# Week 5 Picks Against the Spread with Nick Shook

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 9 Oct 2026, 21 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook make their picks against the spread for Week 5 of the NFL season. Find out where the guys are leaning on games between the Browns and Jets, Bears and Packers, Raiders and Patriots, Bills and Rams, Vikings and Saints, Broncos and Charges, Steelers and Colts, 49ers and Seahawks, and Bengals and Dolphins. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're about a week or
[0:08] Speaker 1: two away from taking away the play calling from myself
[0:10] Speaker 1: and Nick Shook. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here with the
[0:14] Speaker 1: week five picks. First, Amiko Ryans takes away the play
[0:19] Speaker 1: calling from Matt Burke, the Houston Texans defensive coordinator.
[0:23] Speaker 2: And then as we're taping.
[0:25] Speaker 1: On this day, we learned Sean Payton taking it away.
[0:27] Speaker 1: We saw this coming in Denver that he wants to
[0:31] Speaker 1: be the play caller, although they're trying to sell it
[0:35] Speaker 1: that he might not. We'll see if the Broncos come
[0:37] Speaker 1: up in this show. Chuck, I'm just joking around. I
[0:42] Speaker 1: see that you are in a new location, a new house,
[0:45] Speaker 1: a nice backdrop, and this nice backdrop is going to
[0:48] Speaker 1: be the good luck charm, new house, New picks, and
[0:51] Speaker 1: it's going to help turn our seasons around.
[0:53] Speaker 2: We're both struggling.
[0:54] Speaker 1: I end up at 1-1-1 last week because of a
[0:56] Speaker 1: ridiculous push by the Chargers.
[0:59] Speaker 2: I rewatched that game.
[1:01] Speaker 1: There was about 16 different plays the Chargers made in
[1:04] Speaker 1: the fourth quarter that were outrageous, including a fourth down conversion,
[1:07] Speaker 1: Herbert's falling down. They didn't make those plays Seahawks would
[1:10] Speaker 1: have covered and I would have turned it around. You
[1:13] Speaker 1: had another losing week, but you know what? Like I said,
[1:15] Speaker 1: we're turning it around this week. I'm going to give
[1:17] Speaker 1: you the first overall pick and I want to see
[1:20] Speaker 1: how you are ready to start this season.
[1:22] Speaker 2: New adventure in your new house.
[1:24] Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping that the picks this week go better
[1:27] Speaker 3: than some of the transportation of my items did because
[1:31] Speaker 3: you can't really tell right now, but the LED lighting
[1:33] Speaker 3: behind me was damaged in the move, so I have
[1:35] Speaker 3: to replace it. But hopefully we're going to go perfect
[1:38] Speaker 3: and there's going to be no damage at all this week.
[1:40] Speaker 3: My first pick. You've I think you've chastised me in
[1:44] Speaker 3: recent weeks for being a self-loathing Browns fan or something
[1:50] Speaker 3: along those lines. I've heard it from many people. I'm
[1:52] Speaker 3: going with the Browns plus one and a half at
[1:54] Speaker 3: the Jets. And it's because I believe in the Browns
[1:57] Speaker 3: to win straight up. That's not a taking the points total.
[2:01] Speaker 3: In fact, it's the opposite. But based on what I
[2:04] Speaker 3: saw from the Jets last week, which I think will
[2:05] Speaker 3: be an anomaly in the larger picture, I feel good
[2:08] Speaker 3: about the direction the Browns are heading. Of course, this,
[2:10] Speaker 3: you know, if you look at it from a fan
[2:11] Speaker 3: perspective and you're a Browns fan, you say. well, they're
[2:14] Speaker 3: on a three game winning streak. So of course, this
[2:16] Speaker 3: is the game that they lose to this Jets team.
[2:18] Speaker 3: And that's fair to throw in there as part of
[2:21] Speaker 3: the equation. But I feel confident that they're going to
[2:23] Speaker 3: be able to go to New York and continue their momentum.
[2:26] Speaker 3: And that's why with them, you know, not as the favorite,
[2:28] Speaker 3: I'm just going to pick them to win straight up here.
[2:30] Speaker 3: And it's plus one and a half. So that really
[2:31] Speaker 3: doesn't matter to me.
[2:33] Speaker 2: It makes sense.
[2:33] Speaker 1: I do think the Browns are a little better than
[2:35] Speaker 1: the Jets. I definitely have my questions about Deshaun Watson.
[2:38] Speaker 1: Are The Jets defense going to be the team athletic enough,
[2:42] Speaker 1: especially up front. You do have David Bailey who could
[2:45] Speaker 1: take him down, but otherwise it's an older defense to
[2:48] Speaker 1: kind of expose maybe Watson holding the ball. I did
[2:51] Speaker 1: look at this game and think, oh, this is a
[2:53] Speaker 1: bounce back game for the Jets. Now, the thing in
[2:56] Speaker 1: your favor is the extra rest that Cleveland has. I'm
[2:59] Speaker 1: always keeping an eye on that on Thursday night football.
[3:02] Speaker 1: We might get to a similar situation in a few minutes.
[3:05] Speaker 1: And it just feels like to me, these two teams
[3:08] Speaker 1: aren't too far apart. They're close to even. Jets are home.
[3:11] Speaker 1: I can see them as a two and three team.
[3:13] Speaker 1: I can see the Browns as a three and two team.
[3:15] Speaker 2: But I get it. I have no problem with that.
[3:17] Speaker 1: I'm going in a similar direction, which is I'm picking
[3:20] Speaker 1: the team that's on a hot streak against the team
[3:23] Speaker 1: that just statistically has not looked great. I'm taking the
[3:27] Speaker 1: Bears minus one and a half in Green Bay.
[3:31] Speaker 2: Always beware, you know, the slight road favorites.
[3:35] Speaker 1: And that's what the Bears are here. But ultimately, look,
[3:39] Speaker 1: the Packers actually started the week before, you know, the
[3:44] Speaker 1: game before Saturday last week as the favorite in this game.
[3:46] Speaker 2: And it flipped.
[3:47] Speaker 1: And I saw a Bears fan asking like, oh, this
[3:50] Speaker 1: must mean like they think Caleb Williams is coming back.
[3:52] Speaker 2: It's like, no, dog.
[3:53] Speaker 1: Like they think your team stinks. The DVOA, just total efficiency. Packers,
[3:59] Speaker 1: 28th in offense, 24th in defense. Bears, one of the
[4:03] Speaker 1: few teams that are top 10 in in both offense
[4:06] Speaker 1: and defense. Tyson Bajan is a factor that you have
[4:11] Speaker 1: to be worried about against a blitzing, frisky Packers defense.
[4:16] Speaker 1: But I just love the weapons that the Bears have.
[4:19] Speaker 1: Obviously the ground game, but also I think Luther Burden
[4:22] Speaker 1: is playing well. Roma Dunzey coming off a good game.
[4:24] Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to scheme up some open receivers.
[4:28] Speaker 1: And ultimately, I am trusting in this Bears defense to
[4:31] Speaker 1: just keep the score low enough for Ben Johnson to
[4:34] Speaker 1: get it done with his play calling.
[4:35] Speaker 3: That's been one of the... on underappreciated storylines with this bears.
[4:40] Speaker 3: Cause we've talked about how Ben Johnson has won a
[4:42] Speaker 3: game now with three different quarterbacks and he must be
[4:44] Speaker 3: quarterback proof and that's all valid and everything else, but
[4:47] Speaker 3: this defense has played well. Now, if in the larger picture,
[4:50] Speaker 3: when we look at this in a post-mortem perspective, at
[4:53] Speaker 3: the end of the regular season, we may look at
[4:55] Speaker 3: this stretch and say, okay, that was misleading because of
[4:58] Speaker 3: their three of their four games, three of them, two
[5:01] Speaker 3: of them have come against pretty bad offenses in, in
[5:04] Speaker 3: Minnesota and the Eagles. And they had the shootout in
[5:07] Speaker 3: week one, obviously, against Carolina. And then they had that
[5:09] Speaker 3: very lopsided game against the Jets, a team that I
[5:11] Speaker 3: still can't really pin down. So is this fool's gold
[5:15] Speaker 3: with this Bears defense?
[5:16] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[5:17] Speaker 3: And I don't really know that we're going to see
[5:19] Speaker 3: it tested this week because despite the Packers finding more
[5:22] Speaker 3: success in the ground against the Buccaneers last week, they're
[5:24] Speaker 3: still a pretty lopsided offense. The reason I stayed away
[5:27] Speaker 3: from this, Greg, is because it's a rivalry game at
[5:30] Speaker 3: Lambeau and you don't have Caleb Williams. That is the reason.
[5:34] Speaker 1: Fair, but this matchup, which has a lot of heat,
[5:37] Speaker 1: of course, after how it ended last year with Ben
[5:41] Speaker 1: Johnson kind of owning Matt LaFleur and that whole back
[5:44] Speaker 1: and forth.
[5:44] Speaker 3: Almost getting Matt LaFleur fired.
[5:46] Speaker 1: You know, like there was a real frostiness between the two.
[5:52] Speaker 2: And I think it's worth remembering that.
[5:54] Speaker 1: Matt LaFleur actually had good answers for Dennis Allen's defense
[5:57] Speaker 1: for most of each of those games. They put up
[6:00] Speaker 1: 400 yards of offense. They built a big lead in
[6:02] Speaker 1: each game, and then they blew it late, as Matt
[6:05] Speaker 1: LaFleur teams are accustomed to doing. My main takeaway, though,
[6:10] Speaker 1: is about the Bears' defense. It's like, you're right, and
[6:13] Speaker 1: they're playing another bad offense this week. They did go
[6:16] Speaker 1: heavy personnel more last week, and it was effective. They
[6:19] Speaker 1: got rid of the ball more quickly, and that was effective.
[6:22] Speaker 1: They probably get Kevin Zeitler in as a starter on
[6:24] Speaker 1: the offensive line. And the Bears defense has struggled more
[6:28] Speaker 1: against heavy personnel. But I really think you got to
[6:30] Speaker 1: beat the Bears defense with the running game. There were
[6:33] Speaker 1: little signs last week. Ultimately, I just think the Bears
[6:36] Speaker 1: are a significantly better team than the Packers right now.
[6:38] Speaker 1: I'm going to take them on the road. What is
[6:40] Speaker 1: your second pick?
[6:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that rationale. I support it. My second pick,
[6:44] Speaker 3: I'm going to take a hot team that You know,
[6:48] Speaker 3: when you see these lines from week to week, this
[6:49] Speaker 3: is a week to week league and we get surprises
[6:51] Speaker 3: every week. And if you want to look at my
[6:52] Speaker 3: overall picks, just straight up record, you can. That's great
[6:55] Speaker 3: proof of how this league is very unpredictable. But one
[6:57] Speaker 3: team I still feel very confident in, despite them suffering
[7:00] Speaker 3: their first loss last year. is the Las Vegas Raiders.
[7:03] Speaker 3: They're going on the road to face the Patriots. They're
[7:06] Speaker 3: three and a half point underdogs. I'm taking them plus
[7:08] Speaker 3: the points. I believe in Kirk Cousins. I know they
[7:11] Speaker 3: don't run the ball that well. Maybe... This probably isn't
[7:14] Speaker 3: the week that that turns around, but maybe. You can hope. And...
[7:17] Speaker 3: I still need the Patriots to prove to me that
[7:19] Speaker 3: last week wasn't just the product of playing a division
[7:21] Speaker 3: rival and playing inspired football. So I'm going Raiders, baby.
[7:25] Speaker 3: I'm on this bandwagon. I'm on this ship until it sinks.
[7:28] Speaker 3: Maybe there will be a lifeboat left for me. Maybe
[7:30] Speaker 3: there will be half a door and somebody won't let
[7:32] Speaker 3: me on when there was clearly space for it, like
[7:34] Speaker 3: in Titanic. But I'm going with the Raiders. Yeah.
[7:37] Speaker 1: And like Titanic, you know, it takes a while to
[7:39] Speaker 1: turn this ship around, but we're going to do it
[7:41] Speaker 1: here in week two. I'm cautiously optimistic about the Patriots.
[7:48] Speaker 1: in general, but I definitely would be on the Raiders side.
[7:51] Speaker 1: I don't want to be picking against my team. The
[7:54] Speaker 1: three and a half does it. I think it should
[7:55] Speaker 1: be two and a half. I think it should be
[7:57] Speaker 1: one of those where it's two even teams, slight home
[7:59] Speaker 1: favorite Patriots defense has been good.
[8:03] Speaker 2: I think it's well coached.
[8:04] Speaker 1: I think it's similar to the Raiders where on paper
[8:06] Speaker 1: they have some holes, but I think they're schemed up
[8:09] Speaker 1: pretty well. And so I think it's a, it's a tight,
[8:11] Speaker 1: close game. Christian Gonzalez has not been practicing again this week.
[8:15] Speaker 1: It's just a massive, massive loss for the Raiders. Patriots
[8:18] Speaker 1: and so yeah it's one where I think two even
[8:21] Speaker 1: teams take the points I like it okay I have
[8:26] Speaker 1: another game where we're just kind of picking the winner
[8:27] Speaker 1: at least I am here and that is the Rams
[8:31] Speaker 1: minus three on Monday Night Football I'm sorry oh well
[8:35] Speaker 1: I oh I went with my you know tiny table
[8:38] Speaker 1: take on our preview show check that out as uh
[8:42] Speaker 1: that the Rams offense was gonna get it going I
[8:45] Speaker 1: I do think a big part of the Patriots figuring
[8:48] Speaker 1: things out last week was a lackluster Bills defense that
[8:52] Speaker 1: has a few good players, but is counting on the
[8:55] Speaker 1: guys in the back end to do too much.
[8:57] Speaker 2: You have the.
[8:59] Speaker 1: Rams coming home and playing indoors where I think they're
[9:04] Speaker 1: just going to be more comfortable. You get, Jalen Watson
[9:07] Speaker 1: back in the secondary. We don't know if Christian Benford
[9:09] Speaker 1: is going to be back for the Bills. We don't
[9:11] Speaker 1: know if DJ Moore is going to be back for
[9:12] Speaker 1: the Bills. He's been out of practice. But either way,
[9:15] Speaker 1: I look at the Bills offense and think, OK, are
[9:17] Speaker 1: you going to keep up in a shootout? And you
[9:20] Speaker 1: look at the great week when all the credit in
[9:22] Speaker 1: the world to them. But since then, you kill a
[9:26] Speaker 1: dreadful Lions defense. The Bills were great that day, but
[9:30] Speaker 1: it's a truly awful Lions defense. And the last two,
[9:32] Speaker 1: I just think up and down. I think it's a
[9:34] Speaker 1: high scoring game. I think there's a lot of points,
[9:36] Speaker 1: but three points is just not enough for me. If
[9:40] Speaker 1: it was four, four and a half, maybe I stay away.
[9:42] Speaker 1: But I think this is a game that's maybe in
[9:44] Speaker 1: the high 20s or 30s where it's 35-35. 28, 35,
[9:48] Speaker 1: 31 by the end. And that three points, not enough
[9:52] Speaker 1: for a team in LA that I think is more
[9:54] Speaker 1: balanced ultimately overall, because I think they have a better defense.
[9:57] Speaker 2: I think they can win games in multiple kind of ways.
[10:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard to figure out who the Rams
[10:02] Speaker 3: are at this point in the season because they were
[10:04] Speaker 3: without Pupinakua until last week. They missed him for the
[10:07] Speaker 3: two weeks in between week one and week four, and
[10:09] Speaker 3: they don't have Myles Garrett. And they also have their
[10:11] Speaker 3: performances have just been very up and down. But I
[10:14] Speaker 3: do believe... Then in the bigger picture, we're going to
[10:17] Speaker 3: kind of toss last week's win out the door because
[10:19] Speaker 3: it was kind of a gross day weather wise. I
[10:21] Speaker 3: think at one point I watched Matthew Stafford get hit,
[10:24] Speaker 3: go down to the ground, and then he comes up
[10:25] Speaker 3: and there's just grass all over his helmet, not like
[10:27] Speaker 3: chunks of grass, just blades. And that tells me that's
[10:29] Speaker 3: a wet field and the footing is not great. They
[10:31] Speaker 3: had a bunch of near misses that could have produced
[10:34] Speaker 3: big plays that could have swung the game in their
[10:36] Speaker 3: favor a lot earlier than the way that they came
[10:38] Speaker 3: back in the end. And so I feel like that's
[10:39] Speaker 3: the anomaly in the larger picture. But because we are
[10:42] Speaker 3: only one month in and the you know, selection of
[10:46] Speaker 3: evidence that we have to work with is, you know,
[10:48] Speaker 3: very inconsistent. I have a hard time. Like I looked
[10:51] Speaker 3: at this game and I was just like, I'm staying
[10:52] Speaker 3: away from that because I could see it going either way.
[10:54] Speaker 3: The one thing I do know is what you've already,
[10:56] Speaker 3: the point that you've already made, which is that that
[10:57] Speaker 3: Bill's defense is not that good. And I think the
[11:01] Speaker 3: Rams will probably capitalize on that, especially at home. But
[11:05] Speaker 3: I need to, I'm very cautious with them right now.
[11:08] Speaker 3: I'm not putting anything on the Rams, you know, in
[11:11] Speaker 3: terms of reputation as of now.
[11:12] Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a hunch and a little
[11:15] Speaker 1: bit of belief that yes, if you look at these
[11:18] Speaker 1: two teams overall so far this season, I think they're
[11:21] Speaker 1: pretty close to even, but I think there's a lot
[11:24] Speaker 1: of reasons to believe the Rams will be better in
[11:28] Speaker 1: this environment and that their, their defense overall, we'll see
[11:31] Speaker 1: if Aaron Donald makes much of a difference, but that
[11:33] Speaker 1: their defense overall, I just think presents more challenges, has
[11:36] Speaker 1: more continuity and has way more talent than.
[11:39] Speaker 2: The bills defense.
[11:40] Speaker 1: And especially if, DJ Moore is not available. I just
[11:43] Speaker 1: don't see where there's some huge difference here between the
[11:48] Speaker 1: two offenses and the two quarterbacks. Matthew Stafford has to
[11:50] Speaker 1: play better. Can't keep making big mistakes. So we'll see.
[11:54] Speaker 2: On that one.
[11:54] Speaker 1: What is your third pick? Are you debating between a
[11:57] Speaker 1: few or you just got one nice and soft?
[11:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, because I made three and then I looked at
[12:02] Speaker 3: them and I was like, I'm going underdogs across the board.
[12:05] Speaker 3: Like I'm taking the points across the board. That feels
[12:07] Speaker 3: a little strange.
[12:08] Speaker 2: That's fine. Don't worry about it. Every week's different.
[12:11] Speaker 3: I think a layup exists in Broncos at Chargers, but
[12:14] Speaker 3: I'm not going to go with a layup. I'm going
[12:15] Speaker 3: to take a swing despite my poor record, despite my
[12:19] Speaker 3: play calling duties being threatened. I'm going underdogs. Saints plus
[12:23] Speaker 3: two and a half versus the Vikings. Wow. And like
[12:26] Speaker 3: the Reese, the reason I'm taking this. recency bias included,
[12:31] Speaker 3: I believe, is that this is a Vikings team that
[12:33] Speaker 3: has a fantastic defense, but I don't know how long
[12:36] Speaker 3: they can continue to win with just their defense. Yes,
[12:40] Speaker 3: the Saints got bulldozed by the Falcons rushing attack. Yes,
[12:44] Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, you know, has the potential to run on them,
[12:46] Speaker 3: but not at the level that Bajon Robinson and Brian
[12:48] Speaker 3: Robinson did. And you can't tell me that a team
[12:52] Speaker 3: that beat the Dolphins 15 to 10, with all due
[12:55] Speaker 3: respect to the Dolphins and their you know, slow, but
[12:58] Speaker 3: promising process is going to hold the Saints to a
[13:02] Speaker 3: low scoring output. Like, I think that the Saints have
[13:04] Speaker 3: an opportunity to win this game. It's going to be
[13:06] Speaker 3: a challenge, but they need to bounce back eventually. And yes, offensively,
[13:10] Speaker 3: they're going to encounter some challenges against this Brian Flores defense.
[13:13] Speaker 3: But I do believe that Tyler Shuck is one of
[13:15] Speaker 3: those guys who's capable of getting the ball out on
[13:17] Speaker 3: time in the face of pressure. And that could be
[13:19] Speaker 3: where the scales tip in the favor of the Saints.
[13:20] Speaker 3: So that's why I'm going plus two and a half Saints.
[13:23] Speaker 1: I like it just that they're at a bottom and
[13:25] Speaker 1: the Vikings are kind of at a high and you'll
[13:27] Speaker 1: do well historically of betting the bottom. Essentially, teams in
[13:32] Speaker 1: the NFL do bounce back on a week-to-week basis. I
[13:36] Speaker 1: do worry about them protecting Chuck in this game and
[13:39] Speaker 1: recognizing the blitzes and he needs to throw more to
[13:42] Speaker 1: the middle of the field.
[13:42] Speaker 2: That's where you beat the Vikings traditionally.
[13:45] Speaker 1: But I hear you that I think the Saints defense
[13:49] Speaker 1: has a good comeback game.
[13:50] Speaker 2: I think you're just.
[13:51] Speaker 1: going to see a much better effort out of a
[13:53] Speaker 1: team that was embarrassed. If I had to choose a
[13:55] Speaker 1: side on this one, I definitely would go Saints. So
[13:58] Speaker 1: I'm with you there.
[13:59] Speaker 2: I like it. All right.
[14:00] Speaker 3: I'm a fan too. And you know what? Maybe it's
[14:02] Speaker 3: a big day for America's tight end, Juwan Johnson.
[14:04] Speaker 2: It's funny because the Broncos minus three and a half.
[14:07] Speaker 2: I love that.
[14:08] Speaker 1: Broncos minus three and a half was the second game
[14:11] Speaker 1: I wrote down. And the more I thought about it,
[14:13] Speaker 1: the more I watched... I decided to stay away as well.
[14:17] Speaker 2: It feels weird.
[14:18] Speaker 3: There's something about it. Chargers is at 0-4. It's like rivalry, division.
[14:22] Speaker 2: Division game.
[14:23] Speaker 1: And Harbaugh owns Sean Payton, at least in the last
[14:27] Speaker 1: two years. They sat their starters in Week 18 last year.
[14:30] Speaker 1: But other than that, they won their last three games
[14:32] Speaker 1: against the Broncos. They are so banged up, though, that
[14:36] Speaker 1: I couldn't get there going Chargers, certainly. But that's a
[14:40] Speaker 1: stay away. I thought I was all in on... Steelers
[14:45] Speaker 1: minus two and a half in the mid-off, I'm calling it.
[14:49] Speaker 3: Yes.
[14:49] Speaker 2: Steelers-Colts.
[14:52] Speaker 1: Because they have the rest for TNF versus the London
[14:56] Speaker 1: trip for Indianapolis. I also think that the way you
[15:00] Speaker 1: beat the Steelers is with explosive plays. And the Colts
[15:06] Speaker 1: are just not built to do that.
[15:08] Speaker 2: So that's one.
[15:09] Speaker 1: And I'm thinking very strongly about it. I have not
[15:13] Speaker 1: made my decision. The other one I really like is
[15:15] Speaker 1: actually Seattle minus three against San Francisco. Now, San Francisco
[15:20] Speaker 1: is number one overall in DVOA by a decent amount.
[15:24] Speaker 1: I just think about how this matchup, how Mike McDonald
[15:27] Speaker 1: got hired in Seattle is for shutting down Brock Purdy
[15:31] Speaker 1: when he was with Baltimore. I think of the way
[15:32] Speaker 1: last year ended. They just embarrassed them. San Francisco two
[15:37] Speaker 1: times in a row. And you can say, oh, well,
[15:38] Speaker 1: this is a different 49ers team. That team was banged up.
[15:41] Speaker 1: This team's pretty banged up too. And I know Seattle
[15:44] Speaker 1: hasn't played its best game, but you're basically saying these
[15:46] Speaker 1: two teams are even right now and we're in Seattle
[15:49] Speaker 1: and the matchup problem. I really like the Seahawks in
[15:53] Speaker 1: this game as well. I still have not made up
[15:55] Speaker 1: my mind which one I'm going to choose. I'm giving
[15:57] Speaker 1: our listeners just a free extra pick for what it's worth.
[16:01] Speaker 1: What do you think between these two? What do you
[16:05] Speaker 1: think about these two in general?
[16:06] Speaker 2: You don't have to choose between them.
[16:08] Speaker 3: When I looked at Seahawks-Niners, it was another divisional game
[16:11] Speaker 3: where I was just like, stay away. Because... I mean, they.
[16:15] Speaker 2: Embarrassed them twice last year at the end.
[16:18] Speaker 3: I know, but every season is different. And the Niners
[16:22] Speaker 3: did just pass a test last week, which really impressed me.
[16:25] Speaker 3: You know, the mental toughness they needed to overcome a
[16:28] Speaker 3: really bad offensive first half to be able to pull
[16:31] Speaker 3: away and do it in their style. And... when it,
[16:35] Speaker 3: when it comes to these two teams and the familiarity,
[16:37] Speaker 3: I just, I worry about that. I also feel as
[16:40] Speaker 3: though the Steelers with that extra few days of rest
[16:43] Speaker 3: will bounce back. Um, I think that they're just a
[16:46] Speaker 3: better team than the Colts. The Colts' defense, I have
[16:49] Speaker 3: very little respect for on a weekly basis. And the
[16:53] Speaker 3: last two games they've won, they beat the Commanders overseas,
[16:58] Speaker 3: but the Commanders ended up playing with a third-string rookie
[17:01] Speaker 3: quarterback for the majority of that game, who did rip
[17:03] Speaker 3: some nice deep passes, but he also was out there
[17:06] Speaker 3: playing with no fear.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Wait, can I point out.
[17:08] Speaker 1: The most ridiculous social media post I saw all week?
[17:11] Speaker 1: The Commanders sent out a graphic that Callie McManus, led
[17:16] Speaker 1: the league in like plus 30 yard, like air yard
[17:20] Speaker 1: attempts last year.
[17:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was throwing a billion of them.
[17:24] Speaker 2: But it wasn't even completions. It was attempts. And they
[17:27] Speaker 2: put a big graphic. It was like six. And then
[17:29] Speaker 2: it was like a sponsored post.
[17:31] Speaker 1: And they were like, Cali McManus led the NFL in
[17:34] Speaker 1: six yards attempts.
[17:35] Speaker 2: I mean, I could put Nick Shook out there. Can
[17:37] Speaker 2: you throw at 30 yards? I'm sure you can.
[17:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:40] Speaker 1: You can lead the NFL in 30-yard attempts, too. They're
[17:43] Speaker 1: probably not going to get a lot of completions, but
[17:44] Speaker 1: you can just throw it every doubt.
[17:45] Speaker 2: It's just as funny.
[17:46] Speaker 3: Just take a snap and chuck it. Yeah, that's hilarious.
[17:48] Speaker 1: He did complete two of them, and they had two
[17:51] Speaker 1: 40-plus-yard gains, which is bigger than I think a lot
[17:55] Speaker 1: of really big-time quarterbacks have all seen.
[17:57] Speaker 3: Right, but if the Colts fans are going to be like, oh, well,
[18:02] Speaker 3: our defense just held Houston to 17, and we held
[18:05] Speaker 3: Washington to 13. And I'm thinking, like, do you understand
[18:09] Speaker 3: the circumstances involved in both games? A Texans offense that
[18:13] Speaker 3: couldn't run the ball and then you gave up a
[18:14] Speaker 3: late touchdown and you were fortunate to escape with a victory.
[18:17] Speaker 3: This is not going to hold against the Steelers as
[18:20] Speaker 3: long as they stick with Jalen Warren. Just let Jalen
[18:23] Speaker 3: Warren pace this offense and build off of it. Follow
[18:26] Speaker 3: the Kevin Stefanski and Falcons method. I think the Steelers
[18:29] Speaker 3: win this one easily. Like, I think that this is
[18:33] Speaker 3: it could be a back and forth game, but I
[18:34] Speaker 3: think they end up pulling away. And that's why I
[18:36] Speaker 3: like that pick more.
[18:38] Speaker 1: I was leaning that way too, partly because when it's
[18:42] Speaker 1: a tiebreaker for me, it's more about the teams you're
[18:44] Speaker 1: picking against than the teams you are picking for.
[18:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't have a ton of confidence in
[18:47] Speaker 3: the Colts.
[18:48] Speaker 1: And I don't either. I really do like that Seahawks game.
[18:52] Speaker 1: I'm on the comeback trail. That was a two-in-one week
[18:55] Speaker 1: last week that was taken away by total robbery in
[19:00] Speaker 1: that Chargers game. And I'm going three-in-one with these four picks. Pittsburgh, Seattle, Chicago,
[19:07] Speaker 1: and the Rams. But because of the format, I'm going
[19:09] Speaker 1: to go 3-1 or 4-0. I'm calling it right here.
[19:13] Speaker 2: It's happening. It's happening.
[19:14] Speaker 1: I'm just saying I will have to make one to
[19:18] Speaker 1: make it our three, and that will be Pittsburgh minus
[19:21] Speaker 1: two and a half.
[19:21] Speaker 3: We banned ourselves from going in together, but as my extra,
[19:24] Speaker 3: my fourth, I am also taking Pittsburgh. And the last
[19:27] Speaker 3: point I didn't make, but my extra, since we each
[19:30] Speaker 3: have an extra, apparently.
[19:31] Speaker 2: Sure, why not? You can say whatever you want. We
[19:34] Speaker 2: can say 10 extras if we want. Only three count.
[19:37] Speaker 3: The slam dunk point there, uh, for the Steelers is
[19:40] Speaker 3: Daniel Jones has had a turnover issue. It's, it's reared
[19:42] Speaker 3: its ugly head again. And that Steelers front will create
[19:44] Speaker 3: some turnovers after not getting after Deshaun Watson last week.
[19:47] Speaker 3: They will get it right. They will create turnovers. Yeah.
[19:50] Speaker 2: I like that.
[19:51] Speaker 1: You know which game I took a little bit of
[19:53] Speaker 1: a look at too was Miami again. You might get
[19:58] Speaker 1: Chase and not Higgins or vice versa. We're not really sure.
[20:02] Speaker 1: They're at home against the Bengals. Six and a half
[20:04] Speaker 1: feels like a lot to give the Bengals right now.
[20:05] Speaker 1: But I'm not making it.
[20:07] Speaker 3: That was a stay away for me because I was
[20:09] Speaker 3: going to go Bengals and then I was like, oh,
[20:10] Speaker 3: they're playing in Miami. And things get weird in Miami
[20:13] Speaker 3: this time of year, especially for a team that's still
[20:15] Speaker 3: trying to find a consistent rhythm, which is where I
[20:17] Speaker 3: think the Bengals are offensively right now. The other game
[20:20] Speaker 3: I had my eye on, Giants plus three and a
[20:23] Speaker 3: half at Washington.
[20:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you might go in that direction. It
[20:28] Speaker 1: almost feels like they're begging everyone to take the Giants
[20:30] Speaker 1: in that game. But Jaden Daniels on his way back.
[20:32] Speaker 1: We don't think Terry McLaurin is. Those are the type
[20:35] Speaker 1: of extra injury nuggets you get on this pick show.
[20:38] Speaker 1: In addition to some winners for week five. That's it
[20:42] Speaker 1: from Shook and I. That's it from NFL Daily for
[20:46] Speaker 1: the pre-week five slate of shows.
[20:48] Speaker 2: Next time. You will hear from us.
[20:50] Speaker 1: Nick Shook, myself, and Jordan Rodrigue will be recapping all
[20:54] Speaker 1: the Week 5 games. I cannot wait. It's a really
[20:58] Speaker 1: fun Sunday slate of games, including that one in Tottenham.
[21:01] Speaker 2: We'll see you then.

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