. I mean, it's just everything in
[5:24] Speaker 2: one run. He can do it all, which is why
[5:26] Speaker 2: you know I had him as a solid one. But
[5:27] Speaker 2: it's good to hear that my number two pick was
[5:29] Speaker 2: in your top tier. It was easy to go with
[5:32] Speaker 2: Jamir Gibbs, who just provides that outrageous flexibility, the outrageous explosiveness.
[5:41] Speaker 2: The next Gen had a stat that on runs where
[5:45] Speaker 2: he was not contacted behind the line of scrimmage, he
[5:49] Speaker 2: averaged eight point five yards per gary basically if you
[5:55] Speaker 2: did not hit him in the backfield, and he actually
[5:57] Speaker 2: did take a lot of big loss his last year
[6:00] Speaker 2: compared to like the year before, but that was I
[6:02] Speaker 2: think more of the offensive line thing. He just busts you,
[6:06] Speaker 2: and he hits top speeds like twenty two miles an
[6:10] Speaker 2: hour faster and more than anyone in the NNGS era.
[6:14] Speaker 2: Like he gets to contact faster. He's just there. I
[6:18] Speaker 2: like how quiet his feet are two in the plays
[6:20] Speaker 2: where they're they're not open Ali, but to me, they're
[6:23] Speaker 2: just they're just like you can almost see the feat
[6:26] Speaker 2: asking a question and then they get the answer and
[6:29] Speaker 2: then he just explodes. And Yeah, there's there's no one
[6:32] Speaker 2: quite like him, I guess. I guess Bizan Robinson is
[6:35] Speaker 2: quite like him. But what a player Jamir Gabbs.
[6:37] Speaker 3: He is quite like him, I do think gives his
[6:39] Speaker 3: stump style acceleration is in like a different stratus fym.
[6:42] Speaker 3: It feels like something different to what we see in
[6:44] Speaker 3: the full when you're mentioning that some of the patient
[6:47] Speaker 3: runs where you get to really see the explosiveness where
[6:49] Speaker 3: he's waiting and waiting on. Once he goes, he just
[6:51] Speaker 3: raises tackling angles. I think safeties, particularly when you see
[6:54] Speaker 3: them coming down to Phil just cannot quite believe that
[6:57] Speaker 3: they think they're the best athlete on the field. This
[6:59] Speaker 3: guy just pull away from them. They can't even get
[7:01] Speaker 3: close to him. You mentioned some of the miles per
[7:04] Speaker 3: hour figures. It's just we haven't quite seen someone I
[7:06] Speaker 3: think with that level of second third degree burst and
[7:09] Speaker 3: then the stop start the initial jet is just unlike
[7:12] Speaker 3: anything else in the league.
[7:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[7:14] Speaker 2: And in terms of total production, five thousand yards in
[7:17] Speaker 2: three seasons was around nineteen hundred. When he does the
[7:21] Speaker 2: option route, I don't even know what you call that route.
[7:23] Speaker 2: But when he does the option route where he just
[7:24] Speaker 2: goes out into the flat and then cuts back inside
[7:27] Speaker 2: against the linebacker.
[7:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's over stop.
[7:30] Speaker 3: And I would say with the Lions, for all the
[7:33] Speaker 3: excellence of Ben Johnson, and then when Dan Campbell got
[7:36] Speaker 3: back involved in the offense last season, I still think
[7:39] Speaker 3: there's meat on the bones with him.
[7:40] Speaker 1: I think both as.
[7:41] Speaker 3: A receiver, I think it maybe altering some element to
[7:45] Speaker 3: the offense that they can be a little bit rudimentary.
[7:47] Speaker 3: I would say that they have all the creativity and
[7:49] Speaker 3: the motion, the move and actual the mechanics and how
[7:51] Speaker 3: they get him to get that free space where he's
[7:54] Speaker 3: not getting hit in the backfield. I think they could
[7:56] Speaker 3: possibly do more. I think part of Drew Petzinger's job
[7:59] Speaker 3: coming in is going to be we want to keep
[8:01] Speaker 3: the total volume of touches right where Dan Cambell had
[8:03] Speaker 3: it when he took over where balloon by seven targets
[8:05] Speaker 3: per game as a receiver more overall touches across the board.
[8:08] Speaker 3: But can we do it in some more creative ways
[8:10] Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be gimmick rey and motion
[8:13] Speaker 3: and movement, just can we alter some of the mechanics
[8:14] Speaker 3: slightly in the blocking game to get him some free
[8:17] Speaker 3: running starts, because you mentioned if he hits the hole
[8:18] Speaker 3: and he's free, we're getting eight yachts.
[8:20] Speaker 1: No matter what.
[8:20] Speaker 3: I'm most likely we'll get a bigger chunk than that.
[8:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, the revelation for him coming into league, for me
[8:25] Speaker 2: at least was just how much stronger he was that
[8:27] Speaker 2: than I expected, And like that that can't be last year.
[8:30] Speaker 2: We'll not as many yards after contact last year as
[8:32] Speaker 2: even the year before per carry, but just for the
[8:35] Speaker 2: total package, his strength is also awesome.
[8:38] Speaker 1: I am curious. I have no idea where you're going three.
[8:41] Speaker 2: I think you got some good options, but like you've mentioned,
[8:44] Speaker 2: a tier break, So who do you take as the
[8:46] Speaker 2: third back.
[8:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have four guys here that I'm struggling to
[8:49] Speaker 3: choose between. I think I'm still going to go with
[8:51] Speaker 3: Christie McCaffrey. I understand he's carried a crazy workload last
[8:56] Speaker 3: year with all the injuries around the nine, as it
[8:58] Speaker 3: was just like, we're just going to put it on
[8:59] Speaker 3: McCaffrey take us home, and he wasn't as efficient. I
[9:02] Speaker 3: just thought there was some decline as a pure runner,
[9:05] Speaker 3: but as a receiver, he still remains the most impactful
[9:09] Speaker 3: of all of these guys. Like Bijon structurally gives you
[9:11] Speaker 3: a little bit more, but McCaffrey's just a straight away receiver.
[9:13] Speaker 3: He is a slot receiver playing in the backfield a
[9:16] Speaker 3: lot of the time and as being a little bit
[9:18] Speaker 3: of slippage there. But I still think that he's gonna
[9:21] Speaker 3: if that everyone else is healthy and they've got more
[9:23] Speaker 3: the receiving threat with Mike Evans, that this season he'll
[9:26] Speaker 3: be just as productive as he's be in the past.
[9:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[9:28] Speaker 2: I hope the decline in his running like was, you know,
[9:34] Speaker 2: partly on the workload that they gave him, which was
[9:37] Speaker 2: just enormous. I mean, who else could have done what
[9:39] Speaker 2: he did last year. I don't think anyone so he
[9:41] Speaker 2: was so valuable to that team. But I do think
[9:44] Speaker 2: a next gen stat which points out a little what
[9:46] Speaker 2: you're talking about is, you know, he was very high
[9:49] Speaker 2: in terms of forcing miss tackles, I think the most
[9:51] Speaker 2: of anyone, like cumulatively, but the yards that he would
[9:56] Speaker 2: average gain when he forces a mistackle was the second
[9:59] Speaker 2: low us in the league.
[10:00] Speaker 1: And so there just weren't the explosives.
[10:03] Speaker 2: There were a lot of turning fours into sixes and
[10:06] Speaker 2: threes or negative ones into fives like that sort of running,
[10:10] Speaker 2: but you didn't see quite as much on the ground.
[10:13] Speaker 2: Then again, you know, talking about him on the ground
[10:15] Speaker 2: is only you know, half, if even that much of
[10:18] Speaker 2: his value. I mean, he had one hundred and two
[10:20] Speaker 2: catches and they built the whole plane out of him,
[10:22] Speaker 2: and he.
[10:22] Speaker 1: Held it up and they were one of the best
[10:24] Speaker 1: offenses in the league.
[10:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think last season he saw more
[10:28] Speaker 3: light boxes than he seen his entire creat It was
[10:30] Speaker 3: just so evident. Everyone's like, we don't respect the passing game.
[10:32] Speaker 3: We know Kyle Shanahan's unbelievable, but sometimes it's Mac Jones
[10:35] Speaker 3: and it's Broke Purdy again, we don't believe in the
[10:37] Speaker 3: receiving call. We'll just give Christy McCaffrey six shots and
[10:40] Speaker 3: we'll sit in there and we'll be comfortable with that.
[10:41] Speaker 3: And he just didn't punish that. The way he has
[10:43] Speaker 3: done throughout his career, you would think we got a
[10:45] Speaker 3: numbers of advents. We got Christy McAffrey in the backfield.
[10:47] Speaker 3: This has a chance to rip off some huge chunk plays,
[10:50] Speaker 3: and it was really it was more grinding. He was
[10:52] Speaker 3: stopping his feet a lot more. And then even the
[10:54] Speaker 3: top end speed, if you go by the MGS data,
[10:57] Speaker 3: has steadily dropped off over the last two seasons. Well,
[11:00] Speaker 3: I do think that if everything around him is a
[11:02] Speaker 3: little bit better and he is to me more of
[11:04] Speaker 3: a if he makes one guy miss then you get
[11:07] Speaker 3: the twenty five yard burst as opposed to being the
[11:10] Speaker 3: three all the full and if it's a light bulks,
[11:12] Speaker 3: you got guys deeper on the defensive side, So then
[11:14] Speaker 3: you've got to make three guys missage really get a
[11:17] Speaker 3: huge shot. So I think that the additions around him
[11:20] Speaker 3: will allow him to unlock some all the season.
[11:22] Speaker 2: So I had him in the same tiers as you,
[11:24] Speaker 2: but I had him fifth, just because, look, he's led
[11:27] Speaker 2: the league and touches three times.
[11:29] Speaker 1: The up in one of them was last year.
[11:31] Speaker 2: The other two times, you know, he got hurt right
[11:33] Speaker 2: after he has had five like first ballot Hall of
[11:37] Speaker 2: Fame type seasons he's played. This is gonna be his
[11:40] Speaker 2: tenh season. The other four years, you know, we're marred
[11:43] Speaker 2: by injury, and so that that's just the slightest of
[11:46] Speaker 2: slight concerns to take them a little lower for me
[11:49] Speaker 2: beyond these next two guys that I'm gonna choose between,
[11:52] Speaker 2: I'm not even sure who I'm going forth.
[11:53] Speaker 3: The only differratenting thing for me, I think was the
[11:56] Speaker 3: receiving side. You do get that with some of the
[11:58] Speaker 3: the top guys. I think James Cook, I think on
[12:00] Speaker 3: a China has got some of that in his game, too,
[12:02] Speaker 3: but it is a different level with McCaffrey.
[12:04] Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I'm giving away too much here, but I'm
[12:07] Speaker 2: I'm debating between Cook and a different guy who's never
[12:10] Speaker 2: played in the league, Jeremiah Love. And then when push
[12:13] Speaker 2: comes to shove with me on the clock, I'm gonna
[12:16] Speaker 2: lean what I know better and what Patrick Claybahn answered
[12:20] Speaker 2: as our question on the would you rather episode earlier?
[12:23] Speaker 1: This week, I will take James Cook.
[12:25] Speaker 2: He led the NFL in Carrie's last year, which is,
[12:28] Speaker 2: you know, a slight concern. Also like lead and rush
[12:32] Speaker 2: yards over expected and even per carry was second in
[12:36] Speaker 2: the NFL in yards over expected. So it's a great
[12:39] Speaker 2: marriage of scheme and the runner. And yet I think
[12:42] Speaker 2: he would fit in just about every scheme because he
[12:45] Speaker 2: gets more than what's blocked. He's I think, very good
[12:48] Speaker 2: as a receiver, but they have Ty Johnson and they
[12:50] Speaker 2: have a good backup situation. Even you know, Ray Davis
[12:53] Speaker 2: is in there a little bit and so you don't
[12:55] Speaker 2: use him as much, but I think they could use
[12:57] Speaker 2: him more.
[12:57] Speaker 1: So.
[12:57] Speaker 2: I do think he's a complete back. I just think
[13:01] Speaker 2: he's smooth. He is right smack in the middle of
[13:03] Speaker 2: his prime where his athleticism is peaking. But I think
[13:07] Speaker 2: he's a smart runner. And I just feel very safe
[13:11] Speaker 2: with James Cook as my next back on the list.
[13:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's the most aesthetically pleasing runner in
[13:18] Speaker 3: the entire league. I love the bobbing, weaving, gathering speed
[13:21] Speaker 3: type stuff where at times it doesn't always look like
[13:23] Speaker 3: he's going at top speed. But guys just can't get
[13:25] Speaker 3: anywhere near him. I'm glad that on the YouTube show
[13:27] Speaker 3: we showed the Browns run to open up the James
[13:30] Speaker 3: Cook montage. I think that is the one way you
[13:33] Speaker 3: see hallacious defensive players just be completely thrown off by
[13:39] Speaker 3: how quick you can kind of climb through the gears.
[13:42] Speaker 3: And I think I agree with you on the receiving set.
[13:43] Speaker 3: I think he's the best pure wheel route runner in
[13:46] Speaker 3: the league. And he came from college as that was
[13:49] Speaker 3: the fall taste. Like he's on to a receiving back.
[13:51] Speaker 3: We're not sure we can carry the ball between the tackles,
[13:53] Speaker 3: and we have to do some jet sweet stuff and
[13:54] Speaker 3: some pitch stuff and get him too the perimeter. And
[13:56] Speaker 3: he's just turned himself into a guy. I think you
[13:57] Speaker 3: can hit all these explosives and all the home runs,
[14:00] Speaker 3: but then it's happy to grind out the dirty yards
[14:01] Speaker 3: as well. So he to me is you're just as
[14:03] Speaker 3: comfortable with third and two game on the line. We
[14:06] Speaker 3: know we've got Josh Allen, but we feel good with
[14:08] Speaker 3: James Coke running behind our offensive line, or we can
[14:11] Speaker 3: slip him out of the backfield. Always knew something more
[14:13] Speaker 3: creative with him. I do think he's more of the
[14:15] Speaker 3: essential point of an offense, and it's just the slightly
[14:17] Speaker 3: boxed in with how the Bills used me. If he
[14:19] Speaker 3: played somewhere else, I think they'll be even more on
[14:21] Speaker 3: the menu.
[14:21] Speaker 2: And yet, you know, the way they use him did
[14:24] Speaker 2: lead to him leading the league in rash and he
[14:25] Speaker 2: gets second team All Pro in a season where they
[14:28] Speaker 2: were just monster running back season. So he gets that
[14:31] Speaker 2: over Gibbs and they've used him well, and you know,
[14:34] Speaker 2: it's been exciting. I loved his brother, Dalvin Cook, and
[14:37] Speaker 2: to think that James Cook has become as good or
[14:40] Speaker 2: better maybe now at his peak, is just an awesome
[14:43] Speaker 2: running back dynasty.
[14:44] Speaker 1: All right, who do you got for number five?
[14:47] Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Devon ah Chan from the Dolphins. I
[14:50] Speaker 3: really think he's become a complete back and he's not
[14:53] Speaker 3: just the burner that he once was, or he was
[14:55] Speaker 3: when he first came into the league. You look at
[14:57] Speaker 3: the yards he averages have to contact now four point
[15:00] Speaker 3: forty yards last season, still leading the league in explosive
[15:03] Speaker 3: player rate from the line of scrimmage. Another guy who
[15:06] Speaker 3: just eliminates angles and while kild still being willing to
[15:10] Speaker 3: run behind his pads and stick his nose in there
[15:12] Speaker 3: in a way that he just was I thought quite
[15:14] Speaker 3: averse to contact early in his career because he thought,
[15:16] Speaker 3: I'll in three places time, I'll get another little pitch
[15:18] Speaker 3: to the outside and maybe I can take that to
[15:20] Speaker 3: the house. Whereas now he really is willing to throw
[15:22] Speaker 3: his nose in there. And then you see some of
[15:24] Speaker 3: the stuff in the passing game, which is the most
[15:25] Speaker 3: exciting part to me. And there's the Dolphins tradeaway Jalen Waddle.
[15:29] Speaker 3: I think it's going to become a bigger part of
[15:30] Speaker 3: the portfolio with him. He's running a ton of vertical
[15:33] Speaker 3: release stuff from the backfield. Now that's slimmed down a
[15:36] Speaker 3: lot across the league as the league has kind of
[15:37] Speaker 3: evolved to get to the heavier tight end stuff to
[15:40] Speaker 3: run the ball. Moll, we're seeing less vertical releases from
[15:42] Speaker 3: running backs than we did do the previous few seasons.
[15:45] Speaker 3: He still is the guy who I think is just
[15:46] Speaker 3: an absolute weapon flying down the field where it's from
[15:49] Speaker 3: out the backfield, though shiveled to the slot.
[15:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, there aren't many running backs that can just take
[15:54] Speaker 2: over a game. Obviously, the guys who are getting taken
[15:57] Speaker 2: right now are in that group. But maybe even more
[15:59] Speaker 2: than a James Cook, Like in that Bill's game where
[16:02] Speaker 2: the Dolphins went really in that You know, I thought
[16:05] Speaker 2: I hallucinated this, But the Dolphins had a four game
[16:07] Speaker 2: winning streak last season, Like uh about h Ham took
[16:12] Speaker 2: over those games. He is so good, not just that
[16:16] Speaker 2: big plays, but when he has someone just that little
[16:20] Speaker 2: cutback that he does in the open field, that's like
[16:23] Speaker 2: the second or third man that he makes miss.
[16:24] Speaker 1: He just does it so naturally.
[16:26] Speaker 2: He leads the league in yards per carry, which is
[16:29] Speaker 2: still a stat you know, it's worth checking out, Like
[16:31] Speaker 2: pointy second, I believe in yards after you know, forcing mistackles.
[16:36] Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to see him without Mike McDaniel.
[16:40] Speaker 1: The Dolphins weren't worried.
[16:41] Speaker 2: About giving him that big contract without McDaniel and coming
[16:44] Speaker 2: off of a shoulder surgery, which which he's supposed to
[16:46] Speaker 2: be ready for camp for And so I get that
[16:49] Speaker 2: pick like a little a little lower in terms of
[16:52] Speaker 2: success rate. That that doesn't bother you stylistically though, does it?
[16:55] Speaker 1: No?
[16:56] Speaker 3: None the slightest, because I think that ties so much
[16:58] Speaker 3: more to the quality of the offensive line then it
[17:00] Speaker 3: does the pure runner. And he had some nightmarish sinkholes
[17:05] Speaker 3: on that line. Last year they had to completely coach around.
[17:07] Speaker 3: They found the way to make it successful. I am
[17:09] Speaker 3: concerned about Bobby Slowick taking over the offense, and this
[17:12] Speaker 3: is being a wide zone twenty eighteen style of offense,
[17:15] Speaker 3: which I just don't think maximizes him all the offensive
[17:17] Speaker 3: line at all. You want Patrick's Paul in space, Aaron
[17:20] Speaker 3: Brewer in space. That that's how you want it to roll.
[17:24] Speaker 3: And then you've got the little quick guy rolling behind
[17:26] Speaker 3: the big lumber and fellas out in front. That's where
[17:28] Speaker 3: their offense I think is at their best way. He
[17:30] Speaker 3: hits the most home run shots, So that is the
[17:33] Speaker 3: one thing that gave me some pause. But I think
[17:35] Speaker 3: you'd just be foolish to kind of turn yourself into
[17:38] Speaker 3: this really mundane offense when you have that offensive line
[17:40] Speaker 3: in that back.
[17:41] Speaker 2: No doubt, and we are trying to draft these running
[17:44] Speaker 2: backs devoid of context, which is you know why I'm
[17:48] Speaker 2: happy to take Jeremiah Love here. I'm glad I took
[17:51] Speaker 2: Cook and we went with the veterans first, but I
[17:54] Speaker 2: am so excited to watch this kid at the next level.
[17:59] Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, everyone was in on Jeremiah Love.
[18:02] Speaker 2: The debate was kind of, well, is he the best
[18:05] Speaker 2: prospect since Peterson? Or is it like this is pretty
[18:07] Speaker 2: common or since Jon? You know, to me, just the explosiveness,
[18:12] Speaker 2: the size, speed, strength, that I'm a dummy is just
[18:16] Speaker 2: off the charts, Like, I don't know if I've seen
[18:20] Speaker 2: a prospect quite that crazy in terms of that. Maybe
[18:23] Speaker 2: maybe since Peterson, does he have all the subtleties. Is
[18:27] Speaker 2: he gonna be able to adapt in the receiving game,
[18:29] Speaker 2: like as seamlessly, as a as a blocker, all that stuff?
[18:32] Speaker 2: Will he fit with Arizona? That's not the concern for
[18:34] Speaker 2: this exercise. Running Back is a position you can come
[18:38] Speaker 2: and you can be an impact player right away for
[18:42] Speaker 2: this season. Like there's at least a chance it's on
[18:44] Speaker 2: the board Ollie that he's like a top three or
[18:47] Speaker 2: four running back as a rookie.
[18:49] Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's such an electric talent.
[18:53] Speaker 3: I've said this to you before, but I really thinking,
[18:55] Speaker 3: was you watched with the highlight? Really it looks like
[18:57] Speaker 3: ray g Bush and he wasted four pounds more, and
[18:59] Speaker 3: so we can do a lot of the dirty stuff
[19:00] Speaker 3: between the tackles. He can thump in there he did
[19:03] Speaker 3: play on a pitch count a noted dame, and I'm
[19:05] Speaker 3: interested to see what the pitch count will look like
[19:07] Speaker 3: in Arizona. Will he have to come off the field
[19:09] Speaker 3: on passing down. That's a great strength of his is
[19:11] Speaker 3: he's a pretty solid route running. He's really explosive from
[19:14] Speaker 3: transition catch to run and then just turning into a
[19:17] Speaker 3: runner and being able to make guys miss. But I
[19:19] Speaker 3: do question just the general route trees some of the
[19:22] Speaker 3: pass pro stuff. He's really willing, but it's difficult, I
[19:24] Speaker 3: think for rookies to come up and survive on pass
[19:27] Speaker 3: pro and the league really only McCaffrey and Zeke Elliott
[19:29] Speaker 3: have been like a plus pass pro guys from the
[19:32] Speaker 3: second they stepped into the league. It's a pretty tall
[19:34] Speaker 3: bar decline to then get the snap counts. You need
[19:37] Speaker 3: to be able to be that productive. But that's what
[19:39] Speaker 3: the great ones do. Even in the most recent history
[19:42] Speaker 3: of the league about last ten years, the guy's taken
[19:44] Speaker 3: right at the top of the draft step in the
[19:46] Speaker 3: outstanding from day one. I see no reason why Jeremiah
[19:48] Speaker 3: Love wouldn't.
[19:49] Speaker 2: Be And like jan he's got Tyler El's year to
[19:52] Speaker 2: take some of those carries away unless they trade away
[19:54] Speaker 2: Tyler Owl's year before he even takes a snap for them.
[19:58] Speaker 2: I saw someone ask as that happened, like in recent
[20:01] Speaker 2: NFL history, someone signs a contract and then they're traded
[20:04] Speaker 2: before and uh, the Teddy Bridgewater Jets was brought up
[20:07] Speaker 2: as a situation, so it can't happen. If they wanted
[20:12] Speaker 2: to go with James Connor, I guess as the backup,
[20:14] Speaker 2: and I don't think they'll do that.
[20:16] Speaker 1: I think they'll keep Algier. I don't know. I don't
[20:18] Speaker 1: know if Love would have been in Was he in
[20:20] Speaker 1: that tier for you?
[20:21] Speaker 3: He was not a nut Tiffany. I respect, I respect
[20:24] Speaker 3: the veterans too much. You'll probably correct, but I just
[20:27] Speaker 3: didn't want.
[20:27] Speaker 1: To do it to some guys.
[20:28] Speaker 2: I did feel bad about some of the greats that
[20:31] Speaker 2: I'm leaving on the table, but that's it's an unforgiving position,
[20:34] Speaker 2: and that's why I did weigh the workload that some
[20:38] Speaker 2: of these guys have had and bump Love up.
[20:40] Speaker 1: Who do you have? Seventh? Overall?
[20:42] Speaker 3: I have Jonathan Taylor, which is probably an over draft base,
[20:45] Speaker 3: and you talking about wilfload. I think the thing that
[20:48] Speaker 3: I love about Taylor is his improvement in the passing game.
[20:51] Speaker 3: The effort as a blocker has become absolutely outstanding. It
[20:54] Speaker 3: used to really wax some way, and I fought with him.
[20:56] Speaker 3: He used to when he was having really good games,
[20:58] Speaker 3: he'd be really invested in the past pro side fortune.
[21:01] Speaker 3: Last season he had a really good game every time
[21:02] Speaker 3: he stepped in the field, so he was getting after
[21:04] Speaker 3: it every single rep. I still think there is more
[21:07] Speaker 3: that they can do with him in the passing game,
[21:09] Speaker 3: and I'm excited seeing in YE two with similar pieces
[21:12] Speaker 3: if they try and expand that slightly. It's a lot
[21:14] Speaker 3: of check and release stuff with him as a receiver,
[21:16] Speaker 3: and I do think that there's work they can do
[21:18] Speaker 3: that with him, and maybe more of a mccaffree style
[21:21] Speaker 3: role shuffling around the formation slightly so. But as a
[21:24] Speaker 3: pure runner, I just don't know who has got this
[21:26] Speaker 3: good vision, as good second level juice, who's got as
[21:28] Speaker 3: good wiggle. It's just hard to find anyone out that
[21:30] Speaker 3: who's as good as a pure one track runner.
[21:33] Speaker 2: No, I think you can make the argument that he
[21:36] Speaker 2: was underdrafted here. I kept bumping him up. He's a
[21:39] Speaker 2: little higher on my list, but he was still below.
[21:42] Speaker 2: Like I think you can argue he could go as
[21:44] Speaker 2: high as three, which makes sense. He would be in
[21:46] Speaker 2: your tier because look, there was a point last year
[21:48] Speaker 2: Ali that he had more yards after contact than every
[21:55] Speaker 2: runner in the league except for two had period and
[21:58] Speaker 2: that was like Week twelve. That was basically the Daniel
[22:01] Speaker 2: Jones healthy section of the season. And the thing I
[22:05] Speaker 2: love about him he has really settled in and in
[22:08] Speaker 2: steadily I think improved. He's always been an electric runner,
[22:11] Speaker 2: but he really showed up last season and he was
[22:13] Speaker 2: a different player in the passing game.
[22:16] Speaker 1: He was no longer a negative. He was a better receiver.
[22:19] Speaker 2: He was better especially in the blocking game where they
[22:21] Speaker 2: trusted him to stay on the field. So guys can
[22:24] Speaker 2: develop five six years into their career. And yeah, if
[22:28] Speaker 2: any like I just he's one of the safer picks
[22:31] Speaker 2: I think you can make of anything.
[22:32] Speaker 1: I feel like we might we might have underrated him
[22:34] Speaker 1: a little bit.
[22:35] Speaker 3: I think taking him after Jeremiah Love is insulting after
[22:38] Speaker 3: the last season, but there's a there is a real
[22:40] Speaker 3: chance for aggression. It was such a perfect ecosystem less season,
[22:44] Speaker 3: and even the past person if they're ahead of the
[22:47] Speaker 3: chain so often because he's so excellent that he's just
[22:50] Speaker 3: not in his compromise positions as he has been previously
[22:52] Speaker 3: in his crib. It's third and medium, third and long
[22:54] Speaker 3: over and over again. Well that's sustained. I'm not so sure.
[22:57] Speaker 3: And even the passing game stiff. Like I mentioned, it's
[22:59] Speaker 3: just a lot of check and release stuff to the fly.
[23:01] Speaker 3: It's not more of the expansive type stuff, which I
[23:04] Speaker 3: do think that play is in there. James Cook has
[23:06] Speaker 3: done a lot of that similar work, but I wait
[23:10] Speaker 3: to see. I think Steichen's pretty laser focus on what
[23:13] Speaker 3: the scheme looks like.
[23:14] Speaker 2: Well, you talk about disrespectful, I mean they gone Barkley
[23:17] Speaker 2: still sitting there pretty deep into the draft, not coming
[23:21] Speaker 2: off a great season. There's another name, I know it's
[23:24] Speaker 2: intriguing to you that's available. I will take Saquon now,
[23:29] Speaker 2: just to avoid all the Eagles fans who are.
[23:33] Speaker 1: Unhappy their lives.
[23:34] Speaker 2: Look, he was hit behind the line of scrimmage one
[23:36] Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two times.
[23:39] Speaker 1: That's outrageous.
[23:41] Speaker 2: He only had one explosive in all those plays, though,
[23:43] Speaker 2: and I do think that points out. You know, he
[23:49] Speaker 2: did warm up late, and yet he did feel a
[23:51] Speaker 2: little more victim to being dependent on the offensive line,
[23:57] Speaker 2: maybe more than most. I think it's a good sign
[23:59] Speaker 2: that he warmed up up late in the season. I
[24:00] Speaker 2: thought he played his best ball later. But if I'm
[24:04] Speaker 2: talking about workload, yeah, he had one hundred and thirty
[24:06] Speaker 2: six fewer touches a year ago. Like that's the good news, Ali.
[24:10] Speaker 2: The bad news is he still had three hundred and
[24:12] Speaker 2: fifty and still you know, he has the most touches
[24:14] Speaker 2: in the last two years combined. Like if you just
[24:16] Speaker 2: care about EPA, which doesn't really make sense to me
[24:19] Speaker 2: as a rushing stat. It's more of a team stat,
[24:22] Speaker 2: like it is the second worst you know, yardage or
[24:25] Speaker 2: mark in the entire league.
[24:27] Speaker 1: Like he's just he's stuffed. You know, it was a
[24:29] Speaker 1: team wide thing.
[24:30] Speaker 2: But you do have to worry that if he's losing
[24:33] Speaker 2: a little juice or that he needed to take warm up.
[24:35] Speaker 2: I'm saying a lot of negative things, and yet he's
[24:37] Speaker 2: still Saquon Barkley, and I do think he could have
[24:40] Speaker 2: a little bit of a bounce back season, and he
[24:42] Speaker 2: doesn't need to bounce back that far to be worthy
[24:45] Speaker 2: of taking in the top ten here.
[24:47] Speaker 1: No, I agree, he's the guy of this group.
[24:49] Speaker 3: I think who has the most chance to jump into
[24:51] Speaker 3: the top two or three and have us look like
[24:52] Speaker 3: complete bozos the end of the season, like, why did
[24:54] Speaker 3: we just pass on Saquon Boggley. It was such a
[24:57] Speaker 3: show all of last season. They were tipping plays called.
[25:00] Speaker 3: They had about seven plays in the offense it was
[25:01] Speaker 3: saque to the left, it was Saque away specific designated
[25:04] Speaker 3: target point was about fifty five percent of his carries,
[25:07] Speaker 3: I mean, from the same formation. It made absolutely no sense,
[25:10] Speaker 3: So that has to clean up slightly. I did think
[25:13] Speaker 3: that he looked I couldn't tell if he was hurt
[25:15] Speaker 3: or carrying some kind of injury throughout a good stretch
[25:18] Speaker 3: of the season because he did look slower. There wasn't
[25:21] Speaker 3: quite the same kind of burst. And he's got this
[25:23] Speaker 3: unbelievable ability to kind of hop hop in two quick
[25:27] Speaker 3: cuts that just make guys evaporate. The picture for a
[25:29] Speaker 3: lot of players last season was a lot of just
[25:31] Speaker 3: the one cut, and it wasn't quite the same level
[25:33] Speaker 3: of travel that he had in the year when he
[25:36] Speaker 3: just went absolutely mayhem on the league. So but you
[25:38] Speaker 3: did see, as you mentioned, down the stretch, I thought
[25:40] Speaker 3: he had a little bit more juice down there, even
[25:42] Speaker 3: the one you're talking about where he gets hit in
[25:44] Speaker 3: the backfield that he rips off the explosive. He gets
[25:46] Speaker 3: hit at the mesh point against the Commander's spins out
[25:48] Speaker 3: of it to spin move and it's one of the
[25:49] Speaker 3: old time Saquon runs. So I think that player is
[25:52] Speaker 3: still in there. It just will it have to be
[25:54] Speaker 3: more of a pitch count. And he's always been really
[25:57] Speaker 3: offensive line and scheme dependent, more so than I I
[26:00] Speaker 3: think the reputation carries. It's just when it's the right
[26:02] Speaker 3: offensive line, when it's the right scheme. He's one of
[26:04] Speaker 3: the best backs we've seen.
[26:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I'm going to knock him for the touches,
[26:10] Speaker 2: just think projecting forward. You also have to give him
[26:12] Speaker 2: credit for the durability. The last four seasons has been excellent.
[26:15] Speaker 2: I mean, he he had a heavy heavy workload in
[26:18] Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty three, and really since he came off
[26:21] Speaker 2: you know that awful injury that he had. All right,
[26:23] Speaker 2: Saquon is off the board. I'm getting well, I won't
[26:28] Speaker 2: guess who's your pick at number nine.
[26:30] Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Kenneth walk of the third. Oh okay,
[26:32] Speaker 1: now who else guessing this? To me?
[26:35] Speaker 3: I think is the most exciting player to team addition
[26:38] Speaker 3: in all of free agency. Just an explosive play waiting
[26:41] Speaker 3: to happen. The Chiefs have been crying out for so
[26:44] Speaker 3: long to really augment that run game, got to play
[26:47] Speaker 3: more in the center, got to get some explosives in
[26:50] Speaker 3: the rung game. And he's just an explosive play waiting
[26:52] Speaker 3: to happen. I think he's the one guy who's not
[26:55] Speaker 3: in the consistently held up in the elite to even
[26:58] Speaker 3: by his own staff, who's plating splitting time with Zach Shaubeney.
[27:01] Speaker 3: And I understand he's the Super Bowl MVP, but outside
[27:04] Speaker 3: of that tier, he's the one who gives you those
[27:06] Speaker 3: kind of tingly feelings of beje On and Gibbs.
[27:08] Speaker 1: I would say fair.
[27:10] Speaker 2: I mean, I'll think about that game as an example
[27:14] Speaker 2: of how Kenneth Walker doesn't always run because he was
[27:17] Speaker 2: so decisive. He like he beat the Patriots to the
[27:19] Speaker 2: outside on the very first play of the game.
[27:21] Speaker 1: I could picture it so clearly.
[27:22] Speaker 2: In my mind right now, and that that happened quite
[27:25] Speaker 2: a bit in that game. He ran up the middle
[27:26] Speaker 2: a lot, he did not hesitate. There's a crazy stat
[27:29] Speaker 2: from next Gen that he takes the longest to get
[27:34] Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage of anyone in the next
[27:37] Speaker 2: gen stats era like he and you can kind of
[27:43] Speaker 2: see that, like he'll go he'll literally go backwards. Sometimes
[27:46] Speaker 2: he takes a while to maybe make the decision. Sometimes
[27:50] Speaker 2: two more that he also travels more to get to
[27:53] Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. I think it was than anyone
[27:56] Speaker 2: in the next gen stats era. And yet like when
[27:59] Speaker 2: when he makes a and the creativity, there are a
[28:02] Speaker 2: few better, and so it's higher than I would have
[28:04] Speaker 2: had him because I like I like a little more
[28:06] Speaker 2: like metronomic predictability out of my running backs. I like
[28:09] Speaker 2: the boring guys sometimes, but just in terms of pure
[28:12] Speaker 2: juice and excitement, he's there.
[28:14] Speaker 3: I think there'll be some more boredom this season. I
[28:17] Speaker 3: think if you look at the rest of the Chiefs
[28:20] Speaker 3: running back room, he's gonna have to do some of
[28:22] Speaker 3: the it's third and two, we're gonna have to slam
[28:24] Speaker 3: it behind Creed Humphrey and go get the two yards,
[28:26] Speaker 3: and you can't be dancing around. You are gonna get
[28:28] Speaker 3: me on my soapbox. We do have an epidemic at
[28:30] Speaker 3: these guys who believe that Leveon Bell, and no one
[28:32] Speaker 3: can ever played the position ever. Again, like Leveon Bell,
[28:35] Speaker 3: Walk is maybe the closest and has so much more
[28:39] Speaker 3: sudden burst than Levon even had. The You just picture
[28:44] Speaker 3: him when they're running all that patient stuff and it's
[28:46] Speaker 3: read out, read out, wait for the linebacker to commit.
[28:48] Speaker 3: Once he shows one way, you fire the other way,
[28:50] Speaker 3: which is the style he prefers to play. And you're
[28:52] Speaker 3: doing that behind Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith and Kingsley
[28:55] Speaker 3: Sue Mattia, who if nothing else, can drive people off
[28:58] Speaker 3: the ball. I think it's going to be a pretty
[29:00] Speaker 3: lethfull season.
[29:01] Speaker 2: You've put me in a tough spot. I really don't
[29:03] Speaker 2: know who to take tenth. I kept I play. You
[29:06] Speaker 2: know you're saying I'm playing mental games getting you to
[29:10] Speaker 2: the draft spot a little earlier than you expected. Were
[29:14] Speaker 2: you playing mental games with me when you said quote
[29:17] Speaker 2: the Kyrone Williams explosive run cut up tape is the
[29:21] Speaker 2: most fun I've had in weeks watching that. Are you
[29:23] Speaker 2: trying to make me take Kyrien Williams early? Is this
[29:26] Speaker 2: too early for Kyrien Williams?
[29:27] Speaker 3: What do you think I would be all in if
[29:29] Speaker 3: I was ever allowed to run a team, which would
[29:31] Speaker 3: be even more of a disaster in the mail congrudent,
[29:33] Speaker 3: I fully accept that I would be doing the dirtiest tricks.
[29:36] Speaker 3: I'd be leaking everything to rap she. All of my
[29:38] Speaker 3: guys I'd bring in my building will be a complete fugazy.
[29:42] Speaker 1: So it's pulsible.
[29:44] Speaker 2: Maybe I should just leave him for you, But that
[29:48] Speaker 2: in on my final board. He's the next one. I'm
[29:50] Speaker 2: sticking to my board. What the heck it'll it'll pay
[29:53] Speaker 2: you to do it. Kyron Williams is off the board,
[29:56] Speaker 2: head of some head of some really talented, big name players.
[30:00] Speaker 2: He was sixth in mistackle force yards and like I said,
[30:04] Speaker 2: I do like the consistent players. In terms of guys
[30:07] Speaker 2: who had over eighty hundred carries, I believe my cutoff
[30:10] Speaker 2: was second in success rate. He's always in the top five.
[30:14] Speaker 2: And like rushing over expected, you just know what you
[30:17] Speaker 2: are getting. You aren't getting the explosive plays as much,
[30:20] Speaker 2: but the fact that they gave him that contract, the
[30:23] Speaker 2: fact that you know exactly where he's going, and it
[30:26] Speaker 2: is an esthetically pleasing game to me watching Kyron Williams run.
[30:31] Speaker 2: I can live without that. If it's good enough for
[30:33] Speaker 2: Sean McVay to give that contract too. He's good enough
[30:35] Speaker 2: for me at number ten.
[30:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I went through, as you said, the explosive coutup
[30:39] Speaker 3: reel this afternoon and it is absolutely outrageous. I never
[30:43] Speaker 3: gave him enough credit for the level of intellect, the
[30:47] Speaker 3: spatial awareness, the general vision. I think if you're just
[30:50] Speaker 3: putting together we live in a league of the duo
[30:52] Speaker 3: run now right, with the two big doubles coming inside,
[30:54] Speaker 3: you got to try and rip it out the back door.
[30:56] Speaker 3: That's the idea for the back you know what it's
[30:59] Speaker 3: it's the best play in the league traditionally with the
[31:01] Speaker 3: best runners of that stuff. It's James Cook. That's the
[31:03] Speaker 3: number one guy on the board. Karen Wililms might be
[31:05] Speaker 3: the second best guy. It was the staple run diet
[31:07] Speaker 3: now of the league. Just the way that the patience
[31:10] Speaker 3: and the fluidity, the degree of travel he has on
[31:14] Speaker 3: the cuts, it really is incredible. And then once he
[31:17] Speaker 3: gets the second level, the vision and the wiggle and
[31:20] Speaker 3: the burst. He is such an unbelievable back and I
[31:24] Speaker 3: just never gave him enough credit. In my head, he's
[31:26] Speaker 3: always reminded me of James White from the Patriots dynasty,
[31:30] Speaker 3: and he really gets after impassed protection. Barely ever makes
[31:33] Speaker 3: a mistake, even though the some kind of size mismatches,
[31:36] Speaker 3: and he's elusive and he can catch the ball, and
[31:38] Speaker 3: he's like a solid scheme fit. I just think you
[31:40] Speaker 3: could PLoP him in any offense in the league right
[31:43] Speaker 3: now and he would still have the same amount production.
[31:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of it. There's a couple of people
[31:48] Speaker 2: where I might be kicking myself. It's like a little
[31:50] Speaker 2: higher ceiling or different things I like about them, But
[31:54] Speaker 2: I'm a little like you if it was my team.
[31:57] Speaker 1: This is where I happened.
[31:58] Speaker 2: I mean, that is why I put him next on
[32:01] Speaker 2: the list, So I have to be true to that
[32:03] Speaker 2: in that he really has.
[32:05] Speaker 3: The He isn't as explosive as the great ones, but
[32:08] Speaker 3: he has all kind of the under the hood tools
[32:11] Speaker 3: of the great ones. And I think the thing that
[32:13] Speaker 3: stands out to me the most when you watch the
[32:15] Speaker 3: cutup of the runs is the understanding of the temp
[32:18] Speaker 3: of what he's trying to do. Is he just modulates
[32:21] Speaker 3: his tempo and then he makes guys with crazy rate.
[32:24] Speaker 3: He's always matching the blocking mechanics. It's the stuff that
[32:27] Speaker 3: is really really tricky when you get the great players
[32:29] Speaker 3: coming from Collagen too, the pro so one like Jeremiah Love.
[32:32] Speaker 3: It's such a mechanical game in the Pro, the run
[32:35] Speaker 3: schemes are so precise on when you're supposed to hit
[32:38] Speaker 3: certain spots in the line of scrimmage. His feel for
[32:41] Speaker 3: what they're doing is unreal.
[32:43] Speaker 2: So Alie mentioned, you know, the most funny he's had
[32:46] Speaker 2: was watching this this cut up of his explosives just
[32:49] Speaker 2: five or six minutes. He lovingly cut that down to
[32:53] Speaker 2: a few minutes. So this is our advertisement. This is
[32:56] Speaker 2: for NFL plus for NFL Pro that Ali made this
[33:01] Speaker 2: cut up from his NFL Pro and you can check
[33:04] Speaker 2: it out on YouTube with the vertical vision and just
[33:08] Speaker 2: the stiff arms and just the making people missing the
[33:10] Speaker 2: open field. Kyrien Williams. That's great stuff. We will take
[33:14] Speaker 2: a quick break. That is our top ten running backs.
[33:17] Speaker 2: Derrick Henry has not been drafted. Some other great runners
[33:21] Speaker 2: have been drafted. I'm very curious how the end of
[33:23] Speaker 2: this draft is going to go because it just feels
[33:25] Speaker 2: like a grab bag after the top twenty or twenty
[33:27] Speaker 2: two or so runners.
[33:29] Speaker 1: We'll be back in a few minutes. Back on NFL Daily.
[33:45] Speaker 2: Oli's in the comments last week and points out this
[33:48] Speaker 2: one on YouTube.
[33:48] Speaker 1: I like this. Someone wrote this was fun.
[33:52] Speaker 2: I don't really care about the rankings, but I enjoy
[33:55] Speaker 2: a brit and a mask just talking ball and.
[33:58] Speaker 1: Building up the best pass rush out there. Fun stuff.
[34:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what I love about this NFL Daily
[34:03] Speaker 2: thirty two series. It gives us, you know, a chance
[34:07] Speaker 2: to just talk for two minutes about I don't know,
[34:11] Speaker 2: Chase Brown or someone that could be coming up soon
[34:14] Speaker 2: in these rankings. Whoever it might be, might might have
[34:17] Speaker 2: given away my board a little bit.
[34:19] Speaker 3: You may have given away. Ever, so it's like I'm
[34:21] Speaker 3: going to take Derek Henry off the board. I'm not
[34:23] Speaker 3: going to allow the disrespect to continue. I understand that
[34:27] Speaker 3: if you look through some of the advanced metrics, there
[34:29] Speaker 3: is a drop to kind of career low levels with
[34:32] Speaker 3: some of the things where he's always been the master,
[34:34] Speaker 3: and whether it's the mistackle misforced tackles at the second level,
[34:38] Speaker 3: which is really where he does his devastating work, it's
[34:41] Speaker 3: still they're still outrageous figures compared to the rest of
[34:45] Speaker 3: the league. It's oh, he fell from being a first
[34:47] Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Fame at the being, I don't know
[34:49] Speaker 3: a second go around Hall of Fame type productive player.
[34:52] Speaker 3: So I still believe in Derek Henry. At some point
[34:54] Speaker 3: the decline will come. I'm never going to allow myself
[34:56] Speaker 3: to live in a world where I pre project the
[34:59] Speaker 3: Derek Henry de Cloud.
[35:00] Speaker 1: I still want to view football that way.
[35:02] Speaker 2: Well, I have been living in that world, and it's
[35:05] Speaker 2: been a horrible world. I've been wrong. It's outrageous. This
[35:08] Speaker 2: man is thirty two years old. Remember when people were saying,
[35:13] Speaker 2: who's gonna be the next running back to make the
[35:15] Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.
[35:15] Speaker 1: There's gonna be no one in this generation.
[35:18] Speaker 2: I mean, this guy has got over fifteen hundred yards
[35:21] Speaker 2: five times, including last season. And you mentioned, you know,
[35:25] Speaker 2: some of the advanced metrics fair enough, like he's not
[35:27] Speaker 2: a guy who's like ranking high in the mistackle rates
[35:31] Speaker 2: or anything, but he's still finished last year fourth in
[35:35] Speaker 2: mistackles force yards like yardage after forcing miss tackle because
[35:38] Speaker 2: when he does break a tackle, he still goes for
[35:41] Speaker 2: a long one. And he was really hurt by Lamar
[35:45] Speaker 2: Jackson not being out there the numbers when he was
[35:49] Speaker 2: back in the lineup late in the season with Lamar
[35:51] Speaker 2: Jackson were back to peak. Derek Henry so a little
[35:53] Speaker 2: like Saquon. He warmed up late, and honestly, I'm I'm
[35:57] Speaker 2: regretting how Lady went in this draft.
[35:58] Speaker 3: Already in the last season, Lamar in the lineup, lamar
[36:03] Speaker 3: out the lineup that he's not quite as slipper as
[36:05] Speaker 3: he was a couple of years ago. The long speed
[36:07] Speaker 3: isn't quite the same, but he's still just as tough
[36:09] Speaker 3: to tackle as.
[36:09] Speaker 1: Any in the league.
[36:10] Speaker 3: And that is the name of running the bull. Can
[36:12] Speaker 3: you get the guy on the ground all not? And
[36:13] Speaker 3: still I just think that that's not going through a road.
[36:16] Speaker 3: I don't think in such a short space of time.
[36:18] Speaker 2: So you know, he's not helping on passing downs or else.
[36:21] Speaker 2: If we're just if we made this a like who'd
[36:26] Speaker 2: you just need for one carry? Or who do you
[36:28] Speaker 2: just need on a first and ten run like that's
[36:31] Speaker 2: Derreck Henry would be ranking higher. Almost all the runners
[36:35] Speaker 2: that we're picking are versatile every down guys, and Henry
[36:38] Speaker 2: never really improved or has been used. Also, he's not
[36:42] Speaker 2: a like great player on Madden f almost a lot.
[36:44] Speaker 2: You know, it's a little bit of a factor. It's
[36:47] Speaker 2: partly the passing down thing. But he's like not great
[36:48] Speaker 2: on Madden. I'd dig him a little for that, all right,
[36:50] Speaker 2: I will go Chase Brown next. I talked him up
[36:54] Speaker 2: as one of the more underrated players in the league.
[36:57] Speaker 2: I mean, he's not that for fantasy, but I think
[36:59] Speaker 2: just in terms of a a complete back, almost in
[37:02] Speaker 2: the same category of Kyra and Williams in a different
[37:05] Speaker 2: way to me. But I like the way that he
[37:07] Speaker 2: uses tempo. I like the consistency. I like that he's
[37:11] Speaker 2: steadily improved each and every season. I think this is
[37:13] Speaker 2: the absolute right year to have Chase Brown. You are
[37:16] Speaker 2: a right smack like in his absolute peak of his
[37:20] Speaker 2: powers mentally, like down the stretch. He's fifth in the
[37:22] Speaker 2: league in yards from scrimmage. I think he's shown that
[37:23] Speaker 2: he can handle a bigger workload. Like he's not Dereck Henry,
[37:29] Speaker 2: but he's a pretty good inside runner. And so Chase
[37:31] Speaker 2: Brown to me is just an all around complete back.
[37:34] Speaker 2: Could he have a James Cook, you know, twenty twenty
[37:37] Speaker 2: five type season in him. I think it's possible, and
[37:40] Speaker 2: so Chase Brown is my pick at number twelve.
[37:42] Speaker 3: I love that pick. I'm frustrated that you took him
[37:45] Speaker 3: before me. One thing I do love about Chase Brown
[37:47] Speaker 3: if you just watch the stents, he has the very
[37:50] Speaker 3: similar stense to Askton Gent. Yeah, it is the most
[37:53] Speaker 3: nonchalant pre snap setup in ol of football. I mean,
[37:56] Speaker 3: Ashton genty, you get it. This is one of the
[37:57] Speaker 3: greatest running backs in the history college football. He's drafted
[38:00] Speaker 3: high in the first round. Chase Bran's like he's out there.
[38:03] Speaker 3: He thinks he's on that level. I admire that about
[38:05] Speaker 3: that guy. And there are just no knocks. If you said, Okay,
[38:08] Speaker 3: what's the demerit, it's really hard to find with Chase Browann.
[38:11] Speaker 3: I think the only major concern I think is in
[38:13] Speaker 3: pass pro, and they take him off the field pretty
[38:16] Speaker 3: consistently when he is on the field and he brings
[38:18] Speaker 3: you the receiving threats, so you got to have some
[38:20] Speaker 3: pass pro chops to be able to stay on there
[38:22] Speaker 3: as the receiving threat.
[38:23] Speaker 1: It's pretty putrid.
[38:25] Speaker 3: Although Pran was also pretty brutal last season, so that
[38:29] Speaker 3: I think still needs work, and I think he's willing.
[38:31] Speaker 3: It's just the eyes and the vision and where he's
[38:32] Speaker 3: supposed to be is just all over the place. But
[38:35] Speaker 3: as a runner, I think he plays with the perfect
[38:38] Speaker 3: blend of decisiveness and patience. And that's just the thing.
[38:40] Speaker 3: I'm always looking forward. You're tip too far one way,
[38:43] Speaker 3: you start either out running or underrunning the mechanics, and
[38:47] Speaker 3: then when you see it, can you rip it? And
[38:48] Speaker 3: I think he's just he's just got the knack for
[38:50] Speaker 3: what the balance should look like.
[38:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting you say that about like identifying
[38:54] Speaker 2: the blitzers because one of the things, and I did
[38:57] Speaker 2: go back, we could spend all week of our lives
[39:01] Speaker 2: like prep prepping for this show, and I do prep
[39:03] Speaker 2: a lot. I wish I could watch more tape of everyone,
[39:05] Speaker 2: but I did watch a decent amount of Chase Brown,
[39:08] Speaker 2: and I thought he was really good identifying like where
[39:11] Speaker 2: on run plays, where the pressure was gonna come from,
[39:14] Speaker 2: like what the defense was gonna do, and how to
[39:17] Speaker 2: adapt to it. And he's got some great spin moves.
[39:20] Speaker 2: Just a really smart, fun player. I think could have
[39:23] Speaker 2: his best season coming up. Who do you got for
[39:25] Speaker 2: number thirteen?
[39:26] Speaker 3: Oh, it's a loaded board here, trying to figure out
[39:30] Speaker 3: do I want to take that player or now I'll
[39:32] Speaker 3: take brace hole. I think the short area of quickness
[39:35] Speaker 3: and vision, he's a really slick runner, and he's got
[39:38] Speaker 3: I think, great second effort runs, which he is required
[39:41] Speaker 3: to do an awful lot great strength for a guy
[39:43] Speaker 3: who is not built like Derrek Hemry. I think his
[39:46] Speaker 3: feel for again of navigating through traffic is one that
[39:49] Speaker 3: the higher in the league that he doesn't I don't
[39:51] Speaker 3: think have the same sudden burst when the ball is
[39:54] Speaker 3: shoot into the gut. He doesn't quite rip off the
[39:56] Speaker 3: ball the same way that some of the really elite
[39:59] Speaker 3: backs do. He glides through the line of scrimmage. And
[40:01] Speaker 3: we've talked about this before. We has always used to
[40:03] Speaker 3: say something that I always come back to, which is
[40:05] Speaker 3: the guys who kind of climb through the line with
[40:07] Speaker 3: a cut, but they're still gathering speed as they go,
[40:10] Speaker 3: they just play quicker than they would ever time, or
[40:13] Speaker 3: then they look like when they initially get the ball.
[40:14] Speaker 3: And he, to me is that kind of really breezy
[40:16] Speaker 3: wide zone cut runner where we dropped him on the
[40:19] Speaker 3: Broncos with Alex Gibbs back in the day, he'd probably
[40:21] Speaker 3: set the all time rushing record.
[40:23] Speaker 1: Not is I love those style of rushes.
[40:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, He's always left me a little unmoved. Why is that?
[40:29] Speaker 2: What is my shortcoming that I'm missing on Brisow. I
[40:32] Speaker 2: had him ranked right around here. It's not different, but
[40:35] Speaker 2: it just it hasn't given me the tingleys as you would.
[40:37] Speaker 3: Probably yeah, probably the top end speed eight. He doesn't
[40:40] Speaker 3: have like the jolting cuts. I think it is really
[40:43] Speaker 3: more of a smoothness thing. But even when you watch
[40:45] Speaker 3: against the Browns, he made four defenders four defenders on
[40:48] Speaker 3: one player. By the way Jets offense twenty twenty five,
[40:51] Speaker 3: that's how it went down twice in one game, four
[40:53] Speaker 3: defenders had a shot on bres Howling made a mess
[40:56] Speaker 3: with one move. So he really can make guys misses,
[40:58] Speaker 3: just I don't think quite a and as spicy as
[41:01] Speaker 3: some of the more explosive backs in the league.
[41:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, he ranks like very high for next gen on
[41:07] Speaker 2: rush yards over expected, but not as high and like
[41:09] Speaker 2: forcing miss tackles. It might be the way they're measuring
[41:11] Speaker 2: it to in terms of not being as obvious. But yeah,
[41:14] Speaker 2: he's been in tough situations, as he's alluded to, and
[41:17] Speaker 2: the juice was definitely back for him last year.
[41:18] Speaker 1: That's one thing.
[41:19] Speaker 2: Like when Breese Hall has the juice, it's it's obvious.
[41:23] Speaker 2: I'm going to Mari and Hampton next, I'm betting on
[41:27] Speaker 2: the improvement. Ali's eyebrows go up, but I feel good
[41:31] Speaker 2: about it. He's it's got to improve a little bit
[41:33] Speaker 2: on inside runs, which is, you know, not what you
[41:36] Speaker 2: would expect out of such a big guy. But the
[41:39] Speaker 2: combination Ali of running someone over and running for a
[41:45] Speaker 2: fifty yard play, like that's not always my type. And
[41:49] Speaker 2: yet I just feel like, if anyone can have that
[41:52] Speaker 2: sort of profile, Derrick Henry Light, I think he could
[41:56] Speaker 2: do it. The numbers were incredible. I mean he got
[41:59] Speaker 2: hit in the back field a ton. He was in
[42:01] Speaker 2: the top five in terms of getting him in the backfield.
[42:03] Speaker 2: And yet he had a ton of explosives, had a
[42:06] Speaker 2: high success rate, like his EPA was very high for
[42:09] Speaker 2: running back, like made people miss, and so when he
[42:12] Speaker 2: was out there, he was really dynamic. That the problem
[42:16] Speaker 2: is the injuries, and you know, in the open field,
[42:19] Speaker 2: he's not a guy that's got to have a lot
[42:21] Speaker 2: of wiggle, But I don't think he needs it with
[42:23] Speaker 2: everything else he has.
[42:25] Speaker 3: He is supremely talented. I loved him coming out of college.
[42:29] Speaker 3: I was not in love with the rookie tape, and
[42:33] Speaker 3: that's stripping away the environment. I understand the charge offensive
[42:36] Speaker 3: Linstin's a little bit of a prehistoric run game offense,
[42:39] Speaker 3: and I'll buy into Tyler Biadish and a new fund
[42:42] Speaker 3: might McDaniel system can unlock all the potential. But even
[42:45] Speaker 3: if you just go through all the run stuffs, it's
[42:47] Speaker 3: not just Hey, the charge is getting molded up front.
[42:49] Speaker 3: The guy has no chance. He makes a lot of
[42:51] Speaker 3: bad decisions and he constantly drops his eyes before he
[42:54] Speaker 3: even gets the line of scrimmage. So to me, when
[42:57] Speaker 3: I went through the early post of the season, he
[42:58] Speaker 3: looked way more explosive than he did throughout the season.
[43:02] Speaker 1: He didn't look quite.
[43:03] Speaker 3: As explosive, as kind of a size speed weight type
[43:06] Speaker 3: player as he did in college. And then he was
[43:08] Speaker 3: playing I thought a little bit timid. Now that could
[43:11] Speaker 3: just be uncomfortability with the offense. That could be Hey,
[43:13] Speaker 3: the guys in front of me stink and I'm getting
[43:15] Speaker 3: pasted every single time.
[43:16] Speaker 1: Might carry the ball. This isn't fun.
[43:17] Speaker 3: I can't wait till next season. We might make Daniel
[43:19] Speaker 3: and taller be out it show up and my tackles
[43:21] Speaker 3: a bag. I'll give it a full go then. But
[43:23] Speaker 3: I was left feeling pretty hollow, particularly going back through
[43:26] Speaker 3: the film and digging through trying to decipher who's to
[43:29] Speaker 3: blame for which failed rep. I just had it log
[43:32] Speaker 3: down as Omar and Hampton way more than I thought
[43:35] Speaker 3: when I was kind of watching rolling through the season.
[43:38] Speaker 2: Well, it's good to hear you. You liked him coming
[43:40] Speaker 2: out of college. I do think, you know, maybe that's
[43:43] Speaker 2: a rookie thing. I know, great running backs adapt quickly.
[43:47] Speaker 2: But he's landing now in what should be a pretty
[43:51] Speaker 2: ideal situation.
[43:52] Speaker 1: We're not.
[43:52] Speaker 2: We're not drafting for the Mike McDaniel situation. But yeah,
[43:56] Speaker 2: I hope some of those things. Also, the flashes were there,
[43:59] Speaker 2: Like the Grant is absolutely I'm cherry picking a little
[44:03] Speaker 2: bit because it's like literally just the first month of
[44:04] Speaker 2: the season, but that was enough that I was just like, oh, okay,
[44:08] Speaker 2: I'm not letting.
[44:08] Speaker 1: Him fall too far.
[44:09] Speaker 3: I'll say this too. He has won the single best
[44:12] Speaker 3: reps of the season in pass Pro. He stands one
[44:15] Speaker 3: on one against Zach Allen, who has about seventy pounds
[44:17] Speaker 3: on him, and he doesn't just hold up. He drills
[44:20] Speaker 3: Zach Allen to the floor. So the rest of it
[44:23] Speaker 3: complete nightmare. Fuel had no idea what was going on.
[44:26] Speaker 3: But that is all you really need to see in
[44:27] Speaker 3: the rookie like, well, he stand up against the guy siventy,
[44:29] Speaker 3: bounced everything. One of the old pros in the NFL
[44:31] Speaker 3: defensive tackle will take him out in the facetam, we'll
[44:34] Speaker 3: do that.
[44:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[44:35] Speaker 2: I do worry about him, him seeking out contact, him
[44:38] Speaker 2: taking huge hits that I think was a problem even
[44:41] Speaker 2: in his running stat like not everyone can be Derrick
[44:44] Speaker 2: Henry and so is he gonna have to find a
[44:47] Speaker 2: way to avoid some of those monster collisions. Not really,
[44:51] Speaker 2: you can't do that as a big running back. All right,
[44:52] Speaker 2: you're up with number fifteen.
[44:54] Speaker 3: I'm going to take Ashton Gent. I'm actually surprised that
[44:57] Speaker 3: he's still on the bollt here. I thought I'd be
[44:58] Speaker 3: way lower on him. Then you would be another rookie way.
[45:04] Speaker 3: It just felt like he was really slow to process everything.
[45:07] Speaker 3: Now obviously he didn't have any time at all to
[45:09] Speaker 3: be able to proces anything. He was hitting the backfield
[45:11] Speaker 3: an astronomical rate led the league and stuff rate. I
[45:15] Speaker 3: do think the development as a receiver is the key
[45:18] Speaker 3: thing with him. The numbers ballooned later in the year
[45:20] Speaker 3: with him as a receiver, and I think there's so
[45:23] Speaker 3: much more potential in there as a pass catcher than
[45:26] Speaker 3: was even on display when they were trying to get
[45:28] Speaker 3: him rolling late last season. If you go through just
[45:30] Speaker 3: some of the figures, seventy two percent of his targets
[45:33] Speaker 3: or just routes run were you've a flat route, so
[45:36] Speaker 3: just leaking out to the flat or some kind of screen,
[45:40] Speaker 3: and the screen tape is like Madden twelve half back
[45:44] Speaker 3: slip screen. It's the most mundane, unimaginative style of let's
[45:47] Speaker 3: get the ball to our best player possible. And if
[45:50] Speaker 3: you go through all the really high level backs we've
[45:53] Speaker 3: already drafted that, it's just a chasm of difference between
[45:56] Speaker 3: that being kind of the route distribution that's more in
[45:59] Speaker 3: the mold of someone like Zach Shalbine of that type
[46:03] Speaker 3: of play. Then it is the really great backs you
[46:05] Speaker 3: can move all around the formation, and I think he's
[46:07] Speaker 3: got that potentially as a receiver. If you go back
[46:09] Speaker 3: to Boise State, he didn't do any of that stuff
[46:12] Speaker 3: in the final year, the huge season, but the year
[46:14] Speaker 3: before he was a really dynamic receiving threat, and so
[46:17] Speaker 3: I think that is where we could maybe see him own. Look,
[46:20] Speaker 3: what is the very obvious size, speed potential.
[46:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe I'm being unfair to him.
[46:26] Speaker 2: It's an expectations thing that the expectations were so high,
[46:29] Speaker 2: and I was sort of on the corner that, yes,
[46:33] Speaker 2: he was hitting the backfield like an outrageous amount the
[46:36] Speaker 2: first six seven weeks of the season especially, And yeah,
[46:40] Speaker 2: it was a terrible situation obviously, But I was always
[46:44] Speaker 2: in the camp of like, yeah, but I feel like
[46:47] Speaker 2: I would see it a little more from genty and
[46:50] Speaker 2: I just didn't see it as much as you know, Look,
[46:53] Speaker 2: I just took Hampton, and I might regret that ahead
[46:56] Speaker 2: of him, but I felt like I saw it more
[46:59] Speaker 2: with Hampton in the brief time that he was out
[47:01] Speaker 2: there healthy.
[47:02] Speaker 1: I would agree with that.
[47:03] Speaker 3: I've also been on the corner that it's just really
[47:06] Speaker 3: easy to say everything else was a disaster. It's nothing
[47:08] Speaker 3: to do with him. If you just go through play
[47:10] Speaker 3: by play, there are plenty of why the stop star
[47:12] Speaker 3: Quicks just on an NFL speed. I mean, you can
[47:14] Speaker 3: go through the dat and see that he is ranking
[47:16] Speaker 3: really low, and what in just time to arrive to
[47:19] Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, what's happening further down the field
[47:22] Speaker 3: when he does break through that it isn't at that level.
[47:24] Speaker 3: He was the guy thought who if anyone could replicate
[47:26] Speaker 3: the output of Derek Hemry a kind of different body type,
[47:29] Speaker 3: it will be Ashton genty. And something I've learned from
[47:31] Speaker 3: going through the gent experience is you will go broke
[47:34] Speaker 3: chasing the next Derek Emray. This is never gonna happen again.
[47:36] Speaker 3: It's a wanted a career situation. Be gratefully, you got
[47:38] Speaker 3: to cover the guy. It's it's just not gonna happen again.
[47:41] Speaker 1: And look, he got better late in the season.
[47:43] Speaker 2: If if you want to feel good about gend go
[47:45] Speaker 2: watch the Texans tape where he had that big catch,
[47:48] Speaker 2: But he also was very consistent as a runner against
[47:51] Speaker 2: one of the best, if not the best defenses in
[47:53] Speaker 2: the league. It did get better late, but I think
[47:56] Speaker 2: this is about where he deserved to go. I don't
[47:57] Speaker 2: I don't feel bad about that. We're gonna We're gonna
[48:00] Speaker 2: stay with the twenty twenty five rookies and I'm gonna
[48:03] Speaker 2: go Travon Henderson next. Not exactly like my favorite style.
[48:08] Speaker 2: Like I said, I liked the kyroen. I liked the consistency,
[48:11] Speaker 2: and he was the ultimate boom or bust player last year,
[48:16] Speaker 2: Travon Henderson. But one thing I like, which absolutely showed
[48:20] Speaker 2: up in the stats was he was outstanding inside the tackles.
[48:23] Speaker 1: I mean, he just was.
[48:26] Speaker 2: A great power runner and like when he made you miss,
[48:31] Speaker 2: he made a count. There was that stat that I
[48:33] Speaker 2: had in terms of like average yardage when you do
[48:36] Speaker 2: make someone miss, in terms of a misstackle like Trayvon
[48:38] Speaker 2: Henderson was top five in the NFL. So that explosiveness
[48:42] Speaker 2: is incredible. I think he just runs hard, which is
[48:45] Speaker 2: something you can't exactly teach. And I like in terms
[48:49] Speaker 2: of taking him here that what was supposed to be
[48:52] Speaker 2: one of his biggest strength, which was in past protection,
[48:54] Speaker 2: which he looked great in college, was a big negative
[48:57] Speaker 2: last year and he seemed to be swimming mentally. You
[48:59] Speaker 2: would think, think that's gonna be something that really improves
[49:02] Speaker 2: and then he becomes more of a complete back.
[49:05] Speaker 3: I really hope so. And it's one of the most
[49:07] Speaker 3: fun college players in the last decade to study all
[49:10] Speaker 3: three facets of the game, running, receiving, and protecting. I
[49:14] Speaker 3: just thought he was pretty frazzle for much of last season.
[49:17] Speaker 3: So he's getting by on the between the tackles stiff
[49:19] Speaker 3: for the famous spill out run against the Books where
[49:22] Speaker 3: he kind of hits the line, spins out, there's no
[49:24] Speaker 3: where he is, then goes down the field and has
[49:26] Speaker 3: to look to the silent and no one to slide
[49:28] Speaker 3: down or not. It all felt really indecisive, like everything
[49:31] Speaker 3: was happening too quickly for him. And yeah, he's still
[49:33] Speaker 3: just quicker than everyone on the field. So if you
[49:35] Speaker 3: can get a crease, if you can find some kind
[49:37] Speaker 3: of angle, he can really make it count. I do
[49:39] Speaker 3: hope things slowed down for him in the second season.
[49:41] Speaker 3: If he can earn the trust to survive on passing downs,
[49:44] Speaker 3: which I think is still an open question, then this
[49:47] Speaker 3: will be a pretty big bogain I think in.
[49:49] Speaker 2: This Yeah, he's a.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Boomer bus guy.
[49:52] Speaker 2: Like, look, if it we're projecting a little bit, if
[49:57] Speaker 2: we were talking about last season, I would be like
[49:59] Speaker 2: the Paige.
[50:00] Speaker 1: I would like by the end of the season, like
[50:03] Speaker 1: it was.
[50:03] Speaker 2: All Remandre when when it really mattered, and there's other
[50:06] Speaker 2: veteran backs that were about to take that. I think
[50:08] Speaker 2: we're more trustworthy than Henderson was last season. And yet,
[50:12] Speaker 2: like I said, we're projecting a little forward and I
[50:15] Speaker 2: like him here all right, Who do you.
[50:16] Speaker 3: Got, I'm going to take Travis Hn from the Saints.
[50:20] Speaker 3: Some of the most ridiculous cuts and stop star speed
[50:24] Speaker 3: in the league forces a crazy amount of mistackles. I
[50:29] Speaker 3: think they just look at the Saints and I know
[50:31] Speaker 3: it's kind of separating the player out, but they need
[50:33] Speaker 3: to dramatically rework their red zone offense.
[50:35] Speaker 1: In general.
[50:36] Speaker 3: The best way to be, I think, is to get
[50:37] Speaker 3: a guy with unbelievable stop star quicks who can make
[50:40] Speaker 3: some more miss even when you blow the play up
[50:42] Speaker 3: by design. Just a player I really am. I'm slightly
[50:45] Speaker 3: worried about the projection of being stripped out of the
[50:47] Speaker 3: Liam Cohen offense because he is a little bit boom bust.
[50:50] Speaker 3: He is I think, more of a one track runner
[50:52] Speaker 3: than a read it out and then plant and fire,
[50:55] Speaker 3: which is what his kind of skills suggests he would be.
[50:58] Speaker 3: Is like a read it, read it, read and then explode.
[51:01] Speaker 3: I think he's just bet upon a straight line. So
[51:04] Speaker 3: I'm a little bit unsure about that with the Saints particularly,
[51:08] Speaker 3: but he has all the juice in the wold, and
[51:10] Speaker 3: so at this state of the draft, I think it's
[51:12] Speaker 3: pretty good value.
[51:13] Speaker 2: And his numbers have been remarkably consistent. In three of
[51:16] Speaker 2: his four seasons, he has at least thirteen hundred and
[51:19] Speaker 2: ninety nine yards. He couldn't get one more yard last year,
[51:22] Speaker 2: so I could have just said an even fourteen hundred.
[51:26] Speaker 2: And I think he's become more complete and being able
[51:28] Speaker 2: to handle like the inside runs and everything, and that
[51:31] Speaker 2: I do think he is a better player than he was.
[51:34] Speaker 1: Excuse me, as a rookie.
[51:36] Speaker 2: Something bothers me a little bit about him that Liam
[51:39] Speaker 2: Cohn maybe didn't like love him.
[51:41] Speaker 1: I don't know. There was always this vibe that Liam
[51:43] Speaker 1: Cohn didn't love him. Why do you think that was.
[51:46] Speaker 3: It's just got to be trustworthiness that you just don't
[51:49] Speaker 3: always know what you're getting. That you're such a creature
[51:53] Speaker 3: and you'll hope till you know three in the morning,
[51:55] Speaker 3: and you're not going to the kids down recitals. And
[51:57] Speaker 3: the point is to hit it through the bee gap
[51:58] Speaker 3: at this tempo and the guys do his own thing.
[52:01] Speaker 3: I'm always more cool with the autist, particularly that position.
[52:03] Speaker 1: I'm good with it.
[52:03] Speaker 3: It's like we hit to chase home run shots. I
[52:06] Speaker 3: don't really care about the full yachts. So someone like
[52:08] Speaker 3: Travis hm Well, I think will always appeal to be
[52:10] Speaker 3: more than guys who's like livelihoods around the line.
[52:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that could be like a very
[52:14] Speaker 2: high ceiling Saints offensive line if they can stay healthy
[52:17] Speaker 2: in a good running game.
[52:18] Speaker 1: So it could be a good situation. Again, they got
[52:20] Speaker 1: to stay healthy.
[52:21] Speaker 2: It is now time for the offseason ride along presented
[52:24] Speaker 2: by Toyota, and I'm picking between two guys who I
[52:27] Speaker 2: wanted to push up the board of two of my favorites,
[52:32] Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna do it. If you look at
[52:34] Speaker 2: Rimandre Stevenson's profile like last season, and granted his career
[52:39] Speaker 2: has been up up and down, I mean especially his receiving,
[52:44] Speaker 2: but in general, his like under the hood statistical profile
[52:48] Speaker 2: would tell you like he's a top ten runner. He
[52:50] Speaker 2: is top ten in rush yards over expected, he's top
[52:53] Speaker 2: ten and receiving yards over expected. He led the NFL
[52:55] Speaker 2: among running backs in EPA per target. Now, there are
[52:58] Speaker 2: a couple of like big plays in there, but even
[53:00] Speaker 2: if you strip that out, it's pretty high. He also
[53:03] Speaker 2: had like the deepest yards per target of any running
[53:06] Speaker 2: back and still had the highest catch percentage. And so
[53:09] Speaker 2: you put that all into the mix, and I just
[53:11] Speaker 2: think he has a remarkably reliable pair of hands and
[53:14] Speaker 2: was a great just bailout moment for Drake May during
[53:18] Speaker 2: big plays and look he makes people missed there. There
[53:23] Speaker 2: aren't a ton of explosives or like jaw dropping, you know,
[53:27] Speaker 2: mistackles force plays. But when he's not fumbling the ball,
[53:32] Speaker 2: there's a reason they gave him that money. The problem
[53:35] Speaker 2: is it's been a little bit of an every other
[53:36] Speaker 2: year thing for Remondre, and yet I'm still betting on
[53:39] Speaker 2: that just twenty twenty five, Ormandri is going to return
[53:42] Speaker 2: for me.
[53:43] Speaker 3: And he can be prone to the fumbleis I think,
[53:45] Speaker 3: which is where the up and down yeas come. Is
[53:47] Speaker 3: he fulmost too much they throw him off the field.
[53:49] Speaker 3: But when he's on the field, I could agree with you. Well,
[53:51] Speaker 3: he has one of the most fun running styles I
[53:53] Speaker 3: think in the league. He's a a real like rumble
[53:55] Speaker 3: the way Henry is, where you just kind of can't
[53:57] Speaker 3: quite tell how quick he's going. He climbs to the
[53:59] Speaker 3: line is one stiff arm and then guys just bouncing
[54:02] Speaker 3: off him. And then for some one of that style which
[54:05] Speaker 3: like a between the tackles, powerful runner with some breakaway speed.
[54:09] Speaker 3: I think when he's on the perimeter to be one
[54:11] Speaker 3: of the best vertical threat running backs in the league.
[54:15] Speaker 3: Even just the figures are ahead of guys like Bijon,
[54:18] Speaker 3: like Jimmy Gibbs, the guys who are really electric. It
[54:20] Speaker 3: almost doesn't make much sense. But the wheel route stuff,
[54:23] Speaker 3: the seam route stuff. I mean, he is a remarkable
[54:25] Speaker 3: route runner, which I just don't think you would expect
[54:27] Speaker 3: in the profile. And part of why they drafted Henderson
[54:30] Speaker 3: was like, we want to get more juice in the
[54:31] Speaker 3: passing game out of the backfield, and they found it
[54:33] Speaker 3: more so in Stevenson.
[54:35] Speaker 2: So you say you're gonna go broke chasing the next
[54:37] Speaker 2: Derek Henry. I think you know, since he retired, all
[54:40] Speaker 2: I've been doing is just looking for the next Frank Gore.
[54:43] Speaker 2: That's my platonic ideal of a running back and Ramandri
[54:47] Speaker 2: is not that. But he is a great weapon in
[54:52] Speaker 2: the receiving game. He is a complete guy who can
[54:55] Speaker 2: turn a two into a four I think pretty reliably
[54:58] Speaker 2: inside like a small area. He's a complete guy. He
[55:02] Speaker 2: is not Frank or but he's the closest maybe I
[55:05] Speaker 2: can get at this.
[55:05] Speaker 1: Point in the draft.
[55:06] Speaker 2: So I love him, And that was the off season
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[55:19] Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to take Javonte Williams from The Cowboys.
[55:23] Speaker 3: I love a rugged powerback. He is not dynamic. He's
[55:26] Speaker 3: a between the tackles. Thumbert and guys I think just
[55:29] Speaker 3: bounce off him and the legs keep churning. And there
[55:32] Speaker 3: are some I think explosive runs last season where you
[55:36] Speaker 3: do see him get to a second or third gear,
[55:38] Speaker 3: but he is in there. I think to just thump
[55:39] Speaker 3: it between the between the tackles. And I was really
[55:42] Speaker 3: impressed going back through his film and the past pro
[55:44] Speaker 3: stuff and is not easy stuff. It's a pretty sophisticated,
[55:48] Speaker 3: like maximalist pass pro scheme. They have everything available to
[55:51] Speaker 3: them at all times. Dak changes it constantly. It's just
[55:54] Speaker 3: a lot to try and sort through. And there are
[55:57] Speaker 3: a few guys who I mentioned before with Hampton stand
[56:00] Speaker 3: in the A gap and we kind of bust the
[56:01] Speaker 3: protections a defensive tackle on the back.
[56:04] Speaker 1: It's just not the way it's drawing up.
[56:05] Speaker 3: That happened to the Cowboys A bunch less season because
[56:07] Speaker 3: they were changing the line so much, they had so
[56:09] Speaker 3: much pre snapped communication, and the guy left the stand
[56:12] Speaker 3: up against these big bus was Javonte Williams, and no
[56:14] Speaker 3: one stoned those guys to the same degree he did.
[56:18] Speaker 2: Blind spot in my evaluation is the pass pro. You know,
[56:22] Speaker 2: I have a general feel who's good, who's bad this
[56:25] Speaker 2: or that. Ali's like I feel like a running back
[56:29] Speaker 2: pass protection maven obsessed. It's almost all you care about,
[56:33] Speaker 2: and so no that it's great context of like why
[56:37] Speaker 2: some of these guys would be higher. Next Gen has
[56:39] Speaker 2: a crazy stat which I had I wish I had
[56:41] Speaker 2: written down a little more in depth, but it's essentially
[56:44] Speaker 2: a way to measure efficiency, and Javonte Williams ranked number
[56:50] Speaker 2: one in the way that he ran for the fewest
[56:55] Speaker 2: yards to get the most amount of yards. So basically
[56:59] Speaker 2: like you were about as a straight ahead runner, and
[57:01] Speaker 2: I think these were on inside runs that like there
[57:04] Speaker 2: was the least amount of extra movement of like the
[57:08] Speaker 2: total amount of yards that he traveled on the football field,
[57:13] Speaker 2: it was that he had the highest percentage of actual yards.
[57:16] Speaker 3: That there's no shooting out the back dooral wiggling. It
[57:19] Speaker 3: is a straight direct line, throw you a head onto
[57:21] Speaker 3: the goalpost. If someone gets your way, you run through them.
[57:24] Speaker 3: There are a bunch of big runs which is just
[57:25] Speaker 3: him running through m tackles. Then you guys just tried
[57:28] Speaker 3: to reach out to him. They trying to get off
[57:29] Speaker 3: a blog. He's just really really tough to bring down.
[57:31] Speaker 3: And yeah, he is a getting the ball in the backfield.
[57:34] Speaker 3: We run through the A and B gap and throw
[57:36] Speaker 3: your nose onto the wall the back of the end
[57:38] Speaker 3: zone there and he just takes it and doesn't.
[57:40] Speaker 1: It's why running back is such a great position.
[57:43] Speaker 2: I always think Aboutmani Jones talking about when when we
[57:46] Speaker 2: were at the running backs don't matter peak of like,
[57:49] Speaker 2: you're not going to tell me that running backs aren't cool.
[57:51] Speaker 2: It's the coolest thing about football. And it is like
[57:54] Speaker 2: they all express themselves in different ways, and even if
[57:57] Speaker 2: financially they were like, it's still cool and there's so
[58:01] Speaker 2: many different styles. You're going to Devonte Williams nineteen, I'm
[58:04] Speaker 2: going Jalen Warren twenty.
[58:06] Speaker 1: They could not be any more different.
[58:08] Speaker 2: There's so many different ways to be effective in the NFL.
[58:11] Speaker 1: Warren and Ramandre.
[58:12] Speaker 2: Were the two guys that I was like I'll probably
[58:14] Speaker 2: end up having them in this draft because they're just
[58:16] Speaker 2: two of my favorites in different ways. Warren, you know,
[58:20] Speaker 2: the numbers do back it up, like he led the
[58:22] Speaker 2: entire NFL in percentage of runs where he made someone miss,
[58:26] Speaker 2: like in terms of a misstackle just happened, and you
[58:28] Speaker 2: always wanted to see him at least I did with
[58:30] Speaker 2: more volume, and he got that last year and he
[58:33] Speaker 2: still was just as effective. He's very good in the
[58:36] Speaker 2: receiving game. He was third in receiving yards over expected.
[58:40] Speaker 2: He's what you know, you would you would call in
[58:41] Speaker 2: the NBA like he's a bucket. You know he's and
[58:44] Speaker 2: Forerdy Simons bring him off the bench and he's just
[58:46] Speaker 2: gonna get twenty points for you in like fifteen minutes.
[58:49] Speaker 2: Not always gonna be amazing, but he's a bucket. He's
[58:53] Speaker 2: was one of the only reliable book at Ghettos for
[58:55] Speaker 2: the Steeloss last year. They tried to build all the
[58:57] Speaker 2: plane out of him, Ruggers and out the smith did together.
[59:00] Speaker 2: I think it's a grittier runner than that style of
[59:03] Speaker 2: player traditionally is. I think he is willing to kind
[59:05] Speaker 2: of do some of the dirty work between the tackles.
[59:07] Speaker 2: He also has some of the best highlights of the
[59:09] Speaker 2: season where if you remember, he let the charges defender
[59:12] Speaker 2: in the open field, I can't remember exactly who that was,
[59:15] Speaker 2: and then spend the next five weeks trying to replicate
[59:18] Speaker 2: the highlight moment, and yet it doesn't quite get the
[59:20] Speaker 2: elevation you would expect to pull off the saquon and
[59:23] Speaker 2: just throws his nutsack into the chest of Tyrek Stevenson
[59:26] Speaker 2: DJ Turner. Week after week, it's like, we get a jail,
[59:28] Speaker 2: and you did it once.
[59:29] Speaker 3: It was cool. Let's put that on the shelf. Let's
[59:31] Speaker 3: get back to running the ball.
[59:33] Speaker 2: He absolutely runs like a guy who is thinking about
[59:37] Speaker 2: the film room session where he can just.
[59:38] Speaker 1: Be like, I see that.
[59:40] Speaker 3: I think in his head he's thinking about the podium
[59:42] Speaker 3: from NFL Films when he comes out to the Hall
[59:44] Speaker 3: of Fame, and it's all this leaping and spinning.
[59:47] Speaker 1: I love that love, I.
[59:49] Speaker 2: Love the confidence, and it really has worked. He's had
[59:52] Speaker 2: kind of an incredible career arc for where he was
[59:55] Speaker 2: drafted and just the way that they've used him. And yeah,
[59:57] Speaker 2: he's not I don't think he should be a guy
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: that has three hundred and fifty touches, but we're getting
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: into the part of the draft where it can be
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: guys who are sharing things, and especially his value on
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: passing downs. I'd loved him here, all right, let's take
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: one more break. It's funny we both had similar notes
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: about like how there's a little bit of a cliff
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: at some point, at least on my list. We haven't
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: gotten there quite yet, but we are close. I'm curious
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: who are the final twelve running backs in this film?
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily, wrapping up the week exactly how
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: i'd want to talking running backs, talking about like no
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: part time running backs, who can step up? We're up
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: to number twenty one on the list.
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: Ali, who do you got?
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Quinshaw and Judkins from the Browns. I
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: know that he's returning from a pretty bad injury. It's
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: the same injuries KM scataboo. I guess I just don't
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: think the metrics do justice to what his rookie season was.
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: I think we've spoken before about just the degree of
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: violence that he runs with you just don't normally see
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: out of rookie running backs. And if he was healthy,
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: would you have taken him over Marin Hampton or do
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: you just like the juicy upside with Hampton?
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: No, I think I would take Judkins. Yeah, I said
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: I had two more guys before. It just got to
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: a group of players that I like in different ways
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: but could almost go into every any order in Judkins
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: is one of those two and the ultimate like you
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: got to trust your eyes and not some of the numbers.
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: Guy last year was Judkins.
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: The numbers weren't terrible, but some of the next gen
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: stuff isn't isn't great, But just he looks special to me,
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: Like I would just just off what I saw, Like
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: I liked him better than Gent, I liked him better
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: than Trevon Henderson.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: I liked him better than.
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: Hampton and another player who's excellent in pass pro if
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: he can get onto the field to be on those
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: passing downs. So if he just played with a passive
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: offensive line, I think he would have had a completely
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: monstrous rookie season.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: Unfortunately he did not Yea.
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: And in the end he actually got hit behind the
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: line of scrimmage more than genty Like it was it
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: was that bad. Like as bad as the numbers were
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: for Gent, Juggins ended up passing him in terms of
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: just like a brutal condition, and I like that he's
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: out there at ota Is there's some optimism that he
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: could be ready for the start of the season. That
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: was a really serious injury, and yet we're just talking
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: about twenty twenty six and that knocked him down.
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: But I'm glad you provided that context.
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: All Right, my other guy in this tier before I
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: get to just kind of like the hey, why not,
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: Tony Pollard's just underrated. I can't let him be disrespected anymore.
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: He has twelve hundred and fifty between twelve hundred and
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: fifty and fourteen yards fourteen hundred yards from scrimmage for
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: four straight seasons. So he's been very consistent in terms
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: of the production. I think he in Tennessee has developed
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: into just the ultimate like professional. He runs so damn hard.
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: He is tougher than he was when he entered the league.
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: I want to give him credit for kind of building
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: that armor up. It is a brutal position, and I
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: think last year his inside running and there's a lot
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: like it was really good like and it wasn't always
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: the right like chance and you just you just knew
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: what you were getting. He's obviously a guy that can
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: make a big play and make people miss in the
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: receiving game, and he did some of that.
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: Maybe he's slowed down.
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: Like the slightest bit, but just a really good back
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: who who's been asked to do too much on a
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: terrible offense.
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: But I don't want to punish him too much for that.
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: And even if he has slowed down slightly, I think
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: he's become more scheme independent to make up for that.
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: So the the you know, it's the first time in
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: his career radio last season he's been a kind of
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: undecenter between the tackles thumper and played really really well,
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: and he kind of is the pivot mark of like
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: we think we could do slightly Beta, but it's kind
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: of a reach to try and do bets like do
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: we draft Jeremiah love They had that on the on
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: the table, potentially they could have moved up for Jeremiah Lovell, whatever,
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: but it's like, if you have Tony Poulch, you just
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: feel comfortable.
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: It's like we'll address that down the line.
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: We have Tony Pollard, and I think for this season
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: in particular, it's a really nice fit with Brian Dable.
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: I still do love Tony Polld as a run from
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: the gun guy, tons of vision to be able to
[1:04:11] Speaker 3: see what's going on, make someone missed the first level
[1:04:13] Speaker 3: and then rocket out of there. But he did prove
[1:04:15] Speaker 3: last year he can be I think, just a more
[1:04:17] Speaker 3: dependable between the tackles guy.
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: I just have guys with career arcs where they improve,
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: they change, And that's part of my affection for him
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: because if you had told me is his first year
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: or two that he kind of developed into this kind
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: of runner, and just just so many times watching their
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: games and just taking that out. Just man, he's tough
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: as hell and he was not that guy, and he
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: kind of became that guy throughout his career. So it
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: ended up being a good signing, one of the few
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: that the Titans have the agency over the last few years.
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: This is where the draft really starts getting interesting. To me,
[1:04:48] Speaker 2: who do you got at twenty three?
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: I'm going to take Booky you having I understand there's
[1:04:53] Speaker 3: the injuries, there's a shoulders, the foot, there's off season surgery.
[1:04:57] Speaker 3: When he played last season was not as productive, but
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: his year with Liam Cohen, he looked like one of
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: the most electric backs NOLA football and so I think
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: that player is still in there. Maybe it's just being
[1:05:08] Speaker 3: knocked out of him really quickly by I think there's
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: a potential for a bounce back to at least be
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: that kind of home run hitting threat. And on this list,
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: if you told me who would leap to like ten
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: and just reminded you, oh, it was a down year
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: and it was circumstances. The offense wasn't designed very well,
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: that was injury concerns. I think book you have will
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: be one of those guys.
[1:05:27] Speaker 2: Well, you said you like the artistic type runners. I
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: mean Bucky Irving's like he's Picasso out here. I mean
[1:05:34] Speaker 2: he is like all art, no like logic sometimes and
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: I think you can end up with some rough seasons,
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: maybe like last season, and that was partly an injury.
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: He is a smaller player, but there's no one quite
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: like Bucky Irvings.
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: So I get it. I get it. I'm struggling here.
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: Like there's the veteran guys so you know what you're getting,
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: and then there's the guys that make you feel something.
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: Baseial Tuton is that guy for me at twenty four.
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: I don't care. He's got the juice, he's got the juice.
[1:06:07] Speaker 2: His stats last year were crazy. I don't know what
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: actually I'm going to ask you what you think this
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: stat means because it's not reflected in Etchians numbers, But
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: running behind that Jaguars offensive line, Tuton had almost exclusively
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: had yards after contact. There was three hundred and one
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: of his three hundred and seven yards were after contact,
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: by far the.
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: Highest rate of anyone in the league.
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: He still had like a high success rate and like
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: made people miss a lot of missed tackles. I don't
[1:06:38] Speaker 2: know what that means about him, but to me, he
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: does pass that eye test, and I think he can
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: do a lot more.
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: I think the Jaguars thinks it too. I think he
[1:06:46] Speaker 1: can do a lot more.
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: If you pull up like the ten Bess runs the season,
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: it's the most like exciting moment you've been had in
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: your life.
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: I do think that he is really boom bust. He
[1:06:56] Speaker 3: outruns is the mechanics and like the blocking assignments is,
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: which is any young back.
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: In the league.
[1:07:01] Speaker 3: I think he really tries to be to invent it
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: for his own good and thinks he's playing on Saturdays.
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: Again.
[1:07:05] Speaker 3: He's by far the best athlete on the field. He's
[1:07:08] Speaker 3: a pretty damn good athlete, and he can get away
[1:07:10] Speaker 3: with it more than the most people can. Sa. I
[1:07:14] Speaker 3: go back and forth with him where I really do
[1:07:16] Speaker 3: see the sizzle, I see the flashes. Maybe I'll look
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: like a buffood in a couple of years where he's
[1:07:21] Speaker 3: one of the ten best guys in the league and
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: he's having like an.
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Eighth chan type output.
[1:07:25] Speaker 3: But the guys who overrun stuff, it's hard for them
[1:07:29] Speaker 3: to kind of tempo down.
[1:07:31] Speaker 2: Yes, and see in my mind I'm looking at him,
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: I'm just like he would rank really high in the
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: run hard rankings, which is a skill. I think running
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: hard is a skill. You kind of need that out
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: of a young running back, Like he better be running hard.
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: But he's really running hard. A lot of juice there.
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: So we'll see if this pick ends up ridiculous because
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: it went over some much more trustworthy veterans but decided
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: to take him off the board.
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: Who you got at twenty five?
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: Well, but it's going with a hat. I'm just gonna
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: throw my list down and take kalamanungay I a dog
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: Isle manung Guy Me and missus Mnunguy then two biggest
[1:08:05] Speaker 3: fans of Kyle's game downhill, powerful runner, moves the pile
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: unbelievably small, and pass broke just as good as you'll
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: ever see a rookie step ins league understanding why he's
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: supposed to be with some pretty tricky assignments. So I
[1:08:18] Speaker 3: think that will get him more and more time on
[1:08:20] Speaker 3: the field. And if you just watch the Bengals game,
[1:08:23] Speaker 3: he does have more juice. And I think the reputation
[1:08:26] Speaker 3: is giving Frand fall, which is oh, he's the seventh
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: round guy. He came in, he played between the tackles,
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: then Swift was on the field.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: He gives them a little bit more acceleration off the snap.
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: I think mynung guy's got some second level juice that
[1:08:36] Speaker 3: if he can get some more playing.
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: Time, we'll be able to see some more of Yeah,
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: he was in my top thirty two.
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: When he like he got to the line of scrimmage
[1:08:45] Speaker 2: very quickly, I believe, or when when he got to
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, his his miles per hour were
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: somehow top five in the league.
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: So that that kind of talking about running hot that
[1:08:54] Speaker 3: he speaks.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: To what you were talking about that one game where
[1:08:57] Speaker 2: Swift was gone, or maybe it wasn't just one. But
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: he had that game again the Bengals where you know,
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: he showed he could kind of be a primary back.
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: Granted it was against the Bengals, but he had one
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: hundred and seventy six year. It's not going to make
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: you miss the open field, is it? Is it rude
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: to not have taken Swift? Should we just take Swift?
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: Back to back here? I think this is where I
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: had I actually had him slightly higher, and then I
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: just started picking like my beloveds, as you would say,
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: because Swift's never been my type of guy. And yet
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: the argument for him is Ben Johnson backs him. I
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: mean he had him in two spots. They didn't kick
[1:09:26] Speaker 2: him off the team last year. He ends up having
[1:09:30] Speaker 2: outrageous numbers. Last year he has the best numbers of
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: anyone left like cumulatively, but also per snap he had
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: the second highest success rate of any running back outside
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: the tackles. You know, he's right at the top of
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: the league in terms of, you know, yards before he
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: gets contacted because he's not going to break a lot
[1:09:48] Speaker 2: of contact and that's the scheme and that's the system.
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: But he's also a guy who fits that type of
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: system well because of the juice he had, and I
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: think he was more consistent last year than he's ever been,
[1:10:00] Speaker 2: and I think that has been a slight just improvement
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: the last two seasons really where you can now kind
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: of convince yourself, Okay, he's settling in, maybe not like
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: Tony Pollard exactly, but kind of settling into a more
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: predictable portion of his career.
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: I had him hire on my list, and I recognize
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: he's more talented than Kalamanunga. I just preferred kalaman UNGA's
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: style in his overall impact on the game. I've aughty
[1:10:22] Speaker 3: swift last year. What really stood out was he was
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: just less densey. Even with the Lions, he would really
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: dance behind the line of screamers trying to find the
[1:10:29] Speaker 3: perfect opening. I just thought you ran with way more intent,
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: way more downhill burst last season, playing behind the really
[1:10:35] Speaker 3: good line and a really good interior. And so I
[1:10:38] Speaker 3: don't see any reason why that would drop off.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: I think the drafts could have gone differently for them,
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: and then they would have possibly like replaced him last
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: year this year, but he had a big salary, and
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: you know it didn't happen in the draft last year,
[1:10:49] Speaker 2: and then they decided to keep him, and you know,
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: he's still paid pretty high, and it's like like, actually, no,
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: kind of like you were mentioning with Pollard, They're like,
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: we don't need to replace DeAndre Swift. Like we can
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: have one of the best offenses in the league with
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift as our leading rusher. So I think that
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: that that is worth something.
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: All right, next up for you till stage of the draft,
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: do I do it? Well?
[1:11:10] Speaker 2: Now, it's more like I just want to make sure
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: some of these guys get drafted, and I think there's
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: too many of my guys left, so it's going to
[1:11:15] Speaker 2: be painful who gets left off.
[1:11:22] Speaker 3: I'll take Juderium Price the Seahawks. He's gonna be the
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: lead ball carrier for them this season. I liked parts
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: of his film in college. He's not wasn't in every
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: down player in college, but I do think he's got
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: the juice to be a difference maker from the get go.
[1:11:38] Speaker 3: And so if you think back to last year's rookie classes, saying, okay,
[1:11:43] Speaker 3: I just see special stuff without some of the rookies,
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: quinch On Jokins, we mentioned it just looks different. It
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: looks a little bit special. I think Jerien Price could
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: have those those flashes as a rookie.
[1:11:53] Speaker 2: That that totally makes sense to me. He's a more
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: higher ceiling guy. Like, none of the veterans that I
[1:11:59] Speaker 2: have left are are like that. They're more just guys
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: I want to, for the most part, give give some
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: love to. Like the total opposite is actually who I'm
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: gonna take next is Jordan Mason.
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: Jordan Mason's underrated.
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you need a back that you need
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: four yards and you block like three and a half.
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: He's got to get you four and a half, you know.
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: And he always ranks really high and mistackles force was
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: third in the league last year, like in terms of
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: per per snap.
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: To me, he's underrated.
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: I like that they used him a little more as
[1:12:29] Speaker 2: a receiver. There was I didn't see any particular reason
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: why that couldn't be the caseless unless you tell me
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: he's horrible up blocking and he was better, And I
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: like that there was kind of a one to one
[1:12:38] Speaker 2: comparison with him and Aaron Jones and Eyeball Tests and
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: watching it. As much as I love Aaron Jones, I
[1:12:43] Speaker 2: actually think like that the numbers indicate Jordan Mason was
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: the better option compared to him a year ago.
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: And to me, he's just.
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: Kind of like a perfect respectable back to have on
[1:12:55] Speaker 2: your team.
[1:12:56] Speaker 3: He is perfectly respectable. I think it's a good pick.
[1:12:59] Speaker 3: I know, the rugged runner. I do like the rugged runners.
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: He's I think more limited than some of the other
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: backs you mentioned some of the past person of even
[1:13:06] Speaker 3: the specific runs they use him on. It's like it's
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: we're just gonna use these six that's where we think
[1:13:11] Speaker 3: you're best. But his underlying metrics are always outstanding. So
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: I think I don't see any reason why that would decline.
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: That's a nice way of saying you wouldn't have taken him.
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: All Right, you're up.
[1:13:20] Speaker 3: Next, let's go with I'll take David Montgomery.
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: Yes, please. I don't want him to not get drafted.
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: I am a little bit worried about a twenty nine
[1:13:32] Speaker 3: year old who's absorbed that much punishment. He's changing teams
[1:13:36] Speaker 3: to a team he's probably gonna absorb even more punishment
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: than he's dealt with before. But I just think back
[1:13:41] Speaker 3: to the night against the Ravens when Jamie Gibbs was
[1:13:44] Speaker 3: out and he still showed to me that that was
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: a starting caliber, heavy touch type back.
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: You can impact the.
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: Game in multiple ways, and so I don't think he's
[1:13:52] Speaker 3: even the most talented back on the Texans roster, but
[1:13:56] Speaker 3: he is.
[1:13:56] Speaker 1: As you say, you know what.
[1:13:58] Speaker 2: You're getting a little what Arks loves I was thinking
[1:14:01] Speaker 2: is what he Mark's gonna slide into the thirty two,
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: we'll see. I wanted to make sure Montgomer get drafted too,
[1:14:07] Speaker 2: and he is someone I went back to watch some
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: and you know what, Like the numbers aren't incredible. His
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: metrics are just close to average basically in everything, which
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: which makes sense. But I don't think you can really
[1:14:20] Speaker 2: evaluate what he adds to the team. First of all, he's,
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: as far as I can tell, like he's great in
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: pass pro. He is a versatile back, the ruggedness that
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: he plays with, and I thought last year when I
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: went back looking for a lack of juice, I was like, no,
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: I think he still has a pretty good amount of juice.
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: And so I get why the Texans wanted him, at
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: least for the low price. Essentially that they got him,
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: so he's going to carry out all your assignments. I
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: feel good about that. I want to go now with
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: someone a little higher ceiling. Let's go to the guy
[1:14:46] Speaker 2: that the Rams you know, trusted and leaned on a
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: little bit in the NFC Championship game when they needed
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: a little extra juice. I mean Blake Koram in terms
[1:14:57] Speaker 2: of success rate, in terms of the high rate of
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: explosives per run was quite high. And uh, look when
[1:15:07] Speaker 2: the Chips were down and they needed to try to
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: get to the super Bowl, them trusting him as much
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: as they did and him delivering mattered a lot to me.
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: And so Korm was one I wanted to just kind
[1:15:18] Speaker 2: of make sure sneaks into the end of this draft
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: because I think he's going to get better and better.
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: Like the total touches are going to be limited because
[1:15:24] Speaker 2: of Kiren, but I do think they know how to
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: spot him. They have a type Ali and they know
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: how to find them.
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: They do small, but stout and tough to tackle, I
[1:15:33] Speaker 3: think is the type, and they use them in different
[1:15:35] Speaker 3: ways where Karen is a little bit more balanced. I
[1:15:37] Speaker 3: would saban Zim's the design of runs. They really do
[1:15:40] Speaker 3: use Blake korm as more of the throwback show McVay offense.
[1:15:43] Speaker 3: All the wide zone stuff is where they bring him in.
[1:15:46] Speaker 3: That is a three read type situation for a back,
[1:15:49] Speaker 3: and I've been through the Rams offense last season. I
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: found one misread all season for a back in Blake Korme.
[1:15:54] Speaker 3: That is just so impossible to do. So I think
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: the smalts the next level. He's really shifty once you
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: get climbs into the line of scrimmage and guys can't
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: really see him and he just kind of can hesitate
[1:16:04] Speaker 3: in the hole and then fire out with their Ha's
[1:16:06] Speaker 3: got the second gear in the third gear, as you mentioned,
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: so I would not be at all surprised if, as
[1:16:12] Speaker 3: much as I like Keryn Williams, that they would start having.
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: More of a share of the carries.
[1:16:16] Speaker 2: There's so many backs I want to get drafted and
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: what we'll give a little quick honorable mention, but there's
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: really two that I just I just wanted to give
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: them the honor and there's only two spots left. Will
[1:16:26] Speaker 2: Allie take one of my two backs. I'm rooting for
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: you to do so so that they make the list.
[1:16:30] Speaker 2: We'll find out.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: I know there's so many backs I want to take,
[1:16:33] Speaker 1: but I had.
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: A lukewarm getting towards hop take, which is I'm going
[1:16:41] Speaker 3: to take Chris Rodriguez from the Jacks.
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: Wow, that's fun.
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: I think the interest from that staff is real in
[1:16:48] Speaker 3: him having a ton more carries than anyone expects. He
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: was actually with Liam Cohen when he was first the
[1:16:54] Speaker 3: Kentucky oc He is a doubles and single downhill grinding thumber.
[1:16:59] Speaker 3: We just into a bacial twoton. That's more of the artists.
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: He's a little bit out the Rodriguez is you know,
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: meat and potatoes. We know what's happening. I've spent all
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: night designing this stuff. Let's just get the ball downhill.
[1:17:11] Speaker 3: And so I think Rodriguez, who got real money from
[1:17:14] Speaker 3: the Jags, I think is going to be an actual
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: feature pot that game. And if you go back through
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: the Commander's film, it's really really impressive. So I can
[1:17:21] Speaker 3: see why they were so interested in bringing him over.
[1:17:24] Speaker 2: He is someone and they they love analytics at the Jaguars.
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: I'm not surprised if some of their numbers for him
[1:17:31] Speaker 2: turned back really excellent, because he is someone with the
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: next gen numbers, whether it's rush yards, you know, per carry,
[1:17:38] Speaker 2: whether it's success ray just like a relatively complete back
[1:17:42] Speaker 2: who excelled in a lot of different numbers, and so
[1:17:45] Speaker 2: actually it does make sense that he goes here. So
[1:17:50] Speaker 2: I have two like third downish, E have a lot
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: of third down backs. The two that I wanted to
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: get taken here were Rashad White and Kenny Gainwell.
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: I just feel like Areth underrated.
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: I'm going to give the team MVP Kenny Gainwell the
[1:18:04] Speaker 2: honor of being our thirty second runner. I mean, there's
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: only so many guys this late in the draft who
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: was literally named team MVP on a team with many
[1:18:16] Speaker 2: future Hall of famers, including a four time MVP and
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: a former Defensive Player of the Year.
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: And yet who was the MVP of the team last year?
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: It was Kenny Gainwell.
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: There's only so many guys who was the primary ball
[1:18:28] Speaker 2: carrier on an offense that scored over thirty points against
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, Like that's worth something.
[1:18:34] Speaker 2: They were county on Kenny Gainwell in that game too,
[1:18:37] Speaker 2: And he's a little better athletically. I think that people
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: realize he actually had the fastest speed when he reached
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage of any player in the NFL
[1:18:46] Speaker 2: last season, so decisive, he had the most targets, because
[1:18:50] Speaker 2: that's all, Aaron Rodgers knew how to do just a
[1:18:53] Speaker 2: damn good player. No matter how good you think he is,
[1:18:55] Speaker 2: he's always even like a little bit better, and he
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: keeps getting better, and so he's someone I just kind
[1:18:59] Speaker 2: of wanted to have some flowers too.
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: At number thirty two.
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: He is a damn good play. He probably should have
[1:19:03] Speaker 3: gone higher than this. Honestly, I took a swing on
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: Jindarium price. I think you should comfully be above that
[1:19:09] Speaker 3: might consume for him in terms of projection into twenty
[1:19:12] Speaker 3: twenty six. Is a lot of this production last season
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: was in the passing game. And then he says, Aaron Rodgers,
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: I don't want to get hit. What's the release falve,
[1:19:19] Speaker 3: Let's get the Bolt Kenny game. Well, Baker Mayfield don't
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: play that game. Bake Mayfield will stand in And so
[1:19:25] Speaker 3: will you limit some kind of the receiving chops?
[1:19:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, in his yards from scrimmage. In general, I thought
[1:19:31] Speaker 2: it'd be nice to have some players like this who
[1:19:33] Speaker 2: are role players. I mean, that's an important part of
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: being a running back. If he goes back to Hey,
[1:19:39] Speaker 2: he's a six to eight hundred yards from scrimmage type
[1:19:42] Speaker 2: of player. He to me is one of the best
[1:19:44] Speaker 2: and most valuable in that role. Who are some other
[1:19:47] Speaker 2: role player type backs? Light like a Rasad White who
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: didn't make the list for you that you want to
[1:19:52] Speaker 2: give some love to.
[1:19:53] Speaker 3: Role player Kimani Vidal is a protecting back outstanding. Who
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: else didn't make my list?
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: Role player?
[1:20:00] Speaker 3: Is the one that hurts me the most is JK.
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: Dobbins.
[1:20:07] Speaker 3: How well he ran through the first ten weeks this
[1:20:10] Speaker 3: season and then another injury and seeing was Zach Shalbine.
[1:20:12] Speaker 3: I really wanted to get them on, but just the
[1:20:14] Speaker 3: the injury concerns I think helped me back from taking them.
[1:20:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Alzier is a guy who's always high and
[1:20:20] Speaker 2: breaking tackle. Just a big, tough guy. You kind of
[1:20:22] Speaker 2: know what you're getting. Rashad White I had, for whatever reason,
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: much higher on my actual rankings and then he didn't
[1:20:28] Speaker 2: get ranked. I mean he he is a you know,
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: converted receiver who's you know, a running back who's actually
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: good at receiving, who's excellent at blocking, and literally led
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: the NFL in success rate for runners that had over
[1:20:44] Speaker 2: eighty carries last year. And you are comparing him to
[1:20:48] Speaker 2: Bucky Irving and even Sean Tucker and like his numbers
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: per Carrie, per everything were much better last year, so
[1:20:54] Speaker 2: I think he had the best season of his career.
[1:20:55] Speaker 2: He timed it well going into free agency.
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: He is an.
[1:20:58] Speaker 2: Asset like push, comes to shove, like Tim or Gainwell,
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: like I don't know if it was my team who
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: I really take. I just wanted to give gain Well
[1:21:07] Speaker 2: some love because I have affection to him. But Rashad
[1:21:08] Speaker 2: White is absolutely valuable NFL player. I think he's a
[1:21:11] Speaker 2: good indication of how running back salaries have gone up
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: a little bit where now you're actually paying these role
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: players like reasonable salaries as they should get.
[1:21:18] Speaker 1: Because I think he's a good one.
[1:21:20] Speaker 3: The other guys I would mention you probably we may
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: feel dumb leaving off the list. A projected lift was
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: one would be r. J. Harvey with the Broncos. His
[1:21:29] Speaker 3: tape I thought was really really poll last season. It's
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: a guy I really like coming out of the draft,
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: and you can see I think in them drafting Joan
[1:21:36] Speaker 3: of Coleman trying to bring more insurance policies in to
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: the building that they went through and like this is
[1:21:40] Speaker 3: pretty brutal, but he still has legit speed and is
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: a really good primitive runners. So if they can maybe
[1:21:47] Speaker 3: rewoke the offense slightly, I think he could have a
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: big breakout. That'd be one Woody Max would be another one.
[1:21:52] Speaker 3: I just I buy into Woody Marks more than I
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: think the most. I understand why they brought Montgomery and
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: they wanted some more reliability, but I just think Marks
[1:22:00] Speaker 3: explosive play potential that should see him on the field ball.
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: On my actual list, Dobbins was thirty three. Marks was
[1:22:08] Speaker 2: thirty four, and uh yeah, you know, for all the
[1:22:11] Speaker 2: people looking for the big names out there, Rico Dawdle
[1:22:13] Speaker 2: didn't get drafted, Bill Krofsky Merritt, I mean a lot
[1:22:16] Speaker 2: of juice could be fun, you know. Yeah, Rico and
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: Chuba Harbard, the Panthers backs didn't didn't quite get taken.
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: Scataboo's coming off of an injury, which didn't help. And
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: then I thought you were gonna give some shout. I
[1:22:27] Speaker 2: just wrote him down because he's one of my favorite
[1:22:29] Speaker 2: role players, like Ty Johnson is great at way. Yes,
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take him on this Rangons, but just
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: want to give.
[1:22:34] Speaker 1: Ty Johnson some love. Ali. It was fun that this
[1:22:37] Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things.
[1:22:39] Speaker 2: We do every week that the fans have been enjoying it,
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: NFL Daily thirty two.
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: We will be back next week.
[1:22:45] Speaker 2: I believe we're going to do some GMS with their
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: friend Jordan Redriek, so that'll be fun.
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: Get the torches out. I know you were ready. Oh
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: I haven't the hottest of hottest takes.
[1:22:54] Speaker 3: If people want to want to see NFL Daily turn
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: into First Take for an afternoon.
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: That will be the show to down.
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: All right, I would like that too. All right, let's
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: hit the hit the music. We will be back on Monday.
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: Me and Shook will be doing a news roundup after
[1:23:10] Speaker 2: the weekend. We've got about three weeks left of OTAs
[1:23:13] Speaker 2: in Mini Camp season and then we all just take
[1:23:16] Speaker 2: a little break. But we're not there yet. We've got
[1:23:18] Speaker 2: some rankings to do. We will see you on Monday.
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: List Ship

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